Depp v. Heard Trial Day 22 Morning - Johnny Depp and Shannon Curry Testify again. TMZ Ruling
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0:00 Welcome
25:10 Kate Moss Testimony - Direct
30:00 Dr Shannon Curry Testimony - Direct
1:17:15 Dr Shannon Curry Testimony - Cross-Examination
1:38:30 Dr Shannon Curry Testimony - ReDirect
1:40:00 Court Break & Questions
2:17:25 Johnny Depp Testimony - Direct
3:26:00 Q&A Time
3:44:50 TMZ Ruling On Motion To Intervene
4:04:00 Q&A Time Continued
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Kate Moss' testimony may have been quick but boy was it impactful. Not only did he NOT push her down the stairs, He rushed back when she screamed and carried her back to her room and got her medical attention.
Amen. His nature has been very caring and empathetic for more than 50 years.
“Any cross examination?”
“No your honor”
I cackled
I loved her testimony. Sooo good!
That's why Amber didn't want to cross examine. There's nothing more to say. Case closed. Kate is loved and respected by everyone and she only has good things to say about Johnny so that's why Amber's team wanted to shut it down quick.
Amen
Kate Moss, suddenly, appeared like an extraterrestial royalty on the screen. The moment she lifted her hand gave me goosebumps ...
I was fangirling her .... 🥰😍
She is exactly the sort of class act he deserves to have testifying for him.
Kate Moss is an angel. She's hot smart and classy. Something Amber will never be. That's why they didn't want to cross examine her and quickly brushed her away cause she is loved and respected by billions.
She has nice nails and a gorgeous voice, could listen to her all day long.
Dr. Curry didn’t just defend the case, she defended the use of psychology in law. Hughes is an embarrassment.
I’ve really learned a lot about forensic psychology and ptsd from her testimony.
Yes. Exactly this. I’m not a psychologist, but I am a treating therapist, and I’m so glad to have heard Dr. Curry defend and uphold fair and objective psychological measures and testimony in court.
@@EmeraldEyes3713 as-aQ/1zzxr ? Czf(BBC no lol b mom lmk
@@EmeraldEyes3713 you know what, you do the same job in my eyes!
Hughes was already an embarrassment. Dr. Curry simply just put it on the record.
Judge Azcarate is an incredible person, US marine corps veteran, and when she became a judge, she began pushing for help for veterans to have support when coming home, so that they don’t need to resort to non-violent misdemeanors or felonies.
Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge of Judge Azcarate's background. I find it very interesting and informative. I really respect how patient and consistent this jusge has been throughout this complicated and crazy case. I think she's made it possible for the attorneys to do their best to defend their clients, and their case. In EDB's words, she is "The Queen of Judges/Justice."
oh thank you for sharing. What a nice thing of her to do. She seems really calm and neutral as a judge.
Makes me love Judge even more! She's the best 🙌
Thank you for this information. I liked her before, however my respect has raised a lot.
That is so great to know! I liked her before, now I have more love, respect, admiration. Thank you for sharing that, she does make a difference
The most chilling thing about watching him on the stand was Amber’s reaction. She was glued to him. She could not take her eyes off of him when he was asked how this trial has made him feel. She was searching for her impact on him in every word. Still using him as a mirror to admire herself.
She’s so creepy 🤢
That was the first time I thought "finally, a genuine emotion on her face". This is the first time I thought she wasn't giving her actress face.
@@terribruin9662 and the look on her face gave me chills.
It was truly like she was getting off on his pain, and how extremely uncomfortable he was being there.
Omg! So true!!
When Johnny refers to “Miss Heard” the closed captions keep showing it as “Misery” it’s the most perfect mistake I’ve ever seen!
The captions have been hysterical "Mr. Duck", "Mr. Death", "Misheard", "Misery", "Ms Hurts", "File for divorce" becomes "Father Figure Horse" :D
Mine translates to Misheard. Which is also valid. Lol she misheard all the times Johnny said “get away from me!”
And she never gave him the respect of calling him Mr Depp
Gotta love the algorithm! 😂
@@CineSoar lol it's like a form of bad lip reading
Dr. Curry is a beast. She does not allow anyone to pull her into their pace or line of questioning. She remains calm and professional. She is honestly a very admirable person.
Wizard level!!!😁heeeeheee
She's an angel 😇
Yes! Fighting to keep Dr Speigel from Assessing Depp like this was the 2nd best win before trial for Depp's team. Ofcourse moving the trial to Va was the first big win. Can you imagine what Elaine would have had Speigel say about Depp? look at what he said without examining him! I feel bad for anyone Speigel examined for Elaine in prior litigation, I bet they had to settle after her experts claimed all the crap they did in this trial. Thank God Johnny had the money to hire great Attorneys to Expose The Things They Were Claiming to be such truths in their reports.
It just takes being honest. You see all the liars get tangled up and can't form proper sentences or keep a pace they get word salady...the honest people have a solid grasp because they know what they're talking about. There's no story to keep straight...loved so many of depps witnesses I think baruch has to be top and then the lovely house manager. I would watch this as a movie but it wouldn't be the same without thise genuine real people. It's been on of the best TV experiences apart from the horrible content and reality just to see those witnesses
"I miss it."
Johnny Depp is the kind of guy who'd have a dark-humored mock funeral for the tip of his finger to help get him through the trauma of losing it, and I would absolutely attend.
I think they took he's personality and dark humor out of context.....on purpose
@angelabowers4914 oh totally. One of his best friends is Tim Burton, ffs, he's part of the "Gothic Trio", obviously his humor is a little dark and twisted.
Kate moss sounds like what I imagine a pixie or fairy sounds like. Her voice sounds so soft and friendly. 🥺
She's a British treasure, we adore her...as she's a working-class girl done good...and lives very privately, which is to be revered when you're as famous as her...
Definitely some fae blood 😂
I thought she sounded British o.o
I can also picture someone dainty like her eating s-t on a rainy stairwell probably wearing high heels, because she is built to be blown away with the slightest breeze. Yet she us fierce enough to not let a friend be thrown under the bus.
I was a teenager in the 90s and we all heartbroken when her and Johnny split up . So glad to see her today ❤️
I'm sad when this will be over and I'll probably never hear Dr. Curry explain psychology to me again 😭😭😭
I’m a psych major and she’s so much better than 90% of my teachers AT LEAST 😭😭😭
She needs her own YT she makes psychology easier to understand just like Emily does with Law.
Yes. I feel like she has so much knowledge to share.
A great reason to rewatch these amazing streams
@@BooksRebound I laughed so hard because it’s TRUE. 🤣
When Dr. Curry says yes because I've never had a client that was homebound due to their own celebrity status. The look on Dennisons face is great. He seemed impressed with Dr. Currys ability to be that snarky without being unprofessional.
What hurts is knowing that even after Amber got done beating Johnny… gaslighting him….. mocking him.. screaming at him…
He went downstairs, and people who loved him for his work wanted a picture…
And through all his torment.
With a swollen puffy face.
He still smiled.
Genuinely. He smiled for them.
And let them have their moment while he quietly suffered.
I can’t stop tearing up. Just. I hate that. I hate it so much. I hate knowing how he feels. I hope he’s so happy now. I hope he’s happy for the rest of his life.
This trial sucked.
But I’m so happy he did it. He’s so brave and strong to be able to face her like that.
Amber’s smirk when Johnny is testifying says quite a lot in my opinion. Very strange behaviour for someone who couldn’t walk past him a few days ago. The longer this goes on the more the facade slips.
Duping delight.
Duping delight/narcissistic smirk
She's such a pure bully that when she sees somebody hurt by her actions she just can't help but celebrate.
Yep shes starting to slip big time. I think she knows shes lost in th3 court of public opinion and she wants to win in any other way she can, by being a cubt
She was mocking him all day yesterday, very disturbing with what he was saying. I hope the jury picked up on that, how she is staring is not how you stare at your abuser. At all.
All I can hear this entire trial…
Jim Carey: “OBJECTION YOUR HONOR!”
Judge: “What’s the reason, Mr. Reid?”
Jim Carey: “BECAUSE IT’S DEVASTATING TO MY CASE!”
Judge: “Overruled!”
Jim Carey: “GOOD CALL!”😂
😂🤣
You left out
Random bathroom observer: What are you doing??
Jim Carey: I’m kicking my ___, do you mind?
AH is NOT a victim, but tried to use contrivance to convince the legal court and the court of public opinion that she was.
JD shows so many physical cues I remember making myself before I got out of an DV relationship that had lasted 5 years.
He is a survivor of DV, but had to relive everything that happened, and listen to her try to misrepresent the facts, and fortunately fail spectacularly on a regular basis.
"OBJECTION! That was... objectionable!!"
I am perpetually shocked at how in the hell she is living in his home for free, her pals living in his homes for free, him taking her on extravagant excursions that she more than likely could not have otherwise afforded on her own yet she took it upon herself to mistreat and abuse this man! Then she is smiling in pictures with him. All to turn around and accuse HIM of abuse and sleep like a baby throughout. I am just flabbergasted by her. It boggles the mind how very twisted she is.
Yess, then claiming he was isolating her lol. Putting her entire freeloader gang around her is not that.
I'm shocked she keeps lying under oath her feet were 'sliced up" when there's minimal blood on the floor and the glass looks pretty much contained in that barstool area. There are zero areas that look like any sliding in blood. Heard just said a bunch of embellished crap before she saw Ben King's pics (peen casso too) then she had to keep contending & building on her lies. No slippery blood marks!
@@katty5003 especially as they ensured that JD would never ever have any expectations of privacy with all of these “friends” of hers having master keys. Seems as though JD was the isolated.
It is deeply upsetting and confusing. As Dr. Curry said, Amber is very unwell. I would feel bad for her if she didn't make everyone's life around her a living hell.
@@elliekaytea6710 is exactly. And they all claimed they never saw him be violent.all while continuously walking throughout all the apartments.
I’ve had to file a restraining order on someone before. In court during the hearing, I sat and listened to this person tell outright lies about nearly everything. I still think about the feeling I had sitting in court, hearing this absolutely made-up story about me. It’s so hard to process watching someone outright lie right in front of your face.
It really hit home for me when Johnny responded “insane” to the question about how he’s felt during this trial. It’s spot-on. It feels insane listening to made-up stories that you know for a fact are not true.
(In case you’re curious, I got that restraining order.)
I’m sad you went through that. But I’m happy you got your restraining order. I hope life is going exponentially better for you. I hope your life improves and you heal into a more beautiful version of yourself.
@@HaHaHannah1369 thank you Hannah. This happened a long time ago, and I very much have moved on and healed. But I so much related to Depp’s words.
So proud of you for going to court, making yourself vulnerable, not only to opening your privacy, but, to make the abuser accountable--and, ya, seeing lying in court is surreal.
Blessings, peace, strength & joy to you for each & every day.
His testimony was so powerful & the hurt, I felt that & the fact that he was able to tell the truth. Very moving. Hope the rest of his life is peaceful & the cancer is finally cut out.
I felt so uncomfortable seeing Amber smile constantly while JD was testifying. Not sure how someone who claims was terrified of him would be doing that.
i am completely on johnny's side, but we've seen him smile during amber's testimony as well. let's keep it fair.
@bina nocht Amen!!! Using insight and judgement is key to distinguishing the difference between the two.
@@_Solum he didn't even look at her. She stares and smiles, unlike him chuckling occasionally.
I still stay inside my house when I have to let my kids go with their Father (my abuser). I use to be stupid enough to talk to him because he asked the kids to get me/talk to me. I would stand so my neighbors could see me and had 911 pulled up on my phone. I am terrified and it's been 11 years since I left. I think other's in this situation would agree the fear no matter who is around is still real and it doesn't go away. I believe she is not telling the real truth!
Amber smirks/smiles without even realizing it - sociopath behaviors. She feels empowered or proud at the time of her smirk
Heard smiling and being smug is so not helping her. It’s pissing me off, so hopefully it’s pissing the jury off as well.
Hi Emily I’m from Saudi just stated following you an you are amazing Dee
Me too what as her and elaine laughing about really getting on my nerves so yes same as u hoping jury feels the same
Absolutely! She reminds me of a 7th grade middle school girl that constantly has the attitude/look of irritation with anyone that doesn't say or do exactly what they want. I am hoping the jury sees it. It really is a telling expression!
Seriously though, go back and look at her expression at the beginning of the trial. She had a permanent pouty face. Now she’s got some weird smirk…as if a juror told her they would take her side no matter what.
No matter the outcome if it does go in Amber's way and wins I will never trust a courtroom again her act all the way through as been so unbelievable if jury didn't see that and lie after lie all the witnesses to her are lies she's the only 1 telling the truth il be gobsmacked but 1 thing her life is downhill now she's lost a lot of friends and I cannot see any man wanting to be in a disturbing relationship and who wants to hire someone to work for them she is so mentally disturbed sorry my opinion and dont think I'm the only 1 thinking this
Depp saying that "no one is perfect, certainly not,'" you can instantly see the guilt and almost embarrassed look in his eyes. I believe when someone goes through a toxic relationship like that, it takes a lot of of you. Especially your confidence and you tend to find ways to still blame yourself for getting abused. It's all the gaslighting from the abuser and manipulator. Coming from someone who has personally gone through an abusive relationship. I feel for him. It's in his eyes. The truth.
Well said! I can relate
The Sneaky Shady underbelly of Elaine's team is evident in their TMZ Supponena. THEY ISSUED ONE TO TREMAINE!! Lol trying to keep him from Testifying WHY? How did they know to be so Afraid of Him? Why did they reduce themselves to this level in open in court for all to see? They KNEW he was devastating, They Knew he is Another (Morgan Night) witness who shows her lies so clearly. Did she tell them or did they deduce this from her being fearful? I would Love to know that conversation! Heard's ability to sit straight faced while her Outrageous Lies are Uncovered is funny. She must have learned to lie at a young age, she's very good at thinking everyone believes her. I think it proves she has gotten away with lying throughout her life...Pretending to be a victim is a normal constant. To sit & act like her lies are facts is unbelievable. Who could do that? Who could sit as if her lies are being believed this long and continue to do it after so many people say no that's not true! Even a kid would finally admit.
Watch Amber @2:19:00 She digs thru a folder, finds it hidden at the bottom, switched hands and puts it in her mouth right in front of Elaine!!!! As soon as Depp went on the stand, then Rottenborne objects & they go back up....Amber sneaks something in her mouth !!! It's plain as day, she had to have something when Johnny started his testimony. He makes her nervous or something!
That was one of the most jarring moments of the case for me. It just sounded so sad, raw, honest, and ashamed, I believed it without a moment of doubt. Even if I was on her side, that would have given me pause.
I love how Dr Curry talks to the jury, it's like your friend learned something new and is now telling what she found. Very friendly but on point.
The fact the defense didn't want to cross says a lot. Good on you Ms. Moss.
I don’t think they could cross…… they ran their time already. I am pretty sure.
they will cross after lunch.
they need the time
@@Violettero They still had some time but what were they going to say? I think Johnny actually got a little emotional after Kate testified. It says a lot that she was willing to do that.
I thought they didn’t have anymore time.
The judge looks like a mom trying to resolve fight between kids... patient on the outside, losing her mind in the inside
I just love her. I wonder if it’s inappropriate to send fan mail to a judge….lol!
She needs a long vacation after this case is done. I love her sense of humour.
She's needs more coffee...and maybe a muffin 🤣
@@veronicavatter6436 I can totally see her chugging a megapint of wine when this trial is over, and I wouldn't judge her for it.
Weird. Dr Curry didn’t need any notes to give testimony…
Weird. She knew all those numbers and tests off the top of her head. It’s almost like she’s a respectable doctor who cares and loves what she does.
Johnny started going to the childrens hospital more often, after he was so close to losing his daughter in 2007. But he was already going. Those videos of kids meeting him will pull at your heart
What was happening with his daughter?
@@hyates9653 she contracted E. Coli, which led to kidney failure and was in Grand Ormand Street Hospital in the UK for over a week when she was just 7 years old. Thank goodness for healthcare workers all over the world ❤️
@@1981lackadaisy I pray for her to be well
Johnny’s last statement on the stand was a powerful testimonial. He’s created a movement for men who have endured abuse from their S/O’s.
This. This is exactly why I'm following this case so closely. I've worked with domestic violence professionally for 15 years and the stigma surrounding men as victims is unreal
I want to be Dr. Curry when I grow up....aaaand I'm 40. She is amazing. No thwarting that woman, and her FACTS. We all see how this is going for Heard's team...not well.
I completely agree!
Dr Curry is the definition of a boss, she's eloquent, warm and likeable, and she presents information and uses science in an unbiased way, unlike Hughes etc. She had no idea how much she'd been paid by JD so far, because she's not in it for the money only the truth of the matter, unlike all of AH's experts who knew exactly how much they'd been paid (I truly hope it was paid and not pledged or they may never see it 😉 lol).
When they have to repeatedly resort to "but you went to dinner at his house" as their only response (something she never denied, only clarified), it shows how weak their response is. Is Elaine jealous, does she wish she'd been invited? Lol. They would honestly have been better off just not cross examining her and it would have done less damage. The jury have to be thinking the same as us, like "Jesus, they're clutching at straws". Also, picking at something like that, attempting to show her as unethical, considering the massively unprofessional witnesses they had in just Hughes and Spiegel (who's aggression and blustering is still pretty fresh in their mind)...that's an own goal to me, and it just reminds the jurors of their own witnesses failings.
I think everyone watching this trail wants to be Dr. Curry or Camille Vasquez when they grow up 😂
Dr. Curry represents the seriousness of forensics psycology. She is so spot on the diagnostics of Amber. Soooo professional.
The way AH looked at JD during his testimony was chilling.
It made me sick when she started making faces at him. Real life disrespect.
Yeah, as if she was intending to intimidate him. I used to be an emotionally immature asshole in my early twenties and I know that face. It’s the same face I would make when I was trying to make my partner feel insecure about whatever he was saying. It’s a face of pure contempt.
the judge making a joke to cheer up Johnny after his testimony was so endearing
i didn’t make that connection on my own but now that you say that i can see it. that really is so sweet
It wouldn't lead to bias in anyway ?
@@allmight8127 No. It's just human. The jury will decide the case, not the judge, remember??
Did JD testimony didn’t go well? I am to afraid to watch ,I started but I couldn’t take the way the judge aloud rottenman to speak to JD like he was a piece of shit like rottenman new girlfriend AH!! Rottenman seems like he’s getting a bit too close with AH , out of desperation maybe she went to his room ( because he doesn’t have a trailer ) naked ?
@@allmight8127 it’s a natural reaction to being uncomfortable or seeing an uncomfortable situation.
Obviously Miss CrossBoss Vasquez and Ben Chew have been highly regarded throughout the trial, but I am so impressed with the lady who does Johnny's direct examination, I believe her name is Myers (spelling?) Excuse me if I'm wrong. She has a very gentle voice and deals with Johnny with such patience. She was the perfect choice in my opinion. I think Chew could've come off as another powerful man helping his buddy buddy, and Camille had a commanding and strong presence. Myers is calm, gentle yet strong, and easy to listen to, seems to do her best to keep Johnny on track while still allowing him to tell his story. I really like her.
Jessica Meyers
yes she sounds like a mother or person who you can tell everything and she will not judge you. i think it helped JD partially to talk about thinks
Her energy matched JD’s..she did a masterful job with grace and professionalism…and she defended him during cross very well.
Elaine’s time wasting on ridiculously repetitive and irrelevant questions and her dithering around looking for her “ notes” etc..and claiming she is on a very strict timeline is ludicrous.
Yes she was the perfect choice. She sounds so caring and like she'd give the warmest hugs. Exactly what J.D. needed when re-living this terrible time period.
I'm rewatching both Heards and Depps testimonies and it struck me how different the energy is while watching. Heard has quite an "in your face" and fast paced energy, where Depp is calmer and more "sit back for story time". Your (or maybe chats) commentary on how calm the court room is after the hectic morning matches my own observation. Listening to Depp is to take a breath, almost meditate. Listening to Heard is to rush after your boss as they prattle on about scheduling and throwing documents at you. I'm sure if I can feel this thorugh the monitor, the jury felt this tenfold and it must've played some part in their deliberation, if subconcious.
Two Courts. This court, and the court of public opinion. He’s already won in the latter.
Agreed, however, does Amber receive any legal sanctions? Everything else seems she has lost her career of acting...
Absolutely!
@@RobertSantos-rw8dy that may be self inflicted damages
Yes ma'am 👏 🙌
Not even close. Amber has taken the lead after Depp looked really bad on the stand today. I asked all my friends and they agreed with me. I believe the courst of public opinion is now on Amber's side. People are just being bias. JusticeForAmber.
Johnny is such a private person this must be hell for him. His rebuttal is powerful and I believe him. He is the antithesis of narcissist. He maintains friendships even with ex partners who all have nothing but good to say about him. He is empathetic and caring not to mention generous to those around him. I believe him, simple as that. I hope so much, that he finds a happiness and peace.
Most of the employees that testified have been with him for years and that says something too.
Even powerful and rich people with personality disorders often have a a hard time maintaining subordinates. They will always find more…but well-qualified people will often move on after a certain amount time because they can find somewhere that they are treated better or the person with PD fired them in a rage over something relatively innocuous.
They mentioned that histrionic people often treat their subordinates poorly…but I think that most Cluster B people do as well.
It was him that pushed for televised trial and we all know it is expose her BS
@@Pagingnursejackie he had to since heard FORCED him too. He literally stated he wanted to keep this quiet.
Bringing him in now was genius. In my opinion, part of this was purely to show Amber’s true colors while he’s on the stand. She’s giggling, smirking, and staring. What part of that screams “PTSD” or “victim”? She let her “mask” slip and fall all the way off during the start of rebuttal. If we are noticing how she’s acting, the jury is too. She did herself in.
"Notice how calm the courtroom is right now?" Good observation Emily. It seems to be the Depp effect. The calm and measured way he narrates does have an influence on those listening. Thanks for your professional and insightful commentary.
I hope Johnny's testimony talking kindly about Whitney is like a punch to the gut for her. He was nothing but kind and giving to her!! And even after her taking the stand against him, he still has kind words for her. Heartbreaking.
Elaine: “You agree it’s important to use valid & reliable measures for an accurate diagnosis, correct?”
Hmmm… let’s think back…
Curry: spent 12 hours with Amber & administered a bunch of appropriate tests ✅
Spiegel: never evaluated Johnny himself, used movies & tv shows & other reporting to form his opinion of Johnny ❌
Spiegel looked like he was on a 3-day bender. Dude was insane.
In ambers defence 12 hours isn't long .....
Still 12 more then hughs and spiegal spent with the two of them
@@allmight8127 yeah it wasn’t the fact that she spent 12 hours but that she spent 12 hours in person vs reading a report and watching movies
@@allmight8127 to evaluate someone it’s pretty normal. I’ve had even more comprehensive testing (a neuropsych eval when I was 11) and it took just a few days. It’s not just the tests that drive the diagnoses. It’s the whole medical and family history too.
@@karat-s7330 you said bender🤣🤣🤣🤣 lord i can't. To funny
So powerful Johnny’s feelings about this sad events before lunch . I cried!
I WAS an emotional abuser to my dear former husband. He tried everything to make me happy nothing worked! I have had extensive therapy and DBT therapy for my BPD! I am now recovered from that hopeless state of being. This just reminds me of the damage I caused. I will be forever vigilant to not demonstrate that old sick behavior! Healing does begin in admittance and surrender to the knowledge of my sickness.
I pray Johnny gets justice but like he said he spoke his truth that is enough!
Wow thank you for your comment! It's not that often that many people can admit their flaws and mistakes! Nice work, I'm glad you can say it.. that takes courage! And when you accept it, you're just one step closer to your healing process!!!
I'm so proud of you
BPD is very hard to deal with. I admire and congratulate you for seeking treatment and putting in the hard work of taking responsibility for one’s actions. Healing from ABANDONMENT ISSUES is especially difficult, I wish you the best. I hope your ex husband is able to forgive you.
You're so strong for coming this far, thank you for sharing!
This is late, but I just wanted to say I was a GOSH (Great ormand street hospital for children) baby. Meaning I got treatment for a chronic illness from their doctors and nurses. Once or twice during my admissions, JD would visit in full Jack Sparrow costume and makeup to visit a few of the different wards. While his own daughter was receiving treatment there too. GOSH is really close to his heart so the fact he gave the benefit money to them makes a lot of sense. I also knew this going into the trial, so I may have been biased. But my standpoint has always been "He may have been a bad husband, or just overall a little toxic. But never to the extent she is claiming. Because a man who has gone though his own child being an inpatient in a hospital and stayed with them, does not have enough space in his heart to hate on that level.
Ambers face at the 3hr mark says everything. That woman has no fear of him and she is getting off hearing how she hit everyone. Downright sickening.
Speaking late but AH seems to be very bothered by the testimony. Brings truth hurts to mind.
She sees whiney and JD as subordinate to her.
@@Chenoashouse totally agree, she looks smug, almost like she's enjoying recalling the abuse she inflicted on them. Stomach churning grin. 🤮
@@Chenoashouse her face when Kate started to speak tho
Seemed like duping delight, her enjoying the recollection of the abuse she perpretated on him...🤷♀️
I love how the lawyer low-key gushed over Kate Moss when thanking her lol and also how Amber's lawyers had zero follow up questions. "Silence can be louder than words"
The were scared of Queen Kate lol ... Chew was so cute and respectful
In their defense, I don't even know what they'd say.
Kate: he didn't push me, I fell.
Amber's lawyers: u sure?
I'm a Gold Star Sister and let me tell you we need about 50,000 more Dr. Curry's. I am so touched by her testimony talking about PTSD. She says the whole thing. PTSD is debilitating. We have days we feel like we can't move replaying a bad scene over and over. The officers on the doorstep. There are no Galas. Can hardly go shopping.
Dr. Curry knows us. I bet there are a ton of PTSD sufferers who want to make an appt with her. Even all the way in Hawaii. She seems so credible
I’m glad people like Dr. Curry exist. You can tell by the way she speaks that she truly cares about properly diagnosing patients. She’s most likely helped so many people get the correct treatment for their mental health, she’s a treasure!
I’m a big fan of Dr. Curry - she seems professional, honest and decent. Exactly what you want from a mental health professional.
Yes, she is! I am so happy to have someone like her representing mental health professionals in this case. As a psychologist myself, I always feel personally attacked when people like Dr. spiegel or Dr. Hughes speak publicly in those horrible ways
Mr. Depp calls Kate Moss to the stand … OMG my 90’s teenager heart is dying! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ also the way Johnny smiled when Kate was on 💜💜💜💜
It just shows how important it is to be nice to people and treat them kindly. It's so heartwarming to see her come forward and testify in his favor after all these years.
In describing Amber's approach to all the tests and how she tried to guess at the purpose of the questions so she could minimise her own problems/role in them, Dr Curry explained to the jury Amber's behaviour on the stand. Amber literally said "I don't understand the question" multiple times when the question was simple but she couldn't work out where Camille was going with the question.
Dr Curry, is a double threat girl. Has Brains and Beauty. What a professional.
Dr Curry is hot! 😍😚😘
I just love Kate Moss. Her voice is just magic to the ears.
Agree Lea, her voice is ethereal.
I did not expect her voice to sound like that. I thought it would be deeper or more affected by her smoking habit. It’s so soft and gentle sounding.
She’s still a beautiful fairy elf. ❤️sigh 💕
@@Bekind94 And those cheekbones! He likes a woman with good cheekbones 😉
Damn! That brought me to tears. You can feel Johnny's pain. How horrible it has been for him. And Amber sits there smirking and smiling like it's funny. How cruel can a person be.
She is creepy as hell!
Hugs to Johnny
She just doesn’t get it. We can all see her. The whole world.
That look on her face, the smile as he is describing cruel things she does, says it all.
Thank you Johnny for telling your story. It will have far more reaching impact than just your own personal situation.
All AH smirks, her disguised amusements, her scorn, contempt, her covered smiles, have certainly been consistent. They are consistently appearing (& have since the first week) when JD has being embarrassed, upset, humiliated in some way. Basically when he is in pain. They are the instances when she stares with such avidity. She is still watching to see whether she causes him pain. She still revels in it. Whilst JD has found moments amusing, those moments have been at mutually humorous times (to the whole court). When the whole court has laughed at absurd statements.
JD's testimony felt real and brutally honest. So much so that it brought forth my own pain caused by DV and SA. It brought tears to my eyes. I felt his despair and anguish over the loss, not just the defamation.
Yes .. that's exactly what happened to me (25 years in an abusive marriage) ...the 'rant' description the abusive words and the knowledge that they are willing to say anything to get their way.. put me off going to court for rape and violence !!
It made me tear up too! It felt very real. And I feel sad for him that he’s surrounded by people who take advantage of him.
Ooooohhh
I was talking to my friend / neighbor last night. we are women of a certain age who often walk our dogs together in the evening, I was confessing to her that I hadn’t gotten anything done, housework wise, because I was watching the herad depp trial.
“ not live but through a UA-cam channel”
she asked “which one” and surprise !!!
we’re both watching you !!!
It’s fun to have a shared interest. And so very important to have connections when one is older and can be alone too much.
Ashamed to admit I was physically and verbally abused by my dad. He inflicted hell on myself my brother's and my mum. As an adult I then became a semi abuser by being verbal and destructive the only behaviour I knew and fearing abandonment so would jeopodise my relationships.
So I am cringing inside at what has been revealed about Amber's behaviour it's like deja vu and reliving my earlier life.
She is 100% manipulating the circumstances and her insecurities that she carries with her
I know it's been a couple weeks, but I want to thank you for sharing this. It can't be easy, but it's valuable, and brave. It sounds like you've come a long way from that version of you, and you deserve to be proud of that. Breaking the cycle of abuse is incredibly hard, but always worth doing.
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I agree with TN. I hope that you are getting the help that you need. It is very brave to admit to continuing the destructive patterns that you grew up with. I do not think you should be ashamed. We all do things we are not proud of. I think it is in fact admirable that you are owning up to them and seeking to find a better path. All the very best to you.
Elaine's general tone and her talking down to everyone of Johnny's witnesses is also a big part of why they were the big losers. When you watch this a second time and certainly that whole 'Amica' cream it is actually very, very funny. 🤣😂🤯
Umbridge is an idiot. Mocked the true victim twice and did talk down to everyone! I truly couldn't stand listening to her. Closing statement was just brutal, yelling at the jury, talking down to the jury, and belittling Johnny. Wasn't speaking facts like Camille was, she was speaking her opinions. Mis stated malice, witness statements, and brought the UK trial into it. Just disgusting.
@@sekichdawn3913 then consider how as a lawyer she did basically lie.
Then she went on a media tour on behalf of her client.
And now I believe said client is suing her (or one of her insurance companies is suing her) over I believe money and)or pushing other lawyers out?
when you mention how calm the court is when JD is testifying, I also noticed that. I have a feeling that for all the craziness in his life and that swirls around him that he is, at his core, a pretty quiet, contemplative person and I've always found those people to exude a feeling of calm.
I feel that if Dr Curry had a podcast, I would be playing it as my background noise when I am working. She speaks so well and with a soothing tone. Also I feel it might be inspirational for me because she is provides details but it doesn't feel too detailed, which is something I want to be able to do
Depp mada me cry. He made me cry talking about children's hospitals and make a wish kids. And at the end my heart broke for him. I think he still has love for her sister that's why she had a very short cross from his team and he addressed issues in his testimony.
Yes and no. During depositions for Whitney, her team played many tricks. His team indicated in filings what occurred and if she is to testify it needs to be specifically limited as a result or the Court would have to allow his team to fully depose her first.
I cried at the end of his testimony. I didn’t shed a tear during Amber’s . I trust my gut…
I just want to say. Coming from a mental health professional who has extensive involvements in the courts systems, I would say the very best attorneys I have ever worked with have ADHD. Their quick fire brains are amazing!
My favourite line “Your lack of planning is not my crisis” I’ve needed it lots!
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Time stamp?
Anyone who’s been bullied or picked on knows the moment Jonny is talking about at 3:25:42. Been there, I’m a grown man and started to tear up in this moment. 😢 Much love. ❤️🤘
Much love to you 🥰
I'm so sorry you've experienced that, thank you for sharing with us
Kismet, really hope you are OK now, I had some bullying in highschool too but was too thick to realise until later, which was fortunate really and I'm kind of tough so lucky for me I got over it as I realised that what they thought and said doesn't matter. My main thing in life is I try to treat others as I'd like to be treated myself. There is always karma, take care of yourself please.
I come back here often just to listen to Dr Curry's lecture on mental health tests, there implications and results, the good, the bad and the ugly. I so wish I could have her as therapist👵😍
I can't stand Amber's smug look on her face. That smirk on her face during JD's testimony was disgusting.
That’s the word I chose too. She’s gloating.
why is Amber heard smiling when johnny depp is talking about his trauma? is she enjoying this in front of us all? :)
Prolly because she is not a good person 😔
its call dupping delight.
That made me sick.
Shes a narcist and they enjoy bringing the other person down they are vengeful for ever if you leave them
Because she is crazy. Insane and honestly I think she believes her lies , remember she wants to be like annajolie , maybe she thinks this court case will make her famous! Honestly … I hope the heck not… gross
I seriously believe that AH is using past traumas and making them current to make JD look bad and herself victims I love Dr. Curry! I am a mental health professional and she is so right on
I think she’s using what SHE did to HIM. She cut off his finger with a bottle, suddenly she was raped with one. SHE 💩 on his bed, suddenly he was incontinent, AND she cleaned up his 💩. She beats on him, he supposedly beats in her. I think she’s projecting. Reminds me of Lori Vallow, who assisted in her husbands murder for $ then said he and her brother were trying to kill HER for HER insurance $.
Yeah that’s my best guess too and that they had some toxic re-enactment
I think Amber is just a narcissist, and she Genuinely believes her lies are real. I really hope she seeks help after this.
Emily may have answered this before (so sorry if I missed it!) but why weren’t we able to see the testing results during Dr. Curry’s testimony?
It’s been insinuated that she was a stripper in her youth; she might have been assaulted in that employment situation.
The end of hjs Testimony today... It was PALPABLE, you could FEEL IT. I literally held my breath and just sat in his words.
I am in tears at the end of Johnny’s testimony because I could feel his pain. 😥😢😭😭😭 I also am experiencing the same with the legal battle with my psycho narcissist ex husband so I understand and feel it on a whole other deeper level. Plus I’m an empath. Johnny Depp has won in my eye. He uncovered the truth for the world and to finally put this behind him and be at peace. 🙏❤️🦋
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Sending hugs your way. We will keep u in our prayers that you have strength during the process of court. I too completely understand what u have dealt with, are dealing with and going through with court as well. ❤
@@cyokofich79 Thank you! 🙏🥰
I'm so sorry you had to deal with npd with ur ex. My mom has bpd and npd so i completely understand the hell of having to deal with these people.
@@laurab1057 So true. Thank you 🙏🥰
Why is Heards team so concerned with this TMZ Guy if she DIDNT give it to them?! You’d think if she were innocent… they could care less who he says leaked it….
Update: its inescapable that TMZ got the copyright directly from the source. And the source is [insert] 😑. One wonders whether AH's attorneys knew this ?? Gosh if they did...what a slimy bunch ?! Maybe why JD was bit more snappy than usual towards Rottenborn today. JD has lost all respect for them as any kind of a professional 🤨😐😐
On the one hand I can see their point in so much they have to be seen to attempt to block their sources being revealed because otherwise they risk sources not coming to them in he future. And also to protect themselves against the actualsource as they may have had an NDA with them and are worried about being sued. So part of it is for show, in that sense of getting their objections on record. Of course they really don't want someone spilling their secrets either. The other side of it is that they claimed the guy had no direct knowledge personally because he'd already left, so he shouldn't be allowed to give testimony on a subject he doesn't know...which is none of TMZ's concern really, if he chooses to take the stand and speculate that is up to AH's side to shut down.
As you point out though, and was highlighted when Emily looked at the emergency motion on Tuesday, the wording of it almost makes it sound like they're objecting because it'll reveal that AH is the source. And honestly, AH's side have to think we & the jury are stupid because if she recorded it on her ipad and the ipad remained in her position, and the only one who can sign over copyright is the owner of the footage...it has to have come from her. Now whether there was a step in between is possible. But then her own team should have had her state "I sent it to a few people, idk what happened to it after that" and the fact they didn't do that is telling thatshe didn't do that. So yeah, the only conclusion could really be that AH was responsible for selling it to them (whether through her publicist or friend remains pretty irrelevant I think).
Of course, it's really background noise I think. Yes, it's important in one sense that it establishes her campaign against him and painting this false narrative about him, but when it comes down to it, it doesn't have baring on the defamation...though that along with the claim she didn't alert the press about the tro... I guess it helps show a pattern of her lying about things under oath.
She clearly likes to word play semantics though, as we saw through the pledge vs donate thing. Remember in the deposition she said about " TMZ were alerted" and then realised what she'd said and brought her hands up to her face. So she plays a game of attempted plausible deniability and says "I didn't tell TMZ" and "I didn't give it to them" but she likely is well aware that she did give it to someone to give to them (or maybe did it in a way so it was indirect some how, eg using a digital drop box or something), she can still claim she's not lying because she didn't personally hand it to them. That seems to me what she was doing 🤷.
Of course, I'm writing this after the testimony has likely occurred already but I've not yet watched it.
@@kimdaisies2660 Frankly TMZ seem amateurish for copyrighting anything from a leaked confidential source. Particularly something they know is illegally obtained as the video contains one party discovering the recording and being upset…so obviously didn’t consent in a 2 party consent state.
The literally might as well have said, we all know it was AH but we don't want it to proved so like can you not? 🙄
Action speak louder then the speech itself. AH lawyer seem to know about the leaked video and information was bad for them. Thats why they so adamantly wanted to object it like how they did objection in the whole court time.
Putting Johnny on the stand again is a genius move, they would have known she’d insist on needing to counter whatever he said.
The interview and dinner questioning just slays me! Dr Curry was being interviewed/working and Johnny sent out for food. They did not have a dinner party!
The way Elaine has attempted to frame it she might as well have been having dinner alone with JD in his room while they plan what she will say and confirms she will say Borderline Personality Disorder as she is handed a huge check 😂
How Johnny described Whitney showed how much he cared for her and felt her pain.
Johnny had me crying in my car while on my way back to the office with his testimony.
if what he is describing is in any way false then truly he is a greatest actor that was ever born.
Life in itself is hard enough and I truly hope that one day at least where it comes to mental illness that we will find a way to treat the sections of our population that are suffering from it in a more comprehensive manner so we can get to the point whereby this type and level of suffering that he faced and so many of us in the comments have faced can come to an end.
Yes to all of this.
Thanks to family Baker for lending us your mom/wife. We LOVE her!!
The judge really said “tell me about it” 😂😂 I’m also so glad she called Elaine out on her bullshit ! I’ve loved every second of the judge putting her in check !
Exactly at the beginning of the trial I felt bad for Elaine but not anymore one dr that was brought in on Heards side was told to lie he even asked is there anything I don’t want me to say Elaine said No and the microphones were
Still on
The way Johnny was smiling after Kate’s testimony 🥹 it was like it made him happy to see an old friend 🥹❤️
I imagine both still care for one another. Obviously she wouldn't testify.
I felt like he got emotional. He took off his glasses while talking with Mr. Chew and kind of seemed a little teary.
I judge a man by the relationship with his exes. Johnny is still good friends with his. Speaks volumes about his character.
@@staceyboomboom8031 yes, how they treat their exes, as well as their sisters and their mothers is very telling. And it sounds like johnny treated all of the women in his life with great love and respect.
Johnny’s testimony made cry, I’m not easy for someone to make me cry. I could sense the pain he was going through. He sounded genuinely hurt.
Dr. Curry : "we treat anything self reported as hearsay when doing our evaluations and needs other evidence to confirm."
I went back and watched the whole muffin fiasco and OMG… she would not let that go! That and the whole “dinner and drinks with Mr. Depp” like come on Elaine! Dr. Curry explained it multiple times and Elaine kept digging her heels in insisting they had this elaborate dinner party and that Dr. Curry and her husband were so excited about Amber being there that they brought muffins! It’s not like Dr. Curry explained that she does this ALL THE TIME ELAINE!! Ughhh that frustrated me to no end!!
I just heard the voice that you said ALL THE TIME ELAINE and I cracked up laughing, they really are concentrating on the wrong things. Reminds me of all the American movies when people are stuck at work, order Chinese food and eat egg rolls out of the boxes. Just one question, why is it that is all American movies where everyone has huge houses the guests always end up sleeping on the couch?
They wasted so much of their time on that. They could have spent that time elsewhere
@@bzleo2003 100%. It was just bizarre that they tried to twist it into something it wasn’t. Like, anyone with common sense could see that what Elaine was saying was bull. It was like straight out of a movie scene in a court where the layer asks questions and won’t let the witness finish answering so their answer sounds worse than it is.
Elaine was frothing at the mouth to get back up here to continue this argument I’m dying. This is such a waste of her time and I’m here for it. Like girl pick your battles 😭
Judge Penney is not getting enough credit! She's amazing. She's kept things moving, been fair to both sides, and is assertive, but not dismissive or nasty. She knows this case has the world captivated, but she's keeping it professional and impartial. I really like her!
His testimony sounds genuine, unlike Amber's bad acting testimony.
@Tim M
*turns away from johnny*
‘Johnny you hit me
you just hit me ☹️’
@@Sukkulents_ I didn't punch thee. I merely hit thee.
Agreed and he sounds and looks beat today!
Agree.
I just sat there looking at the dirty carpet
This entire case just reminds me …
“ What’s done in the dark will come to light”
That’s a great quote Tamra
As it pertains to the Dugger trial,I bet this will be also true. It being held not televised, means we won't know the details until its over. Mixed with the rumors and stories we were told up to the trial...just need that virdict.
@@tammyelizabeth5157 that trial is very disturbing. I hope justice prevails!
I was never a particular Johnny Depp fan in the past and came because I was curious and could share it with this community. Depp's testimony brought me to tears with literal goosebumps. Seeing the dynamics in the court room is fascinating and Depp's team is beautiful choreography. Thank you Emily❤️
“It’s inconsistent with the ethics” is the new way of telling someone they fucked up
He truly looked to me as thou he was reliving the whole experience there was a few times he really looked upset.
I agree with you as a survivor who has ptsd I could see he was right back in that moment reliving it also his body was turteling hunch up trying to protect himself and only brought his head up when he was answering
@@hilaryklyn2223 you can read every emotion from him, and when they showed her she had a really sick crazy grin on her face, it was like watching a maniac with a twisted mind.
ED.B: "Did Depp's testimony make you feel?"
It made me tear up. I didn't expect that. But his attitude/demeanor was serious, there was nothing overcooked, nothing akward or crafty shining through. There was the man, his words and silence. And it hit! ...
And not just that, but he obviously really didn't want to have to talk about those things until she put him in a position where he had to speak up with the truth. Like he had trouble at first simply saying she hit him and gave him the black eye. I can't tell if part of him is still trying to protect her or if he feels he should be ashamed by the way she treated hi (because thatxs what she'd told him for years). But either way, he took no delight in telling the truth of what she did to him...unlike her when she practically relished sharing every single fabricated detail.
@@hawkeyescoffee6399 NAILED. IT!!
And he look like a mafia boss. U could still feel his feeling from his words.
It makes me furious that a person like Heard would fake this. Abuse. But it doesn’t mean I wouldn’t believe other women and victims of IPV. What it should do is make us pay closer attention to abuse. And be mindful that women and men can be victims.
You'd be surprised. Another actor's wife wanted to do the same thing when he initiated divorce proceedings. He recorded her making her DV threats and he went to the press to out her. This happens alot and some men will pay instead of fight it out in court.
It took years to convince my son what was happening to him. They build their relationship on a romantic fairytale that the abused person wants to believe in so bad they hang onto it for dear life. Thank God she's his ex now.
@@alwayslernin4400 i’m glad your son is better now, i’m sorry he went through that and you as a parent had to see your son getting treated that way
@@taylorsversion6927 thank you, it's all good now. Once you've been through it it can never happen again, it's too easy to recognize. Always pay attention to how people treat others, it's very telling.
I think his helping her get Aq man part is also related to her "damages".
Amber says she would have been in all of these big movies, series, and endorsement deals if not for the WALDMAN statements.
He helped her get the part by giving his recommendation.
After his nightmare of a relationship with Amber he wanted to withdraw his recommendation.
He didn't want to be attached to any decision in her favor.
Ugh, heart ripped out when JD took the stand.. Rottenborn and him are gonna have a tiff when we get back, you can tell..
Facts! They need to both put a pair of boxing gloves on, and have a physical conversation! 😅
Tiff?
@@lukaseldenrust2637 british slang for a light argument
@@lukaseldenrust2637 Tiff is a disagreement or fight (common term here in Canada).
@@debbielockhart7762 very rare in the maritimes from my experience
Heard never smirked before when anyone testified against her, including Johnny.
She’s changed her tactic from acting sad ☹️ about everything she hears, to seeming smug 😏
She's given up appearances
Or being provocative.
She has either stopped trying orrrr she has (or believes she has) a way to win this
I never knew what criteria my therapist used to diagnose PTSD, I never would have thought it of myself. I work in the medical field, but not in the area of mental health. Thank you to Dr. Curry for the explanation, I am in a better place and I can now understand and appreciate the expertise involved in diagnosing and treating PTSD. I am so glad Dr. Curry works with our armed forces because they need her expertise, as do their families.
Dr Hughes should, at the very least, be sanctioned for her behavior in this trial. Why anyone would ever use her as expert witness after her actions in this case is beyond me.
Oh her cases for trials should be revisited for sure. Imagine representing someone where Hughes' report was used against you! Elaine uses these "Experts" and their reports to get opposing counsel to fold & settle. It's very revealing and I hope the Travelers v Marine Trial Exposes what Elaine & these Experts have done. Their pattern of manipulation should be shown to the world.
It was very telling to me that AH team used experts that they had used more than once in the past. It came off to me that Elaine and her practice have a go to list of experts and that didn't work out well for them. I can't believe seeing how the so called experts behaved and testified in this trial that they are good experts to have testify at all. I just can't make myself believe that Hughes, Spiegel, the hashtag guy just to name a few were great trial experts seeing how big of a grumpy they left in the bed during this trial.
Of you sort the comments under this video by newest, someone else commented about how she represented a woman on dateline years ago who drove her male partner to .... Well. Not exist. And defended that.
She's some insane level of weird over the top feminism - the kind that isn't about equality at all.
@Lindon Martingale it's honestly horrifying, as if any man tried to be s men's rights activist in roles like hers, they'd be labelled all kinds of horrid things. She's a danger to men and women, the way she not only thinks but influences legal proceedings.
The moral of the story. In today’s world be very very careful who you get involved with.
Mr Depp looks broken like my son did when he left his damaged wife.🇬🇧😔
Took us over a year to find my daughter I mean emotionally after she left her very abusive partner. She was only 52kg when she finally left it was awful as a parent . Some people drink , she lost weight
I had tears when Johnny testified today. I feel so bad for what Johnny has had to deal with the past 6 years. He sounded very sincere and honest.. I couldn’t bare AH’s smirking. I hope Whitney feels guilty for lying for AH.
She definitely lied, I believe Jennifer Howes letter to her that they couldn't discuss
Not just the last six where he's lived with her accusations, but the previous six years where he had to put up with her emotional and physical abuse. It breaks my heart what he's been through.
Dr Curry was just so chill and it annoyed the fuck out of Elaine.
Just started the replay. I’m in Texas with a 2nd grader. I homeschool her and have been contemplating sending her back to public school. Yesterday for sure is pushing me to keep homeschooling 😭
I'm in Ohio and homeschool my 3rd grader. This is a battle I face each year but yesterday's incident has prompted me to not even consider going to brick and mortar next year.
Mainer that has homeschooled my kiddo from 5th-8th grade. Yesterday I had gone to the high school to pick up a registration packet as he wishes to return to public school. I heard the news when I got back home and my heart sank into my stomach. My kiddo has been so excited to return to public school and I (like most parents these days) have immense anxiety about public schools.
My heart goes out to all parents, it’s horrifying that this is reality.
Regardless of the outcome of this trial the world now has both sides of the story and let’s be honest this may really be the tru motive here “if your gonna slander my name than so be it, regardless of the humiliation of reliving these situations, you are also going to be seen in your true light” win win for JD. Now the world can form their own informed opinion. I think we all see the reality layers and layers of reality.
This defs this.... both sides should be told and known befor judgement is made ....
Now if only we can tell ambers experts this 🙊
Well put!
Dr Curry triggered me and almost made me cry about PTSD and how people with it are less ambitious or motivated. I have been fighting ptsd and want to be normal. She pulled my card and I wasn’t ready. 🥺 my assignments for therapy are to ask for help or go somewhere with a friend. I hate these assignments because I’m always afraid people will see what’s wrong with me. Meanwhile Ambers just partying at Coachella 😒I told my pastors wife I feel cursed. I don’t wish depression or ptsd or any of my experience on anyone.
You just made friends with a pretty great group of law nerds, and I’m sure we’ll see you at the next live stream. ♥️ Don’t give up.
JD's testimony was heartbreaking. That felt raw and real and I 200% believe him.
The last 6 weeks are a distraction from the horrors of the world and is really rewarding having your comments during the hearing. Thanks from the bottom of my ❤️!