The Witness IS NOT who you Think they are / Final Shape / Destiny 2
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The Book of unveiling is one of the most interesting and polarizing lore books in all of destiny. I find beauty in many ways people have decoded this book. That being said I will offer a different interpretation then other's have provided.
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hit the nail on the head dude. It frustrates me to no end when people just say the story was rewritten or retconned when these characters are still wholly consistent with how they were initially set up in shadowkeep. This video is absolutely amazing, and something I wish I put together myself months ago. great job
Thank you so much! This has been my thought since that cutscene came out and I’ve been saying it on TikTok for months but wanted to make a better and more indepth video over here as I build up my you tube page
its been rerconned hard since before d1 launched.
@@r3mxd nothing in destiny has been retconned
@@r3mxd well no shit. shadowkeep is the first time they decided to actually stick to something and not be vague as hell. doesn't mean that old lore is out the window. traveler 3 is still very relevant for the witness, as is a bunch of old lore.
however you interpreted the many vaguely connected darkness lore tabs doesn't mean that it was ever gonna line up with what you thought the darkness was. It would only be retconned if the old lore didn't work/matter in modern lore. but it does. They're quite literally all still relevant.
This is fantastic. It always stood out to me that some of the very first facts we learned about the witness included confirmation from multiple sources that the witness *is not the darkness*, and your theory really fleshes that out. I also love how it frames the witness as a literal (lol) tool, while I feel they'd probably like to think of themselves as the all powerful entity welding the tool.
Savathun said in altars of reflection that "The Witness will be the Darkness' teeth" . Keep in mind that this is Savathun we're talking about and to take it with a grain of salt. I'd like to believe there is a little bit of truth to all the altar dialog by Savathun.
Like "the taken king will rise again". Which would be true had the lucent hive succeeded in the ghost of the Deep dungeon
@@CrimsonSteelMoonTheWolf64 There are a few more potential interpretations of that prophecy. Oryx hedged his existence in 2 ways: He left behind his power in the books of sorrow and the touch of malice so that who ever defeated him would inherit his knowledge, understanding and power. He would live on because who ever killed him would simply become a more perfect version of him. His empty throne was left for who ever killed him and understood him enough to replace him and that was Eris Morn until she turned against the sword logic and abandoned her claim. Even Savathun and Xivu wanted Eris as a new sister to fill the void left by Oryx death.
Second is his proclamation "should I fail then let me be worm food". His body is comatose and heartless but still biologically alive and his Worm is missing, it could have inherited everything he was and become the new Taken king.
@@simonwahlen7150 it will certainly be interesting to see what ends up happening.
I never understood people who thought the witness was the Winnower. I’ve always thought the witness was just someone who witnessed something that transpired between the Gardner and the Winnower and for whatever reason sided with the Winnower.
The more we’ve learned about the witness though the less I’m sure the Witness and Winnower are on the same team. They share similar ideas and goals but idk
This makes me really happy, because I’ve been extremely disappointed with the current state of the darkness away from that almost lovecraftian presence. But I had no idea about this about this deeper lore. Kinda brings back that magic.
Savathun even states that the witness is not THE personification of the darkness, but rather wears it like a cloak. Combine that with the logs from veil containments, its fair to believe the witness is basically just a collective being who serves the darkness/winnower as its knife to correct the universe, the voice in the darkness is still an enigma in the lore as its not the witness (I believe it probably IS the veil since its an entity that is closely interlinked with consciousness). The witness is millions of beings in one body that uses the darkness, guardians are millions of individuals wielding the light. I think bungie did a good job with the writing.
Ye, tho I'm pretty sure in the cutscene "The Universe makes us all victims and perpetrators of it's infinite cruelty..", by "us" he/they(xD) didn't mean Themselves as a race, but rather every being in the universe, taking part in the show - including the Guardians, the Vex...
Also, I imagine one of the 6 beings in the garden, called the "worms", whoever wrote it didn't mean the sand worm centipede (as suggested in the video), but the hive Worms of the Fundament..? Or whatever were they called. Since they played a significant 'puppeteer' in the whole development of the Hive, and the universe-contract magic stuff.
That would also make sense from the "winnower - blade" relation perspective.
The game described is simply Conway's game of life - a simulation of simple cellular automata.
First video of yours that I've encountered. Wow! Impressive style and points you've laid out. I'll certainly be back for more.
I didnt even realise that people didnt see it this way 😮Im fairly confident in this theory.
Solid theory. I'm inclined to embrace it into my own understanding. Great job.
There's a case you could make for our Guardian being the Knife, given that everyone seems to wield us to do their dirty business.
No bcuz we are last in the travelers manifests. One was light weapons wield by the enemy of Hive before they became powerful, no light was given unto the race, only weapons. Ghosts made us unkillable GUARDIANS of the light which were made at the traveler last moments before being captive...I think by the Vex version of Veil. The stranger visits us to promptly strike the heart blocking the traveler
Excellent video sticky! 🎉 🪳🫡
Thanks man that was a top notch listen.
I dont think the veil is the winnower. In one of the veil logs maya said her voice whispered to her telling her to call the paracausal entity "the veil" could be stretching here but the veil could only be a cover or some type of barrier to show what or who the winnower truly is. Its in the name.
The veil is the black fleet and the witness. The winnower is the darkness.. if the light made guardians, the darkness made the witness. Ones bread from chaos (guardians) and one bread from control (the witness)... Pretty much the darkness granted these weirdos power because they wanted it, the traveler gives power to those that did not ask but deserves it. The veil was just a bunch of dark guardians that got together and combined their power.. I wonder if guardians can do the same. Probably not because the light can only granted. Look what happened to gaul lol
@@Un4gettablewolf The veil isn't the black fleet nor is it the witness. in the drawn cutscene of the witness, it is told to us (in the season of the deep) that the race of aliens (before combining to become the witness) found the veil deep in space and claimed it.
really refreshing take. thanks for sharing!
Great video. Subbed to see what your further theories.
Thank you!
Fvking amazing video man. This is epic !!!!
Thank you
awesome video! I would like to add that savathun said: the witness isnt the darkness, but it wears it, giving it a wicked shape... And that lines up nicely with your video. I was already on the same logic as you and its awesome you gave that opinion a nice strutcured video
Yes. There is no entity that represents the light or dark, there are instead agents of the light and dark. The traveler and the witness are equals.
Great video! I never knew that the Vex were the “winners” of the previous garden game
Yup! That’s their whole thing. They just want everything to be “them” that’s why they convert everything they come across
I just subbed i like your ideas its something diff.
Thank you! And welcome
I like how this assembles/organises/shapes what has been discovered regarding Traveller, Witness, and Winnower respectively in a distinct way, but still compatible with other theories about each.
Ive had a feeling that the witness is not who a lot of people think it is. A lot of people seemed to look over that veil log where the veil told maya about salvation. Many seemed to think it was the witness talking through the veil. If the witness was able to talk through the veil then surely it would be able to figure out where the veil is. One of the lead writers said sometime during season of the deep in an interview that the similarities between the witness origin, maya and the veil connecting exos, and calus using scorn and the crown of sorrow are intentional. I have a feeling that the witness was influenced/brainwashed like so many other characters to do the things they do. There hasnt been much mention of what the veiled statues are and it even makes an appearance in the witness origin cutscene. My theory is that whatever the satues are/what they represent is what is responsible. Its also interesting to consider the fact that the traveler and the veil were once 1 together in some way. Whatever caused them to separate could be connected.
I do wish that the Witness didn't have that form that we see in cutscenes. I like the idea of it being more formless where it uses the forms and voices of others to communicate, examples being: our doppleganger in the Shadowkeep and the voice that spoke through our Ghost leading up to Shadowkeep's ending. It comes off as something eldritch and unknowable rather than something that boils down to resembling Megamind.
Bungie had several designs but chose a humanoid one because we have an easier time relating and sympathizing with things that look like us
@@stickymzI don’t need to sympathise with something that’s trying to rewrite existence and isn’t at all sympathetic
I don't care what you say, going face to face with that thing would be terrifying. I hated the design at first too, but the more we learned about it the more I love it.
@@stickymz Bungie also mentioned a large part of it was about contrasting it with previous villains- Pretty much every antagonist we've had have been monstrous. I think the design also partially meant to match the "consciousness" realm of the darkness and heavily contrast with the very unfeeling unexpressive presence of the traveler.
@@psythen4562 Not as much sympathizing but more understanding their emotions and expressions. The Witness is a very bizarre and expression-less character, and most of the destiny community (like any community really) is retarded (yours truly included) so they needed something easily readable. How easily do you understand emotionally understand an eliksni or hive character by their facial expressions alone?
Great video! Came over from the community spotlight. I thought I was crazy when I got so frustrated that people just dismissed Unveiling as retconned. They both add so much depth to the metaphysical concepts
Oh shit! I also theorized the Witness was the first knife! Just finished the video lol. The Inspiral lore book is so good, love that entry
Glad to have you here!!
@@stickymzI’m interested in your theory on the tree of silver wings being an absence of darkness and light. I always read it as a confluence of both, as other lore texts related to the tree talk about constant growth and death
Taking the rules of the Flower Game into consideration, we arrive at some interesting possibilities.
Assuming the Gardener, Winnower and Tree are each a Flower, the tension between them brought about the life of a fourth, the First Blade. This of course necessitated the death of one of the other Flowers, the Tree. Coupled with the multiple timelines, this suggests this conflict has been perpetuating for a very long time.
It also provided the How and Why Eris herself became a Hive God, as the dynamics of the three existing Gods demanded the vacuum be filled. However, Eris defies both Hive religion AND Flower Game rules by giving up that very power, suggesting the Flower Game rules can be changed.
Similarly, the tension between the Traveler and Veil demanded balance, leading to the rise of a third Flower, the Witness, who embodies the cutting power of a Knife.
Similarly, the tension between the Traveler and Veil demanded balance, leading to the rise of a third Flower, the Witness, who embodies the cutting power of a Knife.
Similarly, the tension between the Traveler and Veil demanded balance, leading to the rise of a third Flower, the Witness, who embodies the cutting power of a Knife.
@@christianyaerger1751the audiolog says," They became the salvation/Winnower they craved". Witness uses the label Winnower as a concept of reaping life for new life, but doesn't describe it much as an entity but rather a function (tool). It's described that the gardener became vexed. The tree was destroyed by gardener leaving. The veil can't travel. The veil doesn't attack. So The traveler is both concepts of gardener/Winnower in the Garden with the original Tree.
i always thought that the Veil was the manifestation of Winnower in our universe. Very good point of yours about the Witnees being the First Blade. Excellent vid
Thank you!
It also makes sense considering the logic that the Witness tells its disciples and the Hive to follow is called the Sword Logic
i hear the windower smell's 🙂
yeah smells like some good roasted potatoes.
Ooooo I like this interpretation
you pretty much explained how I interpreted the cutscene
The Winnower certainly demonstrates his Knife skills …
He do be slicing
The garden could also be referring to the "black garden" but that's just my theory who knows what it was
This makes sense more than Bungie just saying, "Oh, um,well, The Witness is an unreliable source of narration"
My interpretation of The Vex has always been that they were more of a byproduct of the Flower Game that came about from learning the patterns of previous wins, and was created from both The Gardner *and* Winnower, but neither one had intended on that creation
I understand where you are coming from with this so I agree with you with the whole story.
yeah somewhere along the line they said that the witness was "the knife" of the winnower
This all makes perfect sense and I don’t understand how people think the unveiling book was retconned. Asha clearly stated the witnesses people desired a winnower to shape the gardener aka the traveler. And in the cutscene It seems they unearthed the traveler from there planet. It makes sense as well the witness is referred to be known as the first knife since it’s “witnessed” first hand the final shape aka the salvation they craved. Having the veil be stated as the winnow somewhat makes sense but I think it also refers as the statue which is there symbols of them able to slice reality into perfection as it looked in the cutscene
Also just wanted to point out. The traveler existed before the witness. If the light and dark are these cosmic beings and equals, it would make sense that they came into being at the same time. Not one after the other, I think the witnesses cinematic makes it very clear the witness is no the darkness itself but a very powerful being using the darkness, and acting as its will (maybe?). Always thought the witness just was the darkness, or at least that's how I feel destiny portrays the witness to newer players who aren't familiar with the lore.
Makes the most sense out of all the theories I’ve heard
Thank you!
Unveiling Lore written by same entity in grimmoire card "Majestic, Majestic" same manner of speech.
Enjoyed your video and pretty much sums up my own thoughts too. But I just wanted to leave this here as I don't see many people talking about it - To me, our Ghosts feel like a red herring. What do we know? Ghosts don't actually understand their origins and creation but have an intuition for the general will of the Traveller. The Witness has controlled Ghosts to communicate or reveal something - This can mean one of two things, either the Witness just has an ability to do this (from the Veil/Darkness perhaps), or Ghosts have an innate connection to the Witness specifically (it may not be aware of how deep/direct this connection is). The Witness is many beings rolled into one. There are many Ghosts and also, why call them Ghosts? What if our Ghosts are the individual souls that sacrificed themselves to create the Witness? Therefore, what if we have to separate/divide the Witness into its individual 'parts' to beat it? We beat Nezerac via overwhelming him with Light and Dark paracausal energy. What if it's about finding a way to reduce the Witness rather than overwhelming it? If Strand is something we discovered and the Witness isn't aware of it, then it stands to reason it'll be used against him in a way it doesn't expect ie Unravel it, reduce it to its individual parts and kill.
The Witness is able to lie as well just to get the hive before the traveler.
🎉New sub here.. Thanks for your insight into the lore..
Thank you! Glad to have you here
I have always seen the traveler as the rule that is independent from the game and the witness is used as a knife to cute down what the taveler creates
Oh my god finally. I have found another!
Might I also add that arguments against the pronouns, in that the Witness can simply change them, don't work since it NEVER HAS. Even when taking others' voices, it speaks as a collective. Even when physically appearing as a doppelganger, it speaks as itself.
And then there's the Veil, don't even get me started. That thing's existence makes the stuff on the Moon and Europa pre-Collapse so much more interesting.
Garden game reminds me of conways game of life
Damn man… this got a sub. Link up with Byf and Myelin bro
Thank you!
I completely agree with those statements. I thought it was pretty clear that the Winnower is the Veil. "They (the Witness) desired meaning, structure, *the Winnower*".
The thing I never thought about is the fact that the Veil cannot move by itself so it had to influence the Witness to move to get closer to the Traveler.
There are also many amazing parallells in the game between the Traveler and the Veil. Especially I like the fact that the Traveler is in the sky above Earth and the Veil is deep in the ground of Neomuna.
I really like how the whole concept of the major plot and Witness' motivation is incredibly similar to Thanos in the MCU. Too much live, too many resources given by the Traveler so they need to go away to start over. However, bungie tells the story in such a Weird way and its so abstract sometimes that people are fed up with it.
Lightfall failed because Bungie was trying to create and amplify the sense of mystery around the Veil and the Witness but it wasn't the time for even more mystery, it was time to give us answers and, simultaneously, cause us to lose in the fight literally just like in Infinity War. They had everything set up perfectly, but they decided to put all the major lore in season of the Deep instead of Lightfall which will forever be the reason I consider Deep one of the worst seasons in the game, not because of it's quality,but intentional choice to put everything we needed in Lightfall in it.
I always considered it a sentient concept
If I may say this about the cutscene about the Witness' origin that everyone complained about. If we had gotten it during a main story quest, it would make zero sense unless someone who knew about the Witness (like Ahsa for example) would take part of the main campaign story. The reason why we got it in a Seasonal story like Season of the Deep is because Seasonal Content usually extend the story of the expansion in some way. While it is not the perfect solution for certain seasons, it is better than nothing. The reason why I wasn't confused about why we didn't get this cutscene in the main story is because I understood the story's pacing within the expansion.
nuh uh
source: trust me bro
Looking at the lore on the 1st knife it makes sense. The gardeners new rule, being the 1st knife, is critized for creating beings that will seek to destroy everying around them (taken and scourge). The knife also will run parralel to the game and not interfere (witness never directly attacks, just influence people). The final line being "i discovered the 1st knife", also proves the veil is the winnower seeing as how the viel lead to the creation of the witness and the conversation is told in the winnower perspective
This also bring the travelers motives into question, since the gardener wanted the knife. Could the traveler actually want the witness to win? The ray did help him find the veil, plus the connection to ghosts. What if the ghosts are meant for the witness, to plant seeds of light.
I think the second part of your comment can be completely interpreted differently… What if the Gardener didn’t INTENTIONALLY create the first knife? Hear me out:
Think of our current reality as the Garden Game, instead of it being a game that was played eons ago… As theorized in the video, if the Veil turns out to be the Winnower, then what if because of the Traveler LEAVING the Witness’ species, it set a series of events in motion that created the Witness? ( The species merged themselves using the Veil’s Darkness to be able to pursue the Traveler) If the Witness was accidentally created by the Gardener because HE set the events in motion; the Gardener has all the right to run away because it doesn’t want to be cut off to end the game. All I’ve been thinking about is: What if the game wasn’t played eons ago… What if it is being played RIGHT NOW, by US (the player)!
No lore book ever said who started the game, only that the original 6 participants were there when it started… And the final line of the lore tab with the game’s rules exclaimed “The only move that can be played is changing the arrangement of the flowers before it starts.” WE ARRANGED THE FLOWERS, WE CHOSE OUR GENDER, WE CHOSE OUR RACE, WE CHOSE OUR CLASS! THE PLAYER WHO CONTROLS THE GUARDIAN HAS BEEN THE ONE PLAYING THE GARDEN GAME ALL ALONG!
DESTINY’S REALITY IS THE GARDEN GAME! Oh and The Traveler’s pale heart from The Final Shape might then just be the ultimate reset button for the Destiny Universe!
I'm GLAD someone finally made a proper video on this!
Also isn't The Winnower a man & The Gardener is a woman in lore?
Neither have any gender
@@stickymz There is a scrapt cutscene of the astronauts from D1 coming face to face with a women in a robe saying something on the lines of:
The traveller will change your world for ever
could that women be the Gardener? Warning humanity of what's to come?
Found the cutscene:
ua-cam.com/video/5DVryD3Xhwc/v-deo.html
Do i count as the windower if i stand in someones window?
Depends what kind of window
My attorney told me not to tell you
way to salvage story would be to have Veil be the Winnower
No the winnower doesn't need to be fixed, it was a propaganda piece from the witness
@@justsomedude1593 I wished it wasn't tho. It would have been so cool to see the Gardener and the Winnower, but Bungie had no idea what they were doing after Lightfall so they shadow retconned it
This has been honestly my natural interpretation of everything since Shadowkeep till now. I also never agreed with Byf's take, I think he was just salty it didn't manifest in the way he envisioned it would, and so assumed retcon etc. I'm also not a fan of the notion that the cutscene should of been in Lightfall as apposed to a season, in my mind that's the whole point of seasonal narrative, to carry expansion beats throughout the year.
Good point, but it's also about balance. The cutscene was such a nuke lore wise that making it seasonal was such a bizarre prioritization, hence the outrage. There is an intellectual hierarchy to these things, and the cutscene would be better fit in the campaign.
@@theawesomesausage I do agree the cutscene did reveal a great deal in terms of certain lore revelations, but again I just fail to see its inclusion into the season as a detrimental aspect. If anything it brought additional value to the season, and it didn't end up being a throw away narrative either because you can view the cutscene via the timeline tab which is honestly something they should do for all cutscenes not within campaigns. Also not sure its up to the player base to determine what said hierarchy should be, that's up to the writers.
Warlocks never die warlocks never die
plz look into "Book: Constellations - Severing" that talks about Traveler's false sister 'O'
I’ll be honest I completely forgot that lore while making this video but I did use that lore when I made videos on this topic on TikTok
Wait i have an idea what if the veil is in controll of the Witness and THE FINAL SHAPE is literall shape beacuse winnover wants to get a form and finally be in controll?
The Veil corrupts they said, maya had come to the point that she could end up the same as the wintess pepole
I think there is more to the veil than we see its not only an artifact its an living being trying to achive its goal.
i know it could not totally make sense because of that we know that wintess wants to reshape reality or it have an ability to do that
what i think where we seen the pale heart location its not created by the wintess its created from thoughts of the beings that are inside
What we know though is People of the witness lacked sense of living "the purpose"
this theory probably have many holes but it could be a nice way to create second evil god after the wintess
I'm still convinced the Winnower is a concept the Witness created & embodied, the pronouns difference doesnt mean it isn't the Winnower since the Witness can use singular pronouns like it did with Rhulk, "My child" instead of "Our child".
I know the Veil was shown once Ahsa said the Witness's people desired a Winnower, but when they merged she said "they merged themselves into the Salvation they craved" & what they craved was a Winnower, I think the Veil showing up at that time was coincidence/was there to confuse people
There's also the last text "the Winnower" says in Unveiling "I'll come over & hear your answer", to which then Pyramids show up in Arrivals.
In Arrivals there's also a lore book called the Singular Exegat where Eris says the Witness preaches the same philosophy that was in Unveiling, BoS, & in Yor's Scriptures.
There's also the discussion a Bungie writer had, where they essentially confirmed the Witness wrote Unveiling & the ideas like the Garden & more are metaphorical, ideas or concepts.
The Traveler is the Gardener, we've been knew this, but why wouldn't the Witness's people give the Veil the name "the Winnower?" If the Veil is the Winnower, I don't think it's the Winnower that we know of as that's been the Witness
Hit the nail on the head like a tonne of bricks, I believe you have just discovered the truth
Nah this makes a ton of sense
I always had hope that the Winnower/Gardner would retain themselves like cosmic entities, the definitive embodiment and personification of Light & Darkness. And furthermore those what we see(the Traveler, Black Fleet/Veil) were simply their representatives, small g in gods. The Witness and its whole origin really undid alot of that and just made the meta lore feel so much more lame. The Witness just doesnt feel like BEG energy and definitely not the finality of the Darkness as we long fought against. Deep down I still wish the Witness to just be a pawn, another small g, another player in the game, bc that means when its defeated there will still be something greater and far more obscure than a bunch of empty black fleets
The witness obviously isn't a blade they're clearly a humanoid alien lifeform
metaphorically you ding dong LOL
I….
Oh yeah, it's big brain time
This should be obvious, but it is a metaphor for the mantle/responsibility of bringing about the Final Shape.
The reason why you see a lot of phrases around sharpening, like a sword on a whetstone, when it comes to hive based texts is due to being descended from this metaphor.
The Hive have the Final Shape as a single being or species being the last left. Due to the worm parasites passed down through the Witness’ machinations, even if the Hive got that far, they would die off anyway
because the Sword Logic is a pyramid scheme.
The Witness in comparison desires the last, and thus unchanging state of reality entirely. A universe without both life and death, suffering, and ultimately, without free will.
Eat some crayons and hush fellow titan the conversation and theme is above you
I think the Tree of Silver wings is a Dead Veil.
The Tree of Silver Wings is a 'tree' that is susceptible/receptive of paracausal energies. It produces seeds that grow into more trees. There is a seasonal artifact that is a seed of silver wings. The raid, Root of Nightmares, features a tree of silver wings growing rampant on the pyramid ship that the Witness was on when the Traveller fired its energy beam at it. You literally feed it paracausal energy (Light AND Darkness) at several points to open the path forward.
The Veil is a paracausal entity associated specifically with the Darkness and somehow connected to the Traveller. It's a primordial source of Darkness. There is a little bit of similarity in their structure, but that's basically all there is in terms of how they might be related.
But there are multiple trees
The worse part of all this is we have to wait till the 4th june to understand what is going on 😡
The witness is NOT who you think!
Yea, a good character. I know now.
The witness is a great a great character
@@stickymzthis most likley doesnt matter but the garden game is conways game of lifr
Fun fact. An equation mark with a diagonal through it does not equal “does not equal”.
Supposedly you write it != 🤓
While I choose to wait and see what the final shape brings I will say if the witness does end up being the end all be all enemy of the traveler I’ll be very disappointed, the witness is an interesting villain don’t get me wrong but he doesn’t scream “rival” to a mysterious cosmic entity like the Traveler
The witness will end up being the big bad, the winnower isn’t “bad” just an opposite mathematical construct of the gardener.
My interpretation about the whole thing is plain and simple: light means life and dark means death. Pretty basic concept. And us guardians don't know death because we're imortal. As it is, we just bring death because we kill all and don't die. This unbalanced force is exactly what the witness want to reset, a universe where we cannot bring only death and don't be immortal anymore. The witness want to rewrite a new cosmic universe based in equilibrium
Keep pushing the Venextron agenda 🗣🗣
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No idea what that is
@@stickymz look him up
The witness is clearly a stupid dude to thinking he could escape your throwing by going into the traveler
I love this theory, if it isn’t correct it should be, sombody tag bungo
Keep an eye out next weekend… I’m sure they will know about this theory 👀
1:34 ah yes, The Almighty game. The game for no players, played on infinite board by itself.
What about it tho?
It's actually just the Connway's Game of Life, invented cirka 50 years ago, in anyone didn't knew that
I don't agree that the mid-season cutscene was poor timing. Dmg04 told us and Bungie told us before the Lightfall expansion dropped that they would try to deliver the narrative of Lightfall in different ways from other years to test methods out.
I like having content that matters all year round. Guardians complained since D1 that content dries up after DLCs come out and the first time this hasn't happened people complain.
If Destiny occupies an ever-evolving world how realistic would it be for all major events to happen in one week then nothing happens for a year?
They told us after because of the backlash to the lightfall storyline. I just googled to double check.
And I believe if I or anyone else paid for a story dlc the entire story should be in the dlc not in a different paid season.
Content should matter all year round and there are ways to do it, this cutscene should have been in the dlc
@@stickymz no, we were told before LF dropped. Dmg clarified further when people asked about it.
We don't need to agree, but if a game is advertised as an ever-evolving world, then logic dictates that it's perfectly acceptable for major reveals to occur as they would in real life. In time and as characters do more research.
That's the perspective I'm defending and again, we can disagree. It's subjective and not some objective right or wrong. It can make sense to do based on context and you can still dislike it without the need to justify that.
Feelings are valid.
Witness confirmed filler enemy
love the lore video, but i kill hunters daily in crucible with my warlock chaperone combo
We are just sleeping 😳
@@stickymz lol
May the Light forever bless you Guardian
I'm sorry but the way he says Winnower as "winn-nower" is frustrating.
It has been said multiple times that when the traveller provides it light to a race, they prosper and when the traveller decides its time to leave, that race is will be shambles, far beneath from were they started. The witness is here to stop that ruthless cycle.
And yet we now know with 100% certainly why the Traveler is leaving these species as well as why that species will be in shambles- the Witness's hunt for the Traveler and the eradication of the races it comes across.
If this cycle exists, it's entirely the fault of the Witness for its obsession with achieving the Final Shape at all costs.
The reason that races turn into shambles is because the Witness and its Armada tracks down the Traveller and decimates the race that it blessed.
Good theory although with how LAZY Bugnie was to create and give us a true 5th enemy race with the Pyramids I feel like they too will be LAZY to not even give us a proper physical Winnower or Gardener. They’ll probably want to move away from the Light v Dark saga as fast as they can leaving a lot of loose ends.
I don’t think a true darkness race would work. The witness is going away in a few months, so what would that race look like long term? When bungie does add another race it’ll be something they can have around a long time even if a major story ends
@@stickymz my idea is something like the Witness being some entity instead who invaded and conquered a supposed Pyramid race and corrupted them with his version of darkness and made them a formidable army. Maybe after we slay the Witness they would become free from his control and just leave in peace or something like that. But Bungie was just being lazy, their biggest failure was having empty Pyramid ships after years of teasing them to be something greater.
@@EpticityOG it’s a good idea I like it
@@EpticityOG Exactly. Empty Pyramids made sense earlier in the game like in Shadowkeep, Beyond Light, and Witch Queen because these are old ships(except Beyond Light, that ship was apparently meant for us to take if we chose to join the Witness). But now we have encountered the Black Fleet so we should expect there to be enemies of different and new races to be inside the ships. But no. Bungie really fumbled with Lightfall
Nice video but i think your reaching by saying that the Veil cannot move on its own, yes it was moved by the witness race and Savathun but nowhere does it hint or say it isn’t capable of moving by itself to carry out its will
I wholeheartedly disagree with the first 20 seconds of the video.
Story is beyond dumb at this point. Good video but Bungie deserves to fail at this point.
Going to unsub can’t watch a UA-camr who uses pro-nouns to describe themselves.
Have you ever said the word “I” to describe yourself? That’s a pronoun.
FUCKING PRONOUNS