Quality vid man. Greatly appreciative of the adherence to your subject prep and sound quality. Little light on some details, but I'm no in any way confused or lacking vital info.
Is it worth enchanting the Revenger with Fiery Blaze instead of Battlemaster? Has the effect: Enchants a weapon to have a 15% chance to inflict 9 to 13 Fire damage to all enemies within 3 yards.
Great video Tandoor. I am finding that I need multiple Sporeggar shields, my first one breaks before I can finish the run. I think repair bots make this pretty low profit at least on my server, so I think multiple shields are a must unless you run back to LH every run. Did you encounter durability issues? How many pulls were you doing? Edit: I go through about 1.37 shields per run. I can clear this in about 20 min, so 3 runs per hour, would need about 4-5 shields.
Took your advices and managed to get 5-6 groups down. However after killing those packs my shield is halfway broken. Pretty annoying and I can't believe it would be lucrative in the long term if I have to run back to Lights Hope or even set up a repair bot all the time. Other than that, everything works fine just as you described. Good work.
I am finding that I go through 10g worth of shields per clear, and on skeram repair bots are gold positive to drop on cooldown so I simply drop a repair bot every clear. This 40g/hr on repairs only seems worth it while boosting as the g/hr is much higher than just farming the raw gold.
well, thats interesting. Paladins can start doing solo clears through all the branches of SM in their 50's, as it was a common tactic for making money or saving up for the mats needed for the mount quest. Obviously, not mass pulling the instance. With the instance cap, it isn't a big deal if it takes a little longer anyway.
Great video but I was wondering if you can show a full strat UD clear that you would do from start to finish and rough GP/HR? Thanks again for sharing this!
I had a timer on my sped up run showing a 20min clear, most pallies i've seen doing it in p1 gear are about 12-15min clears. I don't want to guess on g/hr though since pservers have inaccurate drop rates. I'm not sure how long it would take me to do the remainder of the UD side up through baron though. Prot warriors may also have an easier time doing the rest of live side as we don't care about the mana burn.
@@TheTandoor Okay.. so a decent amount slower but seems a lot safer and easier with the right gear. Thanks for the reply and love this chonky warrior boy content! 👍
What about repair costs? I tried the SM route with p1 gear and lichen shield( without the t4 set bonus sadly) and shield almost broke...Repair costs were about 2g, however, the bigger problem would be the hassle to go and repair as Alliance
Thank you for showing me this. Because I’ve been wanting to lvl a play for AoE farming gold but I’m just NOT interested in leveling a pally…. I’m having fun leveling the warrior so far and I just got bored of the pally quickly due to Pally being my first main back in MoP. Anyways 👍🏻👍🏻Thanks for the video
Go into Scarlet Cathedral, hit the Boss with ranged DPS, then run straight back to the front corridor and all the mobs will come to you. And I mean straight to the corridor, jump down the waterfall in the fountain. Also this instance is a good place to raise your fishing and not get ganked. Clear the instance and fish in the fountain. at least you could back in the day.
Druids cannot mass pull in the same way because Paladins and Warriors have block and can use trinkets and food for AOE that have a larger hit amount. A druid is limited to thorn-type damage. That being said, they can also have massive avoidance stacking agility and just go cat and wreck everything while running through the dungeon instead of mass pulling and reflecting everything to death.
Would this work if I am below the 102% avoidance cap? I am currently sitting at around 25% block, around 15% dodge and 15% parry. I am def capped and it is currently around 495, wondering if that's going to be enough to start with? I am in mostly pre-raid bis gear?
No, you need 100% avoidance against lvl 58 mobs for this to be worth your time. This means you need 90.4% block/dodge/parry/miss on your character sheet. Anything less and you have to do this in 3+ pulls, and since we kill so slow its just not worth your time.
10 years ago there was a guild on my WOTLK server Undermine with the name "Get Carried". It was pretty much the top guild of the server and had a reputation as such. Was that you guys?
@@getcarried8116 I was Näture (a resto druid) at the time, you probably don't remember me as my guild was casual. Crazy how much I can still remember of that time a decade later
hes using Petrified Lichen Guard, it poisons enemies upon blocking an attack, Skullflame scales with SP hence why Paladins favour it, because it heals them for a massivwe chunk, warriors have no SP but a ton of block.
Once i have enough to replicate this I will show. This farm requires 100% avoidance or its just too slow to be worth it and my gears not quite there yet.
Yeah the grind is real. I tried this with 2 piece t4 (head + hands)in SM yesterday and that worked fine. Im missing pants from curator and chest from nightbane/t4 and some good bracers. Once i get that ill try to go after ZF then strat :) great fun! Edit: Also how do you calculate avoidance vs a lower lvl mob? Is there a constant scaling factor like weapon skill at 58 vs your own avoidance at 70?
Any chance you can elaborate on what makes this farm profitable? Is it just the raw gold and vendoring greens or is disenchanting a big part of the GPH?
Graysfordays did a video on it. He got 250g/hr in raw gold just vendoring everything. large brilliant shards would probably raise the g/hr a bit, but 250g outright is still quite nice.
They are good to speed it up, but not the critical component of the farm. I will do a stream or better video in the future actually going in depth on all the slots.
That icon is the t4 2p set bonus, it has a 25% chance to proc on parry with no icd. Most of my damage comes from cleave, sporegar shield and shield spike
Would lifestealing enchant help on the weapon? The tool tip says it's less effective for players over 60. Does that mean the wielder? Or less effective in pvp fights against lvl 70 players.
It means that after YOU hit 61, the enchant does less and less. Most classic enchants do less after 60. So life stealing would steal less life after 61. Sucks :(
Warriors will definitely be capable of boosting come TBC. If they fix pathing in instances then warriors and paladins might be the only major boosting classes. Paladins will probably always aoe farm faster than us, but anything they can do we will probably be able to do as well.
Sadly no, I think you can actually see it in my bags as it is something I tested. Crest of retribution is quite a bit lower damage than shield spike which did less than half the damage of petrified lichen guard.
So do you need a strong 77% avoidance (via character sheet) for this to work? I'm not 100% sure I understand the required avoidance. I'm sitting at 65% avoidance via character sheet.
Actualy "When struck in combat" items are realy good for warrior. Just before farm test how much dmg mobs do, and then lower your block value to a point where you get a partial block. That means every time you block, youll get 1 direct damage and it will proc "When struck in combat" items. It will make your run faster and youll heal your self.
@@jensjensen7504 Shield block value works 1 to 1. So if lets say you have 400 SBV it means, that every time when you block you absorb 400 dmg. when you go to low lvl instances, lets say mobs do 100 dmg, so with your 400SBV you will absorb all damage when blocked. So simply drop your SBV to 99. It means every time mob hits you and you block, it caunts as a partial block, cause your SBV is lower then mobs attack. It means even tho you block, you recieve 1 damage from mob and rest 99 are absorbed by your SBV. So that 1 damage can proc "When struck in combat" items
@@slapimtakis ty, i did understand the mechanics of it. My question was more in the nature of "how would you calculate this for a particular instance" :)
would ylu mind sharing the formular how to figure out the amount of avoidance needed for a specific level of mob and how good dodge/parry/block is against them (compare to the shown character sheet values)
What items are you using and gems to it? I find 99% avoidance to be almost impossible. Right now I'm on 76% with similar gear (taken by the looks of your char).
@@RichardPugsley you still want about 90% avoidance on your character sheet. I am currently doing this with a suneater and an extra pair of gloves gemmed for defense. If you happen to have the trinket from BWL its quite easy to reach 100% avoidance.
No, the reason is that just like nagle ring the skullflame shield literally wont proc unless I turn my back to the mobs. It may have value while gathering the mobs but its small proc rate and small heal amount simply aren't worth throwing gold at. I wouldn't take that shield on a pally either though as it's never the intent to face our backs to the mobs. SFS does ok while gathering mobs in lower level dungeons because you don't get instagibbed. As I improve on this I will likely figure out a way to do this in 1-2 pulls instead of 2-3 and at when you are kiting that many mobs getting hit usually means instadeath.
@@konradbrochocki4923 no, it won't proc anytime you block, dodge, or parry so the only time it can proc is while you are gather the mobs and potentially get hit in the back. Supposedly in classic sfs wont proc when you get hit in the back either, meaning it won't really proc for us at all. If its already soul bound I'd hang onto it in case we ever find a use for it, but if its not id sell it off
@@TheTandoor Yea i managed to figure out it was ironscale you used just by looking at the pattern of ur back. Kind of a long grind to get all the items especially when some of them are kara pieces, but slow and steady i guess.
I looking forwad to getting rid of Flask Healing Gear and have more bag space in TBC. Now it seems I'll be just replacing them slots with block and healing gear :P
This is pserver, but it also has the explody corpses. You can block/dodge/parry it on pservers. It looked like you could on beta as well after watching graysfordays stream it so I'm not worried about it. You can also kill the cadavers that spawn very quickly by just adding them into a /tar /cleave macro.
In TBC classic I got 100+% avoidance to lvl40 mobs (SM cath) and I did a run (1pull full cath) I cleared it without much issues. The problem I am facing is that my shield is 32/100 dura in 1 pull. However I do not have 2p t4 yet and the absorb might help with that?
@@TheTandoor hey, I thought u disappeared! Could u make a recommended list or gear to get? I'm struggling to reach the avoidance needed for strat, seems out of reach even though I have pretty solid avoidance gear (non raid gear tho). Or just show me what ur using? :) Would appreciate it
@@Zs0ltika94 It's not doable without raid gear. I was planning to make another video once I finished my gearset, but here is what I plan to use for it: seventyupgrades.com/set/fP3gzBycFxWFooUug8ESsW
Aha was talking about aoe farming and predicted warriors can in theory do the same thing as paladins and glad to see it being true in reality aswell :P , about the damage taken up to X mechanics , im pretty sure it reduces the damage taken pre reduction calculation so , if the mob does 100 dmg pre calcs, it goes to 80 , then gets reduced by your armor, reduced dmg taken etc... but up to reduced damage taken by X also seems to have some kind of diminishing returns formula not letting you hit 0 damage taken so meh
Pre armor is exactly what I was talking about. Using the mob doing 100 damage and armor cap is a very simple calculation to show how we only get 25% of the value from the earthen elixir. On the left we have pre armor, and on the right we have the earthen elixir extracted out using the distributive properties of multiplication. (100 - 20) * 0.25 = (100 * 0.25) - (20 * 0.25) Here we can see an armor capped earthen elixir provides 5 damage reduction (20 * 0.25) = 5 As far as a DR to stop it from reducing damage to 0, that I have not tested.
Where does all the damage come from? With paladins, a lot of it is concecration. Are you just relying on the shield for the majority of the damage output?
In Strat you can vendor everything or auction the runecloth. 1 Run Strat of the "Main Area" gives around 50g and takes around 12-15 min for Paladins. Warrior are slower i think but you should still be able to do 3+ runs per hour and get 150gph+
Awesome video! Could you release a full run that isnt sped up as a reference guide maybe in the future? Either way thanks for letting us know about this strategy.
Not as fast is an understatement in TBC. Pally damage is going to skyrocket in older content when they get some raid gear. It isn't just about speed either. You don't need to compromise with a prot pally to do this. So the warrior in this video has his tier pieces, but he has to gem for pure avoidance to achieve these results. That means you need to compromise on having a better raid load out in favor of making money, or eventually get 2 extra pieces of T4 (which would take a while) to screw around with. Mix all of that with the fact that a pally doesn't need to downscale at all to survive the encounters, and it is just one big mess of collecting random crap on warrior to achieve far lesser results. While I find this interesting, it just isn't practical in comparison.
@@someone-ji2zb exactly, this is never going to be efficient. But about paladins though, if you do compromise to reach the avoidance cap, doable for stratholme in t6 with specific itemization you can pull off some crazy stuff.
@@sanji2158 True, but if you have T6 with almost any class, then you can do way better things than this. You can practically just farm MC trash with most classes/specs and get a huge amount of value. T6 scaled way too much and was the start of what we would see lich king take to the next level. Things just get broken.
I've gotten this farm down to ~10min with a single FAP, I don't know if pallies will do any faster in p1. Come P2 gear and we will upgrade our farm to something in tbc content. Any faster than 12min is all really just icing on the cake and I don't think I really need to use the FAP.
Depends on how gear-reliant you want to be. It's only good if it significantly changes dtps, meaning very high avoidance gear. I have nearly all Phase 1 avoidance gear on my pala; with that I can reach 86.4% avoidance, which is a little under 1% less than what he has in the video. This would put me at 116 spell damage. This would double the time it takes for me to kill mobs compared to my regular farming set. Yes, I'd be night-unkillable, but that doesn't help the farming all that much. It also means you need to bring more shields, since all shields suffer durability loss from blocking attacks. With that set equipped, when 2-pulling strath, I'd be taking ~dtps. The sword heals for about ~30 hps. So the sword would double my survivability, which is pretty huge. But then again, why? Why would you want to over-gear so much? The point of the farm is to kill the enemies, not get hit as many times as possible without dying. You might conceivably 1-pull strath, but it would take as long as 3-pulling with regular farming gear would, or even longer. You risk the shield breaking during the pull etc. Currently I can do 2 full clears before I have to go repair my shield and vendor all the stuff in my inventory. Using this over a spell damage sword would in other words be 1: far more costly 2: far more demanding on gear 3: probably slower 4: less risky(if your shield holds) 5: more comfortable 6: probably more fun :P (while getting hit a lot isn't the point of farming, it's fun to look down on those pitiful, useless mobs trying to harm you)
Thank you for the vid. Now i dont feel that bad leveling a Prot Warrior in Phase 6 :3. Stay safe everyone Edit: this must be the ultimate Warrior Roleplay expierence. Being a force of nature
If you are already avoidance capped it doesn't do anything, and if you are fighting any reasonable amount of enemies at once it has little/no value anyways since it only has 2 charges.
This is your first vid but it looks and sounds like your 1000th. solid content man keep it up!
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High quality vid brother. You’ve given hope to a lot of warriors. Sub’d and exited to see more.
You just blew my mind. I never thought of using 2p T4 for farming as obvious as it may seem.
Prot paladin: And I took that personally.
Prot paladin: Look at what they need to mimic just a fraction of our power!
Prot paladin : bubble > hearthstone
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Paladin: scoffs in less gear-reliability and way faster kill times.
Didn't realize I could just stick with my main in TBC and not worry about leveling an alt. Good stuff!
Quality vid man. Greatly appreciative of the adherence to your subject prep and sound quality.
Little light on some details, but I'm no in any way confused or lacking vital info.
Hey dude, would it be possible to do a quick 70 upgrades template so we can see what gear you are using? Thanks!
Nice! That set bonus is absolutely nuts for this
Is it worth enchanting the Revenger with Fiery Blaze instead of Battlemaster? Has the effect: Enchants a weapon to have a 15% chance to inflict 9 to 13 Fire damage to all enemies within 3 yards.
my brother boosted me on his warrior in original tbc! he was able to aoe pull all the way up to sm no problem. cool to see it goes so much further
Great video Tandoor. I am finding that I need multiple Sporeggar shields, my first one breaks before I can finish the run. I think repair bots make this pretty low profit at least on my server, so I think multiple shields are a must unless you run back to LH every run. Did you encounter durability issues? How many pulls were you doing? Edit: I go through about 1.37 shields per run. I can clear this in about 20 min, so 3 runs per hour, would need about 4-5 shields.
This is so satisfying to watch. Well done on putting this together. As a prot paladin I salute you 👍
Thanks, I've done this farm quite a bit on paladin and didn't actually think it would work on warrior.
As a fellow Tauren warrior who also uses ElvUI I am most definitely subbing. Great video, I can't wait to try to make this work.
I had no idea warriors could aoe farm. Great video
felsteel shield spike?
I love this
Great stuff mate
Think you could share your gear list? Good video by the way 👏
I’m having trouble doing strath. How are you dealing with the diseases?
I use a restorative potion to remove the disease between each reset. I use 1 potion per reset to be able to eat to full.
Amazing video, very thorough and very simple
@Tandoor can i do the start without the set bonus?
sounds dumb but would thunderfury be a good wepon to also use here?
Took your advices and managed to get 5-6 groups down. However after killing those packs my shield is halfway broken. Pretty annoying and I can't believe it would be lucrative in the long term if I have to run back to Lights Hope or even set up a repair bot all the time. Other than that, everything works fine just as you described. Good work.
I am finding that I go through 10g worth of shields per clear, and on skeram repair bots are gold positive to drop on cooldown so I simply drop a repair bot every clear. This 40g/hr on repairs only seems worth it while boosting as the g/hr is much higher than just farming the raw gold.
is it possible to do this without the tier 4 parts?
This
Could you link your bartender 4 or dominos setup plz?
well, thats interesting. Paladins can start doing solo clears through all the branches of SM in their 50's, as it was a common tactic for making money or saving up for the mats needed for the mount quest. Obviously, not mass pulling the instance. With the instance cap, it isn't a big deal if it takes a little longer anyway.
Using this gear, do you think it would be possible to 2 man thunderfury binding runs with a healer?
probably not baron geddon. block doesn't do anything against elemental attacks, garr you could most likely do but it will take a very long time
Im confused without concecration whats actually doing the damage spam cleave with thunderclap and the shield procs?
Shield mostly.
cleave is top damage followed by sporegar shield and shield spike
Great video but I was wondering if you can show a full strat UD clear that you would do from start to finish and rough GP/HR? Thanks again for sharing this!
I had a timer on my sped up run showing a 20min clear, most pallies i've seen doing it in p1 gear are about 12-15min clears. I don't want to guess on g/hr though since pservers have inaccurate drop rates. I'm not sure how long it would take me to do the remainder of the UD side up through baron though. Prot warriors may also have an easier time doing the rest of live side as we don't care about the mana burn.
@@TheTandoor Okay.. so a decent amount slower but seems a lot safer and easier with the right gear. Thanks for the reply and love this chonky warrior boy content! 👍
I loved aoe farming on my warrior in wotlk.. i never knew it was possible in tbc! thank you!
What about repair costs? I tried the SM route with p1 gear and lichen shield( without the t4 set bonus sadly) and shield almost broke...Repair costs were about 2g, however, the bigger problem would be the hassle to go and repair as Alliance
I was thinking could just buy a few shields. The glow caps are pretty easy to find.
I have 5 plg that I carry so I dont have to repair often. Repair bots on skeram are also cheap enough that its gold positive to drop them on cd.
you can repair at the bulwark there are argent dawn guys
How is this not viral?!? this is so good! Well done my friend, well done!
In the cat run the shield breaks rather quickly, what do you do to prevent or circumvent this issue?
bring multiple shields
@@TheTandoor That's what I ended up doing as well
Thank you for showing me this. Because I’ve been wanting to lvl a play for AoE farming gold but I’m just NOT interested in leveling a pally…. I’m having fun leveling the warrior so far and I just got bored of the pally quickly due to Pally being my first main back in MoP.
Anyways 👍🏻👍🏻Thanks for the video
Go into Scarlet Cathedral, hit the Boss with ranged DPS, then run straight back to the front corridor and all the mobs will come to you. And I mean straight to the corridor, jump down the waterfall in the fountain. Also this instance is a good place to raise your fishing and not get ganked. Clear the instance and fish in the fountain. at least you could back in the day.
is the T4 2p bonus absolutely neccesary?
Gonna break a lot more shields without it. You do need raid gear to have enough avoidance, so why not pick up the tier pieces while you're at it?
yes
i need the name of this bluegrass song please
thermaplugg hat is a must have for the AoE lightning pull plus the shield buff
What Character sheet addon are you using?
What about druids? can too?
Druids cannot mass pull in the same way because Paladins and Warriors have block and can use trinkets and food for AOE that have a larger hit amount. A druid is limited to thorn-type damage. That being said, they can also have massive avoidance stacking agility and just go cat and wreck everything while running through the dungeon instead of mass pulling and reflecting everything to death.
Would this work if I am below the 102% avoidance cap?
I am currently sitting at around 25% block, around 15% dodge and 15% parry. I am def capped and it is currently around 495, wondering if that's going to be enough to start with? I am in mostly pre-raid bis gear?
Link gear?
No, you need 100% avoidance against lvl 58 mobs for this to be worth your time. This means you need 90.4% block/dodge/parry/miss on your character sheet. Anything less and you have to do this in 3+ pulls, and since we kill so slow its just not worth your time.
@@TheTandoor makes sense, thanks for the reply 🙏
10 years ago there was a guild on my WOTLK server Undermine with the name "Get Carried". It was pretty much the top guild of the server and had a reputation as such. Was that you guys?
I was personally on Blackrock in back in wotlk, but this is the same from undermine.
Rejuvy here
This is us
@@getcarried8116 you’re fucking kidding me. You were the biggest troll on the server 😂😂😂
@@getcarried8116 I was Näture (a resto druid) at the time, you probably don't remember me as my guild was casual. Crazy how much I can still remember of that time a decade later
I am curious about your shield choice and why you left out Skullflame, could you go in-depth on that please?
hes using Petrified Lichen Guard, it poisons enemies upon blocking an attack, Skullflame scales with SP hence why Paladins favour it, because it heals them for a massivwe chunk, warriors have no SP but a ton of block.
@@immie1709 you also have to take damage for skullflame shields damage to proc
Couldn't even finish 1 run of SM Cath with the Engineering shield before it broke.... something I'm doing wrong?
No the engi shield just breaks down each time it procs
How about endgame gear, or the progression towards it?
Very nice and fun video! Already working on t4 pieces. Is it possible to see all your gear somewhere?
Once i have enough to replicate this I will show. This farm requires 100% avoidance or its just too slow to be worth it and my gears not quite there yet.
Yeah the grind is real. I tried this with 2 piece t4 (head + hands)in SM yesterday and that worked fine. Im missing pants from curator and chest from nightbane/t4 and some good bracers. Once i get that ill try to go after ZF then strat :) great fun!
Edit: Also how do you calculate avoidance vs a lower lvl mob? Is there a constant scaling factor like weapon skill at 58 vs your own avoidance at 70?
@@sidho582 Correct. It's something like 100-((yourLevel - mobLevel) *0.8). So if the mob is 58, you only need 90.4 on the character sheet.
what is the buff of 19 seconds +120 health?
Great video dude!
What about felsteel shieldspike?
or does this mess up the pull by killing some mobs on the way?
@@johnmortslleh2929 no, spikes only work if you block
would love a vid of the full strat run
Any chance you can elaborate on what makes this farm profitable? Is it just the raw gold and vendoring greens or is disenchanting a big part of the GPH?
Graysfordays did a video on it. He got 250g/hr in raw gold just vendoring everything. large brilliant shards would probably raise the g/hr a bit, but 250g outright is still quite nice.
@@TheTandoor Ah thanks for the reply, okay i'll probably still go BS on the warrior then and ignore enchanting
No mention of Shield Spikes?
They are good to speed it up, but not the critical component of the farm. I will do a stream or better video in the future actually going in depth on all the slots.
Did not mention shield spike, even though i know that should be a no duh, but just in case.
As a paladin doing the same farm I can say you've just helped out a ton of warrs
This is so cool, I can't wait to try it out.
awesome video!
are you just dealing damage with the shield? whats the buff that keeps flashing up that shares an icon with retaliation?
That icon is the t4 2p set bonus, it has a 25% chance to proc on parry with no icd. Most of my damage comes from cleave, sporegar shield and shield spike
Small thought - would Darkmoon Card: Heroism be good for this too maybe? (chance on hit 120-180 healing)
Potentially. I've tried it with the mark of conquest and it wasn't terrible. It's not going to change it a ton either way though.
Yeah, it's probably not too big of a difference between the two items. Cool video!
Do they let you use thunderclap in defensive stance in BC? I forgot if that was a bc or wrath thing.
yes we can use tclap in dstance
I believe it was capped to 5 targets though
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Using these types of farm to make gold, what professions would you go? Enchant/Blacksmith/JC/Engineer? Thanks for the tips
Engineering for vendoring is about all I would recommend.
Would lifestealing enchant help on the weapon?
The tool tip says it's less effective for players over 60. Does that mean the wielder?
Or less effective in pvp fights against lvl 70 players.
It means that after YOU hit 61, the enchant does less and less. Most classic enchants do less after 60.
So life stealing would steal less life after 61. Sucks :(
This could be used for boosting quite a few levels too.
Warriors will definitely be capable of boosting come TBC. If they fix pathing in instances then warriors and paladins might be the only major boosting classes. Paladins will probably always aoe farm faster than us, but anything they can do we will probably be able to do as well.
@@TheTandoor they will not fix it for sure. they are not fixing it for almost 2 years.
@@grafflol2 Agreed, I have a mage currently that I have leveled just because of this. A man can dream though.
Would Crest of Retribution deal more dmg than Petrified Lichen?
Sadly no, I think you can actually see it in my bags as it is something I tested. Crest of retribution is quite a bit lower damage than shield spike which did less than half the damage of petrified lichen guard.
So do you need a strong 77% avoidance (via character sheet) for this to work?
I'm not 100% sure I understand the required avoidance.
I'm sitting at 65% avoidance via character sheet.
No sorry, you need 90.4% on your character sheet. You can do this with less, but it will be so slow that its really not worth it.
As Tandoor says in the vid, you get 77% from gear and the 13% from talents, resulting in about 90% total avoidance
Good stuff dude! Keep up the solid work :)
where do u get the sword from ??
Botanica. First boss. Heroic and normal both drop it.
What's the 2nd trinket (not the figurine) ?
Dabiri's Enigma. Increases defense on equip and boosts shield block rating on use 1.5min cd.
The even better trinket option is styleens from bwl.
Any chance you'd do one of these for scholo?
Yo - keep up this quality, you could have a large channel
Actualy "When struck in combat" items are realy good for warrior. Just before farm test how much dmg mobs do, and then lower your block value to a point where you get a partial block. That means every time you block, youll get 1 direct damage and it will proc "When struck in combat" items. It will make your run faster and youll heal your self.
how would you do this in practice?
@@jensjensen7504 Shield block value works 1 to 1. So if lets say you have 400 SBV it means, that every time when you block you absorb 400 dmg. when you go to low lvl instances, lets say mobs do 100 dmg, so with your 400SBV you will absorb all damage when blocked. So simply drop your SBV to 99. It means every time mob hits you and you block, it caunts as a partial block, cause your SBV is lower then mobs attack. It means even tho you block, you recieve 1 damage from mob and rest 99 are absorbed by your SBV. So that 1 damage can proc "When struck in combat" items
@@slapimtakis ty, i did understand the mechanics of it. My question was more in the nature of "how would you calculate this for a particular instance" :)
@@jensjensen7504 Take your shield of and and see how much mobs do hit you for :D
@@slapimtakis haha, i see.. so trial and error :P
would ylu mind sharing the formular how to figure out the amount of avoidance needed for a specific level of mob and how good dodge/parry/block is against them (compare to the shown character sheet values)
Yeah, you can basically add (0.8*(yourLevel - enemyLevel)) % onto the sum of what your character sheet shows for block/dodge/parry/miss.
@@TheTandoor I am a little confused about the wording and I cant seem to figure it out for a lvl 40 mob
there is that blacksmithing enchant that also gives damage absorption
can you go a little more in-depth with what pieces of gear you have and where to get them? earned a sub
How much was the loot at the end?
How much gold farmed ?
Neither of these guides mention shield spike. It's basically doubles the kill time if you're using Lichen Guard
if the engi shield ''breaks'' is it just durability ? or completely obsolete
just durability, you can repair it
@@TheTandoor thx
What items are you using and gems to it? I find 99% avoidance to be almost impossible. Right now I'm on 76% with similar gear (taken by the looks of your char).
the gear sheet refers to avoidance against level 70 mobs, but the mobs you will be fighting are around 58-60, so you should be good
@@RichardPugsley you still want about 90% avoidance on your character sheet. I am currently doing this with a suneater and an extra pair of gloves gemmed for defense. If you happen to have the trinket from BWL its quite easy to reach 100% avoidance.
What is it about Strath that makes it a gold farm per se vs Dark Rune Scholo farming?
Scholo is just harder and the most profitable mobs there are mostly casters.
A big upside to strath is that none of the mobs cc you.
What are the actual pulls in strat just all the normal mobs or?
Once i have the rest of my gear, I'm about 3 pieces away, I will make a video demonstrating the pull. I just need kara to be generous for a week.
Skullflame Shield is not included because as a Warrior vs. a Paladin you don't get +heal?
No, the reason is that just like nagle ring the skullflame shield literally wont proc unless I turn my back to the mobs. It may have value while gathering the mobs but its small proc rate and small heal amount simply aren't worth throwing gold at. I wouldn't take that shield on a pally either though as it's never the intent to face our backs to the mobs. SFS does ok while gathering mobs in lower level dungeons because you don't get instagibbed. As I improve on this I will likely figure out a way to do this in 1-2 pulls instead of 2-3 and at when you are kiting that many mobs getting hit usually means instadeath.
@@TheTandoor if i already have a skullflame shield sitting in my bank on my warrior would you recommend bringing it along for this type of stuff?
@@konradbrochocki4923 no, it won't proc anytime you block, dodge, or parry so the only time it can proc is while you are gather the mobs and potentially get hit in the back. Supposedly in classic sfs wont proc when you get hit in the back either, meaning it won't really proc for us at all. If its already soul bound I'd hang onto it in case we ever find a use for it, but if its not id sell it off
@@TheTandoor Alright, thanks for the response.
Is the back devilshark cape or ironscale war cloak?
Either work, but the ironscale is slightly more avoidance.
@@TheTandoor Yea i managed to figure out it was ironscale you used just by looking at the pattern of ur back. Kind of a long grind to get all the items especially when some of them are kara pieces, but slow and steady i guess.
Do you need multiple shields for this strat? My shield broke in 2 SM runs
Yea I use something like 5 shields per run
@@TheTandoor But which of the shield types specifically? 5 Force Reactive Disks or 5 Sporegarr Shields? Also Shield Spike or 15 Shield Block Rating?
I looking forwad to getting rid of Flask Healing Gear and have more bag space in TBC.
Now it seems I'll be just replacing them slots with block and healing gear :P
Did this back in the og days and did this as a warrior class as prot. Not one pulls in class like a mage but close enough.
Is this footage from the beta or pservers? If it's from the beta, how do you handle the explody corpses?
This is pserver, but it also has the explody corpses. You can block/dodge/parry it on pservers. It looked like you could on beta as well after watching graysfordays stream it so I'm not worried about it. You can also kill the cadavers that spawn very quickly by just adding them into a /tar /cleave macro.
In TBC classic I got 100+% avoidance to lvl40 mobs (SM cath) and I did a run (1pull full cath) I cleared it without much issues. The problem I am facing is that my shield is 32/100 dura in 1 pull. However I do not have 2p t4 yet and the absorb might help with that?
No, we will have to overcome the shield problem. currently I am using 2-4 shields to clear strath and im just eating the repair costs.
I recommend getting multiple sporegarr shields as they are not unique and are quite cheap
@@TheTandoor Guess ill be getting some Mushrooms tonight :)
@@TheTandoor hey, I thought u disappeared! Could u make a recommended list or gear to get? I'm struggling to reach the avoidance needed for strat, seems out of reach even though I have pretty solid avoidance gear (non raid gear tho). Or just show me what ur using? :) Would appreciate it
@@Zs0ltika94 It's not doable without raid gear. I was planning to make another video once I finished my gearset, but here is what I plan to use for it: seventyupgrades.com/set/fP3gzBycFxWFooUug8ESsW
Aha was talking about aoe farming and predicted warriors can in theory do the same thing as paladins and glad to see it being true in reality aswell :P , about the damage taken up to X mechanics , im pretty sure it reduces the damage taken pre reduction calculation so , if the mob does 100 dmg pre calcs, it goes to 80 , then gets reduced by your armor, reduced dmg taken etc... but up to reduced damage taken by X also seems to have some kind of diminishing returns formula not letting you hit 0 damage taken so meh
Pre armor is exactly what I was talking about. Using the mob doing 100 damage and armor cap is a very simple calculation to show how we only get 25% of the value from the earthen elixir.
On the left we have pre armor, and on the right we have the earthen elixir extracted out using the distributive properties of multiplication.
(100 - 20) * 0.25 = (100 * 0.25) - (20 * 0.25)
Here we can see an armor capped earthen elixir provides 5 damage reduction
(20 * 0.25) = 5
As far as a DR to stop it from reducing damage to 0, that I have not tested.
Where does all the damage come from? With paladins, a lot of it is concecration. Are you just relying on the shield for the majority of the damage output?
Yup if you do it all in 1 pull your majority of your damage comes from petrified lichen guard and shield spike. Next is cleave and shield slam/tclap.
How much gold can you make doing this, gold per hour.
And what do you sell to actually make money?
In Strat you can vendor everything or auction the runecloth. 1 Run Strat of the "Main Area" gives around 50g and takes around 12-15 min for Paladins. Warrior are slower i think but you should still be able to do 3+ runs per hour and get 150gph+
In preraid bis I've seen a 9min pally clear. In my warrior set I've managed to get it down to 10min. Both hitting the 5instance lockout and 250g/hr.
What are your avoidance stats though? I've heard we only have 100% when keeping up Shield block.
Awesome video! Could you release a full run that isnt sped up as a reference guide maybe in the future? Either way thanks for letting us know about this strategy.
I will, but I'm trying to wait until tbc classic to showcase much more as doing it on pservers is kind of pointless.
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So warriors can do it but not as fast, as efficiently and with more consumes required?
You dont need consumes but they are nice to have
Not as fast is an understatement in TBC. Pally damage is going to skyrocket in older content when they get some raid gear.
It isn't just about speed either. You don't need to compromise with a prot pally to do this. So the warrior in this video has his tier pieces, but he has to gem for pure avoidance to achieve these results. That means you need to compromise on having a better raid load out in favor of making money, or eventually get 2 extra pieces of T4 (which would take a while) to screw around with. Mix all of that with the fact that a pally doesn't need to downscale at all to survive the encounters, and it is just one big mess of collecting random crap on warrior to achieve far lesser results.
While I find this interesting, it just isn't practical in comparison.
@@someone-ji2zb exactly, this is never going to be efficient.
But about paladins though, if you do compromise to reach the avoidance cap, doable for stratholme in t6 with specific itemization you can pull off some crazy stuff.
@@sanji2158 True, but if you have T6 with almost any class, then you can do way better things than this.
You can practically just farm MC trash with most classes/specs and get a huge amount of value.
T6 scaled way too much and was the start of what we would see lich king take to the next level. Things just get broken.
I've gotten this farm down to ~10min with a single FAP, I don't know if pallies will do any faster in p1. Come P2 gear and we will upgrade our farm to something in tbc content. Any faster than 12min is all really just icing on the cake and I don't think I really need to use the FAP.
How long are the kill times on this
I do it in ~10min. But right now i'm just doing other easier farms while I wait on the last piece I need to make strath easier.
I'd love to see your addons and weakauras
That was on a pserver so its much more updated now
I wonder how much easier it would be using that sword for aoe farming over a spell power sword as a paladin...
Depends on how gear-reliant you want to be. It's only good if it significantly changes dtps, meaning very high avoidance gear.
I have nearly all Phase 1 avoidance gear on my pala; with that I can reach 86.4% avoidance, which is a little under 1% less than what he has in the video. This would put me at 116 spell damage. This would double the time it takes for me to kill mobs compared to my regular farming set. Yes, I'd be night-unkillable, but that doesn't help the farming all that much. It also means you need to bring more shields, since all shields suffer durability loss from blocking attacks.
With that set equipped, when 2-pulling strath, I'd be taking ~dtps. The sword heals for about ~30 hps. So the sword would double my survivability, which is pretty huge. But then again, why? Why would you want to over-gear so much? The point of the farm is to kill the enemies, not get hit as many times as possible without dying. You might conceivably 1-pull strath, but it would take as long as 3-pulling with regular farming gear would, or even longer. You risk the shield breaking during the pull etc. Currently I can do 2 full clears before I have to go repair my shield and vendor all the stuff in my inventory.
Using this over a spell damage sword would in other words be
1: far more costly
2: far more demanding on gear
3: probably slower
4: less risky(if your shield holds)
5: more comfortable
6: probably more fun :P (while getting hit a lot isn't the point of farming, it's fun to look down on those pitiful, useless mobs trying to harm you)
Thank you for the vid. Now i dont feel that bad leveling a Prot Warrior in Phase 6 :3.
Stay safe everyone
Edit: this must be the ultimate Warrior Roleplay expierence. Being a force of nature
@Reclusiarch Grimaldus Corona and in general. Maybe should have wrote stay healthy instead.
We need more videos from you!!
will do once I have the gear needed in classic tbc
do you have a link for your elv ui ?
It’s the standard elv ui
Use shield block?
If you are already avoidance capped it doesn't do anything, and if you are fighting any reasonable amount of enemies at once it has little/no value anyways since it only has 2 charges.
Can you share Revenger proc rate?
revenger procrate is quite low and this farm can be done without it.