Cycling Incidents 68: YT19 EKZ (Close Pass). Police Outcome!
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- Опубліковано 5 лис 2020
- 2020 - Video 68 (WITH POLICE OUTCOME)
YT19 EKZ, YT19EKZ, YT19-EKZ Burton Roofing (www.burtonroofing.co.uk/) 12/05/2020 At 15:25 - travelling East bound on the A657 (just where New Line becomes Carr Rd) heading from Greengates Bradford in the direction of Calverley Leeds... The "Burton Roofing" HGV, REG: YT19 EKZ passed me with literally centimetres to spare... I do not know what this driver was thinking. This pass was utterly criminal and really freaked me out. Genuinely thought I was going to die. At the time of the event I was shocked, but when I watched the footage back I felt sick to my stomach. Police were equally shocked by the footage, and summoned the driver to an interview. The driver apparently apologised initially saying he was sorry to hear the cyclist was so scared, but insisted he had done nothing wrong and that cyclists shouldn't be in the road if they scare so easily. The driver was then shown the footage, at which point the police were appalled to report that he still denied any wrong doing. The police explained that had he demonstrated an understanding of what he did wrong and shown remorse, they would've gone back to me, the cyclist, and discussed going the route of a caution. The driver became more indignant at which point he was asked to accept an Fine of £100 and 2 points on his license. The driver refused and told the police based on the video evidence this would get thrown out of court. The courts doubled the points and fine. What saddens me - this is anecdotal evidence I can't erase from my world experience that there are some truly cold, cruel and deluded folk on our roads. Even in the face of disciplinary action/conviction, this maniac was still happy to push on with their warped anti-cyclist agenda of promoting fear and violence on the roads.
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As a lorry drive I have found cyclists will happily let you pass them if you show courtesy to them and don’t bully them, work together, not against each other, stay safe on the roads.
Great to hear! If everyone had your mindset there would be way fewer accidents and less stress on the road
Lovely attitude there- brilliant.
I'm a cyclist of many years and a car driver ..so many near misses and arguments with the offenders .....wish everyone driving had your mind set mate well put thank-you
Paul Fearns
Well said sir. I try to get out of the way in difficult to pass sections of road unless someone tries to force past.
If there were only many more drivers like yourself, Paul. Good man.
Sadly, being 'discourteous' to many entitled drivers by preventing, or even trying to prevent them them from overtaking in dangerous places, seems to give them the green light to kill and maim cyclists.
I’m a professional lorry driver & acting manager. If that came across my desk, someone’s in serious trouble. Happily conduct an interview, & pass up to 2nd line management as they can dismiss! Were it an agency driver, not even an interview, just straight on to the Non-Preferred list.
I’ve on occasions driven 3 miles averaging 10mph safely behind a cyclist on country roads, (cue song by C W McCall), rather than risk an unsafe overtake.
Point to note, you can also ask Police to involve the Traffic Commissioner, whom has the power to revoke Group 2 licences & operator licences.
Edit, spelling
Faith in humanity restored. Thanks Paul, and thanks for the tip re the Traffic Commissioner. Sorry to read you were put in a strung out situation behind a cyclist for such a length of time - the done thing would have absolutely been for the cyclist/s to pull in periodically to let traffic by and keep the flow going. I believe if a cyclist is doing 10 mph or under and isn't making an effort to share the lane, then it is considered causing an obstruction. The only time I'd ride in a primary position consistently would be if I was keeping up with the vehicle in front or if I knew I was keeping to the speed limit. In this particular clip I'm receiving lots of negative comments suggesting I should've in someway yielded to the HGV. I'm not sure if this clip has been shared on some dodgy facebook group for marauding top gear fans or something, but what these commenters probably don't appreciate is I was riding (and do ride) passively, leaving plenty of room to show my willingness to share the space in the lane and allow for overtaking when there's space.
@@MiseEnZheng The traffic commissioner takes this sort of behaviour extremely seriously. It would take very good defence to mitigate that appalling driving. if this came onto my desk i would have no hesitation to suspend the driver.
@@keshatton2334 thanks for the info KES. Does the traffic commissioner's involvement extend to all professional drivers then, such as taxi's and couriers as well, or is it specific to HGVs? Also, is it as simple as mentioning to the police during a report that you want them to also escalate to the traffic commissioner?
@@MiseEnZheng traffic commissioners are responsible for licensing and regulating operators of heavy goods vehicles (HGVs), public service vehicles (PSVs) and local bus services. They can also take action against their drivers.
They can call a formal public inquiry in a court to get more evidence to help them decide if they should:
grant or refuse licences for HGV or PSV operators
take action against a vehicle operator, bus service operator or driver of a bus, minibus or lorry
Wow! My 1st tagged comment. Thanks
Amazing how many folks here in the comments can justify someone being put in serious danger simply because they're on a bicycle
Yeah, it's a bit grim at times fielding some of the ignorant comments.
Quite, it's beyond me
I do think as cyclists, out of politeness, we should be aware of larger vehicles who might have more difficulty overtaking us and if they are behind us for too long- maybe let them past when it's safe.
But this is a very different situation; the driver just rolled up behind at a speed barely 2mph faster than the cyclist and kept going at the same speed even though it wasn't safe to overtake. A very incompetent driver.
Fully agree. And often/many times I would pull in when it's appropriate to let traffic pass and ease. Sure, cyclists have every right to the lane, but there's no reward for being stubborn or belligerent. This particular case, I really didn't realise the HGV was there as it was keeping well back at first and I was having to concentrate on road conditions in front of me. Immediately after the bend in the road everything straightens out and the road widens, but the driver purposely timed this really obnoxiously.
I can probably say for a lot of cyclists that they usually know the road ahead and will either let traffic past if they know there’s a long stretch where it would be dangerous for cars to overtake them, or they will take the road and give it back soon enough when it is safe for cars to overtake. The problem is, there are drivers that get agitated and impatient and overtake when they could instead wait perhaps just ten more seconds for the road to open up.
@@oliverpolden Absolutely, I was aiming to take the fastest line through the corner to create opportunities for a safe pass sooner. Would just mention that the LGV was keeping its distance too at first, my eyes were firmly fixed on the road and road conditions ahead, so until it made its move to pass me I was unaware it was behind me. I caught up to the Vehicle multiple times until our Journey went separate ways in Kirsktall. There's a big difference between making it hard for vehicles to pass on a long stretch of uninterrupted rural national speed limit road, and going through suburban sprawl with multiple traffic lights, road works, 20 mph speed limits etc. Bikes are ultimately faster and more adapted in that environment - never an excuse to punishment pass.
As a truck driver myself, I make a point of giving cyclists one half of the road, at least before I pass. It doesn't bother me if I have to follow for a while!! Whats the hurry??
Great outcome! He's a disgrace to the profession.
We need more truck drivers like you.
I'm a cyclist and a lorry driver,I drive mainly central London so I see it from both sides, this driver should have been charged with dangerous driving !!! He got off lightly in my opinion!!!
Good shout mate.
Thanks michael. I have no doubt that you get put in a lot of stressful situations while driving the lorry by the glut of cyclists in london who make really unsafe decisions. You probably need to have the patience of an absolute saint.
Thank god, someone with a bit of road sense making the correct statement. I'm not a cyclist, but they are like me are road users and have every right to position themselves in the road to avoid confrontations with motor vehicles. Saying he should have stopped or slow down is ludicrous and just shows a total lack of understanding of "how it works" between road users. "The safe thing to do" was the responsibility of the lorry driver not the cyclist. Offering advise that is wrong and out of context isn't being helpful.
@@johnaustin6649 I've been having a row with an armchair critique in the comments of this video over just that (a commenter called feeling moovey)... it's either a very adept troll who knows exactly what is going to get under someone's skin, or they're just really dense.
Three years ago, I had a similar outcome with a taxi driver, who refused to give me priority on the road. At road junction, and I'm going straight ahead, but on the other side of the junction, is a taxi, and turning right. The taxi driver clipped my wheel, and shouted at me, and then drove of. I was lucky as when I moved of the light were just changing to green, but had they been green, I would have been cycling faster, and think it would have been a fatal accident
I contacted thee taxi company and asked for a video apology, but the driver refused as he thinks he done nothing wrong. I even quoted the highway code, and why he was in the wrong. I asked a further two times for an apology, but he refused, and he was seeking legal advice
We eventually ended up in court, and all my emails and video were presented to the court. The final outcome he was given 6 points and a £500 fine, and the police removed his taxi licence
Now had he apologised, he would still have his licence, but he chose to challenge this
You failed to wait for the green light before proceeding. Therefore this was your own error and fault not the taxi drivers. Read the Highway Code soon
@@jeremyjones3764 confirms that the cyclist has jumped the lights
@@seansean9675 Reread it - he moved off as the lights were just changing to green. If he approached the junction as they were already green, he'd have been going faster and had a more serious collision. Sorry if it were you losing your taxi driver's license.
@@gamerknown you took the time to reconfirm the cyclist jumped the lights. you should watch the video
So you decided to behave like a total cunt because you didn't get the grovelling apology you kept demanding?
It's often best to take the lane and only move to the side when there is space for a safe pass. Drivers may think you're arrogant etc. but it's safer.
Yeah, there's a few comments and a bit of debate about my position in this clip in this comments thread. Truthfully, damned if you do damned if you don't. My position was such that I was trying to take a line through the bend that would see everyone out of the congested narrow section as quickly as possible - I knew the road straightened and widened immediately after the corner - I used to ride demonstrating a willingness to allow folk to pass, but I can't account for the ones who choose to do so in a terrible way anyway. There have been times when I have ridden assertively and the traffic behind did not know what to make of it, and I have incurred the typical "why are you in the middle of the road?" Road rage that you often see. Road bikes are pretty rare on the suburban and urban areas around bradford and Leeds, and really angry, really bad, really impatient, really immature drivers are a dime a dozen. When I rode, it really was just constant aggro.
@@MiseEnZheng Yeah, the 'get off the road, ride in the gutter' types are always going to critical no matter what you do.Thier position isn't reason based, there's no point trying to appease them. I think riding in the safest position is always the way to go. There may be the odd driver that doesn't get defensive riding, but isn't a biggot, they should understand what you're doing when you make room for them to overtake when there's space to do so.
My wife was pedaling her electric fat tad trike in Idaho Falls and got as far over as she could. A driver rear ended her at 37 mph, pinwheeling her 67 feet. She ended up slammed into the curb and broke six ribs. She was a 🇺🇸 Soldier for 7 years so she called her boss to let her know that she wouldn't make it to work that day. Then she called our son to pick up her fat tad etrike. Alert leadership on your health status then secure your equipment. Wait to call the man you have been married to 25 years and have 3 kids with, and he bought you 3 homes. 😄 She is recovering and looking forward to get her fat tad etrike replaced. Her fat tad etrike was totaled but saved her life. The driver got a citation. 😳
If he (the lorry driver) had just shown some patience there would have been a safe opportunity to pass, just look at the distance he gave to parked cars compared to the distance he gave the cyclist, a poor driver picking on a soft target ... needs education, heft fine may help with that.
One of the most dangerous close passes I’ve ever seen. Glad the driver was punished although think the punishment was too lenient. Lorry could have sucked you under its rear wheels … 😡
Cyclists, whether pedal or motor, have a right to be on our roads, like any car or truck - it is imperative that people driving bigger machines, give enough leeway when passing or overtaking cyclists. Cyclists should endeavour to wear helmets equipped with camera, so that police can possibly bring these bad motorists to court, or fine them. Thanks for sharing video. Keep safe.
Cyclists should also stop at red traffic lights , give way to pedestrians using crossing , not cycle on the pavement , but they do all of those things yet they think their saints.
@@glynjones5280 Car drivers should stop speeding, using their phone while driving, tailgaiting, close passing cyclists and horse riders, but they do all of those things yet think they're king of their road in their financed Audi A3 diesel.
@@glynjones5280 Some do , but these are plebs on bikes , not cyclists
@@boywarrick Also there are good and bad drivers . I do not own a diesel , and all my cars are paid for outright , no finance ever involved .
Shouldn’t be driving with Amber beacons on either.
I would like to think his employers had something to say about it....
I have just viewed this a second time and it gets worse. Did you ever pursue this with his employer ? Call be a vindictive bastard but such a premeditated move with such a shockingly bad response merits a larger punishment than he received from the justice system
That looked very dangerous, he basically left you zero space. Should of been given an instant ban for his actions and his attitude towards cyclists. Take care!
I'd love to know what Burton Roofing thought of his driving and of the extra they now have to pay for insuring him.
Let me know if you ever find out haha. The manufacturer of my cameras have also been sharing the clip around, so the company name is pretty smeared.
Should've been disqualified.
Should also have been done for running amber flashing lights unnecessarily. I drive heavy trucks and that was too close and undeniably classed as bullying. Sure his company are overjoyed at their name being plastered on UA-cam.
Interesting point about the flashing lights... not sure his company have the intel to realise the world wide web exists.
So you'd grass him to his boss.....
About your level...
@@jimgoodwin6294 with driving like that I'd be more than happy to grass him up to his boss. It's obvious he lacks respect for other human beings but maybe a hard wrod from his employer will make him drive in a safer manor and in tun just save someone's life.
@@nickh3533 Course you'd grass him up - surprised you don't want him executed...
Not as if cyclists do anything wrong.....
@@jimgoodwin6294 As Class 1truck driver of 27 years myself I feel qualified to comment. I am also a cyclist and a car driver. Most cyclists are car drivers too.
There are bad drivers and bad cyclists. We are here today commenting on this UA-cam video which shows a bad driver that endangered someone's life in a 26 ton truck!
Worth following up with the Office of the Traffic Commissioner in Leeds...the TC may well wish to suspend the driver's vocational licence for a while given he has been convicted for an offence while driving an LGV.
Hi Richard, Would they be able to do this so many months after the incident?
@@MiseEnZheng Yes...they can only start their investigation into his conduct once the legal process is complete. They have the power to suspend his vocational truck licence for a period on conduct grounds.
@@richardsimpson3792 Hi Richard. Thanks alot, I have forwarded all of the information, crime reference number/footage PC in charge of the investigation to the Leeds Traffic Commissioner now. If there is any update, I will stick it in the video description. Were the driver to have admitted they were at fault, Imight have just let the police deal with it, but the PC stated that their attitude was just as bad as their driving... which makes me worry there's a HGV driver out there with no idea how to safely handle their vehicle and is probably still getting too close to cyclists.
@@richardsimpson3792 They can also sanction the employer if it is felt that his disciplinary and driver monitoring procedures are not robust enough to stop this type of conduct ; a large haulage firm here in Scotland had their operators licence suspended after being found not to be fit and proper persons to hold it . Even seen the film 'Hell Drivers' ? see link ua-cam.com/video/7Qb8K1qClyA/v-deo.html
It should have been a heavier fine and more points, I lost a friend in the early 60s in the same circumstances, literally only could be identified by his shoes, horrific scene
That's devastatingly sad mate. Sadly trauma is waiting around every corner these days. Impossible to cycle with pure 100% optimism.
Only 4 points? I am sure since update of Highway Code that driver should get a least 6 points (scale of between 3-9) and that's before going to court. He wanted to challenge it then I would hope given that he was in a massive lorry and the total lack of care and consideration a magistrate would then slap him with 9 points, plus fine, plus surcharge for wasting the court's time. He knew what he did but did not care a jot: you were in his way. An absolutely disgraceful overtake that could very well have killed you.
A depressingly common occurance . As others have commented the punishment handed out is pathetic considering the possible outcome of this type of avoidable endangerment .
Many thanks for sharing the video, the driver was totally in the wrong and was lucky the courts decision wasn't harsher.
Thanks Paul. 👍🏻
Very close!😱
I am happy to see that this was carried to the end, an appalling piece of driving from a so called Professional Driver. Regardless of troll in here who will go to such lengths to write utter drivel just to get a response. I wish you the best GTXFb Cycling keep going my friend, keep going. ~Trooper
In the Boston, Lincs area 7/10 lorry drivers on the road are great. Professional, responsible and considerate. I often pull over and wave them to pass me where and when appropriate. The driver in this video does his profession no good at all.
Cheers Merson. Indeed, to actually generalise, lorry drivers are often the most interesting and wonderful folk. Their work can be very solitary and I think their experience with their own company makes them introspective, wise and well rounded.
Horrible driving, well reported and hope lesson was learned (and can be learned by others without getting points and fines)!
*Flipping Heck!!*
I'll be honest with you, I was expecting another of those _"oh yeah, it doesn't look that bad"_ type of close passes. But OMG, I actually winced and held my breath as the truck brushed past you. Just pause the video at 1:31 and see how close the wheel nuts of the final wheel are to the camera!
What surprised me though is that he seemed to hold back for a good minute being a good citizen before deciding to overtake you. But then goes and tosses it away with the closest pass I think I've seen on UA-cam. I'm amazed you didn't actually make physical contact (i.e. brush the dirt of his sides with your arm). And I think the Police initial "offer" of 2-points and £100 fine was a bit low anyway, it should've started at the £220 and 4 points in the first place...
Hi Mark. Cheers for the comment. Indeed, some passes feel worse than they look... the camera doesn't always accurately capture the binaural experience of the sound of a car rushing up from behind, your ears get trained to pick up whether a car behind you is moving out or not. Also the turbulence and movement of air around you. Especially on some of these lighter bikes, when dealing with the elements you can be braced for cross winds or head winds, and then if something screams by 2 ft away (which wouldn't look close) it has a physical effect of basically whipping you with heavy gust of air which can really challenge your handling skills...
Weirdly, even though this was scary, it was kind of like experiencing my own death in slow motion... it didn't cause me any shock or a particularly nasty spike in adrenaline or anything like that, which some less close but higher speed passes really do... it did however put me off riding for a while after I reviewed the footage. At the time I was riding to do errands both for my work and my family. My dad is really poorly, so on this trip I was out to pick up his prescription. As it wasn't too long after lock down, I volunteered to collect and deliver laptops to colleagues who didn't have anything to work on from home... as an excuse to be able to get out on my bike more than just the recommended 1hour of exercise.
Point being, I felt my health and life was challenged with absolutely no provocation while I was doing what I felt was the right thing and perhaps a good deed. This kind of thing can really sour in the mind.
He only held back because there was no possible way to pass him up until that point. Then acted like an idiot as soon as he had a sliver of space.
@@MiseEnZheng It sounds to me like a private prosecution against the driver for damages due to trauma might be worthwhile. It certainly scared the crap out of me! 😱
BELL END SHOULD HAVE LOST HIS LICENSE OR AT LEAST TAKE THE 2 AND £100.
Sounds a thick cxxt to me, 2 points is nothing for such dangerous driving.
Its a shame he wasnt disqualified, clearly he,s not safe.
I know right? Alarm bells when someone does that and genuinely believes they've done nothing wrong.
That driver should have lost his licence for that manoeuvre! There is absolutely no excuse for that sort of driving.
By the way, I'm not a cyclist, but was a truck driver for over 40 years.
Well Said.......Some so called drivers are hateful , nasty & arrogant pieces of work, not a feeling of 'God given' conscience & morality. So called 'bullying power for evil' drives them on, sub standard humanity!!
@@mrgoodintent the driver got aggressive when he was shown the footage
That's one of the worst passes I've seen, and the driver's attitude makes it even worse. I'm pleased police and the courts did their bit. Very glad you didn't get hit! I was flinching as I watched.
The police/courts didn't do their bit, £100 and 2 points is more than lenient
Simply awful. I actually shuddered at how close he was. Complete disregard for others
This was dangerous driving not careless or without due care, the police and some others commenting on this site would have that view if it happened to them. We are far too lenient in this country with car drivers who endanger others be that Close passing, speeding or overtaking into path of oncoming vehicles all of which are well documented on cameras nowadays. Shame on the drivers involved, shame on the police who won’t do their job and the politicians who should be holding them accountable and shame on those individuals who try to excuse the behaviour of these drivers.
Thanks mate. 🙏🏻 - I agree. The motorist who ended my cycling career in April 2021 (and subsequently pretty much ruined my life) also only got "without due care and attention" - even though they accelerated through 2 give ways into an active dual carriage way without making observations when they hit me. Two camera angles caught the incident... he was also heard by the camera repeatedly lying stating I had come off the footpath into his vehicle. He got 6 points and £500 fine (I got a caved in rib cage, punctured lung, torn aorta, haematoma's on my liver and spleen, a fractured arm which needed surgery and 18months of rehab, a heavy case of PTSD, developed a dependency on alcohol, became obese, became toxic to be around, my fiancee left me for another man, my children dislike me, I'm under-performing in my job... have no social life... and yeah... while I was in hospital this video was still drawing in trolls). Grim.
@@MiseEnZheng so sorry to hear about what happened to you. Your experience is why I can’t stand it when people try to trivialise bad driving, and our politicians, particularly, and our media categorically refuse to address it.
Sounds like a horrible truck driver not having any concern about you in the interview
Been passed this close on numerous occasions. Nowhere to go only slow down and hope for the best. Absolute moron should have been banned for a year. Not sure his firm would bother waiting for his return.
Good job. Well done. As others have said, the fines handed out in the UK are too soft. It's as if someone has to be killed or seriously injured in order for the courts to take bad driving seriously. Even then it's often suspended sentences or fines.
Yeah, I do think a combination of a GOOD road safety campaign, involving tv and radio adverts plus stricter laws, specifically on close passes should be implemented if they're serious about getting more folk out and pedalling. Easy reporting, and then a simple streamlined administration for reviewing evidence and then prosecuting.
Fucking hell, I thought that pass was bad, but these comments are shocking! If you'd hit a bump or an obstacle it'd be game over. Shockingly bad driving!
Hey buddy. Tell me about it!? I'm wondering if this clip has been shared on some facebook group for delusional bitter HGV operators, as I'm getting daily comments suggesting I should've pulled over/I was at fault. I despair!
Nothing like a youtube comments section to remind you that plenty of drivers out there think there's nothing wrong with this awful driving. This is why I assume the worst when out and about on my bike. Stay safe!
Tell me about it! Even when I'm in a good head space, it's not long before someone does something to endanger me and utterly sour the mood. Got to keep at it though...
I've said it many times before Tim, it's unlikely that things will improve for cyclists until someone (or their child) is killed by a criminal driver.
Wasn't there a case in Bristol some years back when two riders of a tandem were killed by an idiot driver? Do I recall correctly he was fined the eye-watering sum of £35?
Or how about the North Wales club group who were skidded into by a car with defective tyres, sustaining several deaths? The local Chief Constable could hardly restrain himself a few hours later when he declared it a regrettable accident!
EDIT: I obviously meant to include the words 'wealthy or famous' after "someone."
Dang that was close. They doubled his fine. Justice.
*injustice
I said it on the last one of these too, glad you got a result, but if it were up to me this would be considered attempted murder and would result in jail time and a lengthy ban.
I COMPLETELY agree. Many don't understand that teasing and bullying people by getting too close just feels like being teased with attempted murder. In a world where many people like this driver completely get away with it, I'm glad that while on a job this geezer got collared...
Clearly its a bad overtake but wanting to class it as attempted murder get a grip of your self you absolute fuckwit!
On the basis of this incident and his response I’m not sure this driver should be allowed behind the wheel of anything, let alone a truck. His decision making doesn’t seem to be very good.
same goes for the twat of a cyclist
@@marktyler2396 why is the cyclist a twat ?
Agreed should not be allowed a truck licence or car for that matter, penalty no where near severe enough
"This solid video evidence will never hold up in court, I dare you to try and have me prosecuted!"
What a prat.
The reason less "cyclists" are dieing on UK roads today is not because the roads have become a safer place for other road users beyond those who drive powered vehicles. It is exactly the opposite. I now try and avoid any busy trunk road as they have become in my view"death zones", where I take my life in my hands when forced onto them due to no alternative. The reason that today, the death of "cyclists" is at an all time low, is because we have been forced to self exclude ourselves from major parts of the road network due to fear of aggressive, lethal driving , encouraged by some in the UK establishment , imbued with an utterly hostile attitude to road users outside of the entitled car driving public. The Daily Mail has been quite strident in its editorial hostility to "cyclists" or anyone else advocating a sensible transport strategy for this sick land. As ever the European Union and its many members are a hundred years ahead of UK, when it comes to inclusive transport policies, things can only get worse, or better if u are an entitled SUV driver, tearing the roads up , desperate to get the kids to school, as u run over a much loved cat.
It's depressing but it's true. I was in an RTC in April last year and was told by a thoracic surgeon 9 out of 10 people die of the injuries I sustained at the road side. I was loving my riding, and diligent about safety. I had built a custom whip for the roads that handled beautifully... agile fast and durable. 7 years road cycling under my belt, regularly riding upward of 300 miles in a week. I used to work with/help and encourage others who wanted to take up riding. Many of whom the barrier was that the roads were unsafe. Now I will never ride again. Nearly a year since the collision, and I'm still physically and mentally recovering. I'll eventually put the footage and a video about it all up on this channel. Not to dissuade cyclists, but just as a cautionary tale to any road user that thinks the safety of others doesn't apply to them.
Should be a 6 month ban
That was horrific driving . It must have scared the crap out of you . It would send me a bit nutty in more ways than one . Well done on sticking to your guns, it sounds like the driver was a particularly vile individual who will probably learn no lessons from this encounter . Stay safe
What was all that caper with the flashing yellow lights? Is it a recognised signal of some kind, or was it just a case of "let me through, I'm an entitled p***k"?
Another HGV driver pointed out to me in these comments that those hazard lights were being used entirely incorrectly there. The only message using them in broad daylight in flowing traffic sends out is as you say - "I'm a big truck, get out of my way".
More likely the driver had just done a road side delivery or been on a site where they were mandatory and forgot to turn them off.
The driver should be happy that the judge didn't considered this an attempted murder.
I’m from the states and I’m curious how this works there. So if you have video evidence of violations on the road, is the vehicle owner automatically assumed to be the driver or do you have to also prove who was driving for the charges to stick?
Great question and one that I am pleased that I can answer. Hehe.
So in the UK you can only drive a vehicle that you are insured to drive. It's a criminal offence otherwise. I think this is the first area where things differ slightly with the states. The very first thing after a member of the public submits evidence of an offence being committed is the police write to the registered keeper of the vehicle asking them to nominate who was driving at the time of the offence. The letter is called an NIP (Notice of Intent to Prosecute). If the registered keeper doesn't respond to this request within 4 weeks then they receive a court summons and end up receiving the full prosecution themselves, as well as having to pay the court fees... so what could've been dealt with via an educational course, or £100 fine and 3 points very often ends up costing closer to £1000 and they'll take 6 points, as the fixed penalty issued by police in prosecuting is almost always more lenient than the court's view.
The problem with the system is it is slow, and sometimes if the offence is relatively minor and the registered keeper just takes the "If I ignore it, it will go away stance." It sometimes just does, as our Police is hugely underfunded here in the UK land they have much more important work to be doing than simply straightening folk out for minor traffic offences... frustrating, but that's just how it is right.
This is why I pretty much constantly take the entire lane and decide for the driver when it is safe to pass.
Defensive riding is your only protection, same as on a motorcycle
Yep, like assume nobody on the road has read the highway code or even has a licence...or has eyes 😂 because there's drivers out there that dont seem to have any of those
@@xDRAGONSHAGGERx Sound advice, stay alive.
Hopefully you pull over to let traffic pass from time to time?
@@rogerfrancis65 I ride a cycle and a motorcycle and used to do motorcycle training. The difference of course in defensive riding on a motorcycle is that you can probably keep up with the traffic and speed limits. On a cycle it is always better to keep to the left unless turning right. No good complaining that vehicles don't give you enough clearance when you're riding in the middle of the road.
Wowzers, I paused at the point he was passing, and I don't think there was even room for a cycle between the white line and the vehicle, nevermind an actual safe passing distance. Quite literally if you hadn't taken evasive action into the hatched area the vehicle would have struck your handlebars and with those large wheels also in shot it could have been catastrophic. I came here expecting a mildly close pass being blown out of proportion, and left wondering how anybody thinks they can defend that once they have seen the video.
Almost as dangerous as the cyclist who was hit by a truck in London. What makes it even more sickening is almost all commenters on UA-cam said it was the cyclists fault.
Part of why I'm holding back on posting the video footage that ended my cycling career for good in April 2021... I'm still rehabilitating physically and mentally and commentators frequently wishing harm upon me has been a pretty interesting and destabilising element to cope with.
@@MiseEnZheng post the video, we support you, dont let bad drivers win
@@MiseEnZheng Hope everything works out for you. I haven't cycled for over 20yrs and have been driving for 35 or so years, but by watching these videos on UA-cam it disgusts me the treatment and sickening comments some people give to cyclists.
@@MiseEnZheng You just need the right arguments, such as stating the obvious in an understandable way. I Appreciate the video, it's what people endure every day or give cycling up on. It's a perfect example of "in my perspective there was nothing wrong" and we need to educate people to always care for others.
Just put the truth in their face:
First, the line is NOT to be crossed by any vehicle. Bicycles are treated like any other vehicle in this case. The only difference is, this rider knows it, while others just squeeze by, he bahaves as by the book, stays in the line and is thus safer, more visible and his intentions are more predictable. Anyone who argues with that has no idea how traffic works really.
Think about what wold have happened if the cyclist did cross the line? The truck barely managed to overtake in the short time the line was there (see 2:40). Hence the cyclist can and did make the dicision, to not move over as far as possible, because then he'd be stuck on the shoulder.
And usually, when somebody gets off his lane like you say he should, how would anyone know he's not making a left hand turn? Worst case, the truck starts going by when the cyclist merges back. If the shoulder was any shorter, the truck would have no time to avoid the cyclist who's rightfully going back onto the road.
So, this specific clip might look like the cyclists fault for not using all the space, but rules are not made by good exceptions, but by the bad things that might happen and the most vulnerable people out there, thus, ALWAYS stay in your lane and keep your distance even if it's unfortunate at places. You can also never know what the other party thinks of it, a commentator might be ok with a truck next to them, but their mom or kids might not be, as would be people who actually got ran over in situations like these. The 1.5m rule was made because common sense has to be regulated for some people to actually apply it.
And in the end, even if anybody does a mistake, that's no fucking excuse to run them over.
Very clear footage. Can I ask what camera setup you have please? Looking at getting one for my bike.
I was using the Cycliq Fly12 and Fly6. If I could still ride these would be absolute essentials. They're good because they're also high powered 'see' and 'be seen' lights with impressive battery reserve.
@@MiseEnZheng Thanks 👍
me too@@MiseEnZheng
Two years on from this video and driving in this area has not changed, despite the new Highway Code...
Well done for shaming him too many idiots like this lorry driver without common sense and road awareness not just for cyclists but car users too they are big and think they just rule the road without any care for others. Name and shame them for what they are.
He still got off lightly.
Great stuff! Keep up the camera work, the more of these arrogant drivers we get off the road the better. We must stamp out aggressive driving!
Thanks Colin. I couldn't agree more.
I've had those open studded wheels driven along the length of a car, it made a right mess, looked like it had been in Jurassic Park. Goodness alone knows what they'd do to a person.
Sorry to hear that. It's pretty shocking but HGV's account for 50% of cyclist deaths here in the uk, even though they only make up 3% of the roads... clearly that's because if a colision happens, it's going to be fatal. An alarming amount of cyclists will try and filter up the inside of these things often at their own behest - but even sensible riders will encounter these horrific passes from time to time.
@@MiseEnZheng honestly it has scared me onto the pavement on certain parts of roads. I just don't understand why they don't think it's dangerous to pass like that, maybe because of what they think of cyclists in general (seeing idiot cyclists risking it all breaking highway code). I've been passed by a truck, with much more space than this video, and I got hit with that spike of adrenaline/the feeling of being next to large moving parts. My balance was affected and I almost couldn't keep a straight line anymore, I was straying towards the pavement but then I'm trying to avoid it.. But not so much I stray into the truck.
In that moment it feels like you are about to be consumed my the wheels and you're just waiting for it to happen... But it makes you realise how easy it would be for a simple mistakes to be made that would result in your death.
Thanks for following this through.
I hope he lost his vocational licence when the traffic commissioner found out about it also. Plus Burton roofing OCRS has just hit the pulled by DVSA every time we see ya wagons zone.
What does that mean? Sorry I'm not from the UK
I occasionally chase the traffic commissioner to find out if anything further was done about this driver, but I'm yet to hear back.
Hallo there , how easy is to setup cameras ( I’m not very tech savvy) but keep having incidents with idiotic & unthinking motorists so am thinking of starting to record .
Thanks for your help.
I'd always encourage anyone to explore recording their rides. I feel much more secure and empowered on the road now as result. My recommendations are always the samge, the Cycliq Fly 12CE is agreat handlebar camera with an amazing see and be seen light integrated. It hold lots of charge. For rear view, same company, but the camera is known as the Fly 6. I now also use a Drift Innovations Ghost X on my helmet. Best of luck.
@@MiseEnZheng thanks I’ll have a look at those .
@@MiseEnZheng Nice to see he had been taken to court and handed a fine.
I a cycliq camera but found that water can ingress through the top and kill the camera I now use a Teentok camera with WIFI steaming to my Andoroid phone and it has much better water proofing and longer battery life.
@@dambuster6387 Hey buddy, interesting that your Cycliq took water damage, was it the first generation of the fly 12? I know the CE is the second generation and it makes some bold claims about it's splash-proofing - this Cycliq fly 12 front cam I use has been extremely reliable to date. Battery still performs, still on the same micro sd card... I have mine hung upside down on the handlebars, so, kind of belly up... I will admit, the rear cam (gen 2 fly6CE) stopped working altogether due to water damage, and I've been waiting MONTHS for a replacement (grrrr), but again, they've released a Gen3 of this cam now and it is said to have improved durability... I will check out the camera's you mention. Thanks.
a bit of jailtime would be better or him, £220 is no deterrent . I now strap a camera everytime i ride, i also carry a legal criminal identifier spray, a lot of these idiots like to get out of the car and approach you, i would say that's enough to threaten you and consider your safety so don't hold back , a d lock is also a good equaliser as most drivers will happily pull a weapon from their car . I have 4 pending cases of close passes with the police at the moment . I would also like to remind such drivers to watch your speed as well as distance when passing cycles ,close and slow isn't so bad but you wouldn't like it if i buzzed your wife and kids in a van at 40mph if they were waiting at a crossing
Well Rocky, you cyclists seem to do that all the time. Face it, cyclists are gigantic pain in the arse.
@@diffened plebs shouldn't own cars without an extensive driving course and character scrutiny, like owning a gun. Should also be banned from cities
@@rockgsxr I would say the same could be said for cyclists. Also, cyclists need identifier number vests that need to be warn at all times along with annual tax and insurance.
@@diffened errrr like a skateboard or roller skates, a big fat no. You're only jealous because you're trapped in a consumer web of monthly payments, you don't even own your car, but the state owns you, enjoy sitting in traffic and obeying lines of paint, don't be late for your corporate overlord, we need your tax for more cycle lanes
@@rockgsxr aaaahahahahaaaaahahaaaaaaa.........I own a 1996 vehicle that I haven't had payments on since beginning of 1998. Never worked for a corporation and have no payments except what the government takes from me. When I go to a city it is for my pleasure only and often will just take a train in. If skateboards and or roller skates demand their own lanes and weave through traffic like bikes then yes, tax and registration. And, "we need your tax for more cycle lanes" (which then I will use....or not, as fits my pleasure) is one of the reasons motorists tend to have low regard for cyclists. Enjoy your week and stay safe.
Lorry driver should've had a ban plus heavy fine. No reason for that type of ridiculous and dangerous driving whatsoever. I drive artics for a living and always give cyclists plenty of time and space because I used to cycle a lot. Maybe even put the driver out on a bike for a few months and see how he likes being on the receiving end. If I employed this guy, he'd be sacked on the spot.
Fuck me that was difficult to watch. It had me leaning over to get away from the vehicle!
That should of been a £1000 fine he was way to close
Well done. I once cycled five miles along a dual carriageway to town, never again. Cars and lorries did 60+ with little space between us. Terrifying.
@@tony78uk48 Why not? It’s legal, the Highway Code allows it. Car drivers should be more responsible. Lots of cyclists do use the local A road. The alternative route is much further.
@@tony78uk48 The problem is arrogant drivers such as yourself.
@@tony78uk48 You are very arrogant. And I wouldn’t be surprised if you were dangerous when behind the wheel.
Some A roads are more forgiving than others. There's one between Burley and Wharfedale and Otley down here that is very frequently used by cyclists, I did it the other day and I'm happy to say there's no way in hell I'm doing it again. When an A road is practically a motorway basically is where I draw a line. My nerves can't handle it.
@@tony78uk48 I ended up on an A road the other day that my route planner told me was really popular with cyclists (working off real time data). It was at the top end of a longer 100km loop I was doing for leisure. Once I got on it I was super freaked out... it was not suitable for cyclists at all. So like the original commenter in this thread, I felt way out of my comfort zone and will never use that road again - I will seek alternatives if ever I head out in that direction.
I think that fine is way to low, considering the threat on your life.
Undeniable evidence of scumbaggery - you can see clearly the LGV didn't make any effort to give room and decided to do the overtake despite oncoming traffic, excellent footage, I think he should have been banned.
Definitely punishment pass this one. The bellend should have been banned, been made to cycle and endured a punishment pass like this one. Bet he wouldn't have been such a Billy Big Bollocks then!
That’s how they drive in Bradford.
Have you never been before?
Hahaha, have lived in bradford for 11 years... notice this video was called cycling incidents 68... hehe. The utter tomfoolery of motorists in this neck of the woods never comes as a surprise. Hence the recording.
@@MiseEnZheng I have to say that the coming of dash cameras has stopped people trying to rear end you and claiming you reversed.
Very good. In Germany, the prosecutor says in these cases: no public interest. The procedure is closed.
Result driver's need to start respecting the bike was here long before the car lol.
Respect both ways , and cooperation , is needed
Hi you seem to have had a lot of information from the police about the outcome, did you report the incident directly to the police in person or was there a site where you posted the footage and the police kept you informed I have submitted numerous reports and videos and never heard a thing back….
This was before the safer roads portal in west yorkshire, so I actually called the non-emergency line to report the incident. After describing what had happened to them they allocated me an police constable who I liaised with, they took a verbal witness report from me and reviewed the footage themselves, and as they saw me as the victim, they kept me updated with the prosecution. The police did state to me that they call the driver in for an interview, and that's usually enough, the driver is fully freaked out and then they're apologetic, so the police get back to the victim to see id the victim is happy to drop charges and let them off with a warning. My PC wanted this but said that my video footage didn't show any evidence of an offence, and that he was only sorry that I as a cyclist scared so easily, so the PC was as happy as I was to see him prosecuted at court (especially after saying the judge would "laugh the PC and Cyclist out of the court..."
Guy was just an absolute piece of work.
That is shocking. These big vehicle drivers should have had rigorous training. They won’t just knock a cyclist off their cycle, but any contact is going to be fatal.
And knowing that and having it swimming around in my head every time I ride adds an unwanted level anxiety.
The more videos I see like this the happier I am I moved to the Netherlands
Oh wow, congrats! I hope it's everything we're lead to believe in terms of their world beating infrastructure!
@@MiseEnZheng There is no way that motorised traffic would be permitted to drive at anything like this speed through a residential village in the Netherlands. No need for enforcement as there would be a series of chicanes & speed bumps placed at regular intervals to regulate speed, & of course there would be a wide, continuous well maintained, separated bike lane on a road such as this (without chicanes & speed bumps.... . .
Reminds me of that idiot in the USA that deliberately took out a passing motorcycle because he thought the bike should not pass there. Serious injuries to both rider and passenger.
Even sitting in his stripy suite in the US after being jailed for several years he was STILL pleading that he did nothing wrong!!!
£220 is nothing. Why are we so soft in this country? £1,000 minimum per offence and NO discount for early payment and people might, just might, be more considerate. Wake up UK, please.....
There is also the matter of his present and future employment prospects due to insurance considerations.
No thought for the cyclists safety at all ...... THICK LORRY DRIVER ! ! .... Very pleased he is hit with points and fine !
I love it that you guys can freely show license plates and shame peeps directly on video, since over here my country is protecting asshole driving by having stupid protection laws that forbid showing faces/license plates etc. of cars.
Damn! Which country is that? In this country if a sentence is pending and you share the details, the driver can get away with it... but other than that, the reg isn't considered confidential data...
Japan? Hehe
Love the outcome.
With all the unemployment, I'd love to see "mystery cyclists" being employed to get more cash in for the victim fund!
Awesome result Dude! TFS, GB :)
Well his insurance will not be very pretty for all his vehicles for the next ten years many insurance companies now completing google searches for this kind of behaviour
The driver gave more room to the parked vehicles.
Part of their work is driving a large vehicles, they aren't very good at it are they.
Easy. Hit the driver in the face with a steel bar. Watch his reaction, then tell the angry cry baby, this is what your motoring mentality does to cyclists daily. Once a mushy human enters there vehicle, they are only interested in their own self importance and not another human on the road. I drive 10'000 miles a year, cycle commute inbetween. Drivers simply don't care about other humans who are somebody's daughter or son and could be somebody's father or mother. I want the courts to send the drivers to the bereaved family for life carrying out parent duties and replacing the income they took away from that family.
If only everyone saw it this way!
Good result but should have been banned.
Cameras are so useful
Some times when i am rewatching so of my close calls, the video footage does not make them seem that bad but there is no doubting that footage. Driver should not have over taken when he did.
Thank you, my lord.
Driver was a moron and will most likely lose his license eventually, just hope he doesn't kill someone in the process.
Shocking driving! glad you're alright and got a decent outcome though :)
It does surprise me the amount of people I've seen that sticking up for rogue HGV/LGV drivers or that berate your just for reporting dangerous driving, I suppose one day they'll get their comeuppance in jailtime and/or a serious RTC
Cheers buddy, it seems to come in waves, now and then I'll just start getting heavily trolled. It makes me wonder if there's something like a "w*nkers on bikes" group on facebook or something and someone links to this clip now and then, haha. But if anyone exposes their ignorance I'll just have a bit of fun berating them until they pi$$ off.
@@MiseEnZheng Np :) I'm sure you're already aware that you can see in the analytics page if you're getting traffic from external websites, someone shared one of my videos on pistonheads once, nice chunk of views. heh you've more patience than me, if someone's being that ignorant the ban hammer looms 😂 I've only reported another driver once: ua-cam.com/video/nZFmwkcQ1FU/v-deo.html&ab_channel=Zac%27sDashcam and the number of people defending this guy 😮 even a few death threats which was funny, luckily the rational outnumber the trolls/dumbasses.
@@ZacsDashcam there's some ridiculous wind up merchants out there - that clip was crazy! I always say of chancers like that blue HGV, they need to imagine there's someone as thick as them coming the other way at all blind bends.
@@MiseEnZheng I know, amazing how some people communicate when anonymous, I bet they're the life of the party lmfao. I can only wish blue HGV man comes face to face with a HGV one day! and that your roofing HGV driver gets a skinned elbow from a close pass!
I have every sympathy for the Op in this thread , who had his life endangered by this moron ; this was exactly when I gave up road cycling and now only cycle on designated paths away from traffic . On the other side of the coin , I have no time at all for the vindictive cyclists in some cities , who ride around with cameras , deliberately getting into conflict situations with drivers then dobbing them in to the police ; often regarding phone use in stationary traffic . Much as I disapprove of phone use by drivers , it is not the job of general public to go around obsessively filming them ; one day THEY are going to cause a crash , or be attacked by one of their victims ; I already pointed out to one of the most prolific that if he did this in the USA he'd have been SHOT by now . Ride safely , try to get on with others , and share the roads nicely .
Disappointing result. So many times I've nearly had this with cars on mini roundabouts as well.
Should have been a 12 month ban minimum.
Well, it would've also been reviewed by the traffic commissioner who has the power to revoke HGV licenses, or so I'm told, so maybe this was ultimately pretty costly for the guy.
I wish to God we had this points system in the US.
Quite satisfying watching this
Feel for you brother what a not so nice truck driver.
Well done! More power to your elbow.
The problem here seems to be the road markings - which are out from the kerb - as it goes past the junction - this seems to narrow the road . The lorry seems set up to pass giving more room which then reduces dramatically as the cyclist follows the edge of the white lines to avoid the road junction and the lorry length makesbit cut the corner off making matters worse. Lorry should have held back and let cyclist get past that bit.
Also lorry still had his warning lights flashing , so obviously not fully attentive. Hopefully will be more so in the so in the future now or loose his licence.
The problem here seems to be the HGV driver is not competent enough to hold a valid licence, nothing to do with road markings.
The lorry driver shouldn't have been overtaking at the junction anyway. Plus, he was driving with hazard lights flashing, for no reason. Professional driver? No. A bloke with an HGV licence.
@@malcolmbosanko2007 If it was the lorry Infront and the cyclist approaching from behind faster , would the cyclist refrain from passing as there was a junction - I think not.
I feel the layout of the junction has contributed to this close pass .
The problem here seems to be the lorry driver.
@@winnie6354 "If it was the lorry Infront and the cyclist approaching from behind faster , would the cyclist refrain from passing as there was a junction - I think not."
What has that got to do with the price of eggs? What are you talking about? Are you some sort of mind reader?
If anyone was to open their car doors at around 2:07 - I think you'd be sipping through a straw for a few months. Stay safe.
Funny you should say that, I am currently in hospital with life threatening injuries, although not due to a dooring. Due to a SMIDSY, leaving their junction at an impossible to avoid time. Likely to be my last video and then I'll close the channel.
@@MiseEnZheng oh no
@@Phyoomz I know friend... it absolutely sucks. I'm going to continuing campaigning hard for cycle safety, but I can't put my loved ones through what we all just went through for these 9 days again. I have a small back log of clips which I'll keep uploading over the coming week or so, but as soon as I get the SD footage of the crash back from the police, I'll see what the situation is and that'll be the last clip that goes up.
@@MiseEnZheng So sorry that happened to you. I hope you heal up quickly.
@@MiseEnZheng Sorry to hear that buddy. Stay strong, for yourself and your family. I hope you make a full ad speedy recovery
Please, you be careful! I'd hate anything happen to you, especially by a KNOB!
Sadly, it did... after 6 years of serious riding, in April 2021 I was hit at speed by toyota hilux. I was told by a thoracic surgeon "9 times out of 10, those injuries are fatal on the road side"... hasten to say, I am still in love with cycling, but the idea of ever doing it again haunts and terrifies me.
@@MiseEnZheng
Take your time. Perhaps some day, you'll get back (up on the horse) in the saddle and ride again ... when you're ready. Start with a "bike path". Not sure if you have those but we have very lengthy and varied ones here, ONLY for bicycles, and they usually run along the sides of rivers and streams thru woods with nary a car in sight. Sweeeet!
2:36 need to be out in primary until they is enough room for vehicles to safely overtake, or it will encourage bad drivers to overtake.
Why in situations like this I take primary position, if any one starts beeping I slow down gradually and ask them to pull over for a talk, they soon learn to behave I find
It's true. When I rode, I stayed tight in this corner just to take the fastest line before the road opened back up.
Well done. Let's hope he and his trucker colleagues learn from his negligent driving that they can be caught, and prosecution is the just reward