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Very informational video, thanks for the lesson. Im struggling to apply this to another scenario I ran into recently, however, where my conduit rack was perpendicular to the panel, and offset about 3' to the left of the panel. My conduit spacing was 2", and my KO spacing was around 2", since I was running 9 - 3/4" conduits on the rack. It seemed like I should have used the shrink calculation at the kick, but I still couldn't figure out the adjusted length for each conduit to the back of the 90, taking into account the shrink at the kick. Thanks again for all your content!!
So first let me say that Perpendicular kicks also known as forward kicks is a whole different monster unto its own. See kicks that are parallel to your panel are a lot simpler. I would be here typing all morning if I tried to explain it. I'm probably going to try anyhow. Lol. Your first mistake is thinking that your spacing at the rack is going to be the same as the spacing at your KOs. Never gonna happen. Your spacing at rack predicts spacing at KOs along with degree of bend you choose to go with. Let's try to explain. I'll try to do a video asap. So let's find spacing at KO. 2" divided by Cosine 30°= 2-1/4" roughly (let's say we go with 30°bends). Spacing at ko = 2-1/4" Spacing at rack = 2" This is all center to center ok. Step 2 Your kick is 3 ft right that's what I read. 36" So your first conduit is 36 in kick. But every other conduit will change a little and the little bit that it will change is solved this way. Subtract rack spacing from KO spacing. About 1/4" right? Ok so add or Subtract 1/4" to every conduit kick depending on if the 2nd conduit is going on the inside or outside. Inside add outside Subtract. Step 2 You know how much to add onto your rise (your kick). 1/4" Step 3 Let's figure out where to place the kick. First conduit rise is at 36" @ 30° so multiplier is 2 ( same as offset multipliers) 36x2= 72" Your bend will be at 72" from back of 90° to center of bend. Reminder: You must mark your bender with 30° center mark in order for it to come out right. Shrink: works the same as offsets 36" x 1/4" for 30° bends = 9" If shrink matters on your runs then you might want to add this into your mark at the 72 inch mark. 2nd conduit Everything works the same only thing is the calculation changes slightly because you have to add or Subtract the rise adjustment of the 1/4" back at the beginning that I explained. Which is the difference between rack and ko spacing. So 2nd conduit rise is 36+1/4"= 36¼" Do you calc again 36.25x2= 72.5" From back of 90 that's your bend mark for conduit 2 Shrink for conduit 2 works the same 36.25 x .25 = roughly 9" Again decide if you want to add shrink onto your mark or not. Hope this helps.Can't believe I actually explained it. Now it's just a matter of whether you can understand it. If you have any questions feel free to contact me through any of my social media's. Thanks.
Another great video. One thing though, your 8 in. Kick should've been 16 in. but you marked it at 18 in. Looking forward to your video on the short cut to charting your bender.
For the spacing for the 90s would it supposed to be 4inches from center to center of the conduits? I must not understand something since the spacing you measured is 4inches in between the two 90s Thank you.
Your c to c at the panel is to close. You won't be able to a parallel set of kicks. Even if your conduits are touching and tight together on your rack you probably won't be able to get parallel kicks. In this case you'll just have to kick each conduit individually to hit your target. It can still come out nice and neat while still being professional so long as you do your best and try to keep your kicks all lined up and couplings lined up as well. Hope this helps. Please follow me on: Facebook/holmzlaw Instagram/holmzlaw TikTok/holmzlaw Reddit/holmzlaw LinkedIn/melvinrubio Snapchat/holmzlaw Tradehounds/holmzlaw Discord- discord.gg/cKgE88wW Communities: Reddit/r/conduitology Facebook/artofconduitbending LinkedIn/artofconduitbending
Question bro I am coming out a panel going to a receptacle distance is 17" 3/4 and 90 down 6" to the box the hole in the panel to the wall is 2" 3/8 Will a kick do or a offset I was gonna do a offset then 90 down with a box offset
I think a nice tight kick close to your 90 would look good. Cause then you have to do your boxset into the box. I would do your boxset first then bend the 90. Then measure for your kick
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@@mikew4435 30° = 12" from edge of saddle, 45° = 14-1/2" from edge of saddle. These measurements are for table bender conduit size 3-1/2" emt conduit. Hope this helps.
Quick question. So the scenario for these kicks is the panel being vertical and the pipes coming from the top. What if you’re going into the SIDE of a panel or junction, like horizontal. Dont the 90’s gain, and if so would it be a similar lay out? Like with the pipes spaced 2” and kicking up on the side of a junction.
Ok... so let me start out by saying I apologize for taking so long to get back to you. Beignets I wanted to answer your question thoroughly and I've been very busy this week so again I apologize. Now as far as whether it's the same if your 90s are coming from the top or if they're going from the side of a panel it doesn't matter the calculation still the same. As far as your question about the 90s gaining technically yes there is a gain involved but it has nothing to do with your type of vents when dealing with kicks and the way you measure them. The reason why the game doesn't matter in your case is because you're going to offend The 91st and then measure and place where you want your Kik so the game doesn't affect you at all. Unless you want to place your Kik on your conduit before you bend your 90 stub then that's a totally different story and it would take more explaining to do for me to show you how to do that maybe another video. So to answer your question don't worry about the game that's not going to affect you because you'll be placing your kick after you bend your 90 so no worries I hope this helps. Please tell your co-workers and Friends about the channel and the Facebook group The Art of conduit bending also I'm on podcast now I'll post a link thank you Anchor.fm/holmz-law open.spotify.com/episode/3XlsSvkk5WcQ4UaqWEBcFn?si=bIewiEn9SnWFqc-pM_FMyw
Hey man, love the videos. So I usually do 2 in spacing between my connectors in panels. So what degree bend would I use on my kicks? This is usually for 1" EMT and smaller
For 2 inch spacing btwn conns it would be hard but not impossible. You have to do an unorthodox degree of bend. It would be better if you use either 1 inch btwn conns or even 1.5 btwn conns so that you have 2.5 from center 2 center or 3 inches from center 2 center (we are talking about 1 inch emt for any other conduit measurements are different). You need to watch the video. It would take me forever to text you an explanation. But ill try. If i want 1 inch spacing btwn my conns (then my spacing is 2.5 from center 2 center. Take measurements from center 2 center not btwn conns or you'll have to find what half of the conduit is and add that to your spacing) then ill use 45° bends. My multiplier is 1.414. You need to start with 2.5 inch spacing center 2 center which gives you roughly 1 inch btwn conduits. Thats why is better to take your measurements from center to center when dealing with parallel kicks at least and offsets. Anyway, so 2.5 x 1.414= roughly 3.5 So you'll have 3.5 spacing at the panel when you use 45° bends. Thats only the first step niw that you used 45° bends you also have to use 1.414 (45° multiplier) to multiply your kick measurement. Lets say you need 10 inch kick. So 10 X 1.414= 14.14 So measure 14.14 from back of your 90, 14.14 inches and use center of bend on your bender or it wont come out right. What ever degree of bend you use you have to bend it on the center or it'll come out wrong. Anyway, so your first pipe you bend at 14.14 inches from 90 stub for a 10 inch kick. Your 2nd pipe youll need to kick 13 inches (kick measurement are to center of pipe and center of knockouts). 13x1.414= 18.38 inches from the 90 stub and bend at 45° again at center . Listen you need to watch the video i explain it clearly and so much better there. Im sorry if this doesn't help. With parallel kicks everything has to be calculated if you want nice parallel kicks. Just use a degree of bend that gives you the spacing that you want at the panel and on your rack. Just know that the spacing you have on your rack wont be the same at your panel. Itll depend on the degree of bend you pick for your kick. Hope that helps.
What if your conduits were parallel to your connectors instead of perpendicular? Example is turn your junction box 90 degrees so that your knockout holes are parallel to the strut.
I apologize for taking so long to respond. So if i understand you correctly. If your knock outs are perpendicular then the way tou figure out what the spacing will be after the bends at the ko's is as follow: You need to know degree of bend and center to center spacing. Formula Center to center spacing ÷ cosine of (degree of bend angle) = spacing by ko's for perpendicular orientation of conduits. Example 6 ÷ cos (45) = 6÷ .707 = 8.49 8.49 = 8-1/2" Ko spacing for perpendicular = 8-1/2" MAKE SURE CALCULATOR IS ON DEGREE MODE. I really hope this helps. Follow me on Facebook instagram @holmzlaw. Im also on tiktok snapchat. Anchor.fm/holmzlaw
At the end of the 90s, they're 4 inches apart because you said that it doubles (by using a 30 degree bend). What would my degree of bend be if I want to maintain a 2 inch spacing (insead of 4 inches at the panel....where the 90s are at?
You have to work the formulas and see. sometimes with the degree method its a little difficult when you need specific spacings. it works best when you can make your own knock outs on boxes or panels. You just have to work the formulas. I gave you all the multipliers its the same as offsets. So if 30 degrees doesn't work with a multiplier of 2 try maybe 45 deg. with a multiplier of 1.4, just play with the spacing and multipliers till you get what you need.
I have a question for you. In your video you used small kicks, what do you do if you have a large kick, say like 20 in. You now have to mark your pipe at 40 in. if you're doing 30 degrees. Doesn't that become awkward if you're trying to make your 90 parrallel to the floor?
Then use 60 degree which for a 20 inch kick itll give you 24 inches. Just change the degree of kick it will change the multiplier. You need to watch part 1 of this video.
Klein's ductile iron benders have center marks for 30°, 45°, and 60°. As far as I know, those are the only benders that come with those marks from the factory.
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I always wanted my parallel kick runs to look uniformed. I think you are the only one who has shown a vid of this thank you
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i made a mistake on conduit 2 i was supposed to mark it at 16" not 18".
I ended up bending another one for the last clip in the video and forgot to edit the measurement of 18". Sorry guys.
can't wait to see your example of parallel kicks and finding centers with the Hydraulic bender
Bro, I would measure and install for you anytime. Most books don’t cover parallel kicks, Thanks for sharing.
Thank you brother, Great video.
Thanks for watching
Very informational video, thanks for the lesson. Im struggling to apply this to another scenario I ran into recently, however, where my conduit rack was perpendicular to the panel, and offset about 3' to the left of the panel. My conduit spacing was 2", and my KO spacing was around 2", since I was running 9 - 3/4" conduits on the rack. It seemed like I should have used the shrink calculation at the kick, but I still couldn't figure out the adjusted length for each conduit to the back of the 90, taking into account the shrink at the kick. Thanks again for all your content!!
So first let me say that Perpendicular kicks also known as forward kicks is a whole different monster unto its own. See kicks that are parallel to your panel are a lot simpler. I would be here typing all morning if I tried to explain it. I'm probably going to try anyhow. Lol. Your first mistake is thinking that your spacing at the rack is going to be the same as the spacing at your KOs. Never gonna happen. Your spacing at rack predicts spacing at KOs along with degree of bend you choose to go with. Let's try to explain. I'll try to do a video asap.
So let's find spacing at KO.
2" divided by Cosine 30°= 2-1/4" roughly (let's say we go with 30°bends).
Spacing at ko = 2-1/4"
Spacing at rack = 2"
This is all center to center ok.
Step 2
Your kick is 3 ft right that's what I read. 36"
So your first conduit is 36 in kick. But every other conduit will change a little and the little bit that it will change is solved this way. Subtract rack spacing from KO spacing. About 1/4" right? Ok so add or Subtract 1/4" to every conduit kick depending on if the 2nd conduit is going on the inside or outside. Inside add outside Subtract.
Step 2
You know how much to add onto your rise (your kick). 1/4"
Step 3
Let's figure out where to place the kick. First conduit rise is at 36"
@ 30° so multiplier is 2 ( same as offset multipliers)
36x2= 72"
Your bend will be at 72" from back of 90° to center of bend.
Reminder:
You must mark your bender with 30° center mark in order for it to come out right.
Shrink: works the same as offsets
36" x 1/4" for 30° bends = 9"
If shrink matters on your runs then you might want to add this into your mark at the 72 inch mark.
2nd conduit
Everything works the same only thing is the calculation changes slightly because you have to add or Subtract the rise adjustment of the 1/4" back at the beginning that I explained. Which is the difference between rack and ko spacing.
So 2nd conduit rise is
36+1/4"= 36¼"
Do you calc again
36.25x2= 72.5"
From back of 90 that's your bend mark for conduit 2
Shrink for conduit 2 works the same
36.25 x .25 = roughly 9"
Again decide if you want to add shrink onto your mark or not. Hope this helps.Can't believe I actually explained it. Now it's just a matter of whether you can understand it. If you have any questions feel free to contact me through any of my social media's. Thanks.
Another great video. One thing though, your 8 in. Kick should've been 16 in. but you marked it at 18 in. Looking forward to your video on the short cut to charting your bender.
Yes i know sorry about that. I caught too late. had to bend it over. When i put them side by side didnt look right.
Thank you so much! Your videos have helped me alot. 🙏
how do you get your 30 degree center bend?
What do I use if I want 2 inch spacing at my 90s
Just deduct the 2" after the first 90
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For the spacing for the 90s would it supposed to be 4inches from center to center of the conduits? I must not understand something since the spacing you measured is 4inches in between the two 90s
Thank you.
What if your kick needs to go on the short side?
Then you will need to add a coupling and kick a straight piece of conduit.
what happens if spacing c to c at panel 2 inch .use a 45
Your c to c at the panel is to close. You won't be able to a parallel set of kicks. Even if your conduits are touching and tight together on your rack you probably won't be able to get parallel kicks. In this case you'll just have to kick each conduit individually to hit your target. It can still come out nice and neat while still being professional so long as you do your best and try to keep your kicks all lined up and couplings lined up as well. Hope this helps.
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Question bro
I am coming out a panel going to a receptacle distance is 17" 3/4 and 90 down 6" to the box the hole in the panel to the wall is 2" 3/8
Will a kick do or a offset
I was gonna do a offset then 90 down with a box offset
I think a nice tight kick close to your 90 would look good. Cause then you have to do your boxset into the box. I would do your boxset first then bend the 90. Then measure for your kick
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What if I’m using a Chicago bender?
Great video !
Can you make a video on becoming a member, how much it costs, and what it includes? Thank you
I have it on my list of video's to do already. You're right, this is something that I need to do ASAP. I will personally let you know when it's done. Thanks again for watching my video's and most of all for the comment.
Is 14 9/16” the number for center of bend on table bender for all size conduits?
No definitely not. Each degree and size conduit has different measurements
Would you happen to know what the measurement is for 3 1/2” conduit on the table bender is. So I can use the saddle
30 and 45 degree bends please
@@mikew4435 30° = 12" from edge of saddle, 45° = 14-1/2" from edge of saddle. These measurements are for table bender conduit size 3-1/2" emt conduit. Hope this helps.
Thanks bro. I appreciate it. So I am assuming I can make the normal mark and then move it 12” or 14 1/2” towards the 90 and it will work fine?
so if you bend on center you dont have to use the formula for parral kicks so they dont run into each other?
Quick question. So the scenario for these kicks is the panel being vertical and the pipes coming from the top. What if you’re going into the SIDE of a panel or junction, like horizontal. Dont the 90’s gain, and if so would it be a similar lay out? Like with the pipes spaced 2” and kicking up on the side of a junction.
Ok... so let me start out by saying I apologize for taking so long to get back to you. Beignets I wanted to answer your question thoroughly and I've been very busy this week so again I apologize. Now as far as whether it's the same if your 90s are coming from the top or if they're going from the side of a panel it doesn't matter the calculation still the same. As far as your question about the 90s gaining technically yes there is a gain involved but it has nothing to do with your type of vents when dealing with kicks and the way you measure them. The reason why the game doesn't matter in your case is because you're going to offend The 91st and then measure and place where you want your Kik so the game doesn't affect you at all. Unless you want to place your Kik on your conduit before you bend your 90 stub then that's a totally different story and it would take more explaining to do for me to show you how to do that maybe another video. So to answer your question don't worry about the game that's not going to affect you because you'll be placing your kick after you bend your 90 so no worries I hope this helps. Please tell your co-workers and Friends about the channel and the Facebook group The Art of conduit bending also I'm on podcast now I'll post a link thank you
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Hey man, love the videos. So I usually do 2 in spacing between my connectors in panels. So what degree bend would I use on my kicks? This is usually for 1" EMT and smaller
For 2 inch spacing btwn conns it would be hard but not impossible. You have to do an unorthodox degree of bend. It would be better if you use either 1 inch btwn conns or even 1.5 btwn conns so that you have 2.5 from center 2 center or 3 inches from center 2 center (we are talking about 1 inch emt for any other conduit measurements are different).
You need to watch the video. It would take me forever to text you an explanation. But ill try.
If i want 1 inch spacing btwn my conns (then my spacing is 2.5 from center 2 center. Take measurements from center 2 center not btwn conns or you'll have to find what half of the conduit is and add that to your spacing) then ill use 45° bends. My multiplier is 1.414.
You need to start with 2.5 inch spacing center 2 center which gives you roughly 1 inch btwn conduits. Thats why is better to take your measurements from center to center when dealing with parallel kicks at least and offsets.
Anyway, so 2.5 x 1.414= roughly 3.5
So you'll have 3.5 spacing at the panel when you use 45° bends. Thats only the first step niw that you used 45° bends you also have to use 1.414 (45° multiplier) to multiply your kick measurement. Lets say you need 10 inch kick. So 10 X 1.414= 14.14
So measure 14.14 from back of your 90, 14.14 inches and use center of bend on your bender or it wont come out right. What ever degree of bend you use you have to bend it on the center or it'll come out wrong. Anyway, so your first pipe you bend at 14.14 inches from 90 stub for a 10 inch kick. Your 2nd pipe youll need to kick 13 inches (kick measurement are to center of pipe and center of knockouts). 13x1.414= 18.38 inches from the 90 stub and bend at 45° again at center .
Listen you need to watch the video i explain it clearly and so much better there. Im sorry if this doesn't help. With parallel kicks everything has to be calculated if you want nice parallel kicks. Just use a degree of bend that gives you the spacing that you want at the panel and on your rack. Just know that the spacing you have on your rack wont be the same at your panel. Itll depend on the degree of bend you pick for your kick. Hope that helps.
Also i don't think you watched part 1 of this video.
Parallel kicks part 1
Watch it.
What if your conduits were parallel to your connectors instead of perpendicular? Example is turn your junction box 90 degrees so that your knockout holes are parallel to the strut.
I apologize for taking so long to respond. So if i understand you correctly. If your knock outs are perpendicular then the way tou figure out what the spacing will be after the bends at the ko's is as follow:
You need to know degree of bend and center to center spacing.
Formula
Center to center spacing ÷ cosine of (degree of bend angle) = spacing by ko's for perpendicular orientation of conduits.
Example
6 ÷ cos (45) =
6÷ .707 = 8.49
8.49 = 8-1/2"
Ko spacing for perpendicular = 8-1/2"
MAKE SURE CALCULATOR IS ON DEGREE MODE.
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At the end of the 90s, they're 4 inches apart because you said that it doubles (by using a 30 degree bend). What would my degree of bend be if I want to maintain a 2 inch spacing (insead of 4 inches at the panel....where the 90s are at?
You have to work the formulas and see. sometimes with the degree method its a little difficult when you need specific spacings. it works best when you can make your own knock outs on boxes or panels. You just have to work the formulas. I gave you all the multipliers its the same as offsets. So if 30 degrees doesn't work with a multiplier of 2 try maybe 45 deg. with a multiplier of 1.4, just play with the spacing and multipliers till you get what you need.
I have a question for you. In your video you used small kicks, what do you do if you have a large kick, say like 20 in. You now have to mark your pipe at 40 in. if you're doing 30 degrees. Doesn't that become awkward if you're trying to make your 90 parrallel to the floor?
Then use 60 degree which for a 20 inch kick itll give you 24 inches. Just change the degree of kick it will change the multiplier. You need to watch part 1 of this video.
Klein's ductile iron benders have center marks for 30°, 45°, and 60°. As far as I know, those are the only benders that come with those marks from the factory.
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Bro just bend the conduit
Bro you can just bend the conduit. Thanks for the comment.