Guys and gals you can use this exact method for larger conduits that are bent on hydraulic & electric benders. Just remember to measure the hypotenuse after you bend the kick to get an accurate measurement. Any questions find me in any of my communities. The best is Discord.
Awesome!! Always 🔥🔥🔥🔥 appreciate the knowledge.. must more accurate than using the well known shrinks for common bends.. I love learning and knowing more about pipe bending than my coworkers.. I don't brag but you're definitely helping me shine Mel!! I went through an Union Apprenticeship and they didn't teach all this in class!! Much love and respect for your time and knowledge!!
I got a question over kick 90’s , wondering if you keep the space the same at the rack will the spacing on top of your panel always be different or is there a way to keep the parallel spacing throughout the entire bend? Cant get this shit out of my head rn , if you could show a fast way of doing it with a simple example that’d be great ! Appreciate all the knowledge you spill on here please dont stop there’s nobody giving out good knowledge anymore.
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Yes unless it's a Klein bender. Most of them have 30 and 45. But even still it's good to mark all the standard degrees or at least the ones you mostly use. Thanks for watching and for the comment. If you have not joined already I would appreciate you joining my discord community and a follow on my LinkedIn account, if you have time on my LinkedIn under my profile skills section if you could endorse me under any skills you see I have . Thanks discord.gg/vJbtKCjB www.linkedin.com/in/melvin-rubio
For the measure method, say I needed a 5 inch rise, and came back 10 inches from back of 90°, why can't I use the star on the bender for the bend? Why must I remeasure?
@@dukeitout22 ok thank you. So I understand what you are referencing to now. No, you don't have to measure the second time you can skip to step 3 if you know the degree and you bent it on center of that degree on the bender. Hope that answers your ❓ I have a Discord community. Here is your private link if you want to join. If you do join in the trade server roles room select the emoticon that relates to your title in the field. Thanks discord.gg/SSU9Hk3B
@@marsha414 no sir. for degree method it must be bent on center with any bender. So you must have your bender charted. I have a video called "charting your bender" by holmz law, that can show you the steps to do that. Thanks for the comment.
Peace man. Thanks for sharing man. Question. How accurate is using the star as the back of the kick for an example like this. (But I'm running one pipe, just one run.) Is it off by sixteenths, eights, quarters, half's, inches?
I don't understand what you're asking. If you are bending a kick and you are using degree method then depending on what degree you bending to it could UpTo a couple inches.
@@TheArtOfConduitBending I had a 90 with a 35" stub and 45" leg. I needed a 8.5" kick. I measured 17" from the back of my stub. If I use the star and make my kick, can I use the shrink for kick formula to calculate the shrink on my stub?
@@TheArtOfConduitBending Cool. I was running one .5" pipe and kept the stub long, lined it up in the run, marked it then cut it. I kept seeing your vid on kick shrink but never watched it. I was like man, now I wish I did. Thanks man, next time I'll make all my bends and cut on the ground once, then install. ✌🏾
@@mistadreadman Listen at first you need practice applying the formula. Just use the kick shrink every chance you get. At first it might take a little while and you might get anxious cause you want to get it done. But I promise you that the calculation is a lot quicker than having to keep cutting. After a while it will be second nature and other electricians will look at you like a GOD! 😂😂 Merry Xmas.
It seems very complicated,I've always use the degrees bending formula for instance if my kick is 5 inch I would use the 30 degree formula multiply by 2 so I bend it at 10 inch to 30 degree.as we know 30 degree will shrink 1/4 per inch so my conduit will shrink 1 inch and 1/4 🤷🤷
I measure a scrap pipe before hand with a ninety on the end then bend it to desired height find center of bend on pipe and shoe then remeasure the length of pipe after I kick it to get shrink
There are so many methods to get the shrink. Whatever works for you, works for you. Thanks for sharing your technique. I appreciate it. Being that i have a channel where lots of apprentices come to learn. Im sure some one will find your method useful. Thanks again.
Thank you this is a huge help, I’m bending rigid on a Chicago bender and I have 18” to the start of the bank I need to kick down, which is a 27 degree angle and then 53” to center of the second seam, so I would need that angle to be a 63 degree kick to make 90 all together to be able to go straight down, but I couldn’t figure my shrink on the each kick because I’d like to bend it in one piece.
@@coltoncampbell6784 Oh wow, I love using the Chicago bender. Haven't used one in a long time. I have a video called "Charting Your Bender by Holmz Law" type that into the UA-cam search bar and watch that video when you get a chance. That should help you learn how to bend on center. Enjoy.
Yeah so I’ve found my centers already I just could t figure out how much it shrinks exactly when I have my kick on there, but this video is super helpful! 💪🏼🤙🏼
Also, so how would you use the shrink to help with the next bends? Let's say each conduit was 2" from center to center. So on your next piece you just add 2" plus the shrink and then 4 plus the shrink....etc.
@@robbysanchez6514 no sir. The shrink your adding is so the whole length won't come up short. Don't forget a kick is very similar to an offset. So once you kick it the pipe shrinks a little. Not as much as an offset but it shrinks. Listen, best way to learn on your own is trial and error. What I use to do is document everything kind of like a scientist right. For example. I make a kick with a 90 on the end of it. First time I bend it at let's say 30 degrees. I write down the length I started with and the length I ended up with. Second time I try a random degree. And write down what I get. It's all about trial and error.
I think there’s one step that you’re missing in all your kick videos…. When you lay out the center bend mark from back of 90, you always have to add half the diameter of the conduit
Thanks for the comment. I think your mistaken. If you bend your kick on center with a center mark on bender you don't have to add 1/2 OD. Now if you're going to use the front of shoe with shoe factor then you have to add 1/2 OD. At least that is how I've done it and my kicks always come out on point.
Thats why I started Conduit bending classes. They don't teach anything on the topic and we have so much work that entails conduit bending. If you or anyone wants more info on classes you can reach me at melvin.c.rubio@gmail.com or on my Discord Server link below. discord.gg/GAbvCNpW
Oh and honestly it really doesn't take that much time. Really, I'm being honest. That's why you must start doing the calculations or in the field ASAP because the practice is what makes you faster in doing these calculations faster every time you do it. I do it all the time trust me it takes you a couple minutes longer and you will see that you get the time back by learning how to use the shrink for kicks correctly because usually about 90% of the time you want to know the shrink for kicks so you could either line up your bends or couplings either way if you don't use this calculation then you'll end up having to cut all your conduits to make them line up which will take you more time then solving the calculation.
You think it is. It only seems long because the process is new to you. After a few times it becomes second nature and it's a lot quicker than it seems. But nothing wrong with a coupling.
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Guys and gals you can use this exact method for larger conduits that are bent on hydraulic & electric benders. Just remember to measure the hypotenuse after you bend the kick to get an accurate measurement. Any questions find me in any of my communities. The best is Discord.
Awesome!! Always 🔥🔥🔥🔥 appreciate the knowledge.. must more accurate than using the well known shrinks for common bends.. I love learning and knowing more about pipe bending than my coworkers.. I don't brag but you're definitely helping me shine Mel!! I went through an Union Apprenticeship and they didn't teach all this in class!! Much love and respect for your time and knowledge!!
Thank you bro
I got a question over kick 90’s , wondering if you keep the space the same at the rack will the spacing on top of your panel always be different or is there a way to keep the parallel spacing throughout the entire bend?
Cant get this shit out of my head rn , if you could show a fast way of doing it with a simple example that’d be great ! Appreciate all the knowledge you spill on here please dont stop there’s nobody giving out good knowledge anymore.
Thank you bro
Early morning goodmorning. 3:54am right now ready to go to work but I will watch the vid when I get home
Watch it whenever you want my brother.
Awesome video thank you for easy explanation lol
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So you have to make sure the first pipe fits before you can bend the rest and account for shrink?
Yes exactly
So you would need to chart your bender in order to do the degree method so you're bending on the center then right?
Yes unless it's a Klein bender. Most of them have 30 and 45. But even still it's good to mark all the standard degrees or at least the ones you mostly use. Thanks for watching and for the comment. If you have not joined already I would appreciate you joining my discord community and a follow on my LinkedIn account, if you have time on my LinkedIn under my profile skills section if you could endorse me under any skills you see I have . Thanks
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For the measure method, say I needed a 5 inch rise, and came back 10 inches from back of 90°, why can't I use the star on the bender for the bend? Why must I remeasure?
If you are referencing something I said in the video. Then you need to put the time stamp so I can figure out what you are talking about. Thanks.
@@TheArtOfConduitBending around 32:50
@@dukeitout22 ok thank you. So I understand what you are referencing to now. No, you don't have to measure the second time you can skip to step 3 if you know the degree and you bent it on center of that degree on the bender. Hope that answers your ❓
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What would you use for an electric bender there's the front of the hook for 90s and offsets
Could you explain the question better. Don't forget I've recorded this video a while ago. Thanks
Sorry about not being very clear. For the degree of bend method would you bend on front of the hook on the electric bender?
@@marsha414
no sir. for degree method it must be bent on center with any bender. So you must have your bender charted. I have a video called "charting your bender" by holmz law, that can show you the steps to do that. Thanks for the comment.
@@TheArtOfConduitBending thank you.
If the cosine part is confusing to anyone, you can also solve for the adjacent side by using Pythagorean theorem. √(hyp²) - (opp²)
Thanks for helping.
Thanks.
@@Manzilla56 anytime
Peace man. Thanks for sharing man. Question. How accurate is using the star as the back of the kick for an example like this. (But I'm running one pipe, just one run.) Is it off by sixteenths, eights, quarters, half's, inches?
I don't understand what you're asking. If you are bending a kick and you are using degree method then depending on what degree you bending to it could UpTo a couple inches.
@@TheArtOfConduitBending I had a 90 with a 35" stub and 45" leg. I needed a 8.5" kick. I measured 17" from the back of my stub. If I use the star and make my kick, can I use the shrink for kick formula to calculate the shrink on my stub?
@@mistadreadman it'll end up being off a little.
@@TheArtOfConduitBending Cool. I was running one .5" pipe and kept the stub long, lined it up in the run, marked it then cut it. I kept seeing your vid on kick shrink but never watched it. I was like man, now I wish I did. Thanks man, next time I'll make all my bends and cut on the ground once, then install. ✌🏾
@@mistadreadman Listen at first you need practice applying the formula. Just use the kick shrink every chance you get. At first it might take a little while and you might get anxious cause you want to get it done. But I promise you that the calculation is a lot quicker than having to keep cutting. After a while it will be second nature and other electricians will look at you like a GOD! 😂😂 Merry Xmas.
It seems very complicated,I've always use the degrees bending formula for instance if my kick is 5 inch I would use the 30 degree formula multiply by 2 so I bend it at 10 inch to 30 degree.as we know 30 degree will shrink 1/4 per inch so my conduit will shrink 1 inch and 1/4 🤷🤷
@a.dominguez2817 yea that's the best and easiest method
I measure a scrap pipe before hand with a ninety on the end then bend it to desired height find center of bend on pipe and shoe then remeasure the length of pipe after I kick it to get shrink
There are so many methods to get the shrink. Whatever works for you, works for you. Thanks for sharing your technique. I appreciate it. Being that i have a channel where lots of apprentices come to learn. Im sure some one will find your method useful. Thanks again.
Finding the SHRINK for kicks method also will work for offsets,3 bend saddle and 4 bend saddle can this method be use for this type of bends?
its different for other bends
So if you know the degree can you just go straight to step 3?
yes definitely
Thank you this is a huge help, I’m bending rigid on a Chicago bender and I have 18” to the start of the bank I need to kick down, which is a 27 degree angle and then 53” to center of the second seam, so I would need that angle to be a 63 degree kick to make 90 all together to be able to go straight down, but I couldn’t figure my shrink on the each kick because I’d like to bend it in one piece.
@@coltoncampbell6784 Oh wow, I love using the Chicago bender. Haven't used one in a long time. I have a video called "Charting Your Bender by Holmz Law" type that into the UA-cam search bar and watch that video when you get a chance. That should help you learn how to bend on center. Enjoy.
Yeah so I’ve found my centers already I just could t figure out how much it shrinks exactly when I have my kick on there, but this video is super helpful! 💪🏼🤙🏼
Also, so how would you use the shrink to help with the next bends? Let's say each conduit was 2" from center to center. So on your next piece you just add 2" plus the shrink and then 4 plus the shrink....etc.
Yes just add on the shrink to each conduit.
But then you'd have to do the formula all over again since the rise will be different right?
@@robbysanchez6514 no sir. The shrink your adding is so the whole length won't come up short. Don't forget a kick is very similar to an offset. So once you kick it the pipe shrinks a little. Not as much as an offset but it shrinks. Listen, best way to learn on your own is trial and error. What I use to do is document everything kind of like a scientist right. For example. I make a kick with a 90 on the end of it. First time I bend it at let's say 30 degrees. I write down the length I started with and the length I ended up with. Second time I try a random degree. And write down what I get. It's all about trial and error.
I think there’s one step that you’re missing in all your kick videos…. When you lay out the center bend mark from back of 90, you always have to add half the diameter of the conduit
Thanks for the comment. I think your mistaken. If you bend your kick on center with a center mark on bender you don't have to add 1/2 OD. Now if you're going to use the front of shoe with shoe factor then you have to add 1/2 OD. At least that is how I've done it and my kicks always come out on point.
Sheesh apprenticeship needs to do a lot more for the conduit bending. They only teach u the very basic bends
Thats why I started Conduit bending classes. They don't teach anything on the topic and we have so much work that entails conduit bending. If you or anyone wants more info on classes you can reach me at melvin.c.rubio@gmail.com or on my Discord Server link below.
discord.gg/GAbvCNpW
By the way are you self employed? I would love to come work on your jobs.
No I am not. I work for a company. From time to time I do get my own jobs though. I really appreciate you watching my video's. Thanks. 🙏
Oh and honestly it really doesn't take that much time. Really, I'm being honest. That's why you must start doing the calculations or in the field ASAP because the practice is what makes you faster in doing these calculations faster every time you do it. I do it all the time trust me it takes you a couple minutes longer and you will see that you get the time back by learning how to use the shrink for kicks correctly because usually about 90% of the time you want to know the shrink for kicks so you could either line up your bends or couplings either way if you don't use this calculation then you'll end up having to cut all your conduits to make them line up which will take you more time then solving the calculation.
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Ty Theo
@@TheArtOfConduitBending yup
my god. faster to just use a coupling for smaller pipe
You think it is. It only seems long because the process is new to you. After a few times it becomes second nature and it's a lot quicker than it seems. But nothing wrong with a coupling.
Gross 🤢