White Crane & Incense Shop Boxing - An Exploration of Fujian Kung Fu part 1
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- Опубліковано 28 лис 2024
- In part 1 of Martial Arts of Southern Shaolin, I team up with Jesse Enkamp, aka the Karate Nerd, and we explore the three major Kung Fu styles of Fuzhou city in southern China: Whooping Crane Fist, Incense Shop Boxing and Dog Boxing.
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Wonderful!
The Incense Shop Master was so generous to show everything about his style and knowledge on other traditional chinese crafts. He was the complete opposite of tranquil flowing masters, He popped here and there like a fire cracker.
Great video as always! It's funny to see that there are several things my taiji teacher once told us were specific to taiji/ neijia is actually present in what the incense boxing shifu is explaining ( power generation through the back, kua area, da kai da he, etc.) Sounds like essential unifying principles shared by most CMA
Well it’s definitely central to the Taiji Mantis I practice as well as most northern systems Ive been exposed to
Love opening up the shoulders and back to elongate the body, and the way it’s used to expand unexpectedly into opponent’s space
As a practitioner of the Kong Han lineage of Ngo Cho Kun I very much appreciated this! I visited Quanzhao last year and loved every second of it! Very good video sir 🙏
I practice Beng Kiam/Beng Hong Ngo Cho. We need something like this for Ngo Cho Kun (Wuzuquan)!!
Kung Fu Quest on the computer screen and a copy of Hanshi PAtrick McCarthy's edition of the Bubishi on the desk top! 🙂
Thank you Will (and friends) for sharing your travels and experience to the world. You're the Marco Polo's of kung fu! He too was in Quanzhou when it was once a glorious place! You're so fortunate. Many Overseas Chinese like myself only get to hear of such places from stories. It's also great seeing a 鬼佬 especially a Briton who's so respectful of Chinese culture, well mannered and well spoken, literate in Chinese, informed in Chinese history, even understanding the nuances in our history! Your objectivity/impartiality is also fair and honest, not at all exaggerating. I'm sure the old men really appreciated your visit since much of the younger generations are in the diaspora (heaps of Fujianese are in New York, and some here in Sydney) and unlikely to return since their kids prefer living in the West. Many Chinese also idolise kung fu elevating it to a supernatural ability which is superstitious nonsense, while Westerners in general either mock it, denigrate it, or fetishise it, but you spoke well at the Southern Shaolin temple. The fact is that there is a degree of "mythology" in certain much of our stories since most of the key witnesses died and the new generation has fragments of oral history to piece together. With dynastic failures, multiple rebellions, revolutions, formation of secret societies, government persecution and scapegoating of minority groups, families and clans from former dynasties escaping assassins, are the major issues for us Chinese since even the rule of Emperor Qin Shi Huang 2nd century BC, or the Mongolian Yuan dynasty 13th century AD, to the Qing Dynasty, and CCP currently. Our history is extremely dramatic and complex, and kung fu since the earliest stories of "wrestling" were always a means to an end, for self-defence and survival. Later political reform, violent rebellions, even piracy and triad activity, are ultimately desperate acts for desperate times, when we just want our land and homes back, to not be refugees or prisoners within our own country, to have a rightful and just king/government, a Lord, and God, proper places of worship, and for the country to be at peace and harmony, with the blessing of Heaven. What you guys saw with old men inside practicing their own independent style of kung fu reflects also how broken and degenerate society got in the last few hundred years. "Bandits" were everywhere and nobody trusted their neighbours, hence houses were built in terrace rows, like fortresses with high walls, steel gates, and no big windows. The only way in was through the "sky well" open terraces. People stooped as low as possible to survive, so for such masters to teach foreigners kung fu, even show your personal homes, bedrooms, personal belongings and treasures, they practically gave you a share of their inheritance, which would have only traditionally would have gone to their sons, grandsons, and servants. Keep up the good content. If you're a reader you might want to check our Arthur Henderson Smith's book Chinese Characteristics 1890. It's a scarily accurate assessment. Peace and blessings
Hey man, thanks for the nice comments. You live in Sydney? I’m based here too!
@@MonkeyStealsPeach You're very welcome. Yes, our family has been in Sydney for several generations. My family are Cantonese, Toishan, and Hakka speaking though, not Fujian. Are you aware of the 四邑 sze jup or 四邑方言 influences in Sydney? The "Chinese gold mining" era here arrived during the times turmoil in your kung fu history research.When I saw 五祖先師 it was like what is that? or who are these "5 ancestors" or "5 saints", 五大祖先? (I have some ideas - theological and historical, not what you may be expecting) Then I remembered I also did 五祖拳, haha! Which was then marketed on cheap pamphlets in English as "Wu Chu" which sounds way too alike "Wushu"! So most ABCs who are introduced to this in English, with classes taught in English, and who can't read or understand Chinese likely would never realise that they learnt 五大祖先拳, let alone it's connection to the other styles you found! And back in the early 00s the master and students didn't boast about these things!
Props to the Incense shop boxing teacher's passing of knowledge.
i love crack shop boxing
Called Arhat in 5 Ancestors Kung Fu
I just found out that the video being played in the Whooping Crane master's computer is the White Crane episode from the documentary "Kung Fu Quest" where he was featured.
I live in Cuba and I practice an style of Kung Fu called Ke Hsiao, and a lot of the history of this video overlaps with the history of this style, not exactly but a lot of similar points.
Video stands out on its own with a much deeper investigation into the styles. Appreciated the incense boxing demonstration. Solid video.
Dog boxing needs to be explored more.
I found a chinese book on boat style kung fu that was interesting. The form is done mostly in one spot with boxing like punching techniques kind of like bamboo forest style kung fu.
The birthplace of karate.
Brilliant again Will, thanks so much for doing these. The Incense Shop Master is such a character!
this is amazing...i recently found out that the forms wich i learned in austria actually comes from southern shaolin in fujian.
Thank you for sharing your travels
14:44 That looks a lot like what we have in Chen Tai Chi.
Great work.
Makes me wanna watch each episode again and review some details!!!
Southern Shaolin is #1. They have the best neigong and kung fu. Northern Shaolin is all about wushu shows now.
Great one. I'm a Okinawan Karate practitioner, but I really enjoy your video.
Thank you. The first three minutes of this video were informative. I always want the context and the historical narrative. Very cool. We appreciate your research and training. Etiquette is important, and you and Jesse are so patient.
Keep practice.
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I can’t wait! I’ll leave a comment!
in-depth research, presented in an entertaining way. nicely done, thank you.
Dox boxing is a new one for me... thanks for the video, always great to see new styles I didn't know about before.
Dog*
@@ukguy My Grandmaster explained how a highly outnumbered group of Chinese adept at dishu quan defeated Japanese pirates with Bamboo weapons they fashioned, which had "teeth." The use of the ground in this style was used to disembowel the pirate's horses.
@@JPGPakua wow that's interesting
@@ukguy I always thought so as well, he was born and raised near the coast. He has so many interesting tales,. I was fortunate to learn a bit of dog style from his student, very much like what we see in this awesome video. Mastery of those basic maneuvers can be quite savage, frankly, I learned from experience. It’s very deceptive as it seems weird, but very functional.
Theres a few ground fighting kung fu styles. Another is a dragon style in Fijian province as well. Theres also a tiger ground fighting style as well.
Nice video. On a side note, the existence of Southern Shaolin Temple is actually quite controversial due to the lack of historical records. It is also why there are currently 3 Shaolin Temples in Fujian with each claiming to be the real one.
I discuss that in detail in part 2
Such a joy to watch. Thanks for your countless hours to share with us these martial arts backgrounds 🙏🙏🙏
New subscriber...loving the quality content. Thank You!
Lee is great!
8:35 that was a wing chun skill, I can see where it gets its parentage from
Thank you for great video, excellent Master Lin from Incense shop boxing style
The five monks are represented in (unsurprisingly) 5 Ancestors system or Ngo Kun. Our system employ's dual edged ring daggers.
incense shop boxing seems to resemble both northern and southern style kung fu
The 5 family styles choy lee hung fut and li also have sum relationship to the southern shaolin temple of Fijian
Fujian 福建
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Yes. This is discussed in detail in part 2
Chinese martial arts are very fascinating very interesting history. Thanks for bring this history to us.
11:11 the one piece is real!
Of course, many have noted that opening and spreading out the shoulder blades was what Bruce Lee did or at least demonstrated he was capable of.
Thanks for doing the documentary to keep the history alive
I’m Training Shotokan Karate for 4 Months now! But I think the Fujian Kung Fu is the Ancestor of Okinawa and Traditional Karate if i’m right? Some moves have something away from Kung Fu
19:03 Brazilian jiu-jitsu mention drinking game
Thank you Will! Did master Lin have a name for the Incense Shop Boxing form that he showed you and Jesse, which is the precursor of karate's Seisan?
Hi Richard. The form is called Sanzhan (three battles)
It would have been more interesting if we can see some friendly free sparring with the master after the talk.
Please do a video investigating Ng Ga Kuen, a five family style brought by Ark Yuey Wong
Pretty impressive understanding of Chinese! And, I've lived in xiamen for a year and been repeatedly thrown by the way the local accent swaps n for l (so 你变成里）🙂
9:40 these knifes look exactly like nepalese Khukris. I always wonder about the wide sqare stances in southern Kung Fu like they are dont concerned about been kicked in the testicle.
If you look at the applications, they don´t necessarily use these wide stances. I think it´s just for training purposes.
@@Livingtree32 Maybe. He also explains in this video that its improtant to open the hip maybe its for that purpose.
Great work!!!
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Actually I was reading that on my flight to Hong Kong last week
Excellent! When do you hope to complete vol 2?
It was released last year, as was p3
@@MonkeyStealsPeach Nice! Where can I find them?
terrific!!!💯🤎
Spectacular work Will! The work you've put into this and all of your work is so impressive. Very authentic. So much better than the "karate nerd"'s series. True insights. Thank you on behalf of the Karate community! Osu!
Haha thanks man, just different intent or target audience I guess.
@MonkeyStealsPeach I found them both very interesting. Jesse Enkamp is on his own little Indiana Jones adventure tour questing for his holy grail, but you seem more into just going straight to the heart of the matter and seeing things for what they are. I think you're both very impressive and have both introduced a whole lot of fascinating and helpful information that otherwise would have not been very easy to come across.
Thanks for the video. Although I use to in my high school days practice kung fu but since have switched over to Muay Thai I still like watching these videos as it’s interesting.
What about doing one on what these masters think of Modern martial arts, JKD, sanda, Muay Thai and MMA and see what prospective is on it. Also about the Chinese MMA guy who is challenging them and beating them and why is he beating them. I’d be curious to hear their thoughts on this.
Yea well.... the guys he is fighting and beating arent recognised by anybody in the community, they are deluded old fools. Check out the interview I did with Byron Jacobs where we discuss this in detail.
As far as MMA etc, I can’t speak for them all, but my Shifu likes it and he watches One and UFC on TV. He’s had some students who competed in Sanda too and he’s friendly with the Shuai Jiao community.
@@MonkeyStealsPeach not all are old. There was a wing Chun guy who I recall was young and pretty fit. I m sure a lot are deluded as the believe there own hype and don’t test themselves in reality apart from old fairytale stories. But still would be interested to hear these masters thought and replies.
I’ll check out your discussion with Byron jacobs thanks for the reply.
@@Andrew-qy1kz yea true, forgot about him. Lei Lei wasn’t that old either come to think of it.... I should just say deluded fools then
@@Andrew-qy1kz If I may add, Xu Xiaodong is exposing fake masters whose so-called skills are nothing but glorified dancing, and in an interview somewhere he says that he does indeed like some styles of Kung Fu for their practicality, citing Wing Chun and Bajiquan as examples. The problem with this is that many MMA naysayers warp his crusade into saying that all Kung Fu is fake, and they are steadfast in the idea that his videos are ample evidence for proving said claim, which is of course blatantly incorrect. They are even scoffing at authentic masters that have refined their skills for years and firmly believe that Xu Xiaodong would “kick their ass (es)”.
@@jadenng7569 Then they are the deluded fools. Traditional training can produce combat effectiveness. So can modern training. What they are mistaking is the art for the man. The man makes the art, not the other way around. Most of them are just couch potatos, armchair warriors, the only combat they see is on their Xbox.
Let them have their opinion. Everyone can have their ass handed to them. No one is invincible.
Peace.
💯 is fantastic!
While interesting in itself, I believe there is a lot of fiction in Chinese martial arts, that they themselves have held onto. Historical accounts dispute many accepted stories and supposed abilities.
True, but the context of the mythology is part of the cultural history of the arts. I think it's ok to pass down the mythology as long as you know the true history and keep them separate.
Explaining the origin of the mythology will be the main focus of part 2
You know Gandalf once said “Allll great stories deserrrve.. embellishment!”
@Dr Diablory funny everyone thinks that till they try the old man out
@Dr Diablory like you said - you don’t know very much
good morning from Brazil
Been waiting on this, bring on part 2. Will you be doing anything on wing chun or emei?
Part 2 is already up on Patreon, it does very briefly mention Emei when I discuss the Southern Shaolin mythology. Part 3 will talk about Wing Chun a little bit.... and be a possible lead into a future series on it
Fantabulous
What about Hong xi guan and the 10 tigers of guang dong what’s there relationship to shaolin all hung gar styles holde him as the founder of our system and him being one of the students of the 5 elders
Com certeza wu zu quan é um dos melhores se não o melhor estilo de kung fu que tem na minha opinião, muito eficiente na defesa pessoal
nice video, but what about the ten tigers of guandong, the wong fei hung/lam sai wing/chiu kow -> hung gar lineage style? can you talk about southern shaolin without exploring hung kuen
This documentary is about Fujian though
can you make subtietilis in spanish ? your documentarys ? ! pls, i admire you but i want to understand more in deep
Well Done
Very good
This Documentary was so interesting that I didn't want it to end.
I wonder how hakka martial arts and tibetan are connected with Southern styles
Hakka martial arts are Southern styles as well. Tibetan: There is only one style i know of that claims to be Tibetan (Pak Hok Pai aka Lama Pai aka Tibetan White Crane) and that´s just another one of those mythological origin stories. It´s actually a Chinese style with possible influences from the Sichuan/Emei area.
@@Livingtree32 Thank you very much! I remember in southern taizuquan video a connection with withe crane, maybe they connect there, I want to practice a southern style like this.
that's too bad about the books something similar happened in vietnam, luckily the new gov made amends.
I admire your fluency in Chinese
Thanks Mike
That incense guy is putting something in the incense 😆
Ssssssshhhhhhhhh
Lovely
Southern shaolin temples have wuzu quan southern dragon kung fu hung kuen wing chun southern praying mantis drunken fist
Looks a lot like praying mantis fist 👊🏼
The southern shaolin temple did exist.
If Okinawan karate came from Fuzhou, how come sparring forms a large portion of their training in Okinawa but not in Fujian?
Kumite rules date to 1927. Karate is actually heavily focused on kata. Sport karate is a 20th century creation.
雖是重新尋找白鶴拳.........也有6..7..分傳承...這是可喜的 .....
great work! you should also encourage them to speak about ZEN and the philosophy behind the art what is true and what is false!.
Isn't xingyi taoist?
I suggest you watch my two part documentary on Xingyi, as all is explained there
Fan Qing Fu Ming !
anything on that there bear stle
i would like to learn dog boxing
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哈哈哈😁中国真正的功夫不是在这种情况可以看得到的。不过这位洋人的热诚很难得，而且很谦虚。
SHAOLIN KUNG FU PRETTY MUCH USELESS AGAINST GUNS AND GANGSTA ESPECIALLY DURING RIOT WAHAHAHHAHHAHA
5 min in STILL NO ACTION!!!!!!
Might I suggest Power Rangers might be more up your alley