The Oldest KATA in KARATE History (セーサン)

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  • @KARATEbyJesse
    @KARATEbyJesse  4 роки тому +247

    What do you wanna learn? 👊

    • @thomasda3482
      @thomasda3482 4 роки тому +7

      maybe street fight tactic and stratigy

    • @dswynne
      @dswynne 4 роки тому +31

      How to be a better version of myself.

    • @jethrox827
      @jethrox827 4 роки тому +4

      Karate foot sweep into punch on the ground for street fighting

    • @sanakabana
      @sanakabana 4 роки тому +1

      Morote Koken Uke bunkai?

    • @ljosca1788
      @ljosca1788 4 роки тому +7

      I would really like you to speak about the "Atifa" in Okinawan karate, what is called "fah jing" in chinese martial arts. Thank you

  • @MZH47
    @MZH47 4 роки тому +311

    Apart from what everyone has already mentioned, I really love how the Chinese teacher is so eager to pass on his knowledge. Without people like him, so many of us would be left in the dark. It's also thanks to you Jesse for going and bringing that knowledge out to us.
    It looked like he really liked having you. I hope you are able to go back and train more with him.

    • @francoiswilliams
      @francoiswilliams 4 роки тому +18

      I had great experiences since 1990 training in Taiwan, HK, China, even Philippines...most masters are eager to share...

    • @seancarville1888
      @seancarville1888 4 роки тому +15

      It was beautiful to watch him move so effortlessly.

    • @cassiuslives4807
      @cassiuslives4807 2 роки тому +2

      it's sad that Master Lin might be one of the last. I hope that videoing him will save things for posterity. I hope Jesse has more time to visit him, learn more and collect more footage!

    • @myeramimclerie7869
      @myeramimclerie7869 2 роки тому +14

      I liked how he spoke high Chinese in the beginning of explaining the Kata but later on changed into his lokal dialect because he's like f** it, the foreigner doesn't understand anything anyways, I might as well talk comfortably then 😂

    • @MZH47
      @MZH47 2 роки тому

      @@myeramimclerie7869 Had no idea. That's funny!

  • @leesfunkaratechannel7296
    @leesfunkaratechannel7296 4 роки тому +175

    I'm so happy that this version is being preserved - It would be great for him to go through all of his Kata with 4 cameras around him, just so people can reference back to it at a later date.
    Thank-you very much for posting this!

  • @FedericoMalagutti
    @FedericoMalagutti 4 роки тому +158

    The passion you express while explaining is so contagious that I feel it through the bones. Cool video as always, thanks for sharing it.

    • @KARATEbyJesse
      @KARATEbyJesse  4 роки тому +19

      Awesome! Just doing what I love 😄

    • @darrylwalls4162
      @darrylwalls4162 Рік тому

      What is the original name of seisan they use in China ?

  • @obiwanquixote8423
    @obiwanquixote8423 3 роки тому +7

    This is honestly one of your best videos. A funny thing I noticed is that the instructor speaks to you in Mandarin and his students local dialect. Because, you know, Mandarin is what you'll understand. I love how animated and excited he is telling you about the form. The passion shows through

    • @larrytse9003
      @larrytse9003 2 роки тому +1

      Thanks for you, bring back the old martial arts information, useful for me in training.

  • @AnthonyDDean
    @AnthonyDDean 3 роки тому +3

    I typed up all of the movements of the first Incense Shop Boxing form in detail the best I could following the video, and then your video answered all of my questions! Thank you for your help. -Shaolin disciple & karateka

  • @MajesticBlueFalcon
    @MajesticBlueFalcon 4 роки тому +12

    Sensei Jesse, you are doing the world a great service by archiving this knowledge in video form. Please keep it up!

  • @SenseiSeth
    @SenseiSeth 4 роки тому +164

    We do Seisan! We’re Kempo though, so a bit newer than most styles.. but still! How cool

    • @KARATEbyJesse
      @KARATEbyJesse  4 роки тому +56

      Old is gold 🌮🌮🌮

    • @miguelrigor959
      @miguelrigor959 4 роки тому +3

      Hello

    • @Cyclonus5
      @Cyclonus5 4 роки тому +11

      Yeah my Kempo teacher said the roots of our system go back to the meiji era but everything traceable is only to like the 40's when it got blended with Karate in Taiwan. A lot of Kempo seems to have Karate links.

    • @petersalvucci6939
      @petersalvucci6939 4 роки тому +4

      .. loved the video, was wondering if you show the complete original Chinese form ?

    • @joshuabrowne101
      @joshuabrowne101 4 роки тому

      Do you think that Seisan maybe the seed that Karate grew from and can it be used to find when and where and between who this art started?

  • @chompooser
    @chompooser 4 роки тому +10

    I live in Hawaii. I am Uchinanchu, but was born and raised here. I am proud of my "Okinawan" heritage. I have learned Karate in my youth. I transitioned to Chinese martial arts, soon after learning of the connection with China. Your videos have taught me not only about martial arts, but also culture...my own in particular. I thank you for your videos and the in depth research that must have gone into it. Your an awesome practitioner and seem to be an even more awesome man. Thanks again for your videos and please keep 'em coming my friend. Mahalo!! (Thank you in Hawaiian)

  • @leandrobarrientos8868
    @leandrobarrientos8868 2 роки тому +2

    I'm 35 years old and always wanted to start karate .. watching your videos was the push i needed to overcome the shame and signed for shorin ryu .
    Thanks Jesse ... Keep up the good work.
    Big hug from an argentinian.

  • @MoreAwsomeMetal
    @MoreAwsomeMetal 4 роки тому +3

    I did Seisan when I was a teenager in my dojo (Shito-Ryu style), but I had forgotten it completely (I quited karate when my sensei retired at the end of the 90's due to health problems, and I never found the same connection with the one that replaced him.)
    I remember how good it was, the paces, the way the arms moved according to the breathe...Probably my favorite Kata. It kinds of makes me want to go back in a dojo and do karate once again, though I'm in my late 30's now!

    • @alext6902
      @alext6902 4 роки тому +1

      the best age to learn martial arts. you don't have to prove nothing with fighting because you are older. you will not be in this all ufc is the best mindset. you can start any karate style and ad shito ryu in it. you can learn seisan from various karate styles and chinese styles and make it your speciality kata. you will have a new hobby,new friends,better health mental and physical and you will be more active then others that are watching tv and drinking beers. most of all whatever style of karate you are doing you can ad some other techniques from other styles or better those from your style thanks to those new training partners. a lot of them knows a few karate styles. have fun and make karate your own. so one day you could tell to yourself i did something and learn something. take a lot of training notes and photos in the training scrapbook. it's fun to remember all the persons through the techniques they have shown you. and if you take a few seminars even better.

    • @MoreAwsomeMetal
      @MoreAwsomeMetal 4 роки тому

      @@alext6902 I'l think about it.
      September is coming near and it's the season for the inscriptions in the sport clubs for the year to come.
      Maybe I'll go back for Karate this time!

    • @alext6902
      @alext6902 4 роки тому

      @@MoreAwsomeMetal don't think.just do it. the more you think the less you do. just show and train. and keep a note book.

  • @jayquanvo5134
    @jayquanvo5134 4 роки тому +2

    Martial arts and History always fascinates me. Martial Arts History fascinates me to no end. Seeing the evolution, variations and interpretations. No matter what style of martial arts you practice you can always learn, develop and be humbled by what another style or teacher can offer.

  • @jimmagwojo2718
    @jimmagwojo2718 4 роки тому +19

    I like that you framed this as both a demonstration and a disussion - good to discuss and learn with Kata - thats one of the best things i enjoy doing with my Sensei trying to to understand the how, what, when, where, & why

  • @valeriacasavola8874
    @valeriacasavola8874 2 роки тому +11

    Jesse I just saw your trip to China and was inspiring! You are doing a super important work here on passing down knowledge and keeping traditions alive. I would love to see the other 3 katas, you should definitely go back! Thank you for making us leave this dream trip!

  • @varanid9
    @varanid9 4 роки тому +94

    Would love to see a Part 2 to this video demonstrating the last part of the Chinese version that had the more complex movements missing in the Okinawan version?

  • @javejoshuablock4828
    @javejoshuablock4828 4 роки тому +1

    There is no diggin with Jesse. He just gives you the gold right away, but its so much knowledge way to heavy to carry right away... so you always get remembered there is always more room to grow and learn...learning and preserving what was and what will be...thank u for sharing and for your amazing work 🙏

  • @SalvadorTrakal
    @SalvadorTrakal 3 роки тому +7

    I love this! I've been practicing traditional Northern Shaolin for 14 years now and I love history and Okinawan Karate, specially the connection with White Crane which I know a little bit. I hope to find an Okinawan Karate school where I live to practice some day!
    Thank you for sharing what you know and all the best to you!

  • @TheThinkersBible
    @TheThinkersBible Рік тому +2

    It's so amazing to see these old grandmasters at work. So humbling and inspirational. Great detective work on this project, thank you!

  • @theaveragenewbie2465
    @theaveragenewbie2465 4 роки тому +10

    Damn Jesse, I really freaking love these kinds of videos of yours!!!
    I come from Taekwondo, but recognise so many moves / techniques and since all martial arts are related it makes sense and I love it 💪
    I'm not sure, if you are allowed to film the full kata and upload it, but I would really love to see you perform the oldest Kata in full length 🥋🔥😇🔥🥋

    • @KARATEbyJesse
      @KARATEbyJesse  4 роки тому +6

      Thank you! Hopefully I’ll be able to perform it. It’s harder than it looks!

  • @johncox2912
    @johncox2912 3 роки тому +1

    I learned Seisan kata back in 1978 in Isshinryu Karate in Detroit, MI. Today, it is still my favorite kata. Powerful, practical, and very, very dynamic.

  • @martialartsnerd3253
    @martialartsnerd3253 4 роки тому +4

    Tucking the tailbone is also important for many Chinese martial arts. While I was practicing Tai Chi (both Wu- and Yang-style) I noticed how important it is and how much it changes the "kata". Great work on this video as always!

  • @Easy_Tea6363
    @Easy_Tea6363 Рік тому +1

    This has been my favourite kata since i learned it years ago. I feel like im doing a brand new kata today. And with more power, thank you for doing these things, please keep being you jesse! The rest of us broke karate nerds that cant travel like this appreciate every minute ! Hope you get back to china sometime! Also I believe the master has put the 4 forms of the style on UA-cam 1 by him and the other 3 by a student if anyone wants to watch

  • @luvlife2786
    @luvlife2786 4 роки тому +3

    I love the way you bring so much information to your videos. It's amazing how a kata can have so many variations. I was taught shoto-kan katas by an ex special ops instructor. He followed the Book by Shojiro Sugiyama.I always look forward to your videos.

  • @dylhemsley9458
    @dylhemsley9458 Місяць тому +1

    Absolutely fascinating. Thank you for sharing your research Jesse. Without you we wouldn't have access to this knowledge.

  • @jacobymt
    @jacobymt 4 роки тому +4

    Outstanding work here Jesse. Thanks for passing along this knowledge to help us understand, not only application, but history. Thank you.

  • @carlosensei1
    @carlosensei1 2 роки тому +2

    Hi Jesse, I can’t tell you how much I appreciate your videos. I’ve practiced a variety of arts in the past 30 some odd years, isshinryu, shotokan, northern preying mantis, wing chun, under qualified instructors, and a few others as a result of a curiosity to just compare different styles. It is so fantastic what you’ve done in finding the source of it all, not to mention the father of “ The oldest known Kata”! WOW! Tremedous!

  • @jethrox827
    @jethrox827 4 роки тому +27

    Missed your vids mate, great to see you back

  • @markhotson9703
    @markhotson9703 3 роки тому +1

    I have been fascinated by martial arts for over 40 years since being a child. I remember reading Terry O'Neil's magazine Fighting Arts International with it's beautifully written articles many of which centered on Karateka visiting Japan but also with well written pieces on a variety of martial arts. Your channel is one of the VERY few internet channels that represents taht quality of martial arts journalism / history, keeping out of politics and therefore staying relevant throughout the passage of time by representing quality.

  • @paulr.8365
    @paulr.8365 4 роки тому +9

    Are you gonna perform for us at one point the entire kata ? Great work K-nerd! 🔥

    • @KARATEbyJesse
      @KARATEbyJesse  4 роки тому +9

      I don’t feel qualified, it’s so difficult! 😫 The same goes for the other original Kung-Fu kata I learned in China... It really makes sense why the Okinawans simplified the forms 👍

    • @paulr.8365
      @paulr.8365 4 роки тому +1

      @@KARATEbyJesse I don't blame you man. Nobody with bit of intelligence would judge you for trying but the Net is the Net! Take care

    • @HeyouCrow
      @HeyouCrow 4 роки тому

      @@paulr.8365 AppreCiate, yoUr *hint* (☸️🔐).,
      Believe it was too ☯️ *subtle* tho. 🤷🏻‍♂️🙏

  • @SifuNate
    @SifuNate 4 роки тому +1

    Very Cool!! Thanks for sharing that was very interesting and informative!! 🙏👍

  • @Breaker197
    @Breaker197 4 роки тому +3

    In my school of Shorinji ryu, we practice this kata also. We focus on the Okinawa/Chinese connection a lot, as our system is from Okinawa as opposed to Japan. We're pretty old school. So much so, that I've only ever encountered one other school of our system, which is where my instructor learned from. Nobody ever even knows about our system really. So it's pretty awesome to see what we practice being validated here. Never change Jesse san! Oss!

    • @francomusic2572
      @francomusic2572 Рік тому +2

      Yo también practico shorinji ryu, pero mi estilo es del derivado yushimon, y ya eh aprendido seisan
      Postdata: el dojo en flash que entreno queda en República Dominicana

    • @francomusic2572
      @francomusic2572 Рік тому +2

      En el que entreno*

  • @julianbroughton
    @julianbroughton 4 роки тому +1

    I don't even practice any martial arts but I love your enthusiasm so much! I love hearing you explain the history behind different movements.

  • @han-hun
    @han-hun 4 роки тому +3

    It's amazing. What you show at 10:30 can be found in a lot of our traditional Pencak Silat styles here in Indonesia. Great video!

  • @stevepanda1716
    @stevepanda1716 4 роки тому +1

    Thanks. This is pretty much the way I learned the original and it’s evolution in Okinawa karate. A lot of people don’t seem to get it that the Okinawan masters often adjusted Chinese forms to conform to Okinawan karate kihon, which makes them look a little different, as you show so clearly. Fun to watch.

  • @seadawg93
    @seadawg93 4 роки тому +10

    Seisan! 😮😄
    I learned it as a kid, awesome!
    If I remember correctly we learned it as the first actual kata at yellow belt, with the understanding that it was one of the most important, and that we learned it early so that after years when we got advanced we’d be able to do it correctly.
    EDIT: just watched a video of the Isshin Ryu version; it’s been close to 30 years but I remembered about 2/3 Ed’s of it, maybe I should get back into karate!

    • @popcornzbd
      @popcornzbd 4 роки тому +3

      Never let karate go completely. Even if you just move thru stance and punch. Pick 1 or 2 katas. Sounded like you let your karate go. It's not about fighting. There's so much more to it as I think you know.

  • @Nikolleshi
    @Nikolleshi 3 роки тому +1

    Great to find someone that studies the history of it and explains it too not only the moves!!Its a subscribe for me

  • @jeffainsworth362
    @jeffainsworth362 4 роки тому +4

    Wow Jesse , you’re inspiring me to get back into karate.

  • @jimevans4755
    @jimevans4755 Рік тому +1

    Interesting how varying lineages developed this kata in different ways. Of note for me is that when I learned this kata well over 30 years ago, when studying Ryukyu Kempo, the whole kata was practiced more slowly with dynamic tension.
    Though I have moved on to different systems, I have always been fascinated by history of the arts. These are fantastic videos. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

  • @mirkodisilverio6032
    @mirkodisilverio6032 4 роки тому +3

    I don't practice karate ( I practice aikido) but your enthusiasm and passion literally mesmerize me and show me the complexity ( I never doubt about) of this martial art. Thanks

  • @berkahiyeito3457
    @berkahiyeito3457 4 роки тому +2

    I am very appreciative and happy with your efforts to find out about KATA from the original martial arts BECAUSE now KATA in karate is just a movement without content in the sense that many people do it without knowing the essence of the movement!
    hopefully you will share more of these things with us

  • @cskok2097
    @cskok2097 4 роки тому +30

    Yay!! the full Intro Theme song is back

    • @KARATEbyJesse
      @KARATEbyJesse  4 роки тому +9

      Haha glad you like it! 🙏

    • @cskok2097
      @cskok2097 4 роки тому +6

      @@KARATEbyJesse sensei, this is kata so beautiful!! and graceful!!
      (and towards the end of the video, the master started to speak Fuchow hahahaha)
      appreciate you went all the way to China to get all of us this valuable piece of information (and during Covid outbreak!!)
      appreciates

  • @TheRenegadeMonk
    @TheRenegadeMonk 2 роки тому +1

    Thank you for sharing. Of everything you have shown in your videos this kata is the one thing I most want to learn.

  • @terrycapewell1717
    @terrycapewell1717 4 роки тому +4

    Good to see where it came from, I got my Dan grade when I was 60 three years ago, in our association Seishan is used to grade to 3rd Dan. It is very intricate and is a challenge to get right !

  • @larryjacobs2176
    @larryjacobs2176 4 роки тому +2

    I was taught Seisan via Chito Ryu / Tsruoka and many years later saw and then learnt Hangetsu. The connection was and still is great and it’s a good test for me to do after the other! Thanks.

    • @KARATEbyJesse
      @KARATEbyJesse  4 роки тому +1

      Excellent! Glad to hear you studied multiple styles 👍

    • @larryjacobs2176
      @larryjacobs2176 4 роки тому

      @@KARATEbyJesse I"ve done a bit of work-related travelling so I've had my sensei, Sensei Burke from Canada make intro's and I've been fortunate to workout in different dojos, some brief others a bit longer! Always interesting takeaways from all.

  • @reivhal9057
    @reivhal9057 4 роки тому +13

    6:06 "You kind of connect your glutes to your abs and you get this super strong posture"
    *I Have no Abs* ಥ_ಥ

  • @shinobinomono6250
    @shinobinomono6250 4 роки тому +1

    Thank you for this. I studied Kempo and Shotokan as a kid. Currently studying To-Shin Do, classical Taijutsu, and Kung Fu. This video put certain karate moves into a better perspective. 🙏

  • @hamishcoyne4685
    @hamishcoyne4685 4 роки тому +6

    Thank you Senseii! Love your work

  • @giacomonisoli3815
    @giacomonisoli3815 4 роки тому +2

    Thank you so much, sensei. You are a great teacher. I practice shotokan karate and hangetsu is one of my favorite kata. So strong, so beautiful. Thank you for your videos.

  • @SIMONSK9CLUB
    @SIMONSK9CLUB 4 роки тому +3

    Loved this video. I love how sensei explains the history. He makes history interesting 😊

  • @kn0ck_0ut95
    @kn0ck_0ut95 4 роки тому +1

    Shorei-Ryu Karateke here! In our style we call this kata Sanchin and we perform 80-90% of the kata in tension. Our stance is a more narrow version of his original and we call it Sanchin Dachi (Hourglass Stance). I call it Tommy Pickles Leg Syndrome, but I digress haha. Our entire second portion of the kata is vastly different than the Seisan performed here, but I'd know those opening 3 moves anywhere

  • @FilipAlexiusJoos
    @FilipAlexiusJoos 4 роки тому +4

    This is a brilliant comparison Jesse. Thank you for that!

  • @terri6342
    @terri6342 4 роки тому +1

    That's an amazing piece of information about all katas. I had no idea of this connection. Thanks

  • @HamzaTuranKubulay
    @HamzaTuranKubulay 4 роки тому +33

    Oldest version looks like southern kung fu. For sure it comes from the shaolin.

    • @davidmartinez9804
      @davidmartinez9804 4 роки тому +3

      Yea Karate is based off Shaolin.

    • @pierre-lucmorrissette6928
      @pierre-lucmorrissette6928 4 роки тому

      Im teaching wing chun kung fu, and lots of the movement in there are in our style.

    • @feminico2613
      @feminico2613 4 роки тому

      I think karate was based off of kungfu

    • @arbogast4950
      @arbogast4950 4 роки тому +3

      Shaolin was a martial arts hub. Not necessarily a place of invention. A lot of the Shaolin forms you learn used to be complete styles.

    • @gbormann71
      @gbormann71 4 роки тому +6

      He explains it in his China Trip videos. It's called Incense Shop Boxing. Jesse first visited a White Crane master but it felt not close enough. Then he had a disappointing experience at the Southern Shaolin site.
      They were wandering about until they bumped into two student with whom they exchanged ideas, to then be kicked out by staff; off that received some intel that one of the 'original' styles is now known as Incense Shop. The story is that when the fighting monks got kicked out by the CCP, some of them regrouped and secretly practised behind an Incense Shop.
      That guy is one of the few left that still knows about the style. Given the circumstances over the years, it was difficult to gather a large enough group of students to keep the style alive. They might but but I think this footage will become a historic document for future karate history researchers!
      (By the way, there were a few other encounters with different Southern style practitioners but they seemed tangential to the main thrust of the story. Don't skip them, though! The form applications they show are real eye-openers. Lots of trapping going on that is not evident from the form moves, moves that have a lot in common with moves in katas.)

  • @arlenehueholt5661
    @arlenehueholt5661 4 роки тому +1

    Absoletly fasanating! The finer details you mention are so important, and get lost over time. I appreciate your scholarly endeavor to understand and preserve this knowledge that is vanishing. Thank you!

    • @KARATEbyJesse
      @KARATEbyJesse  4 роки тому

      Thank you! The smallest details can make the biggest difference 👊

  • @mgunfighter
    @mgunfighter 4 роки тому +18

    if it's possible, perhaps jesse can work with naka sensei in kuro-obi world? cheers

  • @christophercurtis2893
    @christophercurtis2893 3 роки тому +1

    You are so excited about what you've learnt your breathing is unmeasured Jesse! Must have been fantastic discovering - and being taught this.

  • @ShinSuperSaiyajin
    @ShinSuperSaiyajin 4 роки тому +28

    finally!!!!
    hope you eventually go back to china and learn some more Incense Shop Boxing!

  • @tylerrea2529
    @tylerrea2529 4 роки тому +1

    Your Video is a most generous gift, highlighting the vital details of this remarkable form and it's Martial DNA. Deepest Thanks and Best success in your training.

  • @pstamaria
    @pstamaria 4 роки тому +5

    As usual ..... Brilliant! Thx Jesse Sensei! Who would have thought?!

  • @jameschant2740
    @jameschant2740 3 роки тому +1

    It's very interesting how Seisan Kata became the seed of karate by laying the framework from which all forms of karate share. Fundamentals like wide stances, circular blocks, and short range strikes make it a must know for any practitioner of the art. Had the joy to learn the Uechi-Ryu version many years ago. Excellent overview on it, Jesse.

  • @juanitakapp4250
    @juanitakapp4250 4 роки тому +3

    Loved it! Always great to learn how to do a new kata and what the moves mean. Thank you!

  • @onlyhuman7420
    @onlyhuman7420 4 роки тому +2

    I love this kind of videos where Jesse explores ancient roots of Karate.You are great presenter.Thank you.

  • @iamdjsluggo
    @iamdjsluggo 4 роки тому +5

    Wow. You are a great Sensei.
    Even showing the Bunki
    Thank you for the history lesson. I have not been in a Dojo in over ten years. You have made me want to return.
    Arigatou gozaimasu

  • @jodyethridge2988
    @jodyethridge2988 5 місяців тому +1

    A teaching video of the original seisan would be fabulous. I'd love to learn it. Be great to be part of keeping it alive.

  • @tevman69
    @tevman69 4 роки тому +3

    Beautifully explained and executed.

  • @Carlos-lv5fx
    @Carlos-lv5fx Рік тому

    Best Martial Arts Video ever. It's great to see the connections amongst styles (not only of Karate) coming down to a simple set of movements with specific breathing techniques

  • @christineb1464
    @christineb1464 4 роки тому +7

    Wow, it's cool to see how similar the moves I learned in Isshin Ryu are to the originals.

    • @philipouma3867
      @philipouma3867 4 роки тому

      I did isshin ryu too! What is you lineage

    • @anime-nut2626
      @anime-nut2626 4 роки тому

      I’m under Nagle/Lizotte. I think it’s interesting seeing how we still do the semi block like traditional Kung Fu.

  • @rockerdrake
    @rockerdrake 4 роки тому +1

    Oh my God!!! This is the very source. Can't be more greatful for this content

  • @apatheticsquid5658
    @apatheticsquid5658 4 роки тому +7

    7:20 the move is almost identical to the way a lot of goju ryu practioners perform their osai-uke, particularly those who've trained under the jundokan such as myself. A prime example would be before the last punch in saifa kata or after the sets renzoku punches in sesan

    • @KO-us9dg
      @KO-us9dg 4 роки тому

      How long since you have trained at the Jundokan? I'm planning on going asap

  • @randallpetroelje3913
    @randallpetroelje3913 3 роки тому +1

    Love ya!!! Always good teaching and info. Thanks 🙏 again for your show. The bubishi is a classical text every martial artist should study.

  • @supaida_man
    @supaida_man 4 роки тому +7

    All Japanese martial arts
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  • @thefivepeacefulheartsclub5898
    @thefivepeacefulheartsclub5898 4 роки тому +2

    Good Educational video for Neophytes. Hidetaka Nishiyama based a lot of his budo concepts on Seisan. In his goal of One Karate beyond Ryuha the Kata Kitei was created in about 1985. Keep up the good work on promoting You are a true ambassador. Oss.

  • @LimerickShojinkai
    @LimerickShojinkai 4 роки тому +5

    A lot of Hangetsu in my training recently. A personal favourite. Lovely to see the Chinese version. Osu.

  • @soonerkickboxing1
    @soonerkickboxing1 4 роки тому +1

    An amazing video Jesse....!!! we are so happy for your work , keep it on..... salutes from Atlanta, GA....

  • @mykulpierce
    @mykulpierce 4 роки тому +5

    This is getting very interesting! For military practice I expect to see more arm breaks in martial arts. We see them in the European manuscripts. Even though we haven't kept up on that as being a continuous art we have The manuals of fiore, tollhoffer, and others that demonstrate the necessity of grappling with swordplay. What is often referred to as winden und binden ( winding and binding) which is this sort of circular motion has during contact with your enemy in order to change your position to gain mechanical advantage.
    Fiore in his manual promotes his techniques with the idea of how often he's broken people's arms. But you'll see no groundwork at all in the manual. all of these holds and breaks are done from standing positions. A single arm wrap followed by a strike very similar to what we're seeing here. He goes to show the universality of combat arms and the military practice of martial arts. It's roots in military practice rather than self-defense.

    • @KARATEbyJesse
      @KARATEbyJesse  4 роки тому +4

      Interesting! Thanks for sharing 😄👍

    • @mykulpierce
      @mykulpierce 4 роки тому

      @@JosephKerr27 I'm not familiar with Matt but would be interested in additional standing breaks

    • @francoiswilliams
      @francoiswilliams 4 роки тому

      Cool, you in EU now?

    • @LTBrink
      @LTBrink 4 роки тому

      Michael Pierce He is referring to Matt Easton, a Historical European Martial Arts instructor from Britain. “ context” is one of his key catch phrases.

    • @FlorisGerber
      @FlorisGerber 4 роки тому

      dude, your sentence is somewhat confusing:
      Winden und Binden has very little to do with ringen and arm breaks.
      That is not to say that winding and binding is not important, or is not the art of getting a mechanical advantage;
      nor is it to say that Wrestling is not important in Swordplay, because especcially arm entrapments and jolting "breaks" are really important. ( I have some vid's on my channel highlighting wrestling, especially arm wrestling techniques)
      It's just to say that your sentence makes it look as if these two concepts were intertwined, which they are only peripherally.

  • @karate357
    @karate357 4 роки тому +1

    Thank you Jesse for posting, sharing, and Explaining what was shared and imparted to you. I hope you share the second part of the kata that you referenced earlier in this video. Grateful.

  • @01MeuCanal
    @01MeuCanal 4 роки тому +5

    Very cool but this also show that Karate Masters were really modernizing Kung Fu. Could you show the complete today's Seisan bunkai?

  • @zyx7478
    @zyx7478 4 роки тому +2

    I study Traditional Kung Fu and Karate (also) who does Seisan great stuff Seisan means 13 in Fukienese and maybe in the Okinawan dialect. I was fortunate to study in both Taipei Taiwan and later in The peoples Republic of China. I’m glad to say I’m forever a student😊

  • @neonknight5857
    @neonknight5857 4 роки тому +5

    That old man swings his arms in the strangest way.
    It's like they're abnormally flexible or something. He looks like he's trying to snap his arms like whips.

    • @unclesuave
      @unclesuave 4 роки тому +3

      It would be exactly that. That loose whipping force is common in many Kung Fu systems. Water flowing around a solid object and then crashing. The Iron Ball and Chain instead of an Iron Bar as Bruce Lee described it.

    • @bladesxf
      @bladesxf 3 роки тому +1

      To see more whipping forms, you can look up another Chinese kungfu style called Piguaquan/Piguazhang (or "Pi Kua Chuan/Chang" 劈挂拳、劈挂掌、披挂拳) which, in the variant names, literally translates to "Chopping/Cleaving/Unrolling" + "Hanging" + "Fist/Palm".
      The older (and my preferred) 披 name primarily describes the action of unrolling something (e.g. a carpet) or throwing on something (e.g. a covering) but can also mean to scatter/spread apart (typically solid, non-granulated) objects or used in context of opening something.
      The younger and current 劈 name is much more aggressive and means chopping/cleaving/hacking as with an axe. Interestingly, the Chinese characters reflect this ideological change from a "hand" radical to a "blade/knife" radical.

    • @neonknight5857
      @neonknight5857 3 роки тому

      @@bladesxf hey thanks for the suggestion

  • @danielquest8644
    @danielquest8644 3 роки тому +1

    Absolutely amazing analysis! So well done!

  • @drakeshihan5489
    @drakeshihan5489 4 роки тому +4

    Yamagushi taught Front heel in line with the back toe in sanchin stance.

  • @thomaselmore1155
    @thomaselmore1155 4 роки тому +1

    American Kenpo, Ed Parkers modified Chinese Kenpo came from Japan to Hawaii, then he brought it to the mainland US. It has all the elements, movements and sequences, but becoming more involved and spread among other things throughout the kata's. Such as double factor blocking, using a fluid quick parry or block just before the primary blocks for more options.. Nice seeing the knowledge is there. Thanks!

  • @ReviveHF
    @ReviveHF 4 роки тому +11

    Looks like Wing Chun, White Crane and Hung Kuen forms, perhaps there's missing link?

    • @KARATEbyJesse
      @KARATEbyJesse  4 роки тому +6

      You should check out my webseries ”Karate Nerd in China” ua-cam.com/play/PLnepTzrhzuB-6k93Klo0L5GDwiMym3Y9a.html

    • @rockerdrake
      @rockerdrake 4 роки тому

      It's five ancestors 五祖拳

  • @aoshi3000
    @aoshi3000 4 роки тому +1

    YOU BLOW MY MIND, YOUR MOST INTERESTING VIDEO SO FAR , THANKS A LOT

  • @jayvardhannaruka5953
    @jayvardhannaruka5953 4 роки тому +3

    Love from india

  • @VIVEKKUMAR-tj5ir
    @VIVEKKUMAR-tj5ir 4 роки тому +1

    You are best. Your explanation of Technics is very easy to understand. Great deep knowledge received from your side. Domo aregeito.

  • @oldbutbold
    @oldbutbold 4 роки тому +4

    I really thought the Chinese master demonstrated Karate. Wow.

  • @0713mas
    @0713mas 3 роки тому +1

    I knew the version taught in karate, now I'm gonna learn the full Chinese version! Ty Jessie, excellent

  • @giovannip.1433
    @giovannip.1433 4 роки тому +6

    Cool. I would have thought 4 directional punching would be the oldest kata because of its simplicity?

  • @FernandoInglesbr
    @FernandoInglesbr 4 роки тому

    Hello Jesse!
    My name is Fernando Ingles I’m from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.
    I’m a professional musician and currently I’m also a Jiu-Jitsu practitioner and instructor.
    Although due to the pandemic all activities at the academy have stopped, while things were ‘normal’ I taught Jiu-jitsu for kids ages 3-15 and also helped with adult beginners.
    The first thing I want to say is to extend an invitation for you and your brother to come down to Rio to spend some time here, I think you’ll like it a lot and I’m certain you will be very welcomed by us all.
    Another is that earlier in my life, before I went to live in the US for my University years, I practiced Capoeira.
    I absolutely loooove it and as soon as I’m able to heal properly from my recent knee surgery I’ll also start Capoeira back again.
    But what I want to say most of all about Capoeira is that the professor that taught me (Master Di Mola) has been residing in Sweden for quite a few years now, in Norrkoping.
    He is one of the best Capoeiristas (Capoeira practitioners) ever, a true master!
    I think it would be really wonderful to see you interact with him and exchange knowledge with someone from such a different art-form.
    I’m a recent subscriber of your channel and I’m enjoying it tremendously!!
    Congrats on all your success it is clearly earned and well-deserved!
    Oss!

  • @mateiistrate5961
    @mateiistrate5961 4 роки тому +6

    That's amazing

  • @pkicng210
    @pkicng210 3 роки тому +1

    I have learned a lot in your videos. All are in depth- i think you should have your PhD. The WuDang Baguazhang has only one kata. It took me 3 years. Its no use in practicing it, even my sifu couldn't be close to perfect. But back in 1973, I saw tis kata performed by an Is shin Ryu expert. The hip power, is tremendous and the stability is awesome. Someone tried to wrestle him but , the Is shin ryu guy just face the wrestler side ways. the wrestler attacked- double palm strikes . The wrestler goes: " you're not suppose to hit". Very educational and cerebral.

  • @mariushillestad6723
    @mariushillestad6723 4 роки тому +5

    its disturbing my peace, that someone disliked this (?)

    • @toanthony
      @toanthony 4 роки тому

      I’m guessing because they disagree that seisan is the oldest kata. Eg Hanshi Patrick McCarthy’s research suggests Bushi Matsumura version is the oldest, yet there were a number of kata in Okinawa long before he was even born

    • @josef-peterroemer5309
      @josef-peterroemer5309 23 дні тому +1

      ​@@toanthonythat is true, but according to history Susan was around before He was born he just adjusted the Kata to meet his needs, which is common in Okinawan Kata. In Modern Times westerners believe Kata should never be changed from masters teaching. But then again the Okinawan Sensei's taught karate only in very small groups or less and adjusted their student teaching to students physical makeup. That is why you see students from same Sensei at same time period doing the Kata a bit different. I'm talking early days, before styles, which came later. It was common for Sensei to send his students to other masters to learn that masters specialty. Something not done in modern times since styles evolved so that students need to stay and learn from one master.

  • @swanify69
    @swanify69 2 роки тому +1

    So cool , it’s rekindling my roots of the style I was taught. 👍🏾🙏🏾

  • @kshitijhsharma3628
    @kshitijhsharma3628 4 роки тому +6

    did you know the first martial arts created was in Indian martial arts kalaripayattu later on an indian went to china to spread buddhism and created kung fu

  • @Meymeygwis
    @Meymeygwis 4 роки тому +2

    Such a wealth of information born from years training, devotion and diligent study. Thank you for sharing the fruits of your journey.

  • @toast2300
    @toast2300 4 роки тому +26

    Imagine being early and having nothing to say...

  • @tjbjjtkd
    @tjbjjtkd 4 роки тому +2

    It is actually one of my favorite kata to look at! So much history and connection from China to Okinawa.

  • @supaida_man
    @supaida_man 4 роки тому +27

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    • @Hy-jg8ow
      @Hy-jg8ow 4 роки тому +9

      Choy le fut
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      Bagua
      I guess there are others too...

    • @Ronin-101
      @Ronin-101 4 роки тому +3

      Man seriously, i appreciate the time u took to type these..

    • @supaida_man
      @supaida_man 4 роки тому +1

      @@Hy-jg8ow yeah some of it i translate it to English

    • @BZY-bu9wr
      @BZY-bu9wr 4 роки тому +1

      This is a pretty good list! I'm sure there's more but this is a pretty good start.

    • @caronnecheung9051
      @caronnecheung9051 4 роки тому

      Ba gua quan and yang family spears system

  • @gomezizael4556
    @gomezizael4556 4 роки тому

    I searched it also on the Internet and yes, the Seisan Kata does exist in all karate styles and I didn't not know that this was the oldest. I watched your episode, Karate Nerd in China and those episodes really opened my mind and heart to studying martial arts more and more. Salute Jesse Sensei! 👍