I guess I got annoyed against so many "top tiers" and not taking breaks when I lose to process things. Like I got dark pit to elite and didn't switch off of him as he my newest main and I just kept losing now I'm not close to elite smash again
I can never stick with one character for more than a week or two as I just get bored of them and pick up someone else, so i never greatly improve with anyone
I’ve been improving exponentially lately but something I’m noticing is I have a couple bad habits, such as mashing air dodge while in hitstun, and trying to play a hyper punish game where I try to punish any mistake that wasn’t punishable, like still being in shield stun and then getting ducked by a spot dodge jab or smash attack. Also need to work on shield pressure a bit more
One of the biggest things that helped me improve was watching pros that use my character in tourneys and slowing down the video to like .5 speed and analyze what they are doing. I use to always just watch pro plays and think yeah I can do that but when I slowed it down .5 I was actually able to see things I never saw before. When they would fast fall, how they DId, when the pivoted, all of the stuff I never really noticed when watching before. This was what finally put me into elite smash.
I love smash. I like winning. I can handle losing. But when i play online by myself. Quick play especially. I don't have fun. Because like you saif those hyper competitive t baggers manage to tick me off and i wallow in it
Thank you SOOOOOOO much for the point about frame data, feeling things out through experience will always be easier than number crunching in the moment. Back in Smash 4 frame data wasn't that readily available so moves fell into two different categories: "I can shieldgrab that" and "I can't shieldgrab that" and you just learned through experience
Gotta thank you, man. I was watching this video because I just wanted to learn how to play a simple party game, but I had no idea what I was walking into. I realize now what I need to do in my regular day to day life, the things I like to do, and sports as well. Thank you, this was so much more than a smash video.
You put your heart and soul into playing a game where teenagers know how to win championships and grand prizes but can't bathe or get a decent haircut 😂😂😂😂
I’ve been expecting too much of myself and it’s been frustrating me and making me feel burnt out. Leaves me constantly complaining and definitely not learning like you said. I’m going to come back with a new mindset, thank you Red Garren
There was a time where all I would do is watch elite smash players play, rather than play myself because I would get too stressed out and a little depressed when I go on quick play and never felt like I was progressing. I am playing in a tournament this weekend that I am sure to get bodied at but I’m just trying to learn to have fun with this game again.
Sent this in a group chat of friends that are really into Smash and tagged one of them with the thumbnail showing without saying anything just to start controversy.
Yesterday I was at my first local. I always was pretty scared of that because my only Training was Level 9 CPUs and I didnt really have a dedicated main. It turned out to be really fun: everyone was super nice and I actually won against some peoples mains. I had a really Bad experience of losing in online a couple of Months ago. Everyone was toxic and i lost every game. Now i realize, that learing can be really fun and motivating. Especially with an awsome Community. If you have any locals near you im beging you to go. It is one of the most fun and effektive ways to get better.
It depends a bit on the character you use, but, you can just practice edge guarding, like, go to training, preferably competitive stage, grab mario, and let your opponent be bowser, then activate the no increase in percentages option, put bowser in like 70-80% and try to edgeguard bowser 5 times in a row, with bair, the good thing about Mario for this is his drift, it lets you react, try to match browser's position when he's recovering and time the bair, good luck, you can try other character, but mario worked really well for me, if you get fairly consistent, you can change to your's, the problem with trying to edgeguard with some other characters, is that you don't have that much time to react, and you have to rely maybe too much on predicting how your opponent is going to recover, making it harder to make it consistent. But do it however you prefer, try to not make it a chore, but a challenge, and hopefully you'll improve, good luck
There's also a lot of players in elite smash who will tank a few characters just to keep the less skilled players from advancing on the ladder. And then you may also be unlucky enough to come across streamers doing a 0 gsp to elite smash video. I've been experiencing this myself lately. I'll steamroll a handful of fights then get squashed by someone who clearly belongs way above my GSP bracket, and I just get stuck at a low GSP as a result and can't seem to get anywhere. It can be frustrating but at the end of the day it is just a skill issue.
I ended up dropping the game altogether for lack of time and money, but I always look back and feel sad for the dreams I had, and could never get there
this was the fastest 11 minutes has ever gone by for me, i literally quit smash bros last night from being so frustrated. i am a ness main(no i dont just spam pk fire) and ive been pretty close to elite smash a few times but i keep getting knocked down so far and having to work my way up again, i decided to try some top tiers and absolutely sucked which lead me to the point of dizzying frustration. this makes me want to keep playing smash but overall i still have a deep hatred for the game, ik my gsp dropping is a skill issue but the games mechanics seem very inconsistent at times. it would also be nice if they would balance characters so that you dont have to switch, because in reality tier lists will eventually matter no matter how good you are at like a bottom tier or mid tier. but yeah the you wont improve while you arent enjoying the process is a great point and so i will give it another shot, and if i dont become a top tier player then at least im a top tier yapper
Holy shit I needed to watch this. Thank you so much for this informative and blunt video. I have a bad habit of getting tilted. So much that I've seen myself become toxic. Leaving rooms, not fist bumping my competitors, and being nasty. Even though my friends assure me I'm fine I see how much heavy lifting they have to do for me emotionally so I don't spiral. And that's not a healthy way to live Since I've been focusing more on school and other hobbies, I feel I can appreciate smash in a new light. I do want to get back into consistent practice but it needs to be where I am having fun with it. Until that time comes I'll play with friends when I feel up to it and compete when I am mentally ready to.
I was somewhat following during the middle, but those summary notes at the end truly were speaking to me, especially about expecting too much from myself lol
This video was very informative and you did such a good job with it @redgerran. I’m probably a high casual low tournament player skill level. I love the game every since I was a little kid, and you’re very right about we should be having fun playing smash bros and not being mad at the players or game all the time or just take a break if you do get to upset at the game.
I main Zelda. Yesterday was going well until I met 3 Kazuyas who were each cracked at the jank set, giving me 120+ damage from one interaction or simply taking my stock because i overcommitted at 0%. My problem was definitely allowing it to bother me which made me play progressively worse. I figured that just rematching might help me understand the MU better, but I had already lost the battle mentally. I ended up missing setups and combos which normally i land. After several more games, i swapped to Captain Falcon to refresh myself which helped my mood. Eventually i swapped back to Zelda and started playing well again! It's just proves that your mental state plays a significant role in gameplay
There are points and advice in this video that I like and that I don't like, but overall it's a good video! There are some things I'd like to add to/give my 2 cents on though 1. It's awesome that you link outside resources to help people learn the fundamentals, however, you could've also mentioned the idea that people can also seek out players in Smash discords that are not only willing to help someone learn the basics of the game, but the basics of their main. 2. Tier lists don't matter at the lower levels of play, yes. However, they do depending on what the player's goals are. For example, if they want to be the best in the world, then they would want to lean closer to the High and Top Tiers. If they just want to be the best in their city/state/friend group, then they could do that with anyone. Tier lists matter at certain levels of play, but I do still really like this point 3. Frame Data can be useful for learning certain options that can help save your skin in certain situations. As an example, I main Banjo & Kazooie and I sometimes find myself against characters like Sonic and Steve. By looking at Frame Data, I can see what my fastest moves are to get them off of me in a pinch. While you are correct in that you won't be calculating this in game, it's always helpful to know in the back of your mind that if you're in a tight spot, your character can do x, y, or z. 4. I just want a chance to gush over this analogy really quick, I love the toolbox analogy. I've always looked at every move in a character's moveset as a tool and the character themselves as a brand of tool, where some are better and some are worse. But thinking of them like toolboxes is a better analogy since not all characters have the same tools like some tool brands do. 5. Instead of saying "NSO Hours can be deceptive" just say they really don't matter. It's very similar to GSP where you can get a rough idea of a person's skill based on either number but they're definitely not a good way to measure it. 6. I love the advice of not comparing yourself to others, but one thing I would add is telling people to not be afraid to look to others for advice or just watching other people play their character. It can really help if you're struggling in one spot to see how someone else handles it, whether it be a pro or someone who might be at your skill level. 7. I like the like button plug lol, that was funny. But there is a real 2nd thing I would add on top of optimizing your practice. Analyzing your play. Some people have an eye for it and some don't but if you can look back at replays or tournament vods, especially ones of you losing, then maybe you can see yourself doing an option that you wouldn't do normally or you can see something you struggle with, then tailor your training to that. It especially helps when you have a friend to call you out as you train so you can notice bad habits and kick them in the pants before your next "serious" play session, whether it be a tournament or not. 8. 4:56 you literally showed why Spring Stadium is not legal lol, celings are goofy and you can live things that would normally kill thanks to teching 9. Getting back to the Stage/Ruleset to train point, this can go both ways. Sure, just mindlessly playing this won't be helpful, but you can use it for experimenting. What options kill earlier on Battlefield than Kalos? What stages are you or your character more comfortable on? What stages do you hate and want to ban for your next set? Using the competitive ruleset and stage list to train is not inherently a bad idea and I don't like how it seems like you were eager to brush it off. 9. When you say playing against more Mario players and figuring things out is scientifically incorrect, you never directly go into how or why, instead just capping it off with "at least for now". If you had given the evidence to back up the claim, I would've been more inclined to look into it more but I am someone who targets playing with specific characters to feel out options that my character has against theirs. Maybe it's a personal thing, but things work different for everyone. 10. Juggling can be useful, but that's not all you can do. You can learn your character's bread and butter combos and see how they work on certain characters. Using Mario as an example, I can see how early Up-Tilt or Wonderwing kills Mario, or see how Egg Ladders work against him. I feel like the training mode section, at least in regards to matchups, could've been expanded upon. I also like how you mention CPUs and how it's a low-stakes way to practice, but it can be an extension off of the point I just brought up, too. You can see how DI affects combos that maybe you thought were true in the lab. 11. I like the dopamine and motivation point, but discipline can also play an equal factor in it, especially since discipline and patience play into each other. Smash Ultimate is a game of patience, after all. Players like Sonix and Sparg0 prove this. One is not better than the other, both can play equal parts towards improvement. 12. I like the point with the bad learning stimuli, but I feel like you could've explained how huge part of this game is mentality. 13. The pro player point is 100% debatable, Shadic wanted to become the best Corrin in the world, and becoming a top player was a side effect. DKBill (or Grandmaster Bill) has a few excellent videos going into this in greater detail. 14. I like the 2nd closing point, though you don't really give some ideas on how to do it which is kind of a bummer. Granted, everyone is different, but it could help someone who's lost for ideas. I know I was at that point once until a friend gave me an idea to break up my overall goal into smaller goals. Like steps. You start small and eventually you'll get to your ultimate (pun intended) goal. 15. I like how your ending point is having fun. Smash is just a game at the end of the day, so if you aren't having fun then why bother? Overall I like the video, these are just things I noticed and if anything it's me nitpicking. This isn't meant to take a jab at the video or dismiss the quality, but hopefully just a bit of criticism. Take it as you will!
When I try to get competitive with link, my main, I stress too much and loose matchups that I shouldn’t, but once I switch characters like snake/Ganon, I just become effortlessly better cuz I’m not worried about loosing with these characters, so yes stress is something to consider
I compare myself to others to much and hold my self much higher. It holds me back this video just might be the reason you see me on the top bracket some day❤ thank you
Im a jr in high school and one of my major goals since sophomore year is to be the best smash player in the school i got into smash last year thanks to a friend we would play and i wasn’t all that good but ultimate was fun and i wanted to be good but i didn’t have a switch i had a 3ds tho so thats how played smash. it was difficult trying to get better off of smash for the 3ds but i spend the time practicing looking up guides on how to be better (wanted to mention i main little mac aswell) and for the most part it work i became one of the best players i wasnt able to reach the goal last year and i still lost some matches but i was really proud of myself on how far i came moral of the story work hard and accomplish your dreams no matter how big or small they are
Based on this my biggest hang up is not having fun. Don’t get me wrong I do enjoy smash, but there’s just so many things that get me worked up. From the laundry list of complaints I could list about just about any and every character on the roster, to the frustration of feeling like your moves are always either a little mispaced or slow, or just not know how to brake my bad habits. Going to tournaments or playing online is just me frequently thinking, oh god I have to play against this character. And nothing is a confidence killer like going to a local and going 0-2 and barely being able to get one stock off you opponents
I will say, at the start of Ultimate, I was red hot in my local scene. Multiple top cut finishes, really hype plays and moments, all that good stuff. Then when the pandemic hit, all that momentum came to a screaming halt. Even though offline events would eventually come back, I recognized I was not the same player/person I once was. The problem was that while I was steadily trying to find my groove and regain form, everyone else in my local scene just got exponentially better! So I got desperate to play a pointless game of catch up. I went from being a consistent top 8 finisher and regional threat in my scene to someone who can barely go 2-2 on a good day. I'm not really sure what my obstacle is. Character? Doubtful. I did switch from Mario to Sora (he was my dream character) and after seeing Kameme in action, i knew Sora wasn't a bad pick. Metagame? Possible. With Steve on the warpath, I know a few people who have switched to Steve just because they wanna win, but on that same token, I saw Kameme destroy Onin at Battle of BC last year. The meta is changing, but its nothing I can't adapt to. Mentality? For sure the biggest obstacle. Like I said, i went from being one of my scene's stronger players to basically a jobber. And it got frustrating trying to play catch up over the last 3 years. And it really is a journey I have to go alone. I've asked a lot of folks in my scene to help/advice and no one really wants to. So I go it alone. And it's very frustrating. The video was great, and I'm definitely going to watch it on repeat when I need it.
One thing they don’t tell you is the lag online vs offline play is horrendously different and you have to get used to that, or tournaments will be tough for you.
The only area of the game where I’m not having fun is quickplay. I don’t like the moral effect gsp has over me . I feel like it determines my self worth at smash , even though I don’t want to.
My main issue playing smash is that sometimes I have dificulties using the moves I want to,mainly SIDE tilt and back sir(close to the ground) as it's honestly insane how precise I have to be with my button presses in a intense game like smash,I Hope they make It easier to execute in Future games
Here’s my problem: At my area, if you win a smash bros competition, you get a switch oled. BUT HERES WHATS HOLDING ME BACK. I’m trying, and FAILING!!! And my mind goes on overdrive and thinks I’m going to loose! I need help.
That thing at the end about your brain overloading? HAHAHA oh that’s SO TRUE. Not even with smash bros, just stuff. Like school or Fortnite. Both do/did have the same issue with overloading and just getting worse except it wasn’t just my gameplay getting worse, but my mental state. School and Fortnite both equally cut my mental state into little pieces… slowly… and painfully… like your fingers getting cut off
I love juggling Mario. When I wake up, I juggle Mario. While I'm eating breakfast, I'm juggling Mario. While I'm walking the dog, one hand is holding a Switch, juggling Mario. At my wedding ceremony, one hand was holding my wife, the other was juggling Mario. Juggling Mario is love, juggling Mario is life.
People shit on playing against CPUs for practice all the time. I don't get why. Just play against them as if they actually punished properly for their character, don't abuse their bad habits (air dodge fishing usually), and focus on learning advantage state and ledge guarding. CPUs literally read your inputs, which unironically really helps for learning advantage, ledgeguarding options, and frame trapping options with any character. Their DI is a little bizarre, but then again, HBox dies to Boost Kick at 60 soooo... More importantly, just focus on having fun and being relaxed when practicing. Play with friends, and use arenas to find better opponents for your skill level. Quick play is so awful but it's most peoples' go-to, but it highly encourages cheese, one-and-dones, and abusing the crappy Smash netcode, with a focus on imaginary points going up or down. I've never used it myself, but I've heard good things about Anther's ladder for better matchmaking, and there's still some active Discord servers with an online grind channel. With more people using Ethernet adapters, too. Seriously, anything but QP. 🙀
I pretty much only play against the computer just for the mere fact that I can't stand the delay with online. My game probably has lots of weaknesses from not knowing as much what a human player will do, but I was decent enough to regularly be a top competitor in the monthly tournament I went to.
Right now in my journey of trying to get good at smash, ive lost at least 3 controllers to a bunch of t baggers 💀. Im honestly past the point where smash isnt fun anymore without winning
Rn i just need to play more hours on smash. My friends say a lot of knowledge i already have i just need to exercise it more. But i think i can abuse the cpus even at the skill level i am Probably learn to whiff punish them or know which options are better
I spent around 3200 hours in game, give or take. I play mainly against bots and it has helped my fundamentals of the game. I can b reverse and ledge trump really well which is handy for me since I main Snake. I got to elite smash, but I honestly hate online smash. Playing against bots has helped me pick up on reading habits. Like the kazuya CPU will try to spam side b if he gets a trip or tech chase. Or like when I play against my step brothers banjo. He'd usually try to spam side b at kill percent. I learned how to consistently parry wonder wing and that gave me an easy back throw punish every time. I'm from KY and I played against Alondite, probably the best Ike played in KY. I got him down to his last stock twice and got him to kill percent twice. Not bad for a casual player huh?
Correction One: Frame data doesn't require math mid match. Frame data tells you which moves to look out for and how to punish them before a match begins. Correction Two: Fighting CPUs isn't good practice. Fight someone that's BETTER than you and ask for matchup advice-specific questions = specific answers.
Yeah I don't know where this "Debunked" information for bad habits is and I would love to see it. Even logically you can understand that the input reading nature of CPUs often gets exploited sometimes even on accident as a means of beating them and they aren't going to be adapting to you a way a human would. That is what makes the bad habits. You stop trying to adapt because your basic layer 1 play starts beating CPUs because they never learn to deal with your silly gimmick.
Tomorrow i have a tournament... and based on my acknowledge i could possibly win it... but my first match could be against a kkr that i think is an anoying character but i know thar i can beat him... and then, this video shows up, thanks, let's see how it goes tomorrow
@@not-a-Champ- They each have their strengths and weaknesses. The amiibo is more challenging, but it's only marginally better than practicing against a CPU (and even then, I'd recommend not feeding it spirits).
I made an entire video about the myths people use to argue that CPU's give you bad habits, but basically it boils down to the fact that they're just one of many resources you can use to get better.
Dicsipline is better than motivation. Sure, motivation will help you start and continue, but discpline will keep you to it instead of relying on a chemical that may not always come. What's better? Being motivated to go to the gym but only when you're motivated or disciplined to go to the gym every day at a set and end and start time. Overall, discpline is better because it's more reliable and keeps you on it. Motivation is the quick fuel you get (carbs), but you can't rely on it but can help you get the energy to start. While discpline (protein) can help you keep your gains and recover. Overall, discpline is better. Motivation is needed for discipline, but discpline is more reliable and more long term conpared to motivation.
@redgerran Like I said, motivation helps you be more disciplined, but it isn't always reliable. Take New years Revolution, for example. People go to the gym but give up because they aren't disciplined. Motivation is in the formula for discipline, but there is more to it. Like being serious, being committed, and staying disciplined even if you feel motivation is lost. To go back to the previous example, I stated in my comment is to take motivation as carbs. Carbs are underrated, to say the least, and give you energy and, at times, quick energy, but you can't rely on that to get and keep gains you need protein to keep your gains recover faster to keep up with your goals and can heal faster from possible injuries that could kill energy/motivation. Carbs are good, but there's a reason why protein is loved. Because even in laspes of lack of motivation, discipline keeps you to the straight and narrow. Motivation is an ingredient to discipline, but there's a reason why we are building up to discpline.
I’m average cuz the online is so bad as to be actually unplayable in any competitive sense so I played For Fun like a rational player would till Nintendumb fixes their servers lmao
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What's holding YOU back as a Smash player?
I guess I got annoyed against so many "top tiers" and not taking breaks when I lose to process things. Like I got dark pit to elite and didn't switch off of him as he my newest main and I just kept losing now I'm not close to elite smash again
I can never stick with one character for more than a week or two as I just get bored of them and pick up someone else, so i never greatly improve with anyone
@@redgerran my opponents
I’ve been improving exponentially lately but something I’m noticing is I have a couple bad habits, such as mashing air dodge while in hitstun, and trying to play a hyper punish game where I try to punish any mistake that wasn’t punishable, like still being in shield stun and then getting ducked by a spot dodge jab or smash attack. Also need to work on shield pressure a bit more
THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO KNOW!
Dude came back from the void to call you bad at the game, truly inspirational
Man's dropping wisdom and life advice disguised as a video game tutorial
The real answer is to stop playing the game competitively as it’s not worth your time and energy.
One of the biggest things that helped me improve was watching pros that use my character in tourneys and slowing down the video to like .5 speed and analyze what they are doing. I use to always just watch pro plays and think yeah I can do that but when I slowed it down .5 I was actually able to see things I never saw before. When they would fast fall, how they DId, when the pivoted, all of the stuff I never really noticed when watching before. This was what finally put me into elite smash.
Even UA-cam can tell I'm bad at the game.
Dude I have needed this for so long thank you
Edit: I was always held back cuz I thought online would make me better
It makes my matchup knowledge better, but overall it just makes me angrier.
I love smash. I like winning. I can handle losing. But when i play online by myself. Quick play especially. I don't have fun. Because like you saif those hyper competitive t baggers manage to tick me off and i wallow in it
Dash dancers are what tilt me. And I absolutely hate how the majority of them use the “it keeps my hands warm” excuse.
I find that after a frustrating loss it's best to take a break and come back later
@@Shortshark123fax.
@@eddypham6603 yeah, it works every time I do it
yea t baggers ARE the worse I Simi dash dance to just try to mix up my opponents while they are respawning so this way i can find another opening
3:29 THAT WAS A CRAZY INTERACTION LOL
Thank you SOOOOOOO much for the point about frame data, feeling things out through experience will always be easier than number crunching in the moment.
Back in Smash 4 frame data wasn't that readily available so moves fell into two different categories: "I can shieldgrab that" and "I can't shieldgrab that" and you just learned through experience
3:40
No way, another completionist fellow!
Even the arcade mode, nice.
“You’ve put your HEART and SOUL into becoming competitive in this game-“
… I might not be the target audience for this video…
Gotta thank you, man. I was watching this video because I just wanted to learn how to play a simple party game, but I had no idea what I was walking into. I realize now what I need to do in my regular day to day life, the things I like to do, and sports as well. Thank you, this was so much more than a smash video.
You put your heart and soul into playing a game where teenagers know how to win championships and grand prizes but can't bathe or get a decent haircut 😂😂😂😂
I’ve been expecting too much of myself and it’s been frustrating me and making me feel burnt out. Leaves me constantly complaining and definitely not learning like you said. I’m going to come back with a new mindset, thank you Red Garren
Hello! You helped me not rage at smash in another video, and now my main is in elite smash! You earned my sub
Not hoping to be the best just good enough to be equal to my friends at parties
realest comment fr. but it's hard when your friends are grinders w addictive personalities so they are really good at things like smash. lol
One thing I love to do is lag behind in each subsequent 1v1 so they can see that I’m getting worn out physically and mentally and feel bad about it.
Looool
@AGZhark seems not fun
@@tumultuousv Yup. Playing with friends isn’t as fun as you’d think. Maybe in a slightly slower paced and more enjoyable game like Smash WiiU.
Step 1: Don’t play Smash Ultimate
He speaking facts
Hell yeah this is why I play project plus
This game did get worse over time. The DLC killed it for me, personally. Some of the most blatant pay to win I’ve seen.
That won't fix you being bad at smash ultimate (the point of the video)
There was a time where all I would do is watch elite smash players play, rather than play myself because I would get too stressed out and a little depressed when I go on quick play and never felt like I was progressing. I am playing in a tournament this weekend that I am sure to get bodied at but I’m just trying to learn to have fun with this game again.
Sent this in a group chat of friends that are really into Smash and tagged one of them with the thumbnail showing without saying anything just to start controversy.
Yesterday I was at my first local. I always was pretty scared of that because my only Training was Level 9 CPUs and I didnt really have a dedicated main. It turned out to be really fun: everyone was super nice and I actually won against some peoples mains. I had a really Bad experience of losing in online a couple of Months ago. Everyone was toxic and i lost every game. Now i realize, that learing can be really fun and motivating. Especially with an awsome Community. If you have any locals near you im beging you to go. It is one of the most fun and effektive ways to get better.
My big problem is playing off stage and edge guarding I have no problem with everything else
Which character do you play?
It depends a bit on the character you use, but, you can just practice edge guarding, like, go to training, preferably competitive stage, grab mario, and let your opponent be bowser, then activate the no increase in percentages option, put bowser in like 70-80% and try to edgeguard bowser 5 times in a row, with bair, the good thing about Mario for this is his drift, it lets you react, try to match browser's position when he's recovering and time the bair, good luck, you can try other character, but mario worked really well for me, if you get fairly consistent, you can change to your's, the problem with trying to edgeguard with some other characters, is that you don't have that much time to react, and you have to rely maybe too much on predicting how your opponent is going to recover, making it harder to make it consistent. But do it however you prefer, try to not make it a chore, but a challenge, and hopefully you'll improve, good luck
@@daviddaniel8304 right now mii brawler
2:59 yeah I was wondering why me, with 1,760 hours (at the time now it’s almost 2000) got bodied by a Mario who had like 130 hours
This is an amazing video! Thank you
Tbf, Ternomic, he could’ve played longer and just got the game himself.
@@majinblussb yeah your right about that also
There's also a lot of players in elite smash who will tank a few characters just to keep the less skilled players from advancing on the ladder. And then you may also be unlucky enough to come across streamers doing a 0 gsp to elite smash video. I've been experiencing this myself lately. I'll steamroll a handful of fights then get squashed by someone who clearly belongs way above my GSP bracket, and I just get stuck at a low GSP as a result and can't seem to get anywhere. It can be frustrating but at the end of the day it is just a skill issue.
"Don't compare yourself to others"
The best advice for everything in life not just smash lol
It feels like you're talking directly to me
im still bad because i dont play anymore, nor can I really make a career if i got good at this point
I ended up dropping the game altogether for lack of time and money, but I always look back and feel sad for the dreams I had, and could never get there
As someone who has over 1,000 hours in Smash bros and still gets his ass handed to my friend's Smash 4 Mario, this helps way more than it should.
this was the fastest 11 minutes has ever gone by for me, i literally quit smash bros last night from being so frustrated. i am a ness main(no i dont just spam pk fire) and ive been pretty close to elite smash a few times but i keep getting knocked down so far and having to work my way up again, i decided to try some top tiers and absolutely sucked which lead me to the point of dizzying frustration. this makes me want to keep playing smash but overall i still have a deep hatred for the game, ik my gsp dropping is a skill issue but the games mechanics seem very inconsistent at times. it would also be nice if they would balance characters so that you dont have to switch, because in reality tier lists will eventually matter no matter how good you are at like a bottom tier or mid tier. but yeah the you wont improve while you arent enjoying the process is a great point and so i will give it another shot, and if i dont become a top tier player then at least im a top tier yapper
Holy shit I needed to watch this. Thank you so much for this informative and blunt video. I have a bad habit of getting tilted. So much that I've seen myself become toxic. Leaving rooms, not fist bumping my competitors, and being nasty. Even though my friends assure me I'm fine I see how much heavy lifting they have to do for me emotionally so I don't spiral. And that's not a healthy way to live
Since I've been focusing more on school and other hobbies, I feel I can appreciate smash in a new light. I do want to get back into consistent practice but it needs to be where I am having fun with it. Until that time comes I'll play with friends when I feel up to it and compete when I am mentally ready to.
I was somewhat following during the middle, but those summary notes at the end truly were speaking to me, especially about expecting too much from myself lol
This video was very informative and you did such a good job with it @redgerran. I’m probably a high casual low tournament player skill level. I love the game every since I was a little kid, and you’re very right about we should be having fun playing smash bros and not being mad at the players or game all the time or just take a break if you do get to upset at the game.
More tips if you’re bad at the game:
1) reroll
2) reroll irl
3) uninstall
4)cope and seethe
5) get good
6)lol mad
I main Zelda. Yesterday was going well until I met 3 Kazuyas who were each cracked at the jank set, giving me 120+ damage from one interaction or simply taking my stock because i overcommitted at 0%. My problem was definitely allowing it to bother me which made me play progressively worse. I figured that just rematching might help me understand the MU better, but I had already lost the battle mentally. I ended up missing setups and combos which normally i land. After several more games, i swapped to Captain Falcon to refresh myself which helped my mood. Eventually i swapped back to Zelda and started playing well again! It's just proves that your mental state plays a significant role in gameplay
There are points and advice in this video that I like and that I don't like, but overall it's a good video! There are some things I'd like to add to/give my 2 cents on though
1. It's awesome that you link outside resources to help people learn the fundamentals, however, you could've also mentioned the idea that people can also seek out players in Smash discords that are not only willing to help someone learn the basics of the game, but the basics of their main.
2. Tier lists don't matter at the lower levels of play, yes. However, they do depending on what the player's goals are. For example, if they want to be the best in the world, then they would want to lean closer to the High and Top Tiers. If they just want to be the best in their city/state/friend group, then they could do that with anyone. Tier lists matter at certain levels of play, but I do still really like this point
3. Frame Data can be useful for learning certain options that can help save your skin in certain situations. As an example, I main Banjo & Kazooie and I sometimes find myself against characters like Sonic and Steve. By looking at Frame Data, I can see what my fastest moves are to get them off of me in a pinch. While you are correct in that you won't be calculating this in game, it's always helpful to know in the back of your mind that if you're in a tight spot, your character can do x, y, or z.
4. I just want a chance to gush over this analogy really quick, I love the toolbox analogy. I've always looked at every move in a character's moveset as a tool and the character themselves as a brand of tool, where some are better and some are worse. But thinking of them like toolboxes is a better analogy since not all characters have the same tools like some tool brands do.
5. Instead of saying "NSO Hours can be deceptive" just say they really don't matter. It's very similar to GSP where you can get a rough idea of a person's skill based on either number but they're definitely not a good way to measure it.
6. I love the advice of not comparing yourself to others, but one thing I would add is telling people to not be afraid to look to others for advice or just watching other people play their character. It can really help if you're struggling in one spot to see how someone else handles it, whether it be a pro or someone who might be at your skill level.
7. I like the like button plug lol, that was funny. But there is a real 2nd thing I would add on top of optimizing your practice. Analyzing your play. Some people have an eye for it and some don't but if you can look back at replays or tournament vods, especially ones of you losing, then maybe you can see yourself doing an option that you wouldn't do normally or you can see something you struggle with, then tailor your training to that. It especially helps when you have a friend to call you out as you train so you can notice bad habits and kick them in the pants before your next "serious" play session, whether it be a tournament or not.
8. 4:56 you literally showed why Spring Stadium is not legal lol, celings are goofy and you can live things that would normally kill thanks to teching
9. Getting back to the Stage/Ruleset to train point, this can go both ways. Sure, just mindlessly playing this won't be helpful, but you can use it for experimenting. What options kill earlier on Battlefield than Kalos? What stages are you or your character more comfortable on? What stages do you hate and want to ban for your next set? Using the competitive ruleset and stage list to train is not inherently a bad idea and I don't like how it seems like you were eager to brush it off.
9. When you say playing against more Mario players and figuring things out is scientifically incorrect, you never directly go into how or why, instead just capping it off with "at least for now". If you had given the evidence to back up the claim, I would've been more inclined to look into it more but I am someone who targets playing with specific characters to feel out options that my character has against theirs. Maybe it's a personal thing, but things work different for everyone.
10. Juggling can be useful, but that's not all you can do. You can learn your character's bread and butter combos and see how they work on certain characters. Using Mario as an example, I can see how early Up-Tilt or Wonderwing kills Mario, or see how Egg Ladders work against him. I feel like the training mode section, at least in regards to matchups, could've been expanded upon. I also like how you mention CPUs and how it's a low-stakes way to practice, but it can be an extension off of the point I just brought up, too. You can see how DI affects combos that maybe you thought were true in the lab.
11. I like the dopamine and motivation point, but discipline can also play an equal factor in it, especially since discipline and patience play into each other. Smash Ultimate is a game of patience, after all. Players like Sonix and Sparg0 prove this. One is not better than the other, both can play equal parts towards improvement.
12. I like the point with the bad learning stimuli, but I feel like you could've explained how huge part of this game is mentality.
13. The pro player point is 100% debatable, Shadic wanted to become the best Corrin in the world, and becoming a top player was a side effect. DKBill (or Grandmaster Bill) has a few excellent videos going into this in greater detail.
14. I like the 2nd closing point, though you don't really give some ideas on how to do it which is kind of a bummer. Granted, everyone is different, but it could help someone who's lost for ideas. I know I was at that point once until a friend gave me an idea to break up my overall goal into smaller goals. Like steps. You start small and eventually you'll get to your ultimate (pun intended) goal.
15. I like how your ending point is having fun. Smash is just a game at the end of the day, so if you aren't having fun then why bother?
Overall I like the video, these are just things I noticed and if anything it's me nitpicking. This isn't meant to take a jab at the video or dismiss the quality, but hopefully just a bit of criticism. Take it as you will!
When I try to get competitive with link, my main, I stress too much and loose matchups that I shouldn’t, but once I switch characters like snake/Ganon, I just become effortlessly better cuz I’m not worried about loosing with these characters, so yes stress is something to consider
"Me over here short hopping and fast falling thinking I'm going to evo"
I'm all here for that pop tart and chill out after being farmed 27 times and finally getting that one win😅😅😅😅
@one4me03 lol dude Same I feel that
I compare myself to others to much and hold my self much higher. It holds me back this video just might be the reason you see me on the top bracket some day❤ thank you
Im a jr in high school and one of my major goals since sophomore year is to be the best smash player in the school i got into smash last year thanks to a friend we would play and i wasn’t all that good but ultimate was fun and i wanted to be good but i didn’t have a switch i had a 3ds tho so thats how played smash. it was difficult trying to get better off of smash for the 3ds but i spend the time practicing looking up guides on how to be better (wanted to mention i main little mac aswell) and for the most part it work i became one of the best players i wasnt able to reach the goal last year and i still lost some matches but i was really proud of myself on how far i came moral of the story work hard and accomplish your dreams no matter how big or small they are
Funny, I’ll just take days off, as when I see I’m having too much pressure
Based on this my biggest hang up is not having fun. Don’t get me wrong I do enjoy smash, but there’s just so many things that get me worked up. From the laundry list of complaints I could list about just about any and every character on the roster, to the frustration of feeling like your moves are always either a little mispaced or slow, or just not know how to brake my bad habits.
Going to tournaments or playing online is just me frequently thinking, oh god I have to play against this character. And nothing is a confidence killer like going to a local and going 0-2 and barely being able to get one stock off you opponents
I’m on the phase of learning my character (Doctor)
I play stick jump and tilt stick am I cooked?
Lol not if it works for you
Nah
@@Countdownsmiles I only suffer not being able to do advanced techs or following tech tutorials bc they all assume I play without tap jump
I mean, marss plays with tap jump, so, take that as you will
@@cristianiniguez7915 I had no idea. Proof? I believe you nonetheless but it would be cool to be sure
I will say, at the start of Ultimate, I was red hot in my local scene. Multiple top cut finishes, really hype plays and moments, all that good stuff.
Then when the pandemic hit, all that momentum came to a screaming halt. Even though offline events would eventually come back, I recognized I was not the same player/person I once was. The problem was that while I was steadily trying to find my groove and regain form, everyone else in my local scene just got exponentially better! So I got desperate to play a pointless game of catch up. I went from being a consistent top 8 finisher and regional threat in my scene to someone who can barely go 2-2 on a good day.
I'm not really sure what my obstacle is.
Character? Doubtful. I did switch from Mario to Sora (he was my dream character) and after seeing Kameme in action, i knew Sora wasn't a bad pick.
Metagame? Possible. With Steve on the warpath, I know a few people who have switched to Steve just because they wanna win, but on that same token, I saw Kameme destroy Onin at Battle of BC last year. The meta is changing, but its nothing I can't adapt to.
Mentality? For sure the biggest obstacle. Like I said, i went from being one of my scene's stronger players to basically a jobber. And it got frustrating trying to play catch up over the last 3 years. And it really is a journey I have to go alone. I've asked a lot of folks in my scene to help/advice and no one really wants to. So I go it alone. And it's very frustrating.
The video was great, and I'm definitely going to watch it on repeat when I need it.
Thanks for giving me back my motivation
Looks like I'm gonna have to fight min min as a bot.
One thing they don’t tell you is the lag online vs offline play is horrendously different and you have to get used to that, or tournaments will be tough for you.
The only area of the game where I’m not having fun is quickplay. I don’t like the moral effect gsp has over me . I feel like it determines my self worth at smash , even though I don’t want to.
Luckily, I started my smash journey with my friend, who just so happens to play Mario
My main issue playing smash is that sometimes I have dificulties using the moves I want to,mainly SIDE tilt and back sir(close to the ground) as it's honestly insane how precise I have to be with my button presses in a intense game like smash,I Hope they make It easier to execute in Future games
RG never fails to bring the milk back.
damn. i really needed this. thank you man :)
Here’s my problem: At my area, if you win a smash bros competition, you get a switch oled. BUT HERES WHATS HOLDING ME BACK. I’m trying, and FAILING!!! And my mind goes on overdrive and thinks I’m going to loose! I need help.
That thing at the end about your brain overloading? HAHAHA oh that’s SO TRUE. Not even with smash bros, just stuff. Like school or Fortnite. Both do/did have the same issue with overloading and just getting worse except it wasn’t just my gameplay getting worse, but my mental state. School and Fortnite both equally cut my mental state into little pieces… slowly… and painfully… like your fingers getting cut off
I love juggling Mario. When I wake up, I juggle Mario. While I'm eating breakfast, I'm juggling Mario. While I'm walking the dog, one hand is holding a Switch, juggling Mario. At my wedding ceremony, one hand was holding my wife, the other was juggling Mario. Juggling Mario is love, juggling Mario is life.
People shit on playing against CPUs for practice all the time. I don't get why. Just play against them as if they actually punished properly for their character, don't abuse their bad habits (air dodge fishing usually), and focus on learning advantage state and ledge guarding. CPUs literally read your inputs, which unironically really helps for learning advantage, ledgeguarding options, and frame trapping options with any character. Their DI is a little bizarre, but then again, HBox dies to Boost Kick at 60 soooo...
More importantly, just focus on having fun and being relaxed when practicing. Play with friends, and use arenas to find better opponents for your skill level. Quick play is so awful but it's most peoples' go-to, but it highly encourages cheese, one-and-dones, and abusing the crappy Smash netcode, with a focus on imaginary points going up or down.
I've never used it myself, but I've heard good things about Anther's ladder for better matchmaking, and there's still some active Discord servers with an online grind channel. With more people using Ethernet adapters, too. Seriously, anything but QP. 🙀
I pretty much only play against the computer just for the mere fact that I can't stand the delay with online. My game probably has lots of weaknesses from not knowing as much what a human player will do, but I was decent enough to regularly be a top competitor in the monthly tournament I went to.
This video was so good
5:50 I main little Mac, am I cooked?
Thans for the insparation
Right now in my journey of trying to get good at smash, ive lost at least 3 controllers to a bunch of t baggers 💀. Im honestly past the point where smash isnt fun anymore without winning
Very sound advice!
Thanks for the Smash vid
Your videos are really inspiring and helpful
Rn i just need to play more hours on smash.
My friends say a lot of knowledge i already have i just need to exercise it more.
But i think i can abuse the cpus even at the skill level i am
Probably learn to whiff punish them or know which options are better
That’s a really great video.
I love this video so much
I spent around 3200 hours in game, give or take. I play mainly against bots and it has helped my fundamentals of the game. I can b reverse and ledge trump really well which is handy for me since I main Snake. I got to elite smash, but I honestly hate online smash. Playing against bots has helped me pick up on reading habits. Like the kazuya CPU will try to spam side b if he gets a trip or tech chase. Or like when I play against my step brothers banjo. He'd usually try to spam side b at kill percent. I learned how to consistently parry wonder wing and that gave me an easy back throw punish every time. I'm from KY and I played against Alondite, probably the best Ike played in KY. I got him down to his last stock twice and got him to kill percent twice. Not bad for a casual player huh?
I have 300 hours in this game so I’m not experienced enough to be good but I’m too deep in to quit
1:16 Mario, a top tier??? No buddy that isn’t the case(btw great video)
Yes he is 😂
Do you Play items on?
@jucekid4068 no
I'd say he's high tier vs top tier, around top 20 or 30. Definitly better than a majority of the cast.
@@ianmccamman3177 he’s def high tier but there are so many better top tiers
Mario? No I always run into Pikachu‘s online.
Yeah I'm all about due main and having fun to be honest I'm not really a solo main cause it's too much to improve and I'm a non masher skill level
i reached elite smash and started looking down on the peasents below...
This sounds like a lot of work... Do you have some sort of pill I could take?
Great video!
The work should be the fun part. 😁
Long video short don't be a baby and play for fun gotcha
Correction One: Frame data doesn't require math mid match. Frame data tells you which moves to look out for and how to punish them before a match begins.
Correction Two: Fighting CPUs isn't good practice. Fight someone that's BETTER than you and ask for matchup advice-specific questions = specific answers.
Yeah I don't know where this "Debunked" information for bad habits is and I would love to see it. Even logically you can understand that the input reading nature of CPUs often gets exploited sometimes even on accident as a means of beating them and they aren't going to be adapting to you a way a human would. That is what makes the bad habits. You stop trying to adapt because your basic layer 1 play starts beating CPUs because they never learn to deal with your silly gimmick.
Tomorrow i have a tournament... and based on my acknowledge i could possibly win it... but my first match could be against a kkr that i think is an anoying character but i know thar i can beat him... and then, this video shows up, thanks, let's see how it goes tomorrow
is Pyra a good main?
ok so quick question
i have lvl 50 mario amibos will that be better than lvl 9 CPU or the same
@@not-a-Champ- They each have their strengths and weaknesses. The amiibo is more challenging, but it's only marginally better than practicing against a CPU (and even then, I'd recommend not feeding it spirits).
@@redgerran oh yeah ive got a mario that hasnt had spirits
bro the gormott theme from xenoblade 2 at the beginning
Cool video, but when you say that playing against CPUs giving bad habits has been debunked, what are you referring to? How has it been debunked?
I made an entire video about the myths people use to argue that CPU's give you bad habits, but basically it boils down to the fact that they're just one of many resources you can use to get better.
@@redgerran cool! What's the video called?
Because I live in a country the Nintendo eshop doesn't have and I have a laggy aah delays
This is just a how to have a good life tutorial
Magnus Carlsen and I are hardly bad at strategy. The pay is atrocious if we switched to this game. (Pun intended).
bro why am I suddenly your greatest enemy just cuz i main lucas
Dicsipline is better than motivation. Sure, motivation will help you start and continue, but discpline will keep you to it instead of relying on a chemical that may not always come. What's better? Being motivated to go to the gym but only when you're motivated or disciplined to go to the gym every day at a set and end and start time. Overall, discpline is better because it's more reliable and keeps you on it. Motivation is the quick fuel you get (carbs), but you can't rely on it but can help you get the energy to start. While discpline (protein) can help you keep your gains and recover. Overall, discpline is better. Motivation is needed for discipline, but discpline is more reliable and more long term conpared to motivation.
If you're working out for no reason, you won't continue. You need a goal that intrinsically motivates you, giving you a reason to stay disciplined.
@redgerran Like I said, motivation helps you be more disciplined, but it isn't always reliable. Take New years Revolution, for example. People go to the gym but give up because they aren't disciplined. Motivation is in the formula for discipline, but there is more to it. Like being serious, being committed, and staying disciplined even if you feel motivation is lost. To go back to the previous example, I stated in my comment is to take motivation as carbs. Carbs are underrated, to say the least, and give you energy and, at times, quick energy, but you can't rely on that to get and keep gains you need protein to keep your gains recover faster to keep up with your goals and can heal faster from possible injuries that could kill energy/motivation. Carbs are good, but there's a reason why protein is loved. Because even in laspes of lack of motivation, discipline keeps you to the straight and narrow. Motivation is an ingredient to discipline, but there's a reason why we are building up to discpline.
Ive been playing smash regularly since the release of smash 4 and I can not beat lvl 9 cpu 🗿
Dw the tv .5 sec delay is the problem
i started a day ago and my cousin just is mad at me
I’m average cuz the online is so bad as to be actually unplayable in any competitive sense so I played For Fun like a rational player would till Nintendumb fixes their servers lmao
Not the servers. It's the game/system itself. Other servers work fine
:/ I literally just want to be good and I don’t even play like that
Me the causal ridley player who spams down b at party free for alls: 😶
Just play captain falcon his knees and backhands will save you.
How to way we suck at Smash without saying we Suck at smash😂
I mean I can beat lvl 8 cpu am I that bad
mario or mythril 1:13
As someone who cant play top tiers, facts
Did someone seriously question my 100,000 hours in smash.? Sit back down scrub.
no life
I think he might not like mario
dawg why tf this show up in my SHORTS feed