The Mk III Snider Long Rifle and the Ballard Carbine: Firepower Compared
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Excellent video Rob! And I just love your mountains!
I think i remeber this guy from somewere
great roe deer hunt video today !
Love the deer hunt in Hungary very beautiful countryside!
@@garryhynds4870 do u mean the guy hat has a blunderbass and pepper box pistol
Your mountains aren't too shabby at all, either!
In 1870 General Grant was president, and the American government was on not good terms with either Britian or the Catholic Church, by extension the Fenian Brotherhood. Fenians had been involved in the anti conscription riots in Newyork in 1862.The Pope received an embassy from the Confederates around 1863. Most of the muskets and all of the shoes worn by the Confederates were purchased in the UK. The British textile mill owners had built frigates on credit in Britian for the Confederates. Canada had seen Confederate smuggling of cotton and spying. Grant wasn't worried about the British.The Union had put an army of over a million men in the field in the Civil war. He was willing to let them fight each other. He didn't consider the Fenians Americans. He wanted Congress to budget more money for the army and navy and the Fenians' trouble making gave him an excuse. Neither Britain or Canada were considered allies till the great war.
@@Simon_Nonymous my fault thank you.
@@jgranger3532 no fault, a very good snippet of information I didn't know - thank you
Lot's of interesting back stories with this episode in history.
The nephew of Alexander Keith was a wanted terrorist notorious for a bombing which at the time was in the press all over the world. Yoy won't see that on the silly Alexander Keiths beer tour.
The later centerfire Ballard Rifles were quite well received as well, so much so that Marlin bought them out and continued making them for many years.
Indeed!
Nice blooper reel lol thank you for the chuckle and the info.
The Ballard was offered up in a previous iteration as a breach loading musket rifle to US Military service. It never made it past trials for several reasons to include, fragility, politics, and the belief that a soldier would expend too much ammunition in combat. The carbine if the same arm was offered independently to the US Cavalry and as I seem to recall, did see some minor service in a few officers hands at their own expense.
Interesting history, the Ballard,
my ballard is a kentucky state militia rifle
That Ballard is a neat little thing! Fascinating stuff as always. Thank you to Branko for contributing his knowledge and skills.
Thanks, it's always fun to help Rob out.
Indeed. It was great to have Branko along.
Volley fire only, surely, unless hunting for the pot.
I really enjoy these. Understanding the capabilities and peculiarities of historical firearms can be helpful in answering, "Huh? Why did they do that?" Tactics influence the development of weapons but weapons also influence the development of tactics.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks.
Very interesting, I'd never heard of the Ballard. Looks like a handy little rifle for the time.
I've fired a friend's Snider, he used cut down shotgun hulls to make ammunition. It was surprisingly intuitive to operate as I recall. I was impressed by the accuracy an the rate of fire you could manage. Fascinating bit of Canadian history, I can see how they sent those Fenians packing!
Cheers!
Oh fuck yeah. My day off just got so much better. Looking Svelte, sir!
Svelte, great word. Looks good in a sweater vest is the definition, I believe.
I'm a lot of things, svelte is not one of them.
Great video! Huzzah for the Ballard and the Snider! I wonder how much American Civil War surplus weaponry got pulled into Home Guard units. It will be a great research topic for someone!
There doesn't seem to have been much if any.
That offset .22 blank brass shell is so cool! Ingenuity and niche history perfectly in tune. Synergy!
A pretty neat solution!
Great video. I had never heard of the fenian raids. I cannot believe that they decided to attack British forts in Canada. Shocking that ive never heard about this! Also very cool to learn not only about the gun but the tactics, doctrine, gear, and even the men that used it. Im sure a lot of us appreciate this extra history. Id like to see a video comparing the springfield trapdoor and snyder. just throwing that out there.
Thanks!
Hi from Syracuse NY USA brother and thank you for sharing your thoughts and adventures of history and everyone else
Hello!
Rob is the Bob Ross of historical British arms and I can't get enough!
Haven't heard that one yet! Cheers!
Hi from the UK. Great history lesson and wonderful to see the firearms involved in action. I think by 1870, Britain had withdrawn all its garrison troops leaving Canada to organise its own defence? So this must have been the first true battle for Canadian forces in defending their country on their own?
Not all the British Regular Forces had left by 1870... The infantry had, but there would continue to be British Troops in Halifax and Esquimalt only, until the 20th century with the last contingent of Royal Engineers leaving Halifax in 1906, IIRC.
Great video. I have a Ballard 3 band rifle. It has been converted 45 colt ammo. The rifle is extremely accurate. The bore was relined as the original rifling was gone. My experience it that I can be loaded quickly. No problem with removing the fired cartridge. My load is 20 grains of 3f. The rifle is pure joy to shoot,
Nice!
Superb video as always!
Thank you.
A great video on the arms and history!
Cheers!
Very interesting and informative presentation, thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great to see yah back. 👍
Thank you!
Superb video! Consistent quality.
Thank you kindly.
I have not heard of the Ballard before. Well done to the bloke in the red sash for stepping up and demonstrating it for the camera.
It was good to have Branko out!
Very interesting and informative video. Thank you for sharing.
Most welcome!
Thanks for another great show 👍
Glad you enjoyed it
Yet again an absolutely splendid video! Bravo sir!!
Thank you!
Thank you for another entertaining and enlightening video. The bloopers were hysterical.
Cheers Chris!
Interesting history Rifleman Rob. Thanks again.
Cheers!
Terrific stuff.
Cheers.
excellent video Rob and Branko
Cheers!.
Very cool little bit of history in action. Cheers lads
Thank you!
Just learned something new about were I'm from! Cheers Rob, love the vids!
Thank you!
I think it's fantastic to see these antique rifles being demonstrated firing projectiles and not just blank puffs of smoke
The whole premise of the Channel! Cheers!
well done never heard of this thanks
Cheers!
A perfect channel with a great guest 🎖
Very kind!
Well done!
Cheers.
Never heard of this battle, fascinating history. great upload and excellent drills on the rifle
Cheers!
Love the Video You bring the history of firearms to life THANK YOU KIND SIR
You are most welcome!
I've been binge-watching your channel ever since one of your videos got recommended to me, so far you've earned a new subscriber! Keep up the great work!
Thanks for the subby! Glad you are enjoying the Channel!
The setting is always fantastic and would love to know more, but an interesting look at something in history i didnt even know had happened, keep it up
Cheers. There is more coming.
Just a superb video.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Most enjoyable love the history keep up the good work
Glad to hear!
That was really good. Thanks. 👍👍👍
Glad you liked it!
Ballyhoo to you and Branko! Excellent video.
Cheers!
Thank you Branco(?) and Rob for this wonderful video.
Cheers!
Wonderful video as always :)
Thank you.
As always instructional and entertaining ! Well done and Thank you Rob !.
Cheers!
Great comparison. Nicely done.
@@williamlloyd3769 Thank you!
Great video and nice to hear 'Road to the Isles', great Rifleman's tune.
Great tune, yes.
Fantastic stuff!
Glad you enjoyed it, Neil!
what a slick carbine you got there Branko, and as always your videos is very informative Rob, Cheers.. !
Thanks!
Another grand video Rob…
Thank you!
I knew nothing of this bit of history. Thanks for bringing back :)
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great stuff, thanks Rob & Branko.
Thanks Matt!
Just found your channel pretty cool!
Thank you!
Good video rob
Thanks.
A Branko and Rob collaboration! Wow! Brilliant move Rob. It's my pleasure know both these Gentlemen from the Alberta shoot. Thanks Gent's job well done!
I'm glad you enjoyed it Douglas.
Thank Douglas! It was a fun project!
Another fine episode BM. Well done.
(PS - the out take reel was funny....perhaps some cue cards).
Cheers!
Solid writing. 👍👍👍
Thank you! Cheers!
It's always a good day when you learn something new, and this was a slice of history that I was hitherto completely unaware of. Stirling work as always, I found Branko very informative and entertaining, I hope we'll see more of him in the future.
As a side note, seeing you break character and drop the F-bomb in the blooper reel made me laugh more than it probably should have.
Take care of yourself big fella.
Glad to hear that you enjoyed it Matthew! Cheers.
Awesome video once again! I enjoyed seeing the Ballard, and its not-quite-so military origins, which is a interesting off-set to the other rifles on this channel, barring the Ross, of course.
Cheers!
Great video, im looking forward to a look at the Needham
It's featured in the Eccles Hill series.
Very nice as always. Cheers from a kilted cousin south of the border!
Thanks!
I haven’t watched your content since I was a young kid still can’t believe you’re making videos keep at it
Cheers!
Quite interesting sirs
Cheers!
This man's passion for history is brilliant, not only entertaining but providing a service in keeping knowledge that otherwise might be disregarded. Love the videos you deliver, much love to Canada from Wales! A friend had the pleasure of living in Toronto for a year, would love to get out there as soon as able,
Thank you. That is very kind of you to say.
Well done
Thank you!
Interesting and informative as usual. Not a topic I had been familiar with until your presentations, so additionally welcome. Your quality content is so far above typical drivel available I find it remarkable they haven't banned you yet out of sheer embarrassment, if nothing else.
Very kind.
I like your droning, it's very informative.
Glad to hear. Thanks.
There's a backhanded complement if ever I heard one.
@@realhorrorshow8547 I was just kidding.
But I wasn't kidding about his videos being informative.
@@charlesjhemphilliii4792 Your instant response makes that clear. All the best to you.
@@realhorrorshow8547 Seeing as how I mentioned it, I think it's ok... 🙂
I know very little about guns, but this channel makes it very easy to understand the history and usage of these near modern firearms.
Glad to hear that it was enjoyable to you!
Really fine stuff as usual sir. Have family who possess a Snider rifle from some Canadian service, what exactly is unclear. The Ballard is interesting, I have only closely examined a Pacific Ballard rifle target model so this is great to see. Thanks again.
Nice!
how I like these videos,
excellent made, like always 👍
Thank you, kindly.
Videos like this are why I sub to this channel. Also why I would totally visit rural Canada 🇨🇦 to hang out with Rob... if he'd have me 😁
Haha! Cheers.
Splendid Video. And quite interesting historically and technically for someone not that particularly interested in these rifles.
Now get together and drink every time he thanks his special guest. Once more and you scare him away.^^
I hope for more collaborations also across channels once more. While I'm already typing, would it make sense to talk about historical beards, beard care and popular forms in certain factions?
Great to hear. Thanks! This is a shooting Channel, so apart from casual mention, things like facial hair, rations, bells and bobs, get only a passing mention.
I find this particular raid interesting because I have ridden through that general area dozens of times over the years on scootering trips.. I've even seen the marker of the 1812 War battle at Hemmingford just a bit south of the main crossroads in that town after lunch at the pub nearby.
Nice!
Oh yes oh yes oh yes, let me grab a pint and settle in. Rob, what would be a reasonable price for a Snyder enfield today in CAD? And are there any resources available to help figure out if it came from one of these initial militia purchases? It's in South Eastern Ontario.
Anywhere from $450 for a beat up Cadet to $1500 for a very nice MKII or MKIII. Unit markings are commonly found on the tang of the butt plate. The marking denoting Canadian ownership should also be found on the stock.
@@blackpowderburner7296 why thank you good sir
As already stated.
@@britishmuzzleloaders Its a shame muzzle loaders and low capacity firearms are the only ones you get your hands on. (I'm assuming due to either personal preference or country). I would love to see you do videos on British firearms and historic battles going into ww1 and ww2.
@@jacobmarsa4168 I'm going to say that you haven't explored the Channel much... lot's of Great War and WWII content.
A most interesting video on a little known subject.
Glad to hear you enjoyed it!
I was quite excited to see this video on your channel, and was not aware there was another on the Snider. I have a Mk III Snider that looks to have been converted to a carbine with a half length barrel, and I am intending to have it examined for safety before I fire it. Got it for $150 in working order, so it was an exciting find! I am wondering however, if there is a way to tell what the provenance of the rifle would be, so any advice you might have would be grand!
There is a whole playlist on the Snider if you are interested. Cheers.
Thanks for another outstanding video. Being born and raised just south of the Canadian border in New York, and of Irish descent . I'm shocked to never have heard of these raids.
Little known North American history.
I would have thought reasonably well known. Highest respect to the Militia and Home Guard.
@@alecblunden8615 only in military history circles, not the public...
My favourite forgotten North American conflict is the border war between Ohio and Michigan.
Oh how did I miss this?
Later is better than never!
I love the change in uniforms to match the rifles
Cheers!
Ah HA! Nice video! Your attention to detail is amazing. Thanks for the history lesson. Sorry about the incursion. But who could resist the back bacon and maple syrup so close for the taking ;p Seriously though, I had no idea something like that even happened. They don't teach such things in the States. I'm 56 yrs. old and never heard about this. Thanks for your dedication to history and reproducing it in the way you do.
Glad you enjoyed it! Cheers.
I was just about to go film a video of my own when this was uploaded, guess my videos gonna have to wait!
Hopefully it was worth it.
love the video..I have a 52 cal ballard and the same type of ammo .and of course my Canadian snyder carbine .I prefer the snyder. keep up the great work
Cheers Mark!
brilliant!
Thanks!
It would be cool to metal detect that border area for old cartridges! The Ballard round looks like a giant .22 round? Thanks Rob and Branko!
Yes it would!
Yes, the .44 Ballard Long Rimfire is just a scaled up version of a .22 LR.
I really liked the outtakes. Also seeing the civilian "uniform" was interesting. The little known history was great. The audacity of that invasion is hilarious.
In retrospect, it was all a bit weird and silly... apart from the actual destruction and death that is...
Keep up the good work rob I am the first one in the comments to tell you so I hope your channel grows further
Very kind!
An outstanding historical and technical video.
I assume than not all of the firearms you demonstrate are your own.
But if it’s not a rude question how many bloody guns do you own.
We’ve crossed words once or twice but without exception I’ve enjoyed your presentations.
Guns?....I don't have any.... 😎 All kidding aside, whether 1 or 100, not something I typically talk about in public. Cheers.
The Snider is such an interesting rifle. I like it better then the Allen trapdoor conversion. You have a nice one.
I agree! Cheers.
Very cool, I enjoy seeing the “practical” employment of the early cartridge rifles, makes me feel spoiled by our modern self loading arms
Glad you enjoyed it!
Welcome back. :) Question how hot would the weapon become after intense firing?Very interesting thank you. Loved the out take. :)
Which one? I would hazard a SWAG that the Snider at least would get as hot as the earlier P-53 after extended firing, and that gets QUITE warm!
They get warm. 10 rounds is enough to change the temperature, 20 rounds rapid will make it too hot to hold you hand on the metal.
@@britishmuzzleloaders Thank you.
Surely interesting history and shooting. overall great video educating us of probably one of most obscure timeline in north american history.
But, I wonder if the Ballard is indeed that small, from my eyes today that's almost like Teen starter gun, or might be for the posture of men back then its normal sized utility rifle.
The rifles are a bit longer, though nearly as diminutive. Interesting pieces for sure.
4:40 I love how this guys backyard literally runs from the US into Canada. It never ceases to amaze me just how open the US-Canadian Border is. Though in fairness, the majority is in open wilderness and heavy forested areas.
It's a big place, yes.
Bravo Rob and Branco. Canada rules, huzzah.
Cheers, John!
Great Video and nice history piece.
The outtakes...... Potatoes, lots of potatoes.
Haha! On it!
Nice choice of background Mr. Rob. Can you do a comparison between the Lee Enfield No.4 service rifle with the P14 British home guard rifle?
If I ever find one, then yes.
Thank you for making this video. I actually lived in Buffalo for many years and had no idea any of this happened. Fenian invasion lol! What an odd piece of history.
Indeed!
A few months ago I left a comment asking about the Snider with reference to the Fenian Raids and the Metis uprisings, and by God you delivered. Well done sir. Militias are interesting cats. Being a "farm boy" myself, I can garentee you that even today, any threat to home and hearth that cannot be dealt with in an expedient fashion by governmental authorities would be taken care of by the locals. They would have no clue what they were actually getting themselves into, but they would do it anyway.
Cheers!
@18:53 I am sorry but Rob is wrong, his score is zero. He failed to count hits on the target using his bayonet, a technical error eliminating the Snider from the match and making the Ballard the finest rifle at the Battle of Maple Syrup. Another brilliantly enjoyable video, well done yet again!
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I think itd be funny if he smiled and sighed after shooting like mae does lol!
Sure thing!
I'm still taking it in that at no point did we even bring up a US Militia invaded Canada, twice, in school. Not a single peep.
Love the maps and the tactical breakdown of the battles. As always a great video.
They were Irish nationalists operating for their own interest. The best that one could say is that the attack was initiated from US soil. The US didn’t do squat for or against the Fenians. Also remember that the majority of Americans at the time considered Irish immigrants to be inferior peoples only just barely above blacks.
1812 is the time you will want to talk about American aggression against Canada.
Pretty much an irrelevant footnote to US history. The US government was not involved, although they almost certainly turned a blind eye to events, delayed responses, and took no action against the Fenians other than seizing some arms as part of some tacit support.
But there is limited time to cover history in school and there are way more than enough things of greater significance that these should be a footnote at most.
Growing up in Ontario they got briefly covered because they had a much more significant impact on Canadian history, plus the "rah, rah, we beat the Yanks" always helps.
There were actually several more attacks and attempted attacks over the period from 1866-1870. The best was one group that attacked a Hudson's Bay trading post and a Canadian customs House, but US authorities arrived and it was determined that they were located in US territory. The leader fled to join Louis Riel, who immediately turned him over to the US military (who released him with no reprecussions).
You need to understand that at the time, America was still picking up the pieces from our own Civil War. The general population was sick and tired of war, having just seen the end of the Civil War in the couple of years prior. Also, as mentioned by the other guy in this thread, the Irish weren't treated all that well, so any Irish Rebels wouldn't have had much, if any, popular support in a potential new war with Canada (or England?).
Glad you enjoyed it!
It's really good condition carbine rifle.Great Job.
It is!