The 1800 Baker Rifle: Two (Very) Frequently Asked Questions
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Here I'll answer two of the most asked questions on the Channel regarding the Baker Rifle.
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I recently contacted Pedersoli Firearms and they informed me that they have purchased an original Baker rifle for examination and measurement purposes. They definitely are planning to have one available ASAP. They indicated that they would like it to be ready for production by 2024 but could not guarantee that at this time. I will try to keep you posted on this story as it develops.
I had heard the same!
Wait, seriously? NICE!
"The Baker holds its place in modern legend and lore due to one man..."
Yes I half expected Sean Bean in green uniform and I'm not disappointed.
There is no doubt that the TV series was far more instrumental than the books in reaching the public, but all the credit needs to go to BC for the books in the first place....
@Frankthetank123098
BC's Sharpe's novels led me to read "Rifleman Dodd"...
The books are amazing
I wonder how the show would be if they remade it with a bigger budget
No doubt
It wouldn’t get a lot of views sadly
But We lads would Be happy would we not?
But That was some odd years ago
The show/movies is good as it is now
I love the way the clips he used were of him all uttering bastards lol.
Pedersoli could sell these like hotcakes if they were to make one.
Contact them and add your name to the number who have asked for the same. The more who ask the more possible it is that they may make one eventually.
I suggest that you follow John's advice... they will only do it if there is a perceived market for it...
That's what I thought too.
You can get the kit from "The rifle shoppe.com" right and left handed and in all three patterns
@@stevenbaker8184 I bought the parts kits for the .62 Baker from the Rifle Shoppe about 25 years ago. It came with a sand-cast lock, furniture, bayonet mount, sights - everything except the walnut stock and the barrel. Getz had the the dimensions for the Baker carbine barrel and it arrived fairly quickly. I turned everything over to a highly-competent blackpowder gunsmith. He polished the parts, tempered the frizzen and the main spring, and assembled the gun. Perfectly. All parts were cast from authentic Baker Rifles. Total cost for everything, including the sword bayonet and labor, was about $1200US (c. 1995). Won a couple of local matches with that rifle, even with the less-than-stellar copy of the original leaf sights.
While the Baker is still a must have, I still have to ask:
Where in God's green earth did you find a Lee Metford Mk 1?
Or any long lee for that matter. I want one so bad, but it seems a EM2 would be easier to come by
Seen one at the stony plain gun show 2 years ago... 1400 bucks
My go-to for guns in general are small gun stores. They tend to still have at least a small rack of old guns usually sourced from local collectors who got the guns when they were far less rare, so they tend to be in good shape. Might have to go through several places but it is amazing how many of the guns that sell for a fortune on Gunbroker and only last for days before they get snapped up are just sitting in these small shops gathering some dust. Just don't expect these gun stores to all have nice websites listing their full stock; you gonna need to either show up in person or hope they are willing to tell you what they got over the phone.
there was a few for sale on tiger arms the other day
A few years ago, a friend of our family's Dad passed away. During the house clear out, they found a Lee Metford in the loft, wrapped up in blankets. Absolutely no idea where he got it from as he wasn't old enough to have had it issued - but it was just 'there'. It was declared and the Police had to collect it (as nobody present had a dealing licence!) but they do sometimes turn up in odd places. This was in the UK.
Huzzah! The Baker Rifle strikes once more!
Yes!
"where can I get a Baker Rifle"
"you can't"
*laughs in Kentucky Long Rifle*
Track of the Wolf has a selection of fine Kentucky rifles for sale in finished and kit form.
Sure...
Damn rebels
Sometimes it pays to be an American lol
Don't think so.....
"Bloody Geese!"
GOOSES!
@@josephdriesenga2730 Geesi*
Martin the Music Making Musket Man *Geeses
Indeed!
Rather like the fellow in the original (and by far the better) True Grit, shooting a turkey with a Sharps carbine...ain't gone' be much of that bird left t'cook.
Now for the real question! When are we going to get a British Muzzleloader/ Cap and Ball crossover episode?
Canada,....... Hungary.... 🤔 We'll get it done eventually...
I didn’t think I needed a Baker before I watched this. Now I do need a Baker rifle.
same. I’ve never even really taken a second look at anything pre 1900 until now
Yes you do....
My parents bought an original Baker rifle for me in 1976 for making the honor roll. It cost a whole $175 US. I have both shot it and hunted with it during the last 44 years. I have never seen another one.
Well, wasn't that the best gift ever...!
The last original that sold went for around $20k I believe
Don't forget to credit C S Forester's Rifleman Dodd from the novel "Death to the French". I read that novel long before Cornwell's chippy hero grumbled his way into the world.
Yes, indeed.
Just finished reading that in August.
It was on the official reading list when I was a young Marine, and I enjoyed it!
And here I thought I was cool for building ARs.
You're cool too.
Evan you are!
Hey building ARs, IS COOL!
I'm surprised this channel hasn't hit 100,000 yet...
Come on people 🧐
Very kind... Maybe one day....
Always a good day when you upload.
Very kind!
Wow...what a shooting range you have there. Gorgeous scenery!
Cheers!
Well, that explains why I've had no luck looking. Thanks for the comprehensive overview!
You are welcome!
“Bloody geese” I laughed waaaaay harder at that than I should have
Haha!
glad to see peter dyson & son on there, live about 15 minutes from them
Indeed!
It is a very interesting video, very informative. Thanks for making it.
Glad you liked it! Cheers!
I would have thought the biggest question would be, "Where can we also, get such a marvelous mustache!?"
Haha!
As a Rifleman I thank you for this great video
Glad you enjoyed it. Lots more Baker Rifle content on the Channel if you are interested. Cheers.
Thank you!
Cheers!
When I get a Baker Rifle I also plan on getting a Sharps rifle and picture them together.
Have at 'er!
6 Months ago, I just had to do it and I ordered a kit from The Rifle Shoppe. I'm doing my best by ignoring it and living my life!
Yes.... ignore it.....
With apologies, I couldn't resist a giggle when you called the Sharp TV series "under-funded", I assume in contrast to your own superlatively funded youtube channel? :-)
With apologies, I am compelled to point out that you are comparing the resources of a national TV company with the resources of a lone hobbiest providing quality historical information to an undeserving public.
Giggle all you want. If you think that this little YT Channel compares with a TV production company then I take that as a compliment. Cheers!
I fall back on 'Honi soit qui mal y pense'. I love your channel, have been subscribed for some time and look forward to your future releases.
@@britishmuzzleloaders And so you should!!!
I love y’all featured a local vendor-the rifle shoppe
They are the only one out there... not really an option NOT to include them... 🙂
"Bloody geese"...I laughed at a thing
Glad to hear!
Thank you, Rob !
You are welcome!
You can have smoothbores sleeved and rifled, so if you can find an accurate repro that is smoothbore you can normally have a gunsmith sleeve and rifle it if you want to shoot it.
Sure.
I have a Nepalese Brunswick which has a similar appearance to the Baker (hold them side by side and you will see some significant differences), but uses percussion caps. The barrel is a two groove and uses the weird winged balls. So, if you want something similar to a Baker right now, then check out IMA. You can get them with the sword bayonet, but they will be a project and also may not be suitable to fire. Just a warning before you dive in. The Rifle Shoppe sells parts for them also.
Buyer beware... .they are peculiarly Nepalese.... they do not conform to Ordnance pattern Brunswicks.
Amazing channel- thank you
Thank you!
Today is the day I'm going to start the journey to one of my dream guns and call the rifle shoppe and order a Pattern 1776 kit from them and with DeWitt Bailey's book British military Flintlock rifles 1740 to 1840 as my source I plan to do an in-depth historical overlook video on it.
That is when I get it and get it built
The order is in!!!
Now I just have to be patient and wait.
I'll just plan on it. Hopefully being here around this time next year.
Nice! I'll get around to finishing mine at some point!
@@britishmuzzleloaders It does seem like it'll be quite a fun build, somewhat like a German jeager but definitely anglecanized
One would think with the popularity of the baker that a manufacture of replica arms such as Dixie gun works in the US, or Petersoli of Italy would have made one.
I know....
@@britishmuzzleloaders someday mayhap it will come to pass.
Lovely video Rob - keep shooting!
Thank you!
Purchasing a Baker rifle 300 years after its adoption purely for historical appreciation? Now that's soldiering!
Cheers!
Ah, the things we do for our historic hobbies. I have to admit that you, sir, have far surpassed me in my insanity, but the results are well worth it, and the pride you show is fully justified. Thanks for the video.
You are most welcome!
About time!
Sure.
@@britishmuzzleloaders I really enjoy your video's and understand that you put a lot of work into them. The quality and historical research speaks volumes. Thank you for your hard work and now I will try to look for a Baker Rifle......I meant no offence Sir.
So evidently I live less than an hour away from the rifle shoppe
Cool!
Have a read of Death to the French by C.S Forrester, it is pretty much the character of Sharpe just 30 years earlier
Cheers!
This guy's life achievement
Haha! Yeah,.......
Excellent video sir! I've been following The Riffle Shoppe for some time now mainly about Jaeger pasterns. But to put in the work and create your own rifle is just an amazing experience. Cheers
Thank you!
AWESOME film
Thank you!
I ended up with three Rifle Shoppe replica builds, an 1800 pattern Baker Rifle, a "Lewis and Clark" M1803, and an M1816 common rifle. Workmanship is exemplary on all. Wanted to order a British M1776 rifle but was daunted by the prospect of yet another three-year wait. Today I don't know whether or not TRS still does builds of their own kits.
Wow! Lots of shop time in there! Well done!
@@britishmuzzleloaders Having TRS do a build just about tripled the cost of the kit by itself. Browning a barrel takes two weeks! Each gun was shipped with a 100-yard test target with notes on the loads used. I didn't even have to do any sighting in!
Just for information, the Rifle Shoppe parts kit I got last year has the proper square bottom rifling!
Nice!
I too set out to buy an original Baker Rifle....However as time moved on I sold my bayonets and my deactivated 1942 Enfield and purchased a shortened version of the Brown Bess, as issued to the
sergeants, it has both Georgian and Victorian proof marks, I'm pleased I went down this route as its an original military artefact opposed to being a reproduction
To each their own.
@@britishmuzzleloaders Absolutely.
I should like you to know that this videos and many others on your channel relating to the 95th rifles have inspired me greatly to do my own research into the fascinating subject and even secure a few pieces of kit for myself, including my very own baker rifle (albeit inert... for now) . Please do keep producing wonderful content like this, and I hope it inspires many others too. Much love and respect from the UK! 🇬🇧
That is very kind of you to say so. Glad you enjoy the channel!
Thanks for sharing these vids! recently found a couple small round ball projectiles gold panning one fired and one not.Your description of the rifling and caliber options in the vid allowed for quick id of the rifle that would have fired them and gave some interesting insite into the history of the area, was awesome to also see one being loaded and fired!
Cheers!
if your in the UK derbyshire arms make a replica, henry kranks of yorkshire. both have the on their websites.
There are a few options.... buyer beware.
@@britishmuzzleloaders there are some good ones in the uk.
@@leithafae It all depends on what you consider "Good".... As I noted in the video, there are very few that reproduce an Ordnance pattern Baker. Both those vendors offer ahistorical versions... Actually, a Derbyshire Arms example is featured in the video and was specifically chosen as a a poor example. This was the opinion of the owner, whose pictures I used. and after seeing them, I agreed.
@@britishmuzzleloaders sorry i meant good traders, i have held an 1800's baker for the napoleonic period and it felt a lot less chunky as my two replica's did, but i never seen any that replicate that real one accurately. but i meant good as is will go off every time the trigger is pulled. i had a smoothbore baker. (Thank god someone else who won't call a smooth bore baker, a baker rifle. it isn't it has no rifling its a baker smoothbore replica. apologies used to be a huge issue of contention when re-enacting the period for me.) i had two baker smoothbore reproductions. one which never seemed to fire repeatedly even after hardening the frizzen, the other i used the same flint for half a season and it went off everytime. thats what i call a good baker. i dont know why but the misfire rate seemed to be higher on baker smoothbore replicas than brown bess replicas. i don't know if you have experienced this but the brown bess lock seems a lot more reliable some how.
@@britishmuzzleloadersthanks... I had wondered on the build quality of the Derbyshire Arms rifles. I wasn't wholly convinced by the few pics I'd seen of them. I know I don't have the skill or time for a rifle shoppe kit and Dyson is a bit expensive for now though I've elected to order a Dyson. It's just a matter of when
That is most certainly a beautiful rifle. You, and the rifle shop did a magnificent job on it.
Thank you kindly.
My Rifle Shoppe Baker is done! I received it Sept 7 (8 months after ordering), and finished it in early Nov, I've only fired it once so far, windage was pretty good on the lower leaf, but about 8-10 inches high at 40M. I need to work up a good load before filing the sights. I'm thinking of making it my silhouette flintlock. I routinely shoot the muzzle loader silhouette match (50, 75 and 100 M) at Fairfax Rod and Gun Club in Northern Va. If you live within striking distance of Manassa Va. , and shoot any kind of muzzle loader check out Fairfax Rod and Gun Club and Bull Run Muzzle Loaders (BRML shoots at the Izzac Walton range in Manassas). Both hold monthly matches, open to the public. BRML is year around, FXRGC is seasonal. Both welcome any muzzle loader with iron sights, yes that means inlines too,. The BRML shoot is actually a muzzle loader day, you don't have to shoot the match, in which case any sights are OK. If you are a newbie its a chance to come and get any kind of help or advice you can imagine, both shoots are full of helpful, friendly and very experienced muzzle loader shooters. They are informal friendly matches and very open to anybody who wants to shoot muzzle loaders.
As for the build experience I would say this was on the faster side, but had a new to me technical challenge, soldering the bayonet log. I have built 4 flintlocks (from kits) now, A 40 cal Virginia Rifle kit from. TVM, A . 58 Jeager with parts from Track of the Wolf, but local partially inletted stock from Dunlap Woodcrafts, a Brown Bess with old Nepalese metal from IMI, (the stock was a terrible fit) and the Baker from The Rifle Shop, (pre built lock). The Rifle Shoppe kit had the best fit (metal to wood) For me the challenges were fitting the barrel properly, fitting the trigger guard, as I think it warped when taken out of the mold, soldering on the bayonet lug, and cutting the powder relief in the breech plug. However as this was my fourth build I at least had a chance. The butt plate, lock and side plate were easy to finish compared to the other builds. The barrel fit was a bit of a dissapointment, cut too deep near the breach, and pretty high and a bit narrow and off center along the barrel. Fortunately I could remove enough wood (unequally) from the sides to center it up, so it wasn't wrong, just un finished (expected) and slightly off center (not really a problem as long as you are taking care) . I did end up glass bedding the breach and 6 inches or so of the barrel because the back of the barrel channel was too deep (not horrible, say half a mm or less). You always have to pay attention to those sorts of things when finishing one of these kits. I would say that over all a newbie to flint lock building would find this rifle pretty hard to build, and if you are a flintlock newbie as well your chances go further down. The main reason I built it so fast was no decorative carving. I'm not an experienced wood worker and certainly not especially artistic so all I do is copy from what other people have done, slowly. However the Baker has no carving or fancy inlays, which for me is the scary time consuming part of building a flintlock. (My Jager took over a year because I got to the carving point and it took several months to get my courage up to the point of possibly ruining a nice walnut stock). For the Baker build, the biggest non obvious to me thing I learned was to fit the breech block to the barrel and plug first (pretty obvious) , then temporally solder the breech block to the plug (didn't think of that) so as to fit the tang, block and barrel to the stock all at once just like a non hooked barrel, Thanks to Bill Raby for that tip on his current You Tube build series.
Link to a photo of me and my Baker.
www.dropbox.com/s/14h3b5tqnkhgbja/DEC_Baker.jpg?dl=0
PS If this is too much of a plug for shooting clubs, suppliers, or the photo link is out of bounds, I apologize in advance and understand if you feel the need to remove)
Awesome news! Have a great time working it up!
Bravo! I need a baker rifle so bad....i feel like my interest in antique firearms is going to be an expensive hobby...
It is what it is....
I thought they did a grand job making the Sharpe series(could a baker rifle be made with double set trigger?)nice job making your 2nd rifle
It was what it was.... not at all taking away from the inspiration that the novels and series gave.... but when you are simulating an 800 man battalion with 17 people,... well, it is what it is,......
well said
Ahhh I love the Sharpe series! I've got the whole series, read every book at least once. Great video!
Fun books, not "history", but fun books...
If Canada makes you turn this into a pile of slag in 1.5 years I would like to give it a home down here in the States treat it well and let you see her again whenever you want.
Haha! Let's hope it doesn't come to that.
@@britishmuzzleloaders I sure hope not.
I very much enjoyed your Baker Rifle videos. Have you read the "Barber's Instructions" (1804) manual? It's very comprehensive in regards to training and tactical field maneuvers for British rifle-equipped light infantry. It also includes diagrams for small-unit movements in the field and the complete scores for all bugle calls. My facsimile copy was published by "Museum Restoration Service" Ottawa, Canada 1968. I bought it from Ken Trotman's store in the mid-90s.
I have not read it. There were a great many manuals and treatises on the subject and from that it would seem that resultantly, there were many minor variations and differences from author to author as the "new" world of LI tactics matured during the Napoleonic Wars... Cheers!
I had a friend in England who had an encyclopedic knowledge of bayonets and the collection to match. He had a Baker and the sword bayonet which he kept, bayonet attached behind the living room door. A few years after he died, I asked his son what happened to the Baker and his collection? All sold 😒. I managed to get a bayonet at a later date.
A shame, that....
Believe it or not, "smooth rifles" were a real thing. The term generally refers to rifles which, perhaps due to wear, were rebored for use as fowlers. They were uncommon, but do appear from time to time in colonial north America.
I am aware,... yes.
Another question. I believe I remember how Sharpe boasts he knows a way how to fire 3 shots in a minute in stead of 2, and the 95th uses that technique. How realistic is that? Yes I know it's just TV.
Lots of Baker content that deals with that here, on the Channel, if you are interested.
Access Heritage makes one but it's a smoothbore, not a rifle.
So not a Baker Rifle, then,….. 😀
Supposedly (I've seen the email, but I still hold some grains of salt at the ready) Pedersoli are working on one, to be "developped during the 2022 [sic]." Let us hope, eh?
Maybe one day they will get around to it.. Like you say "apparently" they are working on one.
Well those geese were well at it
Weren't they?
I love flint locks I've always wanted a brown bess or kentucky long rifle but I love this video on this rifle I knew nothing about. Thank you very much
You are most welcome!
Now THAT'S soldering!!
Sure!
"before he started dying everywhere he went" cracked me up!
Haha!
In the books when Captain Murray died he gave Sharpe his heavy cavalry sword
Sure thing.
Of course Richard Sharpe would have said “Yer Geese Bastards”. Well done on another fine video :)
I don't speak Yorkshire, unfortunately.
@@britishmuzzleloaders Sharpe started out in London, but a move to Yorkshire was introduced into his story as an explanation for Sean Bean's accent. Accents tended to be very localised: I've been told that I show traces of three distinct places, where my parents each grew up, and where I did, and so think a Yorkshireman of the time would likely have thought Sharpe was from somewhere close, but not be certain of where. In those days, even the gentry had local accents (though less of the local dialect).
Another example: Billy the Kid's mother probably had a Yorkshire accent, so what did he sound like?
It’s not “Ber-narrd” Cornwell, it’s “Bernard (Bernurd) Cornwell.
Sure.
britishmuzzleloaders He’s British, that’s how we pronounce it. Same as Maurice is pronounced “Morris” not “Moor-reece”.
Now you made a video about how yo got your Baker rifle. Where did you get your Parker Hale P53 Enfield?!?!?!?
I found a few Parker Hales in a pawnshop once, and the owner recognized my muzzle loading interest. Even offered me a deal, where he'd give me all his old stuff to go with them.
But I didn't have the money to spend.
From a guy.... on the internet.... not very exciting, I know...
I think that you are very exciting to watch from your serious looks to your funny jokes I wait eagerly until the next video come out. But where did you get your PH P53? Edit: oh now I see what you mean from a guy on the internet, I thought that you meant the you were not ver exciting. My mistake.
They make a lot of brown bess muskets
Yes.
They make Prussian,french,austrian,russian,Swedish,ducth,British,Spanish and American rifles
Yes.
Private Plunkett made a great shot got a reward
He made two...
He was a Rifleman not a Private
*BLOODY GEESE*
This is the part were you run away from a Canadian😓🇨🇦
Haha!
God this video gave me such a history boner! I need a Baker rifle now.
It just so happens that I have watched two Sharpe films this week. Both covering India rebellion of 1817-18. I note that you have browned the barrel and it looks like the lock assembly as well. Was this the norm at the time. The weapons in the film, both Bess and Baker, had bright steelwork which surprised me. I am hoping to procure a Bakers smooth bore (it will not be fired), but I would brown the barrel myself or have it done by a gunsmith depending on how easy it is. I have blued guns before.
What advice might you impart?
I have looked at the Rifle shoppe and they still advertise a fully assembled lock.
His there. The barrels were browned, the locks were case hardened.
Someone needs to get Pedersoli on this!
I know!
I won a 1781 Brown Bess (after more research confirmed it's definitely a Brown Bess) from gunbroker last week and it's so cool. It was converted into a caplock at some point in the 1800s and has markings showing it was issued to the East India Company. Also has a bayonet made by John Gill, but I suspect it is not from this musket, fits way too loose. I'm not quite sure if it's safe to fire though, going to resell it to a collector where I know it will be safe. As it stands it will just gather dust on my wall, it's too tall for my humidity controlled gun safe.
As long as the touch hole is not to big, the breech plug is tight, and the barrel has no cracks or spilts. It can fire!
Nice!
I’ve really enjoyed all the pieces about the Rifled Baker Rifle, so much so that I’ve just commissioned one to be made, now for the 18 month wait! Also, it will be my first black powder rifle 👍🏻 Thank you, great videos, I will be supporting 😊
Nice! and thank you for supporting the Channel!
You are really going all out for your first gun I hope you enjoy it.
Thats a hell of a first muzzleloader....
Just know that you cannot delay one second on cleaning it when finished... EVER. Black powder is an unforgiving whore.
ONE missed or delayed cleaning will rust your new rifle without a doubt.
100 % fascinating 😊
Cheers!
As someone who's been a viewer of your channel for years, and owning a couple of geese myself, I can't even state how hard I laughed at the "BLOODY GEESE" at the start there. Almost had tea coming out of my nose. Master of comedy as well as information, I love it!
Glad you enjoyed it! Cheers.
I'm totally not going to build a baker for the love of Sharpe and the 95th...nooo. It's for....uhhh....the 60th...Yeah! 60th Rifles. Definitely not the 95th
Well, each has it's following!
Hi there. Is it easier to seat a load with the Baker by pushing with the flat end of the ramrod? Is that why you don't "flip" the ramrod as with other muzzleloading arms? I've always wondered. I've been a fan of the channel for years! -Best wishes- Brent
HI Brent. The Baker ramrod is made to function the way it is shown in the video (and others). The "head" of the ramrod does not fit down the barrel. The "head" is there to assist loading by giving the hand a wide surface to push on as the ball and patch is tight (as you are no doubt aware). Cheers.
@@britishmuzzleloaders Ah ha! Thank you. I had no idea that the "head" didn't fit in the barrel. Does the ramrod allow for the use of cleaning tools like the Brown Bess ? Really enjoying the Bess videos! Hello from Vermont!- Brent
I am an American, therefore I will make do with my trusty Long Rifle the way Daniel Morgan would have wanted.
As you would!
I always thought it was " Bite, Prime, Pour, Spit, Tamp, Fire"...."3 rounds a minute, that's what the bloody French will shoot and so will you. Or you'll be dead otherwise". Dam I loved the Sharpe series. Apparently there was many more novels than they managed to make shows of by my count. Cool.
Sharpe is fun,.... not history.
Loved the Aussie look with the OG's, floppy hat and Baker
Well before any BML thoughts.... that was the very first round fired...
"Swift & Bold"...
👍
Very interesting subject. I was a member of the 2nd Btn 95th Rifle Regiment (re enactment group) and I purchased my Baker from a gun store near Leeds. My model baker was not a rifle even though everything on the weapon was the same as a rifle, but a smooth bore shotgun or musket, in order to make ownership easier due to UK firearms laws. With the black powder licence as well, ownership and storage was up to firearms standard, very tight and restricted.
A common case, for sure!
"Easier said than done" well you see i live in a State where i can mail order this to my home since its a "antique" so any black powder fire arm i can get easily. BUT the only thing that would stop me is price rn since money is tighter than a boa constrictor wrapped around its prey
So it is easier said than done...
@britishmuzzleloaders Have you heard the news from Pedersoli? During an interview they announced that they are working on the production of the Baker rifle replica. They said it will be available between autumn 2023 and 2024... Then of course i'll look forward to see your toughts ;)
Yes I had heard! Very exciting news, indeed!
I actually about 2 months ago was interested in buying a Baker. I have no interest in getting an Indian copy, because I want a rifled gun and the quality scares me from what I have seen in some of them. Then I contacted the Rifle Shoppe, or should I say, tried to contact the Rifle Shoppe. It took several attempts to get through and the first time was little to no info, so I gave up. I then contacted Pedersoli, and I actually contacted Pierangelo Pedersoli and I told him if they made the Baker, it would be very popular and sell, I know I would buy one. He told me that they have no plans on making the Baker anytime in the future as it would be very expensive to develop and then try to market it. So don't count on Pedersoli making a version of the Baker anytime soon. I gave up and bought a Pedersoli French An IX Cavallerie carbine, it's smoothbore but I wanted something in a carbine form and with Pedersoli the quality is excellent even though it doesn't have the accuracy. I may end up having to settle for a Pedersoli Jaeger.
That is a common substitute. Certainly in the same family for sure.
@@britishmuzzleloaders I actually talked to Pierangelo Pedersoli today about this, and linked this video to him. He said that a survey of how many people would want a Baker made would be helpful before they would consider making one. How a survey like that is done, I don't know, but that was better than the response I got before about it. Personally, I think if they were to make one, people would be buying them as fast as he could make them, I know I would be in line to get one, which is what I told Pierangelo.
@@Bayan1905 That's very interesting!
@@britishmuzzleloaders I think if everyone wrote, or emailed Pedersoli, we could get this done. Or at least let them know that we're interested.
Low budget! I seem to recall it was fairly high budget for independent television in the UK at the time.
Sure.
Wait.. so we're their smoothbore... And rifled.. from back in original production times.???
No
It's a shame that Flashman has never had a decent adaptation to screen. Probably wouldn't be attempted these days as Harry Flashman was an 'utter bastard' and his behaviour very non pc and understandably offensive and racist.
Macdonald Fraser's writing does a really good job of satirising the Victorian establishment though even through the eyes of such a prick as Flashman.
Still, as great as the books are, they'd make a great series, if done properly. The Malcolm McDowell version sadly gave the family such a bad taste that they apparently never again would entertain another... Quartered Safe Out Here is crying to be made into a movie...
Exceptionally well done video. I understand there are a couple of ways to brown your barrel which method did you use? And, can you direct me to the source. I'm waiting on my Baker from TRS. I'm wondering if I asked them to dovetail the components for the barrel or not.. Ack, gotta call. Practicing on pistols for now.
I used a product called "Plum Brown" from Birchwood Casey. About 15 coats.
I too am waiting for my Baker from TRS - been almost 2 years now.
@@geegaw14 I received mine in about 2 years 4 months. I'm sure COVID had an impact there. Very pleased with the product. Finished inlaying the Tang, Butt plate, and patch box. Working on the pipes now.
Just got mine at last. Only took 26 months. As Rob said, patience is a virtue. FYI, the kit looks awesome and the work they did for me like breaching the barrel and soldering on the bayonet lug was expertly done. You should see the assembled lock -amazing. Definitely worth the wait.
So, if you want a Baker Rifle, you have three choices: expensive, very expensive, and OMG!
LOL
The options are limited, yes.
Oh yes... The Portuguese had the Baker rifle as well. They removed the rifling. Made it into a smooth bore... Removed the cheek rest section. And at times covered the patch box with a wood blank...
Yes... I know... Us Portuguese are VERY different at times!!!
So, I guess it would be REAL easy to get an Indian made Baker. And turn in into the "Portuguese Pattern"...
Something to consider perhaps?
I think that was done with Portuguese service Bakers taken to Brazil. Not in Portugal.
Not by me.... 🙂
I saw an original rifled Portuguese Baker in Henry Krank's shop in Leeds a few yrs ago. I think it was about £5-6k. I was surprised at the price having seen auction pieces go for +£10k.
acquiring any muzzle loader than isn't an inline or a Hawken is like..... well I cant come up with an analogy that properly represents the pain and sacrifice.
Haha! A bit of a journey, yes....
Derbyshire Arms Ltd. offer a rifled version of the Baker Rifle from £1400.Proofed firing models available.
Mileage may vary...
Were do I get one? Why do I want one? .....I don't. I do wish I had a decent En-field Mark II a 303. When I was a teenager in the Midwest in the early 1960"s I could have bought on from a comic book add for $29. Now, I live in Newark, NJ. A city of 285K Not much room hear for a rifle
What is an Enfield Mk II?
I have a rifled baker. Firing mechanism was changed to percussion. Not sure what they are worth but is just a wall hanger for me.
Very interesting!
GO--D SAVE IRELAND!!
Haha!