I have owned 3 C class RV’s 2 we’re 2001 and 2005 Lazy Daze. The third was a 1995 Born Free. No slides excellent build with only quality materials. Holds value and both have cult followers.
Picked up a Coachman Cross Trail this last June. 21’ no slides. Brother and I are traveling in it until next May. No issues other than 2 lights not working due to a blown fuse and had the tanks cleaned professionally. Nice size for 2 and the Transit chassis is solid on the road. Look into this if looking into a class C. Oh and mileage when we bought it from a private party, 2345 miles.
I love all of your videos, thank you for helping us out. I really wanted a Mercedes chassis 24' class C but was not willing to pay 90K for a used model. I found a 2017 Thor 22B E450, original owner, garage kept, 24 hours on the generator, babied and well maintained with only 5800 miles on her. It literally looks brand new, and everything works as new. The owners told me that from new they had no issues at all. When I bought it last year the only two minor problems I could find were, one igniter on the stove did not work and the black tank was reading 3/4 full constantly. I replaced the burner wire and installed a tornado flush nozzle in the black tank, end of both issues. I only paid $50k and could not be more pleased with this RV. Did I just get lucky because I see Thor takes a beating for build quality? I have been all over this coach and can't find a single flaw anywhere. She runs like new and the living space is as well.
Hi Randall. It sounds like you found a great RV for your needs. It's true that Thor has their issues with overall quality. Mainly with maintaining consistency with the products they produce. But you may have found a really good one and that's a great thing. I hope you enjoy it and have lots of fun adventures in it!
We purchased an Entegra Odyssey 30z. We absolutely love it. The RV is well-made, easy to drive, and comfortable to stay in. My RV is a 2022 and so far little to no issues. I love the one piece fiberglass roof appearance and the very few seams. The AC units, leveling system, and entertainment systems are excellent. I would purchase this unit again.
Me and the wife are starting to look at class c RVs to live in full time. We could easily save thousands per month by simplifying our lifestyle. Thanks
I love your channel! I really value your information since you’re in the business of inspecting RVs. I’m looking to buy a used Diesel Class A motorhome & decided on the diesel from watching several of your other videos! So thanks for taking the time to make all these videos! I’m sure more people than u know appreciate it:)
Hi Tammy. It's always nice to hear that my videos have been helpful and are appreciated. That inspires me to continue making more. Thanks so much for the positive feedback!
Thanks for this video! This is exactly what I needed for my search for an RV. I often think about getting a used RV instead of a new one. For some of the same reasons you stated. Like the price would be the true value of an RV. Now I'm now armed with the knowledge of what to look for and get the best bang for my buck.
I would not own a Mercedes under any circumstance. More expensive to maintain and the owners I talked to had issues with them. The various mobile mechanics I've used don't like them either. I like the E-450 chasis. They are used for the people moving buses the national parks use and the run and run and run. Affordable to repair.
I'm a Winnebago guy, but i want a class c with W/D option under 30 ft for state parks. That leaves Coachman Leprechaun 298QB. Positives: W/D option, Azdel sides, slide covers, 12v frig, King bed, J lounge that converts to U, nice amt of internal storage, reasonable price Negatives: Accordion blinds, not much external storage or covered connections, Lippert main slide, not using slam latches on ext storage, can't use King bed with slide in. I like the Winn Vista class a (29V) but no W/D and wood furnishings appear to me to be same as my 30K TT, I'd expect better in a 200K camper. The outdoor kitchen is nice but W/D a must. My concern is Coachman reviews I've read, but Leprechaun seems to get better reviews recently.
Jayco also makes a wonderful 29D (model i own) traveled thru 21 States last summer in it and covered 11,500 miles in 4 months.It’s a 2007 Melbourne . Nothing but good things to rave about.
I’m a Winnebago fan, having owned two. Very trouble free for me. But I’m going away from my Winnebago class A gasser back to a class C. This time an ENTEGRA class C. I wanted to be more nimble again and the particular Entegra model fit our needs. Thank you for your videos.
@@RVInspectionAndCare Thank you Duane. For the past couple of months we’ve been looking for the right used class C but have been very disappointed in the condition of them. Disappointed in how people don’t maintain them as we know they should be, disappointed in how some dealers in Arizona but zero effort into checking and cleaning them up. As you said, used often means the factory missteps have been corrected. But, with the new marked as it is we think we’ve worked out a deal on a 2025 model for a few thousand more than a two year old unit. Now we need an inspector in the Phoenix area. I’m good but I may miss things. Thank you for your videos.
@@anthonyb2334 It's so true that most RV owners do not maintain them like they should and dealers often don't prep or PDI their used RVs much either. And that's why RV inspection is so critical if you want to make sure you know the true condition of any RV you are considering for purchase. I'm glad you have already made the decision to use an RV inspector Anthony. It's money well spent!
Ditto on the Sunseeker. We started with a Minnie Winnie but traded into a Sunseeker so we could more easily pull a tow vehicle. I didn’t like that the Minnie Winnie didn’t have a back window either. 🤷♀️
We had a Chateau 29' 20 years ago and I mostly liked it. The quality was okay enough, and as I was mechanically proficient it was livable. Thor, from my recollection had a mixed reputation so I was pleased we didn't get a lemon off the line. We took it from every corner of the continent, across Canada and the USA a handful of times and it had no problems, except that E350 chassis' V8 was utterly anemic at altitude driving. Would I buy a used Class C of that ilk? Probably not, unless it was an incredible deal. Otherwise, I'm happy to take in your quality recommendations. However, I wonder about Mercedes chassis: Is their maintenance, repair, and parts not only higher cost but more sporadic? I'm not the biggest fan of Ford and their practices but there is no doubt I could get a part or service any where in North America. We had a Class A on a VW Diesel chassis in the past and it was a nightmare when it started to develop mechanical problems.
I wish I could recommend Thor because they put out a lot of RVs in various classes. But I can't put them on any list of the best quality manufacturers at this point. Of course, that doesn't mean that you can't get a good RV from them. I know several folks who have Thor products and are happy with them. But there are other brands that are more consistently better in construction and customer service for the time being. I hope that may change in the future. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts and experiences with us!
@@RVInspectionAndCare Right on! As I grow older, I only become fonder for consistent, and reliable quality. I'm really enjoying the content and going back to watch way more. I'm seriously thinking of returning to the RV party after a long break. Boy am I glad guys like you and the NRVIA exists! Thank you for your content! I suspect we'll be purchasing your e-books soon.
I just bought a used 30' Four Winds 5000 which is in almost showroom condition with only 46k on it. It's actually on a Chevy chassis and has the BBC 454 in it. Got it for 12k! Generator only has 112 hour on it as well!
Any RV based on the Mercedes Sprinter chassis is going to be expensive to maintain, and dealer service not as available as Ford, Chevy, or Ram. The diesel engine has less power overall, and diesel engines in general cost more to maintain because of all the required emissions equipment. Also the towing capacity is less, in fact you may be close to Max GVW when you load it with water, propane, and your personal effects. Tiffin Wayfarers in particular are heavy.
There are pluses for choosing a Sprinter chassis as well and lots of happy users too. So I lay out both the good and bad of these RVs in this video - ua-cam.com/video/SeroO5ALniU/v-deo.html But truthfully, I don't consider them or any van based chassis RV a true Class C. There is no clear definition for these size RVs, but I feel that they belong in the Class B+ category.
first tip stay away from all slides . no heat producing exhaust on passenger side most important stay away from diesel the cost of fuel and maintenance is insane if you look online at used class c the lost are full of diesels because people are not buying them . the ford transit rv are taking over the market with the v6 awd 1 ton best deal and best rv out there and can be serviced at most ford dealers . a diesel has to be maintained by a diesel mechanic and the price is way to high .the cost of fuel and def requirements come on diesel is on the way out
I think you're being too dogmatic. Slides really make an rv a home. Also, diesel engines have benefits over gas. Both of the above come with drawbacks, however as long as a person understands the cons, well, it's their choice.
Turbocharged v6 is junk most of the time and nobody really follows the maintenance guidelines for them. A 3000 dollar or more part to repair that can't be fixed solo.
Sprinter vans are too claustrophobic. I have to have some slides because we travel with three large dogs. A sprinter van without slides would never work.
Well, I have the remote job but I couldn't afford something five years to new. Any chance have you done any reviews for purchasing older models? I'm a very simple person - just me!
Hi Kelly. I haven't made a used Class C video that goes back more than about 5 years so far. But I have created a guidebook that goes back to 2007. You can find it here - payhip.com/b/2hzk3 I'm glad that you mentioned this subject though as I can see that a video needs to be made about it. Thanks for watching!
Sorry but that's a project that I can't help you with. It sounds like you need an experienced RV converter like those that convert vans into RVs to help you out with that.
I haven't created much content on those subjects so far. But there is well over 200 videos on my channel that covers a lot of RVing topics that would be good to know.
Tiffin makes a great RV Dee-Dee. And buying an RV that is before the Covid pandemic is probably a good idea too. Enjoy your new RV and the places it takes you!
Few questions , Wife and myself are in our 70 ies , RV never appealed too us , but we need too get out and do some travel , She has medical issues and air & cruise line travel she always gets sick days afterwards , I have been looking at market place adds from local sellers , I am a boater , RV is the same as a boat , trying too stay within the 20 grand and less figure , We might not like it ,Majority viewed are 20 years old , Dated inside , All were the F 450 V 10 engines , Few that I looked at all had low milage , 30 - 50 thousand , 25 feet seems best for two , Can park home , Another question I have is towing of a boat , On the rare occasion I might take my 22 ft fishing boat , weight is 4500 lbs, F 450 can tow . Used too own 26 ft box trucks , Well aware of no vision backing up too a ramp , but my concern is distance from rear wheels too trailer hitch , pulling boat at ramp , will bottom of rv bottom out ? Ideas and thoughts is appreciated
Sorry Alan but I can’t say for sure whether the back end on the RV might bottom out at some boat ramps. But it’s definitely less likely on a 25 foot rig as opposed to a 30 footer. All the best to you in your new adventures!
I've been shopping the Winnebago 'EKKO' but heard quite a few complaints about them. Of course oft mentioned complaints were the alternator (?) problem and the fuel line to the Generator.....I'm looking for a 1-2 year old well maintained RV.
Hi Sean. Yes, older Fleetwood Jamborees are on my recommended list. But one that far back will definitely require a thorough RV inspection to make sure that it is worthy of consideration. I explain how to perform a personal pre-inspection on older RVs like that in my guidebook on buying used RVs. You can find and download it here - payhip.com/b/cPLl I hope that helps.
Just because an RV has Azdel in the sidewall construction does not guarantee that luan is not used in the ceiling or floor. There are very few RV's made that could be considered truly "luan-free". But Azdel does not figure in my determination of whether an RV is quality made or not. And I explained my reasoning about the subject in this video - ua-cam.com/video/xplQPhKFwnk/v-deo.html
Coachmen is not on my Class C recommended list of brands. But that doesn't mean that you can't get a good RV from Coachmen. It just means that there are usually better brands to choose from in a similar price range that put the odds on your side that you will be happy with your RV for a long time. I hope that helps.
@RVInspectionAndCare oh wow thanks for reply. Soooo one more. We are headed right now to look at a 2020 Winnebago Vita 24p- 22k miles - $86k. Thoughts on that one? Promise- last one .lol
@@Melissa-mz3qu Winnebago is on my recommended list for small Class C RVs. Just be sure to check the cargo carrying capacity to make sure that it meets your needs. These smaller Class Cs are often lacking in that area.
Actually this video is not about making a head-to-head comparison of makes and models. I'm just listing a few of the brands and models that are a cut above their competition in terms of quality construction methods, customer service after the sale and resale value.
Great info I’m in the process of getting a 2006 Winnebago Cambria 26a, your thoughts on it, that has been in storage for 10+ years, less than 2K original miles. RVing is new to me. Should I be concerned about the age and non-use. Seems to be in great shape although going to spend quite a bit to get it back in shape. Got it for hardly nothing. Thanks for any advice you may have.
Winnebago built some very good RVs in those years. But I would concerned about the age and non-use. RVs are meant to be used and they actually benefit from regular usage. So I recommend that you be careful with the engine and drivetrain especially. Maybe have a reputable mechanic that you trust look it over thoroughly for you. And make sure that you have a certified RV inspector go through the RV part too and see if any major issues come to light or not. I hope it turns out to be the gem that you are looking for.
The vast majority of Class C RVs these days are built on a Ford E350 or E450 chassis. And the RVs built on a Mercedes chassis are not true Class C RVs in my opinion. They are being recognized these days as Class B+ RVs.
Coachmen is not a brand that is on my recommended list but that doesn't mean that you can't get a RV made by that brand. Just be sure to get it inspected thoroughly before buying to know what kind of shape it's in. And you can find good used RVs at lots of places online like RVTrader.com, RVT.com Ebay, and on Facebook groups where RV sellers post their rigs for sale. I hope that helps.
I try to review any brand that is sold in the US no matter where it comes from. But some brands produce so few units in a year that I just can't personally review them. Or they just don't have much of a presence in the US market. And I suspect that's the issue with the ALP Adventurer.
Great work. My wife and I (in our 70’s) would like to buy a good quality used class B+, gasser, with a rear sleeping arrangement. She sleeps in and I’m up very early. I prefer not to wait outside for her to wake up. Might you have a recommendation for us or a guide we could purchase with a ranked list? Just naming two or three models/years would be a tremendous help. Thank you. Tom
Hi Tom. You specified a gas engine for a Class B plus RV and that limits the offerings somewhat as so many manufacturers like to use the Mercedes Sprinter chassis with the diesel engine instead. But here are a couple of B plus brands and models that I could recommend - the Winnebago Ekko on the Ford Transit chassis and the Leisure Travel Wonder on the Transit chassis. Both of those are great brands that make a quality RV. So any gas powered used Class B plus made by those brands would be a good choice. I hope that helps.
I had a Mercedes chassis and I hated it because you’re only allowed to use B5 or less biodiesel. ( otherwise, you can ruin your engine and void your warranty ). I wound up in Oklahoma driving from gas station to gas station trying to find bio diesel or diesel that I could put in my Mercedes chassis and don’t try calling ahead to ask what the station has because the person answering the phone has no idea what you were talking about. And dealers don’t know that there’s a specification about it even though it’s written on the inlet to the diesel tank and it’s in the owners manual. I called Mercedes to see if there was a workaround. They informed me that there was not, and that they don’t manufacture their products based on what the US does with their diesel. Very bad customer service.
There are definitely cons to having a Mercedes Sprinter chassis RV and you mentioned some of them. But a lot of RV owners with that chassis still love them for their positive aspects. They remain very popular.
Mercedes-Benz afirmar que não é possível usar diesel de qualidade inferior em seus motores, mantendo assim o alto nível de qualidade da marca alemã não é atendimento ruim ao cliente, muito pelo contrário. Não é a toa que sua van é a melhor que existe atualmente no mercado mundial, seja para motorhome, transporte de passageiros ou mercadorias, os seus caminhões são altamente confiáveis e duráveis e os seus carros de luxo são os escolhidos para transportar membros de diversas realezas em todo o mundo.
I wanted to comment on this before. I think you have the same RV that I have. A Scottsdale by Newmar. The same interior. I enjoy your videos. I originally wanted a class C but I didn't like the over hangs. Do you have any suggestions for class C without that overhang.
It is a Newmar, but our rig is a Kountry Star. But A lot of Newmars looked alike on the inside during that time period though. Unfortunately, the front overhang is what often defines a Class C. It's a way of maximizing sleeping space. You might find that a Class B+ or a Class A might fit what you're looking for better. There are smaller Class As that might do the trick for you. And B+'s are built on van chassis frames but they more similar to a Class C than a Class B. I hope that is helpful Charmae.
What are your thoughts on Leprechaun, I think they are made by Coachman but not sure. I think it was a 311DS. I will look at the Tiffin as I didn't know they made Class C's, love the looks of their A's. Thanks.
I am not a big fan of Coachmen products in general if we are just talking about quality construction and customer service. The Class C segment of the RV industry is filled with manufacturers who use sub-par building materials and methods, and whose customer service needs improvement. The brands that I mentioned in this video and in my Class C buying guidebook would be a much better choice in most cases.
@@RVInspectionAndCare thank you very much for the reply. I was also looking at a Minnie Winnie, 31K I think, so I will look closer at that. Thanks again, oh and I am a new subscriber!
I created a guidebook that lists my recommendations for Class C brands all the way back to 2007. You can download it here if you like - payhip.com/b/2hzk3
I own a new 2011 ... Mercedes E class diesel. I asked the salesman how much was an oil change and he said $150😂... I thought ok I can do that... First oil change $150. Second oil change $250 Third oil change $600... There's a reason why you are unlikely to see a Mercedes on a tow truck. HIGH MAINTENANCE! HIGH LABOR RATES. A Mercedes isn't for a penney pincher... I had my Mercedes for 10 years- great gas mileage and trouble free... You pay for what you get.
Class Cs are in high demand right now it seems. And Jayco builds a pretty good one for the money. It may take some patience to find the one you want but stay diligent and you'll probably find it eventually. Thanks for watching and commenting Pam!
Jayco is on my recommended list but Forest River is not at this time. If you want to find out about all of the Class C and Super C motorhome brands that I recommend, you can download my guidebook on that subject here - payhip.com/b/2hzk3
Very nice Robert! The Class Cs on a Mercedes chassis get pretty good fuel mileage for an RV. And that's going to be a real advantage this summer when fuel prices are sky high!
Same here, but I have the mini C Winnebago View on T1N chassis. 17mpg as well. Tons of channels on how to work on the engine, or find yourself a T1N mechanic.
I find that the easiest way to to find real world starting prices is to look on RVTrader.com and make a nationwide search. Then throw out the high end and low end prices and use the median price range as a starting point for negotiation. I hope that helps!
Yes Richard. Tiffin is known for lower CCC in some models. As long as you know that going in and store your cargo accordingly, it doesn't change the fact that the Wayfarer is an exceptionally well built small Class C.
@@RVInspectionAndCare two big adults and a full water tank and you are leaving a thin margin. Add a full size dog and some clothing and you are close to maximum. I suspect many Tiffin owners never weigh their loaded rig as the answer might be painful.
@@arisdaddy2001 Actually, my research says that the Wayfarer is rated for 1150 pounds of CCC. While that isn't as much as some other brand models, it's ample enough if you are careful with loading your rig. And once again Richard, that still doesn't change the fact that the Wayfarer is a popular and well built RV, made by a high quality manufacturer with exceptional customer service.
Hi Les. I am not a big fan of Thor products in many cases. I just feel that there are better brands out there to choose in the same price range. And RVs that come out of rental service have often been used hard. Of course, that doesn't mean that you can't get a good one. But I think there are better choices to be had. Just being honest ...
I am looking at a 2021 freedom elite 30fe but haven't been able to find many reviews. What scares me most is that it was made during the pandemic and I know QC took a dive during that time period.
Hi Julian. I am not a big fan of Thor products. I feel that you can get a better coach for about the same money from a builder that pays more attention to quality and customer service.
Do typical TV dealers trade Jeeps for an RV? I'm In St. Louis, going to start looking around for a class c. Then sell my house and live out west with my dogs. I just need direction as to where to go to buy, erc.
We are planning on retiring in a couple of years, selling our house and getting a Class C to travel for a few years while we still can. With a Class C is it easy to come and go in your motor home when your in a campsite for a week or so? We know nothing about set up/take down (yet!) so we’re wondering what you do when you want to go see the sights or make a grocery run.
Hi Julie. If you buy a smaller Class C RV, it can very useful not only for travel and camping but can also be used as an around-town vehicle too. But you will have to disconnect all hook-ups before leaving and reconnect them when you return. Of course, as the RV gets longer it gets more difficult to use for errands and short trips. In that case, many RVers tow another vehicle behind the Class C RV, either on a tow dolly or with all four wheels on the ground. I hope that helps.
@@RVInspectionAndCare Thanks for the info. We already know we don’t want to tow a vehicle and we’re not looking for a huge motor home with it just being the two of us. So glad we found your YT channel, we have so much to learn in the next couple of years and your videos are great.
LTV is on my recommended list of manufacturers. But as long as your expectations aren't too high, there are some good Class C builders in the states too. Don't believe all the negativity out there.
@@RVInspectionAndCare I watched this video before and just wanted to remind myself of your recommended models. That’s when I started looking more at the Entegra coaches. I like the Minnie Winnie, but they seem to love sticking the kitchen in a corner of a slide out leaving very limited counter space and I love cooking. Also not fond of the main TV being mounted on a long arm mounted in the front bunk. Thanks for the recommendations. 👍👍
@@genxskeptic5816 Sometimes it's a challenge to find the floor plan you want from a good brand. Also, I wonder who designs these interiors too. Especially the TV. A lot of floor plans have the TV in an area that is not easily viewed from any part of the room without turning your head in an uncomfortable way. Oh well, that's my rant for today. 😀
Ok we are looking at a 31ft and are considering taking out the bottom bunk and add stackable w/d and small desk/work area. Thanks for responding and enjoy the content.
A lot of Class B+ RVs have a smallish cargo capacity issue. But since there is no problem with them towing a trailer behind the RV, that allows for plenty of cargo storage in the trailer. And the RVs are small enough that you don't need another vehicle for short trips around town or errands anyway.
But it is true that if you pass the load capacity it's a safty and security low issue to travel. Also bad for the structure. I love the tiffin wayfare its beautiful. But, not we are talking about the pull another car. Is the cargo of passenger think that you need to add for dayly normal journey. How much weight can I add if in the door yellow stickers said 96Lb
@@javiergonzalez6920 Like I said, if you don't have much cargo capacity in the RV itself, just tow a trailer that can carry the items you want to take with you instead. A lot of Class B+ RVers do this to resolve the low cargo capacity issue.
Hi Edward. I know that many people would consider that Leisure Travel makes a Class C RV. But both the Wonder and the Unity models are built on either a Mercedes or Transit chassis. And to me that makes them a Class B+ RV, not a Class C, which is what this video was about. But the good news is that Leisure Travel is on my recommended list of Class B+ RVs. Thanks for watching and commenting though!
The best places to get prices for used RVs online is rvtrader.com and rvt.com Just search nationwide to get a good feel for average prices across the country.
Im looking for a big class c , but there are a lot better floor plans than winnebago offers. I would like a winnebago because they are made in Iowa. But need more room.
There are other Class C RV brands that I can recommend besides the ones in this video. If you would like to see the whole list, just download my guidebook at payhip.com/b/2hzk3
I couldn't mention all of the brands that I recommend for quality build and customer service in a video that only features 3 manufacturers. But Lazy Daze is definitely on my best brands list found in my Class C buying guide here - payhip.com/b/WCwf7
Thor makes quite a few Class C RVs. So I am aware of their offerings. But I don't feel that they qualify to be in the top 3 used Class Cs on my list for this video. Thanks for watching and asking though.
Actually the chassis for both the Mercedes Sprinter and the Ford Transit are great for smaller RVs. Each has its own strengths that appeal to certain people.
A 22 ft. RV is great for being really nimble to drive. But it's also a little short on living and storage space. I recommend test driving one or renting one that length to see how it fits for you.
You said the small ones were 25-26 feet. I'm looking for a 19-24 foot Type C. Do you have a video on those? Weirdly, UA-cam search on channels is not great
@@RVInspectionAndCare I am also looking for sub 24 feet. Phoenix Cruiser makes one model on the Ford 450 chassis that seems much roomier than any Sprinter. The Phoenix Cruiser I have walked through seemed very nice, although expensive.
Hi Carl. It's hard to provide a life span for RVs because a lot depends on how well they are maintained. If someone really cares for an RV, there is no reason that they couldn't last for many decades. On the other hand, I have seen 5 year old RVs that are pretty much trash because the owners did absolutely nothing to care for it. That's why I highly recommend that you ask for maintenance records whenever you buy a used RV. If the records show that lots of loving care has gone into the RV, it may be a good candidate for consideration. Of course, if you buy the RV new, you have the chance to maintain it like it really requires and get a long lifespan as a result.
@@RVInspectionAndCare I used a similar philosophy when buying used Toyotas - do they have maintenance records - are there a lot of receipts in a binder or did they (I did) put what work I did inside the drivers manual indicating mileage and kind of work performed by me. If it takes up the front/back of manual - it's a no brainer. If you open up the engine case or saw no pics of engine case on a website - if it's dirty keep on moving.
I would like to see more pickup truck platforms as opposed to vans even for a small class c. A 4x4 Ram 3500 or 4500 would do it for me. I guess the van front end costs less.
Was really surprised by your used Class C recommendations. I've been a long standing member of the RV Consumer group and their ratings don't match with yours. Thor, Tiffin and Winnebago all get pretty low scores for quality of build. You also did not mention Leisure Travel Vans out of Canada. Oddly enough they score higher than all the other class B+ or small Class C US made coaches. If it is built in the Elkhart Indiana area we won't buy it new or used.
Rating RV quality is a subjective endeavor, so my viewpoint may not always match the way that others see things. As for why RV Consumer Group came to the conclusion they did, I really don't know. I actually agree about with them about Thor these days. But I can't understand giving Tiffin or Winnebago low scores for quality. Both of those companies have excellent reputations for quality among both the industry itself and consumers. As for Leisure Travel, I don't consider that their products are Class C RVs. I put them in the Class B+ category since they are built on a van chassis and therefore fall in between a Class B and a normal Class C RV. And yes, I highly recommend Leisure Travel for build quality.
There are other Sprinter based RVs that I can recommend too. But I agree that finding a good used Class C with low miles and made by a quality brand is a challenge these days.
@@racingfortheson If you are looking for a Class C RV built on a Ford chassis, I have listed all of the brands that I recommend here - payhip.com/b/2hzk3 I hope that helps.
Just retired in 2019. Spent 50 years of my life repairing European automobiles. 35 years owning my own shop. Mercedes was one of the best constructed automobiles in the world. About 30 years ago they started going down hill quickly. Now the absolute worst. Their prices kept going up, but there quality has it rock bottom. I am now a full timer the last 5 years and would NEVER depend on an RV with a Mercedes chassis. Seriously.
I’ve been looking for an Entegra Odyssey or Esteem but haven’t found one in my price range yet! I’ve also looked at some nice Coachman Leprechauns, Forest River Sunseekers, a Holiday Rambler Vesta and Thor Four Winds but I don’t know much about their quality or reliability!
I would highly recommend an Entegra Class C for purchase. There are other new Class Cs that I can also recommend. You can find those recommendations in my guidebook here - payhip.com/b/WCwf7 There are some very good ones that you are overlooking.
We have had two different Thor Class C's and the build quality was dismal. Too bad because their designs are innovative and appealing, but the poor craftsmanship and mediocre after sale warranty support really upset me. I wanted to like them and keep them but got rid of both, shame on me.
Love your videos. DO you have any recommendations on what the maximum mileage on a used RV is? And could you do a video on common issues to expect when buying a used RV?
Thanks for supporting the channel. It's much appreciated! It's hard to make a call on what is too much mileage for a motorhome. Of course, diesel engines generally last much longer than gassers. I recommend that you perform a fluid analysis on any used motorhome that you are seriously considering and see what the engine oil says about the condition of the engine. To me, that is more reliable than just using a mileage number. I hope that helps. And thanks for the video suggestion too. It's on my list!
It was one of the best for sure. But the company shut their doors in 2015 and has not reappeared as far as I know. But if you find a good used one, it may be a great buy!
There is absolutely no clear evidence that Thor's ownership has had any negative effect on Tiffin at all. Instead, Thor bought Tiffin in December of 2020 while the Covid pandemic was already affecting not only Tiffin, but every other RV manufacturer in the industry negatively due to workforce shortages and major supply chain issues. So yes, Tiffin struggled with quality and consistency during that period just like many other RV builders did. But they have begun to rebound now and their products are heading in the right direction again like most of the rest of the industry.
@@RVInspectionAndCare @RVInspectionAndCare That's good. I can't say that has been my experience with my little 2023 and the many, many people I met in Red Bay all those times I went back for service with the long list of things QC should have caught. That being said, Tiffin has outstanding factory service in Red Bay. Just that is almost worth buying one again.
I have owned 3 C class RV’s 2 we’re 2001 and 2005 Lazy Daze. The third was a 1995 Born Free. No slides excellent build with only quality materials. Holds value and both have cult followers.
Both Born Free and Lazy Daze made very good products. Unfortunately, neither brand is around any longer.
Two years ago I purchased a 2005 Lazy Daze. I love it!! The manufacturer closed last year but parts are not hard to find. Great vehicle!
You are so right. Lazy Daze built a great RV. I'm sorry to see them leave the industry.
I grew up camping in a Lazy Daze and with the family who built them. Best built RV ever in my book. Sad they shut down. Truly the end of an era.
Picked up a Coachman Cross Trail this last June. 21’ no slides. Brother and I are traveling in it until next May. No issues other than 2 lights not working due to a blown fuse and had the tanks cleaned professionally. Nice size for 2 and the Transit chassis is solid on the road. Look into this if looking into a class C. Oh and mileage when we bought it from a private party, 2345 miles.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Have safe and happy travels!
I love all of your videos, thank you for helping us out. I really wanted a Mercedes chassis 24' class C but was not willing to pay 90K for a used model. I found a 2017 Thor 22B E450, original owner, garage kept, 24 hours on the generator, babied and well maintained with only 5800 miles on her. It literally looks brand new, and everything works as new. The owners told me that from new they had no issues at all. When I bought it last year the only two minor problems I could find were, one igniter on the stove did not work and the black tank was reading 3/4 full constantly. I replaced the burner wire and installed a tornado flush nozzle in the black tank, end of both issues. I only paid $50k and could not be more pleased with this RV. Did I just get lucky because I see Thor takes a beating for build quality? I have been all over this coach and can't find a single flaw anywhere. She runs like new and the living space is as well.
Hi Randall. It sounds like you found a great RV for your needs. It's true that Thor has their issues with overall quality. Mainly with maintaining consistency with the products they produce. But you may have found a really good one and that's a great thing. I hope you enjoy it and have lots of fun adventures in it!
Thank you so much for all that you do for us in RV land. Take care and Merry Christmas to you and yours.@@RVInspectionAndCare
We purchased an Entegra Odyssey 30z. We absolutely love it. The RV is well-made, easy to drive, and comfortable to stay in. My RV is a 2022 and so far little to no issues. I love the one piece fiberglass roof appearance and the very few seams. The AC units, leveling system, and entertainment systems are excellent. I would purchase this unit again.
That's a fabulous rig. And I'm glad to hear that it's working out so well for you. Thanks for sharing your experience with us!
Me and the wife are starting to look at class c RVs to live in full time. We could easily save thousands per month by simplifying our lifestyle. Thanks
That's awesome. I hope you find the perfect RV for your needs. Thanks for watching!
I’m also searching for a Class C to live in full time!
I love your channel! I really value your information since you’re in the business of inspecting RVs. I’m looking to buy a used Diesel Class A motorhome & decided on the diesel from watching several of your other videos! So thanks for taking the time to make all these videos! I’m sure more people than u know appreciate it:)
Hi Tammy. It's always nice to hear that my videos have been helpful and are appreciated. That inspires me to continue making more. Thanks so much for the positive feedback!
I am SO GLAD that I watched this video. I am waiting to purchase a Used RV and one that you mentioned too! ☺
I'm glad the video was helpful. I hope the RV you are buying will be perfect for you!
@@RVInspectionAndCare I have a good feeling that it shall; God willing! ☺
Thanks for this video! This is exactly what I needed for my search for an RV. I often think about getting a used RV instead of a new one. For some of the same reasons you stated. Like the price would be the true value of an RV. Now I'm now armed with the knowledge of what to look for and get the best bang for my buck.
So glad that you enjoyed the video and it was helpful. And thanks for leaving some positive feedback too!
I would not own a Mercedes under any circumstance. More expensive to maintain and the owners I talked to had issues with them. The various mobile mechanics I've used don't like them either. I like the E-450 chasis. They are used for the people moving buses the national parks use and the run and run and run. Affordable to repair.
Thanks for your thoughts on the subject here. Safe and happy travels!
I'm a Winnebago guy, but i want a class c with W/D option under 30 ft for state parks. That leaves Coachman Leprechaun 298QB.
Positives:
W/D option, Azdel sides, slide covers, 12v frig, King bed, J lounge that converts to U, nice amt of internal storage, reasonable price
Negatives:
Accordion blinds, not much external storage or covered connections, Lippert main slide, not using slam latches on ext storage, can't use King bed with slide in.
I like the Winn Vista class a (29V) but no W/D and wood furnishings appear to me to be same as my 30K TT, I'd expect better in a 200K camper. The outdoor kitchen is nice but W/D a must.
My concern is Coachman reviews I've read, but Leprechaun seems to get better reviews recently.
All I can say is that Winnebago is usually a much better built coach than Coachmen Class Cs. I hope you find what you are looking for.
2024 Nexus Triumph 29T has W/D prep, and is < 30'
Jayco also makes a wonderful 29D (model i own) traveled thru 21 States last summer in it and covered 11,500 miles in 4 months.It’s a 2007 Melbourne . Nothing but good things to rave about.
Thanks for sharing your positive experience with Jayco Class Cs!
Love my 06 Gulfstream,great rig ,have been upgrading and maintaining getting ready for the next road trip in two weeks.RV life is good !!!
I hope you have a great trip. Have safe and happy travels!
I’m a Winnebago fan, having owned two. Very trouble free for me.
But I’m going away from my Winnebago class A gasser back to a class C. This time an ENTEGRA class C.
I wanted to be more nimble again and the particular Entegra model fit our needs.
Thank you for your videos.
I think you'll enjoy the Entegra too Anthony. And I hope you will be able to make lots of happy RVing memories in it!
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Thank you Duane. For the past couple of months we’ve been looking for the right used class C but have been very disappointed in the condition of them. Disappointed in how people don’t maintain them as we know they should be, disappointed in how some dealers in Arizona but zero effort into checking and cleaning them up. As you said, used often means the factory missteps have been corrected. But, with the new marked as it is we think we’ve worked out a deal on a 2025 model for a few thousand more than a two year old unit.
Now we need an inspector in the Phoenix area. I’m good but I may miss things.
Thank you for your videos.
@@anthonyb2334 It's so true that most RV owners do not maintain them like they should and dealers often don't prep or PDI their used RVs much either. And that's why RV inspection is so critical if you want to make sure you know the true condition of any RV you are considering for purchase. I'm glad you have already made the decision to use an RV inspector Anthony. It's money well spent!
I would add the Forest River Sunseeker / Forester (sister brands) for large - small C's.
Thanks for your input Chimp. And thanks for watching!
Ditto on the Sunseeker. We started with a Minnie Winnie but traded into a Sunseeker so we could more easily pull a tow vehicle. I didn’t like that the Minnie Winnie didn’t have a back window either. 🤷♀️
We had a Chateau 29' 20 years ago and I mostly liked it. The quality was okay enough, and as I was mechanically proficient it was livable. Thor, from my recollection had a mixed reputation so I was pleased we didn't get a lemon off the line.
We took it from every corner of the continent, across Canada and the USA a handful of times and it had no problems, except that E350 chassis' V8 was utterly anemic at altitude driving.
Would I buy a used Class C of that ilk? Probably not, unless it was an incredible deal. Otherwise, I'm happy to take in your quality recommendations.
However, I wonder about Mercedes chassis: Is their maintenance, repair, and parts not only higher cost but more sporadic? I'm not the biggest fan of Ford and their practices but there is no doubt I could get a part or service any where in North America. We had a Class A on a VW Diesel chassis in the past and it was a nightmare when it started to develop mechanical problems.
I wish I could recommend Thor because they put out a lot of RVs in various classes. But I can't put them on any list of the best quality manufacturers at this point. Of course, that doesn't mean that you can't get a good RV from them. I know several folks who have Thor products and are happy with them. But there are other brands that are more consistently better in construction and customer service for the time being. I hope that may change in the future. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts and experiences with us!
@@RVInspectionAndCare Right on!
As I grow older, I only become fonder for consistent, and reliable quality.
I'm really enjoying the content and going back to watch way more. I'm seriously thinking of returning to the RV party after a long break.
Boy am I glad guys like you and the NRVIA exists! Thank you for your content! I suspect we'll be purchasing your e-books soon.
@@ALAPINO Awesome! I'm glad that you are enjoying the videos on my channel. RVing is a lot of fun so I hope you "join the party" again soon!
@@RVInspectionAndCare Yes, sir!
Great info thanks/// first timer and researching Class Cs🫡
I'm glad you enjoyed it Zachariah. Thanks for watching!
What do think of Lesuire Travel Vans. Unity model.
Leisure Travel is on my recommended list. Thanks for watching!
I just bought a used 30' Four Winds 5000 which is in almost showroom condition with only 46k on it. It's actually on a Chevy chassis and has the BBC 454 in it. Got it for 12k! Generator only has 112 hour on it as well!
I hope you have lots of great adventures in your Class C RV.
Any RV based on the Mercedes Sprinter chassis is going to be expensive to maintain, and dealer service not as available as Ford, Chevy, or Ram. The diesel engine has less power overall, and diesel engines in general cost more to maintain because of all the required emissions equipment. Also the towing capacity is less, in fact you may be close to Max GVW when you load it with water, propane, and your personal effects. Tiffin Wayfarers in particular are heavy.
There are pluses for choosing a Sprinter chassis as well and lots of happy users too. So I lay out both the good and bad of these RVs in this video - ua-cam.com/video/SeroO5ALniU/v-deo.html But truthfully, I don't consider them or any van based chassis RV a true Class C. There is no clear definition for these size RVs, but I feel that they belong in the Class B+ category.
Very informative. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful Sandra. Thanks for leaving a nice comment about the video!
We love our Coachman 2015 Concord Class C. Bought used in 2020
I'm glad you have had a good experience with your Coachmen Class C Dana. And thanks for watching the video!
We own an Entegra Odyssey 25R and so far so good!
That's a great RV Joseph. Enjoy your traveling adventures in it!
first tip stay away from all slides . no heat producing exhaust on passenger side most important stay away from diesel the cost of fuel and maintenance is insane if you look online at used class c the lost are full of diesels because people are not buying them . the ford transit rv are taking over the market with the v6 awd 1 ton best deal and best rv out there and can be serviced at most ford dealers . a diesel has to be maintained by a diesel mechanic and the price is way to high .the cost of fuel and def requirements come on diesel is on the way out
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the subject here.
I think you're being too dogmatic. Slides really make an rv a home. Also, diesel engines have benefits over gas. Both of the above come with drawbacks, however as long as a person understands the cons, well, it's their choice.
Turbocharged v6 is junk most of the time and nobody really follows the maintenance guidelines for them.
A 3000 dollar or more part to repair that can't be fixed solo.
Good morning Ken, are there any hybrid engines models?
Sprinter vans are too claustrophobic. I have to have some slides because we travel with three large dogs. A sprinter van without slides would never work.
Very very helpful video. Thanks…I am just starting my journey on my first RV buying experience.
I'm glad this video was helpful for you. Thanks for leaving such positive feedback!
Well, I have the remote job but I couldn't afford something five years to new. Any chance have you done any reviews for purchasing older models? I'm a very simple person - just me!
Hi Kelly. I haven't made a used Class C video that goes back more than about 5 years so far. But I have created a guidebook that goes back to 2007. You can find it here - payhip.com/b/2hzk3 I'm glad that you mentioned this subject though as I can see that a video needs to be made about it. Thanks for watching!
i have a used Tiffen ,class C 25ft, i dont know how to turn the back (twin) into King size
Sorry but that's a project that I can't help you with. It sounds like you need an experienced RV converter like those that convert vans into RVs to help you out with that.
Omg! So glad I found you... I am going to be in the market next week.
That's awesome Theresa! Thanks for watching and commenting!
Thank for the information, my wife and i are planning on buying a rv., any tips on security/safety, solar accessories?
I haven't created much content on those subjects so far. But there is well over 200 videos on my channel that covers a lot of RVing topics that would be good to know.
I just bought a 2019 Tiffin Wayfarer/ Diesel / class C. 15,000 I just bought it on yesterday, but looking for a video for the year 2019
Tiffin makes a great RV Dee-Dee. And buying an RV that is before the Covid pandemic is probably a good idea too. Enjoy your new RV and the places it takes you!
What is your opinion on the the super class-C Rams 5500 Dynamax Isata 28SS, 30FW, and 36DS who build the RV box.
Dynamax is on my recommended list of Super C brands. Thanks for watching!
Nice podcast!
I'm glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for listening!
Few questions , Wife and myself are in our 70 ies , RV never appealed too us , but we need too get out and do some travel , She has medical issues and air & cruise line travel she always gets sick days afterwards , I have been looking at market place adds from local sellers , I am a boater , RV is the same as a boat , trying too stay within the 20 grand and less figure , We might not like it ,Majority viewed are 20 years old , Dated inside , All were the F 450 V 10 engines , Few that I looked at all had low milage , 30 - 50 thousand , 25 feet seems best for two , Can park home , Another question I have is towing of a boat , On the rare occasion I might take my 22 ft fishing boat , weight is 4500 lbs, F 450 can tow . Used too own 26 ft box trucks , Well aware of no vision backing up too a ramp , but my concern is distance from rear wheels too trailer hitch , pulling boat at ramp , will bottom of rv bottom out ? Ideas and thoughts is appreciated
Sorry Alan but I can’t say for sure whether the back end on the RV might bottom out at some boat ramps. But it’s definitely less likely on a 25 foot rig as opposed to a 30 footer. All the best to you in your new adventures!
I’ve had good luck with the Thor Chateau.😂
Glad to hear it Diane. Thanks for watching!
I've been shopping the Winnebago 'EKKO' but heard quite a few complaints about them. Of course oft mentioned complaints were the alternator (?) problem and the fuel line to the Generator.....I'm looking for a 1-2 year old well maintained RV.
Unfortunately, you have to take many online reviews with a grain of salt. In my opinion, Winnebago builds a very good product overall.
Hi Duane, amazing video. How about the Used 2003 Fleetwood Jamboree, what should I be checking prior to purchasing?
Hi Sean. Yes, older Fleetwood Jamborees are on my recommended list. But one that far back will definitely require a thorough RV inspection to make sure that it is worthy of consideration. I explain how to perform a personal pre-inspection on older RVs like that in my guidebook on buying used RVs. You can find and download it here - payhip.com/b/cPLl I hope that helps.
I would like to hear your comments on LTV (Leaser Travel ) , thanks
Oups Leisure Travel , correction
Leisure Travel is one of my favorite Class B or B+ RVs. They are definitely on my recommended list. Thanks for watching!
I noticed all of your choices were RVs produced with Azdel (luan wood free) siding. Did that play any part in your choices? Thanks
Just because an RV has Azdel in the sidewall construction does not guarantee that luan is not used in the ceiling or floor. There are very few RV's made that could be considered truly "luan-free". But Azdel does not figure in my determination of whether an RV is quality made or not. And I explained my reasoning about the subject in this video - ua-cam.com/video/xplQPhKFwnk/v-deo.html
I visited America cruise rv in Carson calif 90745... And was so excited
That's great Theresa.
2021 freelander 24fs - buying used with 24k miles. Looks clean but wondering your thoughts ??
Coachmen is not on my Class C recommended list of brands. But that doesn't mean that you can't get a good RV from Coachmen. It just means that there are usually better brands to choose from in a similar price range that put the odds on your side that you will be happy with your RV for a long time. I hope that helps.
@RVInspectionAndCare oh wow thanks for reply. Soooo one more. We are headed right now to look at a 2020 Winnebago Vita 24p- 22k miles - $86k. Thoughts on that one? Promise- last one
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@@Melissa-mz3qu Winnebago is on my recommended list for small Class C RVs. Just be sure to check the cargo carrying capacity to make sure that it meets your needs. These smaller Class Cs are often lacking in that area.
@@RVInspectionAndCare awesome. Thanks so much for the feedback
Okay but I want to know quality criteria you are talking about when comparing two models and makes on the same F450 chassis.
Actually this video is not about making a head-to-head comparison of makes and models. I'm just listing a few of the brands and models that are a cut above their competition in terms of quality construction methods, customer service after the sale and resale value.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge. How may we reach you if we have additional questions? Looking forward to joining RV life.
You can contact me online here - rvinspectionandcare.com/contact-me/ Thanks for watching!
I wish you would've spoken on smaller non Mercedes versions.
I have some videos coming on that subject. So stay tuned. Thanks for watching!
Great info I’m in the process of getting a 2006 Winnebago Cambria 26a, your thoughts on it, that has been in storage for 10+ years, less than 2K original miles. RVing is new to me. Should I be concerned about the age and non-use. Seems to be in great shape although going to spend quite a bit to get it back in shape. Got it for hardly nothing. Thanks for any advice you may have.
Winnebago built some very good RVs in those years. But I would concerned about the age and non-use. RVs are meant to be used and they actually benefit from regular usage. So I recommend that you be careful with the engine and drivetrain especially. Maybe have a reputable mechanic that you trust look it over thoroughly for you. And make sure that you have a certified RV inspector go through the RV part too and see if any major issues come to light or not. I hope it turns out to be the gem that you are looking for.
Some come on a Chevy 4500 or a Mercedes. No thoughts?
The vast majority of Class C RVs these days are built on a Ford E350 or E450 chassis. And the RVs built on a Mercedes chassis are not true Class C RVs in my opinion. They are being recognized these days as Class B+ RVs.
Thank you for great information!!!
Glad it was helpful Mary. Thank you for watching and for leaving such a nice comment!
In 2018 I found a used 24 Ft Forrest River Sunseeker on a Mercedes sprinter chaise with 11000 miles . It has been a wonderful RV
That's great to hear Sherrie. I'm glad that you found an RV that you really love!
How about those used coachman rv that are sold by el monte rental sales? where is the best place to look for used rvs?
Coachmen is not a brand that is on my recommended list but that doesn't mean that you can't get a RV made by that brand. Just be sure to get it inspected thoroughly before buying to know what kind of shape it's in. And you can find good used RVs at lots of places online like RVTrader.com, RVT.com Ebay, and on Facebook groups where RV sellers post their rigs for sale. I hope that helps.
I want a class C under 30ft but no slides (and NO Mercedes) only sleep 4max
Is this a unicorn?
You might try looking at Cruise America Class C RVs that are sold after being in service as rentals. They are smaller RVs that have no slides.
Hi have you reviewed any Canadian brands? Like ALP Adventurer?
I try to review any brand that is sold in the US no matter where it comes from. But some brands produce so few units in a year that I just can't personally review them. Or they just don't have much of a presence in the US market. And I suspect that's the issue with the ALP Adventurer.
Duane as always you put together another top video. Changed fertilizer on the dollar tree and I think it is helping Lol. PEACE SAFE TRAVELS
Thanks Ron. I hope one day I see you in a Newmar Superstar! :-)
Great work. My wife and I (in our 70’s) would like to buy a good quality used class B+, gasser, with a rear sleeping arrangement. She sleeps in and I’m up very early. I prefer not to wait outside for her to wake up. Might you have a recommendation for us or a guide we could purchase with a ranked list? Just naming two or three models/years would be a tremendous help. Thank you.
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Hi Tom. You specified a gas engine for a Class B plus RV and that limits the offerings somewhat as so many manufacturers like to use the Mercedes Sprinter chassis with the diesel engine instead. But here are a couple of B plus brands and models that I could recommend - the Winnebago Ekko on the Ford Transit chassis and the Leisure Travel Wonder on the Transit chassis. Both of those are great brands that make a quality RV. So any gas powered used Class B plus made by those brands would be a good choice. I hope that helps.
@@RVInspectionAndCare Thank you for the recommendations. I’ll start looking.
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I had a Mercedes chassis and I hated it because you’re only allowed to use B5 or less biodiesel. ( otherwise, you can ruin your engine and void your warranty ). I wound up in Oklahoma driving from gas station to gas station trying to find bio diesel or diesel that I could put in my Mercedes chassis and don’t try calling ahead to ask what the station has because the person answering the phone has no idea what you were talking about. And dealers don’t know that there’s a specification about it even though it’s written on the inlet to the diesel tank and it’s in the owners manual. I called Mercedes to see if there was a workaround. They informed me that there was not, and that they don’t manufacture their products based on what the US does with their diesel. Very bad customer service.
There are definitely cons to having a Mercedes Sprinter chassis RV and you mentioned some of them. But a lot of RV owners with that chassis still love them for their positive aspects. They remain very popular.
Thanks 😊
Mercedes-Benz afirmar que não é possível usar diesel de qualidade inferior em seus motores, mantendo assim o alto nível de qualidade da marca alemã não é atendimento ruim ao cliente, muito pelo contrário. Não é a toa que sua van é a melhor que existe atualmente no mercado mundial, seja para motorhome, transporte de passageiros ou mercadorias, os seus caminhões são altamente confiáveis e duráveis e os seus carros de luxo são os escolhidos para transportar membros de diversas realezas em todo o mundo.
I wanted to comment on this before. I think you have the same RV that I have. A Scottsdale by Newmar. The same interior. I enjoy your videos. I originally wanted a class C but I didn't like the over hangs. Do you have any suggestions for class C without that overhang.
It is a Newmar, but our rig is a Kountry Star. But A lot of Newmars looked alike on the inside during that time period though. Unfortunately, the front overhang is what often defines a Class C. It's a way of maximizing sleeping space. You might find that a Class B+ or a Class A might fit what you're looking for better. There are smaller Class As that might do the trick for you. And B+'s are built on van chassis frames but they more similar to a Class C than a Class B. I hope that is helpful Charmae.
@@RVInspectionAndCare Thank you.
What are your thoughts on Leprechaun, I think they are made by Coachman but not sure. I think it was a 311DS. I will look at the Tiffin as I didn't know they made Class C's, love the looks of their A's. Thanks.
I am not a big fan of Coachmen products in general if we are just talking about quality construction and customer service. The Class C segment of the RV industry is filled with manufacturers who use sub-par building materials and methods, and whose customer service needs improvement. The brands that I mentioned in this video and in my Class C buying guidebook would be a much better choice in most cases.
@@RVInspectionAndCare thank you very much for the reply. I was also looking at a Minnie Winnie, 31K I think, so I will look closer at that. Thanks again, oh and I am a new subscriber!
@@mikemills5144 The Minnie Winnie would be a much better choice Mike. And thanks for subbing!
Currently looking at some Class C rv’s but my budget is only 30k. What are some good 2007-2012 models?
I created a guidebook that lists my recommendations for Class C brands all the way back to 2007. You can download it here if you like - payhip.com/b/2hzk3
I own a new 2011 ... Mercedes E class diesel. I asked the salesman how much was an oil change and he said $150😂... I thought ok I can do that... First oil change $150. Second oil change $250 Third oil change $600... There's a reason why you are unlikely to see a Mercedes on a tow truck. HIGH MAINTENANCE! HIGH LABOR RATES. A Mercedes isn't for a penney pincher... I had my Mercedes for 10 years- great gas mileage and trouble free... You pay for what you get.
Thanks for sharing your experience here and thanks for watching the video!
How often were those oil changes, if you don't mind me asking? Typical 3000 mi.?
Every 7000 miles.
the tiffen 19ft tm was any good???
The Tiffin Wayfarer's overall build quality is just fine. But take s close look at the cargo carrying capacity as that has been an issue for some.
My hopes are to find a 2020 Jayco greyhawk 27U. What do you think?
Class Cs are in high demand right now it seems. And Jayco builds a pretty good one for the money. It may take some patience to find the one you want but stay diligent and you'll probably find it eventually. Thanks for watching and commenting Pam!
How do you feel about Jayco and Forest River in Class C. I'm an RV Newbie
Jayco is on my recommended list but Forest River is not at this time. If you want to find out about all of the Class C and Super C motorhome brands that I recommend, you can download my guidebook on that subject here - payhip.com/b/2hzk3
What about a forest river forester?
I'm sorry but they are not on my recommended list. Safe and happy travels to you!
Always enjoy good RV content. We get over 16 mpg in our Gulf Stream Vista Cruiser Mini with the 2006 T1N Mercedes chassis.
Very nice Robert! The Class Cs on a Mercedes chassis get pretty good fuel mileage for an RV. And that's going to be a real advantage this summer when fuel prices are sky high!
Same here, but I have the mini C Winnebago View on T1N chassis. 17mpg as well. Tons of channels on how to work on the engine, or find yourself a T1N mechanic.
What is the price rage for a 22’ to 24’ mini Winnie..?
I find that the easiest way to to find real world starting prices is to look on RVTrader.com and make a nationwide search. Then throw out the high end and low end prices and use the median price range as a starting point for negotiation. I hope that helps!
What about a SUPER C? Can you do a segment on thoes?
I'll see what I can do. Thanks for the suggestion!
Tiffin Wayfarer has dangerously low OCCC, did you consider that in your recommendation?
Yes Richard. Tiffin is known for lower CCC in some models. As long as you know that going in and store your cargo accordingly, it doesn't change the fact that the Wayfarer is an exceptionally well built small Class C.
@@RVInspectionAndCare two big adults and a full water tank and you are leaving a thin margin. Add a full size dog and some clothing and you are close to maximum. I suspect many Tiffin owners never weigh their loaded rig as the answer might be painful.
@@arisdaddy2001 Actually, my research says that the Wayfarer is rated for 1150 pounds of CCC. While that isn't as much as some other brand models, it's ample enough if you are careful with loading your rig. And once again Richard, that still doesn't change the fact that the Wayfarer is a popular and well built RV, made by a high quality manufacturer with exceptional customer service.
Considering a Class C Thor/Majestic from Cruise America. Any thoughts ?
Hi Les. I am not a big fan of Thor products in many cases. I just feel that there are better brands out there to choose in the same price range. And RVs that come out of rental service have often been used hard. Of course, that doesn't mean that you can't get a good one. But I think there are better choices to be had. Just being honest ...
I want a small one also
They come in all sizes, so I'm sure you can find a small that fits your needs.
Sir thank you for the information.
Do you have a platform where I can write you?
Sure Callie. You can contact me here - rvinspectionandcare.com/contact-me/ I'll look forward to hearing from you.
Thank you ! Do u have any info for Class B 's ?
Not yet. But stay tuned. I will be putting out a video on my Class B brand recommendations soon.
I am looking at a 2021 freedom elite 30fe but haven't been able to find many reviews. What scares me most is that it was made during the pandemic and I know QC took a dive during that time period.
Hi Julian. I am not a big fan of Thor products. I feel that you can get a better coach for about the same money from a builder that pays more attention to quality and customer service.
@@RVInspectionAndCare thanks for the quick response.
Do typical TV dealers trade Jeeps for an RV? I'm In St. Louis, going to start looking around for a class c. Then sell my house and live out west with my dogs. I just need direction as to where to go to buy, erc.
It's hard to say about whether a dealer will accept a Jeep trade-in on an RV or not Ron. You can surely try though.
We are planning on retiring in a couple of years, selling our house and getting a Class C to travel for a few years while we still can. With a Class C is it easy to come and go in your motor home when your in a campsite for a week or so? We know nothing about set up/take down (yet!) so we’re wondering what you do when you want to go see the sights or make a grocery run.
Hi Julie. If you buy a smaller Class C RV, it can very useful not only for travel and camping but can also be used as an around-town vehicle too. But you will have to disconnect all hook-ups before leaving and reconnect them when you return. Of course, as the RV gets longer it gets more difficult to use for errands and short trips. In that case, many RVers tow another vehicle behind the Class C RV, either on a tow dolly or with all four wheels on the ground. I hope that helps.
@@RVInspectionAndCare Thanks for the info. We already know we don’t want to tow a vehicle and we’re not looking for a huge motor home with it just being the two of us. So glad we found your YT channel, we have so much to learn in the next couple of years and your videos are great.
Leisure Travel Vans, Manitoba Canada
Unfortunately, I have become extremely suspicious of any rig manufactured in Indiana.
LTV is on my recommended list of manufacturers. But as long as your expectations aren't too high, there are some good Class C builders in the states too. Don't believe all the negativity out there.
@@RVInspectionAndCare I watched this video before and just wanted to remind myself of your recommended models. That’s when I started looking more at the Entegra coaches. I like the Minnie Winnie, but they seem to love sticking the kitchen in a corner of a slide out leaving very limited counter space and I love cooking. Also not fond of the main TV being mounted on a long arm mounted in the front bunk.
Thanks for the recommendations. 👍👍
@@genxskeptic5816 Sometimes it's a challenge to find the floor plan you want from a good brand. Also, I wonder who designs these interiors too. Especially the TV. A lot of floor plans have the TV in an area that is not easily viewed from any part of the room without turning your head in an uncomfortable way. Oh well, that's my rant for today. 😀
Does the 31ft Minnie Winnie have W/D hookup? Thanks
As far as I can tell the Minnie Winnie doesn't have a washer/dryer hookup in any of their models Ed. Most likely there is just not enough room for it.
Ok we are looking at a 31ft and are considering taking out the bottom bunk and add stackable w/d and small desk/work area. Thanks for responding and enjoy the content.
What do you think about the tiffyn Wayfarer cargo capacity problem. With nothing extra you only can carry 100 pound.
A lot of Class B+ RVs have a smallish cargo capacity issue. But since there is no problem with them towing a trailer behind the RV, that allows for plenty of cargo storage in the trailer. And the RVs are small enough that you don't need another vehicle for short trips around town or errands anyway.
But it is true that if you pass the load capacity it's a safty and security low issue to travel. Also bad for the structure. I love the tiffin wayfare its beautiful. But, not we are talking about the pull another car. Is the cargo of passenger think that you need to add for dayly normal journey. How much weight can I add if in the door yellow stickers said 96Lb
@@javiergonzalez6920 Like I said, if you don't have much cargo capacity in the RV itself, just tow a trailer that can carry the items you want to take with you instead. A lot of Class B+ RVers do this to resolve the low cargo capacity issue.
What about Leisure Travel RVs?
Hi Edward. I know that many people would consider that Leisure Travel makes a Class C RV. But both the Wonder and the Unity models are built on either a Mercedes or Transit chassis. And to me that makes them a Class B+ RV, not a Class C, which is what this video was about. But the good news is that Leisure Travel is on my recommended list of Class B+ RVs. Thanks for watching and commenting though!
How much it would cost winnebago used and low mileage class c?
The best places to get prices for used RVs online is rvtrader.com and rvt.com Just search nationwide to get a good feel for average prices across the country.
Im looking for a big class c , but there are a lot better floor plans than winnebago offers. I would like a winnebago because they are made in Iowa. But need more room.
There are other Class C RV brands that I can recommend besides the ones in this video. If you would like to see the whole list, just download my guidebook at payhip.com/b/2hzk3
Thank you!!
I'm so glad that this video was helpful. Thanks for watching!
I am surprised that you did not mention "Lazy Daze" RV?
I couldn't mention all of the brands that I recommend for quality build and customer service in a video that only features 3 manufacturers. But Lazy Daze is definitely on my best brands list found in my Class C buying guide here - payhip.com/b/WCwf7
Have you considered the Thor Majestic, as sold by Cruise America?
Thor makes quite a few Class C RVs. So I am aware of their offerings. But I don't feel that they qualify to be in the top 3 used Class Cs on my list for this video. Thanks for watching and asking though.
CCC is just too low on the Mercedes chassis. We have the Coachmen Orion, on a ford transit chassis. Also really like the Winnebago Fuse.
Actually the chassis for both the Mercedes Sprinter and the Ford Transit are great for smaller RVs. Each has its own strengths that appeal to certain people.
@@RVInspectionAndCare I just don't think a CCC under 1000 lbs is acceptable, our transit is about 2200 lbs
Thank you.
You're welcome ... Thanks for watching!
Why no Supper C's. The regular Class C is smaller than we are looking for.
Hi Earl. Maybe this video will be helpful for you - ua-cam.com/video/wmIgS1-Yptw/v-deo.html
What about 22f rv for beginners
A 22 ft. RV is great for being really nimble to drive. But it's also a little short on living and storage space. I recommend test driving one or renting one that length to see how it fits for you.
You said the small ones were 25-26 feet. I'm looking for a 19-24 foot Type C. Do you have a video on those? Weirdly, UA-cam search on channels is not great
Not at this point. But its a good suggestion. I'll see what I can do about making a video about smaller Class Cs.
@@RVInspectionAndCare I am also looking for sub 24 feet. Phoenix Cruiser makes one model on the Ford 450 chassis that seems much roomier than any Sprinter. The Phoenix Cruiser I have walked through seemed very nice, although expensive.
@@chipsutcliffe7110 Hi Chip. Just FYI, Phoenix USA is one of the manufacturers that I recommend as a quality builder.
Hi?! A question about RVs is the lifespan of an RVs-basically I’m into the ford and Winnebago models? You have any input? ❤
Hi Carl. It's hard to provide a life span for RVs because a lot depends on how well they are maintained. If someone really cares for an RV, there is no reason that they couldn't last for many decades. On the other hand, I have seen 5 year old RVs that are pretty much trash because the owners did absolutely nothing to care for it. That's why I highly recommend that you ask for maintenance records whenever you buy a used RV. If the records show that lots of loving care has gone into the RV, it may be a good candidate for consideration. Of course, if you buy the RV new, you have the chance to maintain it like it really requires and get a long lifespan as a result.
@@RVInspectionAndCare Thank you! What is RV news? Who do you get it from?
@@carlalexander3123 Hi Carl. I'm not sure what you are asking about, but I think it might be this - www.rvnews.com/subscribe/
@@RVInspectionAndCare I used a similar philosophy when buying used Toyotas - do they have maintenance
records - are there a lot of receipts in a binder or did they (I did) put what work I did inside the drivers manual indicating mileage and kind of work performed by me. If it takes up the front/back of manual - it's a no brainer. If you open up the engine case or saw no pics of engine case on a website - if it's dirty keep on
moving.
I’ve heard great things about leisure travel vans
You are so right Steve. They build some great RVs.
I would like to see more pickup truck platforms as opposed to vans even for a small class c. A 4x4 Ram 3500 or 4500 would do it for me. I guess the van front end costs less.
Thanks for watching the video and sharing your thoughts on the matter here.
Was really surprised by your used Class C recommendations. I've been a long standing member of the RV Consumer group and their ratings don't match with yours. Thor, Tiffin and Winnebago all get pretty low scores for quality of build. You also did not mention Leisure Travel Vans out of Canada. Oddly enough they score higher than all the other class B+ or small Class C US made coaches. If it is built in the Elkhart Indiana area we won't buy it new or used.
Rating RV quality is a subjective endeavor, so my viewpoint may not always match the way that others see things. As for why RV Consumer Group came to the conclusion they did, I really don't know. I actually agree about with them about Thor these days. But I can't understand giving Tiffin or Winnebago low scores for quality. Both of those companies have excellent reputations for quality among both the industry itself and consumers. As for Leisure Travel, I don't consider that their products are Class C RVs. I put them in the Class B+ category since they are built on a van chassis and therefore fall in between a Class B and a normal Class C RV. And yes, I highly recommend Leisure Travel for build quality.
What is it about Elkhart ?
2019 Freedom Elite 24 FE
Well, that RV is not on my recommended list, but I'm glad it's working well for you. Thanks for watching!
Are the other makers for Sprinter based RV that much worse? I can find Fleetwood’s around $60k but those are all over $100k with more miles.
There are other Sprinter based RVs that I can recommend too. But I agree that finding a good used Class C with low miles and made by a quality brand is a challenge these days.
@@RVInspectionAndCare Any brands you recommend or recommend to stay away from?
@@racingfortheson If you are looking for a Class C RV built on a Ford chassis, I have listed all of the brands that I recommend here - payhip.com/b/2hzk3 I hope that helps.
What is your opinion on the East to West Entagra Class C
Unfortunately East to West is not on my recommended list. You can find my full list of recommended Class C RVs at payhip.com/b/HFc4P
Just retired in 2019. Spent 50 years of my life repairing European automobiles. 35 years owning my own shop. Mercedes was one of the best constructed automobiles in the world. About 30 years ago they started going down hill quickly. Now the absolute worst. Their prices kept going up, but there quality has it rock bottom. I am now a full timer the last 5 years and would NEVER depend on an RV with a
Mercedes chassis. Seriously.
Thanks for sharing your experience and thoughts with us.
Can you show the floor plan?
That would have to be a different video. Thanks for watching!
I’ve been looking for an Entegra Odyssey or Esteem but haven’t found one in my price range yet! I’ve also looked at some nice Coachman Leprechauns, Forest River Sunseekers, a Holiday Rambler Vesta and Thor Four Winds but I don’t know much about their quality or reliability!
I would highly recommend an Entegra Class C for purchase. There are other new Class Cs that I can also recommend. You can find those recommendations in my guidebook here - payhip.com/b/WCwf7 There are some very good ones that you are overlooking.
We have had two different Thor Class C's and the build quality was dismal. Too bad because their designs are innovative and appealing, but the poor craftsmanship and mediocre after sale warranty support really upset me. I wanted to like them and keep them but got rid of both, shame on me.
Love your videos. DO you have any recommendations on what the maximum mileage on a used RV is? And could you do a video on common issues to expect when buying a used RV?
Thanks for supporting the channel. It's much appreciated! It's hard to make a call on what is too much mileage for a motorhome. Of course, diesel engines generally last much longer than gassers. I recommend that you perform a fluid analysis on any used motorhome that you are seriously considering and see what the engine oil says about the condition of the engine. To me, that is more reliable than just using a mileage number. I hope that helps. And thanks for the video suggestion too. It's on my list!
Born Free seems like the best used class C or B.
It was one of the best for sure. But the company shut their doors in 2015 and has not reappeared as far as I know. But if you find a good used one, it may be a great buy!
Thank you very much
You are very welcome. Thanks for watching and commenting!
I'd be careful about getting a Tiffin, unless its built prior to COVID and their sale to Thor. I say this from personal experience.
There is absolutely no clear evidence that Thor's ownership has had any negative effect on Tiffin at all. Instead, Thor bought Tiffin in December of 2020 while the Covid pandemic was already affecting not only Tiffin, but every other RV manufacturer in the industry negatively due to workforce shortages and major supply chain issues. So yes, Tiffin struggled with quality and consistency during that period just like many other RV builders did. But they have begun to rebound now and their products are heading in the right direction again like most of the rest of the industry.
@@RVInspectionAndCare @RVInspectionAndCare That's good. I can't say that has been my experience with my little 2023 and the many, many people I met in Red Bay all those times I went back for service with the long list of things QC should have caught.
That being said, Tiffin has outstanding factory service in Red Bay. Just that is almost worth buying one again.