Destiny 2 - SHE RETURNS AS A GUARDIAN? Crow Is Already The New Hunter Vanguard

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  • This week's seasonal story brought with it sadness, but also many questions. When a character dies in the Destiny universe, our first thought is usually, can they be brought back to life as a Guardian? We pondered this with Cayde, Rasputin and many others. Today we do the same thing with our latest fallen hero. Alongside that, discuss the Hunter Vanguard and Crow’s change in emotion.
    “Destiny 2 Amanda Holiday Guardian”
    “Destiny 2 Crow”
    “Destiny 2 Crow Hunter Vanguard”
    “Destiny 2 Amanda Holiday Death”
    Thanks for watching!
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  • @EvazeOfficial
    @EvazeOfficial  Рік тому +108

    Today we further discuss this weeks seasonal story! Will the character whom sacrificed their own life return as a Guardian? Also we look at Crow's connections to his past life as Uldren and position as Hunter vanguard leader/agent. Enjoy!

    • @hardluckmk.52
      @hardluckmk.52 Рік тому +10

      “This just in, Bungie kills fan favorite and cayde’s best friend so that she can be brought back with zero memory of her past or cayde’s killer so that cayde’s killer, who died and lost his memory after being resurrected as well but regained all his memory, could bang her finally”

    • @caseydew6882
      @caseydew6882 Рік тому +1

      ​@@hardluckmk.52 it all makes sense now

    • @mystbadger8009
      @mystbadger8009 Рік тому +1

      Hey "puts on tinfoil hat" what if they killed off zavala and resurrect Amanda as the new titan vanguard

    • @nicomoreno5028
      @nicomoreno5028 Рік тому

      Amanda could never forgive Crow. If she's given new life as a guardian, they can start friendship anew.

    • @rowdy4life309
      @rowdy4life309 Рік тому

      Long shot. Amanda will be resurrected and become hunter vanguard

  • @Metacarius
    @Metacarius Рік тому +1029

    Not gonna lie... With Lance passing this last week, watching Zevala mourn at Amanda's ceremony was a kick in the feels.

    • @JujuManson
      @JujuManson Рік тому +23

      I thought exactly the same and it got me crying

    • @senatorarmstrong4662
      @senatorarmstrong4662 Рік тому +26

      We lost lance and Amanda in a month we really did lose in this expansion.

    • @adamboy0559
      @adamboy0559 Рік тому +12

      @@senatorarmstrong4662month? Isn’t it in the same week?

    • @wwalkerofthesky
      @wwalkerofthesky Рік тому +1

      Zavala not zevala

    • @_R-R
      @_R-R Рік тому +2

      ​@@adamboy0559
      Yep. 96 hours.

  • @Twilight.Princess
    @Twilight.Princess Рік тому +55

    Amanda was such a underused character, but when she was used it was something big like helping us get on the dreadnaught. The moment she starts getting her own and deserved story, they kill her in the most meh way possible. Truly sad.

    • @0arsenic0
      @0arsenic0 Рік тому +6

      Also I really dislike that they most likely killed her just to fuel Crow's story, she deserved better but tbqh bringing her back as a guardian feels too forced 😭

    • @gemnut2562
      @gemnut2562 Рік тому

      Shame she’s staying dead and just gave her a little memorial….with how meaningless that is

  • @fadeddragon123
    @fadeddragon123 Рік тому +335

    Honestly. Crow here reminds me of us when he kills cayde. He’s going through what we did.

    • @searburrito7456
      @searburrito7456 Рік тому +24

      I still hate crow but can understand his pain

    • @fadeddragon123
      @fadeddragon123 Рік тому +21

      @@searburrito7456 as someone where people look and hear so much about because of my temper.. but try to be the best I can be.. I relate to crow. People look at me and they see the monster I turn into when I lose my temper.

    • @TehThxsis
      @TehThxsis Рік тому +5

      Yessssssss basically same line we used

    • @gavo7911
      @gavo7911 Рік тому +41

      @@searburrito7456 Dude it's been over 4 years, you gotta let Cayde go.

    • @MrSpiritualDesire
      @MrSpiritualDesire Рік тому +4

      Vengeance...

  • @DanKitagawa
    @DanKitagawa Рік тому +215

    Ahead of all: Traveler died, but lonely ghosts did not disappear anywhere. By the way, about the fact that the light has not disappeared anywhere: maybe it's the Traveler shard in the EDZ, from which we already once drew strength when Ghaul turned off the light.

    • @anotherfriendlyshikikan6960
      @anotherfriendlyshikikan6960 Рік тому +13

      The witness didn’t want to block out the light completely so I believe our light still comes from the traveler

    • @objectedwinter
      @objectedwinter Рік тому +20

      traveler isn't dead.. we don't even know that for sure let alone what it even is. Secondly, ghosts are separate entities. The shard is different.. complicated not much to go on. The shard may have been drained when we took its light, and OR the shard is also connected to the traveler in some way. The shard has also proven it has no correlation to us. When we lost the light to Ghaul.. why didn't the shard provide the light.. Because it's disconnected from the host. Yet still connected in some way. I like the theories but it needs more viable explanation lol
      Traveler is definitely not dead. Incapacitated maybe. For all we know, it isn't a living being. (A machine perhaps) with something or someone inside it that the witness is after (be free line that the witness said) whomever he is searching for, has correlation with the traveler. I can tell you right now that the light still exists because the traveler is still "alive" or that whatever is powering it is still alive.

    • @darkshotmk3
      @darkshotmk3 Рік тому +2

      Considering the triangle tattoo is made of light and dark. And the travaller leaked light while the tattoo was being carved we get light from the travallers wound

    • @tsunertoo9149
      @tsunertoo9149 Рік тому +6

      ​@@objectedwinter The traveler is "Dead" but the emphasis is that the kind of dead. The Traveler was killed by the power of the veil, which according to some lore bits suggests it's the power of death. The travelers body is fine, an the light it makes is also fine. The traveler as a "thinking being" is dead. It's something that happened on Europa when Bray was making the exos. One of the first "successful" exos told Clovis that he had "died" and his body was an empty vessel for the universe. Clovis took immense interest in this Exo as he said the Exo told him many secrets and uderstandings on how the universe worked. The Exo later simply ceased to function, despite being completely fine. My guess is that the veil mihgt have done the same to the traveler. The Traveler is now dead, but because it's body is still functioning as a vessel, it will continue to provide light until the body ceases to exist.

    • @ThisMightBeAnAccount
      @ThisMightBeAnAccount Рік тому +4

      no this is just one of the logical fallacies of the game, the game has never implied that losing the traveler will make us lose the light.
      ghaul used a light-disabler, explained further when a psion recreated the tech to try and kill zavala. when savathun took our traveler, all she was doing was helping us. the traveler wouldn’t have willingly shut off its light if it was sealed away in the throne world, as light has to exist to prevent the witness’s final shape. because of this fallacy the whole plot of witch queen makes 0 sense

  • @DreadNought0255
    @DreadNought0255 Рік тому +106

    Something in the Caiatl transmission to Missrax tickled me. The whole "Devotion inspires bravery. Bravery inspires sacrifice. Sacrifice leads to death." is always told from the angle that it is about a single individual, mostly. Current interpretation is that Hollyday's devotion to the cause inspired her bravery. Which lead to her sacrifice: her life, death.
    But what about a bigger picture? Her devotion to the cause inspires others to bravery, which inspires acts of sacrifice and leading to death. You can get all poetic here that sacrifices and deaths are not always relegated to our heroes. Devoted people might at time need to be brave enough to sacrifice the lives of others for the cause. It could even be not a sacrifice of their own life but of their soul which leads to heinous acts costing the lives of others. Mantra sticks.
    So it could be that Amanda's death is just one domino in a line of many.
    There is also a circular nature to the mantra. Who in all history tend to inspire the most devotion? Martyrs. So the death of some inspires others to devotion and the circle begins again.

  • @roninxcvii78
    @roninxcvii78 Рік тому +156

    Personally, I think the whole point of “Lightfall” should be about us losing. I know that is more or less an excuse but, I’d rather we lose people PERMANENTLY rather than they die then get resurrected. Mara already said that, even if she was revived she wouldn’t BE Amanda. I’d rather not see that with a character we’ve known for so long. They did Crow’s story pretty good I’d say but I’d rather not go through that again. I think it hits harder if she stays dead. It adds weight to the story, the war were in. There needs to be some form of consequences in this universe. I think it would be a sort of cheap way to kill her, have everyone be sad, then just say “oh! Don’t worry everyone! She’s back!” Takes away from her sacrifice I’d say.

    • @kingcurmudgeon8685
      @kingcurmudgeon8685 Рік тому +7

      Yep. I think there may be a plan for us to lose more as well. From season to season. There has been a theory that LIGHTFALL was so light hearted in its narrative because this seasonal storyline was going to get very grim leading into nightfall. That would actually be far more interesting

    • @Bluefire-em3hq
      @Bluefire-em3hq Рік тому +13

      I feel like Amanda's death didn't have much weight to it especially with her back story only really play into play last week just to have her killed off. To me it would have been more impact full if someone like mithrax would have died instead since it feels like we grew with them more then we did with Amanda in my opinion

    • @davidwajda5528
      @davidwajda5528 Рік тому +6

      I personally believe it would defeat the whole message you don't need to be a light bearer to be a Guardian, if Bungie were to resurrect her.
      It's one of the main reasons I respect Amanda as a character.

    • @mr.shadow_wolf
      @mr.shadow_wolf Рік тому +2

      I would agree and I think that was the original plan, but Lance. I think now one of the things that will be discussed is bringing Amanda back just before we loose Zevala. It gives us a new Titan Vanguard without having to "introduce" a new character or having to cast a new voice talent.

    • @All_Beef_Hotdog
      @All_Beef_Hotdog Рік тому +5

      I would normally agree if it was done well, but this wasn’t, the whole death just felt unearned. The trend of revealing a character backstory and exploring then a bit more in depth just before killing them is a bad trope that needs to end. All it exists to do is elicit some cheap reaction from people and it’s the polar opposite of actual GOOD character writing and development. That, and the fact that Bungie opened up a whole plot thread about Amanda forgiving Crow as well as heavily teasing a romance between the two that never got seen to its logical conclusion. It’s almost necessary for them to bring her back because if they don’t, this has been an egregious mishandling of the story.
      And Bungie needs to stop making Crow miserable. Let the boy have a win dammit

  • @peterdubinsky5389
    @peterdubinsky5389 Рік тому +6

    Crow channeling uldren and calling upon the guardian for aid is just sick I love the richness in that

  • @pinkfluffyunicorn7719
    @pinkfluffyunicorn7719 Рік тому +8

    I'm more emotionally in this, that I should. After Amanda passing away, I realized, that she was always there...bringing us guardians tanks, supporting us with heavy gunfire from the sky. Never the main character, but in in every fight - without fear and with blazing guns. Without a ghost - but always in the battle. As a Hunter, I still grieve with the loss of our vanguard and I don't wan't to accept another loss...hope she comes back Ana Bray style, also for the sake of Crow...the whole Zavala thing just made it more sad. As a german, I never hear the original voice of Lance Riddick, but when I read it, emoations kicked hard - it makes the fun of gaming oddly connect to the tragedy of real life.

  • @skullknight4579
    @skullknight4579 Рік тому +142

    The traveler….bring Amanda back….for us?
    the traveler would rather revive our enemies than help us lmao
    It brought uldren back, savathun back, it even revived nezerec…I’m half expecting ghaul to pop up

    • @joshjones8127
      @joshjones8127 Рік тому +18

      The only one of these that cant be explained is Uldren. But if you refer to the lore entries about Uldren at his core it makes more sense. Savathun was supposed to get the light in the first place and ultimately ended up trying to save it, which is why she got it. Nezarec was an accident. Either way, the traveler isnt bringing anyone back right now.

    • @dropkick3024
      @dropkick3024 Рік тому +12

      Nezarec was a accident and savathun was supposed to get the light trust me more than likely 90% of guradians probably didn't even deserve the light

    • @nidhoog
      @nidhoog Рік тому +12

      Taniks will most likely come back as a guardian

    • @jerrybarker7781
      @jerrybarker7781 Рік тому +4

      FRRRRRR!!! the traveler sus asf

    • @atheontimesconflux1067
      @atheontimesconflux1067 Рік тому +7

      The traveler isn’t good and it isn’t evil. It gives power to those it thinks can be protectors of it, and it didn’t revive Nezarec. We did via plugging him in to what was basically the WiFi router for light

  • @spinalcord6308
    @spinalcord6308 Рік тому +31

    Im going to just say what Ive said before:
    Bringing Amanda back would be a slap in the face. The reason we have characters like Amanda and Hawthorne is to remind us that regular people can fight the forces of darkness in spite of the fact that they only have one life to live. Reviving Amanda would only damage this message and prove that “only Guardians can effectively fight the darkness”. This is stuff that the writers set up in D2 year 1, but I don’t have too much doubt that the current writers will undermine this message in favor of doing whatever they want. They’ve done similar before.

    • @Killinshots
      @Killinshots Рік тому +9

      funnily enough, Hawthorne and Amanda are considered guardians, though they arent lightbearers. "only guardians can effectively fight the darkness" includes them.
      When taking back the city from the red legion, zavala directly calls Hawthorne a guardian.

    • @All_Beef_Hotdog
      @All_Beef_Hotdog Рік тому +6

      I see it more as a “look at what you did without the Light. You earned this gift, now do something else great with it”

    • @girlinvt
      @girlinvt Рік тому

      It is the ultimate act of bravery to risk your one and only life to save another, as a guardian it's a given that doing acts of bravery are an easy act because the possibility of death has been basically removed, there by making it an easier choice. If the risk of death is removed, as well as being healed completely so your not facing being crippled, or months and months of healing and rehabilitation.

  • @AlienWS
    @AlienWS Рік тому +46

    I think I speak for most of us that we all saw it coming from a mile away

    • @mohamadhamada9954
      @mohamadhamada9954 Рік тому +10

      tbh nah after she survived the crash, I for sure thought she would get plot armor for a WHILE

    • @vashlotus1891
      @vashlotus1891 Рік тому +1

      This games story(lack of) is quite predictable now. 🙄

    • @AlienWS
      @AlienWS Рік тому +1

      @@vashlotus1891 the lore is great but the way they tell their story is just lackluster

    • @andruuu4649
      @andruuu4649 Рік тому +1

      ​@@AlienWS do you prefer going back to the old days when story was told in lore cards outside of the game and we didn't have seasons between dlc's?

    • @AlienWS
      @AlienWS Рік тому

      @@andruuu4649 “man I don’t like how my fan makes that squeaky noise every so often. OH! So you would rather not have a ceiling fan at all!!” 😂

  • @megarockman99
    @megarockman99 Рік тому +8

    Just imagine IF Amanda gets resurrected, but as a Titan. We know from the TWAB that Lance had been recording lines for future content, how far forward though, I can’t say or tell, but I think it would make a good storyline.

  • @codeman7780
    @codeman7780 Рік тому +6

    I wouldn't say he's becoming more like Uldren...I'd say he's just growing as a person.

    • @urazz7739
      @urazz7739 Рік тому

      Crow is Uldren. Crow is just different superficially. I don't think resurrection into a Guardian changes a person's core. Remember when Crow got Uldren's memories, he was pretty much realizing how alike he is to Uldren and did a lot of the same things as him.

  • @doggystylzz
    @doggystylzz Рік тому +206

    I don't think the Traveler is dead because Guardians still have light...

    • @_The_Seeker_
      @_The_Seeker_ Рік тому +9

      We’re using Maras power, all Guardians are that’s why she has her arms outstretched on the farm.

    • @dillydawgsavage3161
      @dillydawgsavage3161 Рік тому +101

      mara is only helping us get in and out of that other dimension she isn't giving us our light powers

    • @ParagonGoetia
      @ParagonGoetia Рік тому +48

      ​@@_The_Seeker_ no, thats just for breaching the facility.

    • @starlight_prince
      @starlight_prince Рік тому +31

      The Traveler is not the source of the Light, more like a relay beacon for it. Since its shell is still intact, we still have the Light. That's my theory.

    • @zelky1394
      @zelky1394 Рік тому +37

      @@starlight_prince the ghosts said that they cant feel the traveler anymore, but the light is still there but "coming from somewhere deeper"

  • @viribloodmoon19
    @viribloodmoon19 Рік тому +3

    I don't know but..with the passing of Zavala's VA..if Amanda does get revivied..I could see big Z passing on the ceremonial torch to her if she comes back as a Titan..
    On that note..she gives off Titan qualities, in my eyes, she was stalwart, brave, led with a pure heart and a big stick (chaperone).
    Amanda looked up to all of the Vanguard leaders, she grew up with them. The girl knows how to hold down home. Almost makes an old Guardian like me cry, to see her gone.. almost.
    Requiescat in pace, Holliday..and Lance Reddick, Requiescat in pace..

  • @Triforcebro
    @Triforcebro Рік тому +9

    Amanda is going to become a guardian because the story made sure to point out that Amanda was upset that both her parents died and didn't come back as guardians. A good storyteller would make sure that was a hint towards Amanda being worthy of a ghost.

  • @anotherfriendlyshikikan6960
    @anotherfriendlyshikikan6960 Рік тому +27

    I’m hoping that instead of Amanda it’s her mother. It’s out there and I don’t think it’ll actually happen but it’ll definitely be a expectation subversion

    • @mcfridger
      @mcfridger Рік тому

      I had this same thought. It would be interesting to bring a new guardian, and the emotional punch of hopping it's Amanda, but then finding out it's her mother, come back just after her sacrifice.

  • @AsyrafSya
    @AsyrafSya Рік тому +39

    I really want Fynch to be Amanda's ghost, but I don't think that's possible.

    • @user-zz1vc7ec2k
      @user-zz1vc7ec2k Рік тому +6

      No he’s got a hive companion

    • @BlitzStorm
      @BlitzStorm Рік тому +15

      ​@エコー ghosts can outright refuse to rez and abandon their guardians.

    • @kingxeno4794
      @kingxeno4794 Рік тому +1

      ​@BlitzStorm I know they can refuse to rez their Guardian but abandoning them is new to me

    • @nyalan8385
      @nyalan8385 Рік тому +4

      @@BlitzStorm but they can’t get another one

    • @BlitzStorm
      @BlitzStorm Рік тому +7

      @@nyalan8385 yes they can? Nowhere in lore was it stated they can't get another guardian. THEY choose.

  • @SealFormulaMaster
    @SealFormulaMaster Рік тому +21

    The purpose Amanda would bring as a Guardian would be more to do with Crow and Mara than anything or anyone else. Mara looks into the eyes of what use to be her brother. If Crow now looks into the eyes of what use to be someone he loved, he could start to mend relations with Mara by understanding the pain she feels. By learning this, he could further understand what it means to be a Risen.
    Another thing Amanda could bring as a Guardian is answering what the Light and The Traveler are. If Amanda is revived, there's a possibility that with The Traveler MIA, she could retain all her memories. If she does, we'd learn the reason behind the memory wipes, and maybe we'll even learn the reason FOR the memory wipes. If she doesn't have her memories, then of course all of this is moot.
    Finally, her death serves as a repeat for Forsaken. Crow is now going through the very emotions we went through with Cayde. Will Uldren come back? Will we have to put him down again? Does Crow learn from Uldren and us and decide that killing Amanda's killer(s) isn't such a good idea?
    There's alot that can happen revolving AROUND Amanda coming back, but nothing really revolving WITH Amanda. I think it'll happen regardless, Amanda was being built up heavily this season. That's not something you really do if you plan to kill them off the very next page or panel. You wait until issue #50 at least, so that way the impact really lands. When you kill someone off all of a sudden, it's usually because they aren't really dead, or they're going to be revived. They do this because they want to shock the reader or viewer, then shock them more when the person is later revived as a clone or villain or whatever. I seriously doubt Amanda is going to become the newest villain in Destiny, no way she's going to become the entity we have to kill after Final Shape. But, she's coming back. Maybe not this season, but eventually.

  • @TheCartograqher
    @TheCartograqher Рік тому +26

    I think the death of Amanda might be to push out the old and bring in new characters for after the final shape

    • @evilformerlys4704
      @evilformerlys4704 Рік тому +1

      What would be the point of that? I mean do you know what the final shape means? It means the end and beginning, but for an end to happen, everyone and everyone must die!

    • @Shaisabrec
      @Shaisabrec Рік тому +3

      Nah, she stays dead. Cant have any more straight white characters anymore

    • @viperaaspis
      @viperaaspis Рік тому +15

      @@Shaisabrec She wasn't straight, she was Bi. lol
      Imagine a world where sexuality didn't have a positive or negative connotation and you could just be yourself.

    • @NitroNinja324
      @NitroNinja324 Рік тому +2

      @@viperaaspis Where do you get that from?

    • @lazzerchicken
      @lazzerchicken Рік тому +8

      ​​@@NitroNinja324 it was said a while ago in some bungie interview I think where some person asked if there are any LGBTQ characters in destiny some being devrem Hawthorne and of course Amanda plus oryx (i think don't quote me on that

  • @TempestGhost
    @TempestGhost Рік тому +27

    Wasn’t Ana Bray revived too? She somewhat remembers her name because she was revived with her name tag on her lab coat. But then again now that i think about it, that’s only one step of remembering who she was. Uldren remembers who he was because of Savathun and Savathun remembers who she was because we helped her remember.

    • @BlitzStorm
      @BlitzStorm Рік тому +3

      Amanda also has a biography in the hangar.

    • @senatorarmstrong4662
      @senatorarmstrong4662 Рік тому

      That’s cause she actively sought out her past especially cause the bray family is such a important name. Also there where several documentaries about her and her work.

    • @NitroNinja324
      @NitroNinja324 Рік тому +2

      There's some lore about Niik, the Eliksni shipwright that worked with Amanda, where she says that she will keep Amanda's memory with House Light's Servitor. I think I see why they made that card now.

    • @danielebowman
      @danielebowman Рік тому

      Ana doesn't technically remember who she was. When revived she had her 'Ana Bray' name badge on and the Bray family are obviously huge. Which made it easy for her to find out about her past life. But she doesn't have the memories.

    • @TempestGhost
      @TempestGhost Рік тому

      @@danielebowman Well not all her memories. There was also Rasputin who she spent much of her time with which may have also entailed Ana telling Rasputin some parts of her life.

  • @sarcasticnonsense
    @sarcasticnonsense Рік тому +42

    I’ve always wondered… if a guardian gets their ghost destroyed and dies, what’s stopping another ghost who doesn’t have a guardian to find and choose that same guardian to revive?

    • @senatorarmstrong4662
      @senatorarmstrong4662 Рік тому +12

      Well that’s……….. now wait a dam minute 🤔

    • @thegamingcazador8295
      @thegamingcazador8295 Рік тому +14

      So what you are saying is there is still a chance of Cayde returning.. I'm guessing something lore wise prevents a ghost from choosing a person who has already been chosen before. But who knows.

    • @khalidbarwani5872
      @khalidbarwani5872 Рік тому +10

      ​@@thegamingcazador8295 shin malphur was born into a guardian after yor killed jaren ward. Its possible

    • @wikitiki209
      @wikitiki209 Рік тому +5

      Nothing really, it's just never been done, but we keep doing new stuff every year

    • @KolomalakasPoutanas
      @KolomalakasPoutanas Рік тому +3

      Code of Honor I guess. Nothing else that's stopping it

  • @Ootek_Imora
    @Ootek_Imora Рік тому +14

    Crow asked us to tag along, techeuns say personality doesn't change much after becoming a guardian and losing memories (because they knew zavala pre guardianship) so if crow asked us to tag along I feel we're gonna keep him in line, but I don't think we're killing anyone, I think we're rezz9ng savathun after all next season is season of the deep

    • @senatorarmstrong4662
      @senatorarmstrong4662 Рік тому +3

      PLEASE BUNGIE bring back our hive queen.

    • @undyingv0id397
      @undyingv0id397 Рік тому +1

      @@senatorarmstrong4662 ong I need big mommy savvy back

    • @Ootek_Imora
      @Ootek_Imora Рік тому +2

      @Senator Armstrong my thoughts exactly, the last city may not like it, it may be the death (litterally and figuritively) of the vanguard as the last city loses trust. But I think we're rezzing her, and getting some information on the witness.

    • @senatorarmstrong4662
      @senatorarmstrong4662 Рік тому +2

      @@Ootek_Imorahonestly they’d be a interesting story especially considering the vanguard has been missing a leader for the hunters for years now also I didn’t feel like we got enough Savathun in Witch Queen and that there’s still things we don’t know about her and her.

    • @AllenGray47
      @AllenGray47 Рік тому +1

      We are absolutely doing that. It would be moronic for her to have just been a light bearer for the brief which queen campaign. Plus her ghost flew off somewhere. She protected us in the collapse, tried to shield the Traveller in her throneworld, she is a (not so secret)secret good guy, and I can't wait for her to come back and be like "told you so, idiot."

  • @duo1666
    @duo1666 Рік тому +10

    It would make sense for her to come back as a guardian, as it would give crow a front row seat to see and feel what happens when someone you know is reborn as one.

  • @jokeyxero
    @jokeyxero Рік тому +3

    I think it makes a lot of sense plotwise to bring Amanda back, but not this season. It would be a good bridge to question the validity of whether or not to keep our pasts secret or let us learn from them. This time with a character that we all really want to get her memories back. Savathun would be a key in learning how to do it efficiently. And we likely need to bring Sav back to get to Titan again. Mara implied she could have deliberately made Uldren a guardian if she'd thought he wanted that. There seems to be at least two characters that know for a fact how to become guardians.

  • @LegalEagle3223
    @LegalEagle3223 Рік тому +3

    I would really like them to write Zavala into a blaze of glory death. Seems only fitting that maybe Amanda could become a Titan to use her “walls” to shield others, like Zavala did to her. Maybe it’s too poetic, maybe I’m reading too much into it.

  • @vanguardgaming1779
    @vanguardgaming1779 Рік тому

    Another day, another video. Love the content Evaze, keep it up.❤

  • @GrimViridian
    @GrimViridian Рік тому

    Man I gotta love how your thumbnails for the last two seasonal missions gave enough context that I got spoiled for what happened, great job dude 🙄

  • @fabianholguin44
    @fabianholguin44 Рік тому +6

    If they do bring her back crow will probably want her to remember and he’ll help imaru get to Savathun in return for her memories.

    • @john02222
      @john02222 Рік тому

      Thats not a bad theory

  • @01ASTRALICE
    @01ASTRALICE Рік тому +4

    >We get Amanda as a Guardian: :D
    >She won't remember Cayde, Zavala, Ikora and us: :(

  • @SparkyShepard
    @SparkyShepard Рік тому +1

    Why does no one remember Savathun foreshadowing this back in Chosen.
    "You would make a fine Guardian,Miss Holliday" -Savathun as Osiris

  • @jamesbridges6993
    @jamesbridges6993 Рік тому

    Thanks Evaze for this, I wondered about this

  • @xxAznToxin13xx
    @xxAznToxin13xx Рік тому +4

    Not saying I like this idea too much, but if she does get revived, I would like to see her be a Titan and after The Final Shape, whatever happens to Zavala and/or Ikora, maybe Amanada can be the Titan vanguard and if we meet someone that can take up the Warlock (or keep Ikora) then we could see the beginning of a new vanguard team

  • @SmokeyLaBear
    @SmokeyLaBear Рік тому +7

    I'm guessing Bungie killed off Amanda because players rarely visited her as a tower vendor. She was just kinda taking up space, so they gave her a heroic send-off.

    • @Killinshots
      @Killinshots Рік тому +1

      she was at least worth visiting for all the prime gaming rewards and stuff

    • @kylemahan9145
      @kylemahan9145 Рік тому +2

      It wasn't even heroic. It was just a trap they fell for

  • @ronin9380
    @ronin9380 Рік тому

    Thanks for the hard work!

  • @michaelhidden7916
    @michaelhidden7916 Рік тому

    Massive feels on this one ....I love your vids and I didn't even know she was gone......😢

  • @walker7753
    @walker7753 Рік тому +4

    The moment a buddy of mine and I heard Crow say that he knows we want vengeance, while I stand indifferent personally, both me and my both agreed that this felt too familiar goin back to Forsaken

    • @oinkytheink1228
      @oinkytheink1228 Рік тому

      Imma guess and instead of revenge it would involve savathun getting revived

  • @kobe6870
    @kobe6870 Рік тому +10

    If Amanda does become a guardian I think she'll be either a hunter or warlock, but I'm leaning more towards warlock with the story Crow was telling Devrim during the battlegrounds.

    • @darkshotmk3
      @darkshotmk3 Рік тому +3

      Nope I and putting my money on a Titan

    • @mohamadhamada9954
      @mohamadhamada9954 Рік тому +3

      nah im calling hunter, shes giving hunter vibes

    • @joulevette22
      @joulevette22 Рік тому +4

      Hunter vibes I think she will put on cayde cloak

    • @yourawaywiththefairy
      @yourawaywiththefairy Рік тому

      She more a titan than warlovk

    • @evilformerlys4704
      @evilformerlys4704 Рік тому

      Amanda talks and walks like a crayon eater, dunno what you talking bout! She's basically a younger Commander Sloane and that accent fits an in your face punch first shoot with the chaperone second type.

  • @Paradigmfusion
    @Paradigmfusion Рік тому +1

    Well also think back to the Red War, that big ol piece of the Traveler off in the distance at the Farm (that same one we got our light back from even though the Traveler itself was subdued at the time) IF she is brought back, thats probably where its going to happen and Crow cares for Amanda so much, I would wager he would take her body there. (He has connections to that spot to as Uldren)

  • @klassicreaper
    @klassicreaper Рік тому +8

    just started watching. but she had enough time to transmit out of there

    • @dougcarey2233
      @dougcarey2233 Рік тому

      Maybe, but I'm not so sure she knew it was coming. It's also possible that transmat wasn't feasible. After all, we couldn't transmat in.

    • @klassicreaper
      @klassicreaper Рік тому +1

      ​@@dougcarey2233 im pretty sure she knew. but even if she could transmit out of there she could talk to eris about getting her out

    • @sncrabs65
      @sncrabs65 Рік тому

      A ghost could have had time, Amanda had no ghost

  • @godknightomega
    @godknightomega Рік тому +13

    Calling it now.
    IF Amanda gets a Ghost, revives, and becomes a Guardian, Crow will be responsible for Savathun's return.
    Savathun with the power to restore memories will be way too enticing for Crow NOT to seek her out for that power to return Amanda back to her old self.
    I don't like how Amanda died though, it should've been a last stand being completely surrounded or grabbed by a Tormentor and we fight to recover her from the enemy but it was too late. Going down fighting like Cayde-6, a person she idolized the most.
    I will give props to Bungie for not dropping any Spoiler Alert Sidearms this season which is their "death flag" weapon.

    • @EckoUntitl
      @EckoUntitl Рік тому +1

      Imagine Finch became her ghost,i would love their dynamic.

    • @godknightomega
      @godknightomega Рік тому

      @@EckoUntitl
      Would be fun but unfortunately I don't think Finch can decouple himself from that Hive Knight.
      In the lore Finch can hear the Hive Knight demanding for Finch to revive it which he refuses to do so.
      Seems once a Ghost is bonded to a chosen Lightbearer they're stuck together unless the Lightbearer themselves are permanently destroyed with things like Weapons of Sorrow.

  • @SpicyRamenCo
    @SpicyRamenCo Рік тому

    This was really good!

  • @poolpatine
    @poolpatine Рік тому +2

    I get a feeling that Crow will start to slip from the Light. But when he's at the precipice of going back or not, there's an appearance. It's Amanda. But just like Ana, she has an idea of who she was before becoming a Guardian. She brings him back

  • @erickgarcia564
    @erickgarcia564 Рік тому +41

    Im betting raputin, rohan, and amanda are about to become guardians in the future. They all died devoted and brave as well as sacrificing themselves to protect others.

    • @BeeBeeBeeLol
      @BeeBeeBeeLol Рік тому +14

      the idea of a cloud strider juiced guardian is wild.

    • @bliss5297
      @bliss5297 Рік тому +3

      Ngl, a cloudstrider guardian will be an unstoppable force.
      Immortal and an unstoppable force.

    • @noahhaupt5343
      @noahhaupt5343 Рік тому +8

      Though it is possible for rasputin since his "son" felwinter was an exo of his creation with no human origin, I don't think Rohan can come back as a guardian because all that remained of him was a power core with no body after he blew up.

    • @Silver3902
      @Silver3902 Рік тому

      And noticed Amanda had a similar death to Rohan having a explosion happen and we just met Rohan we only knew him for like 3 missions so we have a really good chance of Rohan coming back and with Amanda in her story of going to the last city she talks about hoe her parents died and she thought they would get brought back to life as a guardian but they didn't so this time she might get that 2nd chance that her parents didn't get

    • @altronbee1216
      @altronbee1216 Рік тому +12

      Rohan is a fucking block in a museum rn I don’t think he’s coming back

  • @fangking100
    @fangking100 Рік тому +4

    Crow is special not only does he have a ship that was created by the traveler but it is paracausal and has a will of it’s own.

    • @senatorarmstrong4662
      @senatorarmstrong4662 Рік тому

      Are you for real that’s the first I’ve heard of this that’s awesome.

    • @sakara75
      @sakara75 Рік тому +1

      @@senatorarmstrong4662 yep it's called The Radiant Accipiter

  • @davidburnett453
    @davidburnett453 Рік тому +1

    I just keep thinking of the vanguard dare of Cayde 6’s and how it had to be crow… seems that is one piece of established knowledge that has been widely over looked

    • @CircusFoxxo
      @CircusFoxxo Рік тому

      People keep bringing that up but it was literally just between Cayde and his friend, nothing to do deeper with the Hunter vanguard seat

  • @mdwm1981
    @mdwm1981 Рік тому +1

    Lance's passing could throw a wrench in all this. They likely retire his character or at least move him away from the lead vanguard. I wonder if this changes any future plots that were incoming. I don't want to see Zavala gone but he deserves an epic sendoff. Like the most epic of sendoffs like sacrificing himself to destroy a fleet of ships or something

  • @summerrose7650
    @summerrose7650 Рік тому +3

    Our ghost has been looking for us for a very long time. They didn't know what we looked like but they could feel it was us. If there's a ghost out there for Amanda, i'm sure it feels it's getting close to it's new guardian.
    Still though, Amanda will still be dead just like Uldren is. Emotions will bubble to the surface that looks just like Amanda but her most cherished memories, relationships, and pains, passions and anything else that made Amanda "Amanda" will just be... gone. Maybe it'll be like Ana who revived her love for her work but...

  • @thevexoffender8197
    @thevexoffender8197 Рік тому +8

    Literally just should’ve had the guardian do it

    • @thestateofyum6991
      @thestateofyum6991 Рік тому

      "you'll get a new gun if you do"

    • @draysmusicalshtposts6340
      @draysmusicalshtposts6340 Рік тому

      I originally said it'd hit harder if we were in the room too, forced to watch a friend die knowing we'd get revived, but then I remembered I play titan and I'd just be questioning where tf my Ward of Dawn was if that was the case

  • @RedAngelXV
    @RedAngelXV Рік тому +1

    Zavala… Poor guy is basically sitting there praying to the Traveler for her to be chosen as a Guardian.🥺💕

  • @wackypenguin94
    @wackypenguin94 Рік тому +1

    The only thing is, the witness do something with the travelers ghosts? Did they do something that just stopped new guardians of being produced? Or would she become a dark guardian? Like the witness messing with something that makes the ghosts and any new guardians work for him, would be a crazy moment, actually having to fight a guardian, let alone dead friend guardian

  • @eastsideslingerjoe
    @eastsideslingerjoe Рік тому +4

    In the random dialogue from Jisu Colerando they mention an unpaired Ghost going around Neomuna so I don't imagine all ghosts not paired up with someone suddenly died. Hell, Micha 10 was mentioned being a shepard of sorts for Ghosts and protecting them. That said, it may be cheap to suddenly bring Amanda back to life or, if they do, try to make her into Amanda when she's someone else now.

  • @theGentlemanCaller73
    @theGentlemanCaller73 Рік тому +6

    It would be interesting for Amanda and Crow to hook up without their previous memories. Amanda couldn't get past Crow's past, which is understandable. Now there may be a way around that.

  • @KoriKitsune35
    @KoriKitsune35 Рік тому +1

    As long as theres ghosts. there's always a chance that our fallen companion can and will be ressurected. Devotion inspires bravery, bravery inspires sacrifice, and sacrifice leads to death.

  • @gaeren
    @gaeren Рік тому +1

    I am in the "likely guardian resurrection camp." I think the narrative twist of Amanda coming back as a different person would put a new yet apropos twist on the complication in the relationship between her and crow.

    • @senatorarmstrong4662
      @senatorarmstrong4662 Рік тому

      Na the real question is which vanguard would she be my moneys on hunter cause she still has caydes cloak on her wall and cayde got it after andal died so it would be cool if she wore it next

  • @TheWeezyfly
    @TheWeezyfly Рік тому +7

    I don't understand why people keep bring up her coming back as a Guardian.1) Does it look like the Traveler is in a position to give anyone a ghost right now 2) It ruins the dynamic of her sacrifice. What made her special was the fact she decided to fight even though being lightless take that away and the thing that made her work is gone. 3) This is supposed to be our 2nd collapse and you expect no permanent deaths. TBH right now people should be dropping like they're flies but they aren't. This forces Crow to finally make decisions to become the Guardian he wants to be or Uldron with a ghost. What is our character going to do since we will be taking revenge with Crow. IF we go a take revenge then she comes back then the actions crow and our Guardian take will be pointless and down played.

    • @kingcurmudgeon8685
      @kingcurmudgeon8685 Рік тому +1

      Yep. We should expect a lot of significant pain to lead us into the final shape. That is what makes more sense to me

  • @chefpigeon1462
    @chefpigeon1462 Рік тому +6

    Amanda needs to come back as a Guardian ( Hunter ) and wear Cayde’s cloak she had hanging in her workshop area.

  • @arragon5481
    @arragon5481 Рік тому

    Hearing the sadness in Mithrax's voice. You can tell he truly cares for the people he meets.

  • @All_Beef_Hotdog
    @All_Beef_Hotdog Рік тому +2

    My theory is that Holliday will be brought back as a Guardian, but it will be alongside the return of Savathun, who will help us recover her memories using some form of Deepsight.
    I feel like Bungie almost HAS to bring her back for a number of reasons.
    1- Her death was FAR too telegraphed for it to be shocking and thus to carry and emotional weight.
    2- They opened up a narrative between her and Crow about her forgiving him and a will-they, won’t-they romance that never got expanded on or brought to its logical conclusion.
    3- Bungie has a boner for making Crow miserable. Throw my boy a bone and let him have a happy ending
    4- This would more serve to round out Crow’s story than her own, and thus I feel it’s necessary to revive her for that.
    5- Finally, the Titan vanguard needs a replacement. After the tragic passing of Lance, I don’t see Zavala being recast aside from someone to voice until his story is finished. I feel it would be more appropriate to kill Commander Zavala in some very heroic sacrifice, maybe even protecting a newly risen Holliday, to let the character rest with Lance. Nobody can replace Mr. Reddick as Zavala, and I think if Bungie is worth their salt they’ll avoid a recast and instead kill him off, which would leave room for a new Vanguard, potentially Holliday

  • @parkerrichmond1754
    @parkerrichmond1754 Рік тому +4

    Ok crow, if your the new vanguard, please, for the love of God, don't die, we need to keep a vanguard for at least a couple expansions.

  • @LB-lt3iy
    @LB-lt3iy Рік тому +7

    crow fits as the hunter vanguard. killed the last one, lives the hunter lifestyle, and he has enough backstory now to where itd make sense, hopefully this amanda arc will conclude with a definite answer, not having a hunter vanguard going into the final shape seems weird to me.

    • @Xerodm
      @Xerodm Рік тому

      Seems like he'd be a bad leader.

    • @davidspearim5552
      @davidspearim5552 Рік тому

      ​@Xerø If you read his lore tab hes not exactly one of the best leaders around Before he went to the black garden

    • @urazz7739
      @urazz7739 Рік тому

      @@Xerodm Actually, he's probably a good leader for the Hunters. They tend to be like cats and do what they want. If anything, the Hunters are probably thankful to Crow for taking up the burden of the Vanguard as none of them want it.

  • @beatblocksgaming
    @beatblocksgaming Рік тому

    The thing is there are only so many ghosts, and plenty of them have switched sides so there have to be ghosts left who still believe in the travellers goals and that are willing to join the fight because at this point some of them probably don’t even want to

  • @brianperron805
    @brianperron805 Рік тому

    Zavala just repeating that mantra gave me chills

  • @dumpfuckery7909
    @dumpfuckery7909 Рік тому +12

    This is me and my clan theory: as no ghost getting produce any more, Crow will try to Savathun and have her create a Ghost for Amada

    • @Xerodm
      @Xerodm Рік тому +4

      There are still Ghosts without Guardians. Don't need more created. On Neomuna, Jisu even says something about a ghost (Tokki? ) arriving and being the first of many possibly.

    • @viperaaspis
      @viperaaspis Рік тому +3

      There are still ghosts. There are also still ghosts that still have not found their guardians.

    • @josehernandez2219
      @josehernandez2219 Рік тому +2

      All the ghosts were made after the first collapse, that's it. There are still ghosts around looking for guardians, a fuck ton of tem. Come on guys this is like basic lore.

    • @senatorarmstrong4662
      @senatorarmstrong4662 Рік тому +1

      I’d be cool with that cause we’d get savathun back.

    • @NitroNinja324
      @NitroNinja324 Рік тому +1

      All ghosts that exist have existed since the Traveler fell asleep during the first collapse. Savathun didn't make any new ghosts. The Traveler didn't make any new ghosts for the Lucent Brood. Every ghost that can exist does exist currently.

  • @fightnathfight
    @fightnathfight Рік тому +6

    If she in the end is a guardian
    She is definitely a titan

    • @Soon22400
      @Soon22400 Рік тому +2

      Amanda was all about going outside the city with her ship. She even arrived at the city as a child alone, literally what Hunters are all about. Titans are all about fortifying the city and defending it.

    • @urazz7739
      @urazz7739 Рік тому

      @@Soon22400 I can see Amanda as either a Titan or a Hunter. She fits both classes very well in my opinion.

  • @lewis18051
    @lewis18051 Рік тому +2

    Perhaps someone using the deepsight ability could start granting newly risen guardians their old memories! I thought if Mithrax died and came back it wouldn’t be worth it unless he remembered our friendship and past so maybe we could be the one we have the power

  • @quincystarfox5416
    @quincystarfox5416 Рік тому +1

    She could come back and they could spin a turn on it that since the traveler is technically unconscious at the moment they could bring her back with her memories intact since the traveller is the one that blocks those memories

  • @Ozgarkhail
    @Ozgarkhail Рік тому +5

    What about Savathun ghost? Can that revive her? Or the one in Savathuns throne world Flynch.

    • @Soon22400
      @Soon22400 Рік тому +2

      They both already have a "Guardian" Fynch has the dead Knight he hovers over all the time, and Savathuns ghost has her obviously.

    • @Mask3dShadow
      @Mask3dShadow Рік тому

      @@Soon22400 if I remember correctly that doesn’t really matter, ghosts can unlink from their guardians. I think it’s in one of Osiris’ lore books that says he came across a risen during the dark age that was a dreadful individual, he killed him, and sagira told the ghost to go find a better one.

  • @augustleo8368
    @augustleo8368 Рік тому +4

    Amanda could have become a guardian while alive like Shin Malphur. That she hasn’t I think speaks to her fate

    • @Xerodm
      @Xerodm Рік тому +1

      Shin got rezzed as a baby so I'm not sure it's the same. But I think it would lessen her death if she comes back. Not that I would care, I'm a fan of Amanda as a character and I like her VA (Jack and OK K.O.)

    • @augustleo8368
      @augustleo8368 Рік тому

      @@Xerodm shin wasn’t rezzed as a baby? He inherited his ghost from the guy that originally owned The Last Word

    • @solacefeywolfe7724
      @solacefeywolfe7724 Рік тому +1

      ​@@augustleo8368 Except he *was* rezzed as a baby. This is stated directly by the person that wrote the lore tabs about Shin. He got rezzed and the ghost moved on. Jaren's ghost moved to Shin afterwards because he already had light, just didn't know about it or how to use it.

    • @augustleo8368
      @augustleo8368 Рік тому

      @@solacefeywolfe7724 that makes no sense, why would the ghost just move on?

    • @solacefeywolfe7724
      @solacefeywolfe7724 Рік тому

      @@augustleo8368 Because he was a baby? And I'm pretty certain that babies aren't the best at fighting things.

  • @bobbcorr
    @bobbcorr Рік тому +2

    Her line “not yet” was the foreshadowing of her resurrection as a Guardian.

  • @inquisitorichijou883
    @inquisitorichijou883 Рік тому

    I think we heard from Ikora that Ghosts said they still feel the light, even with the Traveler being absent.

  • @aLittleBitFurther
    @aLittleBitFurther Рік тому +4

    If Crow is the new hunter vanguard, how soon do we get to kill him?

  • @realtuber101
    @realtuber101 Рік тому +4

    If she's brought back, I'll just be disappointed. I'm tired of us getting freebies like this. Death is never fucking permanent anymore. Keep her fucking dead, keep her as a reminder than Crow needs to step up as Vanguard, and keep her as a memory. She was never a leading character to begin with.

    • @clearcat7296
      @clearcat7296 Рік тому

      I agree, I liked Amanda, but I also don't know if I want her back, like Mara said, it wouldn't be Amanda anyway. Ghosts can't keep being a dragonball situation.

  • @robertdewolfe1654
    @robertdewolfe1654 Рік тому +1

    Maybe they can do something about restoring Amanda's memories with the darkness lol

  • @chrispowers3846
    @chrispowers3846 Рік тому

    There was a sound clip in neomuna I heard that a guardianless ghost was found searching for a potential partner and that the city counsel did not know how to classify ghosts as citizens

  • @typhoon37351
    @typhoon37351 Рік тому +5

    I don't think she's coming back as a guardian. it would lessen the impact of her death imo and plus, isn't the traveler basically dead and cant make any new ghosts to resurrect?

    • @tubach1082
      @tubach1082 Рік тому

      No her death has no impact it was so far outta left field

    • @N1ghtF4ll3r
      @N1ghtF4ll3r Рік тому

      There’s still tons of ghost still looking remember

    • @TheWeezyfly
      @TheWeezyfly Рік тому +1

      @@tubach1082 Not really it was expected. We are in the 2nd collapse I expect people to be dropping like flies especially people with no Ghost and seeing how the Traveler is in no position to give light seems very unlikely

    • @Ty-hq2in
      @Ty-hq2in Рік тому

      ​​@@TheWeezyfly yea but we can still be resurrected so that means ghost light can still bring back the dead that are ghostless

    • @TheWeezyfly
      @TheWeezyfly Рік тому

      @@Ty-hq2in we already had the light and our Ghost found us before the events of Lightfall. The traveler is powerless at the moment

  • @scottwells6812
    @scottwells6812 Рік тому +1

    I felt when she passed they made it so they'd bring her back. Maybe bring her back with a vision of how to get the traveler back/defeat the witness, like when we got our own visions despite the traveler being disabled back in vanilla destiny 2 story.

  • @Changingtesting
    @Changingtesting Рік тому +1

    Though I do expect her revival I Also feel like since the witness is inside the traveler, and the darkness is known to grant knowledge or remembrance, maybe if she gets revived she would be the first guardian to has her memories intact, either that or just normal revival or maybe a darkness infused revival?

  • @lordbertos8124
    @lordbertos8124 Рік тому +3

    I feel she should come back. Then her and crow get the peace at the end of it all they deserve. As for deaths zavala will have to go and that is realy sad. But if they need to get rid of some one maby nimbus? Hes just seeming like a cade replacement but its not working to well.

  • @nosleep1271
    @nosleep1271 Рік тому +4

    Please bring her back. This would be a huge missed opportunity.

  • @mrdrifter3925
    @mrdrifter3925 Рік тому

    Good video, nicely done!

  • @timwheeler1545
    @timwheeler1545 Рік тому

    I said this on another video. It's in the lore that there are a bunch of ghosts who gave up trying to find the one and have a little community space inside the wall. So they're definitely out there.

  • @joreo95
    @joreo95 Рік тому

    There are ghosts left looking for their partner, the news guy on Neomuna talked about ghosts flocking to Neomuna looking for their partner.

  • @darrylflynn1400
    @darrylflynn1400 Рік тому +2

    I truly Amanda was meant to die in lighfall original story in that scene at the beginning and that it is meant to be a permanent one too

  • @kxngjoker9014
    @kxngjoker9014 Рік тому

    I had a feeling Amanda holiday would return and crow would be the one to help her on her journey they both have that kinda chemistry

  • @soullight7003
    @soullight7003 Рік тому

    I think that Amanda might be brought back because if you remember a ghost can wonder around for centuries looking for their guardian. But if the travelers is still and not moving I would think that the ghost who are still searching would also lose their power but I have no idea

  • @agatezero12
    @agatezero12 Рік тому

    Back in season of the Splicer Savathun (disquised as Osiris) she said Amanda would make a great guardian.

  • @Noman679actual
    @Noman679actual Рік тому

    Two possible stories from her coming back; 1 Crow coming to terms with this not being the same person he knew, kinda reversing the dynamic they've had for a while; 2 Queen Mara, not wanting Crow to go through what she did, replicates what Savathun did with him,. My personal theory is that Crow expected enough that he built a mental wall between him and Aldrin, where as Savathun didn't and that's why he's still Crow where she returned to her old self.

  • @chromacypher8409
    @chromacypher8409 Рік тому +2

    This hurt considering the death of Lance Reddick. 😢
    Also, the Vanguard will cease by Final Shape. I doubt any of the current have replacement plans, but they have held the guardians back in so many ways. Just my 2 cents.

  • @lotharworks
    @lotharworks Рік тому

    i dont think we will see her raised until the end of the expansion at the earliest, going off of Zavala's words i always thought new lights were off the table for the moment even for ghosts who have yet to find their partner. The mirroring of forsaken where we are stepping into the roll of Petra to Crow taking our place in the story of revenge is an interesting one, i wasnt playing during that expansion so didnt get the effect of Cayde's death the way that those that were playing but watching Amanda die I do want to avenge her. Maybe we will finally get to see the 15th wish if Crow goes full Uldren to get revenge.

  • @almumin75
    @almumin75 Рік тому

    Don’t forget last week or so there were banter communications between Amanda and Devrim about how they do what they do as non guardians, how it’s not fair, Devrim says at one point “ we don’t get to choose who gets the light”. Both were talking as if they were jealous of guardians. Plus if she can’t remember it won’t hold her back as much from Crow. Not to mention Crow was shown his past so he has an understanding of both sides of this coin and he loves her he would help her in her new life. Could be a story beat that crow fights to teach Amanda about her past since it made him the guardian he is today. There is a lot there to suggest Bungie would bring her back.

  • @articomat7824
    @articomat7824 Рік тому

    I thought each ghost had a specific person that the traveler wants to turn into a guardian? I thought there was dialogue that speaks about how the player’s ghost had been looking for them for a long time, as if they were meant to be a guardian.

  • @VikingFBM
    @VikingFBM Рік тому +1

    It would be interesting if a Lucent Hive Ghost brought Amanda back.

  • @MasterGalenMarek
    @MasterGalenMarek Рік тому +1

    Honestly IF Amanda came back then there should be a pretty big twist. If I was writing her return arc then I’d have her comeback with the darkness subclasses first, so she’d have Strand and Stasis. The reason for this would be the Witness’s effect on the Traveler. Sure Ghost’s are the ones to resurrect people to become Guardians, but the Ghosts are powered by the Light and the Light comes from the Traveler. So what if a Ghost that’s powered be both the Light and Darkness brings Amanda back? She wouldn’t immediately return to the Tower. I think she’d follow Osiris around to learn from him. She’d somehow get her memories back like Uldren did. Amanda would now understand what Uldren went through. But I feel she’d want to master her new abilities. So we’d see her fully return in The Final Shape.

    • @SilverFenixFyre
      @SilverFenixFyre Рік тому

      That would be pretty sweet. Yo Bungie - what this guy said!! Make it so, number 1.

  • @lancebaggaley9433
    @lancebaggaley9433 Рік тому

    I’d argue that when crow says that he want to kill those who killed Amanda, he sounds like us.

  • @slvrspiral
    @slvrspiral Рік тому +1

    Am I the only one struggling with the irony of crow being where we were when we hunted him down for Cayde?

  • @jkidney
    @jkidney Рік тому +1

    It would be interesting to see how they proceed since Zavala's voice actor passed. They could retire Zavala and bring Amanda back as new Vanguard Titan. Generally Bungie doesn't take the easy path for these types of things though.

    • @kingcurmudgeon8685
      @kingcurmudgeon8685 Рік тому +1

      Development on games is done years in advance. In all likelihood they have plenty more material Fromm Lance already recorded. The seasonal content is prepped more than a year in advance

  • @umbralflow6883
    @umbralflow6883 Рік тому

    Im sure there are many ghost still looking for there guardian. Many of the ghost that went to the hive are ghost that gave up on finding a guardian on earth. Would be neat to have Finch do it.

  • @goofoffgoose
    @goofoffgoose Рік тому

    Replaying Witch Queen today and Ikira did promise Fynch a place in the Vanguard when Savathon was dealt with... It seems to me that Bungie has made their plot pretty transparent. I'd be more surprised if Amanda didn't come back.