ROOT RAID STORY: ua-cam.com/video/6oIexpx5vjs/v-deo.html Today we discuss what the Black Heart is and who created it! Also the emotional journey Nimbus has after their mentor sacrifices themselves. This video was created days after Lightfalls release, but today we discuss this exotic quest!
Funny how this video came out right as i was on the last mission, i almost forgot to watch cuz i wanted to see for myself but i have 3 thoughts 1. there were no giant minotaur demigods 2. “Oh yea the GoS raid takes place in the black garden” back on that *later* 3. You can safely-ish walk around the see of radiolaria in the final boss room for some reason it doesn’t instakill nor cause DoT until you head back into the arena part of the radiolaria why is this mission replayable?
"Us" when Nimbus says it, would mean Neomuni and possibly other Cloud Striders, and not necessarily inclusive of guardians. Its like walking into a speech and the speaker says "we" when you literally just got there.
@@sunhouse1244 that's just a difference in scale. If you consider the Black Heart as a black mass of Strand, there would be several orders of magnitude more of the threads.
This is definitely a very minor thing but I do miss Mather Mercer as our Guardians VA or at least for human males then. I’ve always liked his performances and especially found his voice very fitting for a hunter in particular. The male VA we have now feels more in place on a titan than anything else. Kinda wish voices were class specific similar to the Old Republic game and not just the singular VAs we have now. On another note regardless of the VAs themselves I still want more banter between our guardian and ghost. They’ve effectively made ghost his own little character but have kinda done so at the expense of our own. Also still want more of us actually being the main character and not just witnessing the events around other characters but that’s admittedly more of an issue in the seasonal stories. Anyways sorry for the off topic tirade but would love to hear people’s thoughts.
It seems a case of doing what had to be done in the moment. Sometimes you just gotta work with what you are given. We knew the black heart was poisoning the traveler so it needed to be destroyed. With new context and new evidence we can go back and investigate how and why this thing did what it did.
@@DoubleOhSilver and they’re the most witless “jokes” I’ve ever heard. Whoever writes the ghosts lines has the sense of humor of a 13 year old Marvel fan
When I was little and first played Destiny I remember that I hated being alone the entire campaign when fighting enemies. The Hive scared me and made me stop playing. But when I got back into it I pushed through and eventually found it fun. In the end I remember jumping for joy when I killed the Black Heart.
Based on this comment I can tell you're young. Imagine thinking the hive are scary and being as young as you were at the time but playing dead space when it first came out.
when I was little there was only one game that scared me and it was twisted metal 2. When I was fighting black tooth I don't know why that fear started I've always loved clowns I like sweet tooth and such but something with black tooth terrified me to where I had to get my sister to play complete the game lol. I got over it pretty fast because when your sister or brother figures out your fear they're gonna overdo it until your Numb.
As a name specifically mentioned in dialogue and relevant to some story info, yes- and very cool to get more insight and linking things in the past to aspects of the current story so many years later. But as for the location, it has been there since Shadowkeep's Garden of Salvation raid.
@@SirCamWAUnfortunately by linking it they broke their own story. It was clearly stated back in D1 that the Vex didn't understand the Balck Heart and were only worshipping it. It was also said that if the Vex understood paracuasality then the Vex would just flat out win. They would be able to properly predict the future and defeat us. Now they understand the Black Heart and actually created it? They clearly understand paracuasality and I don't understand how we haven't been wiped out by them yet according to previous writing in the story. The entire raid I was just waiting for The Witness to come back through the portal just to move his fingers and destroy us. Nothing seems to make since anymore and nothing holds weight. The major enemy has the powers of a 5yr old using their imagination. The only way we beat The Witness is it fumbling the bag and taking us lightly. Allowing us to gain some power or weaken it while it under estimates us.
@@YouJGSousa Always the "Bungie is lazy" story. I can tell that y'all are getting lazy with your insults on Bungie because i see the same copypasta everywhere.
So much is beginning to make sense. The Black Heart disabled the Traveler to a lesser extent than the Veil. The Veil also definitely has egregore fungus growing on the bottom of it, egregore transferred Calus's consciousness to the pyramid on Luna, so it makes perfect sense that the Veil has allowed the citizens of Neomuna to upload their own consciousnesses to the Cloud Ark. Drifter has a ton of egregore in his ship, perhaps he found it in the previous location of The Veil after the Witness had acquired it? Drifter is going to be key in the story again soon, I'm sure. So my question now is, what might consciousness transfer have to do with the Traveler? Will it allow us to enter a 'mindscape' at some point to meet the entity controlling the Traveler? And that's provided there is one.
Ive been thinking the same thing about The Drifter. Hes gotta come back soon for something big, cause one of the first cutscenes he was in the nine presented a coin with a pyramid on it and told him "Keep playing the game". Makes me wonder what drifter actually knows or why he is important. Also the nine have been really silent for a while, and yea they aren't obligated at all to talk to mortals but they do seem like they have a big part to play. Or they are already playing it.
no no no no no no and again NO. The Vex do not know what the Black Heart is, its why they worshipped it. The Vex do not understand Paracasuality, its the one thing keeping them in check. The Sol Divisive's entire thing is that they worship it because they dont get it
i remember eris stating that the egregore on the leviathan was an impure form of something, can't remember what. perhaps it is an impure form of the veil, a similar purpose of linking minds, but more parasitic in nature as we see with the dead legionary at the start of season of the haunted or the cabal on the glykon.
It might have something to do with how guardians always lose their memories due to the traveler. It seems to have some control/effect on the minds/consciousness of guardians.
The Black Garden looks so much better in Destiny 1 in my opinion. The colors and aesthetic we have in Destiny 2 doesn’t give the same menacing or intimidating feeling given off in Destiny 1.
I think the destruction of the Black Heart is the reason for that. It's destruction allowed for the Traveler's influence to resurface in the garden which has led to the increased plant growth, and an overall softer appearance.
That's because we're going back to the Garden after the Black Heart is gone, with it being gone; allowed the area to "heal" in a way and have life flourish, seeing as the flowers grow and it's more vibrant that back then. It's sort of a simple concept of you know... Time passing.
The soundtrack for Lightfall is so good, and it actually holds so much emotion; each time I hear certain tracks. I can kind of feel the emotions of what the characters are feeling. The DLC wasn't exactly what I was hoping for, but the soundtrack made me more interesting than it should have been.
Anyone else curious how the Vex (who have previously not been able to simulate or understand light or dark forces) created an object that is light or dark by nature? Or maybe that is why it was incomplete and a failure.
Funny thing is that everyone is complaining that the Story of Lightfall didn't tell us anything and left so much open questions... i thought that too at first. But on the other hand doesn't exactly that make us come back, explore.. seeking for every bit of Lore we can find to figure out what actually is going on and is the Traveler really dead? Where did the Witness go and can we follow the Witness inside the Traveler? Will we call Elsie for help to discover different Timelines and figure out how we can stop it? And where the hell is Eris this whole time? I came to the conclusion that the lack of information is actually a blessing that keeps us curious. Sure the lack of emotions and empathy from the Story Characters is a shame and a big fail of Bungie, but not the Story overall.. that is my personal opinion about it
Well given the Black Heart was poisoning the traveller, and the Witness needed it to open the portal to wherever it went - I'm guessing the Veil is linked to the pale heart. "Your pale heart holds the key" The key opened the door, and the heart provides the body with life, whilst a poisoned one would kill it. Easy to tie the Veil and the Pale Heart following that logic.
@@Yangy_Young Thats what I am thinking too. Whats interesting is that I bet the veil has never been known by Elisabeth in her previous timelines. The witness was always able to use the black heart to reach the final shape in all other timelines Im guessing
What if the black heart is the Vex’s attempt at merging timelines into one, that can still be deemed a creation of the vex but also still have the paracausality of the veil. Vex were trying to push something from all timelines into one place which then became the black heart, like everything all at once manifesting in one area?
The Sol Divisive were basically kicked out of the Vex collective due to worshipping the dark, or because of what was created in the black garden raid. The closest thing the vex have to merge timelines was Atheon and all the lore surrounding that. I mean, we have every iteration of the vex in that raid; past, present and future
Doubtful. The Black Heart was created by the Sol Divisive who were distinctly separate from the rest of the Vex network due to their connection to darkness.
i feel like the veil is going to be another traveler type entity where it’s just a giant mass of darkness, just like the traveler is a giant mass of light. the traveler also have the big dark spot on its bottom, showing it’s entanglement with darkness. i’m guessing the veil’s lightshow is it’s entanglement with the light. my guess is that the veil and the traveler were once whole and now they split.
The way Brass gardeners read. Bruh. Even what we learned might have been a lie. It almost suggests that the black heart was planted there, the undying mind seems to be the vex in that lore page and from it's perspective the heart was disrupting life on the garden. That the witness placed it there. There's the suggestion of harmony after we removed it.
I just realized something, in the new raid we connect light and dark for protection from wipe mechanics right? What if the veil allows something sorta similar? Maybe by linking it (darkness) with the Traveler (light) it allows access to a protected place, such as inside the traveler? In this case the Witness is using it to get into some place presumably for the traveler’s heart though for whatever reason it may want that
@@lazyvoid7107 The black heart? If so, then yea. But the garden itself I think is actually flourishing because the black heart, and conceptual mind are gone. Without the black heart, the light isn't being taken/poisoned by it.
I really hope D3 looks like D1 but better. Everything seems so much more darker and scarier looking. If we actually lose when fighting the witness and such, it'll be another dark age. Darker than anything we've seen. Hopefully we get Dinklebot back too.
@@lazyvoid7107 ah, you must be one of the braindead fanboys who think Bungie can do no wrong. You probably cheered when they released transmog the way they did. What's it like being blindly loyal to Bungie?
Well here's the thing, it's probably meant to look lighter, I've said this to many other people but you got to remember that the black heart is gone. The light is actually allowed to touch the garden allowing to be more colorful, with flowers that spinkle the ground like abstract art. But if you are talking more about the whole games then it probably has to do with graphics. I mean older games tend to look darker and washed out, but I'm not trying to say that can't recreate that. To me, I love how bright and colorful d2 looks, it's beautiful. But like you said, when the time is right, they should give it that darker feel.
This is one of my favorite exotic missions. TO ME this mission made me like lightfall more. I like Nimbus more because of this mission and I felt that the story of destiny and this campaign, has been made “clearer” with this mission as well.
Dude thank you yes. I was kinda iffy on nimbus, I mean I liked they're personality but sometimes it would be a little too much especially for this kind of situation. But literally after this mission I liked them alot more. And I think they're joking personality really did emphasize how much losing Rohan hurt them, by using the contrast of that nimbus to the nimbus who lost Rohan.
Daily reminder that Praedyth with 256 Ishatar Collective scientist are still jumping between universes Edit. 256 for each one, I can't remember their names, only remember Chioma
Myelin mentioned an inconsistency. The vex cant replicate paracausal power, so really the black heart should be of vex origin rather than darkness. Idk if I missed it where they explain that
The vex can replicate paracasality under the right circumstances if someone or something imbues them with it. The vex mind Quaria was taken but Oryx allowed it to have most of it's free will. This allowed Quaria to replicate the power to take and would continue the loop of the dreaming city curse.
maybe the black garden is a simulation of a garden inside the traveler, a simulation of the original "garden" like the black heart is a copy of the original veil aka the pale heart that is linked to the traveler
Whoa If you notice the stuff that flies into the vex statue in the black heart mission it looks a lot like the branches and strands that explode out of Calus or any of the Disciples
Does anyone else got the dialogue from the Lost sector on nemuna Gilded Precept from ghosts saying he can still bring us back but he doesn't feel the comfort of the traveler on his back anymore but the comfort is coming deeper
Kinda cool how we just recently find traveler uses creation abilities, and we see the black heart using some form of creation to bring the statue vex to life. I love that they seem to truly have had a 10 year plan.
Did they? Maybe it's a short story but padded by filler for expansions? lots of the original content was just backstory on the races like House of Wolves, Warmind, and many of the raid lore.
The lore explained that the Black heart was found by the Vex and they couldn’t figure out what it was nor could they simulate it due to it being paracasual so they worshipped it. I’m so tired of the retcons from Bungie lol
I don’t mind retcons as long as they make sense or are explained in a logical way. These are not. It’s Curse of Osiris all over again. Like before, you’re a bigot if you don’t like it.
@MrRandomCan The problem is that 343 didn’t put much thought into their retcons. For example: I remember Bungie explaining why Halo: Reach had characters and tech never seen before. S-IIIs were still budget Spartans. Noble Team had optimal genetics to take advantage of the chemical augmentations. Noble Team still lacked the physical bioaugmentations. Mark V[b] was a handicapped version of MJOLNIR so it wouldn’t kill Noble Team. The Covenant they fight were a relic hunting faction separate from the regular Covenant Navy. All of that is lost. Now everybody and their grandmother can become a Spartan. Take the chemical cocktail and the gen 2 suit makes up the difference, rather than being limited to meet the weaknesses of the user.
NuBungie has been retconning for years. First one I remembered was when they decided to change Osiris and Saint's relationship from brothers-in-arms, sibling-rivalry brotherhood into a gay romance because they can't fathom people of the same gender just being close without being gay. Then they retconned Guardians being able to use the Light after losing their Ghost - Eris Morn's case being horrific because she had her Light devoured too - because the new writers forgot about all that and just saw Eris ghostless and Lightless and figured the same could happen to Osiris so Savathun could sneak into his place and infiltrate the tower, and also to raise tension in Season of the Chosen(?) with Zavala becoming temporarily mortal through his ghost Targe being shut down. There's more, but those are the ones that stick out most to my recollection.
@RandomCan "Ah yes, I'm going to ignore everything else this person said and focus solely on the part where he said 'gay' and wasn't overwhelmingly positive about homosexuality." Grow up, you're not helping anyone with thinly veiled accusations of homophobia.
Hey just out of curiosity does the cloud striders life span go by Earth years or Neptune years cause I thought about if they only live for ten years after there upgrades a single year on Neptune would be 165 earth years so times ten that 1650 years They probably out living every guardian and earthling if that's the case
I don’t think so because if you look at the memorial where the memories of the cloud striders are conserved even on the walls there are a lot of “tombs”
the black heart looks like strand but strand is string theory so it looks like the graphical representation of quantum particles in 9 dimensions or something. so if it's something that simulates the veil, then the veil is a quantum machine or motor I think
We need an R rated destiny. Not for cheesy sex scenes or gratuitous violence. just so we can start to approach these matters seriously and the hardcore lore it deserves. "War is hell" and while some people might have a gallows humor this is definitely not it.
When that picture pops up around 16:40, I still think about what the Drifter is hauling around. I feel like I've read/listened to some of the lore but can't quite remember at this moment.
It's becoming more and more clear that the ending of this all is gonna be us reuniting with all of our past enemies, YEs Oryx included, somehow, and we will all be fighting against the witness. Literally in a life vs death showdown. And I'm pretty sure We will actually reach out to imaru to bring back savathun. We will need savathun and Oryx together to take out Xivu Arath, who ends being more powerful then the other two sisters because she is literally thew embodiment of the sword logic. I also think there will be a reveal about Oryx knowing the truth about the worm familiar lying about the god wave, and this will play in to him actually joining our side. but thats just my theory, a game theory.
@Matthew Donovan He is dead, but his heart is in Touch of Malice. Theoretically, he could be revived by either the Hive ghosts or possibly another source of light could mend his body and heart back together, like the traveller's beam revived Nezarec.
Why is there one specific sort of gravestone of a cloud strider that's broken? Suspicious & strange, maybe another random rabbit hole but may hold some cool parts about the story or even some answers.
interesting, the true question is, if the witness is so powerful (as showcased) then why is he relying on his disciples and allies to do everything, stop the vanguard, our guardian, etc? he himself could have done it right? or pherphaps not? he is obsessed with "the final shape" its not said what he meant by that, final shape of what? but, what if, he is referring to himself? he looks like a anatural being, a being who has been perfected somehow, and its aparently very old, at least almost as old as the traveler, whenever he uses his powers we notice he has some sort of "lagging" almost as if he has other versions of himself from other dimensions fused with himself, but, unstable pherphaps, his suit also looks like a working machine, we can see it moving constantly, almost like if he is the one mantaining the fusion, we also see inumerous faces coming out of the witness head, and his voice also has a mix with male and female voices, wich would be explained by his other versions of other dimensions/parallel realities, so here goes my theory, the witness has been involved with the darkness for a long time, gaining more and more power, until at one point he reached a limit, not a limit made by the darkness, a limit made by his own body, just like every being (non gods) have limits, biological ones, like us, so he finds himself not being able to get more powerful because in the end, his power was nothing more than darkness pilled up inside his body until he reached the maximum his body could handle (just like a cup filled with water) then while being frustrated because he wants to become a god, he then started having disciples, not only to get power (like an army) but also to have support in finding a way for him to get rid of his limits, at some point he discovers the traveler and his power of light, and what it can do, and so starts persuing it, we know that process took a while (a lot of time actually) so, in the meantime, the witness had an ideia, "what if i mix myself with my others selfs from another realities into one, my biggest limitation would perish" and so he does that (in the beyond light expansion we came to know of an exo who came from another reality, the same one who guides us in the way of obtaining the stasis subclass and buy the fragments for it) after he did that, he did became way more powerful than he once was, but now two things happened, he had this "lagging" issue wich not only means he is not completely fused, it can also mean everytime he uses his powers he suffers backlashes, wich can also explain why he avoids using his powers and makes his disciples do the things instead, the secong issue would be that even tho is one of the strongest beings in the universe (that we all know of) he isin't the all mighty yet, he realized that he needed the power of light for himself to not only became more powerful in terms of raw power but also to make a balance beetween darkness and light, and to also modify himself to "the final shape" in wich he would be able to control both darkness and light at will, while being immortal, untouchable, absolute supreme, no one would be able to make anything against him, guardians would loose their powers (most likely) but even if they didn't they would probably be killed very easily since he would be so supreme, no gods would be able to touch him, since he has both powers, they would either become his underlings or just get killed by him, it would be a matter of time until he starts killing every one who is against him, and only letting the ones who submit to him live, he would have the universe all for himself, since he fused himself with his other selfs, and the exo woman from another reality says that from where she came from darkness had conquered everything, maybe theres also the chance that the witness will also fuse all the realities into one, that would have a even greater meaning of "the final shape" since it would not be only his final shape but also the universe final shape, the whole existence, if he did that, after taking his power of light and darkness that where from all the realities, he would then be perfectly fused, evolved into a new shape, and with complete control over the whole darkness and the whole light that ever existed, he would truly become the all mighty, the strongest being, of course the story will not get to that end, we are meant to stop him alfter all, but at least a fragmented reality for us to go against him with another self of us from another reality or another character who already died (like cayde) to join us against the witness, would be super awesome.
So very interesting. But just noticed that Nimbus must be non-binary. I just noticed Osiris and the Guardian don't use any gender pronouns when talking about Nimbus.
I just noticed that Ikora took credit for collecting the pieces of Sagira... Didn't we collect the pieces in the witch queen campaign and give them to Ikora?
So the black heart's creator was at the garden all this time ? We have been there twice and never encountered it.. we then find the veil and suddenly the witness decides to destroy it ?? Dam... The story is written by a sith grade student...
I dunno man, I feel like dealing with the death of your superior/partner (and moving on) would be part of the Cloud Strider 101 course, wouldn't you think?
They just go along with it, read theories then talk with the actual game devs about what is possible with the current version of the game. It's dragged out, hanging on thin ice since splitting from their publisher and they are desperately trying to make as much money as possible in the smartest most predatory ways they can. Is what it is but I'd like to see the game die now. 8/9 years of time wasting and wasting money needs to stop. I would hope for the Witness to kill people off and it be a sad ending regardless of "winning" but even then its bungie so it'll probably be some cringe uninteresting ending.
"What's the veil?" Bungie: well, it's like the black heart "We still don't know what the black heart is though" Bungie: it's a prototype of a recreation of the veil
According to Eris, it's the primordial state of reality before the universe and time. It's also believed to be where the Gardener and Winnower themselves can be found or, at least, a replica of that place.
I never knew dark places could have beautiful sites I'm talking about The Garden of Salvation of course not Europa, Mars etc before fighting the vex and taken I took paused and explored around
I don't know if its controversial but I wish Bungie would bring Dinklage back. People complained back in D1 that Dinklebot was depressing and morose, like, that's kind of the tone Bungie was going for until they wanted to add retarded emotes that makes everyone look like some tofu farting fairy or weeaboo dancing in a world that been barely holding on. Yeah I'd feel like life was a bit bleak the rest of the world/star system was destroyed by forces that want nothing more than to kill is because some alien sphere appeared before us without us asking.
ROOT RAID STORY: ua-cam.com/video/6oIexpx5vjs/v-deo.html
Today we discuss what the Black Heart is and who created it! Also the emotional journey Nimbus has after their mentor sacrifices themselves. This video was created days after Lightfalls release, but today we discuss this exotic quest!
Funny how this video came out right as i was on the last mission, i almost forgot to watch cuz i wanted to see for myself but i have 3 thoughts
1. there were no giant minotaur demigods
2. “Oh yea the GoS raid takes place in the black garden” back on that *later*
3. You can safely-ish walk around the see of radiolaria in the final boss room for some reason it doesn’t instakill nor cause DoT until you head back into the arena part of the radiolaria
why is this mission replayable?
"he's never steered us wrong before" whilst we only knew him for like 5min and then he died.
dog I thought the same exact thing when I heard that the first time
"Us" when Nimbus says it, would mean Neomuni and possibly other Cloud Striders, and not necessarily inclusive of guardians.
Its like walking into a speech and the speaker says "we" when you literally just got there.
@@randomuserame yea and Rohan really never steered us wrong he helped us destroy the radial mast
Wonder if we’ll get a memorial in the tower for Rohan.
This is exactly my thought process. This campaign was so rushed Holy shit.
When i see the Heart of the Black Garden, I see the “blob” of Strand held in our guardian’s hands in the subclass screen
Too loose and free form
@@sunhouse1244 that's just a difference in scale. If you consider the Black Heart as a black mass of Strand, there would be several orders of magnitude more of the threads.
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There's lore that says Savathun is aware of our reality, and she has plans of coming to exist here. It's so damn cool.
This is definitely a very minor thing but I do miss Mather Mercer as our Guardians VA or at least for human males then. I’ve always liked his performances and especially found his voice very fitting for a hunter in particular. The male VA we have now feels more in place on a titan than anything else. Kinda wish voices were class specific similar to the Old Republic game and not just the singular VAs we have now.
On another note regardless of the VAs themselves I still want more banter between our guardian and ghost. They’ve effectively made ghost his own little character but have kinda done so at the expense of our own. Also still want more of us actually being the main character and not just witnessing the events around other characters but that’s admittedly more of an issue in the seasonal stories. Anyways sorry for the off topic tirade but would love to hear people’s thoughts.
The male guardian kinda sounds like Master Chief now, ngl
kinda ridiculous how many years it took for us to know what the main goal of the vanillla game 9 years ago was even about
It seems a case of doing what had to be done in the moment. Sometimes you just gotta work with what you are given. We knew the black heart was poisoning the traveler so it needed to be destroyed. With new context and new evidence we can go back and investigate how and why this thing did what it did.
still waiting on the dreaming city are we not lol
I will forever miss Dinkle Bot. He was giving Destiny this distant otherworldly feeling and mystery vibe that og Destiny was really striving for.
Same dude. I’d pay good money for a Dinklebot Voice pack
Now everything just comes off as a joke. Not the VAs fault either
@@DoubleOhSilver and they’re the most witless “jokes” I’ve ever heard. Whoever writes the ghosts lines has the sense of humor of a 13 year old Marvel fan
Dinklebot was terrible man. He sounded he was half asleep all the time
Honestly. Dinklage was lifeless in the role. Everything he said felt flat and uninspired.
When I was little and first played Destiny I remember that I hated being alone the entire campaign when fighting enemies. The Hive scared me and made me stop playing. But when I got back into it I pushed through and eventually found it fun. In the end I remember jumping for joy when I killed the Black Heart.
The Hive are very terrifying. And the Vex are kind of creepy as well.....
i wasn't little when i started playing D2 and i too found the Hive to be scary haha, i remember running the other way when i saw a Wizard or Ogre
Based on this comment I can tell you're young. Imagine thinking the hive are scary and being as young as you were at the time but playing dead space when it first came out.
@@t-nanners what is the purpose of your comment?
when I was little there was only one game that scared me and it was twisted metal 2. When I was fighting black tooth I don't know why that fear started I've always loved clowns I like sweet tooth and such but something with black tooth terrified me to where I had to get my sister to play complete the game lol. I got over it pretty fast because when your sister or brother figures out your fear they're gonna overdo it until your Numb.
Osiris: "This city cannot afford to lose another Cloud Strider"
Nimbus: *cranks dat soulja boy*
It was interesting to see that black garden came back in lightFall
As a name specifically mentioned in dialogue and relevant to some story info, yes- and very cool to get more insight and linking things in the past to aspects of the current story so many years later.
But as for the location, it has been there since Shadowkeep's Garden of Salvation raid.
@@shawnkenneth5503 it was cheaper than return black garden from D1
@@SirCamWAUnfortunately by linking it they broke their own story. It was clearly stated back in D1 that the Vex didn't understand the Balck Heart and were only worshipping it. It was also said that if the Vex understood paracuasality then the Vex would just flat out win. They would be able to properly predict the future and defeat us. Now they understand the Black Heart and actually created it? They clearly understand paracuasality and I don't understand how we haven't been wiped out by them yet according to previous writing in the story. The entire raid I was just waiting for The Witness to come back through the portal just to move his fingers and destroy us. Nothing seems to make since anymore and nothing holds weight. The major enemy has the powers of a 5yr old using their imagination. The only way we beat The Witness is it fumbling the bag and taking us lightly. Allowing us to gain some power or weaken it while it under estimates us.
It was cheap and lazy. Just reuse the Garden of Salvation again…..
@@YouJGSousa Always the "Bungie is lazy" story. I can tell that y'all are getting lazy with your insults on Bungie because i see the same copypasta everywhere.
Just gotta love how they show us about to shoot our ghost with the Kavostov WHICH STILL ISN'T BACK IN THE GAME
Technically it is if you start the New Light quest, get it like in vanilla Destiny 1 but not it’s exotic version, which would be cool to bring back
You can get it lol but not bringing back the exotic version makes sense
Don’t worry. They are bringing it back
So much is beginning to make sense. The Black Heart disabled the Traveler to a lesser extent than the Veil. The Veil also definitely has egregore fungus growing on the bottom of it, egregore transferred Calus's consciousness to the pyramid on Luna, so it makes perfect sense that the Veil has allowed the citizens of Neomuna to upload their own consciousnesses to the Cloud Ark. Drifter has a ton of egregore in his ship, perhaps he found it in the previous location of The Veil after the Witness had acquired it? Drifter is going to be key in the story again soon, I'm sure. So my question now is, what might consciousness transfer have to do with the Traveler? Will it allow us to enter a 'mindscape' at some point to meet the entity controlling the Traveler? And that's provided there is one.
Ive been thinking the same thing about The Drifter. Hes gotta come back soon for something big, cause one of the first cutscenes he was in the nine presented a coin with a pyramid on it and told him "Keep playing the game". Makes me wonder what drifter actually knows or why he is important. Also the nine have been really silent for a while, and yea they aren't obligated at all to talk to mortals but they do seem like they have a big part to play. Or they are already playing it.
no no no no no no and again NO. The Vex do not know what the Black Heart is, its why they worshipped it. The Vex do not understand Paracasuality, its the one thing keeping them in check. The Sol Divisive's entire thing is that they worship it because they dont get it
@@nostalgemus-8396 i suspect we will het back to hearing more about the Nine after The Final Shape
i remember eris stating that the egregore on the leviathan was an impure form of something, can't remember what. perhaps it is an impure form of the veil, a similar purpose of linking minds, but more parasitic in nature as we see with the dead legionary at the start of season of the haunted or the cabal on the glykon.
It might have something to do with how guardians always lose their memories due to the traveler. It seems to have some control/effect on the minds/consciousness of guardians.
Always appreciate Evaze using the original Ghost voice for the callbacks to D1! Keep the memory alive.
The Black Garden looks so much better in Destiny 1 in my opinion. The colors and aesthetic we have in Destiny 2 doesn’t give the same menacing or intimidating feeling given off in Destiny 1.
I think the destruction of the Black Heart is the reason for that. It's destruction allowed for the Traveler's influence to resurface in the garden which has led to the increased plant growth, and an overall softer appearance.
That's because we're going back to the Garden after the Black Heart is gone, with it being gone; allowed the area to "heal" in a way and have life flourish, seeing as the flowers grow and it's more vibrant that back then. It's sort of a simple concept of you know... Time passing.
The lighting and saturation and contrast of the visuals for the whole of D1 looks better than D2.
@@JDxxxxxx i like the warlock floating in d2 more than d1
@@JDxxxxxx I wouldn’t say d1 looks better, but it definitely has a different aesthetic
Hearing DinkleBot again sure did hit different in the Year of our Witness 2023
I almost cried when Nimbus made space for Sagira in the Hall of Heroes. It was such a sweet final goodbye to her. 😢
Sagira isn't gone just yet. Osiris will figure out a way to bring her back.
Ew
@@Dr.Vinheim Emo kid anime
The soundtrack for Lightfall is so good, and it actually holds so much emotion; each time I hear certain tracks. I can kind of feel the emotions of what the characters are feeling. The DLC wasn't exactly what I was hoping for, but the soundtrack made me more interesting than it should have been.
Facts
1:16 God this scene gives me goosebumps. So many memories flooding back from a time when things were simpler
I wanna replay this mission so badly the nostalgia🤧
Anyone else curious how the Vex (who have previously not been able to simulate or understand light or dark forces) created an object that is light or dark by nature? Or maybe that is why it was incomplete and a failure.
Nah because it's all retconed bs lel
@@beburger2054how is it a retcon? They said it was a failed attempt, they never gave us a confirmed origin till now.
Funny thing is that everyone is complaining that the Story of Lightfall didn't tell us anything and left so much open questions... i thought that too at first. But on the other hand doesn't exactly that make us come back, explore.. seeking for every bit of Lore we can find to figure out what actually is going on and is the Traveler really dead? Where did the Witness go and can we follow the Witness inside the Traveler? Will we call Elsie for help to discover different Timelines and figure out how we can stop it? And where the hell is Eris this whole time? I came to the conclusion that the lack of information is actually a blessing that keeps us curious. Sure the lack of emotions and empathy from the Story Characters is a shame and a big fail of Bungie, but not the Story overall.. that is my personal opinion about it
Wow. That's what i said to some people earlier..
Well we know it's a darkness version of the veil but what is the veil?
Lol Yeah!
That is the question that we are all trying to figure out
The light version of the black heart obviously.
Well given the Black Heart was poisoning the traveller, and the Witness needed it to open the portal to wherever it went - I'm guessing the Veil is linked to the pale heart.
"Your pale heart holds the key"
The key opened the door, and the heart provides the body with life, whilst a poisoned one would kill it. Easy to tie the Veil and the Pale Heart following that logic.
@@Yangy_Young Thats what I am thinking too. Whats interesting is that I bet the veil has never been known by Elisabeth in her previous timelines. The witness was always able to use the black heart to reach the final shape in all other timelines Im guessing
What if the black heart is the Vex’s attempt at merging timelines into one, that can still be deemed a creation of the vex but also still have the paracausality of the veil. Vex were trying to push something from all timelines into one place which then became the black heart, like everything all at once manifesting in one area?
The Sol Divisive were basically kicked out of the Vex collective due to worshipping the dark, or because of what was created in the black garden raid.
The closest thing the vex have to merge timelines was Atheon and all the lore surrounding that.
I mean, we have every iteration of the vex in that raid; past, present and future
Kind of like the conjunction of the spheres in the Witcher , you now have me intrigued
Doubtful. The Black Heart was created by the Sol Divisive who were distinctly separate from the rest of the Vex network due to their connection to darkness.
Atheon was the Vex's attempt at merging all timelines. That's why his title was 'Time's Conflux'.
the thing I liked about this quest it takes you to the garden of salvation raid encounters then the final boss is the starting area of that raid.
i feel like the veil is going to be another traveler type entity where it’s just a giant mass of darkness, just like the traveler is a giant mass of light. the traveler also have the big dark spot on its bottom, showing it’s entanglement with darkness. i’m guessing the veil’s lightshow is it’s entanglement with the light. my guess is that the veil and the traveler were once whole and now they split.
Black Heart, Pale Heart.... that alone puts some things in perspective
this reminded me how good D1 was cinematically and musically.
That's all it was though. It was otherwise absolutely shallow.
@Knights of the Nine Felt way better and I had more pure fun. D2 feels like work a lot of times.
@@theliminalist4429 Don't overwork yourself, make sure to take breaks!
Side-by-side cut scenes from lightfall and vanilla destiny are mesmerizing
This is how every exotic quest should be. Not kill 10 vex, taken, etc and ploop, you get the exotic
Quest used to be more in deph bungie just started getting lazy in recent years
@@gister956 seasonal content problem
@@gister956 remembering the swords quest
@@gister956 We kept buying it. So obviously it's not as big of a deal as people say. Or they'd buy a different game
Compared to what quest are you talking about?
The way Brass gardeners read. Bruh. Even what we learned might have been a lie. It almost suggests that the black heart was planted there, the undying mind seems to be the vex in that lore page and from it's perspective the heart was disrupting life on the garden. That the witness placed it there. There's the suggestion of harmony after we removed it.
I just realized something, in the new raid we connect light and dark for protection from wipe mechanics right? What if the veil allows something sorta similar? Maybe by linking it (darkness) with the Traveler (light) it allows access to a protected place, such as inside the traveler? In this case the Witness is using it to get into some place presumably for the traveler’s heart though for whatever reason it may want that
This was a cool exotic quest. It was fun to see the “remains” of the Black Heart after all this time.
It looks like it's falling apart
@@lazyvoid7107 The black heart? If so, then yea. But the garden itself I think is actually flourishing because the black heart, and conceptual mind are gone. Without the black heart, the light isn't being taken/poisoned by it.
Hard to believe the cloudstriders have held off the vex at all, but then even on Europa I guess Clovis fended them off.
I really hope D3 looks like D1 but better. Everything seems so much more darker and scarier looking. If we actually lose when fighting the witness and such, it'll be another dark age. Darker than anything we've seen. Hopefully we get Dinklebot back too.
Nah you won't keep dreaming kid keep dreaming I will keep laughing at all of you D1 shills
@@lazyvoid7107 ah, you must be one of the braindead fanboys who think Bungie can do no wrong. You probably cheered when they released transmog the way they did. What's it like being blindly loyal to Bungie?
Well here's the thing, it's probably meant to look lighter, I've said this to many other people but you got to remember that the black heart is gone. The light is actually allowed to touch the garden allowing to be more colorful, with flowers that spinkle the ground like abstract art. But if you are talking more about the whole games then it probably has to do with graphics. I mean older games tend to look darker and washed out, but I'm not trying to say that can't recreate that. To me, I love how bright and colorful d2 looks, it's beautiful. But like you said, when the time is right, they should give it that darker feel.
This is one of my favorite exotic missions. TO ME this mission made me like lightfall more. I like Nimbus more because of this mission and I felt that the story of destiny and this campaign, has been made “clearer” with this mission as well.
Dude thank you yes. I was kinda iffy on nimbus, I mean I liked they're personality but sometimes it would be a little too much especially for this kind of situation. But literally after this mission I liked them alot more. And I think they're joking personality really did emphasize how much losing Rohan hurt them, by using the contrast of that nimbus to the nimbus who lost Rohan.
Daily reminder that Praedyth with 256 Ishatar Collective scientist are still jumping between universes
Edit. 256 for each one, I can't remember their names, only remember Chioma
Myelin mentioned an inconsistency. The vex cant replicate paracausal power, so really the black heart should be of vex origin rather than darkness. Idk if I missed it where they explain that
The vex can replicate paracasality under the right circumstances if someone or something imbues them with it. The vex mind Quaria was taken but Oryx allowed it to have most of it's free will. This allowed Quaria to replicate the power to take and would continue the loop of the dreaming city curse.
They can't replicate it in simulations, doesn't mean they can't build a paracausal machine
maybe the black garden is a simulation of a garden inside the traveler, a simulation of the original "garden" like the black heart is a copy of the original veil aka the pale heart that is linked to the traveler
That's been my line of thinking as well.
Veil - is not the pale heart. Portal on Traveler - the pale heart. Veil - is the key from him.
Whoa If you notice the stuff that flies into the vex statue in the black heart mission it looks a lot like the branches and strands that explode out of Calus or any of the Disciples
Yo good catch 😮
Wow, Dinklebot at 1:43 what a wave of nostalgia
i remember farming that black heart quest a lot for ez drops and bounties. saved me tons of time back in destiny 1
Ah the music and the atmosphere in D1 was just superb
i have yet to do the lmg quest line and i always wondered why Nimbus didnt seem sad. its because his grieving is in the quest line
These light fall videos are the only entertaining thing about destiny this season
Does anyone else got the dialogue from the Lost sector on nemuna Gilded Precept from ghosts saying he can still bring us back but he doesn't feel the comfort of the traveler on his back anymore but the comfort is coming deeper
Kinda cool how we just recently find traveler uses creation abilities, and we see the black heart using some form of creation to bring the statue vex to life.
I love that they seem to truly have had a 10 year plan.
Did they? Maybe it's a short story but padded by filler for expansions? lots of the original content was just backstory on the races like House of Wolves, Warmind, and many of the raid lore.
@applejuicejunkie316 im thinking that, yeah. They had a general outline and filled in the rest
those minotaurs will haunt 11 year old me forever, i wiped so fucking much
The lore explained that the Black heart was found by the Vex and they couldn’t figure out what it was nor could they simulate it due to it being paracasual so they worshipped it.
I’m so tired of the retcons from Bungie lol
I don’t mind retcons as long as they make sense or are explained in a logical way. These are not. It’s Curse of Osiris all over again. Like before, you’re a bigot if you don’t like it.
@MrRandomCan The problem is that 343 didn’t put much thought into their retcons. For example: I remember Bungie explaining why Halo: Reach had characters and tech never seen before. S-IIIs were still budget Spartans. Noble Team had optimal genetics to take advantage of the chemical augmentations. Noble Team still lacked the physical bioaugmentations. Mark V[b] was a handicapped version of MJOLNIR so it wouldn’t kill Noble Team. The Covenant they fight were a relic hunting faction separate from the regular Covenant Navy. All of that is lost. Now everybody and their grandmother can become a Spartan. Take the chemical cocktail and the gen 2 suit makes up the difference, rather than being limited to meet the weaknesses of the user.
NuBungie has been retconning for years. First one I remembered was when they decided to change Osiris and Saint's relationship from brothers-in-arms, sibling-rivalry brotherhood into a gay romance because they can't fathom people of the same gender just being close without being gay. Then they retconned Guardians being able to use the Light after losing their Ghost - Eris Morn's case being horrific because she had her Light devoured too - because the new writers forgot about all that and just saw Eris ghostless and Lightless and figured the same could happen to Osiris so Savathun could sneak into his place and infiltrate the tower, and also to raise tension in Season of the Chosen(?) with Zavala becoming temporarily mortal through his ghost Targe being shut down. There's more, but those are the ones that stick out most to my recollection.
@RandomCan "Ah yes, I'm going to ignore everything else this person said and focus solely on the part where he said 'gay' and wasn't overwhelmingly positive about homosexuality."
Grow up, you're not helping anyone with thinly veiled accusations of homophobia.
@@joshuavidrine889 no, i am going to directly say you are homophobic. Literally the only reason you take issue with it.
Hey just out of curiosity does the cloud striders life span go by Earth years or Neptune years cause I thought about if they only live for ten years after there upgrades a single year on Neptune would be 165 earth years so times ten that 1650 years
They probably out living every guardian and earthling if that's the case
I don’t think so because if you look at the memorial where the memories of the cloud striders are conserved even on the walls there are a lot of “tombs”
@@matteolu3369 true
the black heart looks like strand but strand is string theory so it looks like the graphical representation of quantum particles in 9 dimensions or something.
so if it's something that simulates the veil, then the veil is a quantum machine or motor I think
I ran on that rooftop many times, and now i see this gun sitting there for the first time? I need to be more observant lol.
Cool! So its a replica of the Veil! In other words... We have no idea what the Black Heart is!
We need an R rated destiny. Not for cheesy sex scenes or gratuitous violence. just so we can start to approach these matters seriously and the hardcore lore it deserves.
"War is hell" and while some people might have a gallows humor this is definitely not it.
When that picture pops up around 16:40, I still think about what the Drifter is hauling around. I feel like I've read/listened to some of the lore but can't quite remember at this moment.
It's becoming more and more clear that the ending of this all is gonna be us reuniting with all of our past enemies, YEs Oryx included, somehow, and we will all be fighting against the witness. Literally in a life vs death showdown. And I'm pretty sure We will actually reach out to imaru to bring back savathun. We will need savathun and Oryx together to take out Xivu Arath, who ends being more powerful then the other two sisters because she is literally thew embodiment of the sword logic. I also think there will be a reveal about Oryx knowing the truth about the worm familiar lying about the god wave, and this will play in to him actually joining our side. but thats just my theory, a game theory.
Oryx isn't alive tho
@@Qeboflu his body is floating and from my understanding he’s not dead
@Matthew Donovan He is dead, but his heart is in Touch of Malice. Theoretically, he could be revived by either the Hive ghosts or possibly another source of light could mend his body and heart back together, like the traveller's beam revived Nezarec.
Anyone else find it weird that nimbus just sits around as a vendor while the entire city is constantly under attack.
Oh shit after like 5 years we finally know. Maybe if we are lucky in the next 5 years we will know what the veil is.
omg, hearing dinklebot brings back so many memories of early Destiny days...
Man, the character's voice was so much better in Destiny 1.
8:37 Clanka droid Star Wars reference HAHA Funny XD ROOOOGER ROOOOOOOOOGER
Why is there one specific sort of gravestone of a cloud strider that's broken? Suspicious & strange, maybe another random rabbit hole but may hold some cool parts about the story or even some answers.
Wowza. 18 minutes in and I feel like I just watched some cutscenes be played to me the entire time. Played the game, you know.
“So think you can kill a God”
“Don’t think I have a choice”
Proceeds to kill every being that considers themselves gods
Nothing like Osiris thanking ikora for something you did straight to your face. 👊 🤜 🤛 ✊️ 👊 😼
Good old dinklebot. Almost forgot about him
interesting, the true question is, if the witness is so powerful (as showcased) then why is he relying on his disciples and allies to do everything, stop the vanguard, our guardian, etc? he himself could have done it right? or pherphaps not? he is obsessed with "the final shape" its not said what he meant by that, final shape of what? but, what if, he is referring to himself? he looks like a anatural being, a being who has been perfected somehow, and its aparently very old, at least almost as old as the traveler, whenever he uses his powers we notice he has some sort of "lagging" almost as if he has other versions of himself from other dimensions fused with himself, but, unstable pherphaps, his suit also looks like a working machine, we can see it moving constantly, almost like if he is the one mantaining the fusion, we also see inumerous faces coming out of the witness head, and his voice also has a mix with male and female voices, wich would be explained by his other versions of other dimensions/parallel realities, so here goes my theory, the witness has been involved with the darkness for a long time, gaining more and more power, until at one point he reached a limit, not a limit made by the darkness, a limit made by his own body, just like every being (non gods) have limits, biological ones, like us, so he finds himself not being able to get more powerful because in the end, his power was nothing more than darkness pilled up inside his body until he reached the maximum his body could handle (just like a cup filled with water) then while being frustrated because he wants to become a god, he then started having disciples, not only to get power (like an army) but also to have support in finding a way for him to get rid of his limits, at some point he discovers the traveler and his power of light, and what it can do, and so starts persuing it, we know that process took a while (a lot of time actually) so, in the meantime, the witness had an ideia, "what if i mix myself with my others selfs from another realities into one, my biggest limitation would perish" and so he does that (in the beyond light expansion we came to know of an exo who came from another reality, the same one who guides us in the way of obtaining the stasis subclass and buy the fragments for it) after he did that, he did became way more powerful than he once was, but now two things happened, he had this "lagging" issue wich not only means he is not completely fused, it can also mean everytime he uses his powers he suffers backlashes, wich can also explain why he avoids using his powers and makes his disciples do the things instead, the secong issue would be that even tho is one of the strongest beings in the universe (that we all know of) he isin't the all mighty yet, he realized that he needed the power of light for himself to not only became more powerful in terms of raw power but also to make a balance beetween darkness and light, and to also modify himself to "the final shape" in wich he would be able to control both darkness and light at will, while being immortal, untouchable, absolute supreme, no one would be able to make anything against him, guardians would loose their powers (most likely) but even if they didn't they would probably be killed very easily since he would be so supreme, no gods would be able to touch him, since he has both powers, they would either become his underlings or just get killed by him, it would be a matter of time until he starts killing every one who is against him, and only letting the ones who submit to him live, he would have the universe all for himself, since he fused himself with his other selfs, and the exo woman from another reality says that from where she came from darkness had conquered everything, maybe theres also the chance that the witness will also fuse all the realities into one, that would have a even greater meaning of "the final shape" since it would not be only his final shape but also the universe final shape, the whole existence, if he did that, after taking his power of light and darkness that where from all the realities, he would then be perfectly fused, evolved into a new shape, and with complete control over the whole darkness and the whole light that ever existed, he would truly become the all mighty, the strongest being, of course the story will not get to that end, we are meant to stop him alfter all, but at least a fragmented reality for us to go against him with another self of us from another reality or another character who already died (like cayde) to join us against the witness, would be super awesome.
So very interesting. But just noticed that Nimbus must be non-binary. I just noticed Osiris and the Guardian don't use any gender pronouns when talking about Nimbus.
Was it ever really said that the Veil is darkness? Our Ghost said it felt very similar to the Light when it got close to it
11:56 Osiris: “you have your way with words”
Guardian: “stay silent all the mission” 😂😂😂
Im just happy there is going to be content after final shape. Obviously it’s not officially confirmed but at least theres hope.
And not Elsie at that point. Also, the time travelling Vex have never been utilised really
I just noticed that Ikora took credit for collecting the pieces of Sagira...
Didn't we collect the pieces in the witch queen campaign and give them to Ikora?
Thank you for that pleasant nostalgia trip back to D1. 😌
Damn we only had spend 450 dollars to understand d1s campaign lol
Hearing Peter as the ghost brought back so much nostalgia.
Ahh yes infinite heavy in the form of synthesis oh how I wish
So the black heart's creator was at the garden all this time ? We have been there twice and never encountered it.. we then find the veil and suddenly the witness decides to destroy it ?? Dam... The story is written by a sith grade student...
I dunno man, I feel like dealing with the death of your superior/partner (and moving on) would be part of the Cloud Strider 101 course, wouldn't you think?
Witch queen made me question myself but with lightfall I just wanna ask bungie. Do they go along or was it really planned.?
They just go along with it, read theories then talk with the actual game devs about what is possible with the current version of the game.
It's dragged out, hanging on thin ice since splitting from their publisher and they are desperately trying to make as much money as possible in the smartest most predatory ways they can. Is what it is but I'd like to see the game die now. 8/9 years of time wasting and wasting money needs to stop. I would hope for the Witness to kill people off and it be a sad ending regardless of "winning" but even then its bungie so it'll probably be some cringe uninteresting ending.
The Speaker is a disciple im calling it.
I love that some people still have recordings of the Dinklebot. ;_;
Holy hell those final moments in the quest - i'm crying again damnit
I blew up the Black Heart nearly a decade ago, and I still have zero fragging clue what the Veil is.
"What's the veil?"
Bungie: well, it's like the black heart
"We still don't know what the black heart is though"
Bungie: it's a prototype of a recreation of the veil
Nimbus makes me feel good about myself. 🥰
Ah yes, our way with words. Our talk no jutsu is the best there is
What exactly was/is the black garden? Is it a throne world of sorts, an actual planet, or some cut off section of the wider vex network.
According to Eris, it's the primordial state of reality before the universe and time. It's also believed to be where the Gardener and Winnower themselves can be found or, at least, a replica of that place.
I never knew dark places could have beautiful sites I'm talking about The Garden of Salvation of course not Europa, Mars etc before fighting the vex and taken I took paused and explored around
"Have you heard of the Black Garden?"
Why the fuck would anyone have heard of it?
Hearing Dinklebot was pretty funny.
“Must be your way with words” - Osiris
Guardian: 🗿
10:08 Dude just ate that cyclops shot lol
I'm guessing the Traveler isn't a giant ball and just has it as a ship. Like how the pyramid ships are just weapons.
Today we suffer.. so tomorrow can live on..
*Melodic music*
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hEY gUaRdIAn!
I still miss dinklebot
I don't know if its controversial but I wish Bungie would bring Dinklage back. People complained back in D1 that Dinklebot was depressing and morose, like, that's kind of the tone Bungie was going for until they wanted to add retarded emotes that makes everyone look like some tofu farting fairy or weeaboo dancing in a world that been barely holding on. Yeah I'd feel like life was a bit bleak the rest of the world/star system was destroyed by forces that want nothing more than to kill is because some alien sphere appeared before us without us asking.
RIP Dinkle-Ghost. And now his watch has ended…
Oh man, i was so impatient for that video !!
What a great fucking video, beautiful put together well done👏👏
Vanilla D1 cutscenes
I forgot about dinklebot, that was some whiplash.
Always love watching new videos form evaze
We lost our beloved van guard hunter, and they replaced him with a well-endowed silver surfer knock-off for comedic relief.