How Fast Is Apple's M4 Chip? When Are M4 Macs Coming?
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
- How fast is the new M4 chip in benchmarks? You might be shocked about Apple's new M4 CPU's Single and Multi-Core speeds. We look at the speed of the new M4 chip in the iPad Pros as a test first. Also, when are the new M4 Macs coming out in 2024? Will new M4 Macs ship at WWDC2024? We cover all this and more about the M4 chip on the iPad and in the new Macs to find out when the new M4 MacBook Air, Pro, iMac, Mac mini, Mac Studio, and Mac Pro will ship to consumers.
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Thank you for having your own perspective and not just regurgitating what Gurman has said. I also believe that the M4 desktops will be released shortly after WWDC, rather than mid 2025. Hoping this is the case!
Thanks for watching and the post. Yeah, we will see what happens and I'm not sure 100% myself now.
Mark Gurman was right about no new hardware at WWDC 2024. I didn't wanna believe him. But he was right.
But how can he "know" that Mac Studio + Pro M4 will come out at WWDC 2025 ~13 months ahead?
So what I believe about Mark Gurman is that his predictions when it's products in the pipeline that anything planned for coming 1-2 months, we can probably trust that, he's almost 100% accurate about that. But when it's about 6+ months in the future, I don't believe his predictions that well.
So for example, why would Mac Studio M4 Ultra come out at WWDC 2025 when M5 has just been released or so close? It's insane if Apple will release a M5 product in may 2025 and they are still selling Mac Studio M2 Max+Ultra...
All M chips has been revealed at so called Apple Special Events if we can accept the "shadow dropped special event" in Jan 2023 about M2 Pro and Max.
So I don't expect a shadow dropped Mac Studio M4 Max in august 2024. And we have never seen any new Macs in september for 15+ years because of the iPhone events?
So as the earliest for Mac Studio M4 Max I expect October 2024. Maybe Apple will make yearly "Scary Fast" events at Halloween? What do you think about that?
It would be so embarrasing if Apple will wait to june 2025 for Mac Studio M4 Max+Ultra!
I want the M4 24 inch iMac in the same bold, bright colors THIS year...it would make a great Apple Halloween event...
I also want that but Apple is sticking to the pastel colors for some reason that is beyond me.
@@craigneidelCheapens the machine big time. Why why do they do this??
Bought M1 Air one and half year ago, with 16 GB of RAM. Perfect machine. Used, but as brand new for 800 Euros. Sold it year later for 700 Euros. Made 30k in that time on it (web developer).
Grabbed M3 Pro 14" as I wanted to connect 5k2k ultrawide which Air would not handle to full potential for scaled resolution (due to 6k framebuffer limit and only one framebuffer for external displays).
In terms of performance, I don't feel like I've got a drastic improvement, for my work M1 would still be plenty and more than I need. 20 % improvement in terms of single core is fine (for Node.js and such) but not that drastic. It doesn't matter if I compile project 2 seconds faster. Now, having 6 efficiency cores in M3 Pro is fantastic.
That's true for sure. Ram is the key in all this and just get at least 16 GB or more and the CPUs won't be that different.
@@craigneidel got 36 for M3 Pro. I could afford 500 euros more for Max but saw no reason for it given my workflow.
But yeah, 6 Efficiency is fantastic for Web development where you need to split multiple small non user priority tasks for better responsiviness
36 is great if you can swing it. Yes, the CPU will be fast enough so no need to upgrade to Max.
I think after the intro it worth to add some scenes or a teaser of your channel. I think would work perfect there and would make the video much more appealing. Almost like the time to pick-up popcorn. :D
Thanks for watching and the recommendation.
My M1 MacBook Air was such a step up from my Intel iMac that to this day I haven't felt any need to upgrade. Its 16gb with a 1tb drive so I didn't skimp on that... its as fast as can be
Yes, for sure those are fast enough for just about everything now and if I didn't have a Mac channel I would still be using the M1.
Hi Craig
Many thanks for the info.
Which is the wallpaper in the MacBook Air M3?
I got it for free on the Unsplash website. But you may need to search for it as I can't remember exactly the name.
I got a $499 M2 Mac mini base last year. I just used it to get my dream job (you can have multiple windows and tabs open and not worry). Experienced the spinning beach ball though infrequently. I should have gotten the 16GB RAM. Best computer Ive ever owned. My only gripe is You can't attach external disk drives or external SD cards without the dreaded "You failed to eject disk before shutoff" or whatever. In past unfortunately, Ive have compromised data on external drives simply by leaving them plugged in to my Mac, and getting this warning many times. Thats ridiculous. Should be able to have external drives connected indefinitely without risk of corrupting precious data. If you know a work around please drop quick note. AS for M4 computers, my priority is an upgraded drone. I love seeing Apple desktops getting better and browse their site for fun.
Did you use the eject command to unmount the drives before disconnecting them (or removing the card from your reader)?
And use a similar process under Windows, except use the USB taskbar icon in certain situations. It is not necessarily well known that this is recommended. You can "get away" with skipping this step, but it can bite you too. I have encountered many people who were unaware of this step; they'll just yank the drive.
@@dannyize Hi Danny, my external drives connected to my Macs have always forced-disconnected on a daily basis by the software on their own - despite remaining physically connected. This software disconnect occurs either when the computer goes to sleep, I put it in sleep mode, or I power it off. I am not physically disconnecting the drives at all. Nevertheless they are getting corrupted over time due to this disconnecting-without-ejection phenomenon. Thats the whole frustration. (When physically removing the drives, I usually remember to eject first and then data corruption is not a problem.
If you eject them that should not be happening. Anyhow thanks for watching the channel.
Andre stated his devices are automatically removed, i.e: "falling off line" is how I would put it. It sounds to me like they are bus-powered devices that have no external power source (my speculation). Devices like this can be finicky, although the mini should provide ample power. Maybe try an upgraded cable if possible. Another band-aid might be to make sure they are formatted with APFS, which should provide better data integrity if they do go offline. But mostly I am grasping at straws here.
I want to buy a mac as im a software developer and dont play much games. I do play some but yeah, those run natively on mac. Guess ill wait.
M4 should be coming soon.
@@craigneidel ya waiting for it
I looking to buy a full specced MacBook pro. Should I buy the m3 max or wait for the m4 max?
If you need one now I would get the M3 Max and look for a sale. The M4 could be a little while and I don't think it's going to be more then a 20% upgrade. Of course if you can wait then I would do what you feel is best.
@@craigneidel How long will we see the m4 max. Will it be released in 2025?
I would guess in the next 6 months for sure.
How about a new 32" iMac with the new M4 Pro/Max?
Maybe let's hope
Was going to buy an m3 iMac but am now wondering if I should wait for the m4? Do you have a recommendation?
I would maybe wait for WWDC to see what happens but I really think it could be around next year for the M4 iMac so you might want to pull the trigger soon on the M3. Won't be a massive difference that you will notice in real-world work. I would just get 16 GB ram if you can swing it as that makes the most difference.
@@craigneidelI appreciate your reply!
Thanks.
Waiting on new MBP m4 this fall. Coming from much older systems. It’s gonna be like a new world :-)
Do you think Apple will release Mac mini m4 pro with 64 GB RAM?
I'm not sure. It's possible due to Ai stuff but at least 32 for sure.
I'm glad the M3 Pro MBP more than meets my needs since I've only had it for a month.
Yeah even the m1 is fine so no worries.
Thanks for posting this video
You got it
I am looking forward to the Mac Studio M4 Max. 😃 Hopefully next month and significantly more GPU cores.
Let's hope we see something.
The pacing in this video has improved since your earlier videos. I agree with your analysis on the desktop macs but Apple's delivery dates don't always match what seems to "make sense". Often they are constrained by external factors ( shipping, supply chains, working environment in foreign countries etc. ) which they don't control directly. Thanks for the video. I really don't want to buy an M2 Mac Studio right now and waiting for the M4 works ( for me at least ). Cheers.
Thanks for the feedback on the videos. I still have limited time and that is the main reason for not improving quicker but I'm so swamped that I need to be efficient in some cases. But I still enjoy making them.
Very useful info sir - it genuinely helped with my buying decision. Makes sense about the M3 chips being such outcasts in the lineup
Thanks for watching the channel.
Good useful information.😎
Thanks for the feedback. The new M4 chips will be very fast when the Pro, Max, and Ultra come out soon.
The chart at 3:44 is labeled incorrectly. The "Difference" should be 43.6% and 45.2%. Or you could change the label to "Performance of the iPad16,6 compared to the iPad Pro".
Yeah, that isn't my chart and that is why I didn't mention that part. That is on Geekbench.
I have an HP laptop but i’m interested in buying a Macbook laptop for college. I was considering the M3 Pro but should I wait?
It's a tough call but the M3 is a great machine and if you see one on sale they are good enough for sure and you will be happy with it. I would personally get the deal and pick up an M3.
@@craigneidel Thanks! I ordered one today.
Nice, and good luck.
M4 supports 8k hardverno, and 4 times better gpu, does this mean that m4 is 4 times better than m2 in rendering and exporting 8k? About 4x.
I don't think it's going to be 4 times faster in real world times.
I reckon the first lot of M4 Macs will come out at WWDC. September seems a long time to wait for M4 Macs after the iPad Pro being given M4 chips.
I agree but we will need to wait and see.
What do you do predict m4 max will be macbook pro 16 multicore please give rough estimate
Maybe 20 percent faster than m3 max.
The Mini and Studio getting M4 being announced at WWDC makes a lot of sense. They’re low volume which is perfect for a chip production line that isn’t fully ramped up yet, and the MacBooks already have M3 so they can wait a while to get M4.
I agree with that but now they are talking about more M3's so not sure what is going on.
@@craigneidel Unfortunate and aggravating if that’s the direction Apple takes.
Time will tell for sure.
These BMs are from a iPad... How do those scores relate to the same chip in a computer?
They will be very similar for sure on Geekbench scores.
How about the monitors? They are pretty outdated
Might incorporate the new dual Oled tech
@@craigneidel Hopefully, they need to do those updates or I will jump to Samsung or LG
We will see but it could take a little bit of time.
I want a new M4 desk top when they hit. I am going to be using it for Final Cut, photoshop and Logic Pro. but I'm wondering about monitors. the Mac monitors are so pricey. so I was wondering, Is there a reason why people don't use a really good OLED tv instead of a Mac monitor ? I was thinking of getting like a 50 inch LG or Samsung OLed tv to use as a monitor that I could wall mount above my desk. but I am not a tech person. maybe someone could let me know if that is good or bad idea.
Yes, the M4 Mac mini sounds like it could be a great machine and the studio. There are a bunch of video on using OLED tvs if you search for them. The issue is burn-in sometimes and also the size of the screens means you need to turn head to see everything. But some people love it so it's an option for sure. I may do a video on that someday.
LG OLED is a fantastic option. Just get a C1 if you can still find them or C3, 48” may do it. Once you set it up correctly, I think you’ll be very happy. Note, my 48” surprised me with the weight, be careful with the mounting options
I think to upgrade in Spring 2025 and will buy an M4 Air 16 or 18 gb Ram 1 TB I love the Air line up especially when I am on the go but even lat home my base M2 Air is my main machine.
I have an M2 Air with 16 GB of ram now and it does almost everything I need which is nice.
I reckon M4 Mac Studios are coming at or around WWDC, I don't think Apple will wait for mid 2025 they'll want to stay ahead of the Snapdragon X Elite releases. And right now the M2 Mac Studios are a definite no-go zone for people looking for a Mac desktop (like I am)
We will see but I was hearing it's possible more M3 could be coming. That would be not what I expected but right now I'm not sure anybody knows for sure.
Do you think there will be any improvements to the M4 (not that it isn’t great now) between now & November? Plan to get a pretty loaded mbp 16. I do wish they have faceid on the new Mac’s.
I wouldn't worry about it. The M3s are very fast too and if you need one just get it.
I have been saying this. The M4 Studio and Pro will be announced at WWDC and will reflect a change in Apple’s strategy. Once the regular consumers see the rest of the M4 chips in the Pro products they will be chomping at the bit to upgrade. Trickle down technology is what makes it possible.
Yes, I think they will need to come sooner then later.
Comparing an Intel Processor based
on 7nm Lithography to an SoC that
is based on Enhanced 3nm Process.
That’s a little misleading. 😅
Yeah, but that is what they had out that was their fastest so I can't control that part.
M4 is looking pretty darn solid, especially with intel not really being competitive on performance per watt. Problem is the graphics performance is not the same as a dedicated card, and supporting software. It is good though for most use cases and of course video/photo content. And content creators.
Yes, if you are a gamer you still want to be on a Win PC.
I look forward to using this for watching UA-cam and maybe 3 tabs of chrome. Hopefully the M4 can handle it! (sarcasm)
😂
In all seriousness, this thing is a beast. I am using M1 iPad pro and that thing is WAYYYY more stronger or more useful for my use case. I can barely even use it's full potential and yes, I video edit and I do some music/voice overs on it. The thing handles everything I throw at it like a champ. I've even gamed on the M1 Pro and it does even games like genshin impact really really well. The M1's are insane but if you can afford the M4, go for it, I know I would!
Yeah, I won't use all the power of the M4 either but it will be fun to see how fast the M4 Pro, Max, and Ultra are.
So the M2 is still the top chip. Thanks.
@@griftingthrulife not top but still good today.
@@craigneidel Yeah the M3 wasn't a real rev. The M2 ultra is equivalent ot the next gen M4 when they sort out the die bridge.
Yes for sure.
Craig, it doesn't matter how fast it is. If you don't buy enough memory you won't get anywhere. It will be as driving a sports car in a school zone. Buy as much as you can. 32 is just the lowest you can go for that to take off....
I think 16 gb is enough for most users.. most being key word.
Totally agree with you! For PROFESSIONAL use, the minimum is 64GB RAM.
64 GB... it depends on what you are doing. You should get all different amounts depending on how you define professional work.
The M3 chip seems to be an orphan. Apple has skipped ahead, moved on. I would try to wait for an M4 Air if I liked that model, or look for deep discounts on M2 or M3 MacBook Air laptops. That the M4 chips are amazingly fast doesn't really matter for most laptop tasks. What may matter more is how efficient the M4 chip might be and how this may influence battery life or a redesign of MacBooks.
Maybe but I would agree with you on looking for sales on the M3 coming out soon. I think they will start discounting them more soon.
QUESTION: WHEN THEY RELEASE NEW M4 MACS, DOES ALL ACCESSORIES LIKE KEYBOARD, MOUSE GO OBSELETE CONSIDERING HOW RADICALLY (OR RANDOMLY) THEY DROPPED SUPPORT FOR IPAD PROS?
TIM COOK IS LIKE A MOSQUITO
Not sure. They do make mistakes for sure.
The M4 is over 700mhz faster in clock speed than the M2. That makes a big difference.
It could but at the end of the day it just depends on what people need. I edit 4k videos all day long with the M2 without an issue but faster is better.
I dont understand why only premium product get so high upgrade after there every new successor. Means if you look even the premium phones 3 yrs back and compare it to now you see 100%(assumption) improvement but when check same thing in budget phones you dont see that jump especially in processing power,they just focus on improving the gimmicks rather than actual power. And best example is gaming industry in the smartphone market, what was the last game you saw on mobile that made you think that it made a high level quality graphics game.
Maybe, but the budget phones have come a really long way. For what you can do with a $200 phone now is crazy if you think about it. Back in the day the budget phones were so laggy you couldn't use them.
M4 Mac mini for me.
I might pick one up too.
M4 TOPs figure?
I think 38 TOPs.
@@craigneidel the new AMD chips going into laptops end of July are rated at 50.
The M4 is what the M3 should have been. Right on the money Craig! And I thought of this too because..why did they rush that Halloween spooky Apple Event? Oh right...*Mr.Crabs Voice* Money! 🤑
Nice, and thanks again for watching.
The M4 can blow everyone away and I love the architecture, but with Apple OS running a handful of apps and half of those on VM together with a price that would more than break the Guinness book of world records, it's not a hard decision to pass on this one.
Only get one when you need it. Thanks for watching the channel.
@@craigneidel You bet.
Still with wifi 6e not 7
Ok.
And most people won’t notice the difference.
@@MrSamPhoenixtrue
I agree
Apple can’t start 2025 selling iPad with M4 and Mac Studio with M2, a desktop for profesional, this is impossible. So, this year we have to see a new Mac Studio. And is make no sense to launch a new Mac Studio this summer or fall with a almost 1 year old processor (M3 Max/Ultra). Or will they skip Mac Studio all together this year? I don’t think so, is make no sense…
That is what I basically said so I'm not sure what you are saying here.
don't waste your money right now
I agree unless you need one.
how much efficient m4 why windows stuck in old architecture totally worst
Thanks for watching.
Very confusing video
I don't think so but everyone has their opinion.
M5 will be based 2nm 😂😂 or no need to wait.
You never know
No need to wait, the M4 is very powerful, efficient, and cool.
Yeah, the M4 is as powerful of an iPad anybody will need for the next 5 years to be honest.
If Apple moved so fast from m3s, we should take the clue and avoid the m3s too...unless they are on a big sale
Yes if you can find them on sale m3s are fine.
Apple only avoid the M3 because the N3B technology inside it is more expensive like the N3E technology in M4 (it's use 25% more layers, and that increase the manufacturing cost with a significant amount). So from your viewpoint there is no problem with M3, it's only cost more for Apple to put that inside your device.
Yes, the M3s don't have an issue it's just that it wasn't what Apple wanted for the 3nm chips.
Don’t buy the m4
Ok but wht