I see Haki as the nerf to Devil Fruits, Logias specifically, to keep characters from coasting on overpowered abilities. The New World balance patch, if you will. lol
Exactly. Future sight was introduced for Luffy to be able to deal with enemies with weird abilities that are deadly on the first encounter (such as a Sugar or Perona). Haki is a compliment, not the entire system
i do like that haki allows for characters like garp , shanks and rayleigh to exist, it does make the world a bit more unique when theres a few characters who dont have a devil fruit, but are still strong enough to be feared and respected around the entire world
I love how Usopp’s observation Haki was introduced. It’s completely different from Luffy and Katakuri’s future seeing. Being able to sense people’s exact location from great distance is the perfect power up for Usopp, whose greatest strength has always been the range of his actions.
@@athzalar9476 who knows? He has his own sense of *random* or fate based justice.. So he could've legit just guessing right, because he only attacked when Luffy confirmed they were cheating him and he got pissed
Pretty much. Haki in my eyes is a pretty essential part that ensures that Devil Fruits don't become so ridiculously broken that it makes you question how a man made out of rubber is able to fight smoke and win. There are only so many "throw water at your sand opponent to punch him" moments you can draw from before it starts to become ridiculous. Haki also allows non-Devil Fruit users to actually have an impact on the story with them being able to measure up with the strongest Devil Fruits. Without Haki, you would just get the opposite problem where the strongest Devil Fruits determine strength since they are literally invincible from any normal attacks. That would honestly be far worse than having Haki as a part of the power system.
yeah. not only does haki synergize with devil fruits, devil fruits allow for diverse and interesting fights, while if it was only haki, basically everyone can attain the same thing except some conquerors
While Rayleigh is explaining haki to Luffy, he full on says that they call observation haki mantra on the sky island, so mantra is 100% confirmed observation haki
I think that he did not meant to say that Mantra may not be observation but rather question whether or not it was supposed to be foreshadowing for the concept of Haki in the first place as Oda could very much have created Mantra as a lone power that he retroactively labeled as a form of Haki. Similar discussions happen over whether Shanks was always meant to use conquerors in chapter 1 or if his stare was originally just so intense that it scared the lord of the coast away.
Haki is good for post timeskip it’s just difficult to include the advance techniques pre timeskip cause it’s kinda difficult to determine which character is using what. I like how we learn it thru Luffy and how it’s needed for the new world not so much the grand line
Well the Advanced Armament was THE first application of Armament we have ever seen tbh. Sentoumaru used it directly after he was introduced, on Luffy. 3 Admirals blocking Whitebeard's shockwave. Rayleigh's first demonstration of Armament Haki is literally the Advanced version directly (on the cuffs of Camie) and later on when he showcased it to Luffy he used Advanced as well. We all thought Busoshoku Haki was the invisible armor that extends beyond the Body *all throughout pretimeskip* . It's *after* the timeskip when Oda decided to make it an advanced version, and then he introduced the basic one and made it visible (black hardening) and yes it IS visible, anyone can see limbs and swords turn jet black even those who don't use Haki (like nami, ussop and chopper first time seeing Elephant Gun).
@MD 25 He said Sanji can use Armament Haki, just not strong enough to be visibly seen like what Luffy and Zoro's Armament Haki. As much as I want to defend my beloved Sanji, he lacks scenes where he showcase his Armament Haki. Have a look at Sanji vs Vergo, Sanji almost broke his leg from simply attacking Vergo, meanwhile Vergo is just defending with his own haki. But! I would argue that Sanji has a better Observation Haki than both Luffy and Zoro. Biggest evidence of this is in the arc WCI, the part where Sanji was about to be assasinated by Katakuri, but was able to dodge it. Even Katakuri was surprised that Sanji was able to dodge it.
Why does no one every bring up how Armament has enabled certain Devil fruit powers to work? I've never considered Haki to be the main power system, Devil fruits are. Devil Fruits create the unique and exciting powers that make combat in One Piece so distinct. Cracker's biscuits only work because of Haki, biscuits aren't actually that strong, but coating them with armament is what makes them so difficult to break. Likewise with Katakuri, getting hit by I giant mochi fist wouldn't be as destructive if it weren't as hard as steel, which armament enables. It also makes Gear Third make more sense, as filling up your fist with air would be like getting punched by a balloon. But now that it's coated in haki, it's far harder which makes more sense. Plus it's also like Luffy and Katakuri have canon ball fists which is a cool aesthetic for me and very fitting in a world of superhuman pirates. I love the video by the way and agree with all your points, I just wish you had mentioned these are more things Haki adds to the combat. I don't like it when people speak of Haki however as if it's the main thing now and has replaced devil fruits, when in reality it's added to them.
I agree but the gear third was proven destructive numerous times before haki was introduced. He blows his bones big so it is still hard, it is just bigger and more destructive.
Haki is slowly becoming the main power system though. Characters don't need devil fruits to become strong in the New World, they need Haki. That's why we have so many powerful characters like Garp, Shanks and Rayleigh post timeskip who don't need devil fruits.
How is it that whenever this human speaks, I constantly find myself agreeing despite me not even sharing that stance before hearing it? This seriously doesn't happen to me with any other UA-camrs or people in general, yet the way you balance arguments is genuinely just awe-inspiring. You're really talented
Its because of how he takes the time to seperate and clarify facts from his opinions and is formatted as a debate or a presentation of his side of a debate rather than an argument or rant and on top of that he's in no rush like how some yt bers will try to fit everything into a 10 minute video whereas he spends almost 30 minutes overall he does a very good job on these types of videos
Maybe you're just being biased since you've had other instances when you noticed how coherent and convincing this guy is, and now whenever you listen to him you're unable to rationally analize what he is saying, thus tending to consider his arguments to be true despite not sharing that stance?
@@CluelessCarter I agree with you that Crocodile shouldn’t have been surprised by water after Luffy already used it on him. but realistically speaking, I think it’s merely coincidence alongside a subpar writing choice in that particular scene.
@Carl Rodriguez In the manga it wasn't clear, in the anime his reaction was that of fear, perhaps the animators were told by Oda to do it that way. He wouldn't be surprised by water, the way he said he was implying something else
I like to believe that Shanks scaring the *sh*t* out of the sea monster was just Oda showing how scary bad-ass Shanks is, then built the power system around that
It's almost definitely what that was. Killing intent is a major staple of action-oriented Japanese manga anyway, and Conqueror's haki works exactly the way it does. That said, Oda pretty much seamlessly tied it all together, so it works out anyway.
I think so too... I mean the word "haki" is first introduced when talking about shanks... but everyone back then thought they were just talking about his strong spirit. I legit think the whole concept of haki exists because oda wanted to make shanks a more relevant character in the story.
i liked the concept of conquerors haki scaring the sh*t out of opponents. but nowadays conquerors is just treated as "armament haki 2". conquerors shouldnt be able to inflict physical damage imo. if one infuses conquerors into an attack, it shouldnt make the attack stronger, but shatter the opponents will, or something. Like in one punch man, when saitama and genos fought each other, and saitamas final punch made genos experience a vision of DEATH, even though the attack didnt actually connect, it just made him not want to fight anymore, even though he was the one that demanded to fight him moments earlier. that type of conquerors punch feels more in line with shankses conquerors stare, or luffys conquerors shout.
One thing I notice is that when Blackbeard and Luffy have their scuffle, Blackbeard remarks that Luffy's haki has improved. Luffy may not have known about haki or how to utilize it that well at the time but it's possible that it still augmented him. Much like how he subconsciously used Conquerers Haki here and there or Observation while fighting Mihawk, he also could have utilized Armanent loosely to overcome some foes who had a tough guard like Lucci, the pacifista and Marigold. Using Armanent consistently and to hit logias however would require training.
Nah thats more like he could sense the Haki within him. Luffy himself just didn't know how to make use of it. He couldn't access it until Rayleigh taught him how to manifest his will.
@@redx589 even if he can sense it within him it's still something that can be used without being learned. Asia and Coby didnt simply learn Observation they awakened it and then learned to control it, much like Luffys conquerors. Luffy could have also awakened his armament in extreme situations.
@@thatdude5990 Zoro's abilities are actually some of the most interesting/possibly hints to Haki for a long time now. When he randomly did the nine style technique in enies lobby and spoke about the voice of all things against mr. 1 but we still haven't really gotten any explanation to it. The fact that Zoro hasn't really fought that hard since the time skip must mean that those powers are hiding something juicy.
Recently we see Ulti mention that she can straight up sense Luffy's haki. Hyogoro also mentions that haki surrounds the body naturally: s6.mangabeast01.com/manga/One-Piece/0947-007.png he mentions it again after s6.mangabeast01.com/manga/One-Piece/0947-008.png I think what this means is that everyone naturally has haki surrounding their body but it is only through training or extreme danger that they can start to utilize it to do things like cloak themselves in armament haki or use Observation haki. It would also explain why Usopp was able to unlock it during Dressrosa: he was finally utilizing the haki he already had surrounding him.
I still can't get over how well the panels go with your argument. "The stronger a character's will, the higher they can climb in the world," while showing Luffy carrying Nami and Sanji in Drum Island. Morj number one OP analytical youtuber.
@@MrMorj definetly! do you have already a folder saved where you ordered and sorted specific panels when you need them? because that would be pretty convenient i assume.
Craftsdwarf had a cool video about this topic (but is no longer available) He highlighted that haki is a more organic counter to devilfruits than sea stone, because you don't need to explain it trough exposition He also pointed out that haki can open the gates for different combat styles that wouldn't be able to compete at this stage of the story, like vergo using a bamboo blow gun Some things I like about haki are how it separates the top tiers without them being invulnerable at all times, gold roger got pierced by two randos for example,which makes him feel human. And I love how it mixes with devilfruits to create situations that wouldn't work otherwise, like g4 or katakuri's sticky mace I also disagree in some of your points about the katakuri fight, because I don't think is as simple as saying they both saw the future so the ability cancels out. When Luffy started seeing a bit into the future he got close to hitting katakuri, but he still wasn't able to do it without snakeman, an ability that capitalizes in the crucial flaw of future sight. Future sight shows the defacto future that will happen, as long as the user of future sight does not intervine. If the future sight user acts the future is changed, an he has to use future sight again and process that new information, so there is a brief moment where anyone can change the future, observation haki or not. And thus luffy developed snake man to close the gap between his future sight and katakuri's. (This is also from Craftsdwarf. Beyond blood and mid battle flashback vids)
@@CombatSportsNerd by purposefully changing direction after katakuri dodges. Since he acts on the future he sees he changes it, and has to see and process a new one. So by redirecting his punches in mid air with enough speed Luffy has a window of opportunity to hit.
Yea but his point ultimately was that the khaki itself didn't add any nuance to the fight. Once snakeman was introduced, the fact that both characters had FS didn't really matter. It was just a matter of speed.
Another example not many bring up: Koushiro's explaination of the "breath of all things" that allowed Zoro to sense the rocks and cut steel matches word by word Hyogoro's explaination of Ryou (Wano's word for Haki)
breath of all things is wano's way of describing observation haki, whilst ryou (haki flow) is how they teach armament. It's dope that different countries tapped into the same power via different methods of training/teaching
@@siegpasta I'd argue an early example of ryou (haki flow) is fishman karate & jujitsu. This art of manipulating water isn't exclusive to fishmen (e.g koala), suggesting its easier for them to master given their connection to water. Just as various understandings of haki developed in different locations, I think its the same for the special martial arts in OP. Each one allows the user to execute haki applications only by following the correct forms. E.g the water shot (Arlong used on Sanji & zoro) acts the same as the kuja haki imbued arrows. The process of mastering these martial arts is the same as learning haki. Rigorously training provides the physical foundation and helps in visualising how to execute the correct form. As shown by luffy learning FS, without the visualisation one can't use a technique, e.g CP9 members always focus before using any technique, Nero mastered all the leg related techniques but not the iron body or finger pistol, and luffy replicated the shave footwork in G2 after understanding it (note: he encounter it before in captain kuro's creeping cat). There are even examples of practitioners 'blooming' in the mist of battle e.g Sai mastering drill dragon form to break Chinjao's head, Sanji running for days until he learned moon walk, zoro learning flying slashes (tempest kicks) during the skypeia battles (note: chessmarimo used significant flying slashes vs chopper), luffy using paper art (gum gum space out) against eneru. Similarly, all these techniques can be overcome as with dfs & haki e.g the heat of Sanji's Diable jambe allowed them to break through jabras iron body. The combination of sea prism stone with a reject dial used by Wyper on eneru. Luffy using the faster attacks of snakeman to counter katakuri's mastery of FS. The effect/application of any "properly" executed technique can be explained in terms of observation/armament haki, is it really just coincidence? Like how inflicting internal damage with ryou is replicated via the secret 7th move of the 6 powers, the dragon claw, the shockwave kenpo & fishman karate. So has haki made the fights more basic or is it that we now have a basic understanding of the various applications of haki in one piece fights?
I wish Oda introduced a way people who have broken spirits lose their Conquerors Haki , like those captains under kaido Then to regain it they'd have to prove their Will
That's a great idea actually, though I can see a captain with Conquerors constantly having to keep his subordinates with a kingly disposition obedient as well
If that were a thing then conquerors haki wouldn't require for you to be born with it. Instead it requires you to train your will and eventually you'll obtain it. What if a child was born poor and in terrible conditions. Always scared for his life but then one day hears words that encourage and change his mind. At that point a great change in will would ensue and that child would most likely get conquerors haki. Also just a big surge of emotions would give many people conquerors haki. That means coby has it, and if sanji, usopp and chopper change their mindset of being brave and not giving up then they'll also unlock it. A lot of people would have it.
@@calebhowlett5116 King of Lightning is the last person that would come to mind when i watch Mr Morj. Actually they could not be more antithesis to each other if they could.
@@notmahir5595 KOL has clearly some bias in certain topics about One Piece. Just watch one of the recent one piece discussion videos that he made, about Sanji. It's almost hilarious. Not to mention the powerscaling, overunderstanding scenes and such. Don't get me wrong, I like him, but he's not the person to go to when you want good discussions about One Piece.
Oda is introducing the advanced levels of Haki every time Luffy interacts with another emperor in their territory. WCI was Future Sight, Wano is Advanced Armament, and the Elbaf/Shanks arc will be when he learns about advanced conquers Haki.
Mr. Morj if someone is holding you captive and making you out out weekly videos let us know. I don't want to try and rescue you, I just want to suggest a video topic lol jk. And yes I am already a patreaon.
Hahaha yeah this is really uncharacteristic I'm not a hostage though I swear. Will keep it up next month too probably, and yeah I recognize you Wisdom, I see you in streams too. What's the topic?
@@MrMorj so you've said before in your video on black beard that that using and crushing others on the journey to your dreamy doesn't make you a king. We've also never seen Blackbeard use Conqueror's haki. But Kida does seem to have a Supreme kings spirit and his MO seems to be to break people down so they can be useful to him. And Big Mom explicitly rules through fear her devil fruit only working on those that are afraid of her so I gotta ask: Do none of the other Yonko hab have Supreme Kings Spirit?
@@wisdommanari6701 So I like the idea that Black Beard does not have the color of the King's haki. And I hope Oda either runs with that idea or that either Black Beard really does have 3 personalities/ souls and only one of those personalities has color of the King Kaido it makes sense that he has the color of the king due to both how he rules which although it doesn't seem kingly on the surface it is how you'd picture a king in the animal kingdom. I believe Big Mom's Tantrum was a display of King's haki and she does indeed have it like her son Katakuri. We just haven't seen her clash with anyone yet. But I could be wrong on my assumption that the tantrum was king's haki. We also know the late Whitebeard and Shanks also have color of the king's haki so it seems like most emperors have displayed the ability to use it besides Black Beard. And again it would be very interesting that if Black Beard became a emperor through ambition and treachery instead of having the will of a king.
The thing about future sight: just because you know an attack is coming doesn't mean you'll be able to dodge it. Think of it like this: a professional NBA player still misses some shots even though he is a great player
Then ofcourse, if you don't even undertand what you're seeing you wouldn't be able to do anything about it. Like apus attacks. Even if luffy knew he'd get hit, he didn't even understand how, let alone how to dodge it.
@@Cakecrasher I rather like this discussion it brings up things I have discussed with others. When Katakuri acts to change the future he see's he changes the outcome and therefore he become blind to what result he will bring about at least in that immediate moment. This is why he had such difficulty striking Luffy during their fight. Also one certain way to attack someone who can see the future would be to attack in such a way that they cannot avoid it even if they can see it coming. Then of course there is the fact that if they must understand an attack to avoid it, their future sight might not work. All it does is show them what will happen if nothing is changed, context is not necessarily added in.
I always loved the idea of breaking haki, like the reason croco and moria didn't have haki is because there wills where broken. They would be able to get it back tho.
@@NaturalHypertrophy It does but it's better than the idea that they didn't have it and we know they fought with top tiers in the New World so this makes it believable.
It makes sense that Haki wasnt talked about in the start because it is a power system that only the really trained/strong can achieve, meaning it's only common in the New World and not before that It wouldnt make sense that an advanced skill will show up early in the series
@MetalCrow448 they're stationed in the 1st half of the grand line cause they didnt know haki yet Only those that knows haki gets to be in the New World All New World Characters are at the top 0.5% or more of characters when it comes ro strength You should also remember that you'd get to be called a Supernova/Outstanding Rookie just ny having 100 million bounty Haki isnt the norm, haki is an outstanding ability that can touch Logia users, which most believes to be the strongest type of fruit
With the Katakuri fight, I feel his haki made the battle more nuanced. Luffy had to use a whole new technique specifically to get around Katakuri's ability to see the future because regardless of if Luffy could do it too, he was still losing until he unveiled Snakeman. Snakeman's only purpose is to out speed and overwhelm an opponent. It was really well done.
My biggest problem with the introduction of Haki into the story is that it's difficult to believe that certain characters at the higher levels of the world such as Crocodile and Ace didn't have any armament Haki. Since it now appears that armament Haki is standard for even the lowest-ranking marines and goons in the New World, it makes it seem like all the earlier instances of supposed Haki usage merely happen to fit how Oda would come to define Haki in the later sections of the story. In other words, retcons.
Except it makes perfect sense though. Croc couldn't last in the New World. Even when he reappeared in MF with countless khaki users, he operated without it. His bounty was still 80 million when he went to attack WB. It's likely he got to the new world earlier than he should've.
@@anthonyzivalich4962 I know that Ace develops haki in his light novel. Of course he would, since the novel came out long after Haki was introduced in the canon One Piece timeline. It still stands that this is a form of retconning, to make up for the fact that a Second Commander of a Yonko's crew should have had armament haki in the first place.
Crocodile hadn't it Because he focused his training in his devilfruit I would say his devil fruit power was on admiral level (because it's awakened) But his biggest problem was that if you are able to hit him he is almost done, because he didn't train his haki but actually he knew about it If he learned it after the time skip he would be a strong enemy
True cause Crocodile showed to have Haki in Marineford when taking on Dofflamingo, Akainu, and Mihawk. The problem is Haki seemed to be introduced in the latter part of the story which leaves questions on Battles in PreTimeskip arcs. Especially on how Ace didn't use not a lick of it in the Marineford arc that could've helped out greatly in the operations. Hell makes no sense for him to lose to Black Beard after seeing what Luffy did to him after one gear 2 punch with no Haki.
I love how sincere and down to earth your analysis are. You clearly have a very objective view on the whole topic of One Piece. And that's what we need. There are people out there, who criticize One Piece for the most surface level flaws without going any deeper into what the series makes so great and so beloved and what could very possibly be flawed about it. This why we need fans like you who can make well thought out criticism, positive and negative, on One Piece.
24:10 I don't think the idea that Rokougan is a form of advanced Armament Haki is controversial at all. Haki is a manifestation of one's spirit, and a big part of martial arts training is also training your spirit, so it totally makes sense that some martial arts techniques can allow you to subconsciously tap into Haki. In Zoro's flashback in the Mr. 1 fight, Koshirou explained to him how the most skilled swordsmen can choose to cut nothing or cut anything. It was the exact same explanation that Hyogoro gave to Luffy about Ryuo (advanced Armament Haki) more than 700 chapters later, but without using the word "Haki" to define his explanation. It's not controversial at all that martial arts practitioners like Koshirou, Zoro, and Rob Lucci have been teaching / manifesting forms of Haki early on in the series without even knowing that it's Haki (or at least not acknowledging it as such), especially since, as Morj said, being a Haki user doesn't automatically make you stronger than a non-Haki user.
It is controversial because it denies the character of Law and his abilities. Remember how his strongest attack was a operation who destroys the enemy from the inside? But what happens if you present a gimmick who can do the exact same? If a nobody like Luci could use it unconsciously... or Luffy learning it in a week... It just breaks the power system because it exposes how haki can "copy" the uniqueness of devil fruits. Shanks nullifying Akainu's fist just like the darkness fruit, Big Mom and Kaido having impenetrable skins just like the diamond fruit, etc.. Haki seems like a multifaceted gimmick who kinda denies the devil fruits (in a literal way). The whole point of one piece are the devil fruit uniqueness and crazy traits, a direct reflect of the author's creativity. But that is not the case anymore.
I believe tha reason haki was shown so scarcely pre timeskip is that Oda initially decided to give haki only to the very strongest /most important characters. Like with conquerors haki now, only one in a million would have it. But then Oda decided otherwise and gave haki even to charaters like Pekoms and Tashigi.
Haki is fine for what it is, and it plays off of devil fruits pretty well. I’m not expecting Oda to just drop a system with the complexity of nen like HxH or the sheer insanity of Jojo, but it is serviceable. I just wish the fights were more intricate.
Haki would be a lot better if weak people could use it so they'd still be SOME threat to powerful characters. The idea that it can simply knock much weaker people out of the threat zone feels cheap.
How come no one has a problem with characters fighting before haki was introduced? back then instead of haki it was just simply strength or technique or fighting styles. Now it's the same but with haki and logias aren't absolutely broken
People grow up and feel like nitpicking is a reasonable hobby. Personally, I liked the concept of broken logia users. Made them all see like biss fights that require a lot of strategy to overcome. Sir Crocodile and water or Eneru fighting an isolator just being the tip of the ice berg
The difference is that a person who Is weak but has good strategy can win a fight. Compared to haki which is an armor that can't be broken with any form of strategy or physical strength.
@@massojupiter3436 Exactly, if Enel had armament haki Luffy's insulator staus wouldn't have mattered at all, taking away an interesting and creative solution to the lightning logia problem. Haki would have diminished that situation.
itsxtray It wasn’t a creative solution, it was plot armor, lol. Introduce an unbeatable foe and then just say the MC is the only one who can touch him. Without haki, people would have to fight Akainu with ice cubes solar panels. That stuff would get old, especially since Luffy isn’t an analytical fighter
I'm not even joking, you should be one of Oda's editors and/or advisors. Not because of this video alone, but because of your whole channel. I've been a fan (and subscriber) since way back when, and your knowledge is impressive. Not only on One Piece stuff, but also regarding story structure, plot themes, character analysis, etc. as constructs/concepts (that you then proceed to apply to One Piece), which is why your videos are absolutely amazing, and why you are my favourite OP youtuber. You always manage to discover little (big) details that make me realise One Piece is even greater than I thought it to be (which is already a lot, it's my favourite story regardless of medium, in which I include other anime, manga, movies, tv shows, books, you name it), and making me appreciate it even more. Kudos to you, and thanks for another great video!
I've gotta disagree with your analysis of the Snakeman vs Katakuri fight, and with the fandom's general whining about future sight that came up in respect to the Ulti and Apoo (not that you've been part of that). We've been shown that there's more nuance to what is generally called future sight than just literally being able to see the future - think of the wedding scene from WCI. First, of course, there is Bege's explicit comment that just because Katakuri is the only one present who can see the future doesn't mean he's the only one who can *change* the future. Second, of course, there's fact that when Katakuri realizes that the priest is going to be prevented from shooting Sanji and has him shot early, Sanji just dodges the bullet. Because Katakuri isn't aware of Sanji's full capabilities, he's unable to effectively "keep the future on track" the way he wants to, and Big Mom's plan is disrupted as though he was not there. Last, there's the moment in the Katakuri vs Luffy fight where Luffy is shot by Flampe. Katakuri doesn't react to that until after it happens, and initially isn't even aware of what's going on, because he's not aware of Flampe's presence. All of this leads me to the following analysis: observation haki is, at its core, the ability to read the intent of your opponent. That's what we're shown in the arena at Kuja Island, that's what every mantra user except Aisa and Koby does, and that's what Rayleigh demonstrates when he's explaining haki to Luffy. This also fits with Sanji as the member of the monster trio who specializes in observation haki - he's always had a very good read on people's intent, from all the way back when he fed Gin. Advanced observation haki amounts to taking that read of intent and going a bit deeper, into what they *expect*. This is how Katakuri is initially able to evade all of Luffy's attacks - he's just reading where Luffy expects his punch to land and then not being there, whether by conventional dodging or by reshaping his body to avoid the hit. This is why Snakeman is so important to Luffy's victory - when he throws out a jet culverin, he doesn't have any expectation about where his punch is going to land, just that it'll hit Katakuri eventually, because he can keep redirecting the punch after it's thrown. Katakuri could probably just evade and evade and evade, and effectively run away from the fight (just like he advised Luffy to do at the beginning), but he can't do that while also remaining in range to attack, and thus can no longer attack Luffy with impunity. In the Apoo fight, the question is what Apoo intends and how his devil fruit works. Under this analysis, even if Luffy had his observation haki up, all he probably got from Apoo was something like "I'll make this weird noise and then they'll be cut/bruised/exploded", with no real mechanism by which he's aiming or even hitting, and thus no real way to respond other than to throw up a bit of armament haki. And for the Ulti fight, I think the key thing to remember is that Luffy has not been challenged in Wano by anyone remotely close to his caliber. Queen he probably wouldn't have underestimated, but everyone else he's fought in the arc has been varying degrees of "pretty tough" but otherwise a joke. My guess is that he assumed Ulti was someone like Hody - not really a threat to him, just ludicrously tough and annoying to put down. He probably figured that whatever she was going to do when she grabbed him wouldn't amount to much, and thus just let himself be grabbed because that sort of thing has worked to his advantage in the past. Then he realized how strong she actually was, and briefly freaked out - until Yamato showed up with every expectation of knocking her unconscious.
The major problem I had with haki was at Marineford. Let's assume that black coating is a slightly higher level of armament haki. So all the strong fighters were just reluctant to use it despite being in a life or death situation?? Or were they not even capable of that?? I mean wb could have easily dodged the bullets and stabs if he used the coating. So the strongest man in the world didn't even master CoA? I mean just look at how durable other yonkos like bm, kaido are.
Haki wasn't shown as something visible in these early days. Rayleigh for example definitely used Haki against Borsalino, but that wasn't shown either. The question is whether the black depiction of armament haki actually exists or whether it's just an abstraction that makes things easier for a visual medium like manga.
00:00:00 ⟾ Intro - nuance, format 00:00:56 ⟾ HAKI AS A CONCEPT - Introduction: late, organic 00:02:12 ⟾ Introduction: early hints/traces 00:02:53 ⟾ Introduction: matching themes, willpower = strength, spirit, ambition 00:05:16 ⟾ Combat: mostly simple/melee physical style 00:06:36 ⟾ Combat: stronger, varied abilities, keeping old style 00:08:06 ⟾ Combat: no added nuance, Luffy vs. Katakuri 00:10:38 ⟾ Combat: more basic, Zoro vs. Pica, Law vs. Vergo, Luffy vs. Doflamingo, Luffy vs. Cracker 00:12:33 ⟾ Combat: not just Haki, use of devil fruits, Gear 4: Bounce-Man, Luffy vs. Sandersonia-Marigold 00:13:32 ⟾ Haki as a Concept - Summary: introduction, complementary, retaining combat style, lack of nuance 00:13:57 ⟾ Advanced Haki - more nuance?, incorporating 00:14:22 ⟾ ADVANCED HAKI - Concept, Different Branches 00:16:14 ⟾ Advanced Haki - Potential, Rayleigh teaching only basics, Improving (only) in Battle: Luffy vs. Crocodile 00:18:30 ⟾ Improving Via Training & Battle: Armament Haki 00:19:10 ⟾ Lack of Clarity: Black Coating 00:20:56 ⟾ Lack of Clarity: Future Sight 00:21:44 ⟾ Advanced Haki - Early Examples: Rayleigh at Sabaody, Admirals at Marineford, Sabo at Dressrosa, Lucci at Enies Lobby, Shyarly at Fish-man Island 00:25:23 ⟾ Advanced Haki - Summary: clarity, rules 00:26:41 ⟾ Summary 00:27:13 ⟾ [Promo]
I’m interested to see Sanji’s and Zoro‘s growth as well. Will they unlock advanced Haki in any form? And they will definitely have become stronger to able to defeat King or Queen. Sanji may have his Raid Suit and Zoro Enma but I don’t think that is enough of they don’t have Haki matching King’s or Queen’s. I really don’t like how some people say that Zoro is already on King’s level because he clearly isn’t. A whole other topic is: if Enma and Shusui are of the same grade, Zoro‘s strength shouldn’t really change switching from Shusui to Enma. Or are grade and strength of a sword not related? Or maybe Zoro couldn’t unlock Shusui‘s full potential/ability because he wasn’t strong enough? Shusui is a Black Blade though so technically it should be strong by itself (I’m heavily implying here that Enma does in fact make Zoro stronger than Shusui did, at the moment at least, because it wouldn’t make sense for Zoro to get a weapon that ultimately makes him weaker). Also, does Enma have the ability to store and release Haki to make one Haki infused swing have stronger Haki than it’s user could initially release or to create some kind of Haki burst/blast? Do all of the better swords have a special ability we don’t know about yet, if not why is Enma special in that case? Or do all of the other strong swords just require it’s user to have really strong Haki and Enma doesn’t actually have a special ability but just introduces us to better swords with Shusui being an exception since it’s already a Black Blade? A lot of questions but I think it’s definitely something worth discussing over, may it be in a comment section.
I think zoro will may make the enma to black blade to beat king. and shusui (black blade version) and enma(non black blade version) are of the same grade. so, black blade enma might be stronger
Joyboy’s theory of swords having spirits and individual characters is interesting. Clearly Enma (“cut through to the bottom of hell") and Ame no Habakiri (Snake-Slayer of Heaven) were described as to separate swords with distinct characters. Then you factor in cursed swords, that hunger for blood. It seems each well crafted sword has its own distinct character. Enma’s character just seems different from Shusui’s.
Zohra Beslem They definitely don’t have either. Just because they specialize in one form of Haki doesn’t mean their Haki is the best or already on an advanced level. Luffy’s Observation Haki and Armament Haki should be much better than Zoro’s or Sanji’s. Again: just because Sanji specializes in Observation Haki doesn’t mean his is better than Luffy’s. Some low level scrub that knows only the very basics of Haki could specializes in Armament Haki but still get easily outclassed by someone else that specializes in Observation Haki.
I agree. Haki walks a tight rope between clarity and ambiguity. I think Oda feels that explaining these things too precisely would shackle him as a writer.
One thing I think you overlooked is that Haki was needed to increase the scale of one piece. If haki was never developed then whoever had the stronger devil fruit would win. Logia's would just be gods of one piece with no counters. You say it hasn't added much nuance but what it does is it increases the ceiling on power. Without Haki how does Luffy ever go past gear 3rd, honestly want more can he do with rubber. Because his fruit is more limited he needs another aspect to add to his moves. Katakuri would be much weaker without haki. Mochi is very soft and not very offensive. That Luffy vs katakrui fight would literally not happen if not for Haki. Oda just used haki to remove that cap on one piece strength. One piece is still going so luffy needs to get stronger and needs more moves. Devil fruits are too limiting on their own. So I would argue that it does add nuance because when combined with a devil fruit powers, haki widens the scopes of fights in both power and variety.
"If haki was never developed then whoever had the stronger devil fruit would win" *100% false. Buggy's DF is stronger than most DF users in the pre-time skip One Piece, he was still weak. Luffy's DF is actually pretty weak, yet he beat Crocodile and Enel. Sugar has one of the strongest DF's in the series, but she's so weak that she's just a minor antagonist.* " Logia's would just be gods of one piece with no counters" *Except Sea Prism, or just the Sea itself, or the elemental weaknesses that Logia's posses (water for croc, rubber for enel, ect)* "Without Haki how does Luffy ever go past gear 3rd" *Awakening. Imagine Luffy bouncing around in a giant rubber room over over at faster and faster speeds.* "Katakuri would be much weaker without haki. Mochi is very soft and not very offensive. That Luffy vs katakrui fight would literally not happen if not for Haki." *Mochi is sticky and can trap you, give Katakuri a Sea Prism weapon. There you go.* "So I would argue that it does add nuance because when combined with a devil fruit powers, haki widens the scopes of fights in both power and variety" *Absolutely not. You no longer need to play against the defensive attributes of DF's.* *How do you hurt Buggy? Haki.* *How do you take down Luffy? Haki.* *How do you hurt Crocodile? Haki.* *How to hurt Ace? Haki.* *How to take down Enel? Haki.* *So on and so forth. All the charm of DF combat is gone.*
@@namuking6532 Thats because all of those fight where designed in way that Luffy could beat them. Water vs Sand.. Rubber vs light. Oda cannot go like this forever.
Lucci may have been using basic, unrefined armament haki as well. While the main way he damaged Luffy was using Rokushiki and his Devil Fruit to pierce and cut Luffy, there were moments where his blunt-force attacks seemed oddly effective. Not to mention that Jabra seemed shocked at how strong Lucci was when when their Doriki was measured, so haki may have been the key to taking Lucci a step above the others.
What about that moment in the paramount war when Luffy redirected his gun gum bazooka, when he had a sudden vision of Mihawk lopping his arms off? Was that observation haki, or just a sudden strike of common sense?
Before introducing advanced levels of haki (future sight, advanced levels of armament) the system wasn't that good because the person with stronger haki always won. Only devil fruits could mix things up. Now it's good.
Hey Arnold agreed. Oda showed multiple times where Devil fruit compensated for lacking haki. Pica was entirely relevant due to his Fruit despite Zoro dwarfing his haki in the end.
@@heyarnold7256 like Morj said physical power can overpower haki but in case of both haki users like Zoro vs Pica it was stated that if Zoro had weaker haki he wouldn't have cut him.
Pre watching the video. I hate conquerors haki. It just feels like glorified crowd control all to make clashes look a little more exciting which isnt really needed as the story sets up clashes pretty well so a bit of coloured electric doesnt really add anything. Plus, im never a fan of powers that only a select few can have without earning them. Armament and Observation on the other hand i really enjoy as it helps keep devil fruits in check by giving non df users a chance and i enjoy the creative ways they've been used so far.
It'll be relevant once Luffy needs to learn it and it'll be such that no characters before this knew about it because only a few select know about it. That's how haki in general was introduced. We got to the point Luffy's strength was capped then boom here's haki go train. Same with future sight, I bet top dollar we'll see advanced CoC have this insane hax ability that will be relevant when Luffy needs it.
i really love the simplicity of the haki system and even after re-reading most of one piece i can;t really find anything that stands out except sometimes characters like admirals acting surprised when they encounter a haki user. Aokiji is surprised about marco und vista using haki? lol The only thing that bugs me is that Luffy ended up saving Ace from his initial execution with conquerors haki. Like no one else in Whitebeards alliance could have done that? What about Whitebeard himself?
Damn I can't believe I never caught the fact that the Admirals were probably using advanced Haki during the war. The power of the Marines makes so much more sense to me now.
Every fight anyone uses Haki on a Logia user is an example of Haki adding nuance. Otherwise the Logia user would just win 99/100 times. Then there's Gear 4th, which can't exist without Haki. What do you mean it doesn't add nuance? Without it, Oda would have to make sure every Logia type has some arbitrary weakness the Straw Hats can take advantage of. Wouldn't that get stale?
haha "and then oda chose the simple route" is ultimately everything it boilds down to in one piece and all its survace-level complex themes ^^ its underwhelming :D
21:41 isn't not about it being convenient it's about being dramatic. For example if Luffy had used future sight and dodged Apoo's attack how do you stablish him as a threat? How do you show his powers without someone getting hit by them?
That's oda's problem not the fans why do you have to put luffy down to establish apoo as a strong foe do that to anybody else it already seems impossible for luffy to defeat kaido and stuff like luffy getting kod even for a second does not help. My main problem with apoo is not that he was able to hit him but that it was enough to ko him even if it was momenterally. The same luffy who fought kat for hours and did not get ko once and on top of that went on to train his body in the prisoner mines gets ko'd by a fucking explosion it's inconsitent af.
@@ZeroCool007x Yep. An easy fix: just show luffy getting hit, suffer some damage (that's ok), but don't show him being knocked out. Maybe the anime will show the "knockout" in a different fashion, at least I hope so. As for Luffy not predicting the move, we can let that pass. He was not focused on the enemy, neither know how the attack worked... so, even if he predicted, he would suffer damage anyway.
I like how you start off saying it's been 400 chapters since Haki became stardard so now its a reasonable time to start talking about. As if 400 chapters is reasonable in anything but One Piece. Hilarious.
I think that the lack of future sight in the final act of katakuri's battle was cause by the lenght of that Battle. The two characters stamina might be finish, so they couldn't use their observation ability very well. Or another hypothesis might be that katakuri sees Luffy's ability improves and he realizes that using future sight hasn't anymore efficient. Good video by the way
Imo haki is *way* too generic. To the point that anything can be explained by haki and pretty much all characters going forward will have similar haki abilities, bcs they simply become a requirement. Oda should have introduced different kinds of haki as separate magical abilities one obtains in different ways with no expectation that future characters will have the same abilities and with each ability being clearly defined.
If Oda did that, it would heavily contradict the story as there are already seperate abilities already (devil fruits, rokushiki, weapons, hashouken, fishman karate, etc), haki is basically the only ability that levels the plain field for every one else and makes the fights even possible most of the time, I don't see how haki is generic as we spend most of our time in the new world seeing different devil fruits, weapons, and fighting styles, most people don't even use haki in the series Soooo I don't get your point.
The thing about haki is that it is a kind of “power-up” the same way a non-devil fruit eater can beat a devil fruit eater, is the same way a non-haki user can beat a Haki-user, having a devil fruit or haki is a great help, but it doesn’t define the results of the battle before its start. Haki is necessary because some logias are completely overpowered, Luffy only could beat Enel because he is made of rubber and beat Crocodile because he was covered in water, but how can you beat fire, magma or even light?? And to sum up, it’s kind of necessary to learn it to go to the New World, after all, it’s a dangerous place and you need all the help you can get, Zoro awakened his haki against Mr. 1, a long time before the time-skip and Usopp awakened his in Dressrosa, meaning they don’t NEED haki to all it’s battles, but sure it does help them
But, as you said haki means ambition or aspiration or drive. basically another word for willpower. Which you already concluded, the guy with the stronger willpower will ALWAYS be stronger because it literally equals strength. When they say "your haki is stronger than mine, therefore you can cut me" is just the same as saying "your willpower is stronger than mine, therefor you can cut me". I don't see a problem here, it's fully consistent with what was before also I think you thought Zoro was cooler when it was mysterious about HOW he was able to be so good with the swords, ofcourse that's still how it is. But the reason he can cut others is because he has a stronger will than them, aka stronger haki. That Zoro could cut Pika has nothing to do with swordsmanship being thrown under the bus at all. It was purely willpower. The "problem" as you want to make it out, is that the oponents has gotten so strong that the already superp swordsmanship from Zoro means less and yes, obviously! When they, in the beginning of the series, only were fighting easy targets, ofcourse his super swordsmanship played a bigger role than what it does now. By every arc the difficulty of the oponents increased until we got to the timeskip, where it shot up dramatically but, so did the strawhats powers aswell in order to stay in check with the power of their enemies in the New World. It's truely a timeskip in the essence of it, so that we could finish the series sometime :D hehe So, I really don't get your opposition to the idea that the fights have boild down to "my will is stronger, therfore I win" because each oponenet is so good that each of their own "combat skills" cancel eachother out. I actually see no problem with this and think it's way cooler that some of those guys in One Piece are so strong purely because of their will, that they can punch some people out with just a finger. Its mysterious and cool. There needs not to be more complex combat, even though we will get that with Luffy (invetably) if we don't want Luffy to go around 1 shotting every enemy (which we already have seen, is NOT the case). TLDR: HAKI FOR THE WIN.
12:00 On the point of Stringfruit, sword and the interaction between luffy and being cut. Here is how i interpret those scenes. Luffys weakness is being cut, so a haki clad sword can cut his haki clad rubber fist. Doflamingos strings didnt really cut in the same sense that a sword does. They force apard those things that in the way of it, given enough force is provided. Plus luffys gear forth makes his rubber qualities better while giving him protection. So the fact that doflamingo cant "cut" him, is because he has no real ability to cut him. His strings dont work the same way that swords do. Dont know if i am right on this but i also dont know of anything in the one piece verse that disproves me
There's no need to go too deep, especially considering how Doflamingo is a utterly broken character. He and Madara are infamous examples of antagonists abusing the plot armor. Madara had a convenient jutsu for every ocasion, lol Doflamingo is just overpowered for no reason, he can even lock up a freaking admiral, lol and a warrior trained by Mihawk, Zoro and Fujitora can't cut the damn cage. If the logic of the plot got trowed out of the window in favor of (yet another, again, again) "time bomb" plot device, then it's useless to find any logic in a character like Doflamingo. He was just strong, Luffy was somehow stronger (in fact, Oda's back to the basics, rubber >>> strings, the best devil fruit wins).
I’m sorry but that’s not how it really works, yes luffy’s weakness is blades but, as oda said, if a users haki is stronger than the other users haki, they can’t cut them. If we were going by your logic then any swordsman can cut through luffy’s armament haki, but this wouldn’t make any sense. I’m going to show you an example. If luffy’s armament haki is stronger than zoros haki, than zoro can’t really cut through luffy’s armament haki because luffy’s haki is stronger and better.
Well in databooks it was also comfirmed that Shanks was a Yonkou at the start of the story, so unless Oda puts this information in the cannon storyline i don't believe it.
I always assume some character luffy fight pre-timeskip, especially lucci and cp9, had some knowledge of haki, going back i'm assuming the rokushiki are in some way an applied form of haki, especially shigan, tekkai, and kamie Lucci and crocodile had some knowledge about haki, they're just not saying it with some weird dialogue like "aah, so you don't know how to use haki, heh?" we don't see black coating pre-timeskip because luffy didn't aware of the concept of it yet
Any system can appear inconsistent if it isn't used according to a person's head canon. It's kind of like saying the force in Star Wars is inconsistent because people don't spam it between every saber parry or worse, that every duel is badly written because of it.
@@uncleiroh4650 I agree somewhat but I don't get what thar changes to my argument? There are plenty of instances where Haki isn't used for ??? reasons.
I feel like all Haki types will get explained in a lot more detail once Luffy meets Shanks again, along with some hints about the plot connection that at least Conquerors Haki has.
(Commenting before watching) haki was a good addition to the story however the weird it’s portrayed especially PTS raises questions, there’s no reason croc and moriah didn’t atleast have armament and luffys blooming mid battle vs KAT was kinda cheesy
It works well tho in the story of once piece, it is shown many times that the strongest wills are ontop of the world, as well as how well it works in terms of story like the luffy vs katakuri fight where katakuri has a very strong will and was fighting for what he thought was right but throughout the battle strays more and more away from what he thought which would make his haki grow weaker, especially in the end when he gives up since he has no reason left to fight luffy. Luffy also as a character works well in it since he is strong will personified, if luffy says he will do somthing he will do that, that is displayed through his words and his actions, like for example at the start where he says casually that he will become pirate king and doesnt care if he dies trying since he will become the pirate king, and it is also shown through action like how luffy managed to climb up the drum rocks that were 5000meters high barefeet, wearing little clothes, carrying someone on his back and with his teeth, and without gloves either, IN A BLIZZARD, and not only does he do it, but the first thing he does when rescued also is to tell them how much his friends means to him, and he still has the strengt and will to do this after all that. So it may to simpletons seem like a plot armour ability, but its sort of poetic and inspiring to see what Luffy does
In present time, I think haki gave much needed structure to levels in One Piece. But there have been times of inconsistency especially between parts that were drawn years apart. Its only natural, I don’t hold it against Oda. He’s probably just trying to maintain sense in powers, not focus on it like many fans do. He cares way more about the story than power-scaling.
Doflamingo was one of the character pre timeskip that I do not want Luffy to ever mess with. He seems to be too OP. During pre timeskip he can manipulate people like puppet and easily cut off someone's head in a blink of an eye. But during the Dressrosa arc, Doflamingo only used the puppet technique once and that was after Luffy recovered his haki and before dealing the last blow. Doflamingo also never attempt to cut off Luffy's head. His entire ability became too obvious whereas during the pre timeskip he is somewhat invisible, and that create tension and suspense. Where will his attacks come from? When will he attack? If I let my guard down, he can cut off my head easily. But all of that tension is gone when he used "Overheat" or his awakening, which made all the strings so visible and easy to dodge. In the end it became a generic melee combat to see who hit harder.
Haki isnt a power system like normal power systems are. Usually you look at the technical aspects on what power systems add on to fights mechanically. This is not what the purpose of haki is. Haki is very clearly not designed to be the main power system in one piece not even being introduced/concieved until several hundred chapters into the story. Where haki shines is in delivering thematic resonance. It literally means willpower. It is the function of how the world operates. People who have the will to put their ideals and life on the line grow in strength while those who give up on their dreams and lose their drive become weak. This is no more clear in characters like crocodile and moria. With crocodile we literally see him regain his drive and become significantly stronger in the story. In a story with main themes incorporating inherited will and fighting for what your believe, I think its pretty beuatiful that willpower itself is strength. So is haki a bad power system? kind of. but thats not what its meant to be.
One thing you missed is Garp being able to hit Luffy - clearly Haki. Your theory that black armament is a slightly advanced armament would still hold true. The bigger thing that I still need clarity on is Doflamingo slicing Crocodile’s head off in Marineford. Was this just a case of Doffy not using his armament in order to glade Crocodile into teaming up? Or is this a slip-up by Oda? Crocodile should not have advanced observation Haki, as established in the Luffy fight. The problem lies in that Crocodile was portrayed as being able to hold his own against most of the fighters (Doflamingo included), which should not be the case without observation or armament.
About the Doffy and Crocodile one... It was the first one, being the case that Doffy wanted to recruit Crocodile as his ally. He was just teasing him. In the anime you can even tell that Croco wasn't surprised for that attack at all.
And the fact that Crocodile was able to hold a fight against a lot of fighters in Marineford meant nothing due to him being unable to truly damage Akainu for example when he cut him in half. It just meant that he had a great physical strenght enough to keep up in certain areas that do not required Haki. Luffy, unable to use haki did also a great performance there. The video itself explains the importance of phisical fights in the series.
@@ThatAlphamonDude17 Crocodile didn't sense Doflamingo. If he had observation Haki, he would have been able to dodge Luffy's punches. Doflamingo was playing, sure, but had he not been playing, he could have easily killed Crocodile right then and there. That is the issue. Luffy not fearing for his life made sense due to his disregard for his own safety in rescuing Ace. But Crocodile not fearing for his life getting cut by Doffy, or attacking Akainu or WB doesn't make sense given his cautious and meticulous nature. He was portrayed as being able to hold his own, when he shouldn't actually have been able to do so. The only way this would make sense is if it were established that Crocodile had enough Haki to see Doffy attacking him, or damage Akainu (using armament), which we have seen to not be the case due to his fight with Luffy. To be honest that early Crocodile fight is such a big plot-hole in regards to power-scaling and haki. I understand Oda didn't know how long the series would last, and he created a good narrative structure around the Alabasta saga, but consistency wise it should have been a post Moria arc.
@@ThatAlphamonDude17 Also, physical prowess doesn't make sense. Luffy was shown to be physically stronger than Crocodile. Crocodile just had a hax devil fruit at the time
@@rahulsinha6862 Doffy already expressed his interest in recruiting Croc before the head cutting thing. Don't see why he would be scared then. It's even possible Croc understands how Doffy operates a bit since they were shichibukai for quite a while. And I don't really agree with the attacking WB or Akainu part. He attacked Akainu at exactly the most cautious time, Akainu would have no intention pursuing Croc because of it since he has a bigger fish to catch. With WB, this is the man who crushed his dream and maybe even the reason his hand is gone. Croc has been shown to get worked up even in alabasta. I disagree with your statement on Croc's placement in the story. It was perfect.
as a Gamer I would like to put it this way, A AWM has high damage (df) but in a 1v1 it can be defeated by a lower damaging gun (df) with help of maxed out/better attachments (haki). I think Katakuri vs Luffy very similar to this means having the same guns and same attachments, that is the reason the fight could go either way and decided to tied in the end. Now if a case where someone has broken weapon (df) and best attachments (haki) how can someone counter that ? well the answer is simple, "TEAMWORK AND NUMBERS". There's a reason Luffy or Zoro can't defeat Kaido on their own. Its like an Admiral vs Yonko scenario, 1 admiral (suppose luffy) can't beat a YONKO (Kaido) but 2 admirals (AOKIJI+AKAINU who have extreme teamwork and experience with each other) can defeat a YONKO. But because Luffy and Zoro are not strong enough they need a 3 admiral (LAW/ KID) to defeat Kaido.
I don't know if this can be called a problem, but sometimes I feel like a visual presentation of how strong the haki of somebody is, would be helpful. Especially armament haki. Otherwise we have to be told whose haki is stronger
For the sword version of haki, I believe the sword grade indicates how much haki the blade absorbed over its lifetime. Evidence we hear is that a person's haki can make a blade better, and increase its rank, and haki can make something unbreakable. I do believe it also rests on the wielder's imagination.
Honestly... I can't see how Haki is confusing at all. Luffy was at a complete disadvantage UNTIL he pissed Katakuri off and managed to understand why none of his attacks would hit. Katakuri was dodging with his High Observation Haki and Devil Fruit to throw Luffy off. Even after Luffy understood, it still took time to properly dodge on his end. Snakeman was so fast it was hard for Katakuri to fully dodge it.
I believe haki is the result of noticing that the DF countering system of pre-haki one piece was eventually going to hit a wall. Sure, rubber could beat electricity, but how could rubber defeat fire? Sure, water can counter sand, but how do you counter strings? Haki. It also allows non-DF users to keep up. I think the problem that I potentially see with haki, is it becoming angry face number battles like dbz. Which I highly doubt given oda's attention to his fights. Ultimately, I feel like haki or "willpower" is the progenitor to everything we seen in the series. Potentially the advance form of conquerors would be conquering death. I.e. Rouge holding her pregnancy for an additional 11 months, or WB fighting while having several fatal injuries.
jojo rules for the stands - Stands do follow a set of rules but I will admit that they are very general and a few of them are exceptions to the rules but Stands do follow a set of rules: One person can only have one Stand Stands can only be affected by other Stands If a Stand is injured, the user themselves get injured ((except for automatic Stands) ) The strength/presicion of a Stand is inversely proportional to the distance of it to the user. Stands move and act according to a user's will Depending on user, a Stand can develop further ( similar to tusk and echoes ) These 'rules' were taken from a bonus chapter from Part 7. So these might be more applicable to Stands from Part 7 on wards rather than Parts 3 to 6.
Haki is an amazing power system. If haki didn't exist then the people without Devil Fruits would be able to stand a chance against strong opponents, even with devil fruits, haki is still one of the only ways to hurt people, for example, Luffy can't hurt Kaido unless he uses haki.
Ill have to slightly disagree with you. Advanced haki forms greatly change how battles are fought. Future sight not just allows you to see what your opponent will do, but what’s going to happen in the surroundings. The main allure is that it let’s you foil the enemies plans before they start. Advanced armament has just recently been introduced, but when perfected it can damage even the most durable of opponents and lets you do wide scale damage by destroying the surroundings inside out. The base fundamentals of haki is to be used as a counter to devil fruits (observation lets you predict unknown abilities and armament lets you attack intangible beings). Haki will never be on the level of Nen because it is only a supplement to power. Nen is the entire power system while haki’s serves to further improve your physical capabilities (strength, sense, and will). All in all, it isn’t perfect on it’s own, but when combined with the many martial arts, sword skills, and devil fruits of the one piece world, it fits perfectly. Only thing I want is for Oda to explain the basics more, such as if focusing armament at one point is stronger than spreading it across your body.
Oda has done nothing with advanced observation Haki since luffy learnt it, we only have like one confirmed use of it and Oda never gives any hint when Luffy doesn't use it or does use it, I mean we should get confirmations but he doesn't even give hints. The issue is Haki is very vague and Oda barely ever goes into detail, it's always the fans that have to assume things, which is stupid. Compare this to Hxh, where Togashi is so meticulous with the fights and use of Nen. Like seriously, 90% of the discussion surrounding Haki is just interpretation from fans and not actual facts from the manga, because those facts don't exist.
Im okay with Observation & Armament Haki my problem is with Conquerors Haki because everyone says it is the most dangerous haki but it has only been used to knock out fodder or scare animals away. I have yet to see what it can really do because if you ask me, it has been useless so far.
It’s dangerous because it identifies users who have the potential to bring about great change. Leaders who can take the world by storm. That’s exactly the type of thing that the WG fears the most and other pirate crews get nervous around. Also, any ability that allows you to take out over 50,000 soldiers is with no contact is pretty hax, especially since marines don’t seem to have many people with the ability
Yeah I agree with that in fact no one can name one character that was affected by conquers haki everyone that was affected by it is just a plot device not an actual character with a name and my second problem with it is that there’s no clear reason to why some characters don’t have it other than it’s rare and even that isn’t true
Considering conquers use it against each other all the time I'm pretty sure it's basically a psychic attack. Think of it like a constant stamina drain on a opponent cause by their will being forced upon you
You laid your criticisms and praise out very well, one thing I've noticed from some people who critique One Piece is either coming from people extremely biased for or against it and Haki and the battle system is one of the bigger debates. Personally, typically, the way I look at anything in fiction is that as long as my sense of immersion isn't broken then I tend to not sweat the tiny details as much - which is not for everyone I know. Say, Luffy versus Crocodile - nothing in those fights felt off-putting or out of place to me and even looking back on it, I have a few complaints, like the subject of Crocodile of not using any Haki but then again nothing about that fight is ruined over all in my eyes. I completely understand that more analytical people may be bothered by it, this is simply my own stance.
I understand the necessity of haki and can heavily appreciate how Oda has planted the seeds throughout the entire story... But at the end of the day I do think it has taken away creativity from One Piece's fights. The way I saw One Piece fights before the timeskip is that they were 90% Dragon ball and 10% JoJo's Bizarre Adventure. That they were mostly straight up confrontations peppered with a small amount of problem solving when it came to a foe with a trick devil fruit power. Where there used to be a small AH HA moment that the character would figure out how to turn the tables with an opponents ability has now been erased since Haki was created. (Granted, this can depend on which characters are fighting.) To go further with the Jo Jo comparison it feels like Oda created Hamon after already creating Stands which has effectively pushed out that 10% of JoJo's influence and made the series' fights 100% dragon ball. Just two strong guys where only one can have the most amount of power... Luckily Haki isn't as nebulous of an internal energy source that can run out whenever it's convenient in the story as Ki or Chakra, but ties into a characters actual will since that's what the word means anyway and the theme of will is baked into the story as a whole. I have other small nitpicks with Haki, but I'll save em' in order for this comment to not become a wall of text lol TLDR: I like Haki story wise. But creatively, I think it's a boring power that uniforms the variety of that the devil fruits have into playing 2nd banana in order of importance.
I wish the consistency of observation Haki was better. And if a character who is known to have it, doesn’t display OH, then there needs to be a good reason shown. Even if it’s a subtle one. IMO
I find haki more of a support system to the true power system(physical strength devil fruit and weapon/combat skill level).Like a buff you can upgrade your power level by uping the buff...but you can also do the same by a good devil fruit or a superior physical strength.Also one ability for conq haki is somekind of amplification to armament haki.And about rokuogan well...the happo navy have a martial art that uses shockwaves as attacks i think its something like that in other words a martial art that mimics advanced armament haki
Already watched this but great vid I personally NEED some Haki master to break down all forms off haki showing names for each. I think for the final saga of one piece this is a necessity. You can’t go into the final arc and have all the solutions to conflicts be physical fights and not have the power system completely laid out. At least that’s just me.
I see Haki as the nerf to Devil Fruits, Logias specifically, to keep characters from coasting on overpowered abilities. The New World balance patch, if you will. lol
Basically this haki is just a check for logia DF's
Exactly. Future sight was introduced for Luffy to be able to deal with enemies with weird abilities that are deadly on the first encounter (such as a Sugar or Perona). Haki is a compliment, not the entire system
Lmao 😂 "new world's balance patch"
Rpg devs should take note. You don't nerf OP things, you buff unarmed instead.
@@RedMaitreya and advanced armament is basically a check for invincible monsters like Big Mon and Kaido
i do like that haki allows for characters like garp , shanks and rayleigh to exist,
it does make the world a bit more unique when theres a few characters who dont have a devil fruit, but are still strong enough to be feared and respected around the entire world
True haki is good
And roger..
MetalCrow448 well yeah but without Haki someone like Zoro wouldn’t be able to beat some random bystander who ate a logia so it makes it balanced
I couldn't imagine how Rayleigh would have been able to counter and have any chance to stand against Kizaru without haki.
Did you stop making dragon ball multiverse bro 😭
I love how Usopp’s observation Haki was introduced. It’s completely different from Luffy and Katakuri’s future seeing. Being able to sense people’s exact location from great distance is the perfect power up for Usopp, whose greatest strength has always been the range of his actions.
Yeah it’s like luffy and zoro and the others can sense them but ussop is dead on
Tony Amin *GOD HAKI*
Everyone’s Observation Haki can do that, it’s a basic function.
That also seems like the type of haki Bleackbeard's sniper has
@Tony Amin legit gonna earn that title
Another subtle example of future sight Is fujitora in the casino at dressrosa
He Always knew the color
thats not very moral, using your superpowers to gain money :D Maybe he just wanted to shake down some thugs from the donquixote family
@@athzalar9476 who knows? He has his own sense of *random* or fate based justice.. So he could've legit just guessing right, because he only attacked when Luffy confirmed they were cheating him and he got pissed
How does a blind man use future sight?
@@MrCrazyd40 luffy literally used it with his eyes closed lol
That was regular observation haki no FS that involves actually (sight) what luffy did was the same thing Rayleigh did with the elephant
If Haki was the only power system it'd be really shitty and shallow, but when combined with Devil Fruits I think it's fine.
yes, it does what it has to do which is to complement the DF powers
Pretty much. Haki in my eyes is a pretty essential part that ensures that Devil Fruits don't become so ridiculously broken that it makes you question how a man made out of rubber is able to fight smoke and win. There are only so many "throw water at your sand opponent to punch him" moments you can draw from before it starts to become ridiculous. Haki also allows non-Devil Fruit users to actually have an impact on the story with them being able to measure up with the strongest Devil Fruits.
Without Haki, you would just get the opposite problem where the strongest Devil Fruits determine strength since they are literally invincible from any normal attacks. That would honestly be far worse than having Haki as a part of the power system.
Plus it makes characters like, Shanks, Mihawk, Zoro, and Raley even more impressive.
yeah. not only does haki synergize with devil fruits, devil fruits allow for diverse and interesting fights, while if it was only haki, basically everyone can attain the same thing except some conquerors
@@wowhowbizarre8176 Don't Forget Garp and Gol
I always thought how Garp was able to punch Luffy back in water 7 was more than just an one off gag
Especially with the way his crew reacted to Luffy being hit, they were in shock and awe
Nami also has armament haki, when she gets mad
@@burcopresents if Nami has power, she'd be madly frightening
@@burcopresents she legitimately might because this is one piece and because hockey is fueled by willpower. Nami shown to have a strong will
While Rayleigh is explaining haki to Luffy, he full on says that they call observation haki mantra on the sky island, so mantra is 100% confirmed observation haki
Oda confirmed it in a SBS so yes, is totally confirmed, not only in the manga but also by the author.
I think that he did not meant to say that Mantra may not be observation but rather question whether or not it was supposed to be foreshadowing for the concept of Haki in the first place as Oda could very much have created Mantra as a lone power that he retroactively labeled as a form of Haki.
Similar discussions happen over whether Shanks was always meant to use conquerors in chapter 1 or if his stare was originally just so intense that it scared the lord of the coast away.
mantra is observations but its like elite observation lol
he made few more mistake LMAO 200 IQ confirm
Its retconned obviously
Haki is good for post timeskip it’s just difficult to include the advance techniques pre timeskip cause it’s kinda difficult to determine which character is using what. I like how we learn it thru Luffy and how it’s needed for the new world not so much the grand line
Well the Advanced Armament was THE first application of Armament we have ever seen tbh.
Sentoumaru used it directly after he was introduced, on Luffy. 3 Admirals blocking Whitebeard's shockwave. Rayleigh's first demonstration of Armament Haki is literally the Advanced version directly (on the cuffs of Camie) and later on when he showcased it to Luffy he used Advanced as well.
We all thought Busoshoku Haki was the invisible armor that extends beyond the Body *all throughout pretimeskip* .
It's *after* the timeskip when Oda decided to make it an advanced version, and then he introduced the basic one and made it visible (black hardening) and yes it IS visible, anyone can see limbs and swords turn jet black even those who don't use Haki (like nami, ussop and chopper first time seeing Elephant Gun).
@MD 25 He said Sanji can use Armament Haki, just not strong enough to be visibly seen like what Luffy and Zoro's Armament Haki. As much as I want to defend my beloved Sanji, he lacks scenes where he showcase his Armament Haki.
Have a look at Sanji vs Vergo, Sanji almost broke his leg from simply attacking Vergo, meanwhile Vergo is just defending with his own haki.
But! I would argue that Sanji has a better Observation Haki than both Luffy and Zoro. Biggest evidence of this is in the arc WCI, the part where Sanji was about to be assasinated by Katakuri, but was able to dodge it. Even Katakuri was surprised that Sanji was able to dodge it.
@Sheldon Joseph Jr I'm pretty much manga exclusive, so I hardly notice when Sanji uses his armament haki coating
Why does no one every bring up how Armament has enabled certain Devil fruit powers to work? I've never considered Haki to be the main power system, Devil fruits are. Devil Fruits create the unique and exciting powers that make combat in One Piece so distinct. Cracker's biscuits only work because of Haki, biscuits aren't actually that strong, but coating them with armament is what makes them so difficult to break. Likewise with Katakuri, getting hit by I giant mochi fist wouldn't be as destructive if it weren't as hard as steel, which armament enables. It also makes Gear Third make more sense, as filling up your fist with air would be like getting punched by a balloon. But now that it's coated in haki, it's far harder which makes more sense. Plus it's also like Luffy and Katakuri have canon ball fists which is a cool aesthetic for me and very fitting in a world of superhuman pirates.
I love the video by the way and agree with all your points, I just wish you had mentioned these are more things Haki adds to the combat. I don't like it when people speak of Haki however as if it's the main thing now and has replaced devil fruits, when in reality it's added to them.
I agree. Btw love your vids.
Preach on bruh... I couldn’t have said it any better
I agree but the gear third was proven destructive numerous times before haki was introduced. He blows his bones big so it is still hard, it is just bigger and more destructive.
Haki is slowly becoming the main power system though. Characters don't need devil fruits to become strong in the New World, they need Haki. That's why we have so many powerful characters like Garp, Shanks and Rayleigh post timeskip who don't need devil fruits.
@@rk-tc2fu it's not, its the main talk, NOT the main power system. Df plus haki is better than just haki and just df. It'd an add on not the TO be
How is it that whenever this human speaks, I constantly find myself agreeing despite me not even sharing that stance before hearing it? This seriously doesn't happen to me with any other UA-camrs or people in general, yet the way you balance arguments is genuinely just awe-inspiring. You're really talented
Its because of how he takes the time to seperate and clarify facts from his opinions and is formatted as a debate or a presentation of his side of a debate rather than an argument or rant and on top of that he's in no rush like how some yt bers will try to fit everything into a 10 minute video whereas he spends almost 30 minutes overall he does a very good job on these types of videos
Bold of you to assume Morj is human
@@KanasanDX Ah, but he is. He’s a superhuman.
Maybe you're just being biased since you've had other instances when you noticed how coherent and convincing this guy is, and now whenever you listen to him you're unable to rationally analize what he is saying, thus tending to consider his arguments to be true despite not sharing that stance?
It's because of his power of Speech Haki Advanced Level.
Mr Morj!!! Glad to see you've been so active recently
I know, right? 🤝 🗣️ 💯 😤 👍 😎 👏
I was thinking the same thing and I'm a new sub loool
@@zsmith4853 it's because everyone needs to stay at home
You could even Argue that when crocodile first gets hit by Luffys blood soaked punch he states “is he using...?” Then“ no he’s using his blood”
@Carl Rodriguez but why would he be surprised by water. He saw luffy use water before.
@@CluelessCarter I agree with you that Crocodile shouldn’t have been surprised by water after Luffy already used it on him.
but realistically speaking, I think it’s merely coincidence alongside a subpar writing choice in that particular scene.
Havent found any version of that chapter where he says this. Its 204 if anyone else wants to check
@Carl Rodriguez In the manga it wasn't clear, in the anime his reaction was that of fear, perhaps the animators were told by Oda to do it that way. He wouldn't be surprised by water, the way he said he was implying something else
@@CluelessCarter prob cuz Luffy had no water near him at the time.
I like to believe that Shanks scaring the *sh*t* out of the sea monster was just Oda showing how scary bad-ass Shanks is, then built the power system around that
It's almost definitely what that was. Killing intent is a major staple of action-oriented Japanese manga anyway, and Conqueror's haki works exactly the way it does.
That said, Oda pretty much seamlessly tied it all together, so it works out anyway.
I think so too... I mean the word "haki" is first introduced when talking about shanks... but everyone back then thought they were just talking about his strong spirit.
I legit think the whole concept of haki exists because oda wanted to make shanks a more relevant character in the story.
yup, this is what happened. not the other way around
@@justno984 Haki was first mentioned in Jaya by Blackbeard, talking about Luffy's Haki. But yes I agree with all of you here.
i liked the concept of conquerors haki scaring the sh*t out of opponents. but nowadays conquerors is just treated as "armament haki 2". conquerors shouldnt be able to inflict physical damage imo.
if one infuses conquerors into an attack, it shouldnt make the attack stronger, but shatter the opponents will, or something.
Like in one punch man, when saitama and genos fought each other, and saitamas final punch made genos experience a vision of DEATH, even though the attack didnt actually connect, it just made him not want to fight anymore, even though he was the one that demanded to fight him moments earlier.
that type of conquerors punch feels more in line with shankses conquerors stare, or luffys conquerors shout.
One thing I notice is that when Blackbeard and Luffy have their scuffle, Blackbeard remarks that Luffy's haki has improved. Luffy may not have known about haki or how to utilize it that well at the time but it's possible that it still augmented him. Much like how he subconsciously used Conquerers Haki here and there or Observation while fighting Mihawk, he also could have utilized Armanent loosely to overcome some foes who had a tough guard like Lucci, the pacifista and Marigold. Using Armanent consistently and to hit logias however would require training.
Nah thats more like he could sense the Haki within him. Luffy himself just didn't know how to make use of it. He couldn't access it until Rayleigh taught him how to manifest his will.
@@redx589 even if he can sense it within him it's still something that can be used without being learned. Asia and Coby didnt simply learn Observation they awakened it and then learned to control it, much like Luffys conquerors. Luffy could have also awakened his armament in extreme situations.
Yup! Dont forget Zoro's fight with mr.1!
@@thatdude5990 Zoro's abilities are actually some of the most interesting/possibly hints to Haki for a long time now. When he randomly did the nine style technique in enies lobby and spoke about the voice of all things against mr. 1 but we still haven't really gotten any explanation to it. The fact that Zoro hasn't really fought that hard since the time skip must mean that those powers are hiding something juicy.
Recently we see Ulti mention that she can straight up sense Luffy's haki. Hyogoro also mentions that haki surrounds the body naturally: s6.mangabeast01.com/manga/One-Piece/0947-007.png
he mentions it again after s6.mangabeast01.com/manga/One-Piece/0947-008.png
I think what this means is that everyone naturally has haki surrounding their body but it is only through training or extreme danger that they can start to utilize it to do things like cloak themselves in armament haki or use Observation haki. It would also explain why Usopp was able to unlock it during Dressrosa: he was finally utilizing the haki he already had surrounding him.
I still can't get over how well the panels go with your argument. "The stronger a character's will, the higher they can climb in the world," while showing Luffy carrying Nami and Sanji in Drum Island. Morj number one OP analytical youtuber.
I'm always happy when someone mentions the panels, sometimes I question if I should even bother finding so many for the vid haha
@@MrMorj definetly! do you have already a folder saved where you ordered and sorted specific panels when you need them? because that would be pretty convenient i assume.
@@MrMorj don't worry, your work is not in vain, the panels are much appreciated.
definitely, I always love watching them
@@MrMorj im sure we all appreciate the effort you put in just we're not vocal about it, I love ur one piece vids ur the best yter for them
Craftsdwarf had a cool video about this topic (but is no longer available)
He highlighted that haki is a more organic counter to devilfruits than sea stone, because you don't need to explain it trough exposition
He also pointed out that haki can open the gates for different combat styles that wouldn't be able to compete at this stage of the story, like vergo using a bamboo blow gun
Some things I like about haki are how it separates the top tiers without them being invulnerable at all times, gold roger got pierced by two randos for example,which makes him feel human. And I love how it mixes with devilfruits to create situations that wouldn't work otherwise, like g4 or katakuri's sticky mace
I also disagree in some of your points about the katakuri fight, because I don't think is as simple as saying they both saw the future so the ability cancels out. When Luffy started seeing a bit into the future he got close to hitting katakuri, but he still wasn't able to do it without snakeman, an ability that capitalizes in the crucial flaw of future sight. Future sight shows the defacto future that will happen, as long as the user of future sight does not intervine. If the future sight user acts the future is changed, an he has to use future sight again and process that new information, so there is a brief moment where anyone can change the future, observation haki or not. And thus luffy developed snake man to close the gap between his future sight and katakuri's.
(This is also from Craftsdwarf. Beyond blood and mid battle flashback vids)
that was a great video
. . . . . . This comment honestly confused the fuck out of me. How did snake-men counter future-sight exactly?
@@CombatSportsNerd by purposefully changing direction after katakuri dodges. Since he acts on the future he sees he changes it, and has to see and process a new one. So by redirecting his punches in mid air with enough speed Luffy has a window of opportunity to hit.
Yea but his point ultimately was that the khaki itself didn't add any nuance to the fight. Once snakeman was introduced, the fact that both characters had FS didn't really matter. It was just a matter of speed.
@@CombatSportsNerd ua-cam.com/video/pZ1052K5XFo/v-deo.html
Another example not many bring up: Koushiro's explaination of the "breath of all things" that allowed Zoro to sense the rocks and cut steel matches word by word Hyogoro's explaination of Ryou (Wano's word for Haki)
Because that would make him a "Zoro fan", which translates to "big bad person". To appeal to the broader audience, never say anything about Zoro.
breath of all things is wano's way of describing observation haki, whilst ryou (haki flow) is how they teach armament. It's dope that different countries tapped into the same power via different methods of training/teaching
@@ajdoku865 Yep and that's not something he recently started with.
Don't forget how he began all the way back in skypiea with Mantra ;)
@@siegpasta I'd argue an early example of ryou (haki flow) is fishman karate & jujitsu. This art of manipulating water isn't exclusive to fishmen (e.g koala), suggesting its easier for them to master given their connection to water. Just as various understandings of haki developed in different locations, I think its the same for the special martial arts in OP. Each one allows the user to execute haki applications only by following the correct forms. E.g the water shot (Arlong used on Sanji & zoro) acts the same as the kuja haki imbued arrows.
The process of mastering these martial arts is the same as learning haki. Rigorously training provides the physical foundation and helps in visualising how to execute the correct form. As shown by luffy learning FS, without the visualisation one can't use a technique, e.g CP9 members always focus before using any technique, Nero mastered all the leg related techniques but not the iron body or finger pistol, and luffy replicated the shave footwork in G2 after understanding it (note: he encounter it before in captain kuro's creeping cat).
There are even examples of practitioners 'blooming' in the mist of battle e.g Sai mastering drill dragon form to break Chinjao's head, Sanji running for days until he learned moon walk, zoro learning flying slashes (tempest kicks) during the skypeia battles (note: chessmarimo used significant flying slashes vs chopper), luffy using paper art (gum gum space out) against eneru.
Similarly, all these techniques can be overcome as with dfs & haki e.g the heat of Sanji's Diable jambe allowed them to break through jabras iron body. The combination of sea prism stone with a reject dial used by Wyper on eneru. Luffy using the faster attacks of snakeman to counter katakuri's mastery of FS.
The effect/application of any "properly" executed technique can be explained in terms of observation/armament haki, is it really just coincidence? Like how inflicting internal damage with ryou is replicated via the secret 7th move of the 6 powers, the dragon claw, the shockwave kenpo & fishman karate. So has haki made the fights more basic or is it that we now have a basic understanding of the various applications of haki in one piece fights?
@@ajdoku865 Facts
I wish Oda introduced a way people who have broken spirits lose their Conquerors Haki , like those captains under kaido
Then to regain it they'd have to prove their Will
That's a great idea actually, though I can see a captain with Conquerors constantly having to keep his subordinates with a kingly disposition obedient as well
If that were a thing then conquerors haki wouldn't require for you to be born with it. Instead it requires you to train your will and eventually you'll obtain it. What if a child was born poor and in terrible conditions. Always scared for his life but then one day hears words that encourage and change his mind. At that point a great change in will would ensue and that child would most likely get conquerors haki. Also just a big surge of emotions would give many people conquerors haki. That means coby has it, and if sanji, usopp and chopper change their mindset of being brave and not giving up then they'll also unlock it. A lot of people would have it.
Or give some new ominous Haki only gained by those who tragically lost their wills.
Basically a super spiteful version of Dark Hado.
A great example would be ace i think, because in the flashback he had used conquerors haki to save luffy. We never saw him using it again.
@@faesznuman4091 he used it unconsciously back then
He hadn't mastered it during that time
Morj is like the Rayleigh of the one piece fanbase
No overreacting,no sucking Oda off,just logical arguments
Reminds me of king of lightning's video, "I will not suck off Naruto!"
@@calebhowlett5116 King of Lightning is the last person that would come to mind when i watch Mr Morj.
Actually they could not be more antithesis to each other if they could.
@@mohamedab9033 how so?
What does this have to do with Rayleigh 🤔?
@@notmahir5595 KOL has clearly some bias in certain topics about One Piece. Just watch one of the recent one piece discussion videos that he made, about Sanji. It's almost hilarious. Not to mention the powerscaling, overunderstanding scenes and such. Don't get me wrong, I like him, but he's not the person to go to when you want good discussions about One Piece.
Oda is introducing the advanced levels of Haki every time Luffy interacts with another emperor in their territory. WCI was Future Sight, Wano is Advanced Armament, and the Elbaf/Shanks arc will be when he learns about advanced conquers Haki.
Kinda fits with how we learned of Haki in the arc/saga with Whitebeard.
Advanced Armament, not Ryuuo. That's just a wano exclusive term for Haki, like Mantra in Skypea.
Mohamed Ab lol i think it’s a fan adapted name aha we find it better if advanced haki has a name other then advanced armament idk maybe though
Mohamed Ab you’re right
So then he'll learn how to use awakening on Blackbeard's territory?
Mr. Morj if someone is holding you captive and making you out out weekly videos let us know.
I don't want to try and rescue you, I just want to suggest a video topic lol jk.
And yes I am already a patreaon.
Hahaha yeah this is really uncharacteristic I'm not a hostage though I swear. Will keep it up next month too probably, and yeah I recognize you Wisdom, I see you in streams too. What's the topic?
@@MrMorj so you've said before in your video on black beard that that using and crushing others on the journey to your dreamy doesn't make you a king. We've also never seen Blackbeard use Conqueror's haki.
But Kida does seem to have a Supreme kings spirit and his MO seems to be to break people down so they can be useful to him.
And Big Mom explicitly rules through fear her devil fruit only working on those that are afraid of her so I gotta ask:
Do none of the other Yonko hab have Supreme Kings Spirit?
Wisdom Manari' interesting
@@wisdommanari6701 So I like the idea that Black Beard does not have the color of the King's haki. And I hope Oda either runs with that idea or that either Black Beard really does have 3 personalities/ souls and only one of those personalities has color of the King
Kaido it makes sense that he has the color of the king due to both how he rules which although it doesn't seem kingly on the surface it is how you'd picture a king in the animal kingdom.
I believe Big Mom's Tantrum was a display of King's haki and she does indeed have it like her son Katakuri. We just haven't seen her clash with anyone yet. But I could be wrong on my assumption that the tantrum was king's haki.
We also know the late Whitebeard and Shanks also have color of the king's haki so it seems like most emperors have displayed the ability to use it besides Black Beard. And again it would be very interesting that if Black Beard became a emperor through ambition and treachery instead of having the will of a king.
The thing about future sight: just because you know an attack is coming doesn't mean you'll be able to dodge it. Think of it like this: a professional NBA player still misses some shots even though he is a great player
Then ofcourse, if you don't even undertand what you're seeing you wouldn't be able to do anything about it.
Like apus attacks.
Even if luffy knew he'd get hit, he didn't even understand how, let alone how to dodge it.
@@daddy_1453 The only thing you can do is harden your whole body with haki, and hope that you're strong enough to withstand the blast.
This is what Rock Lee says to Sasuke in early Naruto that though his sharingan can read movement he can't avoid it, his body isn't there yet.
Plus there’s how if you act differently from what you saw the future changes
Which is a weakness that was stated in the fight against katakuri
@@Cakecrasher I rather like this discussion it brings up things I have discussed with others. When Katakuri acts to change the future he see's he changes the outcome and therefore he become blind to what result he will bring about at least in that immediate moment. This is why he had such difficulty striking Luffy during their fight. Also one certain way to attack someone who can see the future would be to attack in such a way that they cannot avoid it even if they can see it coming. Then of course there is the fact that if they must understand an attack to avoid it, their future sight might not work. All it does is show them what will happen if nothing is changed, context is not necessarily added in.
I always loved the idea of breaking haki, like the reason croco and moria didn't have haki is because there wills where broken. They would be able to get it back tho.
galaxyvita Dang that’s actually a good idea
and why were they not in the new world?
Because they didn't have haki, therefor were too weak to stay there
It does kinda sound like a cope out though doesn't it
I HEAVILY disagree with you there. Oda himself said he used Crocodile too early. That's definitely a cop out if I ever saw one
@@NaturalHypertrophy It does but it's better than the idea that they didn't have it and we know they fought with top tiers in the New World so this makes it believable.
It makes sense that Haki wasnt talked about in the start because it is a power system that only the really trained/strong can achieve, meaning it's only common in the New World and not before that
It wouldnt make sense that an advanced skill will show up early in the series
Should've logically made an appearance in alabasta or even with ace vs blackbeard.
Kwabz shoulda woulda coulda
Yes sir 💪🏼
MetalCrow448 highly trained to what extent? Can’t imagine them at that point ever taking down any of the higher tier Shichibukai.
@MetalCrow448 they're stationed in the 1st half of the grand line cause they didnt know haki yet
Only those that knows haki gets to be in the New World
All New World Characters are at the top 0.5% or more of characters when it comes ro strength
You should also remember that you'd get to be called a Supernova/Outstanding Rookie just ny having 100 million bounty
Haki isnt the norm, haki is an outstanding ability that can touch Logia users, which most believes to be the strongest type of fruit
With the Katakuri fight, I feel his haki made the battle more nuanced. Luffy had to use a whole new technique specifically to get around Katakuri's ability to see the future because regardless of if Luffy could do it too, he was still losing until he unveiled Snakeman. Snakeman's only purpose is to out speed and overwhelm an opponent. It was really well done.
Wapol likes his house well done
My biggest problem with the introduction of Haki into the story is that it's difficult to believe that certain characters at the higher levels of the world such as Crocodile and Ace didn't have any armament Haki. Since it now appears that armament Haki is standard for even the lowest-ranking marines and goons in the New World, it makes it seem like all the earlier instances of supposed Haki usage merely happen to fit how Oda would come to define Haki in the later sections of the story. In other words, retcons.
Well I don’t know about crocodile but Aces light novel shows him developing his Haki
Except it makes perfect sense though. Croc couldn't last in the New World. Even when he reappeared in MF with countless khaki users, he operated without it. His bounty was still 80 million when he went to attack WB. It's likely he got to the new world earlier than he should've.
@@anthonyzivalich4962 I know that Ace develops haki in his light novel.
Of course he would, since the novel came out long after Haki was introduced in the canon One Piece timeline. It still stands that this is a form of retconning, to make up for the fact that a Second Commander of a Yonko's crew should have had armament haki in the first place.
Crocodile hadn't it
Because he focused his training in his devilfruit I would say his devil fruit power was on admiral level (because it's awakened)
But his biggest problem was that if you are able to hit him he is almost done, because he didn't train his haki but actually he knew about it
If he learned it after the time skip he would be a strong enemy
True cause Crocodile showed to have Haki in Marineford when taking on Dofflamingo, Akainu, and Mihawk. The problem is Haki seemed to be introduced in the latter part of the story which leaves questions on Battles in PreTimeskip arcs. Especially on how Ace didn't use not a lick of it in the Marineford arc that could've helped out greatly in the operations. Hell makes no sense for him to lose to Black Beard after seeing what Luffy did to him after one gear 2 punch with no Haki.
The idea of haki always intrigued me and to be honest im glad it was added
I love how sincere and down to earth your analysis are. You clearly have a very objective view on the whole topic of One Piece. And that's what we need.
There are people out there, who criticize One Piece for the most surface level flaws without going any deeper into what the series makes so great and so beloved and what could very possibly be flawed about it. This why we need fans like you who can make well thought out criticism, positive and negative, on One Piece.
24:10 I don't think the idea that Rokougan is a form of advanced Armament Haki is controversial at all. Haki is a manifestation of one's spirit, and a big part of martial arts training is also training your spirit, so it totally makes sense that some martial arts techniques can allow you to subconsciously tap into Haki.
In Zoro's flashback in the Mr. 1 fight, Koshirou explained to him how the most skilled swordsmen can choose to cut nothing or cut anything. It was the exact same explanation that Hyogoro gave to Luffy about Ryuo (advanced Armament Haki) more than 700 chapters later, but without using the word "Haki" to define his explanation. It's not controversial at all that martial arts practitioners like Koshirou, Zoro, and Rob Lucci have been teaching / manifesting forms of Haki early on in the series without even knowing that it's Haki (or at least not acknowledging it as such), especially since, as Morj said, being a Haki user doesn't automatically make you stronger than a non-Haki user.
It is controversial because it denies the character of Law and his abilities. Remember how his strongest attack was a operation who destroys the enemy from the inside? But what happens if you present a gimmick who can do the exact same? If a nobody like Luci could use it unconsciously... or Luffy learning it in a week... It just breaks the power system because it exposes how haki can "copy" the uniqueness of devil fruits. Shanks nullifying Akainu's fist just like the darkness fruit, Big Mom and Kaido having impenetrable skins just like the diamond fruit, etc.. Haki seems like a multifaceted gimmick who kinda denies the devil fruits (in a literal way). The whole point of one piece are the devil fruit uniqueness and crazy traits, a direct reflect of the author's creativity. But that is not the case anymore.
A nobody like Lucci?? How long has it been since you watched Enies Lobby lmao
I believe tha reason haki was shown so scarcely pre timeskip is that Oda initially decided to give haki only to the very strongest /most important characters. Like with conquerors haki now, only one in a million would have it. But then Oda decided otherwise and gave haki even to charaters like Pekoms and Tashigi.
Haki is fine for what it is, and it plays off of devil fruits pretty well. I’m not expecting Oda to just drop a system with the complexity of nen like HxH or the sheer insanity of Jojo, but it is serviceable. I just wish the fights were more intricate.
Morj is clearly the best one piece UA-camr out there.
he's like a scholar debating a thesis, his points are always very well thought
Yes. Extremely underrated.
Don't bash the human encyclopedia Tekking
Tekking would like a word with you
Tekking is an encyclopedia. Morj is a thesis/dissertation.
I think haki is alright
Is easy to understand
....?
Sengoku: understandable have a great day
Haki would be a lot better if weak people could use it so they'd still be SOME threat to powerful characters. The idea that it can simply knock much weaker people out of the threat zone feels cheap.
*HellRay* what? Why should weak people have haki when they most likely have a weak spirit/will...
How come no one has a problem with characters fighting before haki was introduced? back then instead of haki it was just simply strength or technique or fighting styles. Now it's the same but with haki and logias aren't absolutely broken
Idk not much you can do about what was written 10 years ago
People grow up and feel like nitpicking is a reasonable hobby.
Personally, I liked the concept of broken logia users. Made them all see like biss fights that require a lot of strategy to overcome. Sir Crocodile and water or Eneru fighting an isolator just being the tip of the ice berg
The difference is that a person who Is weak but has good strategy can win a fight. Compared to haki which is an armor that can't be broken with any form of strategy or physical strength.
@@massojupiter3436 Exactly, if Enel had armament haki Luffy's insulator staus wouldn't have mattered at all, taking away an interesting and creative solution to the lightning logia problem. Haki would have diminished that situation.
itsxtray It wasn’t a creative solution, it was plot armor, lol. Introduce an unbeatable foe and then just say the MC is the only one who can touch him. Without haki, people would have to fight Akainu with ice cubes solar panels. That stuff would get old, especially since Luffy isn’t an analytical fighter
I'm not even joking, you should be one of Oda's editors and/or advisors. Not because of this video alone, but because of your whole channel. I've been a fan (and subscriber) since way back when, and your knowledge is impressive. Not only on One Piece stuff, but also regarding story structure, plot themes, character analysis, etc. as constructs/concepts (that you then proceed to apply to One Piece), which is why your videos are absolutely amazing, and why you are my favourite OP youtuber. You always manage to discover little (big) details that make me realise One Piece is even greater than I thought it to be (which is already a lot, it's my favourite story regardless of medium, in which I include other anime, manga, movies, tv shows, books, you name it), and making me appreciate it even more. Kudos to you, and thanks for another great video!
I've gotta disagree with your analysis of the Snakeman vs Katakuri fight, and with the fandom's general whining about future sight that came up in respect to the Ulti and Apoo (not that you've been part of that). We've been shown that there's more nuance to what is generally called future sight than just literally being able to see the future - think of the wedding scene from WCI. First, of course, there is Bege's explicit comment that just because Katakuri is the only one present who can see the future doesn't mean he's the only one who can *change* the future. Second, of course, there's fact that when Katakuri realizes that the priest is going to be prevented from shooting Sanji and has him shot early, Sanji just dodges the bullet. Because Katakuri isn't aware of Sanji's full capabilities, he's unable to effectively "keep the future on track" the way he wants to, and Big Mom's plan is disrupted as though he was not there. Last, there's the moment in the Katakuri vs Luffy fight where Luffy is shot by Flampe. Katakuri doesn't react to that until after it happens, and initially isn't even aware of what's going on, because he's not aware of Flampe's presence.
All of this leads me to the following analysis: observation haki is, at its core, the ability to read the intent of your opponent. That's what we're shown in the arena at Kuja Island, that's what every mantra user except Aisa and Koby does, and that's what Rayleigh demonstrates when he's explaining haki to Luffy. This also fits with Sanji as the member of the monster trio who specializes in observation haki - he's always had a very good read on people's intent, from all the way back when he fed Gin. Advanced observation haki amounts to taking that read of intent and going a bit deeper, into what they *expect*. This is how Katakuri is initially able to evade all of Luffy's attacks - he's just reading where Luffy expects his punch to land and then not being there, whether by conventional dodging or by reshaping his body to avoid the hit. This is why Snakeman is so important to Luffy's victory - when he throws out a jet culverin, he doesn't have any expectation about where his punch is going to land, just that it'll hit Katakuri eventually, because he can keep redirecting the punch after it's thrown. Katakuri could probably just evade and evade and evade, and effectively run away from the fight (just like he advised Luffy to do at the beginning), but he can't do that while also remaining in range to attack, and thus can no longer attack Luffy with impunity. In the Apoo fight, the question is what Apoo intends and how his devil fruit works. Under this analysis, even if Luffy had his observation haki up, all he probably got from Apoo was something like "I'll make this weird noise and then they'll be cut/bruised/exploded", with no real mechanism by which he's aiming or even hitting, and thus no real way to respond other than to throw up a bit of armament haki. And for the Ulti fight, I think the key thing to remember is that Luffy has not been challenged in Wano by anyone remotely close to his caliber. Queen he probably wouldn't have underestimated, but everyone else he's fought in the arc has been varying degrees of "pretty tough" but otherwise a joke. My guess is that he assumed Ulti was someone like Hody - not really a threat to him, just ludicrously tough and annoying to put down. He probably figured that whatever she was going to do when she grabbed him wouldn't amount to much, and thus just let himself be grabbed because that sort of thing has worked to his advantage in the past. Then he realized how strong she actually was, and briefly freaked out - until Yamato showed up with every expectation of knocking her unconscious.
A nice detailed analysis that I agree with
The major problem I had with haki was at Marineford. Let's assume that black coating is a slightly higher level of armament haki. So all the strong fighters were just reluctant to use it despite being in a life or death situation?? Or were they not even capable of that??
I mean wb could have easily dodged the bullets and stabs if he used the coating. So the strongest man in the world didn't even master CoA? I mean just look at how durable other yonkos like bm, kaido are.
Whitebeard was heavily nerfed in marineford,if he was healthy or had no stamina issues,he could have one shot akainu
Haki wasn't shown as something visible in these early days. Rayleigh for example definitely used Haki against Borsalino, but that wasn't shown either. The question is whether the black depiction of armament haki actually exists or whether it's just an abstraction that makes things easier for a visual medium like manga.
00:00:00 ⟾ Intro - nuance, format
00:00:56 ⟾ HAKI AS A CONCEPT - Introduction: late, organic
00:02:12 ⟾ Introduction: early hints/traces
00:02:53 ⟾ Introduction: matching themes, willpower = strength, spirit, ambition
00:05:16 ⟾ Combat: mostly simple/melee physical style
00:06:36 ⟾ Combat: stronger, varied abilities, keeping old style
00:08:06 ⟾ Combat: no added nuance, Luffy vs. Katakuri
00:10:38 ⟾ Combat: more basic, Zoro vs. Pica, Law vs. Vergo, Luffy vs. Doflamingo, Luffy vs. Cracker
00:12:33 ⟾ Combat: not just Haki, use of devil fruits, Gear 4: Bounce-Man, Luffy vs. Sandersonia-Marigold
00:13:32 ⟾ Haki as a Concept - Summary: introduction, complementary, retaining combat style, lack of nuance
00:13:57 ⟾ Advanced Haki - more nuance?, incorporating
00:14:22 ⟾ ADVANCED HAKI - Concept, Different Branches
00:16:14 ⟾ Advanced Haki - Potential, Rayleigh teaching only basics, Improving (only) in Battle: Luffy vs. Crocodile
00:18:30 ⟾ Improving Via Training & Battle: Armament Haki
00:19:10 ⟾ Lack of Clarity: Black Coating
00:20:56 ⟾ Lack of Clarity: Future Sight
00:21:44 ⟾ Advanced Haki - Early Examples: Rayleigh at Sabaody, Admirals at Marineford, Sabo at Dressrosa, Lucci at Enies Lobby, Shyarly at Fish-man Island
00:25:23 ⟾ Advanced Haki - Summary: clarity, rules
00:26:41 ⟾ Summary
00:27:13 ⟾ [Promo]
I’m interested to see Sanji’s and Zoro‘s growth as well. Will they unlock advanced Haki in any form? And they will definitely have become stronger to able to defeat King or Queen. Sanji may have his Raid Suit and Zoro Enma but I don’t think that is enough of they don’t have Haki matching King’s or Queen’s. I really don’t like how some people say that Zoro is already on King’s level because he clearly isn’t.
A whole other topic is: if Enma and Shusui are of the same grade, Zoro‘s strength shouldn’t really change switching from Shusui to Enma. Or are grade and strength of a sword not related? Or maybe Zoro couldn’t unlock Shusui‘s full potential/ability because he wasn’t strong enough? Shusui is a Black Blade though so technically it should be strong by itself (I’m heavily implying here that Enma does in fact make Zoro stronger than Shusui did, at the moment at least, because it wouldn’t make sense for Zoro to get a weapon that ultimately makes him weaker).
Also, does Enma have the ability to store and release Haki to make one Haki infused swing have stronger Haki than it’s user could initially release or to create some kind of Haki burst/blast? Do all of the better swords have a special ability we don’t know about yet, if not why is Enma special in that case? Or do all of the other strong swords just require it’s user to have really strong Haki and Enma doesn’t actually have a special ability but just introduces us to better swords with Shusui being an exception since it’s already a Black Blade?
A lot of questions but I think it’s definitely something worth discussing over, may it be in a comment section.
I think zoro will may make the enma to black blade to beat king.
and shusui (black blade version) and enma(non black blade version) are of the same grade.
so, black blade enma might be stronger
I'll be interested to see if Chopper ever gains any haki upgrade to use in any of his Point forms.
Joyboy’s theory of swords having spirits and individual characters is interesting. Clearly Enma (“cut through to the bottom of hell") and Ame no Habakiri (Snake-Slayer of Heaven) were described as to separate swords with distinct characters. Then you factor in cursed swords, that hunger for blood. It seems each well crafted sword has its own distinct character. Enma’s character just seems different from Shusui’s.
I think zoro has advanced arnament haki already
And sanji has future sight
That's their specialisation
Zohra Beslem They definitely don’t have either. Just because they specialize in one form of Haki doesn’t mean their Haki is the best or already on an advanced level. Luffy’s Observation Haki and Armament Haki should be much better than Zoro’s or Sanji’s. Again: just because Sanji specializes in Observation Haki doesn’t mean his is better than Luffy’s.
Some low level scrub that knows only the very basics of Haki could specializes in Armament Haki but still get easily outclassed by someone else that specializes in Observation Haki.
I agree. Haki walks a tight rope between clarity and ambiguity. I think Oda feels that explaining these things too precisely would shackle him as a writer.
One thing I think you overlooked is that Haki was needed to increase the scale of one piece. If haki was never developed then whoever had the stronger devil fruit would win. Logia's would just be gods of one piece with no counters. You say it hasn't added much nuance but what it does is it increases the ceiling on power. Without Haki how does Luffy ever go past gear 3rd, honestly want more can he do with rubber. Because his fruit is more limited he needs another aspect to add to his moves. Katakuri would be much weaker without haki. Mochi is very soft and not very offensive. That Luffy vs katakrui fight would literally not happen if not for Haki. Oda just used haki to remove that cap on one piece strength. One piece is still going so luffy needs to get stronger and needs more moves. Devil fruits are too limiting on their own. So I would argue that it does add nuance because when combined with a devil fruit powers, haki widens the scopes of fights in both power and variety.
"If haki was never developed then whoever had the stronger devil fruit would win"
*100% false. Buggy's DF is stronger than most DF users in the pre-time skip One Piece, he was still weak. Luffy's DF is actually pretty weak, yet he beat Crocodile and Enel. Sugar has one of the strongest DF's in the series, but she's so weak that she's just a minor antagonist.*
" Logia's would just be gods of one piece with no counters"
*Except Sea Prism, or just the Sea itself, or the elemental weaknesses that Logia's posses (water for croc, rubber for enel, ect)*
"Without Haki how does Luffy ever go past gear 3rd"
*Awakening. Imagine Luffy bouncing around in a giant rubber room over over at faster and faster speeds.*
"Katakuri would be much weaker without haki. Mochi is very soft and not very offensive. That Luffy vs katakrui fight would literally not happen if not for Haki."
*Mochi is sticky and can trap you, give Katakuri a Sea Prism weapon. There you go.*
"So I would argue that it does add nuance because when combined with a devil fruit powers, haki widens the scopes of fights in both power and variety"
*Absolutely not. You no longer need to play against the defensive attributes of DF's.*
*How do you hurt Buggy? Haki.*
*How do you take down Luffy? Haki.*
*How do you hurt Crocodile? Haki.*
*How to hurt Ace? Haki.*
*How to take down Enel? Haki.*
*So on and so forth. All the charm of DF combat is gone.*
@@namuking6532 Thats because all of those fight where designed in way that Luffy could beat them. Water vs Sand.. Rubber vs light. Oda cannot go like this forever.
@@abbasaltake1414 is not light, but its lightning
Lucci may have been using basic, unrefined armament haki as well. While the main way he damaged Luffy was using Rokushiki and his Devil Fruit to pierce and cut Luffy, there were moments where his blunt-force attacks seemed oddly effective. Not to mention that Jabra seemed shocked at how strong Lucci was when when their Doriki was measured, so haki may have been the key to taking Lucci a step above the others.
What about that moment in the paramount war when Luffy redirected his gun gum bazooka, when he had a sudden vision of Mihawk lopping his arms off? Was that observation haki, or just a sudden strike of common sense?
Paramount war is not the Marinefod arc .. ?
@@eazycertifiedgangstere2655 isn't the battle that took place at marineford called the paramount war, or "war of the best"?
@@edub2689 It's both actually.
@@eazycertifiedgangstere2655 pretty sure paramount war, marine Ford, and war of the best are all the same.
I just assumed that you can't actually see haki and the black coating is for clarification.
I’m pretty sure that’s been confirmed
Before introducing advanced levels of haki (future sight, advanced levels of armament) the system wasn't that good because the person with stronger haki always won. Only devil fruits could mix things up. Now it's good.
Still feels like only the devil fruit users are the ones who get to mix it up with their haki
That was never the case though. Luffy defeated 2 Haki users without being able to use it himself.
Hey Arnold agreed. Oda showed multiple times where Devil fruit compensated for lacking haki. Pica was entirely relevant due to his Fruit despite Zoro dwarfing his haki in the end.
Luffy beat Katakuri and his haki was technically weaker. His armament wasn’t as strong and while he did learn future sight it was very inconsistent
@@heyarnold7256 like Morj said physical power can overpower haki but in case of both haki users like Zoro vs Pica it was stated that if Zoro had weaker haki he wouldn't have cut him.
Pre watching the video. I hate conquerors haki. It just feels like glorified crowd control all to make clashes look a little more exciting which isnt really needed as the story sets up clashes pretty well so a bit of coloured electric doesnt really add anything. Plus, im never a fan of powers that only a select few can have without earning them. Armament and Observation on the other hand i really enjoy as it helps keep devil fruits in check by giving non df users a chance and i enjoy the creative ways they've been used so far.
It'll be relevant once Luffy needs to learn it and it'll be such that no characters before this knew about it because only a few select know about it. That's how haki in general was introduced. We got to the point Luffy's strength was capped then boom here's haki go train. Same with future sight, I bet top dollar we'll see advanced CoC have this insane hax ability that will be relevant when Luffy needs it.
conquerors hasn’t really been set up
I think there is advanced conqueres that luffy will learn after wano
Conqueror's feel sort of useless most of the time, they're mostly just intimidating on crack
22:40 Ah yes, the infamous Power Range Pose Haki that only the finest of fighters can possess
HowDid you get to minute 22:40 and the video was released 4 minutes ago
@@eslamanwar1171 Ate the Speed Speed fruit
@@NaturalHypertrophy and the everywhere everywhere no mi too 😂😂, man I find you everywhere on UA-cam
@@tarikizgua1835 Just a biproduct of the Speed Speed no mi, it's awakened
Haki pretty soild power system but I perfer Devil Fruit because of my personal enjoyment and how unique it is.
i really love the simplicity of the haki system and even after re-reading most of one piece i can;t really find anything that stands out except sometimes characters like admirals acting surprised when they encounter a haki user. Aokiji is surprised about marco und vista using haki? lol
The only thing that bugs me is that Luffy ended up saving Ace from his initial execution with conquerors haki. Like no one else in Whitebeards alliance could have done that? What about Whitebeard himself?
WB's haki was really diminished most of the war because of his sickness.
Yeah, it’s inconsistent with power scalers headcanons
Zoro and katakuri fans
Damn I can't believe I never caught the fact that the Admirals were probably using advanced Haki during the war. The power of the Marines makes so much more sense to me now.
"Unless of couse you are a series like jojo where readers wont care if you make up stuff out of nowhere"
-hurts like golden spin
Fujitora can sense the feelings of people with his advanced observation Haki
he also has future sight
Every fight anyone uses Haki on a Logia user is an example of Haki adding nuance. Otherwise the Logia user would just win 99/100 times. Then there's Gear 4th, which can't exist without Haki.
What do you mean it doesn't add nuance? Without it, Oda would have to make sure every Logia type has some arbitrary weakness the Straw Hats can take advantage of. Wouldn't that get stale?
Man, that katakuri's thumbnail got me clicking without thinking
haha "and then oda chose the simple route" is ultimately everything it boilds down to in one piece and all its survace-level complex themes ^^ its underwhelming :D
21:41 isn't not about it being convenient it's about being dramatic. For example if Luffy had used future sight and dodged Apoo's attack how do you stablish him as a threat? How do you show his powers without someone getting hit by them?
That's oda's problem not the fans why do you have to put luffy down to establish apoo as a strong foe do that to anybody else it already seems impossible for luffy to defeat kaido and stuff like luffy getting kod even for a second does not help. My main problem with apoo is not that he was able to hit him but that it was enough to ko him even if it was momenterally. The same luffy who fought kat for hours and did not get ko once and on top of that went on to train his body in the prisoner mines gets ko'd by a fucking explosion it's inconsitent af.
@@ZeroCool007x Yep. An easy fix: just show luffy getting hit, suffer some damage (that's ok), but don't show him being knocked out. Maybe the anime will show the "knockout" in a different fashion, at least I hope so. As for Luffy not predicting the move, we can let that pass. He was not focused on the enemy, neither know how the attack worked... so, even if he predicted, he would suffer damage anyway.
I like how you start off saying it's been 400 chapters since Haki became stardard so now its a reasonable time to start talking about. As if 400 chapters is reasonable in anything but One Piece. Hilarious.
I think that the lack of future sight in the final act of katakuri's battle was cause by the lenght of that Battle. The two characters stamina might be finish, so they couldn't use their observation ability very well. Or another hypothesis might be that katakuri sees Luffy's ability improves and he realizes that using future sight hasn't anymore efficient.
Good video by the way
Imo haki is *way* too generic.
To the point that anything can be explained by haki and pretty much all characters going forward will have similar haki abilities, bcs they simply become a requirement.
Oda should have introduced different kinds of haki as separate magical abilities one obtains in different ways with no expectation that future characters will have the same abilities and with each ability being clearly defined.
If Oda did that, it would heavily contradict the story as there are already seperate abilities already (devil fruits, rokushiki, weapons, hashouken, fishman karate, etc), haki is basically the only ability that levels the plain field for every one else and makes the fights even possible most of the time, I don't see how haki is generic as we spend most of our time in the new world seeing different devil fruits, weapons, and fighting styles, most people don't even use haki in the series Soooo I don't get your point.
The thing about haki is that it is a kind of “power-up” the same way a non-devil fruit eater can beat a devil fruit eater, is the same way a non-haki user can beat a Haki-user, having a devil fruit or haki is a great help, but it doesn’t define the results of the battle before its start. Haki is necessary because some logias are completely overpowered, Luffy only could beat Enel because he is made of rubber and beat Crocodile because he was covered in water, but how can you beat fire, magma or even light?? And to sum up, it’s kind of necessary to learn it to go to the New World, after all, it’s a dangerous place and you need all the help you can get, Zoro awakened his haki against Mr. 1, a long time before the time-skip and Usopp awakened his in Dressrosa, meaning they don’t NEED haki to all it’s battles, but sure it does help them
But, as you said haki means ambition or aspiration or drive. basically another word for willpower. Which you already concluded, the guy with the stronger willpower will ALWAYS be stronger because it literally equals strength.
When they say "your haki is stronger than mine, therefore you can cut me" is just the same as saying "your willpower is stronger than mine, therefor you can cut me".
I don't see a problem here, it's fully consistent with what was before also I think you thought Zoro was cooler when it was mysterious about HOW he was able to be so good with the swords, ofcourse that's still how it is. But the reason he can cut others is because he has a stronger will than them, aka stronger haki.
That Zoro could cut Pika has nothing to do with swordsmanship being thrown under the bus at all. It was purely willpower. The "problem" as you want to make it out, is that the oponents has gotten so strong that the already superp swordsmanship from Zoro means less and yes, obviously!
When they, in the beginning of the series, only were fighting easy targets, ofcourse his super swordsmanship played a bigger role than what it does now. By every arc the difficulty of the oponents increased until we got to the timeskip, where it shot up dramatically but, so did the strawhats powers aswell in order to stay in check with the power of their enemies in the New World. It's truely a timeskip in the essence of it, so that we could finish the series sometime :D hehe
So, I really don't get your opposition to the idea that the fights have boild down to "my will is stronger, therfore I win" because each oponenet is so good that each of their own "combat skills" cancel eachother out.
I actually see no problem with this and think it's way cooler that some of those guys in One Piece are so strong purely because of their will, that they can punch some people out with just a finger.
Its mysterious and cool. There needs not to be more complex combat, even though we will get that with Luffy (invetably) if we don't want Luffy to go around 1 shotting every enemy (which we already have seen, is NOT the case).
TLDR: HAKI FOR THE WIN.
12:00 On the point of Stringfruit, sword and the interaction between luffy and being cut.
Here is how i interpret those scenes. Luffys weakness is being cut, so a haki clad sword can cut his haki clad rubber fist.
Doflamingos strings didnt really cut in the same sense that a sword does. They force apard those things that in the way of it, given enough force is provided. Plus luffys gear forth makes his rubber qualities better while giving him protection.
So the fact that doflamingo cant "cut" him, is because he has no real ability to cut him. His strings dont work the same way that swords do.
Dont know if i am right on this but i also dont know of anything in the one piece verse that disproves me
>they force apart things in the way of it
That's literally the definition of cutting
There's no need to go too deep, especially considering how Doflamingo is a utterly broken character. He and Madara are infamous examples of antagonists abusing the plot armor. Madara had a convenient jutsu for every ocasion, lol Doflamingo is just overpowered for no reason, he can even lock up a freaking admiral, lol and a warrior trained by Mihawk, Zoro and Fujitora can't cut the damn cage. If the logic of the plot got trowed out of the window in favor of (yet another, again, again) "time bomb" plot device, then it's useless to find any logic in a character like Doflamingo. He was just strong, Luffy was somehow stronger (in fact, Oda's back to the basics, rubber >>> strings, the best devil fruit wins).
You must be a valedictorian from diploma in anime bullshit science 😂😂😂
I’m sorry but that’s not how it really works, yes luffy’s weakness is blades but, as oda said, if a users haki is stronger than the other users haki, they can’t cut them. If we were going by your logic then any swordsman can cut through luffy’s armament haki, but this wouldn’t make any sense. I’m going to show you an example. If luffy’s armament haki is stronger than zoros haki, than zoro can’t really cut through luffy’s armament haki because luffy’s haki is stronger and better.
It was confirmed by Oda that Rob Lucci had Haki, before the time-skip, in the Vivre Cards.
Well in databooks it was also comfirmed that Shanks was a Yonkou at the start of the story, so unless Oda puts this information in the cannon storyline i don't believe it.
@McoParkour why it got debunked?
I always assume some character luffy fight pre-timeskip, especially lucci and cp9, had some knowledge of haki, going back i'm assuming the rokushiki are in some way an applied form of haki, especially shigan, tekkai, and kamie
Lucci and crocodile had some knowledge about haki, they're just not saying it with some weird dialogue like "aah, so you don't know how to use haki, heh?"
we don't see black coating pre-timeskip because luffy didn't aware of the concept of it yet
I’m pretty sure Haki is just a way for people without devil fruits to be able to fight people with devil fruits
Any system can appear inconsistent if it isn't used according to a person's head canon. It's kind of like saying the force in Star Wars is inconsistent because people don't spam it between every saber parry or worse, that every duel is badly written because of it.
Nen is very consistent. Haki is incredibly volatile and seems to only matter when certain plot elements have to be hit.
Clyde Nen is by far the best Shounen power system. Haki is just used to compliment other powers, not meant to the end all be all
I agree with what all three of you have said.
Clyde meh
@@uncleiroh4650 I agree somewhat but I don't get what thar changes to my argument? There are plenty of instances where Haki isn't used for ??? reasons.
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I feel like all Haki types will get explained in a lot more detail once Luffy meets Shanks again, along with some hints about the plot connection that at least Conquerors Haki has.
(Commenting before watching) haki was a good addition to the story however the weird it’s portrayed especially PTS raises questions, there’s no reason croc and moriah didn’t atleast have armament and luffys blooming mid battle vs KAT was kinda cheesy
24:14 i mean, it was revealed through the Vivre Cards that some Rokushiki techniques are basically an early version of haki.
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It works well tho in the story of once piece, it is shown many times that the strongest wills are ontop of the world, as well as how well it works in terms of story like the luffy vs katakuri fight where katakuri has a very strong will and was fighting for what he thought was right but throughout the battle strays more and more away from what he thought which would make his haki grow weaker, especially in the end when he gives up since he has no reason left to fight luffy. Luffy also as a character works well in it since he is strong will personified, if luffy says he will do somthing he will do that, that is displayed through his words and his actions, like for example at the start where he says casually that he will become pirate king and doesnt care if he dies trying since he will become the pirate king, and it is also shown through action like how luffy managed to climb up the drum rocks that were 5000meters high barefeet, wearing little clothes, carrying someone on his back and with his teeth, and without gloves either, IN A BLIZZARD, and not only does he do it, but the first thing he does when rescued also is to tell them how much his friends means to him, and he still has the strengt and will to do this after all that. So it may to simpletons seem like a plot armour ability, but its sort of poetic and inspiring to see what Luffy does
In present time, I think haki gave much needed structure to levels in One Piece. But there have been times of inconsistency especially between parts that were drawn years apart. Its only natural, I don’t hold it against Oda. He’s probably just trying to maintain sense in powers, not focus on it like many fans do.
He cares way more about the story than power-scaling.
Doflamingo was one of the character pre timeskip that I do not want Luffy to ever mess with. He seems to be too OP. During pre timeskip he can manipulate people like puppet and easily cut off someone's head in a blink of an eye. But during the Dressrosa arc, Doflamingo only used the puppet technique once and that was after Luffy recovered his haki and before dealing the last blow. Doflamingo also never attempt to cut off Luffy's head. His entire ability became too obvious whereas during the pre timeskip he is somewhat invisible, and that create tension and suspense. Where will his attacks come from? When will he attack? If I let my guard down, he can cut off my head easily. But all of that tension is gone when he used "Overheat" or his awakening, which made all the strings so visible and easy to dodge. In the end it became a generic melee combat to see who hit harder.
Haki isnt a power system like normal power systems are. Usually you look at the technical aspects on what power systems add on to fights mechanically. This is not what the purpose of haki is. Haki is very clearly not designed to be the main power system in one piece not even being introduced/concieved until several hundred chapters into the story.
Where haki shines is in delivering thematic resonance. It literally means willpower. It is the function of how the world operates. People who have the will to put their ideals and life on the line grow in strength while those who give up on their dreams and lose their drive become weak. This is no more clear in characters like crocodile and moria. With crocodile we literally see him regain his drive and become significantly stronger in the story.
In a story with main themes incorporating inherited will and fighting for what your believe, I think its pretty beuatiful that willpower itself is strength. So is haki a bad power system? kind of. but thats not what its meant to be.
One thing you missed is Garp being able to hit Luffy - clearly Haki. Your theory that black armament is a slightly advanced armament would still hold true. The bigger thing that I still need clarity on is Doflamingo slicing Crocodile’s head off in Marineford. Was this just a case of Doffy not using his armament in order to glade Crocodile into teaming up? Or is this a slip-up by Oda? Crocodile should not have advanced observation Haki, as established in the Luffy fight. The problem lies in that Crocodile was portrayed as being able to hold his own against most of the fighters (Doflamingo included), which should not be the case without observation or armament.
About the Doffy and Crocodile one... It was the first one, being the case that Doffy wanted to recruit Crocodile as his ally. He was just teasing him. In the anime you can even tell that Croco wasn't surprised for that attack at all.
And the fact that Crocodile was able to hold a fight against a lot of fighters in Marineford meant nothing due to him being unable to truly damage Akainu for example when he cut him in half. It just meant that he had a great physical strenght enough to keep up in certain areas that do not required Haki. Luffy, unable to use haki did also a great performance there. The video itself explains the importance of phisical fights in the series.
@@ThatAlphamonDude17 Crocodile didn't sense Doflamingo. If he had observation Haki, he would have been able to dodge Luffy's punches. Doflamingo was playing, sure, but had he not been playing, he could have easily killed Crocodile right then and there. That is the issue. Luffy not fearing for his life made sense due to his disregard for his own safety in rescuing Ace. But Crocodile not fearing for his life getting cut by Doffy, or attacking Akainu or WB doesn't make sense given his cautious and meticulous nature. He was portrayed as being able to hold his own, when he shouldn't actually have been able to do so. The only way this would make sense is if it were established that Crocodile had enough Haki to see Doffy attacking him, or damage Akainu (using armament), which we have seen to not be the case due to his fight with Luffy.
To be honest that early Crocodile fight is such a big plot-hole in regards to power-scaling and haki. I understand Oda didn't know how long the series would last, and he created a good narrative structure around the Alabasta saga, but consistency wise it should have been a post Moria arc.
@@ThatAlphamonDude17 Also, physical prowess doesn't make sense. Luffy was shown to be physically stronger than Crocodile. Crocodile just had a hax devil fruit at the time
@@rahulsinha6862 Doffy already expressed his interest in recruiting Croc before the head cutting thing. Don't see why he would be scared then. It's even possible Croc understands how Doffy operates a bit since they were shichibukai for quite a while. And I don't really agree with the attacking WB or Akainu part. He attacked Akainu at exactly the most cautious time, Akainu would have no intention pursuing Croc because of it since he has a bigger fish to catch.
With WB, this is the man who crushed his dream and maybe even the reason his hand is gone. Croc has been shown to get worked up even in alabasta.
I disagree with your statement on Croc's placement in the story. It was perfect.
as a Gamer I would like to put it this way, A AWM has high damage (df) but in a 1v1 it can be defeated by a lower damaging gun (df) with help of maxed out/better attachments (haki).
I think Katakuri vs Luffy very similar to this means having the same guns and same attachments, that is the reason the fight could go either way and decided to tied in the end.
Now if a case where someone has broken weapon (df) and best attachments (haki) how can someone counter that ? well the answer is simple, "TEAMWORK AND NUMBERS". There's a reason Luffy or Zoro can't defeat Kaido on their own. Its like an Admiral vs Yonko scenario, 1 admiral (suppose luffy) can't beat a YONKO (Kaido) but 2 admirals (AOKIJI+AKAINU who have extreme teamwork and experience with each other) can defeat a YONKO. But because Luffy and Zoro are not strong enough they need a 3 admiral (LAW/ KID) to defeat Kaido.
I don't know if this can be called a problem, but sometimes I feel like a visual presentation of how strong the haki of somebody is, would be helpful. Especially armament haki. Otherwise we have to be told whose haki is stronger
you mean power level number like dragon ball?
@@diamondz620 No, maybe something like "the stronger the haki is the deeper the color"
For the sword version of haki, I believe the sword grade indicates how much haki the blade absorbed over its lifetime. Evidence we hear is that a person's haki can make a blade better, and increase its rank, and haki can make something unbreakable. I do believe it also rests on the wielder's imagination.
Honestly... I can't see how Haki is confusing at all. Luffy was at a complete disadvantage UNTIL he pissed Katakuri off and managed to understand why none of his attacks would hit. Katakuri was dodging with his High Observation Haki and Devil Fruit to throw Luffy off. Even after Luffy understood, it still took time to properly dodge on his end. Snakeman was so fast it was hard for Katakuri to fully dodge it.
I see your point of the over importance of haki, but honestly, I think Oda has still made Willpower the overall most important power scaling.
I believe haki is the result of noticing that the DF countering system of pre-haki one piece was eventually going to hit a wall. Sure, rubber could beat electricity, but how could rubber defeat fire? Sure, water can counter sand, but how do you counter strings? Haki. It also allows non-DF users to keep up. I think the problem that I potentially see with haki, is it becoming angry face number battles like dbz. Which I highly doubt given oda's attention to his fights. Ultimately, I feel like haki or "willpower" is the progenitor to everything we seen in the series. Potentially the advance form of conquerors would be conquering death. I.e. Rouge holding her pregnancy for an additional 11 months, or WB fighting while having several fatal injuries.
Luffy is what I call a Determinator, as long as he is determined to win, he will win.
jojo rules for the stands - Stands do follow a set of rules but I will admit that they are very general and a few of them are exceptions to the rules but Stands do follow a set of rules:
One person can only have one Stand
Stands can only be affected by other Stands
If a Stand is injured, the user themselves get injured ((except for automatic Stands)
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The strength/presicion of a Stand is inversely proportional to the distance of it to the user.
Stands move and act according to a user's will
Depending on user, a Stand can develop further
( similar to tusk and echoes )
These 'rules' were taken from a bonus chapter from Part 7. So these might be more applicable to Stands from Part 7 on wards rather than Parts 3 to 6.
I'm not defending haki or anything, but its important to note that like 60% of fanbase probably dont care about the complexities of the OP world
Why people watching his videos then?
@@cangirayicel7639 a rather small fraction of the other 40% of the fanbase that do care, maybe?
@@erikiseki but whats that to do with what he is saying on the video?
Haki is an amazing power system. If haki didn't exist then the people without Devil Fruits would be able to stand a chance against strong opponents, even with devil fruits, haki is still one of the only ways to hurt people, for example, Luffy can't hurt Kaido unless he uses haki.
Imagine red hawk with ryuo
imagine dude
imagine red roc wit conquerors haki
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Ill have to slightly disagree with you. Advanced haki forms greatly change how battles are fought. Future sight not just allows you to see what your opponent will do, but what’s going to happen in the surroundings. The main allure is that it let’s you foil the enemies plans before they start. Advanced armament has just recently been introduced, but when perfected it can damage even the most durable of opponents and lets you do wide scale damage by destroying the surroundings inside out.
The base fundamentals of haki is to be used as a counter to devil fruits (observation lets you predict unknown abilities and armament lets you attack intangible beings). Haki will never be on the level of Nen because it is only a supplement to power. Nen is the entire power system while haki’s serves to further improve your physical capabilities (strength, sense, and will). All in all, it isn’t perfect on it’s own, but when combined with the many martial arts, sword skills, and devil fruits of the one piece world, it fits perfectly.
Only thing I want is for Oda to explain the basics more, such as if focusing armament at one point is stronger than spreading it across your body.
Love the subtle way Oda introduced haki on Skypiea
Oda has done nothing with advanced observation Haki since luffy learnt it, we only have like one confirmed use of it and Oda never gives any hint when Luffy doesn't use it or does use it, I mean we should get confirmations but he doesn't even give hints. The issue is Haki is very vague and Oda barely ever goes into detail, it's always the fans that have to assume things, which is stupid. Compare this to Hxh, where Togashi is so meticulous with the fights and use of Nen. Like seriously, 90% of the discussion surrounding Haki is just interpretation from fans and not actual facts from the manga, because those facts don't exist.
Im okay with Observation & Armament Haki my problem is with Conquerors Haki because everyone says it is the most dangerous haki but it has only been used to knock out fodder or scare animals away.
I have yet to see what it can really do because if you ask me, it has been useless so far.
It’s dangerous because it identifies users who have the potential to bring about great change. Leaders who can take the world by storm. That’s exactly the type of thing that the WG fears the most and other pirate crews get nervous around. Also, any ability that allows you to take out over 50,000 soldiers is with no contact is pretty hax, especially since marines don’t seem to have many people with the ability
Yeah I agree with that in fact no one can name one character that was affected by conquers haki everyone that was affected by it is just a plot device not an actual character with a name and my second problem with it is that there’s no clear reason to why some characters don’t have it other than it’s rare and even that isn’t true
@@uncleiroh4650 it will show its true power in elbaf
Considering conquers use it against each other all the time I'm pretty sure it's basically a psychic attack. Think of it like a constant stamina drain on a opponent cause by their will being forced upon you
Luffy knocked down 50k fishmen with conquer Haki
You laid your criticisms and praise out very well, one thing I've noticed from some people who critique One Piece is either coming from people extremely biased for or against it and Haki and the battle system is one of the bigger debates. Personally, typically, the way I look at anything in fiction is that as long as my sense of immersion isn't broken then I tend to not sweat the tiny details as much - which is not for everyone I know. Say, Luffy versus Crocodile - nothing in those fights felt off-putting or out of place to me and even looking back on it, I have a few complaints, like the subject of Crocodile of not using any Haki but then again nothing about that fight is ruined over all in my eyes. I completely understand that more analytical people may be bothered by it, this is simply my own stance.
I liked it originally a lot... It evened things with logias. The future sight stuff is a bit much.. almost seems unnecessary
I understand the necessity of haki and can heavily appreciate how Oda has planted the seeds throughout the entire story... But at the end of the day I do think it has taken away creativity from One Piece's fights. The way I saw One Piece fights before the timeskip is that they were 90% Dragon ball and 10% JoJo's Bizarre Adventure. That they were mostly straight up confrontations peppered with a small amount of problem solving when it came to a foe with a trick devil fruit power. Where there used to be a small AH HA moment that the character would figure out how to turn the tables with an opponents ability has now been erased since Haki was created. (Granted, this can depend on which characters are fighting.) To go further with the Jo Jo comparison it feels like Oda created Hamon after already creating Stands which has effectively pushed out that 10% of JoJo's influence and made the series' fights 100% dragon ball. Just two strong guys where only one can have the most amount of power... Luckily Haki isn't as nebulous of an internal energy source that can run out whenever it's convenient in the story as Ki or Chakra, but ties into a characters actual will since that's what the word means anyway and the theme of will is baked into the story as a whole. I have other small nitpicks with Haki, but I'll save em' in order for this comment to not become a wall of text lol
TLDR: I like Haki story wise. But creatively, I think it's a boring power that uniforms the variety of that the devil fruits have into playing 2nd banana in order of importance.
I wish the consistency of observation Haki was better. And if a character who is known to have it, doesn’t display OH, then there needs to be a good reason shown. Even if it’s a subtle one. IMO
I find haki more of a support system to the true power system(physical strength devil fruit and weapon/combat skill level).Like a buff you can upgrade your power level by uping the buff...but you can also do the same by a good devil fruit or a superior physical strength.Also one ability for conq haki is somekind of amplification to armament haki.And about rokuogan well...the happo navy have a martial art that uses shockwaves as attacks i think its something like that in other words a martial art that mimics advanced armament haki
I’m excited for this, stay safe and blessed!
Already watched this but great vid
I personally NEED some Haki master to break down all forms off haki showing names for each. I think for the final saga of one piece this is a necessity. You can’t go into the final arc and have all the solutions to conflicts be physical fights and not have the power system completely laid out. At least that’s just me.
Haki is boring.