I can not say whether or not the Rancho RS9000XL shocks had entirely failed or not. I just know that they were not performing at the level they originally did. Having the heavier bumper with winch may have contributed to it. Perhaps the roads in Corpus Christi and during my time traveling through Louisiana to Panama City might have degraded their performance. I do believe that the 9000xl is still a great product and will continue using them on the back of my truck.
I don't understand why Ford still chooses to use a Rancho spec on these trucks. I've never seen any positive reviews on a Rancho, and it's unfortunate that we have to spend additional money on a $70k+ truck to get a decent ride.
As he said you are comparing apples to oranges. Fox and Rancho are more linear to progressive. Bilstein are digressive shocks. Progressive allows oil to pass easily at slow speeds, and more difficult at high speeds. Digressive are the opposite in that slow speeds the oil passes slowly and easily at high speeeds. Digressive is the "european" feel. Not to say your Ranchos were not breaking down, but the comparison you showed was showing the difference in digressive vs. progressive shocks, not really much else. Link to an article that explains this a bit: accutuneoffroad.com/articles/digressive-vs-linear-vs-progressive-pistons-shock-valving/
"speed" is relative to movement of the shock as it travels in and out of the shaft's range of motion. Many people think it is relative to vehicle speed... nope. Pushing down on a shock by hand means absolutely nothing. Only a shock testing machine, Like at Race Tech and other professional suspension component design facilities can really test fluid dynamics. The book, "The Motorcycle Suspension Bible," does a great job looking at several different types of shocks and they way they flow fluids.
Once again, another great video. After I bought my new 2017 RAM 3500 SRW, I replaced all 4 shocks with these same Bilstein 5100 units in 3 months in an effort to smooth out the ride some. Along with dropping the tire pressure to 65 psi in front and 50 psi in rear (while not towing) I have experienced a much better and controllable feel in the ride. I do a lot of highway driving and the Bilsteins have mostly removed the washboard type vibration I felt with the factory shocks. I have not felt the need for the Sulastics, although I did do some further research on them after seeing your earlier video. Thanks!
Great video, thanks. I have a 2011F350 and drive about 3,000 Km each month on Canadian highways for work. Every 14 days I make a longer trip to get to work and then back home and there is a section of road that is about 125Km long and is just brutal. My steering wheel was wobbling about 1/2"-1" over the smallest cracks in the road and the suspension would bottom out on the big ones. I'll add I had 5100's in the rear and 9000's in the front. I had enough and decided to replace them, but with the same products. Turns out one 5100 was leaking badly, though still worked alright, and one 9000 was shot. The others were not terribly well off either but now that they're all replaced the truck rides like a dream again. Now I'm just waiting for the 9000's to fail again but by them I'm moving into a new 450.
Finally. I couldn't believe it when you put on the Rancho 9000's. I put'em on my 91 f350 back in 91 and 21 Ford trucks later never look at them again. Old technology. Bilstien's are the way to go for what you do with it. I run'em on most of my towing trucks and light off road duty trucks. King shocks and Carli springs for the ultimate in off road performance.
Watched a couple of this guy's videos. I have no use for an F450 (or any big truck) but they are interesting to watch so I keep watching. While I don't have a use for such a truck, if I could afford a toy like that I would get one in heartbeat and figure out what to do with it later. LOL
I've only got a 13 F150 Eco with MaxTow and put the Bilstein 5100's on the rear and they made such a difference I had to have the fronts done too. The F150 is more of a 'strut' style setup, so you have to compress the spring, but I still was able to do it in my garage.. Great overall shock imo.
For what it's worth... A few years back I had a set of Ranchos installed on the Ram 2500. Two months later the dealer/installer warrantied them with another set of Ranchos. Two months after that I had the dealer/installer put on a set of Bilsteins as the Ranchos failed again. I never had another problem after that. No off roading, just trailer towing, go figure...
I have the fox 2.0 on my Jeep Wrangler. I also have the adjustable 5100 on my Ram 1500. My opinion is that the fox are stiffer and handle better. I only went with the 5100 due to price because I leveled out my truck 2.1 inches in the front with the 5100s
I have a 2006 F250 with the same adjustable Rancho shocks. The truck, although the shocks have been on there for a while, drives very loosey goosey now. I think it’s time for new shocks! Great video!
Simply put you’ll notice GM and Dodge both have gone to Fox. The 5100 is a good shock but it’s still one of their entry level shocks. Unless it’s a big buck sponsor you will find very very few people running Rancho in the off road community. Side note, I don’t claim to be an expert but have been involved in the business end of the off road sport since the early 70’s and just observing the last few years that Fox and King are the shock of choice be it off road or the 3/4 one ton pickups. Upper end Bilstein and Sway Away have a pretty good following also. Great vid.
I agree, Fox are great. However, when you're talking offroad and one road HD work, that is very very different workloads. I keep seeing this where there is discussion about putting in really high end shocks that do terrific offroad onto HD trucks pulling 12/20/30,000 lbs+ down the road - that's just very different.
The Bilstein is a monotube gas shock and Rancho is a twin tube gas shock. The Bilstein has a floating piston that divides the gas from the oil and runs a higher psi gas charge. The Rancho has the twin tube design. Low psi gas on the outside tube with oil on the inside tube. In order for a gas twin tube shock to work properly, it must be mounted in the proper orientation. That guy compressing the shocks had the Rancho upside down.
I could see the hood rolling/bouncing when you pulled into the shop and could sort of tell where you were going with this video. Learned a lot from this video as usual. Thank you!
You can't test the performance of a shock absorber with a simple hand compression test without knowing the construction of the shock absorber. Also truck shock absorbers have a harder compression and extension resistance. Before deeming a good or bad shock absorber you need more data from test equipment not the force of a non mechanic, book reading person. I know that I am sounding like a troll but I am getting a little tired of bogus information in the internet. To all the readers and watchers beware.
I can test the performance of a shock based on its change in dampening over a period of a year though. I understand the purpose and function of a damper and know that compression and rebound mean very little. However, the resistance it provides means everything. These shocks were clearly losing their ability to resist/dampen the front suspension movement the way they were designed. Viewers beware of folks like this. :)
"speed" is relative to movement of the shock as it travels in and out of the shaft's range of motion. Many people think it is relative to vehicle speed... nope. Pushing down on a shock by hand means absolutely nothing... unless your your shock or strut is totally shot.... Only a shock testing machine, Like at Race Tech and other professional suspension component design facilities can really test fluid dynamics. Driver feel plush, stiffer, spring rate, etc. mean a lot when doing this work. The book, "The Motorcycle Suspension Bible," does a great job looking at several different types of shocks and they way they flow fluids.
I add the Rancho with adjustable dampening and it made a huge difference. I no longer porpoise while towing the trailer. Plus rides very nice when not towing. Hope mine don't break in a year that will be disappointing.
Hey boss thank you for that video, I really really appreciate all of the info that you give us on your videos and has helped me tremendously on making decisions for things that I want after I watch your demonstrations.. I knew that will sign was going to be the shock that I really wanted but this just confirms after I seen the Fail on those ranchos .. I have done tons of research and came up with the bill Stein speaking on top for exactly what you said that was, everyday driving but a supreme superior shock over above the Rest, And I had already talked to a guy about the Fox and found out exactly what he explained to you. But when he did that test of compressing both of those shocks right there on the video that confirmed how much I really appreciate that bill Stein shock it was told to me through bill Stein company that they were a solid good company for this kind of quality...So thank you very much for everything you do and show us in your Videos, it means a lot to me brother..
I personally liked the fox 2.0 on my F-350 4 door long bed with a 4.5 inch lift. I usually had around 1000lbs of payload in the bed. I had a friend with the exact truck with Bilstein 5100. They leaked oil from the seal within one year. Just my 2 cents. Great channel by the way. I enjoy your videos. I am an avid RV'r as well
I was going to swap out my 5100s for Rancho 9000s based on your other video. This video just changed all that. I’ll stick w my bilsteins until I go Fox.
This pretty much mirrors my experience with Rancho shocks and the reason why I'll never buy Rancho again. I've had a good experience with Bilstein and Fox.
I use kyb mono max for on road use for all my heavy duty trucks. By far the best shock for the application. I have all tried the Bilstiens 5100 and found that they are excellent in comfort and off road performance, just not good enough for me when hauling heavy like the KYB Mono Max. PS. if you think that Bilstien is difficult to compress, try the Mono max!!
You've had the current F450 for close to a year now. Probably a good idea to start looking at the 019s or anticipated new model in 2020. I anticipate seeing these bilsteins being transferred to your 2020 F450 in about six months.
Rancho shocks used to be really good before they got bought out by Monroe !!! Their quality went way down when Monroe purchased Rancho. I run a set of Bilstein Hotchkis TVS shocks on my 99 Dakota these are specially tuned shocks for the Hotchkis suspension system they used to sell for the Dakota and mine are over 12 years old and still going strong to this day. No signs of leaking or even wear for that matter.
I got a 2014 Sierra with the ranchos with 75,000 on them and the ride is still good, maybe different versions then what the ford uses but no problems with mine.
Sorry to be so late commenting but you forgot that you did drive across Louisiana on I-10 with those Rancho's. Now with being said I live in Louisiana on a ranch where I do tend to bounce around in my 3500 4x4 dually with a Cummins and I run Rancho 5000 and they've been on here over a year and still seem in good shape plus I pull a 40' gooseneck loaded with 28 rolls of hay and across the pasture too. Which shocks would you use.
Wow I wish I had your money to spend on my trucks! I got 60,000 on my truck in the original shocks still seem fine! Love your vids though keep it going.
Bilstien is the best shock for the money. If you get the one's with the reservoir even better. Any that complains about Bilstien doesn't have a clue what the shock is for
Great video. I just purchased a 2018 F350. Could you do a video on the door recall for the Ford trucks . Doors will not shut below 30 degrees ...I've taking my truck 3 times to dealership and whatever they are doing doesn't work . 6000 miles on it and can't drive it when it's cold out and I live in Ohio . Thanks, Happy Holidays
Relative air temperature doesn't mean much... it is how hot the shock gets from friction of fluid dynamics and parts rubbing on each other. A wasted shock will overheat fast and cause any gases trapped in the shock to expand and effect the ability of the device to perform properly. Same problem with brake fluid....
Maybe this is the issue I’m having. I just bought a 2014 f450. Coming home on the interstate I would hit some not so smooth portions. The truck would start bouncing like crazy!
@7:12 Joey now has lower back problems!!! Just kidding what a great sport to be in your video. Bet Rancho used some Chinese components , before Ranchos big production move bet they were all American made parts.
I’m sure the bilstein stiffened the ride up. They were uncomfortable as h@ll on my 2017 f250 I ripped them off 3 months in and bought the Rancho 9000xls on and love them. I’ll never buy bilstein again. One of the bilstein 5100’s would get to hot to touch on the front just going down the highway also. First and last time to buy them.
I have a 2017f350 King Ranch and put the Ranchos on after seeing your video,They were warranted 2 times in a year and are bad again.guess I will go back to the billstein shocks.way to much aggravation for shocks.
I have a 2016 F350 king ranch DRW. I tow a gooseneck with backhoe. Towing just under 35,000 lbs would Bilstein 5100 Series work for me? Or what’s your opinion. I’m also putting air lift airbags ultimate 5000 soon.
It looks like in the one pic your front tires are starting to scrub off a bit on the inside lug? My toyo,s. Are doing this on my 2016 F450 . I’m waiting to hear back from toyo rep
Lawrence Williamson my Toyo 608s only lasted 18k. I was running 245s on stock wheels though. That was their excuse for them not lasting. I believe I got a bad set. They were extremely soft and never stopped squirming around. But they did whatever you asked of them on the job site.
Just bough and installed the Rancho 9000 on my ram 2500 wish you would have done 6 month review hope mine last longer. Love the ride on low settings empty, very happy home warranty helped out in your situation?
Not disagreeing necessarily, but I know someone who live in Corpus Christie, every time he comes to Michigan he complains about how bad our roads are. Guess lesson here is if you do mostly highway driving in Michigan, go with fox shocks lol.
Hey, I know this is a few years old, could you post an update? And which size did you install on the rears? Thanks. Late commer to your page. Fabulous job!
I'm looking to get Bilstein shocks for my 2019 F-450. And would like to get the 5100, but I'm being told the only application that fits my truck is the 4600. Will the 5100 fit my truck, both front and rear??? Thanks
Planning to look at trading my 16 Denali 3500 for a Ford 350 or 450. How is the fuel economy on the 450 with the 4.30 gears? I didn’t see optional gears on the 450. My 3500 is 3.73 I believe, and it gets good mileage
This guy is making a mountain out of a mole hill. I'm 135lbs and a small frame. I easily put my 5100s on my 3500hd. They compress just as easily but they are slower to compress where the ranchos compress faster. It's just how the valving works. On the bilstiens they are right for even the smallest bump where the ranchos are loose and only get tight if compressed almost fully like if you are offroading
Just curious you mentioned about a year but how many miles do they have on them? I have been curious also because like someone else mentioned your front tires seem to be showing wear but cameras play tricks on us. Thank You
Little bumps need little damping to feel plush... Big bumps at approach speeds, that cause the shock to compress quickly, will need greater damping to create a plusher ride over rough terrain. The spring rate actually determines how much pressure (weight) will be required to move the dynamic load between the bottom half of the spring (weight of the tire, wheel, suspension parts...things that hang under the chassis...) and the upper half of the spring (truck body, fluids, passengers, hitch weight, can of dog food, etc. lol). Springs accommodate weight. Shocks deal with how fast the spring moves up and down. Think desert racer truck vs. Cadillac.... Effectively, the vehicle should (when traveling over an appropriate size bump or hole should only oscillate (compress, extend past neutral point, and compress back to neutral) one time. Body of vehicle should go: down-up-down. A vehicle must be first set to design load weight. Then, the shock damping rate is selected.
BTBRV, You talk about failed components after a year. How many miles does a year amount to? Yes, a shock shouldn’t stop dampening after a year of use if it’s designed properly and sized accordingly. I’m going to wager a guess that Fox has four or five reservoir sizes and just changes the stroke rod to compensate for different eye to eye lengths under minimum and maximum stroke. The shocks that require two men and a boy to install are gas charged to create a high internal pressure to keep the oil from foaming, and losing the ability to dampen. Think of the oil inside as soda in a bottle. Unopened you can see tiny bubbles, opened, all those bubbles want out. Closed the bottle is ridged, opened it compresses on itself. They (the shock manufacturers change the valving to slow the transfer of the oil between the chambers). Improper evacuation of air from the oil used as well as not charging the nitrogen to a high enough level causes foamy oil and crappy performance.
I can not say whether or not the Rancho RS9000XL shocks had entirely failed or not. I just know that they were not performing at the level they originally did. Having the heavier bumper with winch may have contributed to it. Perhaps the roads in Corpus Christi and during my time traveling through Louisiana to Panama City might have degraded their performance. I do believe that the 9000xl is still a great product and will continue using them on the back of my truck.
Have you thought about adding the bilstein steering dampener shock?
Thought you were ordering Bilstein's for the rear, when you got back from your test drive?
Do you have a part # I can't seem to find these for a 2017 f450
perhaps
I don't understand why Ford still chooses to use a Rancho spec on these trucks. I've never seen any positive reviews on a Rancho, and it's unfortunate that we have to spend additional money on a $70k+ truck to get a decent ride.
My ‘18 F350 FX4 doesn’t have them
As he said you are comparing apples to oranges. Fox and Rancho are more linear to progressive. Bilstein are digressive shocks. Progressive allows oil to pass easily at slow speeds, and more difficult at high speeds. Digressive are the opposite in that slow speeds the oil passes slowly and easily at high speeeds. Digressive is the "european" feel. Not to say your Ranchos were not breaking down, but the comparison you showed was showing the difference in digressive vs. progressive shocks, not really much else. Link to an article that explains this a bit: accutuneoffroad.com/articles/digressive-vs-linear-vs-progressive-pistons-shock-valving/
Just learned a lot. Thanks.
Never knew the difference, but I love my Bilsteins shocks on my F150 4 x 4 Supercrew.
"speed" is relative to movement of the shock as it travels in and out of the shaft's range of motion. Many people think it is relative to vehicle speed... nope. Pushing down on a shock by hand means absolutely nothing. Only a shock testing machine, Like at Race Tech and other professional suspension component design facilities can really test fluid dynamics. The book, "The Motorcycle Suspension Bible," does a great job looking at several different types of shocks and they way they flow fluids.
This is the first time I've seen BigTruckBigRV save money by re-using something! Very cool.
Once again, another great video. After I bought my new 2017 RAM 3500 SRW, I replaced all 4 shocks with these same Bilstein 5100 units in 3 months in an effort to smooth out the ride some. Along with dropping the tire pressure to 65 psi in front and 50 psi in rear (while not towing) I have experienced a much better and controllable feel in the ride. I do a lot of highway driving and the Bilsteins have mostly removed the washboard type vibration I felt with the factory shocks. I have not felt the need for the Sulastics, although I did do some further research on them after seeing your earlier video. Thanks!
Hey you are so Lucky to have such a great Truck Shop right Near you. ! Awesome. 🇺🇸
JD lose the background music PLEASE.. drowns out the conversation..I'm really want to here what this guy is saying. Great video
Exactly what I have experienced with multiple Ranch shocks on different trucks. I run bilstein only and they always perform well and hold up.
Great video, thanks. I have a 2011F350 and drive about 3,000 Km each month on Canadian highways for work. Every 14 days I make a longer trip to get to work and then back home and there is a section of road that is about 125Km long and is just brutal. My steering wheel was wobbling about 1/2"-1" over the smallest cracks in the road and the suspension would bottom out on the big ones. I'll add I had 5100's in the rear and 9000's in the front. I had enough and decided to replace them, but with the same products. Turns out one 5100 was leaking badly, though still worked alright, and one 9000 was shot. The others were not terribly well off either but now that they're all replaced the truck rides like a dream again. Now I'm just waiting for the 9000's to fail again but by them I'm moving into a new 450.
Finally. I couldn't believe it when you put on the Rancho 9000's. I put'em on my 91 f350 back in 91 and 21 Ford trucks later never look at them again. Old technology. Bilstien's are the way to go for what you do with it. I run'em on most of my towing trucks and light off road duty trucks. King shocks and Carli springs for the ultimate in off road performance.
Bilstein has always made a great shock.
I guess that's why GM uses them OE.
Yes they do and will make all the difference in the world on a Ram 3500 DRW!! Experienced it!!!!
Watched a couple of this guy's videos. I have no use for an F450 (or any big truck) but they are interesting to watch so I keep watching. While I don't have a use for such a truck, if I could afford a toy like that I would get one in heartbeat and figure out what to do with it later. LOL
Thanks for the video. Awesome. More than likely I may go with the Fox shocks. Will be towing a 44 foot DRV fifth wheel trailer.
I've only got a 13 F150 Eco with MaxTow and put the Bilstein 5100's on the rear and they made such a difference I had to have the fronts done too. The F150 is more of a 'strut' style setup, so you have to compress the spring, but I still was able to do it in my garage.. Great overall shock imo.
For what it's worth... A few years back I had a set of Ranchos installed on the Ram 2500. Two months later the dealer/installer warrantied them with another set of Ranchos. Two months after that I had the dealer/installer put on a set of Bilsteins as the Ranchos failed again. I never had another problem after that. No off roading, just trailer towing, go figure...
I have the fox 2.0 on my Jeep Wrangler. I also have the adjustable 5100 on my Ram 1500. My opinion is that the fox are stiffer and handle better. I only went with the 5100 due to price because I leveled out my truck 2.1 inches in the front with the 5100s
Definitely gonna go a different route on my 06 F350. Thanks great info
I have a 2006 F250 with the same adjustable Rancho shocks. The truck, although the shocks have been on there for a while, drives very loosey goosey now. I think it’s time for new shocks! Great video!
Blisteins are great, my dads last set lasted 35 years.
Simply put you’ll notice GM and Dodge both have gone to Fox. The 5100 is a good shock but it’s still one of their entry level shocks. Unless it’s a big buck sponsor you will find very very few people running Rancho in the off road community. Side note, I don’t claim to be an expert but have been involved in the business end of the off road sport since the early 70’s and just observing the last few years that Fox and King are the shock of choice be it off road or the 3/4 one ton pickups. Upper end Bilstein and Sway Away have a pretty good following also. Great vid.
I agree, Fox are great. However, when you're talking offroad and one road HD work, that is very very different workloads. I keep seeing this where there is discussion about putting in really high end shocks that do terrific offroad onto HD trucks pulling 12/20/30,000 lbs+ down the road - that's just very different.
The Bilstein is a monotube gas shock and Rancho is a twin tube gas shock. The Bilstein has a floating piston that divides the gas from the oil and runs a higher psi gas charge. The Rancho has the twin tube design. Low psi gas on the outside tube with oil on the inside tube. In order for a gas twin tube shock to work properly, it must be mounted in the proper orientation. That guy compressing the shocks had the Rancho upside down.
Not a big fan of Rancho Shocks bilstein's are so much better! Thank you for sharing!
I could see the hood rolling/bouncing when you pulled into the shop and could sort of tell where you were going with this video. Learned a lot from this video as usual. Thank you!
You can't test the performance of a shock absorber with a simple hand compression test without knowing the construction of the shock absorber. Also truck shock absorbers have a harder compression and extension resistance. Before deeming a good or bad shock absorber you need more data from test equipment not the force of a non mechanic, book reading person. I know that I am sounding like a troll but I am getting a little tired of bogus information in the internet. To all the readers and watchers beware.
I can test the performance of a shock based on its change in dampening over a period of a year though. I understand the purpose and function of a damper and know that compression and rebound mean very little. However, the resistance it provides means everything. These shocks were clearly losing their ability to resist/dampen the front suspension movement the way they were designed. Viewers beware of folks like this. :)
"speed" is relative to movement of the shock as it travels in and out of the shaft's range of motion. Many people think it is relative to vehicle speed... nope. Pushing down on a shock by hand means absolutely nothing... unless your your shock or strut is totally shot.... Only a shock testing machine, Like at Race Tech and other professional suspension component design facilities can really test fluid dynamics. Driver feel plush, stiffer, spring rate, etc. mean a lot when doing this work.
The book, "The Motorcycle Suspension Bible," does a great job looking at several different types of shocks and they way they flow fluids.
I add the Rancho with adjustable dampening and it made a huge difference. I no longer porpoise while towing the trailer. Plus rides very nice when not towing. Hope mine don't break in a year that will be disappointing.
Hey I just put the fox 2.0 with adjustable reservoir on my 2019 with 6300 miles. 1 test drive of 2 miles and can tell a difference! Easy install.
Hey boss thank you for that video, I really really appreciate all of the info that you give us on your videos and has helped me tremendously on making decisions for things that I want after I watch your demonstrations.. I knew that will sign was going to be the shock that I really wanted but this just confirms after I seen the Fail on those ranchos .. I have done tons of research and came up with the bill Stein speaking on top for exactly what you said that was, everyday driving but a supreme superior shock over above the Rest, And I had already talked to a guy about the Fox and found out exactly what he explained to you. But when he did that test of compressing both of those shocks right there on the video that confirmed how much I really appreciate that bill Stein shock it was told to me through bill Stein company that they were a solid good company for this kind of quality...So thank you very much for everything you do and show us in your Videos, it means a lot to me brother..
I personally liked the fox 2.0 on my F-350 4 door long bed with a 4.5 inch lift. I usually had around 1000lbs of payload in the bed. I had a friend with the exact truck with Bilstein 5100. They leaked oil from the seal within one year. Just my 2 cents. Great channel by the way. I enjoy your videos. I am an avid RV'r as well
Oh wow By the thumbnail I thought something "Ford" failed.
I was thinking the same thing!
Well it has fmc on the shocks so technically it was
@@supertanker9681 Ford probably farms them out to a vendor. Companies like Tenneco make OEM shocks. Every outsourced part says Ford on them.
I was going to swap out my 5100s for Rancho 9000s based on your other video. This video just changed all that. I’ll stick w my bilsteins until I go Fox.
Toyota Tundra TRD uses Bilstein 4600’s as the factory shock, never had a customer complaint. 👍
The 4600 line is great for halfton trucks all makes. The 5100 line is made for more weight or more rough use such as offroad
Great video - thanks!
Appreciate your videos sir!
I gotta give those a try. My 2015 F450 with steel bed rides like a tank. I feel every crack in the road.
Had the same issues. The RS9000xls did great for the first 6 months... But went down hill fast. Just ordered the Bilstein 5100s
Please make sure to give these a 1 year review as well please.
Love my Bilsteins on 2014 F150 4 x4 Supercrew.
This pretty much mirrors my experience with Rancho shocks and the reason why I'll never buy Rancho again. I've had a good experience with Bilstein and Fox.
Running fox 2.0 with adjustable reservoir all the way around on my F450. I like them.
Did it firm up your ride?
I use kyb mono max for on road use for all my heavy duty trucks. By far the best shock for the application. I have all tried the Bilstiens 5100 and found that they are excellent in comfort and off road performance, just not good enough for me when hauling heavy like the KYB Mono Max. PS. if you think that Bilstien is difficult to compress, try the Mono max!!
I was about to order the 9000XL’s for my 450 Limited. Glad I didnt
You've had the current F450 for close to a year now. Probably a good idea to start looking at the 019s or anticipated new model in 2020. I anticipate seeing these bilsteins being transferred to your 2020 F450 in about six months.
ive had good luck with KYB shocks in the past
Bilistein are mono tube gas chamber @ 250psi KYB offers same for slightly less in Mono Max line. Rancho on factory are POS OEM.
Good review. Dont forget bilstein shocks are lifetime warranty too.
That Rancho probably wasn't designed for that added weight of your bumper. That's like driving around with a snow plow on.
could be true. plus the winch
Good point!
Rancho shocks used to be really good before they got bought out by Monroe !!! Their quality went way down when Monroe purchased Rancho. I run a set of Bilstein Hotchkis TVS shocks on my 99 Dakota these are specially tuned shocks for the Hotchkis suspension system they used to sell for the Dakota and mine are over 12 years old and still going strong to this day. No signs of leaking or even wear for that matter.
Seems like you should get more than a year out of those shocks
New subscriber!! And what a beauty of a truck that is!!
Great info in this video!
Even better that I have a set of Bilstein shocks sitting here waiting to install on my '18 Chevy !
Glad for this video was about to buy some Rancho shocks
Never had any luck with Rancho shocks. Early failures, broken eyes, etc.
I got a 2014 Sierra with the ranchos with 75,000 on them and the ride is still good, maybe different versions then what the ford uses but no problems with mine.
Sorry to be so late commenting but you forgot that you did drive across Louisiana on I-10 with those Rancho's. Now with being said I live in Louisiana on a ranch where I do tend to bounce around in my 3500 4x4 dually with a Cummins and I run Rancho 5000 and they've been on here over a year and still seem in good shape plus I pull a 40' gooseneck loaded with 28 rolls of hay and across the pasture too. Which shocks would you use.
I wish I had seen this before I just had the rancho’s installed
Great info, Merry Christmas you and your family.
Thank you, great video. Can you do a review on your new tires and centramtic balancers. Thanks.
I had a tire shop put coil over kit and rear shocks on my f150, they used napa parts.
Biggest mistake ever.
when I hit a bump it bounces for days
Wow I wish I had your money to spend on my trucks! I got 60,000 on my truck in the original shocks still seem fine! Love your vids though keep it going.
Bilstien is the best shock for the money. If you get the one's with the reservoir even better. Any that complains about Bilstien doesn't have a clue what the shock is for
Have you pulled your trailer over a 8% grade ? Mine pull it up it 65 dropped 1 green went down hill 65 it held it 65 . The best f250 I've had.
I just installed the rancho 9000 in the rear of my dually. I wonder if I could run the bilstein 5100's in the front and keep the rancho's in the back.
Great video.
I just purchased a 2018 F350.
Could you do a video on the door recall for the Ford trucks .
Doors will not shut below 30 degrees ...I've taking my truck 3 times to dealership and whatever they are doing doesn't work . 6000 miles on it and can't drive it when it's cold out and I live in Ohio .
Thanks,
Happy Holidays
I have to wonder how much the heat in TX plays a roll in the life of the shocks. I don’t have that issue on my 2016, still on factory shocks.
Relative air temperature doesn't mean much... it is how hot the shock gets from friction of fluid dynamics and parts rubbing on each other. A wasted shock will overheat fast and cause any gases trapped in the shock to expand and effect the ability of the device to perform properly. Same problem with brake fluid....
pilot nelson, I agree with this partially only because in a hot environment items heat up quicker to begin with.
Maybe this is the issue I’m having. I just bought a 2014 f450. Coming home on the interstate I would hit some not so smooth portions. The truck would start bouncing like crazy!
@7:12 Joey now has lower back problems!!!
Just kidding what a great sport to be in your video.
Bet Rancho used some Chinese components , before Ranchos big production move
bet they were all American made parts.
My Bilsteins are 16 year's old and still going strong 02 Toyota Tundra
I’m sure the bilstein stiffened the ride up. They were uncomfortable as h@ll on my 2017 f250 I ripped them off 3 months in and bought the Rancho 9000xls on and love them. I’ll never buy bilstein again. One of the bilstein 5100’s would get to hot to touch on the front just going down the highway also. First and last time to buy them.
Question BTBR, Bilstein doesn't show
p/n's for 5100 series for 2017 f450. What did you use?
I have a 2017f350 King Ranch and put the Ranchos on after seeing your video,They were warranted 2 times in a year and are bad again.guess I will go back to the billstein shocks.way to much aggravation for shocks.
Good video. I hope you like your bilstein's. I put Fox shocks on my F450 and I love them but I like a firmer ride myself.
How are they on towing do you have the ones with the Reservoir
@@mexikanox1118I don't have that truck any more but they did worked great on towing and yes I did
Where they the 2.0 I’m gonna go rod then
I have a 2016 F350 king ranch DRW. I tow a gooseneck with backhoe. Towing just under 35,000 lbs would Bilstein 5100 Series work for me? Or what’s your opinion. I’m also putting air lift airbags ultimate 5000 soon.
It looks like in the one pic your front tires are starting to scrub off a bit on the inside lug? My toyo,s. Are doing this on my 2016 F450 . I’m waiting to hear back from toyo rep
Lawrence Williamson my Toyo 608s only lasted 18k. I was running 245s on stock wheels though. That was their excuse for them not lasting. I believe I got a bad set. They were extremely soft and never stopped squirming around. But they did whatever you asked of them on the job site.
My ram came stock with billstien shocks 👍👍
I pause at 3:18 to say, man, I sure Ford made our F150 shocks that easy to replace!
Just bough and installed the Rancho 9000 on my ram 2500 wish you would have done 6 month review hope mine last longer. Love the ride on low settings empty, very happy home warranty helped out in your situation?
the 5100s are some of the best shocks I've ever ran
I agree they last forever ride exceptional and have an awesome warranty
This along with front end steering dampener should fix my 2019 F350 DRW 6.7 Turbo Diesel FX4 front end issues. What rear shock are you suggesting
Not disagreeing necessarily, but I know someone who live in Corpus Christie, every time he comes to Michigan he complains about how bad our roads are. Guess lesson here is if you do mostly highway driving in Michigan, go with fox shocks lol.
I got a 2019 F450 flat bed 4WD they can’t find the Bilstiens 5100.. Any info would be big help
I have ranchos on my 2016 F350 75,000 miles on her and she is handling like crap , I will look in to the shocks. Thanks for that info
At least you had a pair of front shocks to replace the factory ones.
Hey, I know this is a few years old, could you post an update? And which size did you install on the rears? Thanks. Late commer to your page. Fabulous job!
I've been very happy with them
@@BigTruckBigRV Thank you sir. Could you tell me what Bilsteins went into the rear?
You should check out Fox shocks.
used them on my other trucks. Way too firm for my liking.
Great to know and thanks. 🤠
How’s the front tires wearing? Time doesn’t matter it’s the mileage on the shocks….
Can you please make a video on how to properly set up tow mirrors. I can never seem to get the convex mirror to show anything useful. Thanks!
I'm looking to get Bilstein shocks for my 2019 F-450. And would like to get the 5100, but I'm being told the only application that fits my truck is the 4600. Will the 5100 fit my truck, both front and rear??? Thanks
That is correct. You will need to press in new bushings to fit.
It’s how they handle the heat is what’s important. Use a temp gun when testing
How about the Sumo on the front and back and shocks?
My 2016 f-450 could use a new rear pair of Bilstine shocks. Will yours be going up for sail?
Planning to look at trading my 16 Denali 3500 for a Ford 350 or 450. How is the fuel economy on the 450 with the 4.30 gears? I didn’t see optional gears on the 450. My 3500 is 3.73 I believe, and it gets good mileage
Use a bottle jack with the shocks. Makes it fairly easy.
This guy is making a mountain out of a mole hill. I'm 135lbs and a small frame. I easily put my 5100s on my 3500hd. They compress just as easily but they are slower to compress where the ranchos compress faster. It's just how the valving works. On the bilstiens they are right for even the smallest bump where the ranchos are loose and only get tight if compressed almost fully like if you are offroading
Just curious you mentioned about a year but how many miles do they have on them? I have been curious also because like someone else mentioned your front tires seem to be showing wear but cameras play tricks on us. Thank You
Bilstein doesn’t offer a rear shock for a F 450 2019 what did you do?
Little bumps need little damping to feel plush...
Big bumps at approach speeds, that cause the shock to compress quickly, will need greater damping to create a plusher ride over rough terrain. The spring rate actually determines how much pressure (weight) will be required to move the dynamic load between the bottom half of the spring (weight of the tire, wheel, suspension parts...things that hang under the chassis...) and the upper half of the spring (truck body, fluids, passengers, hitch weight, can of dog food, etc. lol). Springs accommodate weight. Shocks deal with how fast the spring moves up and down. Think desert racer truck vs. Cadillac.... Effectively, the vehicle should (when traveling over an appropriate size bump or hole should only oscillate (compress, extend past neutral point, and compress back to neutral) one time. Body of vehicle should go: down-up-down. A vehicle must be first set to design load weight. Then, the shock damping rate is selected.
Ranchos are terrible I stopped using them 10 years ago. They will ruin your tires
BTBRV,
You talk about failed components after a year. How many miles does a year amount to?
Yes, a shock shouldn’t stop dampening after a year of use if it’s designed properly and sized accordingly.
I’m going to wager a guess that Fox has four or five reservoir sizes and just changes the stroke rod to compensate for different eye to eye lengths under minimum and maximum stroke.
The shocks that require two men and a boy to install are gas charged to create a high internal pressure to keep the oil from foaming, and losing the ability to dampen. Think of the oil inside as soda in a bottle. Unopened you can see tiny bubbles, opened, all those bubbles want out. Closed the bottle is ridged, opened it compresses on itself.
They (the shock manufacturers change the valving to slow the transfer of the oil between the chambers). Improper evacuation of air from the oil used as well as not charging the nitrogen to a high enough level causes foamy oil and crappy performance.
If you really want to test those shocks come to Michigan
You really want to test shocks drive I-5 in Washington orI-90 between Seattle and Ellensburg
Nice!!