suggestion: when pulling a tire off, as an extra precaution, I have always been taught to put the tire under the vehicle. Gets the tire out of your way, and If the jack, or if using jack stands, fail, move, etc, the tire will catch the vehicle, and hopefully not crush you. Good video. Look forward to more feedback on the difference.
Last time I checked, the video was about Fox 2.0 vs Bilstein 5100s. lol. Why do people like you ALWAYS feel the need to comment on how people do other things? If I want to watch a video on how to change a shock on (insert vehicle), I'll search for "HOW TO CHANGE A SHOCK ON A ___________"
@@cjlos2050sp I have Bilstein 5100's on a lifted Wrangler and everything he said in the video is true. You can hit corners a fairly high speeds and have zero body roll. But if you hit a pothole, you WILL hear it! Definitely less dampening than other shocks -- Feel like I'm driving in a U-Haul at times. Then again, I've towed a large trailer and a boat and the backend didn't dip down at all...
Thanks SOOOOO Much for doing this video. I know people who are often trying to decide between the 5100s and the Fox 2.0 Performance (snap-ring). Nice to see a good A/B comparison between the two. I just wish the 2.0s on the front were as easy to change on a 4runner as they are on a jeep.
They are still relatively simple. Just leave the top hat in place and only remove the head bolt. Disconnect the sway bar, remove brake caliper, remove lower control arm. the spring will push the stock shock down, and you can pull it out form there. Easy peasy
Good review. I run Dobinsons IMS which is a floating piston design that I think is similar to Fox. They ride very well and provide great control. I've modified my control arm and rear axle setup to use extended bump stops. Much thicker and softer than the normally hard landing that comes with stock bump stops. The extended bumps function more like jounce bumpers. This gives a way to have your cake (ride) and eat it (no bottoming out) too. Great ride without bottoming out on up travel. Within 1/4 inch of max droop on the down travel. If I see you sometime, I can explain it.
The Fox work best at the mall obstacles and prefer them here on the horse paths of PA. The build quality and corrosion resistance is better as well on the Fox. When you get up into a Bilstein 7100 series, its a lot closer to the 2.0. The nice thing about the 7100 is you can also get it in a short body.
I swapped from Rancho 9000s to Bil 7100s about eight years ago (on a Scout II). Huge improvement. Especially after I tweaked the valving in them a little. That's the other benefit of the 7100s: Relatively easy to disassemble an rebuild/re-valve. And the 7100s have a linear-valving piston very similar to Fox and King. That that questionable digressive valving of the 5100 series shocks. FYI, Fox "Factory" shocks (steel tube), the older design, are still available. They have the advantage of being very easy for an owner to disassemble and re-valve. Once valved correctly for a vehicle, the 2.0s are amazing. You just need to tune them to the environment. Same is true of the 7100s of course. But Fox's valvings are a little easier to understand than Bilstein's. Also, Fox spare parts and "shim" kits are way easier to find.
I'm assuming you put the 5100s back on then for what you use the JT for? I'll probably wait until one of the Rocksports that came with my Metalcloak lift die and then just go to a full adjustable Fox, Falcon, or King setup.
That is a fair review. I have Fox 2.0 on the JK and I agree I don't always have to air down. I do bottom out now and then but could just me being a little to agressive. Keep the videos coming!
I've got a pair of 5100s on the rear of my 99 silverado, still have a stock front suspension, which is ,aged ...to say the least .. the rear shocks were both spent when I removed them..them. I "primed" both of the 5100s , only 5 or 6 pushes each, before I installed them, but wow, what a difference. That being said , I just ordered a pair of the base 2.0s for the front,matched with a pair of new moog coil springs..am excited to see how it all turns out.. thanks for the comparison and vid
What if you drive your F350 less than 6k per year and only go on 6-8 towing trips that are 50-180 miles with about 6400#'s? Need to replace the rusty Ranchos on my 2017, but we use the smaller vehicles for regular driving and don't get to use the truck that much. I want something good/safe to tow with that may be a better ride...even when not towing/hauling anything. Would either shock be better for my low use situation and towing our TT?
First off, HUGE fan of your videos. Love watching your install and trip videos. How do like the cordless impact wrench? Looking to get one to keep in my truck. I have weaker arms and hands due to having Muscular Dystrophy and think one would make changing tires a lot easier both on and off the trail. What are your thoughts, worth it or not.
Excellent review as always! I need to ditch my shock extensions and hoping to go a little firmer than my factory Fox 2.0. Budget is $1000 or under. Bilstein 5100 and don’t look back or other/better shocks out there for the money?
After having multiple Jeep platforms and having multiple shocks, I can speak from my experience. The Fox 2.0 is a slightly heavier build, but the Bils ride better day to day. For the weekend warrior, go Bilstein.
That being said, my current build is a daily Glad on 4" and 38s. Bought the Skyjacker suspension with Black Max shocks with the intention to go to Bilstein. Ordered them this week. Fox makes a great product, but the Bilstein is a better option on a daily driver. Just my .02.
I am new to the Jeep community, I recently bought a 2019 jeep unlimited sport altitude, I came with 255/70R18 all-season tires, I would like to put a little more aggressive tires on it, I am not into rock crawling, only light trails is the plan for now. If I put spacers 1.5 or 2" high, I understand could fit bigger tires, but would I lose comfort when driving on the road? If this is the case, will Fox 2.0 or the Bilstein 5100 shocks help me get a smoother ride on the route? Thank you.
I got a back problem, I need to softest damping shock I can get, but want some nice rebound damping so it doesn't get bouncy on me. Fox might be the ticket.
I have no complaints with my Fox 2.0 race series shock on my 4runner. I have had some folks following me off road ask me to slow down on the washboard roads because they were getting beat to death but I was comfortable.
My friend has been running the Fox 2.0 "Factory" emulsion shocks for around eight years now, on his Scout II (I drive one as well). Easy to take apart and revalve yourself. He talked to some off-road racers here in the San Diego area and they advised him to "reverse" his valving. He now runs them at 80/30 or something like that. Much firmer compression than rebound. Says he can now keep up with the quads on the woops out in the desert. In a heavy old leaf-sprung SWB truck, that's pretty damned good.
Same experience I’ve had with them. I am running Fox and wish they had a little more dampening for when I am loaded down and towing. The fox2.0 coilovers do ride so much better than the stock struts on my Tahoe Had Bilstein on my Silverado and they had better control towing my boat.
Which ones handle better on the highway I have a rough country 4.5 lift kit in my Chevy Silverado 1500 but it feels very bounce so I was wondering if it could be the rough country shocks ?
Bilstein handles a bit tighter than Fox, which handles a bit tighter than stock. Fox is a bit softer and more forgiving on the small bump stuff, and can handle sustained moderate terrain a bit better than Bilstein.
We use the 5100s on our 1st gen Xterra and over all performance in my opinion it handles the weight well, had been thinking of making the leap to Kings but..... That's $$$ 😆
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I'm rebuilding a WJ & I want off-road capability, but it's primarily going to be on the road & easy trails. I had Bilstines in a JKU, amazing off-road, but the on-road ride was lacking.
I just got fox 2.0 shocks and I feel like they're riding very rough. I can feel every crack in the road. Do they have to be broken in? Will they get softer?
So Rubicons comes Stock with 2" Fox Shocks and I'll assume you took them off when you added the lift. Could you have just got Shock extensions for the Stock ones and why didn't you ask Fox for 2 1/2 " Fox shocks than come stock with the Mojave?
thanks for the video. Btw, it's bilstein, like Beer stein. It's a German word and in German, when you have an I and E together, which ever letter is last, is the one that gets the heard. So stein is like stine.
good vid you make sense! i think your right on the money. i think more people run fox for the hype they are good but bilstein 5100 are very good also put 2 both them more people would choose fox
These are both entry level shocks for both companies. They both make higher level shocks. I would say they are the best 2 companies to pick from. I rock bilstein on all my rigs been thinking of trying the fox. Hard to change when somthing works good and last.
Fox has similar handling characteristics, but less harsh on the small bumps. Bilstein is tighter handling, but you feel the small stuff more. We've tested both on numerous vehicles and pretty confident in the differences now.
Entry level for the companies yes, but the Fox is a superior shock in dampening. The 5100 is stiffer and will handle a little better. I still believe the Fox 2.0 to be the better shock for daily driving and slight off-road use.
Matt, I had the same exact experience with the 5100s vs the 2.0s. Currently rocking the 5100s and missing the Fox shocks unless I’m loaded down with gear. Ideally I want an adjustable shock, we recently put some Falcon shocks on a JL I’ll be interested to see how they perform.
I have the first gen Teraflex 3.3 for the JL, and it rides like a buckboard wagon. Teraflex tells me they can't do anything about it. Interesting enough, their V2 of the same design, allows the shock to operate in either soft or firm ride, IF you remove the shock and turn the mount. I would stay away from these shiny buckboards. Mine are going in the round bin, as soon as I have a replacement. Teraflex used the customer as a design tester on these.
@@mcoffroadinaz4075 I appreciate all the information. I am torn between the fox 2.0 adjustable reservoir and the falcon 3.3. The thing is im gonna pay almost 70% of its original price to get them shipped and taxed here. So I don’t have the luxury to return or xchange them. I have a 2 dr jk with a 2.7 rear and 3.0 front lift and second set of bilistein 5100 over 8 years. I love them but they get hot fast ant start being little swaggy. Which one will be the better option in my scenario do you think?
I’m not sure I like the fox’s inverted installation. I would think it allows for more dirt to get on the piston damaging seals. But it is how most motorcycles do it for performance and perhaps not being at the top means less dirt flung on it from the tires 🤷🏻♂️, I’d have to research the pros and cons for how a strut is mounted.
There’s a videos on Shock Surplus of a Fox 2.0 vs King 2.0, and they preferred the Fox 2.0 says the Kings are far too soft for daily driving and they felt too many of the micro bumps. Kings really only flourish and out perform everyone when you start getting the ones with piggy backs and micro adjustments. Me personally once I got adjustable shocks I’m gonna go Falcon though. Proven to be the best on Jeeps from what I’ve seen and they’re King Quality at a lower price point.
Where you using a torque wrench? Heard it click but saw you kept tightening after the click. That’ll ruin the calibration of the wrench. Good video though!
Gas pressure isn't supposed to (isn't intended to) affect ride quality at all. But the higher pressure that Bilstein uses does effectively increase spring rate a little will inhibit compression, all other things being equal. But in the end, it all really just comes down to how each is valved. And if you don't KNOW what the valving is, it's hard to say that your're making an apples-apples comparison.
@@Phantom_Anthem I have them on a Ford F-350 and they are pretty stiff with no cargo. Pot holes are jarring but I also have leaf springs all around. They are a good shock no doubt and for the price I would say best. (With a load on cargo/towing, they really show performance in my opinion)
@@benjaminkatie2916 I got rough countries leveling struts and N3 shocks in the rear and sometimes I wonder if to swap to bilstein or fox or to stay with what I got and maybe just swap my UCA for some BDS’s. Only on a 2” level
@@Phantom_Anthem I ran the RC N3 shocks on a blazer I used to have. I was not impressed with them. I had a lot of body roll and just poor response. I would say you would feel an tremendous difference from N3’s to Fox or Bilstein’s. I went with Bilsteins because they were affordable and had good reviews. I would also like to try a set of Fox’s in the future. If the money is there I would pull the trigger on upgrading from N3’s
@@OzarkOverlandAdventures After living up a 25 mile dead end dirt road for 25 years, and owning a Raptor among other off road vehicles, I have to disagree. Nothing beats a magic carpet ride.
@@OzarkOverlandAdventures I realize that. Most people run entirely too much pressure i. Their tires. Have you used chalk to see what psi is best for yours?
suggestion: when pulling a tire off, as an extra precaution, I have always been taught to put the tire under the vehicle. Gets the tire out of your way, and If the jack, or if using jack stands, fail, move, etc, the tire will catch the vehicle, and hopefully not crush you. Good video. Look forward to more feedback on the difference.
Last time I checked, the video was about Fox 2.0 vs Bilstein 5100s. lol. Why do people like you ALWAYS feel the need to comment on how people do other things? If I want to watch a video on how to change a shock on (insert vehicle), I'll search for "HOW TO CHANGE A SHOCK ON A ___________"
@@Lando4534 Because he cares about one’s safety…..a good pointer
@@Lando4534 Personally I appreciate when people give helpful advice, especially where safety is concerned.
@@Lando4534 Relax Karen.
@@Lando4534 are you seriously butt hurt over a safety tip given in good faith. 😂 😆 😝
Always great information. Looking forward to a long term review.
Great video, I was undecided and looking at both of these. This helped me choose. Bilstein on order!
How do you like them? I'm entering the rabbit hole of shocks.
@@cjlos2050sp I have Bilstein 5100's on a lifted Wrangler and everything he said in the video is true. You can hit corners a fairly high speeds and have zero body roll. But if you hit a pothole, you WILL hear it! Definitely less dampening than other shocks -- Feel like I'm driving in a U-Haul at times. Then again, I've towed a large trailer and a boat and the backend didn't dip down at all...
Good to see another Arkie! I am looking at Fox vs. Bilstein on my Power Wagon, your video was a big help.
Thank you for the review I just installed a 4" lift on my Jeep TJ. I will be going with the billsteins.
Thanks for your comparison and comments.
Thank you, this video actually helped me. Honest review on both brands.
Thanks SOOOOO Much for doing this video. I know people who are often trying to decide between the 5100s and the Fox 2.0 Performance (snap-ring). Nice to see a good A/B comparison between the two. I just wish the 2.0s on the front were as easy to change on a 4runner as they are on a jeep.
They are still relatively simple. Just leave the top hat in place and only remove the head bolt. Disconnect the sway bar, remove brake caliper, remove lower control arm. the spring will push the stock shock down, and you can pull it out form there. Easy peasy
I’ve had both on 4Runner. Fox 2.0 is MUCH better
Did the 5100 for years. Now it’s ICON
What's the difference in the ride quality? Is you vehicle lifted?
Good review. I run Dobinsons IMS which is a floating piston design that I think is similar to Fox. They ride very well and provide great control. I've modified my control arm and rear axle setup to use extended bump stops. Much thicker and softer than the normally hard landing that comes with stock bump stops. The extended bumps function more like jounce bumpers. This gives a way to have your cake (ride) and eat it (no bottoming out) too. Great ride without bottoming out on up travel. Within 1/4 inch of max droop on the down travel. If I see you sometime, I can explain it.
What parts are you using for your extended bump stops mods or parts?
Great review. Thank you.
Thank you, this was very helpful
The Fox work best at the mall obstacles and prefer them here on the horse paths of PA. The build quality and corrosion resistance is better as well on the Fox. When you get up into a Bilstein 7100 series, its a lot closer to the 2.0. The nice thing about the 7100 is you can also get it in a short body.
I swapped from Rancho 9000s to Bil 7100s about eight years ago (on a Scout II). Huge improvement. Especially after I tweaked the valving in them a little. That's the other benefit of the 7100s: Relatively easy to disassemble an rebuild/re-valve. And the 7100s have a linear-valving piston very similar to Fox and King. That that questionable digressive valving of the 5100 series shocks.
FYI, Fox "Factory" shocks (steel tube), the older design, are still available. They have the advantage of being very easy for an owner to disassemble and re-valve. Once valved correctly for a vehicle, the 2.0s are amazing. You just need to tune them to the environment. Same is true of the 7100s of course. But Fox's valvings are a little easier to understand than Bilstein's. Also, Fox spare parts and "shim" kits are way easier to find.
I'm assuming you put the 5100s back on then for what you use the JT for? I'll probably wait until one of the Rocksports that came with my Metalcloak lift die and then just go to a full adjustable Fox, Falcon, or King setup.
Good video, thanks for sharing your experience
Thanks for watching!
Excellent video! I am getting a 5100 steering damper shock
Thanks, great video! I was on the fence about which ones to choose, and I think it’s Fox for the win 😋
That is a fair review. I have Fox 2.0 on the JK and I agree I don't always have to air down. I do bottom out now and then but could just me being a little to agressive. Keep the videos coming!
I've got a pair of 5100s on the rear of my 99 silverado, still have a stock front suspension, which is ,aged ...to say the least .. the rear shocks were both spent when I removed them..them. I "primed" both of the 5100s , only 5 or 6 pushes each, before I installed them, but wow, what a difference. That being said , I just ordered a pair of the base 2.0s for the front,matched with a pair of new moog coil springs..am excited to see how it all turns out.. thanks for the comparison and vid
Very good examples thank you
You are welcome!
Wow..that's an easy operation. Love how you torque your bolts.....click and then a couple more turns...haha
great video, thanks for the honest review. on the fence of what to do with my 21 GMC At4
What if you drive your F350 less than 6k per year and only go on 6-8 towing trips that are 50-180 miles with about 6400#'s? Need to replace the rusty Ranchos on my 2017, but we use the smaller vehicles for regular driving and don't get to use the truck that much. I want something good/safe to tow with that may be a better ride...even when not towing/hauling anything. Would either shock be better for my low use situation and towing our TT?
First off, HUGE fan of your videos. Love watching your install and trip videos. How do like the cordless impact wrench? Looking to get one to keep in my truck. I have weaker arms and hands due to having Muscular Dystrophy and think one would make changing tires a lot easier both on and off the trail. What are your thoughts, worth it or not.
I love the cordless impact. Use it all the time!! Thanks!!
5100s for me all day
Thanks for the great video
Good choice!
02 F250. Got gabriel max on now. I want comfort for every day driving but how will they hold up on towing.
I am about to buy some new shocks for my Hummer H2 that has a 2 inch lift on 37’s, thanks for the information!
I have the Fox 2.0 shocks on my JKU, they're awesome.
What length Holsteins? 3-4.5? Or 2-3.5
I have. An Xterra and some analysis paralysis! This video helped a lot…. Mahalo
Sweet vid!! You have a new subscriber. Where can I get those black dust caps that you have on the bilstien 5100s?
Thanks!! Not sure what dust cap you are referring to. Everything came on the Bilstiens.
Excellent review as always! I need to ditch my shock extensions and hoping to go a little firmer than my factory Fox 2.0. Budget is $1000 or under. Bilstein 5100 and don’t look back or other/better shocks out there for the money?
After having multiple Jeep platforms and having multiple shocks, I can speak from my experience. The Fox 2.0 is a slightly heavier build, but the Bils ride better day to day. For the weekend warrior, go Bilstein.
That being said, my current build is a daily Glad on 4" and 38s. Bought the Skyjacker suspension with Black Max shocks with the intention to go to Bilstein. Ordered them this week. Fox makes a great product, but the Bilstein is a better option on a daily driver. Just my .02.
You should try Skyjckers M95 shocks. They are very good.
Which ones are more stiff? Are the fox 2.0 to bounce .
Can these be taken apart and reshimed?
I am new to the Jeep community, I recently bought a 2019 jeep unlimited sport altitude, I came with 255/70R18 all-season tires, I would like to put a little more aggressive tires on it, I am not into rock crawling, only light trails is the plan for now. If I put spacers 1.5 or 2" high, I understand could fit bigger tires, but would I lose comfort when driving on the road? If this is the case, will Fox 2.0 or the Bilstein 5100 shocks help me get a smoother ride on the route? Thank you.
Which option you choose and how it was ?
I got a back problem, I need to softest damping shock I can get, but want some nice rebound damping so it doesn't get bouncy on me. Fox might be the ticket.
I have no complaints with my Fox 2.0 race series shock on my 4runner. I have had some folks following me off road ask me to slow down on the washboard roads because they were getting beat to death but I was comfortable.
My friend has been running the Fox 2.0 "Factory" emulsion shocks for around eight years now, on his Scout II (I drive one as well). Easy to take apart and revalve yourself. He talked to some off-road racers here in the San Diego area and they advised him to "reverse" his valving. He now runs them at 80/30 or something like that. Much firmer compression than rebound. Says he can now keep up with the quads on the woops out in the desert. In a heavy old leaf-sprung SWB truck, that's pretty damned good.
Same experience I’ve had with them. I am running Fox and wish they had a little more dampening for when I am loaded down and towing. The fox2.0 coilovers do ride so much better than the stock struts on my Tahoe
Had Bilstein on my Silverado and they had better control towing my boat.
Which ones handle better on the highway I have a rough country 4.5 lift kit in my Chevy Silverado 1500 but it feels very bounce so I was wondering if it could be the rough country shocks ?
Fox for my Ram 2500 it is. Rides like a tank hopefully this will soften it up
It was helpful. Thank you
Bilstein 5100 going on my 2021 Tacoma TRD 4X4!
Aways wondering about Fox or Bilstein.
Bilstein 5100 rear is my choice and Bilstein 6112 in the front.
Bilstein handles a bit tighter than Fox, which handles a bit tighter than stock. Fox is a bit softer and more forgiving on the small bump stuff, and can handle sustained moderate terrain a bit better than Bilstein.
We use the 5100s on our 1st gen Xterra and over all performance in my opinion it handles the weight well, had been thinking of making the leap to Kings but..... That's $$$ 😆
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THANKS!!!
Bilstein 5100's on my ifs Ram 1500. Excellent off road shocks for most everything.
Fyi for bottom out aspect change out oem bump stops (if u haven’t) to metalcloak bump stops. World of difference and they are only a 100$. Nice review
Unless it's 40 degrees Fahrenheit or cooler then they feel like they are made out of concrete.
I'm rebuilding a WJ & I want off-road capability, but it's primarily going to be on the road & easy trails. I had Bilstines in a JKU, amazing off-road, but the on-road ride was lacking.
I just got fox 2.0 shocks and I feel like they're riding very rough. I can feel every crack in the road. Do they have to be broken in? Will they get softer?
Did you also just get your lift?
@@OzarkOverlandAdventures yes. Came with the lift.
@@eh4623 most likely it’s the new springs being stiff.
That's why I use limit straps to keep my coils in
So Rubicons comes Stock with 2" Fox Shocks and I'll assume you took them off when you added the lift. Could you have just got Shock extensions for the Stock ones and why didn't you ask Fox for 2 1/2 " Fox shocks than come stock with the Mojave?
Shock extensions don't work well when you wheel your rig like I do. They would seriously limit articulation.
@@OzarkOverlandAdventures????
@@richardthomas1531 yes?
Can you try the cjc off road Carli fox set up for jeeps
thanks for the video. Btw, it's bilstein, like Beer stein. It's a German word and in German, when you have an I and E together, which ever letter is last, is the one that gets the heard. So stein is like stine.
good vid you make sense! i think your right on the money. i think more people run fox for the hype they are good but bilstein 5100 are very good also put 2 both them more people would choose fox
These are both entry level shocks for both companies. They both make higher level shocks. I would say they are the best 2 companies to pick from. I rock bilstein on all my rigs been thinking of trying the fox. Hard to change when somthing works good and last.
Fox has similar handling characteristics, but less harsh on the small bumps. Bilstein is tighter handling, but you feel the small stuff more. We've tested both on numerous vehicles and pretty confident in the differences now.
@@ShockSurplus well said good point on there differences.
Entry level for the companies yes, but the Fox is a superior shock in dampening. The 5100 is stiffer and will handle a little better. I still believe the Fox 2.0 to be the better shock for daily driving and slight off-road use.
Fox, falcon and king are good for off road.
I have RWD I'm torn between koni srt lt and Bilstein b6 4600.
Newbie here with a silly question...can you use these shocks on stock springs?
As long as they are the correct length, yes.
I’ve got the fox 2.0 on my gladiator been nice so far I often question the Bill Steen 5100s. Awesome video where do I get the Ozark shirt
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Matt, I had the same exact experience with the 5100s vs the 2.0s. Currently rocking the 5100s and missing the Fox shocks unless I’m loaded down with gear. Ideally I want an adjustable shock, we recently put some Falcon shocks on a JL I’ll be interested to see how they perform.
If you had the chance to respond, im curious on how do they perform. I do high speed dune bashing.
I have the first gen Teraflex 3.3 for the JL, and it rides like a buckboard wagon. Teraflex tells me they can't do anything about it. Interesting enough, their V2 of the same design, allows the shock to operate in either soft or firm ride, IF you remove the shock and turn the mount. I would stay away from these shiny buckboards. Mine are going in the round bin, as soon as I have a replacement. Teraflex used the customer as a design tester on these.
Oh, and they blamed the RK suspension at first. Now they are blaming my tires. Teraflex is not the answer.
@@mcoffroadinaz4075 I appreciate all the information.
I am torn between the fox 2.0 adjustable reservoir and the falcon 3.3.
The thing is im gonna pay almost 70% of its original price to get them shipped and taxed here. So I don’t have the luxury to return or xchange them.
I have a 2 dr jk with a 2.7 rear and 3.0 front lift and second set of bilistein 5100 over 8 years. I love them but they get hot fast ant start being little swaggy.
Which one will be the better option in my scenario do you think?
@@TJ.1 once I get enough money together to replace them, I'm going to take a video of my throwing my 3.3's in the garbage, and call it a review. :)
I'm interested to see someone do a review on elka 2.0
For a tighter ride on mainly highway pavement driving would you recommend the Bilsteins over the fox?
Yes.
I have Bilstein and in my opinion they are too stiff.
@@Ni-fg6je yeah they’re not great. Oh well. I knew I was not gonna do shock extensions so for now they’ll do the job.
Dayum nice hair! You should link with J Bravo
I’m not sure I like the fox’s inverted installation. I would think it allows for more dirt to get on the piston damaging seals. But it is how most motorcycles do it for performance and perhaps not being at the top means less dirt flung on it from the tires 🤷🏻♂️, I’d have to research the pros and cons for how a strut is mounted.
In German the second vowel is pronounced first. Therefor it is pronounced Bilstine.
Was thinking replace my fox on my gladiator rubicon with Falcon adjustable
The Falcon will be noticeably firmer than Fox, but the range of adjustment cant be beat
What is your take on king 2.0?
Never ran them. 🤷🏼♂️
There’s a videos on Shock Surplus of a Fox 2.0 vs King 2.0, and they preferred the Fox 2.0 says the Kings are far too soft for daily driving and they felt too many of the micro bumps. Kings really only flourish and out perform everyone when you start getting the ones with piggy backs and micro adjustments. Me personally once I got adjustable shocks I’m gonna go Falcon though. Proven to be the best on Jeeps from what I’ve seen and they’re King Quality at a lower price point.
Id love an update video on the fox shocks after a year!
I hated them. Way too soft and too much body roll. Went back to the Bilsteins and was much happier. Now have Elka shocks and love them!!!
@@OzarkOverlandAdventures Thanks for the update!!
nice video. I made my mind. question where did you get you Apple Watch strap ?
Amazon
Bilstein for the Highway. Fox on everything else.
Where you using a torque wrench? Heard it click but saw you kept tightening after the click. That’ll ruin the calibration of the wrench. Good video though!
Should always use a jack stand. Jacks can fail and when they do you can’t get out of the way fast enough. Hate to see you get hurt.
Got fix shocks and they did not work well too hard... Made the ride rougher
I just can’t take a dude with a blue/purple faux hawk seriously.
That’s ok. Maybe some day you won’t be so judgmental and can learn to have a little fun.
My second cousin used to work at Discount Tires in Conway.
Gas pressure isn't supposed to (isn't intended to) affect ride quality at all. But the higher pressure that Bilstein uses does effectively increase spring rate a little will inhibit compression, all other things being equal. But in the end, it all really just comes down to how each is valved. And if you don't KNOW what the valving is, it's hard to say that your're making an apples-apples comparison.
Holy cow you pushed that Fox up with one hand that means those shocks are not as stiff than Bilstein
Nope. Very soft.
@@OzarkOverlandAdventures thanks good to know Great install and testing thanks!
The bilsteins are stiffer because they are made to still be able to tow or haul well. Mostly for trucks.
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Would you say the fox shocks are softer then stock shocks ??
Softer over bumps yes, but tighter handling than stock shocks, if that makes sense.
I am currently running bilsteins and I can attest that they are certainly a stiffer shock.
Are they rough when hitting pot holes and bumps on the road?
@@Phantom_Anthem I have them on a Ford F-350 and they are pretty stiff with no cargo. Pot holes are jarring but I also have leaf springs all around. They are a good shock no doubt and for the price I would say best. (With a load on cargo/towing, they really show performance in my opinion)
@@benjaminkatie2916 I got rough countries leveling struts and N3 shocks in the rear and sometimes I wonder if to swap to bilstein or fox or to stay with what I got and maybe just swap my UCA for some BDS’s. Only on a 2” level
@@Phantom_Anthem I ran the RC N3 shocks on a blazer I used to have. I was not impressed with them. I had a lot of body roll and just poor response. I would say you would feel an tremendous difference from N3’s to Fox or Bilstein’s. I went with Bilsteins because they were affordable and had good reviews. I would also like to try a set of Fox’s in the future. If the money is there I would pull the trigger on upgrading from N3’s
@@benjaminkatie2916 from how the bilstein sound, seems like I need to swap out to a fox kit
Looks like the sway bar links could be shortened on front, and I’m thinking it would ride better.
That's done for the purpose of having good articulation
Softer is always better. Always searching for the magic carpet ride.
No it's not.
@@OzarkOverlandAdventures After living up a 25 mile dead end dirt road for 25 years, and owning a Raptor among other off road vehicles, I have to disagree. Nothing beats a magic carpet ride.
Bilstein every day of the week. Fox is a cop out, try it on an actual course and not just roads!
Whats up w the hair…
Judge a man by the content of his character, not the color of his hair 😘
Air down to 20psi? I keep mine at 25 on road. 20 psi is hardly aired down.
Awesome. I keep mine at 37psi on pavement. Not all tires are the same.
@@OzarkOverlandAdventures I realize that. Most people run entirely too much pressure i. Their tires. Have you used chalk to see what psi is best for yours?
@@seanpresto5111 my tires are a crown tire. You don’t chalk test those. They are meant to run at higher psi to stay on the crown on pavement.
Oh. I assumed they were MT.
@@seanpresto5111 they are.
Belstien for me bro fox is over price
I had the belstein 5100. What a junk compared to fox 2.0. Fox 100 times. I love the ride with fox. The 5100 arw cheap
I liked the Bilsteins much better than the Fox 2.0. Both are inexpensive shocks.
21 Mojave, Fox front shocks being replaced under warranty, very disappointed. Awful creaking noise.
Your hair represents jk's flawlessly.
1) I like JKs a lot. So thanks. 😂
2) I’m talking JTs in the video, not JKs. 🤷🏼♂️
I DIDNT Like the fox 2.0’s..
I’m going with Bilstein 5100
As we speak
My wife likes mine Firmer!😃
Comparing an $800+ fox 2.0 set to a $350 5100 set is kinda goofy. Two totally different classes. For $800, get the Bilstein 5160 set up.
These two shocks are the same price.
Amazon has 5100s at $350 for a JK set. Please show where I can get fox 2.0 sets for the same $350.
@@techi3075 1) I don’t have a JK. 2) this video is 2 years old.
dude you got the cat backed up on top of your head ? WTF
That makes no sense. But ok.
Proper pronunciation is Bill sht eye n
Your hairdo is hurting my eyes 😮😂
That sounds like a you problem.
Did you lose a bet? 😂
Nope. Why?
Which shock is better? Guess that depends on the contents of your wallet. For the money, Bilstein is hard to beat.
What in the hell is that on the top of your head?
Nice mid -life crisis hair job…😆
Well considering I’ve had some form of fun hair since college I don’t think that applies. I guess you just have boring hair? 😂
I’m sorry but I can’t take any middle aged man trying to look like a 16 year old seriously.
Good thing no one is forcing you to. I know lots of 16 year olds and not a single one looks like me. 😂😂😂
what's on his head........ he can't be ........
It's called hair. Do you not have any? LOL
I can’t watch someone and take them seriously who has a haircut like that 😂
I’m sorry you’re such a petty judgmental person. Go watch something else. 🤦🏼♂️😂