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Navigating the Lake District in the Just Flight Hawk T1 (MSFS) - Real Hawk pilot
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- Опубліковано 7 сер 2024
- In this video I talk through a plan for some low-level navigation in the Lake District as a sequel to my Mach Loop video. This route is commonly flown by RAF crews (though not usually from Leeds!). There's no complicated GPS, just a map and stopwatch. I'll talk you through various planning considerations and techniques as we go. But feel free to use the chapters to jump to your preferred bit. Don't skip too much or you'll miss some of the top tips along the way. Please use the comments section for any questions or requests. You can even point out any of my errors that you see!
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📚 CHAPTERS
00:00 Intro
00:53 Planning
03:31 Take Off to Medium Level
06:28 Descent Checks
09:16 Low Level Start
15:20 South Bound
20:25 Exit Low Level
21:10 Break to Land
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It’s pretty amazing how you can apply your real life training in the sim using visual reference points, straight out of the box in the sim. We have come a long way! Great content you deserves at more subs!
Thank you, very kind to say! And yes, default scenery is simply outstanding in its accuracy! So much potential!
this is by far the most immersive flight I ve seen so far from MSFS. But that’s not all, there is also this very calm voice explaining everything.
And most important: it’s done by a real Hawk pilot and you can see and feel it that he is at home, the constant checks with the runway with head or eye tracking, the scenery is great in terms of realistic looking. What a knowledge transfer! Thanks a lot for giving me a perfect guide for flying the BEST jet in the MSFS the way it’s done in RL.
My absolute pleasure! Thanks for taking the time to comment 👍🏻
Fascinating insight and very entertaining to watch, thank you
I would love to see a basics series. C&D startup, taxiing, takeoff, pattern, landing, cockpit familiarisation, standard operating procedures, in-flight calculations, mindset (things like how to stay ahead of the aircraft & how to get back ahead of it if you fall behind).
Then, perhaps more long term, some sort of intermediate series on specific things like non-normal situations, flying low level, flying into civilian airports, time over target.
I’m currently on my PPL and current with commercial operations in flight sim but I’d love to be able to gain far more knowledge in military operations. Watching you flying a trainer is loads of fun but, while I understand what you’re doing and sometimes why, I rarely understand the thought processes behind it. I’d love to see a series that isn’t so fast paced, perhaps even ground theory, that would allow me to not feel rushed when trying to understand the technical parts of your commentary. I’m definitely not saying that I don’t like the technical commentary. Just that I’d like to be able to get my head around it prior to hearing you use it in practice. All in all though, love the videos, love your natural presenting style and can’t wait for more!
Excellent points, it’s always tricky balancing getting into the action and teaching the theory first. I’m going to do smaller videos that I think will make it more manageable. Thanks for the input 👍🏻
@@cgaviator legend
I too would love to see videos in a series starting with the basics of military flight planning and operations, but moving on to more advanced stuff. For instance, you calculated your altitude as 11,000’. It would be interesting to hear an explanation of the rationale behind that calculation and others that are used.
@@cgaviator audience for both id suggest…! Although those that watch the excruciating detail will always watch the others- some just like the action only !
Actually loved this video! Born and live in Cumbria and was posted at Leeming on 34 sqn for 8 years. Actually good to take this all this in. Best vid on UA-cam for a long time.
Thank you for taking the time to say! What did you do at 34 Sqn? Do you flight sim?
I love these Chris, I could watch them every day
Guess I should get making some more lol! Thanks for the feedback. Scotland next!
I had know idea there was so much math involved in the sorties flown, i just assumed it was fly certain headings until a particular landmark becomes visible, but I realise in poor visibility that wouldn't work.
Fascinating stuff.
You wait until some wind is involved! I’ll perhaps do one more nav video with a stiff breeze!
@@cgaviator That will be fun.
@@cgaviator Yes please!
Your videos are amazing mate, I've been looking for something like this for years. Keep up the great work 👍
Thank you, I’m really glad they’re so well received!
I know the area well, can confirm that is Thirlmere :) Having the low level training in the Lakes has always been a treat, the noise of an approaching yet along the valleys still a thrill for me after all these years!
Totally! Shame playback or MSFS was doing something to the sound on the external view valley flypast. The sounds on this model are excellent!
Superb! Thanks Just Flight for adding that stopwatch. Just need Combat Flite to add a UK map now 👍🏻
I am so pleased that stop watch has been added!!!! Whoooohoooo!! Low level here I come. Well done Just Flight! Thank you CG for your influence.
Yet another top tier video. 👍🏻
Thank you, it’s a great update!
Amazing scenery and amazing airmanship. Sub and a like.....
Always appreciated, thank you!
Another good one. I appreciate the constant stream of procedural and practical knowledge throughout the video.
Thanks 👍🏻
Another great video! Thanks very much
You’re welcome! 👍🏻
Thoroughly enjoyed this. I’ve often watched various aircraft fly up the lake it’s great to see it from their point of view.
It’s great to see both perspectives!
This is SO much better than my memories of doing VFR nav triangles at 8 times the height and a quarter of the speed in a PA28, albeit the fundamentals still hold true of course. Another really great instructional video that's also a very pleasant watch. You deserve even more subs ... and they will come!
Kind words, thank you! I’ve also got some
PA28 time, great aeroplane!
When you post videos as good as the ones you've done, the number of subscriptions should come as no surprise whatsoever! :)
Thank you 🙏🏻
Another great video. Your external camera shots have improved immensely. Thank you..
Thank you! #alwayslearning!
You flew right over my brothers house as you went on up Dunmail Raise. Excellent flying and thanks for the videos!
He must get some good views of the real deal!
Love the videos,know the area down the dales,was born at RAF Leeming in 1957,Father was a pilot on Canberras and Valettas 228 OCU.
Javelins were based there too.
Javelins looked awesome, would loved to have see that!
Makes me home sick. I am in Australia these days but years ago we used to watch Jet Provosts and Vulcans take off from RAF Leeming from a fishing spot on the river nearby at Morton on Swale. Really enjoy your cool calm perspective on flying - there is much to learn from you.
Much appreciated! I’ve not visited Australia yet. It needs to be done!
@@cgaviator i have 40 years experience here now - but being alive is more important than where you are. Hope you can make it to Aus one day.
@@richardsuttill54 agreed! 👍🏻
Thank you for this great content! Your work is amazing and highly appreciated!
Thank you 🙏🏻
I found this really interesting to watch, the way you calmly talked to each of your cockpit actions and considerations was compelling too.
Thank you! Many years of training!
@@cgaviator training helps, but have to have "the right stuff" to begin with!
Lovely work. A double bonus for me as I drove this route last week. Also spent 5 years building Hawk at BAe inc the role equipment, gun pod and smoke generator. My preferred ride is XPlane though ;-)
Currently in the process of building 33EFTS in Canada where dad learned to fly in '43, went on to 582 Pathfinders as a Sgt Pilot. The aim is to learn on the Cornell just as he did.
Wow! That’s some history!
Another grat video. I'm in love with this plane. Thanks a lot
Very welcome!
Great, really enjoyed that. I’ve often seen you guys in the lakes.
Glad to hear it, thanks!
that VFR chart gives me PTSD of my PPL days! Great video as always :)
Thanks, that was a bit of an oldie. Need to do some more Lake District tours
Ah good old RAF Leeming I lived about 100mtr from the taxi way opposite 34 in the 70s before they rebuilt it and added on units I do touch and goes there myself, great informative vid
Nice place to live! And thanks 👍🏻
Again, great stuff 🤘
Thank you friend!
Fascinating stuff. Volume increase since the earlier vids so much easier to hear your commentary now.
It's taking me a while to dial it in. Still plenty of improvement to be had. Glad it's working better for you!
Great stuff. Went up Dunmail earlier this year, caught a pair of 100 Sqn Hawk T1's and a flight of 4 F-15's from Lakenheath. Very lucky indeed. Also did Thirlmere but unfortunately had a blank that day. Interesting to see it from your perspective, thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks
absolute legend
Thank you 🙏🏻
Really cool flight. it's 99% like what i've seen in some real low level flight documentations on yt. Awesome.
Would you like to explain how to managed the entire flight, Like the Mach loop, i mean, like how you calculate every leg's variable, such as fuel, alt, speed, heading, hack, ect.
I guess it's dead reckoning if i not mistaken ?
Thanks to share this awesome perform🤙
Anyway, I've watched some of your contents, but i just know that you're a real Hawk Aviator ehehe... that's why your flight really smooth.
I guess i've found the right channel to learn Hawk and doing some stuff with it in the simulator, Keep it up sir, thanks for sharing 👍
Thanks, I will produce another similar video in Scotland soon. Finding the time is tricky. I’ll talk through more of the fuel calculation in that one. Thanks for watching 👍🏻
Great stuff
My missus was going to get me the Hawk for Xmas but I can't wait after watching your videos.
Chocks away 😎
Lol, the struggles of a flight sim spouse! Enjoy!
Lol, think I'm going to purchase too after watching these. Get her to get you PMDG's DC-6 or the 737 that is due for release by the end of the year?!
@@tanberjan be sure to check out my giveaway offer first 😉
@@cgaviator great, just done it, don't think I can wait until 1st December though for the hawk, so if I win, will put it towards the PA-28R Arrow III :)
Took the PC21 down into the Grand Canyon in Arizona, great fun and the scenery is really good too. Lots of turning with the high walls left and right.
PC21 is the perfect tool for that! Now try it in the darkstar! 😂
Another very useful and informative video - thank you. It's interseting to see you're using Memory Map; I've been using it for a couple of years now. As I do my flight simming on a laptop and don't have a 2nd monitor, so it it's always useful to have my route on my mobile.
First time I’ve looked tbh. It’s not quite the military version but the scale and details is nice. Shame they haven’t developed the software a little bit.
Just been following on my os maps, it’s amazing how accurate the MSFS is!
I know, it's crazy!
So Subbed! top work!
Thanks, appreciate it!
Very good video, reminds me of my qualifying solo cross-country flight during my PPL(H) training, although I was a little slower at 70-75 knots! :-)
Still remember my x-country as well! Lots of shenanigans! 😅
Fair play, That was a master class.
Thank you, appreciate it!
Awesome. I used to visit RAF Leeming as a kid in the Cadet Force. I think we flew Chipmunks out of their. 😂❤
Thanks! I do like a good chipmunk! I remember the days when church fenton was open, great fun transiting between them all
Ex RAF here although I wasn't a pilot ( should have done better at school ! ) ..very enjoyable video, thanks cgaviator! Subbed and liked.
Much appreciated! 👍🏻
Great video. I’m local to Leyburn and RAF Leeming as I grew up and still live in the area. Looks so realistic. I’m seriously looking at gaming PCs now
Haha, sorry! 😄 Love the Leyburn valley!
@@cgaviator it’s a super place to drive a car or ride a bike along. The valley north from Reeth to Richmond is good too
Absolutely fantastic, I love this route. Please could you do one including South West Scotland and the Highlands.
I guess it’s only fair to do a low level route in each country! It won’t be for a little while, but I have some ideas! 👍🏻
@@cgaviator fantastic, 👌👍keep up great work
Seconded! I'm based at GLA and it would be really insightful to see what considerations go into low flying in the areas surrounding the Scottish TMA.
Leeming is now my nearest/local Hawk base -20 miles away
Love to fly the Hawk around the British countryside. But I started a little search for more low flying routes. Rainbow Canyon Nevada is one, but fairly boring. Than I saw the Axalp firing range of the Swiss Airforce and started nosing around that location. You absolutely want to start up your Hawk at LSMM Meiringen! It is stunning!
Roger Wilco! Thanks 👍🏻👍🏻
cool, nice one.
Thanks
I really enjoy your video’s, thanks! Is there any resource to find various low-level flights/area’s?
Not really. It’s a lot of experience to know the good places/routes to go. But if you find anywhere with high ground and long valleys you won’t be disappointed. The map I used is very similar to what RAF crews might use but it doesn’t include the low flying area information such as flow arrows. If you like Scotland, Star Wars or the Moffat valley are great! And of course Loch Ness and the western isles are stunning.
Fantastic insight into real low level flying procedure in the Hawk. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. I'm curious, do you know why the Mercedes junction waypoint has that name? Is there a Mercedes car dealership there or something?
Thank you. And the junction is named that way due to the shape of the valleys coming together to look like a Mercedes’ badges.
Awesome video, I've been very privileged to have had a pax ride in a t1 (CA) at leeming and done most of that circuit. The joys of being the sqn chef in the feeder. What year did you serve at leeming?
Great video, thank you. I teach Air Navigation as a CI at my local Air Cadets Sqn. Was interested in the enroute techniques you employ to adjust for trimmings and course. Would welcome a detailed explanation of route planning and enroute navigation....
Next video is almost there. I’ll split flight and planning into 2 videos. Just have to find the time to edit it! 😅
@@cgaviator Excellent... Look forward to it...
12:26 Sad story from 1987 at that location. I believe the valley became one way after that. “On 17th June 1987 this Tornado was one of two 20 Squadron aircraft flying a low level training flight. As they crossed the Lake District they flew down Thirlmere heading roughly north before making a turn to fly west at the northern end of the reservoir to avoid Keswick and had then planned to fly north up Lake Bassethwaite. Tornado ZA493 was the lead aircraft and the second aircraft was following it slightly higher and to one side. As they made the climbing turn to the west at the end of Thirlmere the pilot of the following Tornado noticed two Jaguars approaching from the west and flying towards the lead Tornado. The lead Tornado struck the lead Jaguar and it was thought that neither crews had seen the other aircraft prior to the collision. The Jaguars were flying from the west and were climbing to fly over ridge of high ground between Derwent Water and Thirlmere. Both aircraft were effectively out of the eyeline of each other with the other aircraft either been hidden behind high ground or being below the nose of the aircraft being flown. The crew of the Tornado were able to eject from the aircraft and landed in trees below Walla Crag. The Tornado crashed nearby in a field near Deerclose Cottages and broke up in the field, crossed the main Borrowdale road and came to rest in a field just up from Derwent Water. The navigator received back injuries as a result of the ejection but the pilot appears to have escaped injury. This crash site appears to be well known in the district and the incident was witnessed by a number of local people. The details surrounding Jaguar XZ116 are recorded on its own webpage.l
Not heard that before. But it’s a dangerous business that’s for sure!
Hi Chris. Great videos. I’m a retired RAF SAR hello pilot whose only outlet to aviation these days is via my iMac and X Plane 11. I find virtual helicopters useless (no seat of the pants feel) but do enjoy flying around the low level system in the Hawk T1. Could you tell me what turning circle you planned for during 420kt 4g turns? I’m lucky enough to have some old UK Low Flying Charts which allow me to practice those almost forgotten planning skills. Getting the turning circle right would help enormously.
Ah, all so easy... 😁 When I'm flying my Hawk, it never looks anywhere near this smooth. Doesn't help that I have a really twitchy stick, especially in pitch! Constantly oscillating between -4G and +10G. And when you say "130Kts by 300ft", mine is more "130kts on approach, glance away at another instrument, glance back and I'm either doing 160kts or plummeting out of the sky at 100kts". 🤣
I have an extension on my joystick for more precise inputs as it is damn hard depending on your joystick. Try setting a precise power setting on final. 87-89 then small adjustments
@@cgaviator Yeah, I only have a cheap HOTAS at the moment. Need to upgrade to something a bit better.
Hey cg, I'm a PPL who putters about in FS2020 for a bit of fun. I picked up the Hawk after watching your vids and, wow, what a fun little jet. Only thing though, it seems insanely forgiving and easy to chuck about - is that indicative of the real jet?
Huge fun either way, and enjoying your vids
Forgiving when treated right! You must have the knack! 😉 The real jet is forgiving too. You don’t get the sense you’re ‘flying on egg shells!’ But pull to hard and it’ll throw you a curve ball. Sadly spinning with swept wings isn’t modelled well in MSFS.
Got lost after u reached the m6 lol I turned them had no clue where to go lol
You mean south down the Appleby valley?
Its refreshing and always interesting to listen to someone who knows of what they are talking about. On a side note, my OCD has me wondering what the small indicator next to the altimeter, with the veretical white line, is?
Oxygen MI. Blinks white when you breath in 👍🏻
And thank you 🙏🏻
It would be great if you did an ATC tutorial with vatsim
That would be quite an effort but not impossible. I’ve not ventured into vatsim yet!
@@cgaviator Even if it was just a ATC tutorial with no vatsim it will still be great. Take your time I’m in no rush to learn
Another lovely video. I'm very curious to see your sensitivity settings... could you post a screenshot of them please? Also, what controllers do you use? Many thanks.
Settings are default. Warthog HOTAS. MFG 10cm extension. 👍🏻
@@cgaviator I'm intrigued how is your hotas mapped please? I have the same one
@@dambuster6178178 nothing special, what do you mean by mapped?
@@cgaviator I'm trying to map the various buttons in the cockpit to the hotas just intrigued has to what you have setup on your hotas 👍
Any idea what the air brake comes under please im trying to map it to my hotas?
Really enjoying your videos so many thanks! What joystick are you using?
Thanks again
Thrustmaster Warthog 👍🏻
@@cgaviator Great! Thanks! I'll get one. My existing Hotas isn't great
@@cgaviator Do you have the rudder pedals too with the Thrustmaster?
@@paulstreeter9661 MFG Crosswind, love them!
@@cgaviator many thanks for the tip and for getting back to me. Much appreciated! After 53 hours of PPL training I'm reduced to simulator flying only as my heart won't allow me pass the CAA medical!!
Fantastic video, been really trying to find a good flight plan for LFA17/Lake District to use as a base to create my own from Lakenheath (as I know the USAF fly through there too) but I can't seem to find it on your website, do you have it available anywhere?
Are you using little nav map? And did you check the GPS blog page with all my flight plans? This may have been before I started uploading them. But you can start afresh?
Great Video, just wondering what your joystick controller setting are. Mine seem oversensitive. As soon as I bank left/right it does a victory roll and then shoot up or down? Thanks
Warthog set with MFG extension tube (10cm), responded beautifully!
Greaser!!!!
Thanks 👍🏻
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Thank you for nicely presented video. Can you help on a take off query?
I copy your trim setting, lift nose approx 100 knots. I constantly slide across RWY adjusting with pedals. Can you help in any way to reduce? Thank you. Scotland UNITED KINGDOM.
You can put some aileron into the wind and reduce as speed builds to help prevent drift from crosswind.
@@rakamora2266 Thank you. I'll try this.
Quite interesting how you got the VORs to work in the ILS frequency box, this doesn't work for me. I have to use the corresponding tacan code to get any distance or azimuth info. Is there anything else needed to make this work?
Should be per the setup I demo’d. Have you tried it with Pole Hill VOR? Make sure the ILS panel is selected to VOR.
Hey how did u get the pan camera at 11:45 thought there isn’t a pan camera on msfs
I used FS Playground software to record the flypast then replayed it using drone camera not tethered to aircraft. The new inbuilt replay works better with less stutters
you'er missing VFR reign 1 , that would probably put that mast in
VFR reign 1, unfamiliar. Do you have a link?
Thirlmere!
It’s a lovely place and almost tailor made for fast jets! 😁
Fantastic video! Really helpful indeed. Is there any way I can get into contact with you as I am currently going through the application process to hopefully become a pilot within the RAF? I just have a few questions maybe you can help me with.
It’s been a long time since I applied! Post em here and I’ll help if I can
@@cgaviator All I am trying to do is talk to as many pilots as possible, so far I have spoken to James Sainty, Jim Peterson, two rotory pilots and Sir Andrew Pulford. Aswell as countless officers and recruitment staff. All task what can I do to stand out from the rest of applicants. Thankyou for your acknowledgment, it is much appreciated
@@jonezyeu6878 You’ll get most top tips from the AFCO. Try and demonstrate drive and determination. Account for your time so far with school and as importantly, extra curricular stuff.
Hi Chris, how are you managing to keep the Hawk so stable? I try to trim, but end never stays stable
The trim may have gotten a bit worse after the sim updates since this was recorded. Largely it’s 2000 hours experience of Select Hold Trim, a solid cross check, and my HOTAS being setup for more subtle inputs.
Please go into hard maneuvers and tell us.. i am testing the L39 and the hawk I am so disappointed by the FM of the Hawk I cannot believe the over controls ..
Yes, it does need an update 👍🏻
Is that a frequent route for training
Yes, very!
How do you get the Stopwatch to work ? I wind it up with scroll wheel but still doesent work ?
Click to start stop, scroll wheel to wind.
@@cgaviator Something is bugged about clicking stuff in VR it works about 20% of the time. It seems to be working better since I turned of the blue tooltips thingy but still not usable for me in vr.
@@rakamora2266 I’ll check it out
you forgot "Clock runs" after the hack :)
True enough! Think I got it right in Scotland!
This aircraft had to be flown in VR for a real experience.
Can I get this plane on Xbox series s
Eventually. Not sure of a timeline
Hi i have the same addon for msfs and the throttle isn't working properly, it does nothing past 50 percent, could you help me?
Have you checked calibration and axis sensitivity? Have you got any assists on that may be controlling throttle?
@@cgaviator Nope, all assists off and axis sensitivty is default with nothing changed, should i reinstall?
@@lukaritchie973 always worth a go
@@cgaviator thanks I'll give you updates
What is the reg on the hawk you fly?
My x box seems smoother than this ?
Probably! I’m running ultra, and desktop recording, web browsing, background processes etc.
208 Sqn A/C! What is that abomination 🤣 🐬
Haha!
why delete my comments?
I didn’t, what did you post?
@@cgaviator I've posted twice now with both comments removed.
I was asking why didn't you go into much higher detail with your planning stage, it is on a very basic level, good for absolute beginners but flight simmers want more realism.
For example, planning a flight with the brady navigation rule tool on a real physical map that allows you to fly very accurately and arrive at the turn points exactly on time. If the plan states you will cross your turn point at 18m24s, that is when you will cross it.
I live very close to RAF Valley and being a flight simmer I put a lot of research and study into how the RAF plan their flights for low level navigation and I came across an ex QFI at Valley that taught me navigation, planning and flying techniques you don't even touch on in your video. He showed me how to use the brady rule and the importance of arriving at a Tgt waypoint on time and to the second using nothing but a map and stopwatch.
Other than that, good videos.
@@nvstewart I’m sorry the comments haven’t made it through, maybe a UA-cam thing. I would say that real world TOT was less important early in training as takeoffs always slipped. So for that reason hack time was more important. As for the Brady Rule, it’s a great piece of kit and you can get very accurate with it. While we did some paper plans we quickly got to mission planning software. Sadly I don’t have much time to teach the Brady Rule methods and I don’t think many people would have one (currently, myself included!). I’ll keep it in mind maybe as a background piece. Thanks for the feedback 👍🏻
@@cgaviator ye, thats the thing these days, computers are replacing the old, more entertaining ways of doing things.
I wasn't trying to be condescending or negative in any way, flight simmers are always looking for more accurate ways of doing things and I thought it would of been a good idea to show them the brady rule as every video made by real or ex RAF pilots never seem to mention it, like it is some kind of dark secret lol. Is it required? No, but there will be simmers out there that would be amazed at how accurately they could fly with one.
Saying that your videos are good and the way you navigate is simple and it works, putting people on the right track of learning low level navigation.
BTW have you heard of the flight planner 'VFR Flight'? It's freeware and also gives you 'minute markers' on your fligh plan if you wish, I use it from time to time if I can not be bothered using a real map along with the Brady Rule. Also 'Free Stopwatch' is a very good windows stopwatch, much much better than the default as it allows you to 'reset' the timer without resetting the accumulated time, good for timing specific legs and keeping total flight time.
@@nvstewart not at all, thanks for all your comments. Especially the resources you mentioned. I’ll check them out!