6 Christians vs 1 Secret Atheist
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- Опубліковано 30 кві 2023
- Jubilee brought together seven Christians. One is a liar. If the group discovers who the liar is, they'll split a cash prize. If the liar survives, he or she wins the entire prize.
As this seemed like a great Christianity shibboleth experiment, I thought I'd like to play along... honing and testing my newfound atheism over decades of Christianity. Can I tell? Could I pass?
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I could never do this... I mean in a room with 6 people... yuck.
@Sir Sic a better game for you would be one about Whisky 😂
@@johnburn8031 drinking contest, even if I lose, I win.
I'm sure you would easily win. 😉
Who needs this? Just keep your faith in gravity, which undoubtedly grows stronger with increased whiskey consumption..
Same, i am working now almost totally remotelly, but from time to time have to go to the office, can you imagine this?!
"have you read the bible?"
- "yes"
"found the atheist!"
You could just have bumped into a Calvinist, contender for "set of denominations most likely to be leading peacefully to atheism through serious bible study."
Are all those who read the Bible become atheists?
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I grew up LDS. There were several instances where, during Sunday sessions, we'd progress through the Bible. I was especially under pressure to read the Bible and BoM since my dad was always either in the bishopric or stake presidency.
Since becoming an adult, and an atheist, I don't think I've even touched the Bible.
I was surprised to find that my colleagues primary school aged kid had read the bible out of choice, apparently cover to cover.
I think it would be harder to do 6 athiests / 1 Christian. The one saying they became athiest b/c they're mad at God for giving their mom cancer is the Christian.
probably true
Yeah, see, that's why I think it would be a lot easier.
It's a lot easier for most atheists to pass as christian because most atheists were christian, or, at least in the US, have grown up in christian culture. They may not have been to church, but they know where the local churches are so could at least point to that.
To be fair, there probably are some Christians out there that have a decent understanding of what atheists believes. We are just used to seeing the compulsive liars online.
Their strawmen are a givaway.
They actually did that episode a while back. The mole lasted through the whole game.
Edit: For some reason I thought I remembered the mole being Katie, but Katie lasted longer than Emily who was the actual Christian. Looking back, it was apparent that Emily was the Christian cause when someone asks how the contestants felt about reconverting people, she said "love it" then back-pedaled when heard a couple of the atheists say "you have to be careful with that". Also during the reveal she mentioned that she started out Catholic, became an atheist, and was reconverted by her boyfriend.
i like how they're looking for the person who knows the LEAST about their religion... when they should be looking for the person who knows too much about several denominations.
I feel like most of us knew how this was going to go even before watching it.
they're believers, thinking is not enforced and authority is the final word so knowing your stuff is actually a green flag and that's why all these pastors can keep scamming them.
Yes, but this is just because pastors and christian Media constantly lie about atheists just to keep their game going.
Wouldn't be a great look to admit, that almost all atheists (especcially in the USA) were born and raised in a Christian believe system, and left it when they learned more about it, would it? And because of that they say, that non-believers don't know christianity very well. Its also a prerequisite for evangelism.
Agreed! In my friend group the one who was raised Catholic and went to a Catholic group actually knows the least about the Bible. Those raised Christian and atheist all know more.
@@amberkat8147 evangelicals worship a book, catholics worship a hierarchy. the pope's opinion and church tradition ultimately take precedence over everything the bible says, so the church prefers its simple catholic sheep at the bottom of the hierarchy ignorant about what the bible actually says.
i had to go to catholic RE at public school until my 18th birthday (when i finally gained the right to legally change my religious affiliation to none) after i concluded in third grade that the religious are completely full of shit, so i don't remember much.
what i do remember is that the thought of reading the bible directly never even came up. i don't think they explicitly told us not to do it, but it definitely wasn't encouraged like it is in protestant bible studies, either.
No Atheist could ever say "I was a Hardcore Atheist" without dying of Cringe
Ahahaha, quite likely! 😄
more of a thrash metal atheist myself
6 Mormons and 1 atheist... the game I play at family events because I haven't fessed up to my own beliefs but also trying to figure out if anyone else has left because they also probably wouldn't admit it in this audience.
I used to play the “see who else is an atheist” game at church but now I play the “see how well I can avoid looking atheist while still not acting mormon” game
you might be able to find out by asking people whether they've seen any debates between christian v atheist. Pretty easy to play off as a "I watch this to reaffirm my faith" but most people who watch those are atheist
@@emillundqvist8126 I watch them and I’m neither lol
Dang, you got to be the imposter for life.
Same..except mine are Southern Baptist 🥴 but I’m pretty sure I could win this game we watched!
They should do this with 3 people aged 50-70 and have them try to find the atheist. I feel like the questions would be harder and the "love" shown wouldn't be the same
Eh, part of the dynamic that makes the Among Us! style set-up compelling is the wide number of choices in the early phases, and the growing tension of the eliminations. With only 3 players, it's a 10 minute show, almost no tension, almost no conflict, and so almost no interest.
@@fernlovebond hmm, maybe 3 to 4 elder with 3 to 4 young adult ? could be interesting to see what kind of dynamic would build up.
@@Mangaka-ml6xo some age differences in the contestants would be fascinating! Especially given the generational differences in religious beliefs and expressions within Christianity.
do you want a war? because this is how you get a war
The rules are that after each round they ask you if the mole has been removed. I’ve seen a episode where people were sure they had removed the mole but kept the game going to reduce the number of people to split the money with… I think in that episode the mole survived.
Do you know how these contestants apply? Answering a questionaire about which topics you wanna be a part in and which side you represent?
@@philw6056 No I don't. I've only watched about 5 of them. I hear that sometimes they reach out to people. My best guess would be to follow their social media and see if they drop polls or questionaries.
I feel like the game would be more fun if the cash prize was also split between the ones who were voted out. Hell, I think slightly lowering the prize pool for every round they keep going could be interesting, as it would incentivise them to try and end the game the moment they're convinced they found the mole, instead of just trying to extend the game as it both decreases the chances of the mole remaining and increases the cash the remaining players get.
Now they're not just voting the mole out, they're voting out people who they know are not the mole.
I thought this game was pedestrian before but now I see it's truly as lowest common denominator viewing as the old TV game shows used to be.
@@bobthebox2993 the fact, that they could be voted out when the game continues should be enough insentive to try and keep it shorter. But then again: people love gambling and playful competition more then money.
As a fan of social deduction games generally, I hate that they cut this at all. The entire point of these sorts of games is the long-winded conversations that happen as people try to pick apart the stories that others are telling, cutting it down for time just ruins the entire thing. How am I supposed to tell whether or not I'd do better than everyone else if I have a tiny fraction of the material to work with?
Reverse Uno that round for the next game !! Find the secret christian in a group of Atheists !!!
THAT would be even more hilarious. Especially the post game interview of the mole.
That would be great 😂😂😂
You’d recognize them instantly by the atheist strawman they’re putting forward.
@@BigFormula93
Indeed, most christians don't even understand what an atheist is, let alone pretend to be one
@@kellydalstok8900 I disagree. I think I could roleplay an atheist without getting detected.
@@alonzomuncy6871 you really think you could keep your cool while six other people blaspheme heavily about your ticket to eternal bliss? 🤔
The PK thing was interesting, I don't remember that as slang. I laughed at "I was a hard-core atheist", which half the time seems to just mean they came from a different denomination that they no longer consider "saved".
I always wonder how you can be a hard-core atheist to begin with..
"I dont believe in god, like other atheists. but i do it super hardcore!"
I guess they mean gnostic atheist? or the "strong atheist" type
I guess a "super-atheist" could be an atheist who also actively hates religions and people who believe in them instead of simply not caring
Yeah, grew up in the church, US midwest, extended family is quite religious, cousin was a pastor... never heard of "PK".
It's common terminology, but many churches keep their kids so sheltered, often they don't even learn terms from other churches. I didn't know what PK meant until I went to college and met other denominations.
American christian: "do you go to church?"
Italian christian: "well I guess I'm the impostor."
(Here in Italy, less than half of the people who declares to be christian in the surveys actually has any involvement with the church.)
Half if you count as “involvement” things like “i send My children to the oratory to play” or “i send them to chatechism so that they will do the communion and/or confirmation, the they will be free to ignore it” or “i go to mass at christmas and/or easter”
If you count it as “i go to church to hear mass semi-regularly, at least a few times every month”, then it’s less than 1/10. Many chatolics in italy, ma very few chatolic practicants.
@@marcorizzoni9766 Yeah, and then there's also people like my cousin that has baptized her daughter because she was baptized by her mom... and me, that I did the Confirmation because the rest of my class did it and I was scared to get kicked out from the social circle.
@@VisiblyPinkUnicorn
Yeah, and I and my brother are both atheist, My father basically agnostic and My mother basically deist, no one of us is chatolic, but My grandparents are and so my parents baptozed us and made us do confirmation and communion just to make them happy. After the comfimation, never put a foot in a church except for weddings or turism of old ones.
Officially we are all still counted as “chatolic” in the national statistics just for being baptized.
It's basically the same in Ireland. Maybe it's a Catholicism thing.
@@jedsithor
I heard that in Ireland now a great lot of people have left the church in a relatively short time (10-20 years) for all the covered pedo sex scandals come to the light. In Italy still the media rarely touch the topic of the pedo sex scandals of the church abroad and the extra legal protection and political support in Italy prevent the ones here to be properly brought to the public. So here this is a situation that has been shimmering for a very long time, with the new generations officially pretending to be chatolic for tradition/doing the sacraments to make the grandparents happy. It’s not a recent development for us.
I mainly feel bad for all the Christians who were being sincere and were rejected by the group anyway
The schadenfreude is delightful - thinking about the christians getting kicked out of "the box", and not winning money that might even go to a church, because they were thought to be faux believers. Ha ha ha !!
They got a small taste of what the lesbian has to deal with daily.
I don’t.
Amused that the group slowly reduced itself to three white guys
it is ironic how many Christians love saying "he/she is not a true Christian" yet fail at spotting a fake Christian when one is in front of them
This is literally the first time since college 20 years ago that I've heard someone use the word shibboleth. That's one of my favorite technical words. It's super useful discussions about subcultures, secret societies, and other groups that for one reason or another have members that need to remain secret.
I heard the term a lot at the beginning of the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
@@pechaa oh I bet!
In WWII the Americans used "lollapalooza" as a shibboleth because it's one of the most difficult English words for a Japanese speaker to say.
Got pretty famous again due to the Westwing scene Paul showed... around the year 2000, LOL.
In the Dominican Republic during the reign of Trujillo a Shibboleth test was used to differentiate illegal Haitian immigrants from Dominicans along the borders. Dominican soldiers would hold up a piece of Parsley and ask the person to say the name of the plant.
“So I grew up Mormon…”
Group members: “”OH!””
😂😂😂
Edit; as a former Mormon, along with my wife who was a music director there, we both starting laughing when Paul played “families can be together forever”. It’s sooooooooooo burnt in our minds! (Also Popcorn Popping on the Apricot Tree)
Second, exmo here. I totally had flashbacks when they played the "families can be together forever"
Same, started singing along even. For Paul, you need to understand that this song's message is one of the main marketing themes used in the Mormon church.
@@ascalon132 It very much is so….until you take a good hard look at your family and think to yourself, “I’m going to be stuck with THESE people forever?!? No thank you!” There’s a reason Utah has some of the highest anti-depressant usage in the world.
Always hated that song. Hahahaha. Give me that popcorn tree any day over the first.
@@thelostone6981 lol I understand where you're coming from. But as a happily married man with amazing kids, i can definitely understand the allure of the message and why it's so successful. I think the depressant usage comes from the multi-factor effect of:
"We're the happiest people because we have the Plan of Happiness- Now act like it!"
"You are not good enough as who are and full of sin, also we're a works based religion so you have to be good enough to get into heaven"
"No non-prescription drugs (weed or alcohol)" So anti-depressants is one of your only avenues.
Just the beginning of my .02
16:37. Have you heard of the FL school principal who was fired because he showed the students a picture of Michaelangelo's David? One of the parents thought it was pornographic.
Not quite. It was a she - her name is Hope Carrasquilla - and she was fired because an art lesson (that she was not involved in) showed 11 and 12-year-olds pictures of David as well as Botticelli’s Birth of Venus. She took the heat because she had not warned parents. She was in Florence, Italy to see the statue a couple of days ago. You are quite right to say that one of the parents (a father, I believe) claimed that the statue was pornographic, demonstrating that he a) has never seen pornography and b) has not read his bible - at least the part that has the story of David and Goliath.
Just figure out whoever knows the bible the best...
This is why I would have failed. Lol
yep, definitely atheist "can you quote ezekiel 23" a christian wouldn't have a clue what you're talking about.
Indeed, the person who knows the bible best is probably the atheist! 😅😂😉
attention all sheep I can prove Jesus power an I will😢
I mean, some Christians do the Bible memorization thing, so if you just do straight quoting you might get a false positive or two. Still, a decent method, probably
Well I sucked at that game. Someone would say something stupid and I was like "definitely them, that has to be a bad attempt at sounding Christian". Then the next person would say something stupid and I was like "definitely them, that has to be a bad attempt at sounding Christian". Then the next person would say something stupid and I was like "definitely the...oh wait, I see what's happening here."
Nothing defames Christians more than true believers.
Even when I was a Christian I'm not sure I could have answered the question about having a profound spiritual experience. I just believed it man lol
Same!
I suspect many "profound religious experiences" are made up for the benefit of a group where their is pressure to have had a profound religious experience. On the other hand, many people have profound experiences, but wouldn't classify them as "religious" if they had some other context in which to interpret them.
I was raised a Christian, and remained one till age 26. I never had a religious experience, and I never saw a miracle, but my mom supposedly witnessed a miracle and that was good enough for me (mostly).
I probably would have said something like "Yeah definitely. I used to go to church camp every summer, and every time you just get this spiritual high."
That was really painful. Six people with so much angst
I may ha e been cleaning my ear out when you saod the phrase "faithless sinner saved by grace" and it sounded like "saved by drinks" which as a former catholic, still seems like the truth.
🤣🍻
@@Paulogia God is good and the devil is evil
@@nathaniel6526 The "devil" liberated mankind from ignorance by having Eve eat of the forbidden fruit. He's the hero of the story.
@@jedsithor ok
Most of the suggestions you've made are coming from a place of incredibly deep knowledge and towards a specific group of very invested Christians. I feel most Christians would fail your Christian questions because they aren't into biblical study, watching religious entertainment, know much about the differences between the different religious sects etc. Most Christians just believe in God, Jesus, heaven and hell, and have a vague notion of what it means to be a good person and go to heaven
I'm a Christian and I don't even believe in hell lol. But I agree with the rest of your points
@@msjkrameyinteresting. Are you a Christian Universalist of some kind?
I’ve heard a stat that 7% of Christians in America have read the whole Bible.
Well the fact that your last sentence is true to whatever degree is FREAKING horrifying, because, having saving faith in Jesus doesnt require a person be a good person to go spend Eternity with God (because it is impossible for a human to be good. Jesus explicitly said none are good but God). A huge percent of so-called Christians are actually following a religion of works, and sadly, have no real relationship with the Creator.
@@YokaiX I have heard an interpretation of what the Bible says about the afterlife that thinks there is no Hell, merely non-existence. Ive flirted with that belief for years. Thinking about Hell does raise the question of why a merciful God doesnt at the end of all things just obliviate anyone who hasnt chosen a relationship with Him. The conclusion Ive reached is that He CANT.
And no, that isnt as blasphemous as it may initially sound. There are quite a few things God cant do, some of which we CAN. For example, Create a rock so heavy that even He cant lift it. No, God cant do that. He also cant lie, which is one of the many thing we can do and He cant. Any form of sin is like that, doable for us but not for God.
But yeah, my guess is that God cant annihilate a sentient soul.
I didn't know any of this stuff even when I was Christian. Reminds me of when I was forced to go to a JW party and they made us play a miserable Bible quiz Pictionary type game. I got the tower of Babel and had no idea what it was. Thought I was going to get lectured and ratted out to my mother for my ignorance, but I drew a big tower and one little man (who I thought was named Babel), and they got it! I was saved! Well...
"saved" 😂
The part about the pastor's kid being the most rebellious, from my experience, is true. My grandmother was the daughter of a pastor and she hated religion until she died.
I was impressed that Paul was able to weed out Andrew and easily identify the dude-bro alliance. But man, that vegitales question would have been killer.
Catholics: “their priests aren’t supposed to be having kids!” 😂😂😂
Love that double meaning.
realizing that an ex christian could go on that episode and answer honestly (ie; where did you find your faith, did you have any religious experiences) without making anything up
True
That was fun. And yeah, Andrew was definitely suspect when he went with "higher power."
20/20 hindsight, right? xD
As soon as he opened his mouth I knew he wasn't a Christian
Agreed. Whenever someone is trying not to commit to what they are saying it's a huge sign they aren't being straightforward. I once asked a colleague if he was Christian and he said "I was raised Christian." That didn't fool me for a second because I had literally used that line before when I was keeping my atheism quiet.
I'd have failed *so* hard at that game. First off, I'm not a skilled liar, so it would have been hard on that front. But mainly, I haven't attended church since early elementary school, and wasn't very into it even then. Plus, even that was a weird church that wouldn't have exposed me to the sort of detail these folks were asking. It was just a handful of families in navy base housing getting together at one couple's house.
Gotta get better at lying, otherwise you might not make it. 😆 JK JK
Lol, same
My social anxiety would immediately disqualify me…unless I leaned into it, but still, I was raised Catholic in Portugal. None of the things they talk about means anything to me. I’d just blink and be confused.
Better than me... The only time I've been in church is during funerals and weddings. (Also, I'm too stupidly honest to have done well.)
I'm a terrible liar but I do know the bible
I was baptized when I was six years old and what I remember was how terrified I was when I saw that big pool of water coming up at me considering I hadn't learned how to swim yet and that wouldn't happen till a year later when I was 7 years old.
Same, seeing that water bowl coming at me. I remember screaming, struggling, and crying for my dad to help me and not hurt me. Only for him to hold me tighter. To prevent my thrashing. So, I understand the fear and betrayal you felt.
That's so reckless......gotta at least make sure you can swim or are comfortable enough in water. Some Churches only use a glass of water instead of a pool and pour it in the person's forehead, but that must have been scary as a child who couldn't swim.....Maybe in your place i would have brought my floaties and lead to awkwardness or laughter......
I grew up Russian Orthodox. Which is an entirely different experience from American Christianity. There is no common ground in music, community, or liturgy. We even used the Old Calendar so celebrated Pascha and the Feast of the Nativity on different days. If I was still practising and went on that show, they might decide I was an atheist due to having no clue about half of what they were talking about. 🤔☦🤨
I grew up Church of England in Britain, and probably would have been voted off within two rounds. Seems the USA experience of religion is _very_ different to the European experience!
@@lidbass --yep. America has a very evangelical streak that has even seeped into otherwise traditional or catholic churches. I think at least partially to be able to reach out and attract American churchgoers.
As a former Californian Christian, the "I love God through my art" is extremely accurate, I straight up know people who believe that God works through vibrations and the best way to worship him is by making "dope music". Andrew used the same strategy I probably would.
EDIT: If anyone wants a WILD ride through this type of mindset, this podcast done by someone from the town I went to highschool in is a pretty good example. ua-cam.com/video/cyN4uJUWyNg/v-deo.html
God the All Wiggling
To be clear, Alec Wry is still a Christian, they just stopped believing in California.
If god works through vibrations why doesn't he change the battery's by himself?
@@geoffmower8729 Selfish bottom.
@@rainbowkrampus 🤪
Damn dude you’re on point with the thing you miss the most.
Back in my Christian life I was a worship leader.
It honestly is a huge hole in my life, not being up on a stage leading people in music.
It’s really difficult for me to articulate, but if you have been there, you know.
Check your local rec center, maybe try to convince someone to let you start a class, dance, exercise, an elderly mixer hehe, maybe find a close pagan community, they always have fun things going on without the icky preachy stuff.
@@carolinusTG Oh I've got plenty going on in my social life, haha.
I was specifically speaking to the act of leading worship or playing in a worship band. If you haven't done it and loved it, it's hard to explain.
It's the joy of playing music, couple with being a part of what is, for many, a profoundly emotional experience.
It's honestly an emotional high, and it is incredibly hard to find anywhere else. I just straight up haven't found it anywhere else.
I recognize that as a major issue in religious that practice worship or praise music. It's straight up emotional priming and manipulation. 100%. But that doesn't mean I don't miss that feeling.
If you are a musician you know just how good it feels to make beautiful music.
Have you tried transitioning to secular music?
Also a former “worship leader” here. Music was by far the major emotional connection I felt to “god” when I was a believer. I think a large part of my deconversion, on that note, was me going to more secular concerts and realizing those emotions weren’t actually tied to “god”; they were just because I enjoyed music.
But regardless, have you tried joining or starting a secular band? It’s much more difficult because you’re not guaranteed a captive audience and the skill floor to actually get “in” is much higher. However, you still can get the exact same (and arguably greater) emotions from performing secular music in front of a crowd.
@@bass-tones I've thought long and hard about it, and I would join/start a band in a heartbeat, but frankly I just don't have the time for it.
That was one of the nice things about being in a church band. The times were very consistent, structured, and somewhat achievable, especially if you have kids.
I definitely don't shy away from secular music, haha.
The analysis was really fun here: Please do more, if more exists!
a number of these my old church would call "not a real Christian"
As an exJW, an active JW would fail from question one probably! I am sitting here and trying to think what I would say according to my old beliefs and how different they are from "mainstream" christianity.. this is super interesting! Edit: I wrote this comment just before the "I grew up Mormon comment"
I thought Grace, being a PK, was the mole, but I also thought that if I was the mole I would start with a hard questions knowing that I have already researched the answer and would judge their responses. Exactly like Andrew did, I did not suspect him at all, he knew all the answers, exactly as an atheist would!
That's how you spot the atheist. They're always more knowledgeable about the bible than most theists. That's likely how they became atheists in the first place.
I thought it was Andrew after the art comments. He was the fishiest to me.
Since the 'biblicaly acurate angel' thing my money was on Tony.
Guess I would have lost.
Well played Andrew.
I thought that too for a moment.
One of the biggest things believers need to realize about most non-believers… we used to believe too. Or, at a minimum, grew up surrounded by the belief.
Pretty sure that's mostly an American thing, if it's even a thing at all.
@@youknowitstrue3826 it's a western thing. Even European countries deal with this. Some even have it worse. Others it so quiet might as say they don't have to deal with it.
I will say, as someone who was raised initially as Catholic, then split between Lutheran and Catholic services for most of my teen years, a lot of Paul's suggestions wouldn't work on Catholics and many main-line protestants. A lot of the call and response stuff like "He is risen. He is risen indeed" don't happen in those denominations, unless things have changed a lot since I last attended.
Even the seemingly ubiqutous VeggieTales I think is more of an Evangelical phenomenon, though I wouldn't be surprised if it has crept into mainline denominations over the years. I was still a believer when VeggieTales was first airing and while I was exposed to it at my friend's Evangelical Free church, the Lutherans and Catholics I knew either didn't watch it or didn't talk about it if they did.
I actually like this experiment.
10:00
OK, the Lutheran guy from Minnesota is a nice touch (yes, that's a good place to find Lutherans). His comment about being baptized there, not so sure but I don't know as much about the attitudes of the MS or WS versions. It's not something you would hear from an ELCA member generally.
Been an atheist for 35 years and Paul is correct about asking for a favorite Veggie Tales episode. I couldn't answer that question, because I can't narrow it down to just one episode!
I might go with Madame Blueberry, but it's a tough decision.
That's a good one, but I have a hard time remembering the details since it was so long ago. I would probably answer something like "Oh man, that's a great question. I can't remember my favorite episode, but I can tell you my favorite Silly Song from Larry. Specifically, _Barbara Manatee_ "
God, I would LOVE to have been able to be a part of a show like this. This would have been FUN.
The only turn-off for me would be having to be so close/boxed-up with 6 other new acquittances. They should make one that is just a written test, even if they get to see the pictures of the participants. Smart of him to wear business casual and act it with an "art" curve ball.
This was unbelievably fun to watch. I liked you riffing on these contestants, thinking out loud. I clicked on the video to watch something mildly entertaining while eating dinner, but I have to say that this is my favorite of your videos I've seen yet. And I've seen a good few!
Matt Dillahunty playing Among Us is something I never knew I needed to see
Honestly this style of video was the best. So genuine and chill even though it likely took a lot of editing.
I wish they had seasons of this so you could react to all of the episodes. Maybe consider doing something like that👍
As a former believer I can tell you anywhere one finds angels interacting with humans, the angel says, " don' t be afraid".
Finding a LGBTQ+ accepting church was one of the things on the list for my cis het husband when he was looking for a new church. I'm kind of curious how much I would throw them off having been agnostic or atheist most of my life, never Christian, but going to church on an almost weekly basis since my husband changed churches. As my husband says I "fake it well."
Why would he even ask you to "fake it" sounds a little disrespectful to me
@@undrwatropium3724 he never asked me to do so. I did it out of respect for those in the church. At our current (new) church (he was Roman Catholic and has switched to Episcopal) they know of my atheism. But, once again, I stand/sit/kneel when they do. I sing along with the rest of the congregation because I enjoy it. I participate in the church community and am welcomed by them.
@@KellyDVance You're both faking it, what's even the point of that?
@@youknowitstrue3826 he is Christian, I support his faith journey. I am atheist, not anti-theist, and he respects when I don't want to attend with him. But you go ahead and feel like you can gate keep who is Christian and who is atheist, and we'll continue to consider your opinion irrelevant, because it is.
Why is no one actually reading your comment 😂 it's in black and white right above
I wasn't familiar with "He is risen. He's risen indeed" but I was familiar with "God is good, all the time and all the time God is good." I think I'd personally just start out by shouting that out and seeing who reacts lol
I’d have passed that too
I too wasn't familiar with the "he is risen indeed" response, nor have I ever had a religious experience, nor witnessed a miracle, but I can tell you my favorite Veggie Tales episodes (Madam Blueberry and the Lary Boy movies), I can tell how I moved my lips in church so people didn't know I wasn't participating when we got to the line "out of Zion's hill, salvation comes" (which seemed blasphemous to me), and I. An tell you the frustration of a worship leader who likes to improvise the order of the verses and a projectionist who can't keep up with the worship leaders. I also had Noah's Ark bathtub toys when I was a kid.
That was fun to watch and to get your perspective on what the contestants were saying.
You gave me a whiplash of memories playing (Families can be together foever) out of the blue like that.
If you're missing out on the communal singing, try a community choir or start one if there's none around. You might be surprised how many people would get involved.
There would be a good program for the satanic team to get into, seeing as the crimbians believes satan was the angel of worship
It's easy to fool people who are used to being fooled.
People singing the ... BUM BUM BUM!!! from sweet caroline is about the closest secular experience to hymn singin' hahaha
not wrong
@@Paulogia I had nearly a religious experience in the festival crowd for a Creed concert once...
"With arms wide open.... ". 😂
Man you just had to play a clip of that song didn’t you, it seems like after years it was finally out of my head. Now I’ll be whistling it all week lol
I don't think many lifelong atheist would have to 'invent' a religious experience, instead, it would be added religious subtext to a profound experience they had. For example, on holiday once I visited a Japanese garden whilst very stressed. Upon finding the right place the sounds of other people stopped being a concern, and I could just focus on the plants, calmness and life around me, which reduced my anxiety considerably. If I was inclined towards Buddhism or Shinto then I could read that into it, because that style of garden is an area where the spiritual and the physical worlds collide in Japanese tradition. Or looking at it from a Christian worldview, the garden of Eden comes instantly to mind, maybe my soul recognised that a calm garden is where we truly belong. Maybe I sensed the beauty and design.
Admitting that you don't go to church is such an obvious error that Chance cannot be the Atheist.
I almost never comment. But this was such a good video. The insight you provided on christianity and how each participant were doing. What you think they should have said, shouldn't have said, ... Combined with your own competitive spirit, you could evaluate their skills. I loved it
That's actually a surprisingly challenging situation.
Not just about who acts more Christian or atheist, but how Christians and atheists are perceived.
I wonder if they would have been better off focusing on perceptions of atheists, rather than perceptions of Christians.
Getting into Christian discussions about atheists might be telling.
That was fun, and interesting. Good one.
Goddamn. Paulogia is not a channel I typically expect to come across Mormon triggers like "Families Can be Together Forever" 😣
I immediately though about the "Is a Catholic a Christian?" gatekeeping question. That would be interesting. But, speaking of gatekeeping, selecting a group of Christian is hard since there are so many mutually exclusive ideas of what you need to be to be a Christian. LGBT friendly would be a totally non-starter where I come from. You could not be a Christian unless you want to eradicate LGBT entirely.
In truth, the "Is a Catholic a Christian?" thing should probably be the other way around. It should be "Are non-Catholic Christians really Christian?" After all they turned their backs on the successors of Peter and the one true church...or something. As a lapsed Catholic I feel the need to defend it against the heresy of protestantism....even though I don't believe any of it 🤣
On a serious note, any version of Christianity that takes Leviticus and the writing of Paul seriously has to be anti-LGBT+ and even denominations that claim to be inclusive have to ultimately want the gay members of their church to "repent" even if they don't come right out and say it. Those that don't take a strict view are really using secular morality rather than religious faith to guide them and that's a good thing, not that you'll get them to admit that's what they're doing.
As far as the scary angel, I'm surprised you aren't talking about the weird description multiple circles of eyes rotating around a huge eye.
don't dismiss the possibility that a skeptic might convert. There are things far more powerful than rationality. Sometimes you just need to believe for your own survival. if you put the right psychological pressure at the right time you would be surprised at the results. It the reason its so risky to expose yourself to a cult.
C.S. Lewis was a skeptical Atheist and called himself, "the saddest convert in all of England" when he converted until he was "surprised by joy".
So much for the gift of discernment from the Holy Spirit.
12:27 yeah, this guy claiming to have been a "hardcore atheist" that's definitely something a christian who was never an atheist would say. If you have been an atheist you know saying you were a "hardcore atheist" is incoherent. That being said, an atheist who's familiar with apologetics would know christians lie about this, using this phrase, all the time. So it might be a christian pretending to have been atheist to score seen-the-light-again points, or it might be an atheist who knows christians will actually believe it.
Always a good day when you upload, thanks for the quality content as always ❤
I laughed so hard when you made the Tim Minchin comment. That was my first thought. Then I did a double take, "is that Jimmy Snow???"
Kind of curious that it ended up with three white dudes. Maybe they had the most similar experience (despite one growing up Mormon) so their stories rang true to each other. But just having an alliance of 2 out of 7 total can give a lot of voting power, so that might have more to do with it.
It was interesting to hear Paul thread his way through
the elimination. Unexpectedly amusing.
this was a fun video! love it
Thanks for the video :)
This was a lot of fun. Maybe you can get Andrew on the show sometime to talk about this.
Quite entertaining, and insightful too.
appreciate that
I'd seen that show before a while ago.. but long enough ago I didn't recall who "won" or anything else.
17:14 You might not be able to get on stage, but just going ro a concert and joining your voice in with other people as passionate about the music as you comes pretty close to that feeling in church for me
That was a fun video. Not the usual fare but most enjoyable :)
I'd have totally leaned into it if I were on this show. I'd have even name dropped churches and denominations, talked about how similar they are to each other and yet completely different in some areas - but that makes sense seeing as the denomination I grew up in broke away from the denomination that my "current church" belongs to back in 1929. My grandpa wrote a pamphlet about the formation of the denomination, which is how I know that - he was a pastor.
I'd also lean into theological differences between me and my family and that it can make family gatherings tense. But we have to remind ourselves that our differences aren't salvation issues, so while we'll argue about it here on Earth, we'll find out who's right when we get to heaven. lol
Idk, this would be SO easy for most atheist to do undercover if they were someone who de-converted at some point in their life. Especially since many of us pretended to be Christian lots of times as an atheist already wither it be work, school, or family.
I've experienced a post bereavement experience while I was driving. I was grieving for my grandmother. I felt a warm feeling come over me. I know there are explanations for that. But I hope there is something more to that.
There's no way I could pass as a western christian on that show, so I would try to sell them story that I'm orthodox and that my family didn't go to church every Sunday.
Just a bite intro? Let's goooooo
That was fun :) Thank you.
Legit love this. Kinda like Big Brother in that once you say something/anything you have no idea how the other person will hear it. Once it's sus it can quickly snowball into getting you evicted. And not talking will make you equally suspect.
There was so much I could not follow, at all. I have a few theories about my own religious background leaving me woefully unprepared to understand your points in each case. Also games are hard for me not being the sharpest crayon in the box. However I picked out the atheist. I've worked my whole life in entertainment and I can pick out someone"acting" in a heartbeat. He wasn't convincing as an honest portrayer. This was great! SO engaging, thank-you! I actually watched it through twice.
I somewhat do this sort of thing often, though on Twitter or Reddit. I'll engage in an argument over a dangerous/bad take on some verse from the Bible, and I try to avoid revealing I'm an atheist. Christians can be dismissive to hostile to an atheist quoting their book to argue against them.
Here's something fun to try in your next argument. When someone uses an isolated Bible verse to justify themselves, go look it up and read the 10 verses before and after it. This will give you all the context you need to call out their BS. And full disclosure, I am a Christian.
@@tacoman10 just did this to point out that Lucifer is explicitly said to be the king of Babylon and is only used in Isaiah 14. Not the devil. But I already know the context for at least common claims, esp supposedly messianic prophecy. Grew up k-12 in a Christian school then Bible college.
@@shgysk8zer0 Bet you were dealing w/ King James onlyist probably the cultic kind. lucifer is latin for morning star. The accusation against modern version that correctly translate the Hebrew or even the Greek OT. Vs the KJ that bought the latin in.
That was a lot of fun. Thank you.
22:20 You'd be surprised at some of the musical stuff that goes on at house concerts, at least around Southern California.
Yeah there's no possible way anyone could pick me out as a non-believer if I didn't want them to. Lol.
When I was fourteen, I woke up, unable to move, and a portal of light opened up in my room, and two hands reached out for me, and I believed those were the hands of Christ at the time. I also had times where I woke up and was unable to move and a demon would wander around my room, crawl on top of me, stare at me, show its sharp razor teeth, and smile and rub my face and then leave, and I'd be able to move again.
This led me to hold on to faith for a long time, until I discovered sleep paralysis and remembered all the times where I just woke up, my entire body tingling and asleep, unable to move, and struggling to breathe with no supernatural occurrence, and it all made sense.
Even today, when I meditate, I'll have amazing mystical experiences. Everything melting away, me floating through all of space in absolute silence, at complete peace. Bright lights and brilliant colors. Even contact with entities that guided me through forgiveness, acceptance, and a lack of fear.
It's funny to me when people put mystical experiences up as their proof of their God.
Never had sleep paralysis, but most of my dreams have been nightmares my whole life. Hearing stuff like this, it's funny to me (and a relief) that they've never once been religious in nature, even though I suffered from the typical Christian guilt. My religion didn't believe in hello, but a lot of people mention being terrified as kids by this one storybook they used to publish with particularly gruesome imagery. I just liked the art and I was indifferent to being destroyed at Armageddon.
It mostly just makes me kinda sad that so many people never get an opportunity to learn much about how their brain functions and the common ways it fails at making rational sense of the world.
Like, bereavement hallucinations are uncommon but not that uncommon. They hit so different when you're already aware of them vs. when you have no idea that they are a thing.
Paul! You can't be springing "Families can be together forever" on us exmos like that!
I almost spilt my sinful coffee!
Althogh I should have seen that coming from a mile away once it was brought up.
How He Loves Us isn't just a Dave Crowder Band song lol I'm sure you've heard the "sloppy wet" vs. "unforseen" kiss debate lol
The Catholicism question would probably get me.
I relate to Andrew and his baptism story. Mine was confirmation because I was raised catholic but I felt nothing other than I wish I could of wear a pretty dress like the girls and I could of picked a better name 😊.
Fun episode!
Didn’t realize you were a survivor fan, love that show!
Oh this sounds interesting
I would have failed being the secret atheist… to much knowledge and no skin in the game.
Fabulous show, Paul. We've come a long way, eh?
Hey, do you remember the source of the photo at 6:26 ? It’s very similar to a photo I made some years ago, and would be interested in checking out that photographer and their other stuff - we may have similar tastes or something. :)
(I don’t imagine it to be plagiarism or whatever, just similar thinking or something… though I suppose it being based on having seen my photo would also be possible. Either way, just interested in knowing more about the photographer.)