12 Reasons Why Christians Will Be Persecuted (Todd Friel response)
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- Опубліковано 16 сер 2022
- According to Wretched TV host, Todd Friel, Christians in America are entering a new era where non-believers are no longer cheering or even tolerating them... they are being jeered. But is jeering the same as persecution?
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"We are being persecuted because they won't let us force our beliefs onto other people." I give up. How are these people real? Do they not listen to themselves? This is always ridiculous.
I read a person complaining that science wouldn't allow things that can't be tested or proved into science.... they were of course a creationist.
"we are being persecuted when it's us that wants to persecute" religidiots.
they lied, they used a certain ''person's'' word's, taken out of context to empower themselves - THAT ''PERSON'' WOKE UP - and now they are shitting themselves, as that ''person'' has serious issue's with their lies, misrepresentation and wants serious fucking payback.
I think part of it is because Jesus said that Christians would be persecuted, so American Christians who have it quite cushy feel like they're not "Christianing" hard enough. Thus, they have to really stretch the definition of "persecution" in order to feel like they are truly following Jesus. Prophet of Zod has a good video on this: ua-cam.com/video/fCj_17TpEjk/v-deo.html
To be fair... if you have managed to split up your overwhelming majority of the population into 50,000 different way smaller sects that all declare the largest share of the others to be false christians and not being christianing correctly, you feel always like a minority.
Only this is obviously THEIR fault. How could they take "one, true god" and find so many ways to NOT understand it? ;)
Let me decode this....people are starting to not buy our bullsh*t.....time to break out the persecution card
I said almost the same thing.
Basically, the money and influence train is slowing down, so cry, whine, scream and throw up until people go "Ok! Ok!" and come back to you. :)
+Francis Dasta, writes _"time to break out the persecution card"_
Their "holy book" says that they will be persecuted, and since their holy book is inerrant they must be getting persecuted, even if they can't explain how.
@@fred_derf Sounds like a placebo effect.
@@reubenmanzo2054 Actually, when expectations cause you to experience negative psychosomatic effects rather than positive ones, it's called the *nocebo effect.
"I punched people in the face. Now they are mad at me. I am TOTALLY being Persecuted for this." -Christians
“And look, i sprained my wrist on their jaw! I’m suing for damages”
@@alisaurus4224 I can't breath🤣 no seriously.. i can not breath... the missionaries are strangling me for responding to their vicious videos😰
Funny enough, that's how Christians in the 2nd to 4th centuries acted like.
Not all of them but the ones who did went and started picking fights with other religions to get beaten up and claim to be martyred for the faith.
It got so bad that the local governors would punish them for antagonizing people.
@@goddoesnthaveasaviourthatn2892 and after they unalive you, they will sue you for having sore forearms, which is the very definition of persecution, you godless monster!🤣🤣🤣
2 Corinthians 4:4
Growing up as an atheist my parents prepared me for persecution from my Christian environment and people.
Excuse me, get your facts straight! It’s the poor downtrodden Xtians who are getting persecuted by the “satanic” atheists! 😜
I mean. My experiences have been pamphlets, the occasional sneer and argumentative believer, a few fruit cakes thinking I must be a cannibal and otherwise behave like a psychopath. I wouldn’t call these things oppressive. I do wonder from time to time about being hired or promoted but I don’t that being an atheist has impacted me but I am certain that it can and does impact people in that way. I hope you have not been impacted much.
I grew up without religion in my home, thankfully, being British, thats the norm. The only place we really got exposed to religion was at school and its the reason why pretty much everyone I grew up with is an atheist.
@thetypingape2073 my inability to be politically influential or run for office felt rather oppressive as I wanted a career in the field. Thankfully things have changed a lot in 20 years. Though it is still illegal on many places for atheists to hold public office..... also, I was expelled from the Boy Scouts in 2003 for being an atheist. That also felt oppressive since it was a secular organization sponsored by my public school.
Cheers to your parents 🥂
When your holy book tells you you're going to be persecuted, you have to make darn sure you're being persecuted.
And it got so bad in early Christianity that an early church father (might be Clement, don't quote me on that) told them to stop trying to get themselves martyred because so many were trying to die as martyrs by provoking other religious groups and the local government.
thats p much the basis for Existentialism. Kierkegaard had the question, "how can I be a Christian in a primarily Christian society?" he recognized Christianity as counterculture, and so it loses its substance when it becomes cultural.
seems the "moral majority" ignored that memo.
Went to visit my aunt in Scottsdale. She's an amazing woman who has lived an amazing life of service and adventure (2 tours as a surgical nurse in Vietnam, worked in humanitarian (nonreligious) disaster relief in Asia and Africa for 20 years, worked in Turkey for a womens education rights NGO, etc, etc). Later in life she married a religiously conservative man and became an evangelical. Now she lives in an expensive gated community (w 24hr gate guards of course) on a golf course and her life has contracted to her church and its members. I got to spend 4 days listening to 70+ yr old very very rich people complain about how discriminated against they were for their religion and how scared for the future they were behind their gates. It was tragic.
Poor things
That's terrible. She just dropped everyone else and is only going to church with her husband? Doesn't she see how full of shit it is and how horrible the people there are? Or is she brainwashed now?
@@dave9242 She's down for their program.
@@taylorlibby7642
Oh shit, that sucks. I hope she wakes up soon. ✌️👍
I like your story. Same thing at my former church where the gross local product (?) per capita was probably $100K. Then I watched a video about people on Java island, who spend everyday going into an active volcano, pick up slabs of sulphur to fill two shoulder carried baskets up to 180 lbs, carry it out of the volcano and get paid. They do this twice in a day, yes, with sulfuric gas all about, for around $8-10 per day. Plus 1-2 hour commute both ways. Here in US, very rich.
I.e.: "I'm not allowed to oppress others, and I found that oppressive."
"You won't tolerate my intolerance, what happened to the tolerant left"
And the answer to that is "we let you grow until you turned into a cult that worships Trump and Republican Jesus instead of stopping you before by being so tolerant of your intolerance"
To those who have enjoyed privilege a leveling of the scales feels like persecution.
They be claiming to be the oppressed the whole time, it is just worse since we started taking the stick away every time we catch them beating up others, or oppressing them....
Specially if a core tenet of your religion is that you'll be persecuted
@@Fernando-ek8jp That's why they run around trying to deny others rights, like Marriage. Then go "OH NO! I am Totally under attack! Help!"
@@Fernando-ek8jp almost makes it sound like they actually read the bible...
That's pretty close to what I was thinking.
If you have been untouchable for a long time, a little pushback must be very scary.
When I was a believer, I was stunned by the number of people against abortion but not interested in helping anyone. I adopted 7. We tried to run a ministry to encourage others to do the same and we shared it with other churches. About 12 families did so, out of the thousands of people that the need was shared with (multiple church presentations). They are all for telling others what to do but won't do a damn thing to help others. Bunch of whiny asses.
The goal is to feel superior to everyone else. When you put it in that light, a lot of problems, including an entire political party in the US, start making a lot more sense.
I commend you for adopting but am curious if you have attempted to solicit non-believers to adopt and how their success rate their compared to your former church ministry.
@@dustinlgardner Leaving the church included a divorce. Too much to unpack but the result has left me a pariah in the community. Most of the people in my town are evangelicals and they all know each other. I suspect that the response would be the same. Apathy. No one cares about these kids. It's sad.
I commend you too for your adoption and trying to encourage others to do so.
Adoption is quite common occurrence in my family, so I was quite surprised to actually find out that some people view adoption very negatively. The most common and sad trend I saw where men who do not like the idea of adoption because they view it as synonymous to cuckolding. I didn’t view much negative views about women, but wouldn’t be surprised if some women would view adoption as a failure of womanhood by admitting you can’t or couldn’t conceive.
So I agree that some myths and concepts need to be broken around adoption.
This was always a big part of my problem with Christians as a young Christian.
I remember being advised to not give to people begging on the street. I could not understand why. My mom encouraged me sometimes though.
Or how it was seen as "amazing" and not "normal" when I made a number of plates to give to the few homeless people around our home during festivities during Christmas and Easter.
While we have religious freedom, telling children they go to hell should be punished as child abuse.
What if you think they're going to Hell should you just not tell them?
@@Greyz174 I mean, to a degree, yes. There are all sorts of unfortunate truths about the world young children aren't really ready to deal with. Like, you don't spend time warning children about serial killers in detail or whatever, that'd be traumatizing. Telling them that if they misbehave they'll be tortured for eternity can also be extremely traumatizing for some. Even if you're sure Hell is real, let the kids mature enough to deal with the subject rather than just experience visceral and existential terror without being able to consider the subject rationally.
@@thaddeusgenhelm8979 hmmmm this makes some sense but I'd have to think about how it works within the whole Christian worldview. not sure how contradictory it is. good food for thought though
@@Greyz174 I mean, in theory, for young enough children, the idea that they should believe in Jesus because he's God and he cares about them and forgives them for their misdeeds should be enough to make sure that if they die young they should have a chance to get into heaven without terrorizing them.
Granted, it requires one to be psychologically aware that the threat of hell is a terrible thing to inflict on people, which might be an uncomfortable level of self awareness for some people as it doesn't make God look good, but I feel like there's an "ethical" way to instill the behaviors that get you into Heaven in their system, which is the "important" thing, in theory.
I guess. But I feel you are watering down the term.
Come up with a new term.
Every single child who was physically mentally verbally sexually abused as a child, has had this impact them.
I dont think every kid who is told about hell would've been affected. Only a portion.
This reminds me of a text thread I was part of recently. Two of my conservative Catholic family members were listing the Catholic saints who were persecuted or even martyred for their religion during WWII. I mentioned that there were 6 million Jewish people killed for their religion in WWII. Deafening silence. The thread ended.
The Catholic Church aided and abetted that behavior.
More for their ethnicity, but I take your point.
I've had the same conversation with my conservative Catholic family members. They fully fall for the revisionist history narrative/ Catholic propaganda that the German Third R**ch was engaged in some widespread, systematic persecution of Catholics or even Christians in general. I remind them that not only does Germany's census data indicate that approximately 40% of the German population identified as Catholic and north of 95% as some type of Christian at the outbreak of WW2 in Europe, but Germany's closest ally at the outbreak of war - Italy - was likely THE MOST Catholic County (% of population wise) on the planet at that time (Vatican City excepted).
While ertainly some persecution of Catholics did occur, as another commenter pointed out, most of this likely had much more to do about ethnicity and/ or that person's political stances (such as, "I don't like the Germans razing my country to the ground and murdering my countryman and am going to speak out or do something about it"), rather than them simply being Catholic. This is trivially demonstrated by looking at where most of this "Catholic persecution" occurred - in areas that were populated by ethnicities that the German political authorities considered inferior, such as Poland and Bohemia. Catholics under German rule in Norway, Denmark, the low countries, heavily Catholic France, not to mention Italy were largely left to their own devices unless they made it their personal business to run afoul of the occupying authorities.
Not for their religion, for their ethnicity. Nazis hated Jews as an enemy people group.
@@XboxxxGuy Except they didn’t, the Catholic Church actually was pretty openly against the Nazi regime
Spending eternity with Todd in heaven can not possibly make hell any worse!!
Good one!
Lol. 🤣
😂
Paul, you are way more patient than I am, I can't imagine listening to that man's irritating way of talking multiple times while editing this video without smashing my screen.
Yeah, I think Todd has taken over William Lane Craig as the most annoying apologist voice. He’s getting worse with time.
Like man, imagine being this self-righteous day to day. Ugh it just sounds exhausting!
@@SteveSkiano WLC’s natural voice is a bit grating, but Todd’s oily voice coupled with his exaggerated Kent Brockman inflections is unbearable more than a few seconds at a time.
They're both gross.
The part I cannot understand is that they both seem to have audiences that purposely seek out their content..... AND support them financially. 🤦♂️
I have to admire Paul for staying so cool and dispassionate and not resorting to name-calling. This guy is so smarmy and creepy.
Christians seem to forget that if they want the Bible in schools then they have to let every religion's Holy book in schools too.
Oh, they don't 'forget' the rights of other religions. In most cases, they directly deny them.
Persecution, in a modern American evangelical context, means "they won't let me impose my will on others"
@@markdoldon8852 Right. Because the definition of "persecution" is the situation where we fairly apply legal restrictions to Christians instead of unfairly excepting their activities.
I'm assuming you mean "taught", not "the books about them not being vaporised on sight", case in which, no. Not every religion is worth mentioning, either for it being phased out, or fringe.
I went to a Christian high school and at one point I went to my religious studies teacher and told them that if I had to write a paper on another world religion (Mormonism in this case), then that religion’s holy book should be available to me. As should unbiased literature about them, because I could not check the resources available in the school library against the source.
They vehemently disagreed. So I organized my friends to all go to the Church of Jesus Christ of later day Saints website to request free Books of Mormon be sent to the school 😅 idk if it worked, but I like to imagine it did.
They only would if they cared about being fair or consistent. And they don't.
"I am treated as evil by people who claim they are being oppressed because they are not allowed to force me to practice what they do." ~~ Dale Gulledge
I see that quote everywhere but I can never find the source. Makes me think it was made up.
@@DonHall666 "Makes me think it was made up."
Like the old testament. People quote from it regularly but we have no idea who wrote it.
@@cnault3244 Yeah pretty much exactly like that. And we can presume that Mr. "Gulledge" lived recently, and look how hard it is to verify the authenticity. Now think about the state of affairs thousands of years ago. The oral stories, the second-hand written words, the language translations done until we got to English.
It's amazing to hear how much we can know from historians, but it's humbling to know how everything is weighed on a confidence scale, with absolute certainty being a mythical position to hold.
Naive acceptance of The Bible as truth is likely a result of childhood indoctrination or ignorance, but both are an argument to postpone teaching and also introduce world religions into the school curriculum so children can see how to take an objective look at the history and claims being made.
I feel this
@@cnault3244difference is though at least with the internet we have strong leads and resources to help us find who originally said it
Being called out for their bullshit is hardly being "Persecuted".
Disagreement is persecution. Not having absolute power is persecution.
This is huge in politics too.
@@ericvulgate the Venn diagram shows the politicians who claim persecution fall entirely within the circle of Christians who claim persecution.
@@ericvulgate Yeah, on all sides. You can't critique the far left without being -ist this or -phobe that in the least.
Or the far right where you're either a jew, a rhino, ect.
It's just extremists calling wolf other extremists so they look like the lesser of two evils.
Basically what I got from this is "we disagree, therefore we are being persecuted."
Having suffered at the hands of Christianity and Christians, I honestly wish they would suffer the same things they have done to me & those I love. I wish they could face the persecution they keep talking about, but I know they will never have to deal with the consequences of their cruelty.
I get that feel. Sometimes someone is advocating for really awful stuff and just... I wish they could live at the bottom of the world they are trying to create.
Chronic insomnia, general anxiety, major depression, CPTSD. Thanks Christianity.
This. I can barely take it sometimes.
I remember the Alberta homeschool association fiasco! I was in a secular homeschool group you came to chat in at the time. Years later the algorithm brought me to your channel and I’m so glad it did.
This is the first year my kids are headed to public school, my childhood in fundamentalism engrained in me a fear of public school that I had no actual experience with. So I homeschooled for years, not as a religious homeschooler, but the cause was still the same. Deconstructing and therapy has finally allowed me to stop being afraid and do what my kids actually need.
I'm so glad you're in a better place, Nim.
@@Paulogia I really appreciate how genuine you are in the comments
@Nim, welcome to your best life. We are proud of you.
It's a small world.
The Evangelical opposition to public schools came around the same time public schools became racially integrated. That's not a coincidence.
Todd “My jokes aren’t funny” Friel. The gift that keeps on giving.
*grift
*taking
scamming that keeps on scamming
"They won't let us do a theocracy! That's persecution!" Poor guys, the founding fathers really had it out for them, I guess.
These people are exactly like the founding fathers: racist, slaving rapists with the power to exert their will on an entire country.
And yes, they are slavers. What else can you call forcing a person to carry an unwanted fetus to term? You are forcing them to perform labor with their own body against their will. That's slavery, by any reasonable definition of the term.
Ah Richard, Richard, haven't you listened to Marge, Mr. Pillow, Mr. Copeland and Lauren?! Theocracy is what the founding fathers really had in mind!🤣🤣🤣
@@PaTrick-cf6ev Absolutely not. 🤣🤣😂😂
@@PaTrick-cf6ev hahaha i mean its the same people who think all the founding fathers were devout christians 😂😂
@@connorhart7597the founding fathers are not supreme beings or god, their will can be overthrown
“Stroking a lurid persecution fantasy” is now the title of my next prog rock album 🤘🏼
I’m a life long atheist in a faith based recovery program, I am sober 16 months now but feel a lot of judgment and scorn whenever anyone finds out about my lack of faith. Thank you Paulogia, you’re videos and your non aggressive approach to dealing with believers has been a source of hope and comfort ever since I found your channel, and you have helped me change my attitude towards believers as well. Thank you for all the work you put in.
Hey, if you don't know about him yet i recommend checking out TheraminTrees, he also isn't aggressive toward believers (as far as i remember at least) so you might like him too. Maybe you could start with his video "bending truth | how adults get indoctrinated".
I am literally surrounded by believers every day. Almost all of them are friendly, helpful, people. I don’t feel like they are hurting me but I do find myself tiptoeing around most of the religious talk. I “came out” as an atheist the other day and the results have been bizarre and borderline harassment. The crazy thing is that I know they actually mean well. I have worked with these people for over a decade. Point I am making is that I relate a bit. You shouldn’t have to feel that way. I always tell myself that I believe or don’t because of the information I have. I refuse to take things on faith. I require evidence or even proof. Thats my nature. There is nothing wrong with me because of that. I am a sceptic. I don’t advocate for others to stop believing. Don’t beat yourself up because you don’t believe. Look at the history, look at the heroic people on both sides, and realize that both faith and a lack of it, have value.
@@thetypingape2073 I respect people who make a positive difference in lives of those around them regardless of whether they believe or not, what you do with your hands and feet is far more important to me than any opinion you may have, my issue is I’ve never been a Christian and I know the Bible and the history of the Church better than 80% of the people who won’t stop bringing up Jesus despite the fact we are supposed to not mention specific deities when we speak. If I let people I’m close to know I’m an atheist they start thinking I must be drinking because how could I possibly stay sober without God? I’ve heard that question and seen the concerned suspicious look on their face every single time I’ve revealed what I think. The absolute certainty which these folks have in their opinion, combined with the fallacious and outright magical thinking that gets them there in combination with their aggressive attitude towards alternative views is what makes it so difficult for me. The program works for me, I am in the middle of the most painful, stressful, emotionally taxing experience of my life and I’m sober, but what works for me are all the things that members tell new comers don’t actually work and it is really taxing to be at a 10 for pain and have to hear so much damn nonsense all the time.
@@scottpeugh7066 Belief gives many people comfort. I can’t see it that way because I don’t believe. They often want affirmation in everyone else about things they don’t really comprehend in order to have security. This allows elements of tribalism. When you express a position that is not the same, you are not part of the tribe. Its really that simple most of the time. Which is a shame, but it is true. That doesn’t make them bad, it makes them ignorant, irrational, and unsophisticated. It also gives them a measure of unity. However, it should be understood that those that believe have no choice in the matter just as I have no choice but to not believe. We are at the mercy of our preconceptions and can no more easily change that position than we can our eyes, maybe even more so with belief. That may all sound like a bunch of “hermit on a mountaintop: Hi! How do you do?” The thing is, it helps to understand the perspectives a bit I think. Thats the trouble is that people forget they are not ideas, they are people, and other people are people with their own ideas. No sense in us all being at each others throats over this stuff really, won’t help anything.
@@thetypingape2073 Unity is a huge deal in the program, which I respect and agree is a good thing. What you said about tribalism resonants with me, maybe it’s just the unity of the group morphed into tribalism in individual members, that I can understand and though it sucks I can understand the impulse. I’m probably already sensitive because I’m also politically left in the most conservative area of my state and thought we are not supposed to bring up politics at all, and I don’t, the old white men in the room sometimes can’t help themselves. If I had a dollar for every time a guy walked into a meeting wearing a Let’s Go Brandon shirt I’d have enough money to be able to afford to move somewhere more rational.
When you are used to superiority, equality feels like oppression.
For Christians, feeling that they are being persecuted is vital. Their holy book tells them that persecution is the precursor to the rapture when they all get to join God in Heaven. If they are not being persecuted the second coming is still a long way off.
All I can say is wow. Todd is literally teaching people how to victimize themselves and their children. WTF is wrong with this guy? I understand the persecution complex of Christianity as a former Christian, but even still it boggles my mind with how absurd it is. It's like some sort of mental self-flagellation.
In his defense, he does brand himself as Wretched(tm).
Come on now it’s now the thing to be a victim in this society now.
His show is titled Wretched and the wat he dresses and speaks you expect him to be a sub Jerry Springer type. He is but, he's also a preacher.
I'm a nonbeliever, but most of my relatives are Christian. One Christian woman in my family sounds happy when she feels persecuted. I think it's absurd to "take one on the chin" for a god that is supposedly omnipotent. He needs help from no one, if that's the case. Not that he's real, of course!
As for Todd, I guess it's anything for a buck these days. I don't know about him specifically, but not every believer is a true believer. Thankfully, there is the Clergy Project for pastors and the like who've lost their faith to find some sort of support.
Believers & Apologists: "I'm so persecuted" .... also them: "Buy my book, take our e-seminar, like comment and subscribe since I'm privileged enough to publish, and sell!"
That’s what sinner’s say. btw sinners also drink B&B so
and don't forget there is a church on every corner and someone saying god bless you every five seconds.
@@HarryNicNicholas about 40 years ago I heard one too many “praise the Lord!“. I haven’t been around those weirdos since and I am so much better for it.
I don’t get to force my beliefs on others! Stop persecuting me!
What seems lost on apologists is their demand that being 'religious' warrants special entitlement in the public sphere *IS* the persecution... a lesson which would be obvious to US Christians living in countries where a different religion is mandated the official one.
When you are a Christian, particularly in US, equal treatment feels like persecution. When you are used to entitlement everything that does not go exactly how you would like it to feels like persecution.
@@andystokes8702
“Advanced Pedestalism”.
Nice quote did "you" have anything you wanted to add yourself??
@@Lamster66 I'm sorry, I have no idea what advanced pedastlism is or why you placed it in quotation marks.
@@andystokes8702
You cant spell it either despite it being written infront of you!
The quote marks are because, you guessed it. It's a quote.
Not yours, but then it doesn't have to be.
“Advanced Pedestalism”. is an imaginary condition invented by the originator of the contextual concept of your post that should have been in quote marks because it's a paraphrase of the words of someone else.
incase you don't get it let me break it down
Advanced is being used to mean "Well developed" in the same way as one might use "Chronic".
Pedestalism. is taking the word Pedestal (A raised Platform) and adding the suffix "ism" (excess or addiction)
in otherwords a short version of what you said!
@@Lamster66 Not sure how it is possible to either spell correctly or misspell a non-existent word. It does not appear in any online dictionary. It appears you have just made it up in which case spelling is entirely up for grabs. In any case, thank you for the English lesson, it was much appreciated.
Roman persecution against Christians was local and sporadic. Christians many of them would have lived their whole lives and never been hassled by the Roman authorities.
There was also this thing called treason (by the standards of the contemporary Roman legislation) when xtians of the day didn't acknowledge that some (not all) of the emperor's were _deified_ and to say otherwise or deny the "fact" was considered a crime. Princeps were also representative of the whole Rome and every Roman that more often than not prevented the Roman empire falling apart, so denying that divinity was reprehensible to the very least.
As far as I have understood, if early xtian churches just kept the small altar dedicated to the imperial cult in one corner of the church that was usually more than enough of veneration expected from them.
P.s. I'm not a historian nor did I fact checked what I wrote but relied on my recollection of something once (or twice) read and my personal "makes sense to me" logic 😀
@@realtsarbomba
Indeed.
Decius wasn't particularly hostile to Christians but he demanded everyone sacrifice to The Divi (the deceased *good* emperors) as a way of shoring up a state in danger of collapse.
There was some debate among Christians about how to respond.
Todd's cadence is akin to a smarmy used car salesman
That's because he's a used god salesman!
Definitely has that infomercial host energy going for him. ; )
@@taylorlibby7642 But wait, there's more bullshit!
The only one worse is William Lane Craig.🤮🤮🤮
@@archapmangcmg Nice, now I’m dead.🤣
So, "I don't like people arguing with me about how they have a different opinion even though I'm the majority. That right should only be mine because I'm the majority. Oh, and because they're wrong and I'm right. And when they do they're persecuting me, but when I do it as the majority it isn't persecution".
Got it.
"It's okay when my team does it." That mentality is evidently fundamental to Humanity - people in general have a harder time pointing out hypocrisy in the groups they identify with, let alone *recognizing* it. Christians are more obvious because they're encouraged by their belief that they are acting in righteousness (or on 'the right side of history', many ways to spin it), but it's literally anywhere you have an in-group out-group.
"People disagree with us and we cannot sue them over it - help, we are persecuted!" - evangelical mindset in a nutshell
@@dougt7580 in the phantasies of some radicals that may be true. But the ones I got to know wish no harm to outsiders... though they aren't hesitant to point out that I will go to hell if I do not follow their believes. They seriously think they do me a favour by talking to me like that. At least they only want the best for people, even if that best that they want is often... bizzare.
@@dougt7580 I heard such things from the Us aswell. Should have said that I live in europe where not even 1% of the population is evangelical (lots of protestants around here but almost all protestant mainline churches in germany are very very liberal and most who officialy belong to them do not attend or believe anything) but I attended of of their private school (i never was one of them tough, neither on paper nor in spirit)and they are realy the most mundane people you can imagine outside of their quirky belief. They are apolitical (other than american evangelicals I think) and most of them are normal middle-class people who live very normal lives and hold normal views on most topics that are not touched by their believes. Most people in my country don't even know they exist and those who do see them and poor fools to make fun of. That condesention however gives them reason to complain about bein persecuted which they sometimes do, but not realy that often. Except for the Usual complaints about evolution being tought in schools and abortion being socially acceptable, they never realy oppose anything openly and make no trouble.
@@dougt7580 it does. It does absolutly. And yes it is an ideology but In my experience, most who believe it acctually don't care about the "lore" of the faith but are in it for the fun and the "good feeling" that the community gives them. I grew up catholic. Tradcath acctually and that was a very dry faith. When I came to those evangelicals, I was suprised how shallow their faith and in particular their daily practise was (because there realy wasn't one) and so I realized pretty quickly: This is just a bunch of people who cannot bear the hardships of life and use their Jesus-stuff (their emotional music, services, prayers) to soothe themselves. Ask one of them to define the trinity correctly, they wont be able to. How can they call themselves followers of a faith when they do not know and do not care to study it's tenets, dogmas and theology? They do it because it is acctually not about practising a faith, it is about an emotional scam. The tradcaths were horrible people with a horrible belief. But at least you knew they were in it with there whole heart and mind, were willing to dedicate a life of suffering and often hard service to a cause they deemed to be higher then themselves and even though that is a terrible way to life, it deserves some respect for being ... "coherent" if you get what I mean. But not that sensless hopping around that you will get in an evangelical service.
@@democracytherepublic5451 thanks for the reply. The central part of the US where I live has only a small percentage of evangelical Christians, but they wield an outsize amount of political power. They have also made friends with the hard-line conservative Catholics and they both use that to their advantage to mobilize their voter blocks.
I am certainly grateful that at least at this point I don't fear for my life for being outed as an atheist. But I work as a professional engineer and fear job reprisals should my conservative Catholic manager find out my beliefs or lack thereof.
@@dougt7580 This is outrageous. If that would happen in europe, there would be a national scandal and weeks of public debates in parliament about how to minimize the power of the church and how to keep people from falling for extremism. Even uttering an opinion such as "I am a practising catholic" will get you social weird looks here. That is of course the other extreme sometimes but I am always realy shocked how backwards the so called land of the free and home of the brave is. Nothing against US citizens who realy uphold these values but most who talk about them in the US seem to be christian theocratists who use them to lure people in. I think it was Reagan who said: No american can be both an atheist and a patriot. And that was as recent as 50 years ago. This is unimaginable in europe. Completly. And I just do not get why in Europe so many people still think the US is the vanguard of western progress. It is not, at least not in politics. In tech and sience - maybe, but politicialy? No, never.
Persecute them? Its hard enough to keep from laughing in their face at them for their ignorance and gullibility.
@@thevulture5750 I know for certain that you cannot prove that he does as nobody has in over 2 millenia. That is why I do not believe that any such being exists.
@@thevulture5750 I have a question for your question. What God are we talking about?
Secondly, I'd say that one might reasonably say that they have enough evidence against a certain God concept to say that it doesnt exist. 100 % certainty is not something I think any one of us can get to tho.
@@thevulture5750 you can’t prove I don’t have a magic, invisible to everyone but me, intangible, robot that knows everything, can you? Do you assume I do? No? Well, I don’t assume there’s a god if you can’t prove it wither
@@thevulture5750 Do we need to know? After all the claim made by Christians is that God exists. That's a positive claim, so unless they prove it, why should anyone believe the claim?
We don't know if a God exists or not, but there's insufficient evidence for a God's existence (and it's actually demonstrable that the CHRISTIAN version of God is illogical and therefore can't exist), so, just like a claim about aliens building the Pyramids, we can disbelieve it on those grounds.
@@thevulture5750 Got anything Non-Fallacious? No, you don't. Therefore, it's safe to ignore your fallacious arguments.
Paulogia, that's silly. There are canonically *several* ways to Narnia. The wardrobe, the magic rings that let you transport through pools of water to different worlds, a train crash, stepping through a painting, etc. 😁
The absolute horror of easy divorce! So scary.
It sounds like he feels persecuted because his ability to persecute others is being curtailed.
So much persecution that my small, rural town has FIVE churches for 500 people. OMG persecution.
Edit: actually 6 churches but one Lutheran church shares their church to a Catholic Church. They do shared Christmas, Easter holiday masses.
Must be some pretty chill people living there. I was brought up evangelical Lutheran and I'm pretty sure they would have just as soon burned down the church before sharing it with Catholics.
@@DonHall666 Well they're _all_ being persecuted these days, it seems, so they have to bury the hatchet and band together.
@@DonHall666 well for being a super right wing conservative area, sure I guess chill unless you count my porch being fire bombed when I had an Obama hope sign up.
@@trishayamada807 Wow that's such an insane reaction to a minor exercise of your free speech. Just another reminder that the only actual difference between adults and children is appearances. Maturity and virtuousness are no guarantee, probably because it takes work to achieve them.
@@DonHall666 since that, we no longer place any ejection signage up. The sheriff said they couldn’t guarantee our safety. Growing up, I’d never have thought this would have ever happened. It’s still shocking to me. I’ve never felt the same about the USA.
Damn inflation rates! it should be titled “How to inflate 1 reason (if even) to 12 in a persecuted whiny tone”
_ThAnKs BiDeN!_
the 3500 christians burned at the stake is a pittance compared to the close to a million mostly women burned at the stake, drowned, hung, or just flat out murdered for being 'witches', which most were not.
Don't forget that most 20th century fascists were Christians, which means that Christians have murdered millions of human beings within the last century.
Lol most??? Did some weigh as much as a duck 🦆??
I get so enraged at the misuse of Governor Northam's statements, as he was speaking from experience of practice obstetrics in the time before sonograms, when many nonviable fetuses were delivered because there was no way to know something was wrong. The scenario he described actually happened to our neighbors, whose daughter faced the nightmare of delivering a fetus that had a neural tube defect so severe all the organs had developed outside the body. There is no hope for such a creature, and all they could do was wait for it to die. It was a nightmare, but the same people who claim there's no morality without their religion turn around and call those people "baby killers." It's sick.
27:30 I like that he cites Polycarp. A man who in the same letters admits he had never seen the gospels , as admitted in the first sentence of chapter 12.
Watching this: "Wait, is he going to speak out against violence? Is he going to advocate for gun control?" Then, "Oh, no, he's against PRETEND violence, I see." Does he... like... not know that gladiatorial contests were... REAL violence? Does he not know the difference between real and pretend?
"Daddy, how do I prepare for persecution?"
"Just remember, Timmy, to praise God while you're burning at the stake. Also never stop complaining when the government lets two men kiss!"
Great video, Paul. I like that I can also see Shannon’s psychological fingerprints in some of your new scripts. It’s so cool to see two of my favorite atheists collaborating both professionally and personally! 🥰❤️
Totally agree!
It's interesting that they see the acts of not believing them and not letting them persecute others as BEING persecuted.
"Isn't it funny how nothing ever changes." ...Except for that brief period from 311 to (according to Todd) 2012 CE where professing a belief in Christ was more or less mandatory in order to become a first-class citizen in the Western world. I'm certain that Todd is aware that Christians (though not Todd's sort of Christians) have occupied the city of Rome and borne the remnants of Roman culture for quite some time.
If they really were being unfairly persecuted, they wouldn't be able to freely talk about it with no fear of consequence. Like, think about the anti-war sentiment within russia and how that is being suppressed. That is persecution right there, those people are facing actual consequences for speaking up, some atheist cussing at you on twitter just isn't the same.
Communists in America are heavily persecuted, and our government has overthrown or tried to overthrow every attempt at communism that has been made. In a lot of ways, America is responsible for Putin; if we hadn't been letting corporate America use our military to protect capitalism from the will of the people, the USSR would still be thriving.
I know Todd Friel will never read this. Back in '04, I started listening to him in MN on Talk the Walk, the Way of the Master, then he moved to Atlanta for Wretched. In the last two years I have had to unlearn every motif of his and what's his nuts...Zealand McNugget... Anyway, I realized that both of them use fallacy to create battlements around their personal arguments that aren't supported by argumentation. What's more is they don't care, like at all, almost to the point of less than zero caring where it becomes hyperbolic and impossible.
Friel doesn't listen to criticism, even this, because this IS his work, to talk, and to continue talking, even if there is nothing to talk about. When I listened to him, his methods equipped me for nothing in the real world. There were so many, many ways to nullify his arguments, when tryna "evangelize" that it left me embarrassed. This here, this 12 ways synopsis is soooooooo old and trite. It's been done FOREVER. "We are in the last days." (since AD 35 and every year since, and I mean literally). But, I get it. This is how Todd Friel and family get paid. It seems far easier to do Wretched than something else. I don't know, lots of memories and wasted time; kinda resentful and I am happy now studying logic, the history of thought, and how we got to these ways. Thanks. Keep up the good work Paul in New Scotland.
I don't get how people can handle his dramatic pauses and emphasizing of words, it feels so condescending.
Sucks to have wasted time with these conmen, still freedom is sweet and it’s never too late to enjoy it. I’ve heard stories of former Jehovah witnesses that have left that nasty cult late in life and, however sad for what they lost, they are still happy to live their last years free from the yoke.
I'm guessing you mean his Buddy Ray Comfort by Zealand Mcnuggets, yep their whole hustle is finding a gullible person to interview on the street, ask them a seriies of misleading questions, fallacies and mined quotations, keep talking and do most of the talking if the other person starts to catch on keep moving the goalposts, subtly insult them by convincing them their views are foolish and they're pretending God's not real because they want to sin. Then when you're done berating them gaslight them a bunch of sh*t about how you're only preaching at them like this cause you "love them".
So people don't all do what we say they should = persecution
And I actually believe he does FEEL attacked. However didn't they say something with facts and feelings?
When you're afraid of your own shadow like these people are, every hint of disagreement feels like an attack and they think they have the right to do anything and everything to force people to comply.
@@antonioscendrategattico2302 when you are used to rule equality feels like persecution.
Christians used to burn people who didn’t conform to their particular religious requirements. It’s hard on them not being able to literally cancel 😉 dissenters anymore.
Let's see....in Kansas we didn't kick around any cellphones...we just voted on August 2nd
Excellent work Paul, been following your channel for a bit over a year now. I’m also a former Christian/Catholic, now a Buddhist. Both when I was a Christian and now I did not want religion in public schools outside of world history classes (so really I didn’t want theology but I know you get my point) Oddly my first job was teaching at a private Catholic school, this job came after my Deconversion from Catholicism. My close friends and at that point my wife asked how I would deal with the day in and day out of teaching scripture despite not believing it. I always said it never bothered me in the least because I knew what the school stood for before my job interview and the families paid for a Catholic education of their kids, my job was to teach in accordance with the Church but at no point was I ever tested for scrutinized on my belief.
I would say the same to evangelicals, you KNOW that no religion is taught in public schools yet you decide to send your kids and demand that everyone else bow to your demands when you have no right to. And there’s a million alternatives available including Christian schooling. This ranting of a lack of God in the public schools always seemed like a combination of laziness and theocrats to me. Nobody will stop you from raising your kids in any tradition you like but you can’t force it on the rest of us
Catholicism is not christianity, its Roman Paganism.
And any Jew that follows the Talmud is no true Jew.
I enjoyed reading this, thanks for sharing.
As for my own contribution, I would say that a significant reason why more religious people don't do religious education is because it's generally seen as more expensive. From my understanding, it actually *is* more expensive than public schooling. Christians would definitely do it more often if they could afford it, but it's an additional expense that many cannot.
I grew up Christian and my parents struggled to pay for lunch money sometimes, let alone sending me to a "proper Christian school", not to mention the distance from home it would be.
Isn't it ironic that abortions, teen pregnancy, incest, rape, murder, and violent crimes are statically greater in the more religious states in the US as well as in the more religious regions on the world (doesn't matter which fictional character the pretend to worship).
It spet of proves the point that a measure of a (hu)man is in actions not in their words.
I can answer Friel's question: ancient Christian got persecuted by Romans because they'd disturb Roman religious practices and being nuisances. Lesson not learned.
And committing acts of terrorism like destroying the temple of Serapis.
Even if they were extremely persecuted then for no reason (which they weren't) it would have no effect on now.
Funny how the same people who will say "why don't black people just get over slavery it's been over 200 years!!" will cry about something that happened thousands of years ago
The Roman Pantheons have literally all the problems you could raise with Christianity though. Don't like Infinite punishment for thought crimes? You'd have a lot of disagreements with a follower of Hades. Don't like smug pseudo intellectual apologetics? Well a follower of Athena wouldn't like you either. Don't like the inconsistency between love and eternal damnation? Well a follower of Aphrodite would disagree with you on that point.
This imaginary persecution is ridiculous. But it's also dangerous. There seems to be little reason for these people not to lash out violently in "self defense".
you never heard about how Nero stole the hats of all the Christians before he threw them to the lions?
I must have missed it.
I literally lost my drink out of my nose laughing. 🤣
They must’ve been red trucker hats… With English letters on them… It really confused the heck out of them “what the hell is MAGA?”.
Come see the violence inherent in the system....
Help, help, I'm being oppressed....
Listen, if I went around sayin I was an emperor cuz some moistened bing lobbed a scimitar at my head, they’d put me away
I saw a UA-cam video of Todd Friel and some other Evangelical talking about how Nelson Mandela was a terrorist etc., who was treated mercifully and so on and so forth. It was quite revealing about Mr. Friel and his friend. They both felt so smug and superior to Nelson Mandela. That is how they dealt with someone who was actually persecuted. Whatever.
My pops a limo driver in our small consevative town actually drove George Carlin to and from the show...most comics stick around and do meet and greets or maybe BS with the stage crew, well Carlin tells my dad hey its great you'll be watching the show but I need you to be ready with the car to get out of here, these small towns don't like my humor and get real angry sometimes. Carlin says I'll tell this joke and that will be your queue to go ahead and start up the car cause it can get real ugly real quick and we need to hightail it. Now we put the shoe on the other foot someone billed as a Christian comic would probably have a pray circle with his audience after the show, so who's really persecuted in their own country?
"They're only words." -George Carlin
What an amazing anecdote. Thank you for sharing!
What was the joke?
I love the smarmy religious ads that subsidize my favorite atheist content!!😁
"Help help! I'm being persecuted by these people doing things I don't like! They persecute me by not listening to me and agreeing with my beliefs! The persecution! Ohh the persecution!"
In it's infancy (Christianity) persecution might have been unjustified. But now, with hundreds of year of actual evidence it's no longer persecution, it's self defense.
It's just glorified whining. They were never persecuted and aren't now.
@@XboxxxGuyI think never is a Hell of a stretch. Look at the Middle East, USSR, and Nazi Germany. We have clear examples of Christians being martyred for their faith and even though I don't share their faith I still hold up a great many of them as heroes because they usually did it to help others.
Nicely and precisely dealt with. The truth hurts truthfully
Love your videos dude Keep up the good work.
Appreciate it!
"I don't want to have to ask any of you heathens for your input when I make the rules!"
I'm curious, if Christians always have been so against violence, what then was the witch burnings, the crusades or heck the wars in the bible?
Or the wars outside the bible where Christians fought.
@Wolf-dog Cat-dog 2.0 the people in the bible weren't really Christians? What about God's genocides then?
@Wolf-dog Cat-dog 2.0 I meant more in regards to Christians always being against violence
Tbf, the Crusades were pretty based
@@northseapirate2313 not really sure what your comment means but if you mean that they were a good thing, does that include how the crusaders got too the "holy land" too?
Re: violence, In high school I was an atheist kid with a subset of friends who were Christian. When I got together with this particular bunch to pick movies to rent (back in the heyday of VHS) they avoided anything with a hint of sex/nudity like the plague, but they would happily eat up Rambo or similarly violent fare as long as it was portrayed as at least semi-righteous. So yeah, I call BS on that "Reason' (others given here too, but especially that one.)
I love Todd. He's the perfect example of a gas-lighter with no substance.
He says Christians are going to be persecuted but throughout the video fails to demonstrate how. While Christians were persecuted in the past to varying degrees, I don't really care when we look at how Christians persecuted others while they had power and majority rule. I said it before and I'll say it again: The only reason Christians are so moderate in their beliefs now is because they don't have the power to fully follow the dogma anymore.
So Todd goes on about abortion and then... nothing comes of it. He doesn't like abortions. That's nice for him. However, I don't see why his personal tastes and opinions should be written into law and enforced for literally every person in the country to follow. If you don't like abortions, don't get one. If you want an abortion, you should have the ability to get one. Why this is such a difficult concept in America is beyond me. I'd also like to point out how this religious faith believes in a God who commonly went on murderous tantrums in the past but that only brings us to his next point.
Infanticide. Anyone who knows anything about Christian faith knows this is a load of horse shit. God commits genocide on the whole planet, including children and unborn fetuses, has killed swathes of children before in a fit of rage, but all of that is forgiven because we live in 2022 and we need to be better. Better than the omnipotent all-knowing creator of time, space, matter, and any and all life that has and will ever exist. Because reasons. Fuck off, Todd.
His third point is violence and at this point I just couldn't stand it anymore. The Bible venerates glorious battles where the "chosen people" triumphed over their aggressors. Or not, sometimes the chosen people were the aggressors. Sometimes God would intervene to make sure they won. Sometimes God would do it himself via proxy like plague, famine, or... fucking rocks falling from the sky. Dude even broke the laws of physics by preventing the Earth from spinning and not instantly killing all the people on Earth. This religion is just as rooted in violence as Islam. Only difference is Muslims don't pretend it isn't.
I'm sure Todd's fans get really emotionally charged and invested over his fanatical points but it doesn't take a lot of brain cells to figure out why his reasons are stupid It would probably take fewer brain cells to realize the hypocrisy that a religion known for the greatest period of "stupid" in human history is crying about being persecuted in 2022 America. Grab a rope, asshole.
The reason for why the abortion discussion is so hard is because its not as simple as you're making it out to be with this "people just dont personally like abortions but cant accept that others do like them". This is a disagreement about whether innocent children are being murdered or not.
@@Greyz174 The operable word being "children". Is a fetus a child? By definition it is not. The definition of murder also does not include a fetus.
So, it really is that simple. You should probably stop over complicating it.
@@Israphel776 pedantry always clears things up doesnt it
@@Greyz174 I'm not sure what your problem is. Words have meanings. The definitions of these words don't mean what you think they do.
Sort of like how killing an insect in your backyard isn't considered murder because it doesn't include insects, abortion is also, by definition, not murder. If you wanted to argue late-term abortions, that'd be an entirely different story. However, I believe that was also a contested topic before the SCOTUS backtrack.
@@Israphel776 killing a fetus is more like killing a child than killing an insect. I get that it was a loose analogy to make a point about applying definitions, but i just want to stress how different that is so people dont get their wires crosses and move a fetus closer to an insect
Words have meanings yes but "well actually its not murder because it doesnt fit the technical definition of a child even though a pregnant couple is obviously going to refer to it with the same general type sentiments and emotional connection to their child and ita pretty much the same type of thing" is pedantic
What I thought was interesting is that he made one of his points about poverty and education, but didn’t defend the biblical position of rejection of wealth and worldly goods. Why isn’t he advocating for Christians, especially the extremely wealthy, like televangelists, to give away all their money to the poor, and saying that capitalism oppressed the Christian by forcing them (as it does everyone) to operate under a system of money and wealth, preventing them from truly seeking God, free of those worries?
Seems like that would be the more Christian thing to defend. But I guess those he doesn’t want to fight against, because he benefits a lot from that system.
Very few turkeys are ever likely to vote for Christmas.
@@andystokes8702 the true War on Christmas hasn’t even begun! Christians have no idea what’s coming once the Turkey Revolution starts ✊🦃
Todd Friel reminds me of the earliest movie actors who didn't realize that stage acting techniques came across as fake on film. Everything about his presentation screams fake.
Another well-structured video packed with information and analysis for just over half an hour.
I really enjoy Paul's penitence☺
"Our ancestors did not endorse infanticide."
I think we all know several answers to that one ... before we get out of Genesis.
I suspect there's still an education divide between the clergy and laity. I know when I was a JW, the Governing Body actively told witnesses not to go to college but to take jobs like window cleaning so they could preach more. I did a Biology degree because something seemed a bit off with what they'd be teaching me.
"The fool hath said in his heart .."
"Fool" is from the Hebrew rendered "nabal," and "often refers to an impious person who has no perception of ethical or religious truth." [1]
Logically, it does not follow that even if the verse means that every nabal says there is no god, ie are atheists, that therefore all atheists are nabal.
Formal: All X are Y does not entail all Y are X.
[1] "What is the meaning of, “The fool says in his heart, ‘There is no God’” (Psalm 14:1; 53:1)?" GotQuestions.
7. Exclusivity. Todd makes it sound like all Christians held the exclusivity of Jesus view, but they didn't. There has been no time when all Christians have been Trinitarians. Some hold God and Jesus are separate entities. God gets exclusive worship. Jesus is The Way [tm].
Do we know that Nero accused the Christians, and if we do, do we know it's false? Christians had a little cottage industry going of Apocalyptic writing in poorly disguised forms calling for the destruction of Rome by fire, then it caught fire. You could argue that was incitement to an act of terror. What we've {hopefully} learned is that you can't hold an entire group responsible automatically if a few fringe members commit an atrocity, unless it's the group pushing it and endorsing it.
I'd start with asking this clown, "How many infants died in the Flood, do you think? Just approximately?" (Edit: Whoops, Paul got there before me...)
@@petercoo9177 Not to mention all the "heathen" babies that were murdered by Crusaders, conquistadors and 20th century fascists.
Honestly, I can kind of get there might be situations folks like Todd could feel persecuted.
Preaching the Earth is 6 thousand years old, could well get some jeering and mockery.
Not exactly burning at the stake mind you, but having your treasured ideas mocked, has to sting a bit.
Of course then we'd have to remember that if persecution has a bar that low, Christians like Todd have no problems in persecuting others like atheists.
I really just laughed out loud when he started with abortion. It is so ridiculous
Christians started persecuting non-Christians almost as soon as Constantine legalized Christianity, even before Theodosius made Christianity the official religion of the empire.
Yep. Burning libraries, toppling statues, mob violence against university students and teachers. Sound familiar?
It seems just that he’s saying persecution is just not having absolute power.
If Abortion and Divorce are legal at all, if Pluralism is defended, if anyone is able to criticize Christians or Christianity, and if schools don’t exclusively teach Christianity, it’s all persecution.
Bingo! "People aren't letting me boss them around anymore! Waaaaa!"
Early Christians were persecuted because a different religion held political power. Given that Christians, who presently hold the majority political power in the USA, have declared that theocracy is their goal, they intend to become the persecutors.
This isn't about religious liberty. It's about transfer of power.
My man! You are a blessing for those who have deconverted ,or thinking about it . You are a unique and rare individual, thank you. 🤘
My reaction to Todd is the same one would have at finding gum stuck to one's chair, or witnessing someone picking their nose in public. That is: to cringe, turn away, and try to forget what I saw.
If you're not being persecuted for your Christian beliefs you're doing it wrong. - Jesus
Thank you Mr Paulogia.
I... I really didn't need an association between Todd Friel and lurid stroking...
Lately I’ve been thinking about an idea for a movie. Focused on a person and or family loosing their religion. A desperate group, perhaps still believing in Odin while the rest are Christian. Just where the individuals hate, ignorance, and self inflicted inbreeding flail about and break for the audience to see. Then a modern Christian family loosing their religion, flailing about in hate, and just breaking for the audience to see. I know many people don’t change religions or beliefs like this, But I am from south Texas. And I can tell you without doubt, some people would snap and go crazy if they thought god was not real. I have seen it, I have been told to my face, how if he thought god was not real he’d be a murdering rapist…
"When you are ridiculed for your beliefs, just rejoyce in the knowledge that when you are dead, no one will remember how stupid you were."
Religious people soo want to believe, that they will not look at the whole picture. Instad they focus and stare at what makes them feel good.
When there is no evidence, belief becomes a choice, grounded in fears and desires.
I appreciate Paul’s calm refutations… especially here when every time this guy says “Guess what?” I want to reply “chicken butt!” … and I’m Gen X! 😂
“They will close the net around us, as we are playing, condemn you to eternal torment because you think differently.”
He really does live in his own little world, doesn't he?
I was talking to a Christian friend during lunch at work. I’m agnostic/atheist which she knew. And one of the first things she said, unprompted was, ‘ You know Christian’s are the most persecuted group in the world’. I thought that was an odd thing to say out of the blue. I’d call it a persecution complex. I guess they figure talking contrary to them is equal to persecution. Anyway, with Christian Nationalism coming I think they’ll be doing the persecuting. America is not only a land of freedom of religion, but also Christian privilege.
I'd have asked what country has Christians locked up in reeducation camps like the Uyghurs in China.
In the Middle East and parts of Africa, yes Christians are killed, but that's hardly "the most in the world" nor are they the only people they go after
Thanks for the video :)
Todd's delivery is hilarious.
17:40 "The Romans lived in a world that celebrated whatever deity you wanted to worship." Gosh, Todd really gives away the game here. Is that really a problem? Sounds like Todd has a problem with freedom of religion.
To be fair though, they also expected citizens to accept the divinity of Caesar.
But yeah, the tales of persecution are greatly exaggerated.
Also Todd: "God lets people disbelieve because He respects their free will."
Even God wants these people to not worship Him so why the Hell are you trying to strong arm them into believing? Oh yeah because your ministry is funded by people who think you're actually doing something.
Religion is a choice.
Usually a crime.
I can't be the only one who heard him say "raisin" instead of "reason".
For those who can access it the BBC have an excellent edition of the series In Our Time on "Early Christian Martyrdom" available on BBC Sounds. Great background to the subject.
Can someone explain to me why they need to feel persecuted so bad?
Two reasons:
One, it makes them think the End Times are nearing.
Two, it makes them feel closer to Jesus as He was persecuted.
Gives them a feeling of solidarity and being the majority acting in solidarity they are in control.
Cause the doctrine says persecution proves them right and absence thereof wrong .
Heaven with these people sounds like hell
over 100k! Gratz!
Yes! Thank you!
@@Paulogia Thank YOU for the work you put into the content and video quality. it´s always a plearure to watch!
Thank you.
Also, wow, Alistair Begg. I used to go to Parkland way back when. Hearing that voice was a blast from the past.
I was basically an atheist by then though I didn't really have the framework to address it at the time. But you could say that Begg was the last preacher I ever saw as a "christian".
Sort of nostalgic in a "Gee, that sucked." sort of way.
Honestly, I think fundagelical Christians feel persecuted if they don't receive praise and approval whenever they announce their faith to the general public.
Yep. Nail on the head.