I have never been happier as a boat owner until recently with my purchase of a Suzuki df200ap and having a reliable and skilled dealer nearby. Quiet & efficient from the start and I am counting on reliability down the line. Agree with others that not having a Suzuki shop local to you could be a deciding factor. Good video.
I’ve been rigging boats for 35 years and when you compare outboards you have to throw in the weight of the outboard especially with today’s four strokes. I also like to throw in the rpm max limits and gear ratios. Other than these few things it was a good fair comparison. Appreciate it.
I have a 250ss suki. Love it, zero problems. I have one issue. I run flats boat (majek M2 22) at south padre island Tx. Water pickup is above prop level and water pressure drops on running skinny flats. Yamaha has lower water intake. Any fix for this? Aftermarket scoop pickup?
I've owned both, but I can't make a fair comparison since my Suzuki was OLD when I started with it. My current bay boat is Yamaha and I love it for reliability. It gets me to my fishing spot and gets me home every time. On the Chesapeake, that's the #1 priority. You lose an engine out here, your drift puts you somewhere in Europe a month later.
I appreciate your reviews. Even if there is a slight bias toward Suzuki, I believe it is totally warranted. I bought a boat with twin 150 Etecs, and though they are good (start as soon as you turn the key, and that was after 4 months of sitting), I would still like to repower with Suzuki. The only reason I haven't done so yet is because I want a bigger boat, which will require more power.
Thanks for the VERY enjoyable comparison between the 2 best 4 stroke motors out. I went with the Yamaha Sho but if I had any hiccups in getting one I would have gladly put the Ss Suzuki on my new boat forsure. Got the 115 sho and might upgrade to 150 sho or ss in near future.
Hey. I live up here in northern Canada and have only a honda and merc dealer. I boat in remote areas where you can be 4-6 hours away from the dock. Which 225 motor would never let you down??? Get you home every time? Thks
Hello Andy .Thank you for the Informative and Entertaining video. I currently run a 90 Evinrude 200 XP on my 91 STRATOS 201 Pro Elite Dual Console. Runs like a Champ But , I would like to Run a New Suzuki SS on my STRATOS but , Unfortunately At this time Suzuki Doesn't make a V-6 200 Or 225 SS. I don't know if my STRATOS would handle the Suzuki 250 SS ? Anyway Great Brand Battle. Keep them coming 👍
I am probably going to re-power my 17ft aluminum Triton. I currently have a 50 HP Mercury 2stroke. I wish Suzuki made a 75 HP cause I would go straight to that. Which would you say get as far as power (Hole shot/Top end) and reliability: Suzuki 70hp or Yamaha 75hp?
QUESTION: You refer to how many problems you see vs. the other; a simple comparison. HOWEVER; if YAMMY is selling 10 times the amount of units, the ratio would still be lower if you measure problem per 100 units. Does that make sense?
@@Deltadawg660 we go off of what we see in our shop and Yamaha doesn’t have 10x the units vs the other brands around here. The Suzuki’s that we have running in our area simply do not have very many issues at all. There are more Yamaha’s and Merc’s in total but once a Suzuki goes on and out the door you usually never see that customer again until it’s oil change and winterize time. You see the other guys for different unrelated issues all of the time. Merc guys FAR more than Yamaha. You do have a good point and great question
Based on what I've heard from salt guys, guys running them now and what I've seen you guys talk about and list price, my next boat will probably have a Suzuki on it
I’ve had experience with both brands and honestly can’t go wrong with either in my opinion. I’ve had low and high pressure fuel pumps go out in the Suzuki granted I had that motor for 13 years but nothing yet on the Yamaha. I will have to say the torque I get from the sho is crazy good. I have a 18 ft G3 bay with a 90 sho and have found the perfect prop. I’m getting 47mph from a Powertech 19 pitch 3 blade prop and that’s impressive! Have you guys experimented with that brand yet? And I’m wondering if I could hit 50mph with a jack plate?
Good point about the lithium batteries. I’m running an Ionic 125 Lithium battery on my 250SS and had zero issues with charging the battery while running 4 12 inch graphs. However, I will randomly get some fault codes that don’t correspond to anything specific and quickly clear once started. But I had the same issue when running a group 31 AGM as well.
Let's see a brand battle between the Mercury 250 Pro XS V8 four stroke and Suzuki 250 SS. Comparing the Charging System, Weight, Warranty, Extended Warranty Options, Dealer Network, Reliability and Price. If you decide to have this brand battle be honest. I know your a Suzuki shop and you have to keep them happy. Thanks!
How about the 4 trolling motors with electric steering and what they are capable of when paired with its own company electronics. Also what may work with motor guide tour ?
@@MrBash82 he already did one a year ago.. ua-cam.com/video/9o9Z9JiJQxQ/v-deo.html Maybe he can do a rematch Mercury 250 pro sx vs Suzuki 250ss battle number 2
How about one on the 150’s for us poor folks in tins. I’m leaning toward a 150 Suzuki after my experience with my fathers 60 horse. I’d hate to know how many stumps that motor has eat and still purrs like a kitten.
@@rogermoore3270 I’m in the same “boat”. I have zero desire for a $100k boat that I’m afraid to take to the lake because of possible damages.. the $40k tin rigs are bad enough..
we have Yamaha and Suzuki 150hp, 40hp, 75hp, 300hp, 225hp, 250hp, 400hp, 90hp, 200hp, 100hp, 115hp, all 4 stroke Let me know if you’re interested getting one for your boat
I've been waiting for this one. Great review! For long term reliability, Suzuki is the way to go. The styling on the new SHO looks great and is probably better for resale. These are the only two outboard brands I'd consider for a bass boat.
@@SME5724you know nothing l just traded my f 225 v6 4 stroke in after 20 years of good service only had 1 minor issue in 20 years l would say that is very reliable
I need some help with a boat order. Just ordered a 24’ shallow sport with a Suzuki 250SS TL3 the dealer offered me a new unsold Suzuki DF300 APL2 at the same price same 5yr warranty. What’s the better buy of the two?
You mentioned warranty. In your experience which brand best stands behind their warranty? 3 or 5 years don't mean squat if they don't take care of thier customers when a warranty issue arises.
Since the SHO 200...225...and 250 are the same exact motor bolt to bolt.. except for the badging and the tune...I put the SHO 200 on my boat and had Nizpro come out and tune it. I now have 332 HP.. Works just fine.... OK so bash me about warranty .. No problem put original tune back in.. Besides.. Yamaha don't break as much these days..
Got a friend that has a charter business in Port St Joe Florida (inshore) and his Yamaha blew up within a month or so after his 3 year warranty ran out. Went out and bought a new Suzuki and has 0 regrets with it. Runs like a champ. If I were to buy a new boat I would request the Suzuki for sure.
I have a 23 250 SS on my 210 starcraft fishmaster Max throttle trimmed I'm at 5600rpm 46/47mph Have a 16" diameter 3 blade 18.5 pitch watergrip prop Any recommendations?
I haven't seen one single Suzuki outboard on Lake Guntersville yet when I'm out fishing. Maybe in a few more years. Do see more of them now down in Orange Beach/Gulf Shores area. But Yamaha is still by far and away the outboard of choice for that area also. I'm still running my '89 Merc 135 double smoker! Powerhead replaced in '06, so probably getting ready for a rebuild shortly. 😁
I have looked online and here on UA-cam for rigging options for a new suzuki df90a. It would be awesome if you could make a video on this. Love your videos, I find them clear and very informative. Thanks
When stock, none will give you more speed and torque than my AMERICAN MADE Mercury!!!! And when I finally get it back from the shop after the motor mount boats backing out of it with only 20 hours on the engine I’ll prove it!! 😂 For real though, Mercury got the speed and torque part down. My next boat will have a Yahama on it,
You say you done a lot more gear casings on the SHO vs the SS. Well that’s not really fair at all cause you don’t work on NEAR as many SS’s vs SHO’s. Suzuki biased I see and I’m sorry but the SLOWSUKI is 1990’s boring! There’s nothing to that motor so how can it look better?
We dont work on many SS gear cases because they do not break at the same rate the SHO's do. If you were to look at the size of the gears themselves and the prop shaft you'd understand. That's why they give up 1 or 2 mph to Merc and Yamaha but in reality you can fix that with propping and set up.
I want to see a 225 battle. Mainly because I have a 99 opti on my boat and I want a sho but I hear they have power head failure. 225 pro xs vs 225 sho vs 225 suzuki
@@TeamMarineService awesome thanks for taking time to give us ur truth n I’m getting people to subscribe daily ! I talked with someone who fishes n u come up in conversation lol
You forgot to mention dealer network and the fact the Yamaha 200-250 is a detuned 335hp motor and can easily be flashed for higher HP. Also, timing chain vs. timing belt.
Great video, but, I have gone to probably 20-30 dealerships and have yet to see one that sells Suzuki. So for service, most will be hard pressed to find a dealer. Yamaha is has many more, something that IMHO is more important that aesthetics.
@@smallmouthcity Suzuki is not more reliable than Yamaha my last Yamaha f 225 v6 4 stroke did 20 years of offshore fishing and was still running fine you can't get any more reliable than that
I've tried calling twice and left messages. Trying get prices on a new 225 or 250 Suzuki for my Champ. Yet to get a call back. Kinda ironic after watching all of Andy's boat reviews, don't ya think 🤔
Off subject outside realm of another awesome over/under. Watch them all at least once. Lol. . So my question is. Would injectors dirty cause 07 mercury pro xs 250 to start climbing outta the hole slower ? Runs great good compression and all but I can tell a big difference. No prop changes either. Input shaft good. No. Play. I also heard possibly needing to adjust the WOT. But I can’t find exactly what that should be. Seems folks have different opinions. Any idea on where I could look. I like fixing my own so I can become as familiar as possible with the motor. Thanks again. You guys rock.
I’ve heard from several Marinas that Suzuki not only doesn’t cover warranty but blames the customer for all motor issue to not have to pay for the repairs. Yamaha on the other covers everything even when it’s the customer’s fault. One owner said Yamaha covers a bent shaft even though the customer ran aground. A guarantee is only as good as the company willing to back. “If you want me to take a shit in a box and stamp it “guaranteed” I will. I’ve got spare time!”
@@mediaspeedfilms1334 We agree with ya. It seems like they only care about the high dollar offshore crowd these days and are leaving us freshwater guys out to dry with this new unreliable motor.
Mercury will never be in trouble when it come to competition with Suzuki. Yamaha and Mercury spend more in R&D annually than Suzuki generates in annual sales. The outboard marine market is very competitive and Suzuki has VERY small US market share compared to Yamaha and Mercury. That's facts!
Hi, I alredy have Suzuki df20, i had a lot of thinhs in my mind what i have to choice and... first - in the same money Suzuki is on efi, Yamaha on normal carbulator, thanks for movie and showed if everybody pay only for brand not for quality ::D
SHO for the win. But if you want to go slow, don't buy the SHO. 250 SHO has more horsepower than the Suzuki, and a better gear ratio(1.75) in the lower. Might I add that the new Suzuki looks outdated. Keeping it real.
@@TeamMarineService Can the Suzuki 250SS ECU be flashed? Any 200, 225, 250 SHO ECU can be flashed to make an estimated 320-330 hp. for only $700.00 more. That, sir, is the elephant in the room.
So the sho isn't 250hp? He had to add some extra comps to get the yummy a couple marks because it was behind the zuke.. I have twin 225 yammys now one my triton and im not expressed. I wish I had zukes, ive had several zuks with great experiences.
How many people comment stuff like “just got my Suzukis and love them, or 100 hours and I love them, Etc.. The REALITY is that come back at 400 hours, or higher, and see. Those Yamahas are WAY more dependable. And virtually ANYWHERE you go you will have a Yamaha service center, and you will be trying to find someone to work on Suzuki’s. Also, in the resale market, (and everybody eventually finds themselves here, come on you know) the Suzuki’s KILL the resale value of your boat. So this is not to say that Suzukis are a POS, they aren’t, but you have to be real. The little bit of money you may save in the beginning…there’s a reason for that, it will come back and haunt you on the resale market. Think.
Ugh. Looking at ordering a new rig, and have no freaking idea which motor to run. Merc dealers everywhere... yamaha has the speed... zuki has the reliability. WHY CAN'T SUZUKI BE FAST!?
In reality (when prop'd correctly) the Zuk will only be AT MOST 2 or so mph slower then the Merc. It all depends on the boat too. A Zuk on a loaded Gambler will smoke a loaded Nitro or Ranger with Mercs to that fishing hole any day of the week.
@@TeamMarineService I'm looking to order a blazer 625 and bring her to the north woods... I honestly want the new sho, but don't want to wait a year for it... the suzuki is far more interesting than the mercury to me
Small suzukis, 25-30hp (ish). Have you seen or heard from any longevity issues with the aluminum con-rods? I haven't heard anything, I am not trying to cast a doubt or smear. Just curious, as the use of aluminum conrods surprised me.
What about gauges. I have a 200ss with a C10 display. It works about 10% of the time. I have called 3 shops and they all say the same. C10 sucks and Suzuki hasn't fixed the issue.
As long as Suzuki doesn’t use there street bike technology they will be a 3rd class engine.The only way Suzuki could sell motors is to offer to dealers is to sell them engine at HP lower price. That being 250hp at 200 hp price. And so on down the list. Honda and Suzuki will never be close to the big two. When you have to under price your product to get it in market you have a big problem
@johnboy5167 Not so sure anymore, a lot are switching to Suzuki because of cost and better warranty. I go to Florida every year to fish and I'm seeing more and more Suzuki. I'm not bashing Yamaha, I know they're great but does the extra cost justify it?
Given that the Yamaha F150 is a top seller, I’d love to see a review against the new 2022 Suzuki DF150AP against the Yamaha 150. Big changes this year.
Tracy West.
I just hit 100 hrs on my 250 SS and I love the motor.
I have never been happier as a boat owner until recently with my purchase of a Suzuki df200ap and having a reliable and skilled dealer nearby. Quiet & efficient from the start and I am counting on reliability down the line. Agree with others that not having a Suzuki shop local to you could be a deciding factor.
Good video.
I own a Yamaha, but love the looks of that Suzuki! I really don't believe you could go wrong with either one, both are high quality machines.
I’ve been rigging boats for 35 years and when you compare outboards you have to throw in the weight of the outboard especially with today’s four strokes. I also like to throw in the rpm max limits and gear ratios. Other than these few things it was a good fair comparison. Appreciate it.
You should have put the price in the battle 👍👍👍
U have answered my question Suzuki is what I go to buy a 115 or 90 thanks for the info on motors. Keep up the awesome work you are doing 💯💯💯💯💯💯👍👍👍
Glad to help Mike. Always go with the highest horsepower that your boat is rated for.
Love my new matte black 250 SS but still trying to prop it. Running a 24 scorpion, 6050 rpm at 63 mph. Main complaint is the hole shot is sluggish
Lmao!!! Love tour videos. As mentioned by another post...What is the price difference between the two?
I have a 250ss suki. Love it, zero problems. I have one issue. I run flats boat (majek M2 22) at south padre island Tx. Water pickup is above prop level and water pressure drops on running skinny flats. Yamaha has lower water intake. Any fix for this? Aftermarket scoop pickup?
Saw your other 250ss video. Ordered 300 offshore water pickups,
I've owned both, but I can't make a fair comparison since my Suzuki was OLD when I started with it. My current bay boat is Yamaha and I love it for reliability. It gets me to my fishing spot and gets me home every time. On the Chesapeake, that's the #1 priority. You lose an engine out here, your drift puts you somewhere in Europe a month later.
CAN YOU BRAND BATTLE THE 200 CLASS FOR 2022-SHO VS SS VS PRO XS
I haven’t had any trim or power head since 2008!
Just got a new zuk, number 4. PRICE AND WARRANTY got me to buy again. My 1996 dt115 lasted 20 years after 3 computers burned and corrosion issues.
I used to get about 4000-5000 hours on 200 or 250 Yamahas! And almost the same with Suzuki. Both are really good.
I appreciate your reviews. Even if there is a slight bias toward Suzuki, I believe it is totally warranted. I bought a boat with twin 150 Etecs, and though they are good (start as soon as you turn the key, and that was after 4 months of sitting), I would still like to repower with Suzuki. The only reason I haven't done so yet is because I want a bigger boat, which will require more power.
Thanks for the VERY enjoyable comparison between the 2 best 4 stroke motors out. I went with the Yamaha Sho but if I had any hiccups in getting one I would have gladly put the Ss Suzuki on my new boat forsure. Got the 115 sho and might upgrade to 150 sho or ss in near future.
2 things we all know about Andy, he loves Suzuki and hates Nitros 😂
Hey. I live up here in northern Canada and have only a honda and merc dealer. I boat in remote areas where you can be 4-6 hours away from the dock. Which 225 motor would never let you down??? Get you home every time? Thks
Hello Andy .Thank you for the Informative and Entertaining video. I currently run a 90 Evinrude 200 XP on my 91 STRATOS 201 Pro Elite Dual Console. Runs like a Champ But , I would like to Run a New Suzuki SS on my STRATOS but , Unfortunately At this time Suzuki Doesn't make a V-6 200 Or 225 SS.
I don't know if my STRATOS would handle the Suzuki 250 SS ? Anyway Great Brand Battle. Keep them coming 👍
I am probably going to re-power my 17ft aluminum Triton. I currently have a 50 HP Mercury 2stroke. I wish Suzuki made a 75 HP cause I would go straight to that.
Which would you say get as far as power (Hole shot/Top end) and reliability: Suzuki 70hp or Yamaha 75hp?
QUESTION: You refer to how many problems you see vs. the other; a simple comparison. HOWEVER; if YAMMY is selling 10 times the amount of units, the ratio would still be lower if you measure problem per 100 units. Does that make sense?
@@Deltadawg660 we go off of what we see in our shop and Yamaha doesn’t have 10x the units vs the other brands around here. The Suzuki’s that we have running in our area simply do not have very many issues at all. There are more Yamaha’s and Merc’s in total but once a Suzuki goes on and out the door you usually never see that customer again until it’s oil change and winterize time. You see the other guys for different unrelated issues all of the time. Merc guys FAR more than Yamaha. You do have a good point and great question
Based on what I've heard from salt guys, guys running them now and what I've seen you guys talk about and list price, my next boat will probably have a Suzuki on it
Smart choice buddy! 👍🏻
I’ve had experience with both brands and honestly can’t go wrong with either in my opinion. I’ve had low and high pressure fuel pumps go out in the Suzuki granted I had that motor for 13 years but nothing yet on the Yamaha. I will have to say the torque I get from the sho is crazy good. I have a 18 ft G3 bay with a 90 sho and have found the perfect prop. I’m getting 47mph from a Powertech 19 pitch 3 blade prop and that’s impressive! Have you guys experimented with that brand yet? And I’m wondering if I could hit 50mph with a jack plate?
Definitely enjoyed the battle!!!! Question, is there any ECU Flashing available for Suzuki like Nizpro etc for Yamaha? Thanks
Nothing yet
Who wins in your guys' opinion?
Good point about the lithium batteries. I’m running an Ionic 125 Lithium battery on my 250SS and had zero issues with charging the battery while running 4 12 inch graphs. However, I will randomly get some fault codes that don’t correspond to anything specific and quickly clear once started. But I had the same issue when running a group 31 AGM as well.
What brand battle do you want to see next?
Let's see a brand battle between the Mercury 250 Pro XS V8 four stroke and Suzuki 250 SS. Comparing the Charging System, Weight, Warranty, Extended Warranty Options, Dealer Network, Reliability and Price. If you decide to have this brand battle be honest. I know your a Suzuki shop and you have to keep them happy. Thanks!
How about the 4 trolling motors with electric steering and what they are capable of when paired with its own company electronics. Also what may work with motor guide tour ?
@@MrBash82 he already did one a year ago.. ua-cam.com/video/9o9Z9JiJQxQ/v-deo.html
Maybe he can do a rematch Mercury 250 pro sx vs Suzuki 250ss battle number 2
How about one on the 150’s for us poor folks in tins. I’m leaning toward a 150 Suzuki after my experience with my fathers 60 horse. I’d hate to know how many stumps that motor has eat and still purrs like a kitten.
@@rogermoore3270 I’m in the same “boat”. I have zero desire for a $100k boat that I’m afraid to take to the lake because of possible damages.. the $40k tin rigs are bad enough..
I know I can look it up but what are the dry weights of the Suzuki and the Yamaha? Thanks. Love the content, as always.
The Suzuki 250SS is 570 lbs and the Yamaha is 505lbs.
we have Yamaha and Suzuki 150hp, 40hp, 75hp, 300hp, 225hp, 250hp, 400hp, 90hp, 200hp, 100hp, 115hp, all 4 stroke
Let me know if you’re interested getting one for your boat
Plus you can put a bolt on SuperCharger on the SHO will put it at 450 hp
I saw you outside today Andy! was down at La Crosse for college mlf event
I've been waiting for this one. Great review! For long term reliability, Suzuki is the way to go. The styling on the new SHO looks great and is probably better for resale. These are the only two outboard brands I'd consider for a bass boat.
Yamaha doesn’t have long term reliability ?? 😅
@@SME5724you know nothing l just traded my f 225 v6 4 stroke in after 20 years of good service only had 1 minor issue in 20 years l would say that is very reliable
@@johnboy5167 so you’re agreeing with me … moron … it was said sarcastically
I need some help with a boat order. Just ordered a 24’ shallow sport with a Suzuki 250SS TL3 the dealer offered me a new unsold Suzuki DF300 APL2 at the same price same 5yr warranty. What’s the better buy of the two?
You mentioned warranty. In your experience which brand best stands behind their warranty? 3 or 5 years don't mean squat if they don't take care of thier customers when a warranty issue arises.
Since the SHO 200...225...and 250 are the same exact motor bolt to bolt.. except for the badging and the tune...I put the SHO 200 on my boat and had Nizpro come out and tune it. I now have 332 HP.. Works just fine.... OK so bash me about warranty .. No problem put original tune back in.. Besides.. Yamaha don't break as much these days..
I love the matte finish! I wish all the manufacturers would have this option. Sick of the shiny shit that looks 10 years old after the first season.
Got a friend that has a charter business in Port St Joe Florida (inshore) and his Yamaha blew up within a month or so after his 3 year warranty ran out. Went out and bought a new Suzuki and has 0 regrets with it. Runs like a champ. If I were to buy a new boat I would request the Suzuki for sure.
I have a 23 250 SS on my 210 starcraft fishmaster
Max throttle trimmed I'm at 5600rpm 46/47mph
Have a 16" diameter 3 blade 18.5 pitch watergrip prop
Any recommendations?
Very slow 😂
I recommend you get a yammy 250 sho l have 1 on my 23 foot plate ally boat and I can get 60 mph at 6100 rpm 😊
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE! The Honda VTEC 250 VS. any MERCURY 4 stroke
Deal!
I still want to see a review of the 150 HP Suzuki
What about weight? I’m running a 98’ Stratos 201 Pro Elite. Weight is a big deal to me when the day comes I have to repower.
I have a 2001 Tr21 want to upgrade to a 4 stroke 250 what would you suggest thank you!
whenever i need to laugh and learn, i go to this channel lol
Appreciate ya Angel
@@TeamMarineService I think y’all should do a Blazer/Suzuki performance/speed test 👀👀👀👀👀
Thanks mate
Suzuki is up on reliability wise as in the powerhead running time
I haven't seen one single Suzuki outboard on Lake Guntersville yet when I'm out fishing. Maybe in a few more years. Do see more of them now down in Orange Beach/Gulf Shores area. But Yamaha is still by far and away the outboard of choice for that area also. I'm still running my '89 Merc 135 double smoker! Powerhead replaced in '06, so probably getting ready for a rebuild shortly. 😁
SHO and Merc are neck and neck on G'ville. That new Merc seems to be taking the lead slowly though
I have looked online and here on UA-cam for rigging options for a new suzuki df90a. It would be awesome if you could make a video on this. Love your videos, I find them clear and very informative. Thanks
I will follow you into the mist of Avalon Andy...
Riding majestic, translucent steeds shooting flaming arrows across the bridge of Hemdale
When stock, none will give you more speed and torque than my AMERICAN MADE Mercury!!!! And when I finally get it back from the shop after the motor mount boats backing out of it with only 20 hours on the engine I’ll prove it!! 😂 For real though, Mercury got the speed and torque part down. My next boat will have a Yahama on it,
Hahaha Yes Mercury does have the speed part down.
Lol won't touch a yammy hammer!
No mention of price? I’m sure it differs but suzys are cheaper in So. Illinois. Great video nonetheless!
They are so close in price that it's up to what the dealer will sell it to you for. On paper the Suzuki is cheaper though
I’m looking at a new Suzuki or a mercury 60hp anyone have any insight?
Suzuki all day
Thank you
You say you done a lot more gear casings on the SHO vs the SS. Well that’s not really fair at all cause you don’t work on NEAR as many SS’s vs SHO’s. Suzuki biased I see and I’m sorry but the SLOWSUKI is 1990’s boring! There’s nothing to that motor so how can it look better?
We dont work on many SS gear cases because they do not break at the same rate the SHO's do. If you were to look at the size of the gears themselves and the prop shaft you'd understand. That's why they give up 1 or 2 mph to Merc and Yamaha but in reality you can fix that with propping and set up.
Bullshit 😂@@TeamMarineService
Do you guys have a speed money and no brakes decal?
We should make one
T shirts coming
I want to see a 225 battle. Mainly because I have a 99 opti on my boat and I want a sho but I hear they have power head failure. 225 pro xs vs 225 sho vs 225 suzuki
How about the smaller 100 hp range motors??
$$$ Price difference???
What boat do you run Andy? 😁
I have several boats but i never have anytime to drive them because i'm always making these silly videos for y'all! Haha
@@TeamMarineService awesome thanks for taking time to give us ur truth n I’m getting people to subscribe daily ! I talked with someone who fishes n u come up in conversation lol
Who has better customer service???
what about the price between the two?
nice fight intro love it good work
What about price....
You forgot to mention dealer network and the fact the Yamaha 200-250 is a detuned 335hp motor and can easily be flashed for higher HP. Also, timing chain vs. timing belt.
Great video, but, I have gone to probably 20-30 dealerships and have yet to see one that sells Suzuki. So for service, most will be hard pressed to find a dealer. Yamaha is has many more, something that IMHO is more important that aesthetics.
whats your thoughts on the yam 175 vmax?
Andy, you just have a man crush on Suzuki. No need to make these brand battles when Suzuki is included. We know who’s winning 😂
#1 reason why…reliability!
@@smallmouthcity Suzuki is not more reliable than Yamaha my last Yamaha f 225 v6 4 stroke did 20 years of offshore fishing and was still running fine you can't get any more reliable than that
Cost comparison
I've tried calling twice and left messages. Trying get prices on a new 225 or 250 Suzuki for my Champ. Yet to get a call back. Kinda ironic after watching all of Andy's boat reviews, don't ya think 🤔
I get it, you are in line for a call back. Katrina gets 50+ calls a day and has to deal with the foot traffic too.
250ss all you can go with
Send me your email
@@TeamMarineService sent it to your gmail address. I hope that works. Thank you
Off subject outside realm of another awesome over/under. Watch them all at least once. Lol. .
So my question is. Would injectors dirty cause 07 mercury pro xs 250 to start climbing outta the hole slower ?
Runs great good compression and all but I can tell a big difference. No prop changes either. Input shaft good. No. Play.
I also heard possibly needing to adjust the WOT. But I can’t find exactly what that should be. Seems folks have different opinions. Any idea on where I could look. I like fixing my own so I can become as familiar as possible with the motor.
Thanks again. You guys rock.
You say slower out the hole.....is it bogging or blowing out? Have you damaged a blade? Have you lost a pvs plug?
Yamaha by land, Suzuki by sea!
100%
Truth
👍🏻👍🏻
Yamaha flyin by suzuki high and dry
Yeah but where does Evinrude fit in between these two? 🥴🥴🥴
Weight wise the Suzuki is a lot heavier then the sho, but it is really really close
Meh 50 or so pounds!
Why not a cost comparison, and mention the price ???
The cost varies wildly depending on dealer. We are a Suzuki dealer and could sell new 250SS' for multiple thousands under under the average MSRP.
I’ve heard from several Marinas that Suzuki not only doesn’t cover warranty but blames the customer for all motor issue to not have to pay for the repairs. Yamaha on the other covers everything even when it’s the customer’s fault. One owner said Yamaha covers a bent shaft even though the customer ran aground. A guarantee is only as good as the company willing to back. “If you want me to take a shit in a box and stamp it “guaranteed” I will. I’ve got spare time!”
What, no price comparison?
Such a good battle! Both are great outboards and are far better then any Mercury junk
Mercury is in trouble!
@@mediaspeedfilms1334 We agree with ya. It seems like they only care about the high dollar offshore crowd these days and are leaving us freshwater guys out to dry with this new unreliable motor.
Can't argue with that statement!
Mercury will never be in trouble when it come to competition with Suzuki. Yamaha and Mercury spend more in R&D annually than Suzuki generates in annual sales. The outboard marine market is very competitive and Suzuki has VERY small US market share compared to Yamaha and Mercury. That's facts!
@@MrBash82 That's what GM and Ford said back in the day about Honda and Toyota! #facts
Hi, I alredy have Suzuki df20, i had a lot of thinhs in my mind what i have to choice and... first - in the same money Suzuki is on efi, Yamaha on normal carbulator, thanks for movie and showed if everybody pay only for brand not for quality ::D
I don't think that you can go wrong with either motor.
I appreciate the comparison but could do without all the theatrics. But that's just me.
We gotta have fun! lol
Keep it up. Love the content. 👍
Suzuki needs to enlarge their dealer network in my area. Merc dominates in my area. That's a huge factor as much as I like Suzuki.
True, they are working on it slowly but surely!
SHO for the win. But if you want to go slow, don't buy the SHO. 250 SHO has more horsepower than the Suzuki, and a better gear ratio(1.75) in the lower. Might I add that the new Suzuki looks outdated. Keeping it real.
Same boat, same set up the SHO will pull a higher top speed but the SS has more low end and mid range punch.
@@TeamMarineService Can the Suzuki 250SS ECU be flashed? Any 200, 225, 250 SHO ECU can be flashed to make an estimated 320-330 hp. for only $700.00 more. That, sir, is the elephant in the room.
@@TeamMarineServicethe 250 sho is far superior to the 250 Suzuki 😂
So the sho isn't 250hp? He had to add some extra comps to get the yummy a couple marks because it was behind the zuke.. I have twin 225 yammys now one my triton and im not expressed. I wish I had zukes, ive had several zuks with great experiences.
@@kirbyfrost9082 the sho is well over 250 hp and will slaughter the Suzuki in every aspect
🤣 oh man 0:39 is so good!
How many people comment stuff like “just got my Suzukis and love them, or 100 hours and I love them, Etc.. The REALITY is that come back at 400 hours, or higher, and see. Those Yamahas are WAY more dependable. And virtually ANYWHERE you go you will have a Yamaha service center, and you will be trying to find someone to work on Suzuki’s. Also, in the resale market, (and everybody eventually finds themselves here, come on you know) the Suzuki’s KILL the resale value of your boat. So this is not to say that Suzukis are a POS, they aren’t, but you have to be real. The little bit of money you may save in the beginning…there’s a reason for that, it will come back and haunt you on the resale market. Think.
You forgot cost.
Initial cost, (like the price on a new boat on the lot)
And repower cost.
Ugh. Looking at ordering a new rig, and have no freaking idea which motor to run. Merc dealers everywhere... yamaha has the speed... zuki has the reliability. WHY CAN'T SUZUKI BE FAST!?
In reality (when prop'd correctly) the Zuk will only be AT MOST 2 or so mph slower then the Merc. It all depends on the boat too. A Zuk on a loaded Gambler will smoke a loaded Nitro or Ranger with Mercs to that fishing hole any day of the week.
@@TeamMarineService I'm looking to order a blazer 625 and bring her to the north woods... I honestly want the new sho, but don't want to wait a year for it... the suzuki is far more interesting than the mercury to me
@@TeamMarineService you guys also said the best Zuk prop was a Scorpion, I think??
Honda\merc. Winner battles Zuk.
I'm on the west coast so I'm an offshore\ saltwater guy.
Small suzukis, 25-30hp (ish). Have you seen or heard from any longevity issues with the aluminum con-rods?
I haven't heard anything, I am not trying to cast a doubt or smear. Just curious, as the use of aluminum conrods surprised me.
150ss vs 150vmax vs 150proxs!
Yamaha... All the way...
The INTRO was PRICELESS !!
Please make a video on shadow bass boats
🤣😂🤣Thanks man for the honest view.
What about gauges. I have a 200ss with a C10 display. It works about 10% of the time. I have called 3 shops and they all say the same. C10 sucks and Suzuki hasn't fixed the issue.
As long as Suzuki doesn’t use there street bike technology they will be a 3rd class engine.The only way Suzuki could sell motors is to offer to dealers is to sell them engine at HP lower price. That being 250hp at 200 hp price. And so on down the list. Honda and Suzuki will never be close to the big two. When you have to under price your product to get it in market you have a big problem
LOL! Suzuki- Hold my beer.
Glad I'm still running a 2 stroke 25 years and still kickin'
Just lost my Mariner 225EFI after 26 years, re-powering with Suzuki 250SS
There is no way susucky is even on the same planet as Yamaha
Same planet and made in the same country! 😉
If you mentioned cost, I missed it. Pay a LOT more for Yamaha.
Because they are better 😂
@johnboy5167 Not so sure anymore, a lot are switching to Suzuki because of cost and better warranty. I go to Florida every year to fish and I'm seeing more and more Suzuki. I'm not bashing Yamaha, I know they're great but does the extra cost justify it?
What about the price comparison between the two?
17,000 for 200 sho flash to whatever you want up to 343hp for 600 bucks.
Price & Weight missed.
They're are both close, the Suzuki is cheaper and the yamaha weighs less
@@TeamMarineService thank you TMS, great video.
I want to trade my merc 150 for a slowzuki 150
Given that the Yamaha F150 is a top seller, I’d love to see a review against the new 2022 Suzuki DF150AP against the Yamaha 150. Big changes this year.
for complements, this 20 hp i have in 330cm rubberboat, so when i am alone my speed is around 50 km/h, before in yamaha was 30/35 max