Great video. I started looking into repowering as well. I've owned Yamaha on past 3 boats and they have been great. Mine has the squeal that you mentioned. I haven't heard it since my last water pump change, but I know it will likely come back. A lot of my friends and local captains I know have switched to Suzuki and have been very happy. I think I would switch to Suzuki if I repower. I've only heard good things about them. The price point and warranty makes it even better for me. The other problem right now is inventory. It's tough to find a Yamaha right now, but Suzukis are more available.
Thanks! My most recent quote for a black Suzuki 115 was $1100 installed. That’s $2700 less than the Yamaha. Danny’s Marine had a good amount in stock but some of the more popular hp were not available
Went with Suzuki DF250AP last season to replace 2001 Mercury 225 Optimax and have nothing but great things to say about the motor, electronics and dealer experience.
I have the 1890 Skiff and just put on a New 90 Suzuki that replaced a 2004 zuk that was shot due to being on a mooring for years without flushing out. It still ran perfect but other things started going and it was time. The new one runs great and all I had to do to make the original controls work from my 2004 was a pig tail connecter Suzuki has and everything works perfect. It runs great and looks nice in white as well. I see more and more on the water which means better service centers years to come.
Fuel consumption isn't really apples to apples. Your E-Tec is a V6 2.6l block, the Suzuki is a inline 4 2.0l block. More comparable would be the E-Tec 115HO V4 1.7l motor. Suzuki has always run a lower gear ratio, the 115 has a gear ratio of 2.59:1, your E-tec is 1.86:1 and the Yamaha 115 is 2.15:1. That Suzuki lower gear ratio impacts the top end but is pretty effective at turning larger propellers which is great for slower speeds. For your application I would look at the Suzuki 140, same weight and shouldn't be priced much higher than the 115. That being said, I am in a bit of the same situation. I have a 2016 Boston Whaler 210 Montauk with a 2016 Evinrude E-TEC 200HP HO. I am in SWFL and just can't get any service in my area on the E-TEC. My E-TEC needs about a $5k of work, including a new fuel pump/reservoir. So, I've been thinking about repowering. I've been looking at the Yamaha and Suzuki 200 inline 4 and also the Mercury FourStroke 200 V6. Performance wise the Mercury V6 will be the closest... but reliability is my biggest concern. All around value the Suzuki is very hard to beat.
Good video. The only reason why I went with a Suzuki when we bought a boat is because I live in Mercury and Yamaha country...that's all you see here. Actually all three (Merc Yamaha Suzuki) are great. I hear good things from owners all the time. Honda doesn't seem to be a big player in outboards anymore like they use to.
Well, we just learned Honda has a new 350hp. Until recently I lived in Jacksonville with a large Naval and Coast Guard presence. I don’t know if it’s still the same, but about ten years ago Coast Guard personnel told me that based on their experience they had standardized on Honda outboard‘s exclusively. Personally, I think they have better data and procedures for selecting reliable outboards than the typical weekend fishermen. I think you could consider features, looks, price and whatever else you like or don’t like and exercise your choice, but without thinking you are buying a superior brand consistently more reliable than the others. I’ve been in this long enough to have run Wizard, SeaBee, Scott-Atwater, Firestone, and a couple more in addition to the ones most folks know today.
@@guermeisterdoodlebug7980 Hey thanks for the comment, but I beg to differ. I'm not sure what the governments/coast guard criteria is for buying products, but here in the Northwest the coast guard has all Mercury outboards, and in Alaska they have Yamaha's. Coast guard here had modern two stroke opti max Mercs here for years because they can outrun anything, but they are transitioning to Merc four stokes now. I'm a big fan of Honda products, but I've noticed that they just don't have the mystique and presence in the market like they once had. (motorcycles, quads outboards etc.) Most of the Honda people are like myself, from the 70's and 80's generation.
I have no reason to disagree with what you say, and I’m not pushing one view over the other. If I were buying a boat and choosing a motor, I would probably take Suzuki, but not because I truly know all Suzukis are better than all of some other brand, rather just because I think they are good and want to try one. Coincidentally, just yesterday I bought a new boat, factory-equipped with Yamaha, no choice. I would have still bought it if equipped with Suzuki, Mercury, or Honda. As I said in another part of this thread, there’s far more in here about how people feel than what they know (including me). Some want to bolster their arguments by saying what fishing guides do, or the Coast Guard does, or some other entity or group. I am amused at thinking that because someone guides fishing parties he necessarily knows more about outboard motors than I do- maybe because I know too many guides. Someone else is arguing that Suzukis are just superior to Yamahas. One would think that boat manufacturers, such as mine, have a pretty good perspective on outboard motor quality so why would they exclusively use Yamaha instead? Reiterating my earlier comment, all modern outboards are really good so buy what pleases you. So far, no one has changed my opinion that local dealer and service network is probably the most important factor. Now, if you really want to start something, ask folks, what’s the best brand of truck to tow their boat with. Ain’t it wonderful to have all these choices so people can each make theirs and then argue why it’s better than others’? @@martinschulz9381
@@guermeisterdoodlebug7980 Thanks for the comment. Funny you should mention, I read in the forums all the time "that's what the guides do" to make their point. Have fun with your new boat...I'm sure you'll b happy with the Yamaha.
Here's my two cents, for what it's worth. First, I'm a Merc fan -- although I've never owned one. I like to buy 'Made In America' whenever possible. Also -- I am NOT a mechanic and barely even mechanically inclined, just another Joe-schmo with an opinion, and limited knowledge. I've owned four boats (all used), but will only mention the current and previous ones since we're talking about Yammis and Zukes. PREVIOUS BOAT: I bought a 2009 NauticStar 2200 TE bay boat w/ a Yamaha F250 3.4L in 2012 with, just shy of, 200 hrs on it. That Yamaha motor started every, single time without fail, and NEVER left me stranded due to Yamaha-related mechanical issues. The ONLY problems I had with that motor were self-inflicted. I hit some rocks, at speed, down in the Keys and blew the lower unit wide open. Gears were hanging out the side and prop was bent all to hell. Another time I was too shallow for too long and sucked so much mud it stopped peeing and I had to limp back to the dock. Neither of those were the fault of Yamaha, but mine. I always did my own preventative maintenance on it, and that motor ran flawlessly up until I recently sold it to my son w/ almost 500 hrs on it. CURRENT BOAT: Recently bought a 2014 26' Twin Vee (Late August 2023) center console w/ twin Suzuki 140's (2012 models), with about 330 hrs on them. The port engine's No. 1 cylinder has low compression and that motor shakes really bad at idle. My mechanic had me try to run some Mercury fuel additive through it to see if it was from [low speed trolling] carbon build-up, but I've run enough fresh fuel w/ additive through it (at speed) and it didn't make a difference. I'm taking it back in after Memorial Day because I think he's going to have to do some internal work. If anyone has any, I'm open to suggestions before I take it in. My question is this...... Why is my Suzuki experiencing compression problems with only 330 hrs? Is this normal ? Anyone else have these same problems ??
I have a maritime 23d with a 2009 etec 225. I bought the boat with intention to repower but i did a bunch of pass due maintenance and its so fast and reliable. Im shocked.. i only heard bad things but ive ran 70+ miles offshore n back with zero issues. But like you i have an itch to get a new 4 stroke. I had the driveshaft squealing on my Yamaha and the remidy is to drop the lower unit and use yamaha wr2 greese on the shaft splines and a tiny bit on the brass bushing.
Agree with you on the Suzuki! Plus Suzuki uses a timing chain over Yamaha's timing belt, which requires more maintenance. Suzuki's warranty is twice that of the Yamaha and way cheaper to purchase! Where I live in Tampabay Florida 90% of the fishing guides are running Suzuki's! I would say they know more about motor qualities than anyone.
I have a Suzuki and love it, but here in the Northwest, BC, and Alaska most of the guides have Mercs and Yamaha's. Has a lot to do with the area and its dealer network.
I like Suzuki, but because one is a fishing guide doesn’t mean he knows more about outboard motors than I do. This has been a rather interesting thread, but one thing is clear: it’s much more about how people feel about things than what they know.
Thank you for sharing this informative video, if what is the better choose the outboard engine for boat. For me maybe I choose Yamaha engine. Thank you. Am watching from naic cavite. Philippines!
You still can't beat Etec when it comes to torque, wieght to power ratio, fuel economy and easy maintenance. I will say, though, that Evinrude oil keeps getting more expensive every year....
There seems to be a pretty big misconception that a Suzuki timing chain is far superior to a Yamaha timing belt. It isn't. I prefer timing chains on cars but these aren't car engines. A Yamaha timing belt will last at least 1000hrs before needing replacement and its very easy and relatively inexpensive to replace one. If a timing chain or associated components needs replaced it is a much tougher and expensive job. If the cylinder head has to come off it is more complicated with a chain. Suzukis also seem to corrode a lot worse than Yamahas in identical conditions. Resale value can't be underestimated- A Yamaha is ALWAYS worth more used and is easier to sell than a Suzuki. Both are good, but so are Honda and Tohatsu
@@kenneth9874 He got a brand new 115hp OB from a top Japanese manufacturer, that has performed as advertised for 3 years/250 hours. He paid 12.5k for this. Are there other 115hp OB's that cost more doing more than this? Are these other OB's curing cancer or predicting the NASDAQ or something?
Sorry to hear your issues with the etec. I have a 90 etec and it's awesome but I recently bought a new boat came with a merc. Just curious did you consider a mercury?
These days all major brands make reliable fuel efficient engines but most people overlook corrosion resistance when deciding and in this area I think Suzuki may be the worst.
@@Bythewater Mercury has the best metal combinations for corrosion resistance, I've read they use less copper in their alloys when they cast the engines, problem is people still think they aren't reliable.
My 200 E-TEC is good on fuel but 90 percent of my running is at cruse speed which is 3500 rpm but you go over that all day yes it will chug the fuel down .
I’m replacing my Suzuki DF150, (which I bought 2nd hand), due to corrosion. I see some talk about Yamaha being less susceptible to corrosion. Pls comment on how Yamaha’s technology helps prevent corrosion. Pls also comment if Suzuki have dealt with this issue in their latest models (2023/4), thank you
I had a discussion about this with my mechanic. His opinion is that the best decision is whichever brand is closest to your latitude. His thinking is that temperature variations impact the corrosiveness of salt water. That is definitely true, but I'd need to look at some data to back up the claim. That advice was tempered with the caveat that all the big 4 brands to an excellent job on preventing corrosion these days...tuff to differentiate on that factor. I think the best thing you can do is replace your anodes well before you "need" to. And if you keep your boat in the water, get a grounding weight.
Look folks - today they are all good. Buy from the dealer you trust and will give you the best service, have parts and the one that best fits your boat.
Lol, Mercury has the best corrosion protection with patented formula built into their blocks. They have their own foundry. Got to do your homework. Oh and they come with a 5 year warranty..
@@martinschulz9381 You don’t see the Corrosion issues with Mercury that you do with Yamaha and Suzuki.. Mercury’s metallurgy formula is patented and kept secret.
Good video, the last year Evinrude was building engines they made a 150 hp 3 cylinder G2. All though not many were built these motors are fantastic, and would have performed great on your skiff. Fast, light weight, great fuel mileage, No maintenance for 5 years. But unfortunately Evinrude is no longer a choice.
Hello from Finland! I have df 175 apx, 2018... Over 700 hours now, and working great. I have had many outboard in 30 years, and i have to say Suzuki is best option in my opinion. Better gear shifting an fuel economy vs other brands. Only thing what i don`t like my 175 is that there is no neutral lock in remote control unit, and you have to be carefully when putting shift to the neutral position. Good and cheap propeller option for these 150 and bigger is SOLAS AMITA 3-e-plus, 15,3*23 is mine and works really well.
What speed do you get with that solas? I just bought that exact same prop and size for my 6.5m RIB with df175. Hoping for 45 knots. Getting 38 knots with a 16x21.5
@@johnboy5167you are right.... I got 46knots! Garmin GPS speed verified. Delighted with the new prop. Slightly slower hole shot but better cruising fuel economy and higher top speed.
I’ve been working on outboards for some time now have to say Yamaha is the best we had a bit of problems with oil filters blowing and Suzuki blocks corroding out completely bit I will say They do make a really good engine
Then you would know about the Yamaha corrosion issues. For me it would be Suzuki all day. But ATM I’m not ready, My 225HO G2 is still going great. But I would likely go Suzuki.
@@Skits_Missions sho engines are strictly fresh water engines Suzuki’s have a common problem with blowing oil filters and the smaller ones will corrode though the head of the engine
Honda is behind in technology and weight. Old designs just newer package. Go to any boat show you’ll find very few. They don’t take Marine propulsion as serious as Mercury and it shows.
@@glamdring0007 in all fairness honda 15hp is 46kg and carbd but with accelerator pump, yamaha are 51kg and just carbd (they are heavy heaps and sluggish from personal experience), however Suzuki are EFI and 44kg, I can assure you suzuki are much better, however if required i would get a honda over a yamaha
Have you considered the 115 SS Suzuki? Just put one on a pontoon boat and my customer got 7 more MPH out of his old bone of a boat we replaced an old sloppy max with a dead cylinder
get what ever the cheapest is, youre probably never gonna use the warranty, and who cares about fuel efficiency if youre not a off shore boat. i have a f90 yamaha 2018 and zero issues, my warranty expires at the end of 2024 ,mine had extende warranty not the basic 3 year. i also have a friend with a 2019 suzuki 115 and the only issue he had was corrosion i n the fuel pump , from water in the tank , other than that no issues with it
@@Bythewater i had a 140 , i beleive much more power and speed then the 115 fuel not that much diffrence because the 140 no reving and working so hard . no comparision
Mercury Beats Suzuki and Yamaha.. *Mercury 455lbs 60Amp Alternator.. 5 Yr Warranty. *Suzuki 522lbs 44Amp Alternator.. 5 Yr Warranty. *Yamaha 509lbs. 50Amp Alternator.. 3 Yr Warranty. **Mercury just as Reliable, that’s backed up in Owner reviews. Mercury leads the industry in innovation, 1st with Digital Controls, Power Steering, v10 and v12 up to 600hp. Do your research.
@@Bythewater I Repowered my Contender with twin Mercury 200’s, the Yamaha package was $6k more. The Suzuki 200’s were $3k less. **The Mercury’s were V6’s vs the others I4’s. The Mercury’s were lighter weight and the Warranty covered more then the Suzuki’s. It was a No brainer after looking under the cowlings, Mercury appeared better thought out, better materials and design. They’re all good but the Mercury is a better system.
There just is NO better outboard than the Suzuki. Hands down. Especially in salt water. Do the research and you will see why the Zuk smokes the Yamaha.
suzuki are a lot lot better due to the fact that their 9.9b and above are EFI and light, their 15hp is EFI and 44kg, yet yamaha same hp are 51kg and carbd, yamaha are heavy engines and use old tech, stay away from yamaha
Not sure about the little toy engines but the Suzuki engines are all heavyweight compared to Yamaha in the larger sizes l run a Yamaha 250 sho on my boat and it will blow a Suzuki 300 of the water easily 😅
Suzuki has chain timing, so you never have to worry about belt replacements in the long run.
Yep, another big plus
That is one of the main things i point out to people. I had a Suzuki 200 and it was fantastic.
Wondering why you chose 115 over the 140 Suzuki. Same weight more power for a very little cost difference.
I went Suzuki 140 and could not be happier.
Yamaha for me no doubt.
Great video. I started looking into repowering as well. I've owned Yamaha on past 3 boats and they have been great. Mine has the squeal that you mentioned. I haven't heard it since my last water pump change, but I know it will likely come back. A lot of my friends and local captains I know have switched to Suzuki and have been very happy. I think I would switch to Suzuki if I repower. I've only heard good things about them. The price point and warranty makes it even better for me. The other problem right now is inventory. It's tough to find a Yamaha right now, but Suzukis are more available.
Thanks! My most recent quote for a black Suzuki 115 was $1100 installed. That’s $2700 less than the Yamaha. Danny’s Marine had a good amount in stock but some of the more popular hp were not available
Went with Suzuki DF250AP last season to replace 2001 Mercury 225 Optimax and have nothing but great things to say about the motor, electronics and dealer experience.
@@TheDoqI've heard that from lots of people now. Awesome stuff!
I can’t find either one right now 😡
I bought Yamaha on my latest boat. I figure they are number 1 recommended by most folks in the saltwater world for the last decade for a reason.
Yamaha all day long! I have 1500 hours on my SHO without any issues!
I have the 1890 Skiff and just put on a New 90 Suzuki that replaced a 2004 zuk that was shot due to being on a mooring for years without flushing out. It still ran perfect but other things started going and it was time. The new one runs great and all I had to do to make the original controls work from my 2004 was a pig tail connecter Suzuki has and everything works perfect. It runs great and looks nice in white as well. I see more and more on the water which means better service centers years to come.
Yeah, I think the Zuke is the way to go
Fuel consumption isn't really apples to apples. Your E-Tec is a V6 2.6l block, the Suzuki is a inline 4 2.0l block. More comparable would be the E-Tec 115HO V4 1.7l motor. Suzuki has always run a lower gear ratio, the 115 has a gear ratio of 2.59:1, your E-tec is 1.86:1 and the Yamaha 115 is 2.15:1. That Suzuki lower gear ratio impacts the top end but is pretty effective at turning larger propellers which is great for slower speeds. For your application I would look at the Suzuki 140, same weight and shouldn't be priced much higher than the 115.
That being said, I am in a bit of the same situation. I have a 2016 Boston Whaler 210 Montauk with a 2016 Evinrude E-TEC 200HP HO. I am in SWFL and just can't get any service in my area on the E-TEC. My E-TEC needs about a $5k of work, including a new fuel pump/reservoir. So, I've been thinking about repowering. I've been looking at the Yamaha and Suzuki 200 inline 4 and also the Mercury FourStroke 200 V6. Performance wise the Mercury V6 will be the closest... but reliability is my biggest concern. All around value the Suzuki is very hard to beat.
GREAT information! 100% appreciate the advice and you’re right a 140 would probably be a better choice
Good video. The only reason why I went with a Suzuki when we bought a boat is because I live in Mercury and Yamaha country...that's all you see here. Actually all three (Merc Yamaha Suzuki) are great. I hear good things from owners all the time. Honda doesn't seem to be a big player in outboards anymore like they use to.
Agreed most make a strong motor and service coverage is one of the most important factors
Well, we just learned Honda has a new 350hp. Until recently I lived in Jacksonville with a large Naval and Coast Guard presence. I don’t know if it’s still the same, but about ten years ago Coast Guard personnel told me that based on their experience they had standardized on Honda outboard‘s exclusively. Personally, I think they have better data and procedures for selecting reliable outboards than the typical weekend fishermen. I think you could consider features, looks, price and whatever else you like or don’t like and exercise your choice, but without thinking you are buying a superior brand consistently more reliable than the others. I’ve been in this long enough to have run Wizard, SeaBee, Scott-Atwater, Firestone, and a couple more in addition to the ones most folks know today.
@@guermeisterdoodlebug7980 Hey thanks for the comment, but I beg to differ. I'm not sure what the governments/coast guard criteria is for buying products, but here in the Northwest the coast guard has all Mercury outboards, and in Alaska they have Yamaha's.
Coast guard here had modern two stroke opti max Mercs here for years because they can outrun anything, but they are transitioning to Merc four stokes now.
I'm a big fan of Honda products, but I've noticed that they just don't have the mystique and presence in the market like they once had. (motorcycles, quads outboards etc.) Most of the Honda people are like myself, from the 70's and 80's generation.
I have no reason to disagree with what you say, and I’m not pushing one view over the other. If I were buying a boat and choosing a motor, I would probably take Suzuki, but not because I truly know all Suzukis are better than all of some other brand, rather just because I think they are good and want to try one. Coincidentally, just yesterday I bought a new boat, factory-equipped with Yamaha, no choice. I would have still bought it if equipped with Suzuki, Mercury, or Honda. As I said in another part of this thread, there’s far more in here about how people feel than what they know (including me). Some want to bolster their arguments by saying what fishing guides do, or the Coast Guard does, or some other entity or group. I am amused at thinking that because someone guides fishing parties he necessarily knows more about outboard motors than I do- maybe because I know too many guides. Someone else is arguing that Suzukis are just superior to Yamahas. One would think that boat manufacturers, such as mine, have a pretty good perspective on outboard motor quality so why would they exclusively use Yamaha instead? Reiterating my earlier comment, all modern outboards are really good so buy what pleases you. So far, no one has changed my opinion that local dealer and service network is probably the most important factor.
Now, if you really want to start something, ask folks, what’s the best brand of truck to tow their boat with. Ain’t it wonderful to have all these choices so people can each make theirs and then argue why it’s better than others’? @@martinschulz9381
@@guermeisterdoodlebug7980 Thanks for the comment. Funny you should mention, I read in the forums all the time "that's what the guides do" to make their point.
Have fun with your new boat...I'm sure you'll b happy with the Yamaha.
Here's my two cents, for what it's worth.
First, I'm a Merc fan -- although I've never owned one. I like to buy 'Made In America' whenever possible.
Also -- I am NOT a mechanic and barely even mechanically inclined, just another Joe-schmo with an opinion, and limited knowledge.
I've owned four boats (all used), but will only mention the current and previous ones since we're talking about Yammis and Zukes.
PREVIOUS BOAT: I bought a 2009 NauticStar 2200 TE bay boat w/ a Yamaha F250 3.4L in 2012 with, just shy of, 200 hrs on it. That Yamaha motor started every, single time without fail, and NEVER left me stranded due to Yamaha-related mechanical issues. The ONLY problems I had with that motor were self-inflicted.
I hit some rocks, at speed, down in the Keys and blew the lower unit wide open. Gears were hanging out the side and prop was bent all to hell. Another time I was too shallow for too long and sucked so much mud it stopped peeing and I had to limp back to the dock.
Neither of those were the fault of Yamaha, but mine. I always did my own preventative maintenance on it, and that motor ran flawlessly up until I recently sold it to my son w/ almost 500 hrs on it.
CURRENT BOAT: Recently bought a 2014 26' Twin Vee (Late August 2023) center console w/ twin Suzuki 140's (2012 models), with about 330 hrs on them. The port engine's No. 1 cylinder has low compression and that motor shakes really bad at idle. My mechanic had me try to run some Mercury fuel additive through it to see if it was from [low speed trolling] carbon build-up, but I've run enough fresh fuel w/ additive through it (at speed) and it didn't make a difference. I'm taking it back in after Memorial Day because I think he's going to have to do some internal work.
If anyone has any, I'm open to suggestions before I take it in.
My question is this...... Why is my Suzuki experiencing compression problems with only 330 hrs? Is this normal ? Anyone else have these same problems ??
I have a maritime 23d with a 2009 etec 225. I bought the boat with intention to repower but i did a bunch of pass due maintenance and its so fast and reliable. Im shocked.. i only heard bad things but ive ran 70+ miles offshore n back with zero issues. But like you i have an itch to get a new 4 stroke. I had the driveshaft squealing on my Yamaha and the remidy is to drop the lower unit and use yamaha wr2 greese on the shaft splines and a tiny bit on the brass bushing.
Agree with you on the Suzuki! Plus Suzuki uses a timing chain over Yamaha's timing belt, which requires more maintenance. Suzuki's warranty is twice that of the Yamaha and way cheaper to purchase! Where I live in Tampabay Florida 90% of the fishing guides are running Suzuki's! I would say they know more about motor qualities than anyone.
100% agree with everything you said
I have a Suzuki and love it, but here in the Northwest, BC, and Alaska most of the guides have Mercs and Yamaha's. Has a lot to do with the area and its dealer network.
I like Suzuki, but because one is a fishing guide doesn’t mean he knows more about outboard motors than I do. This has been a rather interesting thread, but one thing is clear: it’s much more about how people feel about things than what they know.
Lol, 12 years of service on a commercial crab boat without ever touching the timing belt.....
If you have to change that timing chain you might think differently.
The sound or the lack of sound is what you want and as far as the noise going into gear is most likely your idle is a hair to high .
Thank you for sharing this informative video, if what is the better choose the outboard engine for boat. For me maybe I choose Yamaha engine. Thank you. Am watching from naic cavite. Philippines!
You still can't beat Etec when it comes to torque, wieght to power ratio, fuel economy and easy maintenance.
I will say, though, that Evinrude oil keeps getting more expensive every year....
Sorry for the off-the-subject question.......what Brand and Model are those sunglasses ?
thanks
There seems to be a pretty big misconception that a Suzuki timing chain is far superior to a Yamaha timing belt. It isn't. I prefer timing chains on cars but these aren't car engines. A Yamaha timing belt will last at least 1000hrs before needing replacement and its very easy and relatively inexpensive to replace one. If a timing chain or associated components needs replaced it is a much tougher and expensive job. If the cylinder head has to come off it is more complicated with a chain. Suzukis also seem to corrode a lot worse than Yamahas in identical conditions. Resale value can't be underestimated- A Yamaha is ALWAYS worth more used and is easier to sell than a Suzuki. Both are good, but so are Honda and Tohatsu
Great insight! Thank you!
Feb 21 i bought a new suzi 115. 12.5 k out the door. JP Motorsports, Chula Vista, Ca. The Yamaha quote was 18.5 k.
Do you still like the engine?
@@Bythewater absolutely. Performs as advertised. About 250 hours.
You get what you pay for...
@@kenneth9874 He got a brand new 115hp OB from a top Japanese manufacturer, that has performed as advertised for 3 years/250 hours. He paid 12.5k for this. Are there other 115hp OB's that cost more doing more than this? Are these other OB's curing cancer or predicting the NASDAQ or something?
Sorry to hear your issues with the etec. I have a 90 etec and it's awesome but I recently bought a new boat came with a merc. Just curious did you consider a mercury?
Saw a Suzuki 150 on a smaller bay boat at a local marina...it was super quiet.
The etec I have is SO loud
These days all major brands make reliable fuel efficient engines but most people overlook corrosion resistance when deciding and in this area I think Suzuki may be the worst.
Great point! Who’s the best with corrosion resistance? I know Yamaha had some issues with one of their outboards
@@Bythewater Mercury has the best metal combinations for corrosion resistance, I've read they use less copper in their alloys when they cast the engines, problem is people still think they aren't reliable.
SIM Yamaha is the best. I owned an F150 several years ago and he was all about customer satisfaction!!!!!
Why not go with the Suzuki 140 same block as the 115
For me it comes down to cost. I’d only be gaining a few mph and spending about 2k more. For a heavier boat I could definitely see the benefit
@@Bythewaterwhat a penny pincher I would go with the 140
My 200 E-TEC is good on fuel but 90 percent of my running is at cruse speed which is 3500 rpm but you go over that all day yes it will chug the fuel down .
I’m replacing my Suzuki DF150, (which I bought 2nd hand), due to corrosion. I see some talk about Yamaha being less susceptible to corrosion. Pls comment on how Yamaha’s technology helps prevent corrosion. Pls also comment if Suzuki have dealt with this issue in their latest models (2023/4), thank you
I had a discussion about this with my mechanic. His opinion is that the best decision is whichever brand is closest to your latitude. His thinking is that temperature variations impact the corrosiveness of salt water. That is definitely true, but I'd need to look at some data to back up the claim. That advice was tempered with the caveat that all the big 4 brands to an excellent job on preventing corrosion these days...tuff to differentiate on that factor.
I think the best thing you can do is replace your anodes well before you "need" to. And if you keep your boat in the water, get a grounding weight.
Yamahas corrosion painting process came from Mercury. They have been doing this for many years. You get what you pay for.
Good point!
Look folks - today they are all good. Buy from the dealer you trust and will give you the best service, have parts and the one that best fits your boat.
Both Japanese. Both great. Buybtge one who has gas a closer/better rep service or whichever you can get the best deal one.
Three years ago I boufgt a Yamaha F70 because of the weight. The F70 weighs the same as the Suzuki DF 60.
F70 is a great motor
etec best performance, yamaha best quality, suzuki mercury some new and some old design...
The Merc pro xs 115 is so dang appealing to me but I question the reliability, especially in salt water.
Agreed on the reliability aspect. I’ve heard nothing but good things but my previous experience makes me weary going back
Lol, Mercury has the best corrosion protection with patented formula built into their blocks. They have their own foundry. Got to do your homework. Oh and they come with a 5 year warranty..
@@spinfish1434 A marine mechanic at a Suzuki dealer told me the same thing. He said that the Merc aluminum is just better in salt water.
@@martinschulz9381 You don’t see the Corrosion issues with Mercury that you do with Yamaha and Suzuki.. Mercury’s metallurgy formula is patented and kept secret.
Get the suzuki SS 115, mich better option than a pro xs, most of the pro XS coolant system is black plastic hose and zip ties!
All outboards are so superior to what they were not many years ago that I think you just pick the one with the best local dealer/service network.
Exactly!
Good video, the last year Evinrude was building engines they made a 150 hp 3 cylinder G2. All though not many were built these motors are fantastic, and would have performed great on your skiff. Fast, light weight, great fuel mileage, No maintenance for 5 years. But unfortunately Evinrude is no longer a choice.
Agreed! The etec that’s on there now pushes the boat fast and I have a great etec mechanic nearby. It’s a shame they discontinued them
They’re crap. Evinrude G2s are loud, inefficient and all round annoying. They look good though.
Hello from Finland! I have df 175 apx, 2018... Over 700 hours now, and working great. I have had many outboard in 30 years, and i have to say Suzuki is best option in my opinion.
Better gear shifting an fuel economy vs other brands. Only thing what i don`t like my 175 is that there is no neutral lock in remote control unit, and you have to be carefully when putting shift to the neutral position.
Good and cheap propeller option for these 150 and bigger is SOLAS AMITA 3-e-plus, 15,3*23 is mine and works really well.
Agreed on all points. Especially with the neutral lock. I’ve seen people accidentally slip it in to fwd and almost cause some serious damage
What speed do you get with that solas? I just bought that exact same prop and size for my 6.5m RIB with df175. Hoping for 45 knots. Getting 38 knots with a 16x21.5
@@stacky86you won't get 45 knots 😂
@@johnboy5167you are right.... I got 46knots! Garmin GPS speed verified. Delighted with the new prop. Slightly slower hole shot but better cruising fuel economy and higher top speed.
@@stacky86 l will still fly past you in my 7 metre plate aluminium offshore boat 😁
Isn't the 115 and 140 Suzuki the same weight
Correct, same weight because 115 is a detuned 140. But the cost to upgrade doesn’t make sense for me to gain a few mph
How can you compare The Etec 150 to a 115 of any brand?
Weight when repowering older boats is a huge concerns. 115 four strokes are about the same weights as 150 etecs
I just reposted with twin Suzuki 250s with fly by wire gauges and steering. 53k out the door
Damn that’s a nice price! What kind of boat did you repower?
It’s like buying a Honda civic (Yamaha) or a Mitsubishi Mirage (Suzuki) 🤔 😮
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Hee hee 😜
Yamaha!
Is there something that will tell you the max weight or engine HP?
If you Google the boats year, make, and model you should be good to go
Real of Hull or near engine mount should tell you your max rating for power/weight.
Yamaha from grand pianos to the V10 engine in the Lexus LFA they make beautiful things and like you said it’s lighter!🧠🤯🔫
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I’ve been working on outboards for some time now have to say Yamaha is the best we had a bit of problems with oil filters blowing and Suzuki blocks corroding out completely bit I will say They do make a really good engine
Thanks for the comment! That’s crazy about the Suzuki block corroding!
Then you would know about the Yamaha corrosion issues. For me it would be Suzuki all day. But ATM I’m not ready, My 225HO G2 is still going great. But I would likely go Suzuki.
@@Skits_Missions sho engines are strictly fresh water engines Suzuki’s have a common problem with blowing oil filters and the smaller ones will corrode though the head of the engine
@@craftops22Yamaha sho engines are not strictly fresh water engines 😂 they can handle anything
Just bought a new 15hp Honda, didn’t like the idea of fuel injection on the Suzuki any thoughts on the Honda?
Honda’s are reliable motors but they’re a little heavy and priced higher than the Suzuki and I believe Yamaha as well. But overall a great choice
@@Bythewater you know that’s what was weird it was a little cheaper then both at my dealer not much but like 2-3 hundred
Honda is behind in technology and weight. Old designs just newer package. Go to any boat show you’ll find very few. They don’t take Marine propulsion as serious as Mercury and it shows.
First time for everything...first time I've ever heard anyone prefer a carb over EFI.
@@glamdring0007 in all fairness honda 15hp is 46kg and carbd but with accelerator pump, yamaha are 51kg and just carbd (they are heavy heaps and sluggish from personal experience), however Suzuki are EFI and 44kg, I can assure you suzuki are much better, however if required i would get a honda over a yamaha
can u do a crab tier list like ur favorite to eat?
Have you considered the 115 SS Suzuki? Just put one on a pontoon boat and my customer got 7 more MPH out of his old bone of a boat we replaced an old sloppy max with a dead cylinder
I probably would end up going with a 115. The price cannot be beat!
The Suzuki 115hp and the 140hp are the same platform and weight
Yep, but for the increase in price I don’t see the increase in speed or performance being worth the cost
What about mercury?
Solid choice as well but at a similar price point to Yamaha. For me if I’m paying Yamaha prices I’d prefer to take a Yamaha
Nobody in here going to argue that Scott-Atwater is best?
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Suzuki known for getting water in the oil seen alot for sale
What size Maritime Skiff? In similar situation & looking to re-power Currituck 22.
It’s a 20ft Maritime D
Suzuki 140 ?
get what ever the cheapest is, youre probably never gonna use the warranty, and who cares about fuel efficiency if youre not a off shore boat. i have a f90 yamaha 2018 and zero issues, my warranty expires at the end of 2024 ,mine had extende warranty not the basic 3 year. i also have a friend with a 2019 suzuki 115 and the only issue he had was corrosion i n the fuel pump , from water in the tank , other than that no issues with it
should have used 140 suzuki, ways the same as the 115
But it cost more and gets less mpg for a marginal gain in speed. Pass
@@Bythewater i had a 140 , i beleive much more power and speed then the 115 fuel not that much diffrence because the 140 no reving and working so hard . no comparision
Suzuki 140 weighs the same as the 115
Mercury Beats Suzuki and Yamaha..
*Mercury 455lbs 60Amp Alternator.. 5 Yr Warranty.
*Suzuki 522lbs 44Amp Alternator.. 5 Yr Warranty.
*Yamaha 509lbs. 50Amp Alternator.. 3 Yr Warranty.
**Mercury just as Reliable, that’s backed up in Owner reviews. Mercury leads the industry in innovation, 1st with Digital Controls, Power Steering, v10 and v12 up to 600hp. Do your research.
How does the price compare?
@@Bythewater I Repowered my Contender with twin Mercury 200’s, the Yamaha package was $6k more. The Suzuki 200’s were $3k less. **The Mercury’s were V6’s vs the others I4’s. The Mercury’s were lighter weight and the Warranty covered more then the Suzuki’s. It was a No brainer after looking under the cowlings, Mercury appeared better thought out, better materials and design. They’re all good but the Mercury is a better system.
Suzuki 💯💯💯💯💯
I think more and more people agree with you
I know the squeal your talking about at idol no doubt
So darn annoying
SMIB!
A Suzuki is not more economical than a yammy how much are you getting paid to say that Suzuki is good but Yamaha is better
Yamaha period! Sorry I disagree
I can see why you’d choose a Yamaha. It’s probably the best out there but a Suzuki is on far behind
my best is suzuki
Agreed!
Just sold my 130hp Yamaha (2017) as I found it unreliable with only 140 hrs on it . Bought a new boat with a 150 hp Suzuki
Honda has the best warranty and best fuel consumption ❤ and they have vtec
Smart boarders buy Honda.
Suzuki make bad motors period
No shit it’s all about fuel efficiency, saving money!
If you want high HP and a speed demon, a skiff isn’t your boat
You're a know it all
Yamaha makes a better outbound PERIOD
I have had Yamaha and suzuki outboards. I had alot more problem s with the Yamaha motors. My suzuki has had no problems what so ever.
That’s what I hear Suzuki has a better engine better warranty and last for ever .
I think Suzuki engines are more reliable than Yamaha engines..!!!
Both are pretty darn reliable but in my personal experience I’ve had better luck with Suzuki
Yup It’s the elephant in the room lmao
What makes you say that?
they are more reliable than yamaha
@@vikingsmbthey are not
Now ya have a Yamaha lol
Nope still have the etec 😂
There just is NO better outboard than the Suzuki. Hands down. Especially in salt water. Do the research and you will see why the Zuk smokes the Yamaha.
What a load of crap fanboy 😂
Honda
Too heavy for my application
Boring like watching paint dry
😂😂 criticism noted 🤣🤣
Watch my Re-Power Series with Performance Specs. Mercury Wins..
Everything must not be entertaining and fun.
I like the presentation very much. In detail with his own experiences from different outboard engines.
Just rude dude. Send the link to your entertaining video 😅
suzuki are a lot lot better due to the fact that their 9.9b and above are EFI and light, their 15hp is EFI and 44kg, yet yamaha same hp are 51kg and carbd, yamaha are heavy engines and use old tech, stay away from yamaha
Good to know!
Biggest load of dribble l have ever heard 😂
Not sure about the little toy engines but the Suzuki engines are all heavyweight compared to Yamaha in the larger sizes l run a Yamaha 250 sho on my boat and it will blow a Suzuki 300 of the water easily 😅
@@johnboy5167 you talk dribble
@@vikingsmb that would be you talking the dribble 😄😁