Plain vs FANCY!...Federal .45 Auto Battle!
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- Testing some Federal Premium HST and Federal Personal Defense ammo in .45ACP. Does the premium price offer premium performance? Heavy clothing ballistic gel test using a Rock Island Armory 1911.
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A handgun bullet which expands to a diameter that dwarfs a 12-gauge shotgun slug is absolutely amazing. The HST in .45 is indeed, like you said, the alpha round.
Crazy good stuff.
@@ToolsandTargets qq+
The expanded 45 was .1 larger than a non-fired 12g.
Except a self-defense slug will have around twice the velocity and nearly five times the energy.
You 45 worshipers really do drink some crazy Kool-Aid.
It's a very good round for sure, but you're comparing a rifled musket to a cannon.
A center shot and no surgeon could put Humpty back together again.
For decades i carried a glock 30 as my off duty and personal firearm. I used federal ammo, usually hydra shoks. Some times my round would expand when i tested the ammo some times not but a 45 is still a .45. If my bullet expanded it was amazing otherwise i figured it was good enough. Bullet tech has come a long way and as i have aged into my fifties i decided it was time to get a smaller lighter firearm and carry a 9mm now. Thank you for testing these rounds as both are in my gun safe.
The trifecta. A subsonic round that punches an .80 caliber hole 16 inches deep. Can't ask for much more from a handgun. 👏
Fantastic stuff.😎👊
Yep, a 12ga. slug is in the neighborhood of .72 so that's a helluva hole made by a handgun.
When I gave my son my Colt 1911, I also gave him a box of HSTs. And, for my diehard FMJ friend, your previous HST test opened his eyes, and I gave him a box of HSTs for his birthday. 👍
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HST is a good bullet in most calibers. They never seem to let you down in the gel test. . Thanks for video.
Yessir. They earn their paycheck.😎👍
I can't tell you how much I appreciate these tests. Gotta love HST. Awesome video, as always, brother.
Appreciate the support, my friend!😎👍
HST looked awfully good. You know after you show good performance on a round the local prices go up 10% the next day 😂. Good job!!
😂😂😂 I gotta start buying all I want from my local shop before I show stuff too. People not too far away buy it up after I show it.😆😆😆
@@ToolsandTargetsBut the crappy stuff should drop 20% & it doesn't. Not fair. 😂😂
If you happen to find an old box the Federal Tactical Bonded is really good as well. I'm out of the .45 but still carry the 135 gr + P in my 9mm.
The Federal blue box had extremely good standard deviation. Tight, tight! Can't say that for the HST Premium.
Federal Premium in Nosler has been my go to in .270 since the late 80's or early 90's...Never saw any caliber in Federal Premium that wasn't top tier...awesome bullet yes indeed.
Doesn't surprise me. The blue box is fairly old. Back when at least one or two people gave a crap about what they were doing.
I swear you're the hardest working man on UA-cam, Tools! Thanks again!
Appreciate that!😎👊
I second that. You do an amazing job sir keep it up please 👍
@@sanhxhebsbbb1048 Thank you sir.
Sexiest man too
You betcha! You put the muscle to the hustle!👍😁
Nice!!! Ole Dolly would be proud of your version. 😂. The HST is just a beast in .45. When I carry my G30 I have it topped off with the 230+p HST’s. I’ve actually taken a pig with it and my G20 and both bullets looked almost like that except a couple petals were a little bent where it went through a rib but performed perfectly. I wasn’t holding my breath with this test. It’s just a top tier round. Awesome video as always 👍🇺🇸
Definitely a beast of a round.😎👍
HSTs are hard to beat, It's what my mags are stuffed with, great test my friend! 👍 🇺🇸
Thank you sir. I should have had no doubt.😎👍
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Very surprising that both met the speed criteria. But the surprising star of the show was the HST. I didn't think it would perform as good like you said. 👍
Great stuff.
@@ToolsandTargets don't let the 890fps fool you, a retired individual assured me how effective 45acp hst rounds are in a self defense situation, and his side arm wasn't even a 5inch barrel. He was talking within ten feet but said everyone who carries should be using them because of how immediately effective they are, and it was 45acp regardless what the nay sayers claim, he says bs because they got the job done with horrifying results in 45acp.
That 45 ACP HST is an absolute beast! Thanks for the video.
It's no joke.
The HST performed as well as expected. A little disappointing that the blue box didn't hardly expand...still would leave a big hole though.
Yep, it would let the juice out for sure.
I get a kick out of buying and trying different kinds of hollowpoints but everytime I watch one of your HST gel tests it proves to me I only really need to stockup on one brand lol HST is the king! Good video Tools. You deserve all the views and subs that are inevitably headed your way.
I think the same thing when I test em. Appreciate that!😎👊
I’ve never been disappointed with the HST in any caliber. That stuff is the real deal!
Yes it is.
I had a thought...since there are always variations in the muzzle velocity from round to round, have you ever taken the 'loser' and fired 5 shots into the jelly contraption to see if any of the 5 expand? The single shot test might have been a lower velocity round. With .45 ACP, a small difference in muzzle velocity could make a big difference in expansion (compared to faster calibers). Great video. That HST is no joke!
Thank you sir. I don't have the time to do something like that and keep pumping out videos almost daily. The problem is it doesn't matter how long I make the videos by putting in more content, it will only get watched for the same amount of time as a standard 10 to 15 minute gel video. Blame UA-cam watchers short attention span.😆
As expected, HST crushes the competition 😊
Guess I shouldn't even be surprised anymore.😎👍
I've been handloading and shooting the HST for several years, and it has replaced my old standbys of the old Remington Golden Saber and the Speer Gold Dot (Both good performers). It is the bullet loaded in my bedside 45 ACP 13 shot XD, and when I carry a 45 ACP for defense, it is my goto bullet of choice loaded to +P pressure at 925fps.
Nice to know what you're gonna get from em.😎👍
@@ToolsandTargets We knew years ago by shooting them in wet newsprint, clay and then the old type ballistic gel. Thanks for the clear gel test
I used to deer hunt with the Winchester white box 230 JHP. It was a lot like the blue box Federal but it did a good job on deer out to 50yd.
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The blue box was amazingly consistent and left a decent track, but HST once again impresses. Haven’t tried the blue box, have some HST’s for my G36. Thanks for the test Tools!
Yeah, both of em left some good marks.😎👍
Well, the old school jhp was designed before heavy clothing gel testing was a thing . The various old school 230 jhp do pretty well with less cloth In-between.
And the old timers would point out " A 230 jhp that doesn't expand , is still at least as good as Hardball " .
Another good one Tools ! that HST has ridiculous expansion ! makes me want a new tool in 45 acp !
Thank you sir.😎👊
Once again the HST doesn't disappoint... Maybe try to get your hands on the +P version and test it out of some different barrel lengths if you could 😉 👍
Got a few boxes of +P's.😎👍
Ehh . .82 expansion, and 16 inch penetration, isn't leaving anything on the table .... in a 5 inch .
The potential purpose for a +P , would be for shorter bbls to get velocities closer to the std round from the 5 inch .
The Federal HST is always a good choice in a lot of calibers. Sometimes not the best, but always near the top.
Yessir. Great stuff on this one.😎👍
HST just performs. Out of our 3.3 S&W Shields we never got less than 850 and most ran @ 870s with +P offering. My wife and one of my daughters carry the +P HST in this Shield. Every type of test we put it through it looked like your sample here. Good test.
Thank you sir. I was torn between using the standard or +P. I personally would use +P in any caliber when I have the choice, but I know some people don't like to.
@@ToolsandTargets We ran a 5 round test out of all of our Shields a few years ago with all the main offerings standard and +P. My ladies are typical sized young adult "healthy" ladies. I am a largish fella exceeding 6' tall and 200 & too much 😃. None of us could discern any difference in recoil from standard to +P. Can you tell it?
Great video, I love my HST’s. You are definitely one of the best on UA-cam. Thank you.
Thank you sir.😎👊
Not only did you give me info on those awesome grips but you gave me a Reba reference and a Dr Phil reference lol. Great video T!
😜 Thank you sir.😎👊
The HST is the way to go for 45acp.. Great Ammo test Tools 👍🇺🇸..
Yes indeed. Thank you sir.😎👊
That blue box did ok but the HST is the Star 🌟for sure! Good stuff brother! 💥💥
I don't want either one comin at me.😆
That aint no doubt! me neither!! lol
👍👍Thanks tools. To me this test shows how important bullet construction is and although you need a certain amount of velocity rounds can expand at a lower velocity if the bullet is constructed correctly. Also that is a really good looking pistol with those grips.
Thank you sir. Definitely a great example.
First of all, I wanna thank you for always responding to the comment. I have an extra suggestion on the Phoenix Arms hp22a or hp25a. See what kind of ammo run in the gun. The gun is known for being picky with ammo.
You gonna cause me to have to buy one of them things just to test.😂
Nice to see a full weight 230gr perform HST 💥🏆
Yep. That's a lot of weight.
No reason to doubt the .45 230 gr HSTs. Of course you know that now. These have been my go to in my bedside .45 for at least 5 years now. Awesome test! Tool is the Springfield XDS, probably the most ergo .45 I've ever had, with 13 +1 of "breaking in here was a really bad idea" 230 gr HSTs.
They'll do the job.😎👍
And is the reason I carry hst. It does as advertised. I carry the same one in my 42 it is a good combo. Usp is filled with hst too.
Looks like I need to pick up a box of HST's for when I want to carry the 1911. Great video Tools!
Thank you sir.😎👍
The 230 grain HST is what's in my EDC pistol. I have seen that same performance from a 3.3" barrel.
From watching all your tests I have to say thank you and now all my carry guns have HST or Gold Dot's in them.
Nice 😎👊
One of the reasons I love watching your channel is to see what kind of Jelly Time it is.
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No surprise, the HST did absolutely fantastic Stay Safe and God Bless 🙏🙏
They just keep on keepin on.
HST is hard to beat! Never used blue box. Good video Tools!
Thank you sir. Hope you're doing good!
HST continues to show why it is the king of self defense rounds. 🇺🇸
Just so good.
Didn't even know federal made blue box personal defense. Keep on showing us those options Tools!
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Nice Test. Great expansion and penetration from the HST. The only reason I don't carry a 45 is the decreased capacity compared to 40 and 9mm.
Some big ol chunks of lead.😆
Mine carries 15 rounds. If 15 rounds of 45acp doesn't get the job done, you got big troubles amigo.
My XD.45 13 rounds till we got banned in NJ to 10 rounds
They make double stacks! Check out Para Ordinance.
Man, those HST’s continue to amaze me. Another great video, as usual. I simply have to watch every new vid you produce.
Would love to see tests of the way that many companies load .45 now: 160 - 180 grain hollow points.
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Nice test with interesting results Tools. Even if you can't go the HST, price or availability, the blue box might be good enough. Either way I don't want to be on the receiving end of either round.
Be vigilant and always be safe my friend.
Yeah, either one of these would spell a bad day.😆
Get 2 box of hst and 10 boxes of fmj then.
HST wins again. I just picked up a box of 230g Sig v-crowns for a good price an hour ago. Wonder how they do out of a 3.3 inch, because that's where they're going.
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That HST looks devastating !!!
Yeah it does.
Beautiful performance. I wish you would have included a shorter barrel tool as a comparison, although I’m sure you probably already did that in another video. Thx
I love your videos! Straight to the point and showing the performance of the cartridges! If you could find some older Winchester 180 grain Silvertips (or something similar), I'd like to see that jell block performance.
Appreciate that. I'll do some digging.😎👍
Dont know why would anyone save a couple dollar and buy crappy ammo to bet its life on it. A good bullet its priceless
That blue box stuff uses the old Hi Shock bullet design from many decades ago. I think they're a pre Hydra-Shok bullet.
Man, HST has been the king for several years now, and at standard velocity too.
Thanks for another fine round of jelly time testing.
Yeah, it really is great stuff.😎👍
Thanks for the test. I don’t carry the 45acp anymore but I’ve still got a half a dozen or so. I was surprised at the expansion at such a low velocity
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A good 230gr JHP in a 5" 1911 is still relevant today. My ears didn't even ring after firing 6 230gr Hydrashoks out of a Gold Cup to stop a burglary next door back in the 90s. The report on those was so mild but I think they had a decent reputation in police shootings. I'd skip this blue box and I think the HST is a bit louder but still way kinder than any 40 or 9mm+P to say nothing of either 357. For those who think this doesn't matter try firing one inside a house if you can do so safely. This is why a 1911 with a 5" bbl and 230gr standard pressures makes a great night stand choice. You shouldn't suffer permanent hearing loss just because evil had to learn the hard way.
Very true.😎👍
Ya know, i had a long and rough day today, and all i could think of was getting home with some Taco Bell, and watchin some T&T
And now im doin exactly that!
And seein the HST perform like it did is just the cherry on top!
Now you got me wanting Taco Bell!😆😆😆
@@ToolsandTargets Tools, Targets, and Taco Bell!
Will definitely get some of the HST very nice expansion. Another great video keep them coming 👍.
Thank you sir. They weren't messin around.
Lol I was gonna ask you about the those sweet grips too. Keep up tha great work
Thanks for another great jelly test. No contest the HST rules. Have a great evening and keep shooting 😊.
Yessir.😎👊
Interesting results. I like to use the full length Government Model when possible but It's realy handy to tote around the Commanders, Officer Models.
My good friend is a K9 deputy .couple years ago he was involved in a shooting . Lady pulled a .380 .. wouldn’t put it down..fired a round luckily it didn’t hit my friend.. he Carries G21 with 230+p HST … it was a one shot stop with the 230 HST.. not scientific but it is real world performance..
Sounds about right.
"Cash Me Outside How Bout Dat" 😆 them HSTs is some badass Gucci Flipflops 🤣 Have a good one brother see you on the next one.
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HST for the big win, another great tools test, Keep them coming brother
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The start of the video kinda sounded like this:
We ought to have just enough room to drive a garbage truck through this, so let's go try to drive two garbage trucks through it at once.
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🤣🤣🤣🤣 You're not wrong. It was close quarters with these big boys and I aint the best with a 1911 to begin with. I was expecting about 3 or 4 shots and a hot mess in the gel when it was all said and done.
For 45 the 230 grain hydroshok is best rated at 900 fpe and I get 898 average rocks.
The only good thing about being old. Is I've had time to stock up on ammo when it was cheap. I have 1000's of rounds of HST in all calibers I own.
Definitely a good thing to have.
The rational me knows it's not the caliber, it's the placement (assuming sufficient oomph to get to the essential plumbing). BUT there's just SOMETHING about a .45 that makes me believe in it beyond any other non-magnum round. :D The blue-box wasn't super but would still put a hurting on a bad guy (and anyone behind him), better than ball, IMHO. But that HST ... wow, can I get an Amen?
My old dept way back in the day issued 230 gr Hydra-Shoks. If I didn't still have several boxes of those, I'd be scouting the local stores for some HSTs.
Amen!😎👊
And that, ladies and germs, is why the .45ACP makes the 9 Minimal a backup round, at best, because the .45ACP STARTS OUT at that caliber and only gets better with quality loads whereas the 9 Minimal HAS to expand to be anything approaching effective as a fight stopper.....Unless you are shooting it out of a submachinegun of course.
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In my Glock 21 I use PDX1’s Hornday and Remington umc’s 230g &185g jhp’s. I haven’t seen the federal hst’s around here in the Deep South. Good shooting.
Thank you sir.😎👍
The HST is a phenomenal design, it’s performance is no surprise. I’m curious as to how the original benchmark, the Hydra-shok, would compare to the current champ HST.
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Once again, the hst proves why it’s the best choice regardless of caliber.
Facts
Almost any 45 round even it it does not expand is nearly half a inch...lol.Fudds just adore it, it is the ultimate Fudd cartridge.
Wabbit Season!💥🐰💥
@@ToolsandTargets Fudds get weel angwee is you dis tha 19 eweven.Arthwitis flares up...
I appreciate your intelligence and mathematical skills that you apply to ballistic statistics.
Thank you sir.😎👍
That HST was beautiful! Good video. Thanks Tool. 👍🇺🇸
Thank you sir.😎👊
Would love to see you do a video on 45 penetration for black bear. No high dollar ammo just standard 45 acp ammo.Which shows the best penetration in case of a black bear attack.
Shoot! More ammo to collect! Ive never seen that federal blue box jhp. I want a box for my collection and I want it NOW! Thanks for another cool vid!
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Great jelly test Tools love the HST Stay Safe Stay 2A Strong 🇺🇸
Thank you sir. It always seems to get the job done.😎👍
Hey TT, excelent video as usual, thanks!
Thank you sir.😎👊
That Blue Box is really a head scratcher. What are they doing there? Its like needing a convertible in the lineup and cutting off the top section of a sedan to get there.
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Great review brother. Thanks for sharing Sir. I am learning a lot from you buddy. Keep those great videos coming!
Thank you sir. Appreciate that.😎👊
HSTs make pretty flower blooms!
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That's where the term night and day came from!!! 😂😂😂👊👍
Perfect example.😆
Good to see the standard pressure HST do so well as that's what I use in my FNX. 15+1 should get the job done.
I'd say so.😎👊
Good test. HST looks perfect. I would use the lighter HST for carry. Some 45 autos have shorter barrels that might not make the right speed for expansion.
Thank you sir.
Actually it has been tested out of shorter barrels and was a fine performer. Also the 185 grain HST of course did well. Another sold round is Speer Gold Dots 230 grain both regular and short barrel are great out of a shorter barrel .45acp.
TN outdoors 9 tested the HST 10 years ago...same results...😊
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Thank you brother tools, you just gave me a new 45 carry round (hst)
Great stuff.😎👍
This what a man will carry, I liked the blue box
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I don't carry a .45 but I do keep some 230gr HST's for home defense. It's HST for me in calibers like 9mm, .40, .45
They just plain work.😎👍
Glad the HST did what it is supposed to. Thanks.
I don't know why I had any doubts.😎👍
I have no doubt about either one of these rounds especially the HST
HST has some type of alien technology in it.💥👽💥
@@ToolsandTargets I recant my statement for the blue box. I knew nothing about those but federal makes pretty decent stuff. The HST is proven and is a little pricey but you get what you pay for.
That’s pretty insane that they can make a bullet moving that slow peel open to almost double it’s original size. The blue box was definitely a disappointment but the HST performed as well as I heard it does. I would love to see this test again with the 185gr +P versions of these round.
It is pretty crazy stuff.
Great test again Tools! Sometimes saving a few bucks up front isn't really worth it. I recently picked up a couple boxes of Remington UMC .45acp 230gr JHP for not a lot of Chinadian dollars. Have you any experience with those? Hopefully I didn't get hosed too bad LoL. Appreciate ya brother
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The only test I think I've done with them was one of the very first ones I ever did and only had a few rounds of it. They did pretty good on that one from what I remember, but might need to see if there are any around to do a new one.
@@ToolsandTargets I searched the back catalog, and sure enough there was a test! They seemed to perform decent enough considering the price point. If I could, I'd send you some to test but our governments don't like law abiding citizens sending ammunition/firearms to each other. My sister came up for Easter, but she was flying this time so she didn't bring us any goodies. She's in Chattanooga. Cheers! 👍😎
I would be interested to see if the basic bullet would perform better with the extra velocity and vice versa. Ever thought about taking two similar rounds and pulling the bullets and swapping them?
Would be interesting to see.
The 45 was designed to use the fmj,the fmj will leave a inch and a half hole, you don't need HP with a huge hole like that
HST -gitr done!! Blue box - eh, maybe for a PCC...not sure what the price difference is between them, but seems like a no brainer
Yep
Be cool to see the HST 230gr. +P test. Great video! Thanks so much for doing these tests👍
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Whoo hoooo 45!!! Awesome job Tools!
Thank you ma'am. Fantastic stuff.
Thanks tools! Will have to get a box of the HST.
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That hst did awesome..great comparison tools
Yes it did. Thank you sir.
Those hst's leave a big ol track ! Similar to road thru Fancy Gap...
Big ol hole!
I love me some HST. No matter which of my EDC weapons I'm carrying, it's loaded with HST'S.
They got it done as usual.😎👊