Star Wars: The Sequel Trilogy is Better than you Realize | Video Essay
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- Опубліковано 25 лип 2024
- One of the most infuriating things about Star Wars is the fact that no one hates Star Wars more than the fans themselves. What's even more frustrating is the prejudiced hatred that the sequel trilogy consistantly gets, when they are actually well written films (for the most part) that does solid justice to the franchise..
These movies are not perfect either, they are flawed (especially the final film). But compared to the other Star Wars films, which most people find every excuse to praise over the ST, the trilogy is unique in its own right.
In this video, I explore common complaints and misconceptions of the sequel trilogy, and explain in detail why the sequel trilogy is better than you realize.
Intro: (0:00)
The Force Awakens: (4:13)
The Last Jedi: (8:57)
Luke's story arc makes PERFECT sense: (12:59)
Poe, Rey, and Finn in TLJ: (16:00)
Rey... Mary Sue?: (17:58)
The Rise of Skywalker: (19:10)
Rey Skywalker: (26:45)
Whining: (29:01)
Kylo Ren: (30:10)
The Ultimate Flaw of Sequel Trilogy: (34:43)
Lightsaber Fights: (36:31)
Where to take the sequel trilogy's characters and stories from here: (39:04)
Conclusion: (39:36)
MUSIC CREDITS (in order of appearance):
Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker | Kylo Rens Theme - John Williams
Star Wars: The Clones Sacrifice Theme TWO STEPS FROM HELL STYLE - Samuel Kim Music
Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Final Trailer Music
Rey's Theme - John Williams
Star Wars: The Clones Theme TWO STEPS FROM HELL STYLE - Samuel Kim Music
The Jedi Steps and Finale - John Williams
Star Wars: Cal Kestis Theme EPIC VERSION - Samuel Kim Music
The First Order Theme (Violin + Piano Cover) - Red Caio
Star Wars - The Force Theme (Piano Version) - Patrik Pietschmann
Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Trailer Music [HQ Trailer Edit]
Star Wars: Luke vs Vader Theme (A Jedi's Fury) EPIC VERSION - Samuel Kim Music
Star Wars: Across The Stars CINEMATIC EMOTIONAL VERSION - Samuel Kim Music
Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Final Trailer Music
A Jedi's Fury (John Williams Cover) - Gory Rory (Composed by John Williams)
Star Wars: Ben and Rey Love Theme (Reylo Theme) CINEMATIC EMOTIONAL - Samuel Kim Music
Orchestra Darth Vader Sad Theme - Lucas King
Star Wars: Order 66 Theme | Sad Jedi Temple March - Samuel Kim Music
Star Wars: Ben Solo Theme Kylo Rens Redemption | CINEMATIC EMOTIONAL - Samuel Kim Music
Star Wars: The Force Theme EPIC CINEMATIC (Hans Zimmer Style) - Samuel Kim Music
Star Wars: Duel of The Fates | AHSOKA vs VADER Version - Samuel Kim Music
Anakin's Dark Deeds - John Williams
Rogue One Your Father Would Be Proud CINEMATIC EMOTIONAL MIX - Samuel Kim Music
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I like how he basically says “I’m sorry for liking all of Star Wars”
Believe it or not there are fans who find that to be offensive and or shill. Which is stupid.
@@Madallen2002the worst part about is that it makes you FEEL like a shill
@@Madallen2002i find it offensive when people say sequels are better than prequels
I bet none of you have rwad Hier to the Empire. Defend the stpries that could have been told and kept star wars alive.
@@jmfs1701 I’m not defending shit except my and others’ opinions there’s no reason people should get upset that someone likes something they don’t like.
Considering the fact that Hux was treated like a human punching bag in The Last Jedi, I don’t blame him for being a spy.
Expect that wasn’t why he betrayed the force order.
@@kevinnigins9488 It might’ve contributed to it.
What did he expect? That Resistance will forgive him for 5 destroyed planets?
His arc made sense, like wtf. He almost killed Kylo in last Jedi. Why are people so surprised he would want to have him lose in the end. I’m confused where the hate is coming from. If anything, the hater’s quarrel is with Last Jedi in regards to Hux’s arc, not TROS.
@@wallybloc1415 it's still mindbogglingly stupid, the problem is he's not only betrayed kylo ren but also the first order. Imagine if Himmler suddenly betray the Nazi and help the allies after the genocide he committed just because he didn't like Hitler
Star Wars fans when you like Star Wars 😡😡😡
Lol that's so true.
(Im a Star Wars fan btw)
ya@@clownprince_editz
I mean if you make a bad product yes.
Dioblo fans hated diablo immortal.
Indiana Jones Fans hated the dial of Destiny.
A lot of Marvel fans have turned away from the newer films.
And so on and so forth.
In general when younhear people complain about a franchise the loudest are allways the fans because they are the ones that carevthebmost about it.
I'm not a big fan of DC for example so I don't realy care if their movies are good or not but those who do like the source material of cause care way more about the quality of the movies.
Sequels should not be a part of star wars tbh
More than funny its actually ironic
"Luke never even touched a ship in his whole life"
Don't you remember in a new hope how he explains he bullseyed womp rats with his skyhopper?
@@iliasamer4324 a skyhopper is not a spaceship. It is an airship speeder.
@@iliasamer4324 no
The speeder is like a go kart would be in racing, you start off in something fast but Basic before driving something advanced
so as a writer you can get away with creating a gary sue character with having him say one line that he "used to bullsye womp rats with his skyhoppers"? That's a neat storytrick.
@@Yoda-wf6bu except that’s not what they do in a new hope as they actually show his ship in the background of one of the scenes and has him play with a toy version
@@maddox471 Wait, so now luke is also a "Gary Sue" with anakin? Did these people even watch the first two trilogies
Ok respectfully, there are definitely thematic meaning in the prequels
Thank you. I had no idea why this guy hated the prequels.
@@pterodactylman136 bruh did you watch the video: 0:18
B--b-b-but the prequels are lame-o. Delving into the politics of an interesting fictional universe? YuCko! Seeing the inner workings of the mysterious Jedi order? No thanks! Seeing lightsaber fights choreographed like great samurai films? Nah, bro. Watching Palpatine play 4D chess with the rest of the galaxy while being deliciously evil? Not my thing. Gimme more Reylo or something.
If only Georgie boy could direct his actors better...
@@redveinborneo4673 i rather have reylo then seeing wooden dialogue from anakin and Padme
Plot twist this whole video was for Daisy to hit him up😂
Daisy Ridley is yummy. Also I'd like to see where Rey's character goes post sequel trilogy.
@@christopherbarker1048 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Hit with Death sticks?
@@christopherbarker1048 E Y E B L E A C H
Did it work though? :O
The only thing I don't like about to sequels is that I really do think that Palpatine coming back in the 3rd was a MASSIVE cop out. And I think Fin should've been more than just a comdeic role for the last 2 movies.
I mean, palpatine coming back could’ve been really cool, if they had snoke talk about cloning & implying to him coming back & then an investigation into it then him coming back could’ve worked out very cool, but yeah they botched it
I agree, however the issue was the way he was brought back, no set up, no foreshadowing, literally just the opening crawl going Palpatine Returned!
If they had set it up in the prior movies it would’ve been much better (however that is one of the main issues with the sequels that they didn’t have a plan and were making it up as they went along, also Snoke was supposed to be the big bad until Ryan Johnson killed him off [which isn’t necessarily bad] but that had them scrambling for another villain since they couldn’t use Kylo as the main villain due to them wanting to redeem him)
I agree, however the issue was the way he was brought back, no set up, no foreshadowing, literally just the opening crawl going Palpatine Returned!
If they had set it up in the prior movies it would’ve been much better (however that is one of the main issues with the sequels that they didn’t have a plan and were making it up as they went along, also Snoke was supposed to be the big bad until Ryan Johnson killed him off [which isn’t necessarily bad] but that had them scrambling for another villain since they couldn’t use Kylo as the main villain due to them wanting to redeem him)
Fin should be having comedic role i mean just for coping mechanism but it must be handled with care overdoing can overshadow reaching his full potential .
So many Siths and Lords in tge Legends material, especially Plaguesis, what was so hard about deciding a new villain? Andy Serkis did an amazing job (Snoke), if its not broke don't fix it? I would of liked to see where the story goes??? Concept art from Awakens and Rise Of Skywalker had soo much world building, soo many details, and ideas, but they were not fleshed out in the films? I could see them Bringing back a villain after Last Jedi, but Rise could of been a whole new movie all together...They fell back on Palp as if they weren't confident about starting something new? Palp died 30 years prior to Force Awakens...soo much intrigue and mystery would of garnered more attention from sw fans...There are elements that were presented in the prequels that could been brought back for Rise Of Skywalker and made a slambang finish for SW's. Even an open ended ending to Last Jedi would of left more desired for the films that follow. In other words don't end the movies leave the last one open ended...
“I love all Star Wars movies.”
Keep this man alive.
Same don’t let those stupid haters kill him
Why can all Star Wars fans love all the episode’s even the sequel
@@A_dude_obsessed_with_rabbits exactly!!! Especially when the hate is so prevalent that it’s just a dead meme.
The sequels aren't star wars movies. They don't count.
@@ethanweimer-kopf6907 they are Star Wars movies. They count.
Very brave of you to make this video. For as long as these videos are made, the creator will receive a lot of shit. I don't agree with your points, but I can appreciate your POV and can say that you did a good job of conveying your argument. I envy you and many of these comments saying that they loved this trilogy because I really wish I did. There are definitely points that I do agree with, such as the First Order being menacing and how it's not insane for Rey to beat Kylo in TFA. People definitely judge these films more harshly than the prequels or originals when there are the same problems with them. I don't like the sequels because they don't have a cohesive or satisfying story. Having Rey, Finn, and Poe share their first scene in TROS is like having Luke, Han, and Leia not meet until ROTJ. These movies were fun but I just didn't feel any emotional attachment to anyone except for Kylo Ren. It just feels like a copy/paste of the OT with different characters. It just feels like the universe contracted rather than expanded. The Prequels showed us a different side of star wars, but the sequels don't really feel justified to me. As I said, I commend you for making this video and while I don't agree with you, I gave the video and like and subbed because this is a very well-made video.
Well-made comment
Yeah I mean the prequels weren’t that great but at least they were original and expanded the universe. I also wanna say that revenge of the sith is greatly under appreciated.
@ThatMVC Insight But who says Rey, Finn, and Poe have to meet the same way Luke, Han, and Leia meet in OT. Fans need to make up their minds about what exactly is wrong with the sequel trilogy, because first you complain that sequel trilogy is just copy/paste of OT but then you complain that sequel trilogy isn't enough like the OT.
As someone who did enjoy the sequels, I appreciate comments like this. You dislike them but you are not a hater nor a toxic fan. You recognize the good and the bad and respect others opinions. That's how a fandom should be.
@@fred7883 Well saying that something is not intelligent or passionate is very subjetive. For example, I do think Rian Johnson put a lot of passion on The Last Jedi, people may agree or disagree with his creative desitions, but he had a creative vision. On the other hand, Attack of the Clones, a movie made by Lucas, is one of the most souless movies I've seen about Star Wars.
18:39 Luke actually *has* flown before, and it’s constantly brought up in the film. He even says at the Death Star briefing that he has shot much smaller targets than the exhaust port in his T-16 skyhopper. Just a point I wanted to bring up!
I never caught that. Thanks for pointing that out!
@@TheDonovan137 no problem, mate!
@@ChrisPeteG Also Obi-Wan said: "He (Anakin) was the best star pilot in the galaxy. I understand you've become quite a good pilot yourself." My only complain about that is we never see Luke as a pilot before battle, we only hear he's good at it, but still it is a recurring theme.
@@ChrisPeteG still doesn't mean he can blow up an entire fucking base. Anakin did it as well when he was like 10
@@Kyle_Hanson I don't see your point...
Damn dude....Disney should have hired you for marketing. You could have quadrupled ticket sales. I was ready and waiting to scoff this video off this realm of existence. By the end, I even learned a little bit about myself.
Seriously though, well done bro.
I disagree with the idea that Rian left it with nothing open. Rey had been looking for a skywalker to save the galaxy the whole film. When Luke wouldn't take up the mantle she turned to Kylo who she thought she could turn. When she found out she was a nobody the next movie COULD have explored her dealing with the idea that she was a nobody and her self doubt, because how could she, a nobody from a nobody world and nobody parents, stand up to the grandchild of darth vader with an entire council of students FULLY trained by the legendary Luke Skywalker hope to stand a chance?
The next film also set up Kylo as potentially irredeemable after he killed snoke and didn't turn. Further it never answered "who are the knights of ren? and what is their relationship to Kylo? what is their beliefs?" we are told that Kylo took some of Luke's students with him, so some of them could have been the knights of ren but they did nothing with this. Even if they wanted to Redeem Kylo the Knights of Ren was a clear pathway to do so. As the pressure from this "dark jedi council" could mean that if he ever showed weakness to them they would destroy him just as easily as he destroyed snoke.
there were plenty of directions and through lines open and those were just a couple. Rebuilding the resistance could have been a whole clone wars esc mini-series to itself, the final movie could have gone literally anywhere. I do not feel it is fair or accurate to say Last Jedi forced the final film into a poor spot.
Being a Star Wars fan that loves every Star Wars film is a pretty novel concept nowadays but I’m glad to be one of them.
Well I’m one of them too.
Me too
Me too
Same here, we're the spark that light the fuel to keep these stories alive with fairness
Me three I became a Fan during the Pandemic And when I first saw all the 12 Star Wras is didn’t even care about the flaws
>Luke never touched a ship in his life
HE STATES THAT HE IS FLYING T-16 LIKE 3 TIMES IN THE MOVIE
A T16 and X Wing are 2 completely different things
@@sirmalkolm Nah. Its stated that a T-16 is used to train X-Wing pilots.
@@waffletdt5603 Where? In Legends? A T-16 Skyhopper is a civilian commercial airspeeder, not a military grade starfighter. It's like flying a cropduster one day and being able to take out an enormous alien flagship with an F-16 the next.
@@Anduril74871 Not in legends. In a handful of deleted scenes from ANH, pilots are shown to vouch for him after he takes a turn in an X-Wing simulator. Turns out, his T-16 skill helped him fly it, and all he had to learn were the controls for combat. He destroyed an entire fleet with only 2 death in the simulator. If you want to see, there is a wookipedia page talking about how similar T-16s are to X-wings. Also watch the deleted scenes.
@@sirmalkolm so is a sand speeder and Falcon
I've been trying to get myself to like the sequels more. This video and the Kylo Ren comic definitely helped a lot to get me interested in these movies again. The weird thing is I saw each one in theaters opening weekend and loved them on first viewing, and only began to dislike them after multiple viewings
You can do whatever you please but a word of advice is that you should never need a video convincing you to like something that you have a bad feeling of from the get go. I think it’s better of you trust those instincts.
The same thing happened to me. But I think it was because I was a little younger and more naive when I first saw them. I went to see each movie in theaters and I originally was okay with them just because they were Star Wars. As the years went by I realized what could have been and and how safe the sequels played it. It’s basically a reskin of the original trilogy and a watered down disneyfied version at that.
I think its because of the massive hate the sequels are getting, when everyone is hating them, it makes you hate them too
It's probably because of the boomers whining about them 24/7. It's impossible not to fall for some of their nonsense after their nonstop barrage
no if after seeing more and more of a thing you don't like it either you have serious psycho problem or the thing is unfortunately shit.@@CalSkywalker
>Somehow Palpatine returned
No.
I understand what you are saying, and I respectfully disagree.
Thats illegal
Palpatine: I will make it legal
@@vapo377 I respectfully disagree with your respectful disagreement .
I disrespectfully agree with you
I respectfully agree with the comment, because, in my eyes, the sequels make no sense for existing, seeing as how the Original Trilogy ended with the Rebellion triumphing over The Empire, it retroactively makes the sequels make no sense when they start off with the not-Empire crushing down the Not-Rebellion, but you’re allowed to like them, it’s just that among the reason that I stated, I, among other people, dislike the sequel trilogy because it has an uninteresting world, because because it’s been done before, and we never actually get the feeling of what the galaxy is like. That is just one of the many reasons that I dislike them, but you are allowed to respectfully disagree.
On their own I think the sequels are decent movies but the problem for me is that they do a poor job of fitting into the Star Wars canon and overall saga. They don’t carry the torch so to speak. If these were the first films in a new franchise maybe they would be better without the weight of the rest of the franchise
Couldn't have said it better myself I adore TLJ but it is a really bad star wars movies and unlike most I quite like Luke in the film.
That's exactly what i think
@@dolphinpower1107 well, in TLJ's defence, it tried to go new directions. Thing is, they handled the new ideas poorly. A broken and gave up Luke is a good idea as it is, but trying to kill his nephew in his sleep for seeing hints of darkness in him is awfully off-character for someone who saw the light in Darth freaking Vader, at least without more context. Rey's parents being nobodies was a good idea too, but they refused it for a stupid Palpatine twist. Message about arms dealers getting profit from both sides was good, but this story arc had a strong side-quest vibe and ultimately led nowhere. Rey beating Luke at hand to hand combat was not plausible, he's a jedi master and she has little to no experience with lightsaber. Leia teaching Poe to be less reckless was a good idea, but being mad about destroying the dreadnaught made no sense, she is a general and must understand that while they lost dozens, the First order lost about 200000 people (data from wookiepedia) and orbital cannons. The Resistance not getting help from anybody was good idea, but then who was supporting them in the first place, and why did First Order saw them as threat, if they only had one base and a number of ships? Holdo being secretive about her plan was good if she was expecting to have a spy on board, but the way she handled Poe was awful, he is a commander, not just any hotshot pilot, and instead of reassuring him she brushed him off as an annoying brat. All in all, TLJ had potential, but... It was what it was.
The biggest problem of sequels is lack of general vision of where the story will go. It has ideas, but not a coherent story.
@@user-pm3wk6lw6m completely agree the film has so much going for it but they needed someone who was a big star wars fan keeping Ryan Johnson in check and the whole Finn and Rose subplot along with a lot of the dialogue in the Poe and Haldo scenes reworked because I personally think that Rey and Kylo's scenes in the film are fantastic.
They're objectively bad though. I mean you can have a guilty pleasure and enjoy them. Like I can sit and watch TLJ and be like this is cool. But I know the holdo maneuver is a garbage plot device. The code breaker subplot is useless considering they dont even need him by the time they do get back to the resistance. Rey still is ultra-powerful for no reason. The first order and resistance chase is stupid considering the first order literally doesent need to be locked in this chase with so many alternatives to chasing them outright. And then I have a million complaints from a star wars standpoint but that doesent matter when discussing the garbage plot.
I always love finding a fellow Star Wars fan who pretty much has exactly the same views as I do. I have love for all the movies too, despite the flaws in each one. I went to go watch each of the sequels in cinema. "The Last Jedi" in particular is a standout movie for me as it was my first ever midnight release for anything and I dare say it's the strongest movie in the sequel trilogy. Watching them again now, they're all okay at best. Some great moments in each one, as well as some bad/cringe moments also. But no matter what some "fans" might have to say about it, I will always rate the sequels above Episodes 1 and 2. Those two movies usually always sit at the bottom of my list. Very insightful video! Liked and subscribed. 👍
I agree the sequels are worse now after some years of thinking about them. The strongest parts by far is Rey’s arc and Kylo rens arc and how their relationship is. The rest I could live without, specially the last movie
@@dualmoldedb3088Rey doesn’t even know how to use a lightsaber tf you on? Literally one of the worst characters in all of Star Wars. These shitcan movies are garbage and should be considered non canon
I really dislike these films, but I definitely understand and accept your opinion. The great thing about films is that people can love or hate them, it’s up to the audience.
"I respect your opinion"
The opinion: 1+1=3
Man, the like/dislike ratio really shows the fandom
Mainly because people who like dis star wars watch it
You are a bully
@@ryanbarth6691 what? XD
@@Purkler I wasn't talking to you I was talking to the legendary creator
@@ryanbarth6691 dude why do u like theese films there not about star wars and don't understand lightsabers
While I disagree with some of what you said, you argued your points very well and I came out with a lot to think about - many different points I had never considered! I'll admit that while TLJ is my favourite SW film (sometimes tied with RotS depending on how ironic I feel that day), I have never appreciated this trilogy for most of the conventional reasons. However, seeing how wonderfully you argued for them absolutely made my day and gave me much food for thought!
EDIT: The more I think about it, the more I agree with you objectively.
U know whats funny, people cry about palpatine getting revived but still accept the fact that there has been like a million siths who have been immortal (atleast in their own way)
1st, Immortality and resurrection aren't the same... 2nd, No... and 3rd, it completely ruined Vader's ending in the OT
@@thatoneguymatt987
Not completely. Darth Vader saved Luke Skywalker, soon will be a hope to the galaxt and also saved himself from further killing people or being an evil person.
Vitiate is being revived 48142 times: YES YES VERY NICE STORY
Palpatine gets revived one time: No no No wtf sOmEhOw PaLpAtIn ReTuRnEd
I actually like the last Jedi
ye
Good for you. Don't let ANYONE take that from you. I love it too.
Good for you that you found a way to enjoy people walking around and doing pointless things all over the place for 2 hours straight 🤷♀️
Get out
2:19 ”No one seems to acknowledge it (the beauty in the filming of the sequels)”. Majority of the people criticizing the sequels allways gave props to the cinematography, the acting was good but what they didn’t like is what occurs in the movie, the writing of it
Disney has billions, making a nice looking movie is the bare minimum. They get zero credit for that. We love Star Wars because of the story and the last 3 movies are awful storytelling. They had no plan which is insane.
@@rickwagner3797 Oh fuck off you pretentious prick, cinematography is the key to making a good movie. They absolutely get credit
@@rickwagner3797 tell that to Ms marvel
Sequels by far look the best but yeah writing was just horrible
@@rickwagner3797 Zero credit? That's just disrespectful to the cinematographers.
I'm someone who can appreciate the sequels for the acting, energy, music, fx, cinematography but when I start to think about them I ask myself. What is it all for? What did they bring or add to the franchise? And I cant find anything. It was a big waste of time and money. They feel empty and unnecessary because the story goes nowhere. TFA had a good set up. Then it all went absolutely nowhere. It's a trilogy with no real pay off at the end. Added nothing to the Star Wars saga. Episodes 1-6 feel like an overarching story. Anakin falls to the dark side and is saved by his son. Ep 7-9 are about nothing. They can be enjoyable movies if you just sit back and watch for the spectacle but as part of the Star Wars franchise, they fail.
I totally agree with you in this, because when I watch them I enjoy them, but when you start to make it fit with the rest of the lore, there is something off that just does not fit.
But I would say that my counter argument for not being about nothing is not totally accurate, I would say that what it is about is not well executed narrative wise.
Because I would say that it is about self reliance and self discovery. Because we have to different characters at opposite ends of the force that are looking for their place in the galaxy, something that makes sense for them, Ben is lost trying to fit in somewhere, and Rey is lost searching for her place somewhere too.
But that theme is not well executed, it misses the mark in several ways, which is why I agree with your overall assessment of why us that are in the middle ground of liking/not liking the sequel trilogy, that there is something that just does not fit with the rest of the lore.
And I reckon we can say George Lucas wrote FA since it’s a shitter new hope
The main characters of the saga were Han Luke and Leia. The OT was about them, the Prequels about the ones before them and the Sequels the ones who came after them.
@James Packer the acting was good. We have Adam Driver, Oscar Isacc. Very good actors. They all do a good job. It's the characters that are the problem.
@@AE_Sunset-Nutrix_AE yeah but they went nowhere with them. The main problem is that they had no real road map. TFA sets them up, Rian Johnson comes and does a 180 with TLJ and then JJ comes and does another 180 with TROS. I dont even hate TLJ but they made it worst by ignoring it instead of building off of it. If they would have just stuck to one overarching story that made sense, then the sequels would be better.
I disagree about the preqeuls being bad but that's for another time. I love all three movies in the sequel triliogy, and ironically while despite having no clear plan in place for them they all flow together pretty well regardless and actually do have some strong themes present as through lines throughout all three. Despite how obvious Rise of skywalker was trying to please haters it still ended up supporting the theme of hey it does'nt matter where you were born or who your family is you can still do good and be a hero. And arguably finding out your related to someone evil is even worse than if it was just nobody special so Rey still managed to have a compelling charachter arc that I was invested in
Agreed! Rise of Skywalker is a good movie imo
@@joec7217 Again it is incredibly obvious that they were trying to cater to whiners of the Last jedi, but even so I still think it flows pretty well with the other two movies in terms of the themes I was seeing and all that.
@@Cloud-dt6xb I agree
yo dude THANK YOU! i wisah people didnt hate on this trilogy so much that they forget what star wars was about in the first place, great job on this vid, im the same i love all of star wars, and all its flaws and strengths, yopu bvring up some great points and i hope this changes some people veiw on these movies, i also feel like alot of the reason people dont like these movies is because its not like they were when they were a kid, but times change and these movies are actualy realy good when you dont just look at the flaws! so thank you dude! defenitly subbing
What do you think star wars is about?
I’m ngl the soundtrack in the sequel trilogy was badass
Praise John Williams 4EVA!
In my personal opinion it was really bad compared to the other films
@@Bobzilla_Returns Them why are you here? Yousa trying to make fun of other's opinions?
@@RedRiotGamez No im just stating my opinion
@@RedRiotGamez He... He's... He's stating his own... opinion...
As someone who loves the Sequel Trilogy, I am so glad that this video exists. Almost all of the videos on UA-cam that talk about Last Jedi or Rise of Skywalker are negative. Even Cinemawins, a channel known for being positive on movies backtracked on the Rise of Skywalker and said that he didn’t like the movie, so this is just a breath of fresh air. The points that you make in this video are all valid and poignant. I also agree with the criticisms you make on the movies. Thanks so much for this video. It was awesome.
I checked his channel and at the beginning of his rise of skywalker video he says he liked it.
@@Matthew-li4vz he then says in his Birds of Prey video that too many bad things popped up after reviewing it that it ruined the movie for him.
@@adamgrunther1367 if you don't mind I can link an entire playlist of positive or at least fair videos regarding sequels, specifically TLJ
@Andy Votskos here you go:
Luke's arc:-
ua-cam.com/play/PL8KxUSlIByX_8VQ_1SyCeBzqlJeqIrDxO.html
Overall TLJ positive or at least balanced reviews:-
ua-cam.com/play/PLdTtj1P2Gv-_tYYkN64ZtnuOmMWHFoJr5.html
why do you think so many people create those videos???
Because they are bad
A+ grade to this video
28:19 also, to people saying she shouldve accepted the Palpatine name: the name kind of includes her Palpatine lineage. palpatine hates the skywalkers for killing him and taking his apprentice. he throws ben solo off the cliff, and says the last skywalker falls. but after rey kills him, ben solo sacrifices himself for rey. So, was palpatine's wish true? no, rey opposes his wish to end the skywalkers by taking the name. in addition to everything you say, that's another reason rey calls herself a skywalker
Did you forget the fact that Rey was passed out on the floor from having the literal life sucked out of her? She is shown to wake up from this AFTER Ben is thrown into the hole. She did not hear this and thus your argument makes no sense. She barely knew Luke and she is shown to have next to no development with Leia on screen so her taking the Skywalker name still makes no sense and is a big insult to the franchise, as she did nothing to earn it. Also it literally plagiarised the end of Titanic. Don't believe me? Go watch it for yourself.
@@gaiusjuliuscaesar4256 Rey taking the name Skywalker to carry on their legacy was inevitable. Star wars is ultimately about family, like David Filoni said. Her character arc has been driven by finding her family ever since TFA. U really wanted it to end with her taking the name Palpatine? It's like taking the name Hitler lmao, like why would you think thats a good idea. Luke passed down the jeditorch to Rey when he lifted the x wing and Leia has always been like a mother to her. If you think they don't share any bound or connection with each other.. that's just silly.
@@gaiusjuliuscaesar4256 rewatch the movies. You need to.
@@We_Have_Dragons I did. They are even more terrible. There are so many contrivances, unexplained plot devices and terrible character developments that they are really difficult to sit through. Not to mention how they bastardise characters I really was invested in and cared about. Explain to me how I am wrong with the fact that there are major plot holes with the plot.
@@gaiusjuliuscaesar4256 If you watched it that many times, and haven’t realized your error yet, that’s sad.
Why would you say something so controversial yet so brave?
Because Star Wars fans are petty and there’s no reason to be afraid of them.
My biggest beef with TFA and the biggest hurdle I need to overcome whenever I try to enjoy these movies is that its very premise undoes everything accomplished in the OT. Everything our Heroes set out to do at the end of ROTJ has already been destroyed, a full reset just to tell the old Empire vs. Rebellion-Story all over again. Was it too much to ask to start off the new Trilogy with a functioning New Republic and a healthy New Jedi Order and go from there? I watched ROTJ and TFA on consecutive days before TROS came out and the disconnect was unbelivable. I can't believe the scriptwriters all agreed that the right way to start off the Sequel to the most beloved Trilogy of all time by negating everything its characters have fought for. I mean, VI ends with Luke looking hopeful, his Father and his Teachers looking on in joy and approval and you can naturally assume that the next Thing Luke began working on was the rebirth of the Jedi Order. This was his Job, the task he was left with. VII literally begins with the words 'Luke Skywalker has disappeared' because his Student destroyed this fledling order. What the hell...
Yes, I'm aware that a lot of time passed in-universe. But the same applied to ROTS and ANH and these movies flow seemlessly into another despite the time-skip. That the actual Story of TFA is mostly just plotpoints from ANH stitched together with a hot needle as well as a lot of luck and coincidence was a minor problem by comparsion.
I mean 30 years had passed. It seems weird to get hung up on life changing in over a 30 year span. Luke fulfilled his promise from VI by beginning to rebuild the Jedi Order, but clearly things went very, very wrong. The thing with progress is that it isn't linear. I mean just looking at the history of Star Wars, every single Era is mired with seemingly the same type of conflict over and over again. But that's what progress is--a constant battle towards a better future. Does that make the past meaningless, absolutely not. It makes the past imperative.
It's this same fact that makes Nazism pervasive long after the events of WW2. The end of a War is not the death of an ideology nor does it mean such ideology can't manifest itself into a war machine again. Progression is the constant stride forward in face of regression--that's what the sequel trilogies are; that's what Star Wars is.
My biggest complaints are 1. Hans arc regression into an even bigger loser than he was in ANH, and the fact they didn't put Han, Luke, and Leia together one last time and now NEVER can because Carrie is fucking dead.
@@dominicgunderson I think you sort of misinterpreted the previous guys point. Although the reset is extremely problematic in it's own right, the main problem is that it all happens offscreen. You could effectively fit a whole separate trilogy in between TFA and ROTJ.
@@noahdrucker3076 You can call it a reset, but I'd be more inclined to call it a mirrored trilogy. Things seem similar but are also somewhat different. And its in these differences that the dialectics between the OT and the ST that gives the ST both value and meaning.
@@dominicgunderson I think I get what you're saying, but I still disagree. I think the whole "history repeating itself/mirrored trilogy" thing could actually be extremely interesting. It's something that has a lot of parallels in real life, and it could be fascinating to see how legacy characters react to history playing out exactly as it did 30 or so years ago. The problem is that in TFA they never acknowledge the fact that events are playing out exactly as they did 30 years ago. So as a result the movie feels like a cheap ripoff rather than an original film using points from previous movies to convey a message about history repeating itself, and how we can prevent it from happening.
I appreciate your opinion even tho I disagree. We need fans like this in Star Wars!
Agreed!!
I will commend you for this video, not very many people have had the bravery of expressing their differing opinions. Great job on that. I understand that I might not agree with everything you have to say, yet I gave this video a like anyways, because you talked about what you are passionate about and that’s the most important thing. However, if you’ll excuse me, I have to rant about a few points you made that I didn’t agree with, just so I can get this off my chest. Feel free to disagree, but i think these things have to be said.
The thing about the First Order coming out of nowhere is that, the majority of people who watch these movies don’t view any material outside of them. It still would’ve been a huge improvement if they said anything in the movie about how the first order came to be and why the republic isn’t doing anything about it.
I don’t think anyone says that the troopers of the respective villain groups were ever menacing, the droids for example are hilariously not. The problem is with the First Order as a whole. Every time a droid would say something stupid, or die in a funny manor, it wouldn’t lessen the impact that the overall CIS had on the rest of the galaxy. However, when the first order is so hilariously huge and doesn’t seem to have any limits to its power, it’s harder to believe that they have any impact on any of the galaxy. How many planets does the First Order control? If they don’t have that many, how are they so big? If they do control a lot of planets, why isn’t the republic doing anything about them?
The chosen one narrative was a good way of ending off the series, saying that Darth Vader would eventually restore balance to the force after it has been swaying for years upon years is fitting. Now, new Sith Lords like Kylo Ren or Snoke are to be expected. The force is in “balance” after all, there has to be good with the bad. However, bringing back Emperor Palpatine, the villain of the Star Wars Galaxy for two of the three trilogies, the one who was destined to be killed by Anakin Skywalker, makes all of the previous movies pointless. It would be like if Voldemort came back to life immediately after the final battle. Harry would be like, “well, I guess everyone lied to me and all I did for my whole life was for nothing. It ruins everything the originals and the prequels were building up towards and it was a stupid idea. I cannot believe someone did not think it would be fine to bring back the main antagonist of the other two trilogies that were all about his rise and fall.
I was fine with the Rey Skywalker thing. After a while, I came to understand it. However, Rey should not have buried the lightsabers in the sand. That just made no sense. The only thing it had going for it, was it was a familiar location. The symbolism of this scene is terrible. There’s Anakin, who lived on Tatooine as a slave, who’s mother was killed there, who hated it with a burning passion ever since he was little. Then, there’s Luke, who lived on Tatooine as a farmer, never knowing his father or mother, who’s only other family was also killed there, who longed to get off the planet as a little boy, who also hated it ever since he was young. It is a disgrace to bury these people’s lightsaber in the sand on this planet. Also, Leia only went to Tatooine where she was also enslaved by Jaba the Hutt, so that makes no sense.
About the point you made of Luke never touching a ship in his entire life, in A New Hope they literally put him as a sad farmboy that helps his family but also goes to the flying school with some friends because he wants to get away from Tatooine. It's stated that he's learning to pilot a ship. Also, he blew up the Death Star only because of the help of Obi-Wan and the Force, not because of his piloting skills. I think it's important to remember that.
True, very similar to how Rey could do things only due to her mentors and the force. Luke and Rey are quite similar in that regard.
@@TCO_404 Rey could do things because the plot decided she could, Luke did things because either he was trained or there was a set precedent
@@thatoneguymatt987 every time anyone from Yoda to Luke displays a new force ability it's like "huh, I can do this now". Luke also barely received any training in the first two movies and people honestly keep overexaggerating how powerful Rey was.
@@TCO_404 Telekinesis and Telepathy were established in ANH, there weren't any abilities (besides lightning) that didn't have precedent in the first movie. Also, Luke does receive minimal training from Obi-Wan on their way to Alderaan (because hyperspace used to actually take time) and Luke never did anything exceptional with the force besides aiming better. Not to mention he was training with Yoda for a while in Empire when The Falcon was escaping the Empire. There's no explicit time scale in the movie, but since hyperspace takes a while combined with a damaged ship, it probably took awhile to get to Bespin. Even then, Luke got his ass whooped by Vader; and looked very sloppy during most of the fight.
And no, Rey was insanely OP. Performed a mind trick first try with no training or knowledge of it, bested a trained Jedi/Sith in combat (it was established that the bowcaster blows shit up, but then it barely wounded him. if the movie want's to be inconsistent then I get to say it was a bullet level wound on the side) despite only having a novice ability to swing a stick (staff combat isn't the same as sword/saber). Can somehow fucking swim despite living in a desert. Can make daggers disappear. Can kick three people at the same time. Can shoot down 3 TIE Fighters with one laser blast. Can lift an avalanche of boulders efficiently with no exertion. Can FORCE HEAL!! Can shoot lightning out of her hand without trying on ACCIDENT without training OR knowledge of it. Can SAIL despite living on a desert planet. And can destroy the ending to the Original Trilogy with EASE.
@@TCO_404 she op
Loved this. Agree almost 100% - but the earlier Star Wars films didn't have bad editing. Also, the pointless action bits are important to Star Wars because ultimately it is emulating old 1940s movie serials, Westerns and Korusawa.
Good stuff. I definitely have been a sequel “hater” but came to better understand others opinions instead of dismiss them. It is important to remember that there were still a lot of good things about these movies. I do think these movies did a great job capturing the magic of SW. While I disagree with a fair amount of points, I think can overlook a lot of my more minor criticisms. however, I felt like each movie made critical errors in decision making. I liked Kylo overthrowing snoke becoming the true antagonist, but then you realize Rey already beat him, and thus Kylo can’t be the big bad - which ultimately leads to Palpatine returning. And that resurrection is my one major major qualm (especially since it’s tossed in last minute). Just my thoughts and thanks for sharing yours!
No. This is one topic that I just can't see any other way. No matter the cinematography, the visuals they don't matter in my eyes. These films hurt me deep inside and I can't forgive them. I hate the Sequels, I want it to die with a passion. However, there is but one way that I can appriciate these movies and it is If they made them like a what if scenario rather than canon then maaybe I can be persuaded.
@@boya6069 same. I don't consider them canon. People who say they are can go on their way, because I'm not listening to them
@@thedamntrain Nothing. No story about hope, family, love, redemption, the good and the bad. The PT and the OT had all that. What did the ST capture?
Oh that's right. Nothing. Just about giving up, forgetting the past. Terrible lessons. Aren't you supposed to look to the past to make a better future? They were soulless films. They didn't teach anything. They were there to make money. That's it
@@lapplandkun9273 thankfully there are more sequel haters and we can launch our consequent on the comment section
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While I still disagree with you, I'm happy you found a different POV on this trilogy
What do you disagree with him about?
@@SuperPlacido1 everything lol
I actually believe the prequels have very strong themes. Making a deal with the devil, Anxiety, Paranoid about losing your loved ones, Making quick actions based on emotions without thinking of the bigger picture. Having good intentions but your actions proved otherwise. Your fellow mentors and friends who say good of you but only use you for your attributes. Anakin was a slave on Tatooine. A slave to his emotions, a slave to the jedi, a slave to the emperor. Vaders suit represents hell, a prison and punishment for his actions.
Hell no! Anakin had no personality. And Its not deep like you pretend it is. The writing is poor, the effects are already outdated, and the acting was more than a tragedy. I don't love the sequel trilogy. But its much stronger than you give it credit for.
@@christiansteger8041 Thats okay if you feel like that. But thats how I viewed Anakin and the sequels.
@@christiansteger8041 You sure you didn't love the sequels? 😏
I am 100% sure I am one of the hardest haters of the sequels that are currently alive but I respect that you made this video
I probably could 1 up you
I think I hate them more than you
I despise the sequels
I abhor the sequels.... they destroy everything in the canon and make everything from the prequels and OT in vain....
Guess you're not buddy.
People love to critique the 'Star Wars' sequel film trilogy for not having been fully planned out, but neither were the other 2 'Star Wars' film trilogies. George Lucas didn't come up with Darth Vader secretly being Anakin Skywalker until he wrote the script for 'Star Wars - Episode 5: The Empire Strikes Back' after 'Star Wars - Episode 4: A New Hope' was released, and he didn't come up with Luke and Leia being biological siblings until he wrote the script for 'Star Wars - Episode 6: Return of The Jedi' after 'Star Wars - Episode 5: The Empire Strikes Back' was released. However, the concept of Rey being Darth Sidious's granddaughter was actually thrown around while 'Star Wars - Episode 7: The Force Awakens' was being made, in addition to the concept of Rey being a Kenobi.
You've changed my mind about the sequels. Before, I didn't know how to feel. I didn't actively trash on them, but I didn't say anything else either. Instead I voiced my dislike on the people at the top, more specifically Kathleen Kennedy. But I think this made me realize that I let my dislike for her, impact my feelings on everything else.
The sequels will never be my favorite Star Wars films, but I think I can learn to respect them
Shouldn't really respect something that actively desecrates the original work it's supposed to continue
@@thatoneguymatt987 it's getting pretty clear that not everyone feels the same way about that.
@@Yoda-wf6bu It’s getting pretty clear that there’s little to no one who’s in the side of caring about Disney Wars, looking at their lack of profitable business in merchandise and parks. Consumers aren’t rolling in into a rebuilding of a brand. Just because you’re presenting a counter narrative doesn’t mean it’s on equal grounds. It’s demonstrably a minority due to people’s distaste for shallow corporate redirection.
Well I haven't learned anything, I still hate that so much of Jar Jar's SW is just a random obstacle or a random good coincidence just because the script demands it. It's obvious why people hate the Sequels Mauler on UA-cam does a good job explaining why we're so upset. Disney is losing money because of JJ & Ruin while Filoni & Favreau are patiently biding their time until they're given the command that they rightfully deserve.
Looking at all the graphs, after their initial cinematic success they're losing money, Marvel & Lego are still selling a lot of toys, but Star Wars is just pitiful in retail stores. Wake up people, rally for Filoni & Favreau & everything shall be fixed.
@@Hibernial Why do you think I give a fuck whether Disney is profitable or not? I’m not judging movies by how much money they make. That’s retarded
Imagine my surprise when i finished watching (and enjoying) the sequel and find out the fans literally hate them😔
I felt the same thing 😔, even though the sequels are not my favorite trilogy , I still liked them , I went to the theater and watched them , and had a good time watching it , and the thing was that these movies were part of my child hood , and finding out about this made my childhood feel worthless.( I know there are people who hate and like those movies and it’s ok to this , don’t feel ashamed, may the force be with you.)
@@ateam6671 May the force be with you too!! :)))
@@ateam6671 sorry about that
The more you watch them, the more you’ll realize they’re terrible. If you want to continue to enjoy them, then don’t think to hard about what you’re seeing when you’re watching it. I liked the sequels when they first came out, then are realized how garbage they were when I started to think about them
3:01 “none of Luca’s films have thematic meaning”... ok that’s where I leave. It was nice knowing you, I’m bout to kill myself
Yeah he kinda forgot some parts Thats kinda why I think his video is helf decent
If I heard it correctly, that remark is about Lucas' prequel films, not the OT.
@TrIgGeRHaPpYTJ I never said otherwise.
I was referring to the prequel films. I've also been made aware that that remark was not clear enough. Please read the pinned comment for a better explaination.
@@TheDonovan137 do you like the mandalorian
When The Force Awakens came out I was 9. In all honesty, it made me feel empowered because before that I'd never seen a female character wield a lightsaber or be as capable as Rey. While the movies weren't perfect, they inspired kids and made them feel powerful so they'll always hold a special place in my heart. :)
same thing could be said about aayla secura in revenge of the sith, which may not be human exactly, but still a female jedi nonetheless.
Wish I could just hide in this corner of the StarWars fan base and pretend this is all there is to the controversy. Just appreciating all the flaws and greatness of all 3 beautiful trilogies
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Don't worry. As long as we StarWars lovers band together and not lash out as others have, we can hide in that corner together and that controversy can disappear for all we care 😊.
We shall all join you in this metaphorical corner
agreed
13:42, the comics depict a third confrontation between Luke and Vader that happens before the two depicted in the OT. Its stats with Luke accusing Vader of killing both Obi-Wan and Anakin. In response, Vader disarms Luke in less than a second and is holding both their lightsabers to Luke’s neck (Vader didn’t know Luke was his son yet) Vader is destructed when he recognizes the Lightsaber Luke was wielding and then Han tries to crush him with a commandeered AT-AT
"I've killed a lot of fathers. You'll have to be more specific". -Darth Vader 🤣🤣🤣
Personally I felt after a lot of UA-cam videos that the last Jedi could’ve been legendary if, when kylo offered Rey his hand, she took it. Then the final act could’ve been still quite similar but now hux is the leader of the first order and Luke maybe combines a bit of the force projection and a bit of him actually there to hold back the first order. Then somehow involve kylo and Rey so that fin can see she’s with Kylo but have them both detached from the resistance and the first order. That would’ve set up the whole third movie differently with fin possibly being trained by luke or leia and wanting to redeem Rey. And then Rey and kylo tracking Jedi and sith artefacts or something. And the resistance still fighting the first order
Damn. I would have wished for Hux's FO and the Resistance team up to take down Ren/Rey/Knights of Ren/ Splinter FO. That would have been EPIC.
@@waffletdt5603 brooooo I was thinking that. I was thinking how cool I'd be if Rey took his hand then Finn became a jedi to get her back
I agree with everything this guy says
I love the sequels I grew up on them
You know how recent they are?
@@lukastace3154 yes
I was only 10 when TFA came out
Prequels > sequels
@@hooleephucingsheet2468 sequels > episodes 1 and 2
@@hooleephucingsheet2468 now I will admit the fight scences in the prequels make them better, and some memorable lines
“Now this is pod racing “ and a few from AOTC
I took all your points on board on the sequels and must admit there still a complete abomination to star wars!
How are they abomination to Star Wars?
Ok I agree with everything u said. BUT I don't like "Rey Skywalker" scene. I understood it when she said it, why she said it.I wouldn't say I hate it since it's honouring Everyone we loved. But I still don't like it.
@Justin Thorson hu?
They really fail about the "nobody to somebody" message when Rey turned out to be a Palpatine, and Finn stunted his development to only yell Rey
Well this was made because of the backlash against TLJ. And the message wasn't denied. The broom boy still exists. And especially the message that it doesn't matter where you come from but it matters where you go works in both movies.
That is why the only star wars film I do not like is The Rise of Skywalker
@KiroTheAssassin they do not hint at Vader being Luke's dad too.
@KiroTheAssassin I hated that twist, I wan't a fan of the Vader twist either. But its nice to gain a new perpective
just like naruto when we find he’s literally a reincarnate of the sage of six paths son lol
Dude your the first man to ever possibly actually make sense out of all the star wars fans, mainly bc the fans basicly only look for the cursed media like shurtless ben, or luke throwing his saber, but i always actually saw what where the movies were coming from and reasons to why some original characters changed alot, everybody else is only paying attention to what they woulve acted like during the galactic civil war, and yet they dont see that alot has happened lol, your the first person to finally present that to the world, am i a die hard? Probably but i focus and understand the changes and problems in the story, which for some reason everybody is complaining about how they dont get to see blades moving fast, which is odd to say when you give a girl who just learned to use the force a saber in force awakens, so i was dissapointed to see that everybody didnt figure that out. But ya make sure people understand lol, bc somehow nobody understood the movies but you lol.
Great thoughts - thanks! I think it's worth pointing out that I think Hux's turn in RoS makes more sense than you give it credit for. They're not saying he was ALWAYS a spy, but that presumably everything changed when Kylo Ren killed Snoke. Snoke was the leader responsible for crafting the First Order that Hux so fervently believed in, and we saw from his earliest scenes in Force Awakens how much he and Ren hated each others, so Snoke's death and Ren's subsequent ascension to Supreme Leader at the end of Last Jedi rocked his world, and Ren's increasingly unhinged behavior (which the First Order leadership is disturbed by in that board room meeting at the beginning of Rise of Skywalker, for example) is a clear threat to the longterm continuation of the First Order that Hux has devoted so much of his life for. As a lifelong conservative Republican shocked and disgusted by what Donald Trump has done to the party, it is not hard for me to sympathize with Hux's fear of an unhinged leader wrecking the whole enterprise, or his apparent assessment that it would be better to let his enemies bring down said ruler (even if it risks the future of the organization itself) than to allow someone like that to remain in power. That's exactly how I've felt since ~2015 or so (and I'm not equating the GOP to the First Order, although I'm sure many out there would be fine with such a comparison, lol).
I do wish his death had been handled better (preferably at the hands of Kylo Ren, rather than the anticlimactic killing we got), but oh well... no big deal.
I don’t care if Biden wins, I need Donald Trump to lose.
@@IAmThanSolo Exactly, lol.
@@lucidhysteria yea look at our country now…We let a corpse and a screeching hyena into office.
It would've been cool to see more opponents to Kylo Ren within the First Order than just Hux alone. An organized coup d'état against Kylo led by Hux would've felt way more natural than him revealing to his enemies he was the spy. If Kylo killed him there and then his death would've been a lot more satisfying.
doesn't make sense@@IAmThanSolo every repulican would defend trump if he was candidate even if convicted of Felons actions (which he is) politics is a bad example cause you put aside your personnal differences to make the party win.
3:05
A hero's fall to the darkside, the death of democracy through endless war, the rise of fascism, fear>anger>hatred>suffering, the tragedy of love, hope from youth, dreams of adventure, the hero's journey, and finally the redemption of the father; WTF do you mean there was: "no themes" in Star Wars?
I think you're referring to snappy one liners that reoccur, and how those sometimes relate to the theme. Only the last jedi had that those, and there were a lot.
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Luke didn't just: "bow to the emperor" in a 5 min flashback, as we see him as the new vader! There was context, and a story that drove his character to fall!
Ruin Johnson's flashback scene is a careless afterthought that gives no reason why Luke is acting the way he was. It's just: "the vision was _SO_ strong", and it's asinine bullshit.
I'm saying there are no compelling messages that the prequels have to offer. A hero's fall to the darkside, tragedy of love, dreams of adventure, etc, are all interesting and compelling themes, but... what do those have to do with anything? Is the audience geniuenly learning something about themselves? Society? The world? That is themeatic meaning, which is something that the original and sequel trilogy do well in conveying.
Luke didn't just "bow to the emperor", there *was* context and a story that his character to fall. You are correct. His actions were completely justified due to the context of the situation... just as Luke's actions in canon were completely justified due to the context of the situation. Perhaps Rian Johnson could've invested more time into more than a 30 second flashback sequence, but the truth is simply that there wasn't enough time... TLJ is already the longest Star Wars movie. However, there is so much context through TLJ's dialogue, TROS, and the Rise of Kylo Ren comics (which does an excellent job fleshing out the characters more)
@@thesurvivorssanctuary6561 it dose honestly your just trying to make it look like it’s not and you know it’s not
@@TheDonovan137 of course there were themes in OT and in Prequels (albeit in Prequels they were poorly executed). And of course there were plenty of stuff about our world and society and audience genuinely could learn about themselves analysing how characters behave and project their actions (good or bad) on themselves. Saga was filled with themes - it was about the choices we made in life, the most basic things we value- love, friendship, loyalty, ready for self-sacrifice for the greater good etc... it was about a thin line between what is good and what is evil. To say it was no thematic meaning in Star Wars before sequels is just complete and utter nonsense. MORE OVER - everything you listed as inspiring themes in Sequels were realised in Star Wars saga before and with much greater success. “You can be nobody - but you can be somebody” it is a Luke’s Story in OT and Anakin’s story in PT, “No matter what you did before, you can became a good person and revise your mistakes” - it’s Han Solo story, and Lando... and even Vader. “You can be a great admirable hero, but you can fail and do a wrong things” It was Obi-Wan and Yoda story, and Mace Windu.... and Anakin. Wow! What have you thinking?!
@@TheDonovan137 So we're to ignore Han's place in the originals?
Okay the reason why Hux decided to become a spy you left it clear no matter what he did he would lose, so he decided that kylo ren would fall with him
When a rat is driven into a corner, its only option is to strike back even if that opinion is completely hopeless. Hux is no different
It does not make sense . There are 10,000 different ways to get rid of someone without destroying the organization you have devoted your entire life to. Not to mention the fact that the First Order is much more powerful than the Resistance and they would not have won without plot armor. And even if they won and Hax survived, he would be executed for war crimes.
Yes, but what cannot be undone is the fact that the sequels overshadow everything in all of the previous movies. None of it even matters because of them. Unlike the prequels which added to the story. Not only is this a problem, they also go out of their way to ruin the existing characters (the original ones) and kill them off. It seems like this was all done to make their movies more popular, and to show that ‘rey’ was better that the others. but it backfired because rey is an unlikable mary sue and people like the original movies better.
I'll never forgive them for regressing Hans character arc to make him an even bigger loser than he was in ANH.
The Prequels messed up the story by adding so much
Well this is just wrong lol. The didn’t ruin the original characters at all. They expanded on their story. The originals will always be better. But it doesn’t mean you can’t enjoy the sequels for what they are. They are actually quite enjoyable. Although I will say I hate rose
@@adamkirkland4987 Lol wouldn’t call it expand when Han’s character ends up like in the first SW movie - A simple thief.
You can enjoy what you want ofc but it would be much easier to enjoy the sequels if they were blending with what was before.
@@MediaLoverChris02this just makes no sense whatever. It only added things, never destroyed things. The sequels actively destroyed concepts from 1-6
The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi might be some of my favorite Star Wars films. Poe’s arc of not being Leia and wanting to lead differently and being his own hot shot hero persona is consistent with the movies and Star Wars Resistance, and he is one of my favorite Star Wars characters. I really hope Rey and Finn get fleshed out in more Sequel era content in the future because they have both fans and haters, but more importantly, stories to tell before The Rise of Skywalker.
That one hater be like "perhaps I treated you too harshly."
Nope not me
no
@@Bobzilla_Returns your an underrated character
9:38. Ok, this one point I disagree with. I actually loved TLJ AND TROS. I know, crazy! Mostly it’s because I don’t believe TROS undoes anything important or that I cared about in TLJ and because TROS gives such a great conclusion to Rey and Kylo’s character arcs.
@Karter Hooimeyer It doesn’t do that though. It reinforcers that theme that good people can come from nowhere, as Rey, who comes from a bad lineage, still comes from “nowhere”. Moreover, if Rey, someone related to Palpatine, can still be a Jedi, then anyone can.
It’s not crazy, there both good Star Wars movies
same
Just gonna forget everything it undoes from the other two trilogies?
@@Freddy3763 it doesn’t undo anything
Rey has quite a similar situation to the exile from kotor 2. She forms a bond to Ben (similar to how the exile and kreia form a bond) they grow in strength at the same rate with each of them drawing strength from one another. (kreia and exile grow in strength at same time) Ben acts as a mentor to rey, while tempting her to join him (same with kreia who tries to teach the exile) and it ends with the ben dying, who saves rey through is love for her (similar to how kreia dies while loving the exile). Which leads me to think that maybe rey is also a wound in the force and is feeling the force because of her connection to Ben.
Hmm, I never looked at it in this light. Thank you. This was enlightening. I am still disappointed with the sequels but not as much.
You completely misunderstood General Hux, I really enjoyed the rest of the video, but Huxs turn was far deeper than that, and his decent from prestige began during the Last Jedi.
I think they should have waited until after Kylo became supreme leader to turn hux into a joke because we know they hated each other and if one had power over the other they would probably do terrible things to them
@@aacproductions996 Fair point I suppose, but the hate needed to build. It wouldn’t make sense if it was such an abrupt switch. Hux knew that Kylo was becoming more loved than himself by Snoke. So that hate built, and then when he officially became the Supreme Leader, he made the first attempt on his life. Then in the Rise of Skywalker, the second attempt, and the most pathetic one, showing how desperate he was. Really awesome ark if you ask me!
Nice bait
@@ArizonaTeaMan How do you mean?
@@wallybloc1415 there was no descent from prestige, he started off as mini-Tarkin in TFA then Rian Johnson and his terrible writing turned him into a incompetent pathetic joke in TLJ. There was no arc, because that requires actual time and attention in creating scenes that change his motivations in a believable way. It's you who misunderstands; it's entirely illogical to become a mole for the Resistance to hurt Kylo because he wants to spite him. It would be more believable to conspire with other Generals and leaders to orchestrate scenarios that put Kylo Ren in a compromised situation to try and usurp power from him, not sabotaging the organization he's been apart of for so long.
Sitting here at 3Am trying to get some editing done and when the FBI door pounding effect came on it made me jump out of my skin. Heart is still racing haha
I really hate this saying about nobody hates star wars more than star wars fans. The fans are the ones who are passionate so of course they would be angry. Why would someone who doesn't like star wars be angry when there's a bad star wars movie?
I will say that I do really like the sequel trilogy as well, but I do agree with it not really fitting with the whole Skywalker Saga, since I always saw Episodes 1 to 6 as The Tragedy and Redemption of Anakin Skywalker. While the sequel aren’t really about Anakin. And this is coming from someone who thinks the sequels are good films, (except for The Last Jedi).
People may not agree, but I also love all the films, all 9. Each one has its good points in different ways, and it is because of these differences that I like them. Each film has its own way of telling the story and I love this.
Yes.
Yes
Yes ( not being sarcastic )
shut up lucas
Yes and the sequels corrected some misconceptions about luke and the force in general.
WOW. That's all I can say.
Actually no, there's more. I came to this video because I was searching for someone who also love ALL star wars movies, including the sequels. And this video is amazing... It increased my love for the sequels and gave me a better understanding. I just wish that more people could not only see this video, but also watch it with an objective mindset.
Anyway, thanks for all the comedic moments and may the force be with you.
BRO SAME!!! I love all Star Wars movies as well!!!
Same! I enjoyed all 3 Star Wars trilogies for what they were! Each trilogy have their own pros and cons, it's just a matter of tastes and preference
@MrMeatloaf bro stfu the prequels were sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo good. dont disrespect them boi,
@@themysteriesoftheteamflyin3602 I mean nah they kinda suck… and so does america too.
@@themysteriesoftheteamflyin3602 You didn't read his whole comment did you
As much as I crap on the sequels, I actually loved watching this, EVEN THOUGH I disagree with some of YOURE points. I just wish more people were willing to have a controversial conversations like you.
Yo know it not you, but majority of starwars fans and any fanbases in general. People expect too much out of a movie
Your bbg good try
@@elijahgraves759 yes. Fans overhyped or had fantastical expectations.
@@VoldoronGaming true to an extent, but fans should not have to lower their standards to the ground and forget about all the canon breaking and lore breaking aspects to enjoy something that constantly tells them. (If they're a man). That they're a lower class human and that just because they're a man, they are less intelligent, incompetent and weaker than the women that stand next to them. Which is very obviously being said in the sequels.
@@elijahgraves759and people have to understand that if Other People Like Kathleen Kennedy are in charge of a movie sequel trilogy and not the directors of the original trilogy…..then expect it to be different. Then expect that there’s a chance that it will probably not be like the previous trilogy.
9:28 nah hate em both. The writers decide to destroy the old star wars and start from scratch in the last Jedi, and in rise of Skywalker they ruined the prophecy from the prequels by bringing back palatine.
Now this is where the fun begins...
needs more likes^^^
Buzz droids
I GOT SOMETHING TO SAY-Finally, someone who likes the sequels, sure they aren’t perfect like all movies and I’m not saying they are the best out of all of the trilogies, but they were good, if you really don’t just look at the negatives and look at the positives, they were great. They weren’t meant to continue the story of the skywalkers or the Jedi order you are used too, they meant a new beginning to something different and they succeeded, I think people hate because we don’t know what happens next and what happened in the year gap between tlj and tros but Disney did the job and it was awesome honestly. And before people call me a sequel defender, My favorite trilogy is the prequels and hated the sequels but once I did research and tried to understand them, they are honesty awesome (and Ben solos story does play a key role in liking the sequels).
Exactly fans shouldn't sit in front of their cameras and nitpick every single flaw
Yes they r great still Originals>Prequels>Sequels. The only thing that bothers me about the sequels is that they didn’t plan them out which tells me the story could’ve been so much better and had way more potential which is disappointing. I still watch all the movies but the Sequels had such a great opportunity in front of them and fell short.
FUCK YEAH SEQUELS FUCK YEEEEAAAAAAH
But the overlords (Disney+LucasFilm) literally call the sequels 7, 8, and 9. They advertised Rise of Skywalker as the last movie in the Skywalker Saga.
Sorry, when you advertise the movies as sequels and number them as sequels, they should be treated as sequels. Not reboots with different characters.
@@footlessmoonbadger7189 thanks
glad to know im not the only one who loves the last jedi
It sucks
@@notcodexsand2879 no it doesn’t
I love it although I will admitt casino stuff is real dumb and they could’ve handled Luke’s Ark a little bit better
Bruh, the entire film is a slow chase scene with a whole 30 minute section that could have been cut, not to mention the film is one massive disrespect to everything that came before with more plot holes than I can count
@@thedeccc3252 how does it not
I’m so glad this video exists, as someone who has always Liked the sequels I’m finally glad somebody spoke up about it.
Kylo Ren is literally one of my favourite villains of all time.
…why? Of all time?
@@captainpep3I know it’s hard to grasp this but it’s called having an opinion
@@NotOzy yeah but even if you liked the sequels, there’s far better villains to choose from.
@@captainpep3I know there are better villains to choose from but again it’s their opinion and we can’t change that and being mad at someone because they enjoy something (I’m not saying you do) isn’t the right thing to do but sadly a certain part of the SW fan base and at the same time the loudest is incapable of doing that and acting childish to the point it’s just sad
@@NotOzy I just personally found it a bit bizzare, but to be fair I do think kylo is the best new character in the sequels (even if I personally still find him pretty bad) but I guess the original person just hasn’t seen very many movies. And I’m not trying to be rude, I just don’t see how anyone could pick him as their favourite unironically, maybe that’s a me problem
Just wanna say.. I am so happy to see so many people on the same page as me. That page being... Star Wars is amazing!!! Dont let anyone tell you different.
No no star wars sequels r not amazing infact it's not even star wars they get everything wrong
@@legendarycreator9897 what do you mean it's not even Star Wars? What does that even mean?! I clearly saw Luke, Leia, Han, Lando, Palpatine, it was clearly Star Wars. Just because you didn't like the way the story went, doesn't mean that the sequel trilogy weren't Star Wars movies. At the end of the day remember the sequel trilogy is still canon, now that might change in a few years but at this time the sequel trilogy is still canon.
@@Twisted_Ozzy dude they got luke and messed him up han solo even hates it that's why he left only 10 percent of people like theese movies
@@Twisted_Ozzy u have stopped saying stuff cuz u no u wrong
@@legendarycreator9897 I stopped because I just let it go, but let me guess when you say they ruined Luke you're talking when Rey gave Luke his own lightsaber and he just tossed it aside like nothing. Well why do you think Luke secluded himself on a planet all by himself? To him at that point in his life Luke just wanted to forget all about the Jedi stuff and all the stuff he's been through, so when Rey visited him he must have thought "here we go again". So actually I kinda don't blame Luke for just tossing his lightsaber like it meant nothing, but no Rey just had to track him down and get him involved in all of this stuff once again. Just let the man be, he's been through enough.
You actually changed my opinion on the sequel trilogy, you made some great, fair points. ..Well Dang Dilli doo.. I was not expecting that when I clicked on this vid. *Thumbs up* ..Also one more thing.. Daisy is mine.. You stay away or else ill unsubscribe.
another video I recommend is from CinemaWins he did Everything Great about The Last Jedi, I like that video too
How? I’m only at the 16:21 and so far this video is just full of misinformation, conjecture and what-aboutisms. Like this guy literally pointed to dark empire for having a darker take on Luke as justification for TLJ? And from what I hear dark empire wasn’t exactly the most popular part of the expanded universe. It’s like saying “oh you think King Henry the 8th was bad? What about Vlad the Impaler?” And then saying “it’s sci-fi you can do anything you want” I’m sorry but isn’t that kinda reductive? Every universe should have it’s rules, breaking those rules in certain ways has a habit of breaking tension for example let’s say in Lord of the rings in the second movie you establish teleportation as a thing known and used by the masses. If you don’t put heavy restrictions on that ability it’s going to brake tension and ruin a lot of what happened earlier. Like why don’t Frodo and Sam just teleport to mount doom. But again if you add restrictions to the power it makes it less world breaking, like say the power of teleportation only works for a certain race who has to have been to the said location before and were very rare, this doesn’t really break the story. The reason force heal was acceptable in the old EU from what I gather was A hard to master, B took a lot of time to work, and C wouldn’t do much to stop fatal blows. This lessens how destructive this power can be to the plot. But even if this wasn’t true it would still be a what aboutism argument. Disney got rid of the old canon but that doesn’t mean they couldn’t learn from its mistakes and be better for it. Heck that’s what they told us was the goal! I can get into this far more but yeah point is his points ain’t that good. Sorry if I came off a bit strong, but I just heard that Rules don’t matter line and as an aspiring Author and avid reader/watcher that comment hurt my soul.
@@storyseeker6028 Yea i agree with u, i see these as really weak arguments that are a desperate attempt at trying to defend these movies. Rules r the most important thing in any movie/book/etc. Without them nothing can connect and make sense giving us no expectations because we don't ever understand whats happening which pushes us further away from the films. Every flim has rules whether someone thinks they do or dont. Without it, there wouldnt be a story to tell a character to get attached too. The only reason why sci fi works is because we compare the real world to that world which would have desirable traits that our world does not possess, interesting points of view, or fun stories. I dont think I could express in writing how important rules are, even though it makes so much sense in my head. Dont be ashamed to continue to dislike the sequels, because his opinion is worth as much as yours, he just published it. I try to look for reasons to forgive these holes that plague the sequels because its canon but its practically impossible for me too
fuck her, she is a terrible actress
@@motor4X4kombat not really, she was just given bad material. same goes for most all of the cast I'd say.
Finished watching and just wanna tell you bravo man bravo. I believe you are of the type of fans that made the prequels better. The fans that went on the internet and expressed their love of the prequels, bringing more people to love them as well. Now you are that same person but for the sequels. Of course there’s other factors like prequel kids, (me), who grew up alongside those movies. Then with the Clone Wars show that expanded on the characters and introduced new events involved in those wars. I’d love for there to be an animated show that showcases the 30 years in between Return of the Jedi and The Force Awakens. Since it’s animation you won’t have to worry about the characters not looking like the original actors. No weird deep fake situation there. Alas, I myself have accepted and have started to appreciate what just is about the sequels. I cannot change them and
Also talk about perfect timing. At 38:15 I was literally thinking “Yeah Ben and Rey aren’t supposed to fight fluidly like jedi during the prequels..so I wonder where Ahsoka is at this point in time” when you put Ahsoka’s theme there.
Nice job. As a long time Star Wars fan I won’t forget how long the prequels were hated. Took over a decade for the general consensus to turn away from blind hatred for anything related to the prequels.
I have a feeling mandalorian and other new things are going to help people fall in love with the sequels just as clone wars did with the prequels. And in time… the Star Wars fandom will hate the next big thing lmao.
As is tradition
No. The mandalorian makes me hate it even more actually as I know that there is no good future for characters like Luke and Grogu. I just can't like it.
@@boya6069 galaxy is a big place my man. Whose to say grogu isn't out there doing stuff on his own separate from the first order and resistance
Thank you for this. I wonder how many people disliked it without even watching.
A lot honestly regardless if you disagree why dislike I may never know
I disliked it before watching then watched it then left the dislike
I saw the movies so its still fucking terrible..
@@ahkidamoonlight140 they really aren’t that bad
@@thatsabingo6695 Who are you a Disney shill?
I agree and TFA and TLJ fit well, I just wish ROS ended things better.
Same here ,I wish LF didn't catered to the those who outraged unfairly. TROS tried to please those who were too full of preemptive bias, who were gonna watch them anyway ,just to be a wanker about it.
@@orionaugustwatson There's no way to be 100% sure that the creative decisions in TROS came from caving into TLJ's criticisms.
The addition of the sith eternal and final order was pointless
@@justoons2949 Says the person with “Sith Eternal” as his/her username.
It's a great video, really! I'd love to subtitle it in my native language for personal use. Is it possible to have the script? :)
Hey, that sounds great! Shoot me an email!
@@TheDonovan137 I tried but UA-cam delete the post, another way?
@@TheDonovan137 news?
@@Geggio64 My apologies for the extremely late response. I don't always get notifications for some odd reason. Go to my channel's about page and under details you'll see my email for buisness inquires :)
The Last Jedi remains to be one of my favourite films ever made not just in Star Wars. I could go on and on about why I love it so much but the great video titled "The Last Jedi is amazing and you are all insane" covers my thoughts perfectly. Great video
alright then tell me why its good
Yeah tell what is good in it, even thé fight scene are bad
@James Paganini 💀
I wonder if there are more people who actually enjoy these movies more than what the internet suggests. Yes, I prefer Mandalorian over the sequels, but that does not mean that I think they’re bad at all. I love mandalorians, so anything with Mandalorians is an automatic win for me. I find it insulting when some people think I like shit. I don’t like shit and I happen to think the sequels, or every other canon Star Wars film or show is not shit. Star Wars will never be shit from my point of view no matter the era. I prefer some things from SW more than others, and I would have done things differently with the ST if it were up to me, but I would have changed all the films, not just those three. But even when something doesn’t go exactly how I imagined, I can’t help but be grateful that I’m able to immerse myself in the GFFA every time I see it onscreen. I legit am sorry for those who don’t see the films the way I do. We don’t have to be sycophants, but we do need more open mindedness and support for the film makers and give them constructive criticism, not the bullshit “so and so ruined my childhood” complaints. Who’s with me?!
“ Star Wars is like a 1980’s slasher villain . Just when you think it is dead, it just keeps coming back “ - Rich from “ Red Letter Media”
this is the video I've been looking for!!
I really like hearing your points in this video and it was nice to see certain scenes and actions from another point of view. I think it is great that you get so much enjoyment out of the movies! I just think, that for me personally at least as well as some others, the more I read and consume Star Wars media, the less I appreciate the premise of the movies. It just seemed so rehashed, especially after reading various novels with different takes on the universe. Not just the old EU but even newer expansions: the High Republic novels show that you can craft a great story at a time when the power of the Jedi was growing.
When I first watched the films, I had consumed nothing of the Star Wars universe: the very first Star Wars film I had even seen was the Last Jedi, and I thought it was great!! I cannot tell you how excited I was after watching the other trilogies I was- I actually made my roommate go with my to the Rise of Skywalker during my 1st year of college finals because we were PSYCHED!! However, the movie felt empty? to me. I can't quite explain it but there was just so much going on, nothing had time to breathe and I was really disappointed in the characters of Finn and Poe. I also really wanted to see Rey use her own lightsaber but it wasn't what killed the movie for me. Just seeing the state of the galaxy after the movie was just so hollow. Nothing had changed, the Republic had fallen again, the Resistance had to rebuild, no Jedi left, etc. You bring up the point that conflicts are bound to be repeated and that it is as naïve to see the Empire as having really fallen as it was to think WWI was the last big war. I actively disagree with you there: the sequel films don't really take any time to flesh out what was going on prior to the films (although new material has been rectifying this!) and so it does seem a bit out of no where that the galaxy is in the same conflict as 30 years prior. Regardless, seeing as the films end in the same place as the original trilogy pretty much, I just personally feel it's a little meaningless to go back and rewatch them. This is magnified by the fact that the relationship between the characters themselves was not strong enough to hold my attention personally.
In the end, the sequel trilogy just felt wasted to me. They made me not care (which is a me problem and no one else's to deal with!) about the universe because it was back to square one with characters that did not live up to what they might have been. It took me a long time to go back to caring about the universe because what is the point if it all falls apart? Ultimately though, I hope Star Wars takes a long break from it and goes off way into the past or future to tell some radically different stories.
Great video!
5:16 The force awakens is way more similar to a new hope than just those two scenes.
The main guy is an untrained Jedi from a desert planet, the bad guy is a red lightsaber guy dressed in black with a mask, the bad guy’s army is made up of clones, the dark bad guy with a mask kills the old guy, the plans are hidden in a droid, the bad guys weapon is a Death Star... I could keep going, it’s almost the same movie.
True, the sequels are the OT but with different characters, they have a lot of flaws but as stand alone they were fun to watch, they just dont fit in the starwars saga.
@@DDN573 They also just don't work as movies because of all the plot holes, character inconsistencies (not just the OT characters), and universe breaking contrivances and abilities
Yes exactly
I meant they are nice films to watch with your family but as a star wars fan i think it's just a disgrace
I wouldn't say so. It resembles it but it's pretty different. George Lucas ltierly said he went through every popular story and merged them all together into the first star wars. It's ltierly just the heroes journey which many many stories resemble
To be honest I really loved the sequel trilogy it was after the movies with the internet outrage that I felt I should not love them.
I grew up with the prequels and people before the sequels were out always were talking shit about them as well.
I remember being on the edge of my seat in so many moments of the sequels trilogy excited for the action and story and you with this video made me remember those.
Thx, I can now proudly say that I love the sequels trilogy.
Three moments that I remember from the sequel trilogy: the Starkiller Base firing, Holdo's saciface, and Palpatine attacking the Galaxy Fleet.
@@flynncarter229 "u are not a true fan" comment. Man just accept people enjoy things you might not like. It could be better? Of course it could but why would you always look back and shit on it? Dont tell me the lore of star wars is high shit as well, i played the old republic, i played the force unleashed they always scrap lore and remake it as they please and as they need to make everything make sense.
Now you have Mandalorian to connect the lore, and other series that will eventually come out. The lore is not screwed.
@@flynncarter229 Star Wars fans SHOULD be Casual moviegoers, not this George Lucas cult.
@@flynncarter229 Fuck off I became a Star Wars fan because A New Hope was simply a good movie
I felt this exact same thing. I never grew up with star wars, heck, a random day this year i decided to start watching it and fell in love. When it came to the sequels, I saw some flaws but overall I really enjoyed watching them, but, when I started to consume sw content on the internet, I really felt bad for liking the sequel trilogy, like it was some kind of sin or I was too dumb to see how supposedly flawed it is. Thank you man, it really means a lot to me to see someone who too liked the sequels and had a similar experience to mine :)
Why are the fans so harsh, they can’t expect the creators to make an exceptionally perfect movie for them. I genuinely love every single one of the Star Wars movies, I mean sure the sequels have their flaws , and so do all the other ones but they’re still great movies.
I love your comment
Didn't expect them to nuke everything that came before in order to prop up the story.
And then rian decided to make his own star wars movie, wrapped up nearly every interesting story thread, and left the crumbs for the next director to deal with.
It's a damn shame what happened to Finn. Going from dueling kylo ren to getting subdued, lectured, and violated by Rose Tico.
Simping for REEEEEEEEEYYYYY while watching wanna be space Hitler get take his girl.
@ thanks :)
No one was expecting perfection, but we expected better than this, given what the franchise is.
@@dangerdash4393 What you see is what you get pal
Alright you had my subscribe when you called the ewoks teddy bears. I call them the same damn thing. The great empire was defeated by teddy bears!
Honestly though I agree with this. I was half tempted to make a video (revive my old ass channel XD) until I realized there was already one. My biggest gripe on the complaints of these films is that alot of what they take issue with, story retcons, knowledge of the force without training.. literally all happen in the original trilogy. Fun fact to many that may not know. But originally, before empire strikes back came out, the story that obi wan told luke about his father, was the actual events at that point. But during empire they decided to change that up. Make it what we all know and love today. Speaking of empire how the hell did Luke manage to force pull that lightsaber from the ice without ever being trained on how to to force pull? Guess the original trilogy is bad now.
Just honestly the critique that they get is unjust. Yeah they have problems, but the problems that are ever listed are problems the entire saga has. We never cared before, it was all about the ride, the fun, the mythical side of star wars.
Star Wars (IV) resonated with me in 77 with its adventure and hope. Bright eyes on doing the fantastic. Last Jedi resonated with me in 17 after 10 combat deployments. I felt connected to Luke like I never had before. Truly the first Star Wars fable - no matter how many times you fail, how worn out you are, don't give up, pick your fight and win.
You did a wonderful job on this video. The folks who disliked, which I'm proud to see are still in the minority, probably didn't even give your video a chance or even attempt to watch the whole thing. I watched every second. And that's props to you, sir, cause usually I can barely get through 20 minutes of these 40 minute essays. But you did your homework, and had great comments with reference visuals to enhance them. There are points we probably still wouldn't agree on when it comes to the politics of the prequels or my personal love of The Rise of Skywalker, but I definitely agree with a majority of what you said. Even enlightened me to see The Last Jedi in a new/more positive light. Most certainly agree that the lightsaber duels in the sequel trilogy are slept on, too. That duel on the ocean moon of Endor is amongst my top 5 of the entire saga -- especially in its magnitude for the story. Sadly, people rely so much on sensory assistance to decode story/emotion anymore -- and what killed it for so many was not having a score to assist the scene there, whether it be a return of Battle of the Heroes or Duel of the Fates redone. That probably would've enhanced it for the others. But like you, I see beyond that. See it for what it is, and how powerful it stands just as it is. Plus, as an avid reader, it's easy for me to kinda imagine the music while I watch. Anyways, man, fantastic job! You've gained a subscriber.
I listened to the whole thing and he was wrong everything is bad it copy original but fails it ruins the other films with its plot holes the characters are boring they ruined luke they ruined han solo they just basically took a big shit on it
@@legendarycreator9897 I agree with you on the treatment of Luke. But I hardly think they “ruined” Han Solo. He was portrayed as a good father, that loved his family/friends endlessly, & ultimately fueled the redemption of his son. He was a lead in TFA & played a huge role in RoS.
Leia & Han were given great treatment by the sequels, if anything. The movies aren’t perfect, they are certainly disjointed by episode 8 - but they still have heart. And IX did the best it could to heal the wounds TLJ left. I can respect that. Everyone can have their own opinion, but to say the sequels “ruined” everything, is a bit extreme. They said the same of the prequels back when they came out, now look how that goes.
@@RyanRusin I totally agree with you the sequels rightfully deserve a place in the Skywalker saga
@@legendarycreator9897 He’s not wrong, it’s his opinion/interpretation dude. And it hasn’t ruined anything, the old films are still exactly the same.
@@deadlyfremen7447 what's the point of ankin and luke ankin was the chosen one and all he did bring balance whats the point of that dude?
"Well I'm not Leia."
"That's for damn sure."
Oooooooof that HITS. HAAAAAARD. The sequels have their flaws, but so does literally any star wars project. And I love the potential of these characters. I would love to see Rey and Anakin interact, the amount of SASS between the two would be incredible. I would love to see Finn train to be a Jedi because he's absolutely force sensitive. I would love to see Poe train new pilots. I think there's a lot they can do with these characters. If Rey had a series like how Anakin had Clone Wars, people would do a 180 on her over night. Trust.
Noone ever denied the music or visuals in the sequel trilogy. But even if u treat the 3 as standalone movies, they're still bad
You love the sequels?
Me too.
Same here I respect those who dislike them
i do too.
@@legovaderproductions6739 there are lots of sequel fans but they just won't speak up
Oh thank god I thought it was gonna be a cringe prequel meme
@@ryanbarth6691 dont worry give them a couple of years the kids that are growing up watching the sequels in a couple of years will begin to defend the sequels
The mandalorian has already made me enjoy the sequels more. People claim the sequels are being retconned but the mandalorian literally showed snoke and the empire turning into the first order.
It’s gonna make the sequels more cohesive
Well said, my friend.
Well said.
Well said
The Mandalorian is making the Sequel trilogy look like a joke, I respect that.
@@thedamntrain Jon faverau actually wants the mandalorian to connect the sequels
The Mandalorian and everything that comes after it, will have the same effect Clone Wars had on the prequels.
Honestly, I don't agree with everything and I think the sequels definitely have a lot of flaws but it's great to finally get a review that's not just negative and "all the things I despise about the sequel trilogy". I feel like, online, people talk about the things they hate more than the things they like. The number of thumbnails I've seen like "TROS IS TRASH!!","THE SEQUEL TRILOGY IS THE WORST THING EVEEERR!!!!" and after watching some of those videos I felt like should hate the films more and hop on the hate train. Anyway, great video and I think you raised some pretty good points (like how Luke wasn't actually that strong in the OT and he couldn't live up to the legend).
I am a fan as well for all the movies. Thanks for this video proving that their is fans like us who still appreciate anything Star Wars.