GREAT comparison .I went with the 2021 Dark Stealth Ducati. Akra system , MAP and low restriction air filter installed prior too taking delivery, so I can't compare to stock. I'll tell you this, after 3,000 miles, wheelies NO problem. A little intimidating shifting @ 130 pulling the front wheel !. 7,000 miles since end of January, my basic transportation and loving it. You did not mention the rear cylinders deactivates, when hot, at an idle and counter rotating crankshaft. The single sided swing arm, very distinctive I personally like the engine breaking, BUT like you stated does get a little choppy at times. The flat black and no engine cc's displayed and quiet idle, the bike is a factory sleeper. 80-90 miles on a tank of fuel,, oh well. You want too play, you got to pay. Will dyno the S.F. shortly. expect about 205 at the rear wheel. Launch control is WILD ! Hang on for dear life above 150, the wind wants too ripe you off the bike. Prefer my 2017 Panigale 1299S at high speeds. OH I'm 72+ and still at it.. Be safe guys.
Legend. The only thing stopping me from swapping my tracer 900 GT for an MT10 was the fuel range. The aprillia is a bit better. Still a beginner rider so I'll keep to the tracer for a while but want to test ride and get the 21 aprillia before long, but not the factory version, i think the standard version in glacier white looks better and is bigger which I need because I'm 6 ft
Came across this fantastic comparison a little late.. I owned a MT10 SP and always got in my mind to try those two bikes. I had luck to find both (SF V4S and Tuono Factory) to my friend's showroom. Starting by saying that those are two incredibly fast and high-level bikes, I felt the SF's throttle a little bit too much filtered by the eletronics. Generally speaking I think all the bike is a little bit too filtered. The riding position was really nice and the general feelings of the Ducati were amazing. I was almost pulling the trigger on it After the Ducati I tried the Tuono andOMG I'm so glad I've done it. the Tuono felt more a "racing bike" than the SF, the connection between my wirst and the rear tyre is much more sincere and the bike feels like a razor. The power difference is not so noticable on roads and you can feel the Tuono standing up a little in the low-mid rpms comparing to the SF. Ended up by trading my MT10SP for the 2022 Tuono Factory. My friend gave me a nice deal with a fantastic discount on some RSV4's forged wheels. It's a plug and play mod that makes the Tuono even more agile by saving almost 5lbs comparing to the stock wheels. Done a 520 conversion and also switched the (already very good) master cylinder for a Brembo RCS19 Corsa Corta and with a Gabro's Race tune the Tuono is the real perfect machine. Couldnt be happier with my choice Cheers from Italy
@@paul_7612 That's great to hear! Do you find the Tuono to be more difficult to ride? I hear some people say that the throttle is significantly more aggressive than the MT10
@@FadilKarim Tuono isn't a friendly bike. It requires some skills to well ride it. It is more a "physical" bike than the MT. The MT can be ride like a supermoto due to his riding position where u have ur seat low and an high handlebar. The Tuono is directly a sister of the RSV4 so you will need more weight transfer (with all body) riding style. My 18 MT10 was more nimble to ride. the Tuono feels way more stable. The fact that MT keep on getting his front wheel up is for sure fun but being able to feel every little crack under your front tyre in your handlebar is what makes the Tuono known as the best naked out there. Throttle on Aprilia's AEM level on 2 feels like Yamaha's level 1. So, yes, the throttle will be more sensible but i wouldn't say "aggressive". If you put AEM level on 1 it will be (IMHO) too much direct for street use. Generally speaking i overall prefer the Tuono over the M10SP, better brakes, better frame, better electronics, better look (that's personal).
This was a great review! The Ducati is the logical choice and the Aprilia is the passionate one. I went to the dealer to buy a Streetfighter and I rode a new Tuono home. For me, there's something very special about the Tuono's engine and the way it makes you feel when you ride it. I just love how rowdy and playful it is. I ride bikes because they are fun and the ones that make me smile the most get the nod. I'm sure I would have also have been very happy with the Streetfighter. It is an incredible, very fast machine. We are fortunate to live in an amazing time when you can go to the store and buy something as truly fantastic as these two bikes are right out of the box.
Awesome review guys, you smashing it out the park with these stunning reviews. Owned my SFV4S for 9 months now, Domino grips make a massive difference. Ride in up to 40 odd degrees here in Australia, heat only an issue if stuck at the lights or trundling home in suburbia the last few km. Tank range a pain, ducati lying about capacity which is a real 13.6 Litres. 140-145km (86-90 miles til light on even in street mode. 78km at recent track day (48 miles)!!
Nice review guys. If I had to make another comment it would be that when you get to the "which bike would I take.." part at the end, shouldn't you make that decision based on the standard spec you just rode rather than chose one because you could then spend 6 grand adding a full Akra system and remap? That's all. Very enjoyable to watch guys.
Interestingly, I've seen dyno runs from both bikes and they nearly lay on top of each other up until the Aprilia hits redline (and the Duc has a couple thousand rpm further to go). Both are fantastic bikes and on the street they're going to be right next to each other at any 'license retaining' speeds.
Really enjoying the in-depth reviews (from bikes to pasties :-) , this particular video helped push me over the edge to go for the Tuono; as much as I loved the Ducati SF, the stock exhaust really needs nothing more, sounds like all hell's broken free; but the fuel range was a show stopper; not to mention the feel of the chasis and performance of Tuona felt so much better. This is the 2nd time; your video of the 2019 V4 Tuono mentioning the price at the end had me scrambling for the phone to call Wheels Motorcycles; so one viewer x 2 Tuono sales at Wheels (Thanks Joe) in 2 years!! And Thanks LCR!
I've now owned that Ape for 6 months and 6k miles. I've put the Race ECU and the SC Project SC1-R exhaust on it. The fueling is punchy in 2nd gear! For 2½k miles it was on the stock rear rubber (learning the bike) then 3 RS11 rear tires. This bike goes through rear rubber like the Cookie Monster. Twisting roads on the Ape is pure bliss! Now it sits in my shed as the world's covered in snow and swears at me in Italian when ever I go to the shed ); Cruise control is a first for me on a bike, that's saved my license a few times. Road gets bumpy, I push a button and it smooths it out remarkably well. Only niggle is the fueling in 2nd gear at 30 mph..... punchy!
Thanks guys for an enjoyable comparison. Given last time John liked the Speed over the Tuono but then started to have a change of hear later, I wonder if you might feel the same way about the Streetfighter. I'm looking forward to the SDR review and quietly hoping yo like that best of all.
I rode both and yes is true you have to spend time on the SF to make it yours. I did the mapping running remove the gap on the throttle and after 3k miles I finally can said that the SF was the right choice but for the price the Aprillia come more settle from factory however once you make the SF your there is nothing close
Very watchable and enjoyable video Mr. Chops, has it all - incisive detail, change of opinion, knit-picking detail and erudition. I think Greg’s addition really adds a nice counter-balance and on test reality. I think it boils down to this: the SF is the choice, perhaps, for more Kudos, better build, dealers and resale but fewer miles. The Tuono for better value, a better all round motorbike, feel and involvement. Both incredible Italian stallions. Tuono please.
Great job Chops.....top comparison video again. I'd be happy with either of these machines. It's a bit like the saying " six of one and half a dozen of the other ".
Great review and conclusion...My mate has the Ducati SF and I have the Tuono and we both have said the same thing about the bikes.Both great bikes, but he prefers mine to ride, I prefer the look of the SF Something not mentioned, a new SF is £20k and you can now pick up a new Tuono Factory for £16.5k!
the Tuono is missing the forged wheels, brakes are not at the level of the Ducati. if you calculate in the loss in value over time, Aprilia looses value much more. In the long run, the SF V4S is the better buy. This is the opion of a long years Tuono Factory fan boy, having much experience with it. And I personally say No to the 2021 Tuono design/colour scheme.
Great review Chopsy, I had a Panigale V4R (before massive clutch/transmission issues) and riding it around Florida in the summer was _brutal_ . It was like strapping a piece of Alcantara to a volcano. Even in leathers, in the summer heat, it's shocking. And I test rode the Streetright, and found the same thing. At first, it feels like heaven, about half an hour in, I was like "why is this so uncomfortable?" And it is very sterile to ride. Aprilia for me (and maybe literally).
One thing you're forgetting when it applies to wheelies, I think the SF has a significantly longer wheelbase. I also find the Streetfighter all day comfortable but I'm 5'10". Great video nonetheless 👍
Great review, Gregorio patting the front wheel of the Tuono like a new girlfriend...priceless! Love to have a Tuono, but sadly can only afford one bike and ride all year. Great stuff as usual guys 👍
Thanks guys, great review!! In the states the first thing we do on most bikes, especially on the the Ducati Street Fighter is remap W/exhaust, chain & sprockets!! If I could only have one bike, Tuono for sure!! I have a first gen Diavel, and I just got a 19-V4s! Having the best of both worlds is pretty sweet, But the Tuono is so good It might make it in my garage anyway!!-@ a used $$$$ of course!! 🍻
Excellent review. I have owned a 2019 Tuono V4 Factory (only kept it 8 months) and ridden the Streetfighter. Further proof that it's horses for courses, totally amazing bikes that are completely lost on me, I ride everyday all year round and find both of these lack what you need and have a surfeit of what you don't. Totally impractical in terms of storage, horrible in traffic (hot, snatchy and unwieldy), don't really start to work until jail speed, uncomfortable after a very short time in the saddle, useless range, appalling fuel consumption, loads of electronics you don't use. And most importantly for me I get off every time with a hollow feeling that I haven't and never will come close to using anything like it's capability. Most of us can't afford to buy and run a 20 grand toy.. and that's what it is. Yet more examples of utterly brilliant, utterly pointless "arms race" bikes borne out by the numbers they actually sell. Me... well I've accepted my limitations and have a super rewarding huge fun time on my Street Triple RS and Ducati Supersport S, 95% of the time they are 95% better than the megabikes...
Another great video Chopsy, always like Greg's input 👍 It's very hard to isolate heat on a bike where the engine is most of the frame - I don't like feeling like a boil in the bag meal !
Learned a lot! Great discussion about both bikes. I think I would take the Tuono, but would have to cover the seat with black and have the wheels power coated gloss black. Throw on an SC project exhaust and then grins and giggles every day! Great bike!
I owned the 2017 Tuono & recently changed to the 2021 Tuono, the suspension is far superior on the 21, but because I had a can & remap on the 17 the fuelling felt better, I swapped the can & link pipe from the 17 onto the 21 & it made a massive difference, The surging feel the exhaust flap opening & closing has gone, the 21 is now perfect & better than the 17 mainly due to the suspension/handling.
Great honest review as always lads, good to get the real feel and honest opinion. Keep up the good work! There will be a few purchases on the back of this I would think.
Great review guys . As someone else said here. Comparison should be as they come from the shop, not how they might be once you've spent another bag load of money on performance upgrades. I had a 2017 Tuono Factory and covered 12.5k miles on it in 18 months. I loved it so much I now have a 2020 Tuono Factory :-).
Cracking video chopsy and Greg👍, still think the SDR is a better all round bike, as it can be a hooligan and has great manners in town too. There are no real bad bikes in the hyper naked class its just up to the individuals choice. Cant wait for the SDR review and thoughts. Cheers guys👍👍😃
A proper fuel range mention, woohoo. A 16L tank is a joke, 18.5 sounds ok but it really isnt given the thirst of the ape. I had an ape as a daily rider for 4 years and whilst it is an amazing thing, as a daily it was too highly strung, particularly in the convict colony with its nanny state speed policing. Its hard to make a case for these being street bikes given they are just race bikes with lesser plastics. great review chaps!
Great review, really enjoyable and informative. If you get the chance could you do a video of setting up the user mode on the Aprilia. First time having electronic suspension etc and tbh I don’t have a clue. Thanks
I could listen to the sound of these two bikes going up the road all day long. It’s the Tuono for me. I think it’s the best looking bike in years. If I was 13 it would be on a poster in my bedroom. Instead it’s on a poster in my garage.
Great review and demonstrates just how subjective opinions are. I find my SF scarily fast, massively engaging and comfortable for a whole days riding. Must have a go on the Aprilia though
I really miss the Italian flag sort of colour scheme that was on factory Tuono I think pre 2018 or something. That green back end looked sexy as hell. I do hope Yamaha comes out with an updated version of MT-10 (which I love top bits) on the level of Tuono. If they don't, I might actually switch to Tuono in a year or two.
Just watching your channel for the first time & I'll say as a former Ducati (5) & currently Aprilia owner & I'd take Tuono any day over the SFV4, grant them that they are sexy as hell but Aprilia I've found their quality to be superior to Ducati. I love the attention to detail but the quality is questionable over time. My Aprilia is a beast amd and haven't had any issues so far, may not be the eye looker as a Duc (subjective) but they've grown on me over the years
Great review as usual ,I have tried most /owned most of the super naked over the last fifteen years ,I am on my sixth Tuono with out doubt the best one yet ,always the realiabitie is raised never had a problem and the 2021 model can be had for £3500 cheaper than the Ducati don't delay that difference buys an Akra and an awfully lot of bling.
Chopsy your choice should have been based on the bikes you rose not based on getting it right with maps & mods, the Aprilia is the winner in standard trim
Gr8 review as always Chopsy...love the sound of the V4s..Aprilia seem to have the best sound even between the superbikes...m8..on the video at 26.00 minutes..is there a crack on the engine bolts where the two tighten together..just near the wiring.or is it flaky paint...... Cheers m8...keep em coming..
thanks so much for this, I've been waiting for you guys to do this as I have been deliberating over which of these two bikes to buy. Has to be Aprilia, thanks guys. you make a great team, Awesome !
I have not owned the Tuono. However, I have owned the SFV4S as well as the Super Duke Gen 2 and Monster 1200S. If I'm completely honest, I really didn't love the SF in stock form. Like you said, it feels unengaging at lower RPMs and it is quite tiring to ride. The lack of cruise control just exacerbates the situation because there's no way to give your hand a break, and you really need it on this bike. It drinks fuel like no other bike I've ever come across, and it does get hot. Having said all that, I did all the mods you're talking about to the SF. I did the full Akra exhaust, fuel map, BST wheels, heated grips, and dry clutch kit. With these mods, the whole character of the bike is changed and it becomes much more aggressive, and just overall a meaner, more engaging machine. The sound is epic, the throttle response becomes more immediate, and the dry clutch gives it a more raw feel. To be sure, those are expensive upgrades. But they're mostly worth it. On the negative side, those mods don't do anything to fix the heat, it's perhaps even more tiring to ride, and it still drinks fuel like an M1 Abrams. So the big question is, how does a heavily modded SFV4 compare to a heavily modded Monster 1200S or Super Duke? That's actually a difficult question to answer. Fully modded, the SFV4 is very, very good and by far the sexiest naked bike on the market. But the counter-rotating crank and electronics make it feel like a ballistic missile rather than a hooligan machine like the other two. With fuel map and full exhaust, the 1200S and 1290R want to wheelie constantly and feel faster on the street, even though they're way down on power. The SF does feel considerably more premium, though. I've said before, the perfect naked would have been the new SF design but with the 1299 engine. That would have been utterly ridiculous and sounded like Godzilla.
G/day mate just found your channel and loved the 1100 hypo restoration project, but got to episode 10 and couldn’t find more ?? What happened to the rest mate? Great content from your channel subbed
Yeah, I don't get that either, maybe there's an issue with that test bike? Of the 3 modes, putting it on the least braking almost feels like nothing to me. I set it on medium and it's perfect.
It’s simply personal preference. I used to think I enjoyed it until I tried a tune with the engine braking set very minimal. Now I greatly prefer that. There is no right or wrong.
@@dbtrackz33 That's fine, but not really the issue. There are 3 settings on the bike: a lot, medium, and almost none. Pick your flavor. Chops rode the Euro 4 2020 and never mentioned it in that review, so either something's changed on the Euro5, or the settings were not working on that bike.
@@duckylucky6505 and on min it's still too high. Could be the compression is too soft front and/or rear rebound too high exaberating the issue. They kept saying it was pushing them forward letting off.
Great vid & review. What a tough choice . You can't go too far wrong with either but there's something naughty about the Tuono I can't ignore. Although the Street fighter is a total badass!
Hey guys don't forget the counter rotating crankshaft and longish wheel base both contribute to the anti-wheelie nature of the SF. Good watch though guys.
My niggles with the Tuono were a hunting throttle (couldn't maintain a steady speed) and clunky gearbox+quickshifter (felt like it would break eventually).
Another great comparo, congratulations! I would never buy a motorcycle in 2021 with desmodromic valve train, it is just too archaic. Add to it the better midrange of the V4 in the Multistrada and I have no doubt the Streetfighter would be a better motorcycle with that engine. Of course, then I would never buy a motorcycle with the looks of the Streetfighter V4 but that is personal. The Tuono is amazing but I would prefer the 2019/2020 Tuono V4 or the 2021 Speed triple RS
They are saying that the Ducati is slightly faster but doesn’t have as much punch but then watching them in the video it seemed a completely different story than what they were saying. Seemed a lot faster and a lot faster right away.
I own a 2018 Super Duke 1290r and a 2019 MV AGusta dragster 800rr Pirelli Edition. I bought the MV over the Ducati Streetfighter. Just like the super Duke is more streetable rpm vs tract style rpm, I chose something more manageable and smaller. The triple is like a V4 with high rpm horsepower and torque but with more character. We all want the biggest and fastest but then you realize there will always be halo bikes with tech drifting to other bikes. I almost bought a Tuono over the Super Duke but that engine in the SD is hard to beat. Actually this is my Second Super Duke but a 2016 GT before. Thx for the video. I like the looks of the Streetfighter but the v4 in the Aprilia.
Awesome review mate you’re on 🔥 lately John 👌🏻👌🏻 me id bag the Streetfighter even though i love the Tuono i just absolutely love the Streetfighter it’s the ultimate super naked imo 💪🏻💪🏻
Greate review but that awesome-sound the Tuono makes and the not so awesome sound Streetfighters makes Is a deal breaker for me. It’s hard to believe but I think I prefer the sound of a twin over the Streetfighter.
I have the 19 Tuono & my mate has a 21 SF with the full system, lightweight wheels etc. It's a phenomenal bike but is it THAT much better than mine... Nope. I find my bike such a good all rounder - just contemplating changing to the 21 Aprilia Tuono now
GREAT comparison .I went with the 2021 Dark Stealth Ducati. Akra system , MAP and low restriction air filter installed prior too taking delivery, so I can't compare to stock. I'll tell you this, after 3,000 miles, wheelies NO problem. A little intimidating shifting @ 130 pulling the front wheel !. 7,000 miles since end of January, my basic transportation and loving it. You did not mention the rear cylinders deactivates, when hot, at an idle and counter rotating crankshaft. The single sided swing arm, very distinctive I personally like the engine breaking, BUT like you stated does get a little choppy at times. The flat black and no engine cc's displayed and quiet idle, the bike is a factory sleeper. 80-90 miles on a tank of fuel,, oh well. You want too play, you got to pay. Will dyno the S.F. shortly. expect about 205 at the rear wheel. Launch control is WILD ! Hang on for dear life above 150, the wind wants too ripe you off the bike. Prefer my 2017 Panigale 1299S at high speeds. OH I'm 72+ and still at it.. Be safe guys.
Legend. The only thing stopping me from swapping my tracer 900 GT for an MT10 was the fuel range. The aprillia is a bit better. Still a beginner rider so I'll keep to the tracer for a while but want to test ride and get the 21 aprillia before long, but not the factory version, i think the standard version in glacier white looks better and is bigger which I need because I'm 6 ft
@@nbl1ve804 I'm 6 foot as well. It would be a boring world if we all preferred the same thing. TRY too test ride.
Thinking or trading my Supersport for the tuono. I want more power. Should I do it ?
Getting a slightly used Tuono V4, even a non-factory model, is an amazing value for the amount of bike you get.
Just what I did for my '19 rr. I love it.
Keep a very close eye on your oil level. Mine burns a lot of oil!
@deankruse4491 how's it going since then? Burning oil on a couple years old bike isn't good at all I'm afraid.
Easy choice.. aprilia all day every day!!
Easy choice.. ktm all day every day!!
@@99Apit bleah
Came across this fantastic comparison a little late..
I owned a MT10 SP and always got in my mind to try those two bikes. I had luck to find both (SF V4S and Tuono Factory) to my friend's showroom.
Starting by saying that those are two incredibly fast and high-level bikes, I felt the SF's throttle a little bit too much filtered by the eletronics. Generally speaking I think all the bike is a little bit too filtered. The riding position was really nice and the general feelings of the Ducati were amazing. I was almost pulling the trigger on it
After the Ducati I tried the Tuono andOMG I'm so glad I've done it. the Tuono felt more a "racing bike" than the SF, the connection between my wirst and the rear tyre is much more sincere and the bike feels like a razor. The power difference is not so noticable on roads and you can feel the Tuono standing up a little in the low-mid rpms comparing to the SF.
Ended up by trading my MT10SP for the 2022 Tuono Factory. My friend gave me a nice deal with a fantastic discount on some RSV4's forged wheels.
It's a plug and play mod that makes the Tuono even more agile by saving almost 5lbs comparing to the stock wheels. Done a 520 conversion and also switched the (already very good) master cylinder for a Brembo RCS19 Corsa Corta and with a Gabro's Race tune the Tuono is the real perfect machine.
Couldnt be happier with my choice
Cheers from Italy
How's your experience with Aprilia reliability been? As a former MT10 owner, I'm also considering the Tuono.
@@FadilKarimFor now got 5600 kms on it and never had any single problem.
@@paul_7612 That's great to hear! Do you find the Tuono to be more difficult to ride? I hear some people say that the throttle is significantly more aggressive than the MT10
@@FadilKarim Tuono isn't a friendly bike. It requires some skills to well ride it. It is more a "physical" bike than the MT. The MT can be ride like a supermoto due to his riding position where u have ur seat low and an high handlebar. The Tuono is directly a sister of the RSV4 so you will need more weight transfer (with all body) riding style. My 18 MT10 was more nimble to ride. the Tuono feels way more stable. The fact that MT keep on getting his front wheel up is for sure fun but being able to feel every little crack under your front tyre in your handlebar is what makes the Tuono known as the best naked out there. Throttle on Aprilia's AEM level on 2 feels like Yamaha's level 1. So, yes, the throttle will be more sensible but i wouldn't say "aggressive". If you put AEM level on 1 it will be (IMHO) too much direct for street use.
Generally speaking i overall prefer the Tuono over the M10SP, better brakes, better frame, better electronics, better look (that's personal).
@@paul_7612 thank you very much, I will have to arrange for a test ride to see how I like it 😁
I come back to this video a lot … test rode both bikes … bought Aprilia and have never regretted it. It’s perfect
you're the best! feel like i'm with friends chatting
This was a great review!
The Ducati is the logical choice and the Aprilia is the passionate one.
I went to the dealer to buy a Streetfighter and I rode a new Tuono home. For me, there's something very special about the Tuono's engine and the way it makes you feel when you ride it. I just love how rowdy and playful it is. I ride bikes because they are fun and the ones that make me smile the most get the nod. I'm sure I would have also have been very happy with the Streetfighter. It is an incredible, very fast machine. We are fortunate to live in an amazing time when you can go to the store and buy something as truly fantastic as these two bikes are right out of the box.
Very true Steven 👍
I think we need a new channel for this new team, what a team you two are. Keep it up and thanks for the content
Awesome review guys, you smashing it out the park with these stunning reviews. Owned my SFV4S for 9 months now, Domino grips make a massive difference. Ride in up to 40 odd degrees here in Australia, heat only an issue if stuck at the lights or trundling home in suburbia the last few km. Tank range a pain, ducati lying about capacity which is a real 13.6 Litres. 140-145km (86-90 miles til light on even in street mode. 78km at recent track day (48 miles)!!
Brilliant feedback Andrew, interesting about the tank capacity.. makes you wonder if other manufacturers arnt exactly truthful about that.. 👍
@@LambChopRides Yep ran it dry for science as I didn't believe it held 16 litres. 183km (113 miles) completely empty to brimmed 13.6 litres
Nice review guys. If I had to make another comment it would be that when you get to the "which bike would I take.." part at the end, shouldn't you make that decision based on the standard spec you just rode rather than chose one because you could then spend 6 grand adding a full Akra system and remap? That's all. Very enjoyable to watch guys.
Great review as always-- thanks especially for this one! (Tuono all day...)
Never been here so bloody fast! Watching now 🤓 looking forward to this!
Interestingly, I've seen dyno runs from both bikes and they nearly lay on top of each other up until the Aprilia hits redline (and the Duc has a couple thousand rpm further to go). Both are fantastic bikes and on the street they're going to be right next to each other at any 'license retaining' speeds.
What a breakdown - that was awesome, cheers guys! I need to get my hands on the Aprilia this year
Thanks Max 👍
Great bikes but Wheels have a deal on the Tuono at the moment so might be nipping down there to sign for one.
Nice work gents! 👍
Really enjoying the in-depth reviews (from bikes to pasties :-) , this particular video helped push me over the edge to go for the Tuono; as much as I loved the Ducati SF, the stock exhaust really needs nothing more, sounds like all hell's broken free; but the fuel range was a show stopper; not to mention the feel of the chasis and performance of Tuona felt so much better. This is the 2nd time; your video of the 2019 V4 Tuono mentioning the price at the end had me scrambling for the phone to call Wheels Motorcycles; so one viewer x 2 Tuono sales at Wheels (Thanks Joe) in 2 years!! And Thanks LCR!
I've now owned that Ape for 6 months and 6k miles. I've put the Race ECU and the SC Project SC1-R exhaust on it.
The fueling is punchy in 2nd gear!
For 2½k miles it was on the stock rear rubber (learning the bike) then 3 RS11 rear tires. This bike goes through rear rubber like the Cookie Monster.
Twisting roads on the Ape is pure bliss!
Now it sits in my shed as the world's covered in snow and swears at me in Italian when ever I go to the shed );
Cruise control is a first for me on a bike, that's saved my license a few times.
Road gets bumpy, I push a button and it smooths it out remarkably well.
Only niggle is the fueling in 2nd gear at 30 mph..... punchy!
Very interesting and real world comparison……it’s making me want another aprilia…..thx lads
Thanks guys for an enjoyable comparison. Given last time John liked the Speed over the Tuono but then started to have a change of hear later, I wonder if you might feel the same way about the Streetfighter. I'm looking forward to the SDR review and quietly hoping yo like that best of all.
You two make for a great review.
I rode both and yes is true you have to spend time on the SF to make it yours. I did the mapping running remove the gap on the throttle and after 3k miles I finally can said that the SF was the right choice but for the price the Aprillia come more settle from factory however once you make the SF your there is nothing close
Very watchable and enjoyable video Mr. Chops, has it all - incisive detail, change of opinion, knit-picking detail and erudition. I think Greg’s addition really adds a nice counter-balance and on test reality. I think it boils down to this: the SF is the choice, perhaps, for more Kudos, better build, dealers and resale but fewer miles. The Tuono for better value, a better all round motorbike, feel and involvement. Both incredible Italian stallions. Tuono please.
Thanks Nigel appreciated 👍
Agree with everything you guys said! Bought the Tuono
Really enjoyed the comparison of two beautiful bikes. Keep up the excellent reviews.
Great job Chops.....top comparison video again.
I'd be happy with either of these machines. It's a bit like the saying " six of one and half a dozen of the other ".
I have the 2011 Tuomo and commute on it, do about 10000 miles on it a year. Just love it.😁 .
Great review and conclusion...My mate has the Ducati SF and I have the Tuono and we both have said the same thing about the bikes.Both great bikes, but he prefers mine to ride, I prefer the look of the SF
Something not mentioned, a new SF is £20k and you can now pick up a new Tuono Factory for £16.5k!
Yes saw the Tuono was now only £16500! Great for that money
the Tuono is missing the forged wheels, brakes are not at the level of the Ducati.
if you calculate in the loss in value over time, Aprilia looses value much more.
In the long run, the SF V4S is the better buy.
This is the opion of a long years Tuono Factory fan boy, having much experience with it.
And I personally say No to the 2021 Tuono design/colour scheme.
The Eric & Ernie of the bike world 😀 A great team and a great review - Thanks 👍
Great review Chopsy, I had a Panigale V4R (before massive clutch/transmission issues) and riding it around Florida in the summer was _brutal_ . It was like strapping a piece of Alcantara to a volcano. Even in leathers, in the summer heat, it's shocking. And I test rode the Streetright, and found the same thing. At first, it feels like heaven, about half an hour in, I was like "why is this so uncomfortable?" And it is very sterile to ride. Aprilia for me (and maybe literally).
Aprilia is not so hot ?
Congratulation an extremely enjoyable review !!
One thing you're forgetting when it applies to wheelies, I think the SF has a significantly longer wheelbase. I also find the Streetfighter all day comfortable but I'm 5'10". Great video nonetheless 👍
Yes good point Keith 👍
At 6’2 I can ride the SF all day! Love it! Have the termi slips ons here in a few days. 😎
Great video and really enjoy your channel
Great review, Gregorio patting the front wheel of the Tuono like a new girlfriend...priceless! Love to have a Tuono, but sadly can only afford one bike and ride all year. Great stuff as usual guys 👍
Thanks guys, great review!!
In the states the first thing we do on most bikes, especially on the the Ducati Street Fighter is remap W/exhaust, chain & sprockets!!
If I could only have one bike, Tuono for sure!!
I have a first gen Diavel, and I just got a 19-V4s!
Having the best of both worlds is pretty sweet,
But the Tuono is so good It might make it in my garage anyway!!-@ a used $$$$ of course!! 🍻
looks like you were having loads of fun there chaps
Cracking comparison video, prefer the looks of the Tuono
Excellent review. I have owned a 2019 Tuono V4 Factory (only kept it 8 months) and ridden the Streetfighter. Further proof that it's horses for courses, totally amazing bikes that are completely lost on me, I ride everyday all year round and find both of these lack what you need and have a surfeit of what you don't. Totally impractical in terms of storage, horrible in traffic (hot, snatchy and unwieldy), don't really start to work until jail speed, uncomfortable after a very short time in the saddle, useless range, appalling fuel consumption, loads of electronics you don't use. And most importantly for me I get off every time with a hollow feeling that I haven't and never will come close to using anything like it's capability. Most of us can't afford to buy and run a 20 grand toy.. and that's what it is. Yet more examples of utterly brilliant, utterly pointless "arms race" bikes borne out by the numbers they actually sell. Me... well I've accepted my limitations and have a super rewarding huge fun time on my Street Triple RS and Ducati Supersport S, 95% of the time they are 95% better than the megabikes...
Great review! Would really like to see a comparison between last gen tuono and current gen. That would be awesome to see.
Love these comparisons! Waiting on the BMW supernaked vs.... next :)
Tuono v4 🤙🔥🔥more hooligan more wheelies 🤘and Looks better✊sounds better too😍
I was literally looking for a video on this just yesterday, Chopsy saves the day again!
Welcome Daulton 👍
Another great video Chopsy, always like Greg's input 👍 It's very hard to isolate heat on a bike where the engine is most of the frame - I don't like feeling like a boil in the bag meal !
Haha thanks Nick 👍
Learned a lot! Great discussion about both bikes. I think I would take the Tuono, but would have to cover the seat with black and have the wheels power coated gloss black. Throw on an SC project exhaust and then grins and giggles every day! Great bike!
I owned the 2017 Tuono & recently changed to the 2021 Tuono, the suspension is far superior on the 21, but because I had a can & remap on the 17 the fuelling felt better, I swapped the can & link pipe from the 17 onto the 21 & it made a massive difference, The surging feel the exhaust flap opening & closing has gone, the 21 is now perfect & better than the 17 mainly due to the suspension/handling.
Very interesting Simon 👍👍
Which exhaust are you using on the tuono 21? Do you have the map also?
@@savvy121 I’m using the Arrow Carbon, I just think it sounds better than the Akra I didn’t change the map
Great honest review as always lads, good to get the real feel and honest opinion. Keep up the good work! There will be a few purchases on the back of this I would think.
Thanks Mark 👍
Great review guys . As someone else said here. Comparison should be as they come from the shop, not how they might be once you've spent another bag load of money on performance upgrades. I had a 2017 Tuono Factory and covered 12.5k miles on it in 18 months. I loved it so much I now have a 2020 Tuono Factory :-).
How do you rate the Tuano for daily commuting? Country roads and interstates included
Cracking video chopsy and Greg👍, still think the SDR is a better all round bike, as it can be a hooligan and has great manners in town too. There are no real bad bikes in the hyper naked class its just up to the individuals choice. Cant wait for the SDR review and thoughts. Cheers guys👍👍😃
That's very true sir! 👍
You guys have a good synergy, more duo videos would be cool😎
So many nice bikes. Can not go wrong with any bike nowadays.
Love your channel chops , but the two of you together 👌👍🏼
Dare I say , even better than 44teeth 😱😁
Great review
That's buddy really appreciated 👍👍
@@LambChopRides got to say though , given the choice , I would have the superduke 😁
A proper fuel range mention, woohoo. A 16L tank is a joke, 18.5 sounds ok but it really isnt given the thirst of the ape. I had an ape as a daily rider for 4 years and whilst it is an amazing thing, as a daily it was too highly strung, particularly in the convict colony with its nanny state speed policing. Its hard to make a case for these being street bikes given they are just race bikes with lesser plastics. great review chaps!
Great review, really enjoyable and informative. If you get the chance could you do a video of setting up the user mode on the Aprilia. First time having electronic suspension etc and tbh I don’t have a clue. Thanks
I could listen to the sound of these two bikes going up the road all day long. It’s the Tuono for me. I think it’s the best looking bike in years. If I was 13 it would be on a poster in my bedroom. Instead it’s on a poster in my garage.
2020 Tuono Factory here and very happy!
Great review and demonstrates just how subjective opinions are. I find my SF scarily fast, massively engaging and comfortable for a whole days riding. Must have a go on the Aprilia though
@Miran Kajtna done that ✅
I miss my Tuono V4. Absolutely the 👌 engine sound and performance. Just smooth and powerful all over the rev range.
Good one Chops , well done
I really miss the Italian flag sort of colour scheme that was on factory Tuono I think pre 2018 or something. That green back end looked sexy as hell.
I do hope Yamaha comes out with an updated version of MT-10 (which I love top bits) on the level of Tuono. If they don't, I might actually switch to Tuono in a year or two.
Good detailed and honest review.
Just watching your channel for the first time & I'll say as a former Ducati (5) & currently Aprilia owner & I'd take Tuono any day over the SFV4, grant them that they are sexy as hell but Aprilia I've found their quality to be superior to Ducati. I love the attention to detail but the quality is questionable over time. My Aprilia is a beast amd and haven't had any issues so far, may not be the eye looker as a Duc (subjective) but they've grown on me over the years
Great review as usual ,I have tried most /owned most of the super naked over the last fifteen years ,I am on my sixth Tuono with out doubt the best one yet ,always the realiabitie is raised never had a problem and the 2021 model can be had for £3500 cheaper than the Ducati don't delay that difference buys an Akra and an awfully lot of bling.
Great to hear Mark 👍
Tuono any day, sounds a LOT better, looks better (personally i think the SF is a bit uggo) hey wait, thats why i have a 2017 Tuono :-P
Yes mate I love the looks of the Tuono, the SF is nice but looks a bit like a transformer or a Yam M10
And Twice on Sunday!… Tuono… drop the mic 🎤!
In previous rides on the Ducati you said it was the most comfortable of all the super naked? In this you say the opposite? Which is it?
Great scott !!!, I cant decide between them, so I'll just have to win the lottery and get both..!!.😉👍👍👍🇬🇧
Great video I would pick the aprilia just for the sound stay safe 🇬🇧👍
Great comparison, owned a 2019 tuono and agree with just about everything mentioned.
Thanks buddy 👍
Chopsy your choice should have been based on the bikes you rose not based on getting it right with maps & mods, the Aprilia is the winner in standard trim
Good vid as always....the Tuono isn't exactly naked any more, its a race bike with renthals.
Great video mate, appreciate the work!
Gr8 review as always Chopsy...love the sound of the V4s..Aprilia seem to have the best sound even between the superbikes...m8..on the video at 26.00 minutes..is there a crack on the engine bolts where the two tighten together..just near the wiring.or is it flaky paint......
Cheers m8...keep em coming..
Aprilia build quality
Both great looking bikes I would be more than happy with either one but the duke inches it for me great review again chops
Another excellent video
Now for the speed 1200 RS vs new BMW S1000r 🤞
Triumph hands down on that comparo.
thanks so much for this, I've been waiting for you guys to do this as I have been deliberating over which of these two bikes to buy.
Has to be Aprilia, thanks guys. you make a great team, Awesome !
I have not owned the Tuono. However, I have owned the SFV4S as well as the Super Duke Gen 2 and Monster 1200S.
If I'm completely honest, I really didn't love the SF in stock form. Like you said, it feels unengaging at lower RPMs and it is quite tiring to ride. The lack of cruise control just exacerbates the situation because there's no way to give your hand a break, and you really need it on this bike. It drinks fuel like no other bike I've ever come across, and it does get hot.
Having said all that, I did all the mods you're talking about to the SF. I did the full Akra exhaust, fuel map, BST wheels, heated grips, and dry clutch kit. With these mods, the whole character of the bike is changed and it becomes much more aggressive, and just overall a meaner, more engaging machine. The sound is epic, the throttle response becomes more immediate, and the dry clutch gives it a more raw feel. To be sure, those are expensive upgrades. But they're mostly worth it.
On the negative side, those mods don't do anything to fix the heat, it's perhaps even more tiring to ride, and it still drinks fuel like an M1 Abrams.
So the big question is, how does a heavily modded SFV4 compare to a heavily modded Monster 1200S or Super Duke? That's actually a difficult question to answer. Fully modded, the SFV4 is very, very good and by far the sexiest naked bike on the market. But the counter-rotating crank and electronics make it feel like a ballistic missile rather than a hooligan machine like the other two. With fuel map and full exhaust, the 1200S and 1290R want to wheelie constantly and feel faster on the street, even though they're way down on power. The SF does feel considerably more premium, though.
I've said before, the perfect naked would have been the new SF design but with the 1299 engine. That would have been utterly ridiculous and sounded like Godzilla.
Great feedback Donald thanks 👍
SD Gen 3?
Streetfighter 1299 V 2 180hp. Then we talking🤙🔥
G/day mate just found your channel and loved the 1100 hypo restoration project, but got to episode 10 and couldn’t find more ?? What happened to the rest mate? Great content from your channel subbed
Thanks buddy, Hypermotard build will be back for late autumn / winter so don't worry 😉
@@LambChopRides good news mate thanks for the reply.
Both beautiful bike chops. May I be so bold to ask if there anything in the pipeline for the Aprilia dorsoduro 900.
I did review the 900 Dorsoduro a few years ago Kevin 👍
Cool thanks 😊
Has to be the Ducati!
The engine braking isn't an issue for me at all. I'm surprised you guys have such a problem with it.
Yeah, I don't get that either, maybe there's an issue with that test bike? Of the 3 modes, putting it on the least braking almost feels like nothing to me. I set it on medium and it's perfect.
@@duckylucky6505 Same. Mine is on the middle setting, which is perfect.
It’s simply personal preference. I used to think I enjoyed it until I tried a tune with the engine braking set very minimal. Now I greatly prefer that. There is no right or wrong.
@@dbtrackz33 That's fine, but not really the issue. There are 3 settings on the bike: a lot, medium, and almost none. Pick your flavor. Chops rode the Euro 4 2020 and never mentioned it in that review, so either something's changed on the Euro5, or the settings were not working on that bike.
@@duckylucky6505 and on min it's still too high. Could be the compression is too soft front and/or rear rebound too high exaberating the issue. They kept saying it was pushing them forward letting off.
hey Mate - great review. I love my SF. Question. Where did you get the X2 mount please?
It's comes with the Insta360 motorcycle mounting kit 👍
@@LambChopRides whoa. Mine didn’t! 🥲
Great vid & review. What a tough choice . You can't go too far wrong with either but there's something naughty about the Tuono I can't ignore. Although the Street fighter is a total badass!
Awesome video and review chops. When I grow up I want to be just like you
Haha 👍
Again awesome vlog chops.
Hey guys don't forget the counter rotating crankshaft and longish wheel base both contribute to the anti-wheelie nature of the SF. Good watch though guys.
My niggles with the Tuono were a hunting throttle (couldn't maintain a steady speed) and clunky gearbox+quickshifter (felt like it would break eventually).
So true.
You need to get this guy on the channel more your great together
May be time to part ways with my K61K for one of those Tuono’s. Seems to be the perfect bike for the majority of my riding.
Another great comparo, congratulations! I would never buy a motorcycle in 2021 with desmodromic valve train, it is just too archaic. Add to it the better midrange of the V4 in the Multistrada and I have no doubt the Streetfighter would be a better motorcycle with that engine. Of course, then I would never buy a motorcycle with the looks of the Streetfighter V4 but that is personal. The Tuono is amazing but I would prefer the 2019/2020 Tuono V4 or the 2021 Speed triple RS
Multistrada v4 Ducatis best engine
I’m jealous of your beard lamb chops man that’s immaculate
Great review lads 👏🏻
If that’s a Shoei NXR helmet, I’d be interested in hearing your thoughts on it ☺️
Do yourself a favour skip the nxr and get an x spirit 3
It's the xspirit 3 and I love it 👍
@@LambChopRides can you do a helmet review! Been looking for a new one and you make reviews enjoyable
They are saying that the Ducati is slightly faster but doesn’t have as much punch but then watching them in the video it seemed a completely different story than what they were saying. Seemed a lot faster and a lot faster right away.
I own a 2018 Super Duke 1290r and a 2019 MV AGusta dragster 800rr Pirelli Edition. I bought the MV over the Ducati Streetfighter. Just like the super Duke is more streetable rpm vs tract style rpm, I chose something more manageable and smaller. The triple is like a V4 with high rpm horsepower and torque but with more character. We all want the biggest and fastest but then you realize there will always be halo bikes with tech drifting to other bikes. I almost bought a Tuono over the Super Duke but that engine in the SD is hard to beat. Actually this is my Second Super Duke but a 2016 GT before. Thx for the video. I like the looks of the Streetfighter but the v4 in the Aprilia.
The tuono for me I just love the looks and that sound ❤️🏍❤️
Top stuff as always Chopsy. I would take the Tuono over the "V4" from Duc, just seems to stir the emotions a bit better than the Duc does.
I love both of them but I love my Tuono more. I've tried the rest but I'll stick with the best. Nice vid as always Chops.
Great video by the way. Thanks.
Great vid chops 👍👍 any plans/opportunity coming up to ride the new RSV4?
Unfortunately no demo this year at Wheels 😒 hoping they will next year
Awesome review mate you’re on 🔥 lately John 👌🏻👌🏻 me id bag the Streetfighter even though i love the Tuono i just absolutely love the Streetfighter it’s the ultimate super naked imo 💪🏻💪🏻
I'm the same as you Chop, Aprilia is great but I'd always choose the other bike! haha
Awesome review lads
Greate review but that awesome-sound the Tuono makes and the not so awesome sound Streetfighters makes Is a deal breaker for me. It’s hard to believe but I think I prefer the sound of a twin over the Streetfighter.
I have the 19 Tuono & my mate has a 21 SF with the full system, lightweight wheels etc. It's a phenomenal bike but is it THAT much better than mine... Nope. I find my bike such a good all rounder - just contemplating changing to the 21 Aprilia Tuono now
The tuono. Is the way better pakage. Plus Features like Navi etc
How does the Tuano make for a daily rider motorcycle? Country roads and highways included