the only core value the left has now is victimhood and being pro government the neo-liberals want freedom with out freedom without consequence and freedom without consequence is tyranny every ex leftist talkingpoint is a nothing more than a stick to hit ppl with and is having the effect that ppl hate the lgbtqp and i even forget about the violance and distruction this is why destiny is not a leftist he didnt change as much as the rest did (centrist or even right wing)
It’s freedom of speech 101. A private person/company has the freedom of association to deal with whomever and whatever they want,m. Freedom of speech is pro platforming and pro deplatforming.
look whats happened to sneako. yes the content could potentially be influential, but banning them sends people into an even bigger downward spiral, making them more extreme. sneako getting banned confirms everything he was talking about in his eyes.
@@Blaze6108 its's not even centrist, just basic reading comprehension of the word "congress" in a certain amendment and applying it: Me: not congress Destiny: not congress Twitter: not congress The senate: congress The house: congress Presidential exacutive orders, state assemblies, etc.: actually not congress, but pretty much in a legal sense by legal precedent/the "spirit" of the law. The tools are all there and have been for a long time. Social media companies still need to be regulated, the 1st amendment is just a really hyperbolic and dumb way of arguing it, compared to anti-trust and consumer/data protection laws.
@@aditya5162 Sneako has conspiracy brain. Literally everything that can ever happen just confirms what he's saying in his own eyes, because he'll bend over backwards to make it so and never consider an alternative. But way fewer people will actually hear him now. Even Sneako himself said in one of his earlier Destiny streams that if you aren't on UA-cam you just aren't going to get as much of an audience because almost everybody just wants to stay watching on the platform and not follow you to Rumble or Cozy or whatever
Probably something really adult and boring like: you have to be careful about things you hear on the internet and Andrew Tate is no exception. If you see anything specific about him that interests you you should ask me or your mother. I think not everything is interesting.
Tate being cancelled has helped his image more than not canceling him. For months he was saying he was going to get canceled because he was saying things powerful people didn't want to hear. When you cancel him and don't even bother being specific about what rules he violated to be banned, you play directly into his hand.
He was and he wasn't. He made outrageous statements to get attention then go back on his word saying he didn't mean it in that way. Most people will only see the negative statements he has made, which is arguable that it's not as bad but most people won't read into it much and just stakes it as is without insight of his intentions. Intent doesn't matter because it gives the platforms a terrible name which is bad for buisness
I've seen him everywhere since he was cancelled. I don't really understand what makes you guys so certain it's the semi-deplatforming and not the re-platforming that put wind in his sails. This includes Nick Fuentes. If other youtubers can still keep talking about and host said people, that's not deplatforming helping them out. It's the re-platforming. Is he not still reaching the youth through social media? That's not true cancellation, surely.
What even is so bad about Tate? He's just a successful man who encourages other men to be disciplined so they can be successful too. Is there something I'm missing?
@@alaskantundrawolf8831 Yea I don't get it either. I keep trying to find something bad about it him and can never find anything. Maybe it was the huzlers university thing?
40:00 - So the weird thing about the anti-anti-Semitism to me is that they behave exactly like anti-semites in other areas. Anti-Semites say that Jewish people hold a disproportionate amount of power and therefore are systematically advantaged and that they are oppressed as a result; we can dismiss that offhand because we know that yeah while Jewish people may hold positions of power that they're also disadvantaged in the same system. However then you go over to all the people hating on Kanye for putting forth this argument and you ask them their views on Patriarchy or Systemic racism and what do you get as a result? White people hold a disproportionate amount of power and therefore are systematically advantaged and minorities are oppressed as a result. They likewise ignore that most of the people on the bottom who are disadvantaged by the system are also White and it's just a select few who hold the power. They'll say that men hold a disproportionate amount of power and therefore are systematically advantaged and women are oppressed as a result. Again, they ignore the fact that men are also the most disadvantaged by the system or at best you get the motte and bailey argument "patriarchy hurts men too." So now their usage of "Patriarchy" is utterly useless because the system doesn't really give a fuck if you're male or female it just cares if you're a ruler or a peon.
@@lolwtfbbq111 Where the fuck did you get capitalism out of that? Little spoiler for you my guy. Every socioeconomic system does this. Capitalism, communism, socialism, feudalism, potlatch, social credit, etc. There will always be the rulers and the peons.
Ahh so we're comparing the JQ with shallow understandings of intersectionality and drawing flimsy conclusions I see. Jewish people may be relatively financially advantaged, but they nonethelss suffer from anti-semitism and otherization, which you could undoubtedly argue make them a victimized minority in many ways. Whereas with things like systemic racism, we are talking about a legacy of active and legalized discrimination that have had effects on the world up to today and still occure in less blatant ways than for instance, redlining and segregation. For the JQ to be comparable to this, you would have to argue jews had so much influence, they essentially engineered the social circumstances that lead to them being on top of everyone else, on the basis of their faith or ethnicity or what not. It's not merely about overrepresentation in positions of power, it's how society developed into what it is now and why those overrepresentations happen. While patriarchy more describes an overall powerdynamic, where most people with economic, political and social power are men and as such the aggregate male perspective on gender roles will have the most influence. There is nothing about any of that which indicates men can't suffer due to those dynamics. Like for instance, if male gender roles include being a buff, breadwinning family man who can never cry because that's what girls do, men who dont fit that category will be fcked over for not living up to those expectations. Which is undoubtedly a big reason why this redpill nonsense is growing so fast, cause a lot of nerdy guys want to live up to expectations of manhood that they fail to. For the JQ to be comparable to this, you would have to argue jews have so much influence the entire world would get their understanding of self and ethnicity/religion with respect to the jewish community.
@@NothingElseMattersJM This is something that triggers me so much. Europeans say the wildest shit, like “America is 24th in education” blah blah blah. I even argued with a Brit bonger who said “America is last in education” LMAO. It’s such a misleading statistic, because our secondary education is by FAR the best in the world, as you pointed out. “Uhhhh yeah, America is 24th in education, but we actually stopped counting right when you guys started doing well.” It’s only the most important part of the education process and the number one determinate that impacts future median income. Sorry for the tangent, I just got back from Europe and hearing people trash American education made me a patriot for the first time in my life.
@@TheJoyrunners all that means is that the majority of your populace is educated poorly. A minority of people attend University, this should be the case because it’s intended for specialised cases, most people in Europe don’t need university.
Yep! I think the American education system is pretty great. Yes it scores below a lot of other nations but those results don’t take into account the relative homogeneity of culture. Like for example, Japan. Mostly ethnic Japanese people with very largely shared beliefs about education, hard work etc. Also less socioeconomic variation and distance among people. America. 1800 different cultures with wildly varying beliefs about education, hard work etc and a TON of socioeconomic variation and distance between people. Most of the studies I’ve looked at suggest that socioeconomic factors have a huge impact on educational attainment and the quality of schools by region.
Destiny is wrong about colleges. No, people should be challenged in highschool. First, it would cover more people. Second, highschool in most countries is part of higher education and it's the last time you receive a general education. In college you are specializing. Why would a math student waste his time with debating in college? The math courses are already hard enough.
Because college generally is where you truly start thinking for yourself, the majority of high school students are still wanting just to be told what the "right" answer is or even more commonly follow the popular opinion. That makes debates in high school much harder to do properly.
@@cambyses1529 yeah, so why do we promote this in highschool? Highschool isnt built around some genetic inability to be civil before 19. It just doesnt promote these kinds of challenges.
I was a math student and had PLENTY of debates about things like: does infinity actually exist, the true nature of randomness in Quantum Physics, Should all of psychology just be studying neural networks and algorithms, etc. Usually people in the arts have strong disagreements about applying statistics to things like IQ and physical attractiveness. This can lead to spicy debates at 3 am after a night of drinking :P.
@@acadianalien i mean, isn’t psychology just the study of the outcomes of these neural networks and how it causes people to behave? Neurology seems like the field for that.
"Explaining To A Lefty" had my expectations so low but then it was Lonerbox lmao. Lonerbox is so much more reasonable of a person than anyone I was expecting to just get referred to as "lefty". Honestly such a huge fan I wish there were more lefties like him
To add to Destiny's point here vis a vi Deplatforming, there is a difference between the development of ideals and simply being a part of a group. Simply being told what to say or what voices you should hear is not enough to develop a coherent philosophy. You actually need to critically analyze those ideas. I agree with Destiny College needs to be that place. However, that is not enough. Platforms like Twitter and UA-cam are perfect opportunities to have educational spaces with critical conversation. Humor, Drama, Charisma are all tools we can use to get the audience engaged, then after they are locked in , ask the hard questions in a responsible manner.
How can you have a critical conversation on Twitter? Unironic Twitter discourse is only good for stupid people with low attention spans who want an excuse to brainwash themselves.
unpopular opinion: people like people because they relate to what they say, not because they were "manipulated". It's the reason so many men like andrew tate because they resonate with him based on their experiences.
@@66.6howl yay. I predicted someone would strawman my comment with kids. I'm obviously only talking about ADULTS. If you reread my comment, it clearly says "men". Men are adults.
@@66.6howl no, no I do not. Manipulation implies malicious, targeted intent. Tates content is obviously aimed at young adult men, not kids. If kids are falling into his content, you should be blaming their parents for not monitoring what they're doing.
AT is good at pandering to his community. He knows how he needs to present himself & what they want to hear from him. He is exploiting their hurt & anger & is a great grifter. His so- called experience is not exactly the experience of most of these men. What resonates with them is fantasizing abt being a wealthy, " alpha male" who gets lots of women.
"You can't even name the ones you think are genocidal because they'll just sue the shit out of everyone" He says it like he's shocked people don't want to be labeled genocidal by strangers on the internet🤣🤣🤣
This sounds clever but it’s really just sophistry. Individuals are the only independently existing persons, you can’t censor a “group” apart from the individuals within that group. All you’re actually saying is “censorship is bad because people get censored.”
I understand that the context in the US is different but I wonder what is Destiny’s opinion on Germany banning Nazi ideology, Eastern block banning Communism and EU now banning RT
I think a great point the guy made is about dogmatism when it comes to certain progressive issues is you say “ trans women are women “ but them cant define what a women is or when challenged you just fall apart it shows your just a mouth piece for your ideology
Well the term is socially constructed, most cultures have a slightly different definition of gender, but from what we know at its basis it’s an identification confined to culture and self expression. So yes trans women are women because nothing really defines a women and it makes it easier in life to be respectful for most. I do it because I care about the ppl I love and I care about humanity and the ability to be fluid.
How is that "falling apart" though? The silly thing about that stupid question is that even if you completely remove the trans section from it, we would still struggle with a definition because we've moved away from silly stereotypes about gender. It's all purposeful.
@@kadp8096a woman is not socially constructed. A woman is a human with xx chromosomes, has a vagina/uterus. They are not a figment of our imagination. Just bizzare.
How is Destiny’s position on the trans debate any different than Holocaust denial debate? Trans people argue that criticizing them on almost any levels is analogous to actual violence. Pretty much everyone argues the same about Holocaust denial. Any criticism in any way of Jewish people or the holocaust gets you labeled as Destiny put it here “public enemy no. 1” This is not an endorsement of any position I’m just asking why he supports shutting down holocaust deniers on some level but not trans deniers so to speak. The tactics are literally the exact same.
"Any criticism in any way of Jewish people or the holocaust" isnt analogous to critcism of trans issues imo. good faith criticism of "jewish people" as you put it should be allowed. problems arise when you dont go deeper than that. people shouldnt have an issue with the actual jewish PEOPLE. you have issues with their politics or viewpoints on certain topics, which is allowed to be debated. you cant just lump it into this idea of "jewish people," but holocaust denial is a completely different thing entirely. imo the trans community is starting to realize that just outright labeling someone "public enemy no1" and blackballing them from society isnt a way to progress on the issues being debated. its why people champion this idea of free speech. they just want the ability to disagree without being deplatformed and cancelled from society.
the difference is, numbnuts, one actually happened and did so definitionally. the trans genocide, if its an acutal thing, doesn't really have any concrete evidence. I think there are serious questions one can ask about jews in media representation, but its more questions about nepotism manipulating popculture rather than some evil cabal doing it for nepharious reasons.
You can't deplatform Tate or Fuentes. It only makes them bigger on alt-tech. The game has changed. Sneako got 100k+ subscribers on Rumble in a day. People are switching over to see their content creators. All of this is going to have the result that establishment tech (google) will actually have to compete with alt-tech. Rumble won't be as big as UA-cam but if it gets enough pull through people like Sneako, it will force UA-cam into an actual competition as opposed to a monopoly. I have to admit I was mainly just UA-cam but I have been visiting Rumble as of late cause I am curious for the stuff UA-cam won't vet. I see Rumble clips come into UA-cam and then I just want to go over and watch the full thing.
I think Destiny likes to have the idea that his thoughts are far left, but in reality, if we actually c̶o̶p̶u̶l̶a̶t̶e̶ cumulate every one of his opinions, he's actually not very far left. he is on the left, but he's left of center. Maybe further left of center than what you would normally think left of center, but he is so far away from far left. But I think in his head it sounds good for him to say that he has opinions that are far left. That's like being a capitalist and saying oh I'm far right because I have these capitalist opinions, but not really.
@galileogalilei6450 that statement doesn't really tell you what side of the spectrum you're on. So there's liberals on the right and then you have liberals on the left.
People just say the “politically correct” stuff simply because they don’t want to deal with the backlash. I don’t agree with any of it but keep quiet cuz I’ll be punished for it. That’s why I’m glad that people like the Tates, sneako and young don exists
I feel like a lot of people who believe in deep conspiracies seem to always to associate everything happening in the world is targeting them and everything in the world is about them and then they make it a global issue, i think maybe because some people are emotionally immature and always must pick sides in an issue, idk
I’m a paranoid person who naturally leans towards extreme conspiratorial thinking and while I can’t speak for all of us I can say that at least for those who are like me you’re wrong. It’s really just the desire to make sense of things in the world because the single biggest fear for people like us is the unknown. When you can tie everything together into a clear “plan” it’s very contenting because then it’s no longer an “unknown”
When you scratch beneath the surface of D's persona - you find that he's all about unfocused hate and negativity - the positive for him is a contrivance
on the issue of anti-semitism in britain, i think its a faulty logic to claim that "all british people are pro-israel" and "antisemitism is rampant in the uk", both are missguided pictures of what it may be going on. You don't know if all britbongers are pro-israel, nor all antisemitist attacks have been done by britbongers.
I strong disagree. Neither Kanye nor Trump or Andrew Tate are fully censored. They can (and have) migrated to different platforms. I strongly believe in a private corporations right to censor those who incite violence as it directly affects the corporation's ability to make money. In addition, while it's a great ideal that everyday Americans can debate and think freely and logically, this is clearly not the case for a large percentage of the population and can have deep and fatal consequences
I think the issue (which is starting to change as we can see) is that these specific private companies that are the “platforms” like FB, google, etc dominate the market share SO insanely that they are borderline monopolistic in nature. I’m not sure if I agree with it but at face value the argument for classifying these things as public utilities in the modern world seems pretty reasonable. What do you think?
Also I’m curious what you think about putting people on no-fly lists and banning them from virtually the entire banking system. That is a form of censorship in itself. As much as I personally despite Tate, Fuentes, Ye etc. i think that these sorts of measures are absolutely outrageous and illiberal to the core
I was really lucky to have some amazing (and very openly SocDem) teachers in high school. I appreciated them a lot even though at the time I was very libertarian.. happens man. But one thing that really stuck with me was how they would always hammer home the point in one way or another that, roughly; censorship doesn’t work. It’s a slippery slope. It can actually lend credence to an idea even if it is terrible and the best way to fight it is always with a better argument. So now as an adult and a liberal, it’s really disappointing to see the amount of people on our team that are blatantly pro-censorship. They ignore all historical hindsight showing us that the censorship of ideas never ends well , even if they’re bad ideas. They act like commies, “sure it’s never worked out but when WE do it it will definitely work out!”
@@adrianbrodin1319 “seems to be” is the key. How are we sure that censorship is the primary force keeping the yahtzees at bay more than the 9,000 other variables? Correlation doesn’t imply… you know where I’m going I hate to even say that bc it’s cringe but it’s true. PS my friend refrain from saying “that word” directly because it seems like UA-cam is censoring you for it
@@TheRealAdam23 I see, I didn't know that was a thing. Well, if anything, it's a pretty direct example. If you stand around with your arm raised long enough you won't have to guess what the primary force is for very long. I'd like to hear your thoughts on your own question though. How are you sure censorship is the primary force behind the rise of the people in question and not re-platforming? They never truly disappeared from youtube for example; mentioned and at times hosted by others. Is Andrew Tate really a good example of censorship not working, if he wasn't fully censored? Do you not think there is a single area where censorship does what it's meant to do? The easy example would be spam, it's never going to disappear but that doesn't mean we shouldn't keep fighting it. Next step would be Destiny himself, who'll ban people off of his twitch chat if they do not meaningfully contribute to the conversation.
@@adrianbrodin1319 also to your other question, yeah I definitely think censorship could do what it’s intended to do. That’s entirely realistic. Maybe I should clarify that my position is essentially a slippery slope argument + cost benefit . I just don’t think that opening the gates so to speak on censorship is likely to be worth the consequences compared to the threat level of whatever it is you were initially trying to censor. Once you give people power they never give it back by choice
@@TheRealAdam23 I'm not sure I got your entire reply, it starts with "also to your other question". Sure, your position makes sense to me. I haven't made my mind up personally, just here to see whether some of my thoughts hold water.
We should look to the stars at daybreak, and remind ourselves of the tasks assigned to them, the same tasks. For stars wear no concealment. - Marcus Aurelius
It's funny to see how Destiny is suddenly changing his tune about deplatforming after talking down on Sneako multiple times in the past when Sneako brought forward his beliefs about a deplatforming and censorship agenda being strong in America right now.
@@NothingElseMattersJM agree! Hopefully we will sustain that trend without taking any major interruptions for the next 87 years. As much as us humans have a way of improving our conditions across the board over time we also have a sneaky habit of absolutely smashing progress for a while too
I recently went on an Andrew Tate watching spree and I have to say, he genuinely has a lot of really good advice, but some of the things he says are quite wrong
No, he doesn't. If you have to wade through blatantly misogyny, open denial of mental health, and classism to get to some "good advice" than the advice isn't worth it. Maybe seek out that same advice from somebody who isn't a complete tool?
@@nope5657 Did we watch the same videos? I think he genuinely gives good financial advice, or more specifically encourages people to actually work on something that will set young people up for the future. As someone that survived through depression for about a year, I know that Tate doesn't know what he's talking about, but you don't have to hate his entire character, it's fine if you just take the good things he says. I'm not sure why you say he's classist, he's purely making fun of people that don't put in the work into becoming successful and literally slave away at their job for 50+ years. He put really well, you'd have to work your entire life and not spend a single penny and you'd be able to afford 1 of his 30 cars. It's really not right and it's pretty fucked, which is why he says that people should do anything they can. He grew up poor and did literally anything he could to get a job, including working for free for some time but he realized that simply put, there are people that have unlimited free time and can do literally anything they want, so he aspired to be the same and with enough hard work, that's exactly what happened.
@@therealzizmon1748 Which is why Tate isn't different from a lot of people he simply he what was best for him. A lot of people online have VERY shitty advice or are simply mean people and a lot of them aren't banned. People looked directly at Tate and went "he's evil" after watching some clips. When really he's just a weird dude with clearly a lot of trauma that did something with his life.
12:00 I've heard Destiny say this before and it's right I just wish the other positive affect was considered, when choosing leaders within a group you support how do you filter for arguments you support. All ingroup leaders are going to preach to the same intuitions how do you disassociate from the intuition and explore the substance of matter. If all you respond to is the intuition pandering then all one needs is the vocab to placate that intuition. Which is why antisocial people gravitate to political careers.
“Speaker’s Corner” is a symptom of a far greater problem. Britbongs don’t have freedom of speech in general unless they’re speaking in ultra specific physical areas around the country. Shocking that there are fights when you only allow people to say whatever they want in tiny and specific areas of a town 🙄 WHO COULD HAVE SEEN THAT COMING?
As a bonger, this isn't true. Article 10 of European Convention of Human Rights is Freedom of Speech. Its not as strong as the US law. But we still have freedom of speech...
1. Genocides don't start as genocides. Humanity has done quite a few now, so the signs are pretty well-known. The goal isn't to use the "sexiest" language for clout or something. The goal is to call attention to an alarming and accelerating anti-trans sentiment before it's too late to stop it. I get the cynicism, and I'm amazed that anyone isn't just as cynical, but we are terrified as a group, and it seems like that's warranted. 2. Literally most humans are waaaaay beneath you in terms of knowing wtf they're talking about. That's just the human condition. Almost no one thinks deeply about why they believe what they believe; they just act on those beliefs. You, and anyone else who thinks deeply about really any subject at all are in the minority. That isn't stupidity, or malice, that's just what has worked for humans throughout the eons, and it doesn't seem like there's much pressure for it to change, at least in terms of evolution. 3. If we never find the underlying fact of the matter that leads to transness, would you be in favor of simply disallowing transition and/or forced detransition? If not, then what are you proposing besides self ID as a means of determining a person's gender identity? 4. I wish you wouldn't spend so much time lamenting the stupidity of other human beings. Yes, they're dumb, but your anger is being misdirected. They don't have the ability to not be find (neither do you and I), so I think you should focus your anger at circumstance, and not the people who are simply victims of said circumstance. I would bet money, which I know you like, that you can think of specific experiences that you were lucky to have had that taught you an important lesson that most people are not as lucky to have had. Most people are just missing these little tools that you, in your good fortune, were lucky to have found along the way. I am so confused as to how you've managed to gain those tools without gaining compassion.
I probably would have never heard of Andrew Tate if he hadn't been banned from everything. Can't say I agree with all his out of pocket stuff but seems like a gent generally.
28:52 well you need a group if you’re a singular person against groups like that you’d get assaulted or worse right… either it’s a beating or you get a group and it’s fight and the message is lost and the conflict becomes the message.
if my kid wants to be a tree I will inject him with chlorophyll and plant him in the ground because that is MINE and MY DOCTORS decision not the racist patriarchy
I think the problem with speakers corner is also why I'm skeptical about immigration. I think you have to be careful importing people with radically different cultures than your own. I think democracy is also a system which is highly dependent on trust, and like it or not trust breaks down when you have too much immigration coming too quickly from radically different cultures.
It's so funny how destiny is going crazy that no one has good arguments against anti-Semitism and the other dude is just like "yeah BUT even if they are (which they are) overrepresented in media it doesn't necessarily mean its a global cabal". Good argument buddy, LMAO.
This is an actual question and not a rhetorical device. Can anybody give me examples of censorship actually working? By “working” I mean, effectively defeating the message that we want to eliminate.
Speaking to the last 5 years specifically, it seems like deplatforming (censorship) has consistently had the exact opposite effect of what was intended and it just amplifies these messages even more. The only one that kind of comes to mind is Stefan Molyneux but he was already dying out from just being boring, incorrect and saying raysist shxt
I'm pretty sure like all the research that has been done on deplatforming is clear that it DOES reduce a persons reach. The studies go on to say that it's not that simple though. Often they make the observation that deplatforming risks another less moderated platform growing to the point that it becomes just another platform to spread messages, but without the strict TOS. Another observation that's made is that while the ability to reach new people with messages is hindered by deplatforming, it might also make the people already bought in more radical. So you get less spread of the idea, but the supporters can get even crazier in their own echochamber, and that echochamber might grow huge. As far as I know that's what all the studies say. I don't think there's any debate on whether or not deplatforming reduces someones reach
@@Mrraerae well in the Andrew Tates case which is an outlier clearly, his reach wasn’t noticeably impacted due to the fact that the VAST majority of it was never from his own account it was the mountain of pyramid scheme kids incessantly posting his content. That’s neither her nor there though but worth mentioning since he was the topic of discussion. Other than that though yeah I don’t have anything to add but thank you for summarizing that for me so well! I do appreciate that my friend 🍻 good guy right there
Words are useful because they describe a category of like things. Some of the most well known examples of genocide, include the holocaust, the Cambodian Genocide and the Rwandan genocide. It is not useful to use the same specific word for these events and what is happening in the US to trans people because while both bad, trans issues in the US do not belong in the same descriptive category as the holocaust.
When was the teacher revealed to be a troll? It's true nobody talks about it as much but I don't remember any talk of them being a troll. Assumed the school just made their decision on the matter and that was it.
@@karlhawkins5164 we dont care, the media pushes these BS stories thst affect like an extreme minority of people to keep us distracted from the fact that organized crime won the war against organized crime in the 50s and 60s and now control our government. Jack Ruby was in the yiddish mafia. Wake up people.
I’m gonna place myself on a pedestal here but I can be genuine friends with absolutely anybody who respects me regardless of their political position unless it’s SUPER insane and extreme like an actual Nazi. I wish more people were like this. I don’t like the idea of a conservative hating me because I fall on the liberal side of things and I wouldn’t want a conservative to feel like I hate them just because they’re a conservative either, idk
@@TheRealAdam23 that's a cool thing to keep in mind, I respect that. As a conservative I also don't think people with extremely radical positions are extremely likable or tolerable people to be around (Anti-Islam preachers, Islam Hate preachers). I wish their was a fundamentally better run conservative movement that listened to it's constituents instead of GOP Senators only ever deficit spending, or commiting Medicare fraud like Rick Scott. I have no proof for this but, it is a feeling of mine that the internet brings out the worst advocates to be defenders of their preferred beliefs, because these political advocates may never actually believe for themselves the belief but will profit off audiences that do. A sad world. I appreciate the reply Austin.
@@czarpskov3337 Hey at the end of the day, two guys with different beliefs just chatting / getting along IS a change in the discourse right? I would also like to see a stronger and more reasonable republican party. I’m not much a fan of the democrats myself either. But at the end of the day I mean we’re the ones who keep putting these spooks in office 🤣
18:34 Conservatives still do that with the term "liberal". I see it on more right-leaning sites that I browse, anything even vaguely left-leaning is liberal. Also unironic leftists are liberals to them. Ironically enough, leftists do the same but in reverse. The term literally has zero meaning anymore.
whats cringe buddy, is you saying things are cringe when you only scratch the surface of those issues and make up a shallow opinion. I hope you win Factorio soon
It's a Jewish belief that when all the tribes return to the homeland that it will be the end times I believe. It's a Christian belief that Jewish people are God's chosen and we are supposed to support them because to do otherwise is to go against God.
And deplatforming/cencorship are very often used as -> underdogboost/ the counter wave is way more extreme and there is way less communication and bringing back to earth. Since when 2 partys are relly fighting dirty there is way less opportunity for consensusforming and win win situations by understanding and way more big polarizing swings and all or nothing. I think most stuff comes from a thorn tho. That thorn has to be identifyed and if its many start with the biggest and get a cacke diagram of suspected problems -> cut off resuply and spot are big rules of war. If something is invisible you cant do anything about it. If something is resupplyed its like a 7 headed-dragon one always grows back. Also when you dont have the correct target you make more problems and issues and you think you are improving the situation. That is the worst (Thats when you have the wrong ideas whats at issue and you try to fix it in a counter productive way. Then again lerning by doing/slowing getting there/more information can eventually get you there.)
So like.... do you have any good arguments on the whole jewish people in a lot of positions of power? You've done a good job deradicalizing me but now i need ammo for my more gone flatmate
Weird take to say sis parents since that implies you can't have gay kids and it's not like adopting kids was an option for guys until like the last 20 years
Who the f said its only grooming !? Humans can confuse their identity till 25, im myself a case, they told me im a lesbian trans man, which if u understand it, u know what a joke it is A normal teenage boy can consider a natural softness as a major sign of being trans, this thought and "WHAT IF" is exactly what trapped me for YEARS ! Genders education in school for childeren is extremely dangerous as a person that experienced it i call it a crime! If lgbtq dont distance themself from this crime the h8 against them will rise again Lets not forget its absolutely unneccessary too! Childeren learn to respect lgbtq from adults, teaching them the genders brings nothing but huge mental illnesses or irreversible seggs changing operations, puberty blockers and etc
I think it’s fascinating that people are so quick to hate on Trump and Kanye and even deplatform them but won’t pay any mind to the CLEAR fact that Destiny is a girls name.
36:30 Destiny: this is such a minority issue why are we wasting so much time on this. Your whole party is placating to the minority issue whether that be small subsets, or individuals instead of looking at society as a whole. what do you expect?
Destiny Reacts To LonerBox Manifesto And Allegations ►ua-cam.com/video/_4M6inG386A/v-deo.html
the only core value the left has now is victimhood and being pro government
the neo-liberals want freedom with out freedom without consequence and freedom without consequence is tyranny
every ex leftist talkingpoint is a nothing more than a stick to hit ppl with and is having the effect that ppl hate the lgbtqp
and i even forget about the violance and distruction
this is why destiny is not a leftist
he didnt change as much as the rest did
(centrist or even right wing)
the biggest trans online is blair white ill put her numbers up to annyone defendly keffals
August doing LonerBox dirty by just referring to him as "a lefty" lmao.
Well Destiny didn't seem to know who he was either 💀
Well its better than NPC or newswatcher
nah it just looks better
The classic ‘Everyone further to the left than paying off student debt is a ‘lefty’’ manoeuvre from our favourite man with a girl’s name.
@@chasegallagher2128 BonerBox
As destiny’s voice gets deeper he’s hating the left more and more.
Its the testosterone
@@chungusamongus69 There is a correlation...
Red pill ideology confirmed
Nick and pattern recognition is happening
Testosterone does that to you, man.
Deplatforming remains to be either the biggest weapon or backfire in online discourse lmaoo
It’s freedom of speech 101. A private person/company has the freedom of association to deal with whomever and whatever they want,m. Freedom of speech is pro platforming and pro deplatforming.
look whats happened to sneako. yes the content could potentially be influential, but banning them sends people into an even bigger downward spiral, making them more extreme. sneako getting banned confirms everything he was talking about in his eyes.
@@NothingElseMattersJM except freedom of association is not a thing anymore because of protected classes. So bs argument
@@Blaze6108 its's not even centrist, just basic reading comprehension of the word "congress" in a certain amendment and applying it:
Me: not congress
Destiny: not congress
Twitter: not congress
The senate: congress
The house: congress
Presidential exacutive orders, state assemblies, etc.: actually not congress, but pretty much in a legal sense by legal precedent/the "spirit" of the law.
The tools are all there and have been for a long time.
Social media companies still need to be regulated, the 1st amendment is just a really hyperbolic and dumb way of arguing it, compared to anti-trust and consumer/data protection laws.
@@aditya5162 Sneako has conspiracy brain. Literally everything that can ever happen just confirms what he's saying in his own eyes, because he'll bend over backwards to make it so and never consider an alternative. But way fewer people will actually hear him now. Even Sneako himself said in one of his earlier Destiny streams that if you aren't on UA-cam you just aren't going to get as much of an audience because almost everybody just wants to stay watching on the platform and not follow you to Rumble or Cozy or whatever
the part where lonerbox brings up how many pro trans people can't explain why they're pro trans is absolutely true and has irked me for a while
Probably because people can be pro trans but on a fundamental level still believe that wise old saying from the little kid in kindergarten cop.
I really wanna know what Destiny told Nathan he thinks about Andrew Tate 😂😂
He tried spanking him, but Nathan beat him up so hard that his hair turned white which explains him dyeing his hair blue.
Haha
@@Hoogalindo LO0
Probably something really adult and boring like: you have to be careful about things you hear on the internet and Andrew Tate is no exception. If you see anything specific about him that interests you you should ask me or your mother.
I think not everything is interesting.
@@SporkyMcFly nah he said on stream something about him saying tate says many good things but his ideas on women are skewed or whatever.
Tate being cancelled has helped his image more than not canceling him. For months he was saying he was going to get canceled because he was saying things powerful people didn't want to hear. When you cancel him and don't even bother being specific about what rules he violated to be banned, you play directly into his hand.
He was and he wasn't. He made outrageous statements to get attention then go back on his word saying he didn't mean it in that way. Most people will only see the negative statements he has made, which is arguable that it's not as bad but most people won't read into it much and just stakes it as is without insight of his intentions. Intent doesn't matter because it gives the platforms a terrible name which is bad for buisness
His cancellation was the single biggest leap in his engagement by order of magnitude
I've seen him everywhere since he was cancelled. I don't really understand what makes you guys so certain it's the semi-deplatforming and not the re-platforming that put wind in his sails. This includes Nick Fuentes.
If other youtubers can still keep talking about and host said people, that's not deplatforming helping them out. It's the re-platforming.
Is he not still reaching the youth through social media? That's not true cancellation, surely.
What even is so bad about Tate? He's just a successful man who encourages other men to be disciplined so they can be successful too. Is there something I'm missing?
@@alaskantundrawolf8831 Yea I don't get it either. I keep trying to find something bad about it him and can never find anything. Maybe it was the huzlers university thing?
lol I love how Destiny became so warm after he told him he is a musician
everyone but me gotta learn ur cringe
it was so cute
40:00 - So the weird thing about the anti-anti-Semitism to me is that they behave exactly like anti-semites in other areas. Anti-Semites say that Jewish people hold a disproportionate amount of power and therefore are systematically advantaged and that they are oppressed as a result; we can dismiss that offhand because we know that yeah while Jewish people may hold positions of power that they're also disadvantaged in the same system.
However then you go over to all the people hating on Kanye for putting forth this argument and you ask them their views on Patriarchy or Systemic racism and what do you get as a result? White people hold a disproportionate amount of power and therefore are systematically advantaged and minorities are oppressed as a result. They likewise ignore that most of the people on the bottom who are disadvantaged by the system are also White and it's just a select few who hold the power.
They'll say that men hold a disproportionate amount of power and therefore are systematically advantaged and women are oppressed as a result. Again, they ignore the fact that men are also the most disadvantaged by the system or at best you get the motte and bailey argument "patriarchy hurts men too." So now their usage of "Patriarchy" is utterly useless because the system doesn't really give a fuck if you're male or female it just cares if you're a ruler or a peon.
You are starting to see the 1s and 0s in the matrix
Sooo capitalism is bad? Welcome, you have arrived.
@@lolwtfbbq111 Where the fuck did you get capitalism out of that?
Little spoiler for you my guy. Every socioeconomic system does this. Capitalism, communism, socialism, feudalism, potlatch, social credit, etc.
There will always be the rulers and the peons.
Ahh so we're comparing the JQ with shallow understandings of intersectionality and drawing flimsy conclusions I see. Jewish people may be relatively financially advantaged, but they nonethelss suffer from anti-semitism and otherization, which you could undoubtedly argue make them a victimized minority in many ways.
Whereas with things like systemic racism, we are talking about a legacy of active and legalized discrimination that have had effects on the world up to today and still occure in less blatant ways than for instance, redlining and segregation. For the JQ to be comparable to this, you would have to argue jews had so much influence, they essentially engineered the social circumstances that lead to them being on top of everyone else, on the basis of their faith or ethnicity or what not. It's not merely about overrepresentation in positions of power, it's how society developed into what it is now and why those overrepresentations happen.
While patriarchy more describes an overall powerdynamic, where most people with economic, political and social power are men and as such the aggregate male perspective on gender roles will have the most influence. There is nothing about any of that which indicates men can't suffer due to those dynamics. Like for instance, if male gender roles include being a buff, breadwinning family man who can never cry because that's what girls do, men who dont fit that category will be fcked over for not living up to those expectations. Which is undoubtedly a big reason why this redpill nonsense is growing so fast, cause a lot of nerdy guys want to live up to expectations of manhood that they fail to. For the JQ to be comparable to this, you would have to argue jews have so much influence the entire world would get their understanding of self and ethnicity/religion with respect to the jewish community.
@@lolwtfbbq111 where in ANY of that means "capitalism bad?" They were pointing out the circle talk around power dynamics and how it's ironic.
I personally like Lonerbox a fair bit, watched him for about 2 years on and off before he was involved with the streaming community.
Am I the only one who watches a lot of Destiny without ever understanding any the video games he's playing?
He's like 5 years into factorio lmao, i think 90% dont understand especially newer people
Yeah I have no clue but I also play random PC games like arma so I dig it
The education system seems to constantly take the blame for people's parents doing a shit job educating and raising them.
America’s k-12 education system ? Decent with lots of room of improvement
America’s university education system ? Excellent
You're right. I'm fine with blaming both the education system and the parents.
@@NothingElseMattersJM This is something that triggers me so much. Europeans say the wildest shit, like “America is 24th in education” blah blah blah. I even argued with a Brit bonger who said “America is last in education” LMAO. It’s such a misleading statistic, because our secondary education is by FAR the best in the world, as you pointed out. “Uhhhh yeah, America is 24th in education, but we actually stopped counting right when you guys started doing well.” It’s only the most important part of the education process and the number one determinate that impacts future median income. Sorry for the tangent, I just got back from Europe and hearing people trash American education made me a patriot for the first time in my life.
@@TheJoyrunners all that means is that the majority of your populace is educated poorly. A minority of people attend University, this should be the case because it’s intended for specialised cases, most people in Europe don’t need university.
Yep! I think the American education system is pretty great.
Yes it scores below a lot of other nations but those results don’t take into account the relative homogeneity of culture.
Like for example, Japan. Mostly ethnic Japanese people with very largely shared beliefs about education, hard work etc. Also less socioeconomic variation and distance among people.
America. 1800 different cultures with wildly varying beliefs about education, hard work etc and a TON of socioeconomic variation and distance between people.
Most of the studies I’ve looked at suggest that socioeconomic factors have a huge impact on educational attainment and the quality of schools by region.
The chat after Destiny said "Dying would trigger the fuck out of me" has me weak! 47:22
Destiny is wrong about colleges. No, people should be challenged in highschool.
First, it would cover more people.
Second, highschool in most countries is part of higher education and it's the last time you receive a general education.
In college you are specializing. Why would a math student waste his time with debating in college? The math courses are already hard enough.
Because college generally is where you truly start thinking for yourself, the majority of high school students are still wanting just to be told what the "right" answer is or even more commonly follow the popular opinion. That makes debates in high school much harder to do properly.
@@cambyses1529lmao bro. Why do you think high school students are just these bots that have their opinion given to them
@@cambyses1529 yeah, so why do we promote this in highschool? Highschool isnt built around some genetic inability to be civil before 19. It just doesnt promote these kinds of challenges.
I was a math student and had PLENTY of debates about things like: does infinity actually exist, the true nature of randomness in Quantum Physics, Should all of psychology just be studying neural networks and algorithms, etc.
Usually people in the arts have strong disagreements about applying statistics to things like IQ and physical attractiveness. This can lead to spicy debates at 3 am after a night of drinking :P.
@@acadianalien i mean, isn’t psychology just the study of the outcomes of these neural networks and how it causes people to behave? Neurology seems like the field for that.
"Explaining To A Lefty" had my expectations so low but then it was Lonerbox lmao. Lonerbox is so much more reasonable of a person than anyone I was expecting to just get referred to as "lefty". Honestly such a huge fan I wish there were more lefties like him
Yeah lefty is usually an insult at this point considering how braindead most of them are.
@@nom6758 says the destiny fan
He has good content
Never thought this crossover would happen… but here we are… and it’s *GLORIOUS!!!*
Jesus christ can you be more reddit? You might as well be a bot
@@roarbertbearatheon8565 Yes
MLK and Albert Einstein walked so Destiny could run lol
Ive been a Lonernox sub since the very beginning. So happy to see him come over to the light.
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To add to Destiny's point here vis a vi Deplatforming, there is a difference between the development of ideals and simply being a part of a group. Simply being told what to say or what voices you should hear is not enough to develop a coherent philosophy. You actually need to critically analyze those ideas. I agree with Destiny College needs to be that place. However, that is not enough. Platforms like Twitter and UA-cam are perfect opportunities to have educational spaces with critical conversation. Humor, Drama, Charisma are all tools we can use to get the audience engaged, then after they are locked in , ask the hard questions in a responsible manner.
How can you have a critical conversation on Twitter? Unironic Twitter discourse is only good for stupid people with low attention spans who want an excuse to brainwash themselves.
@Adsper2000 It is a large platform. I'm not saying what it is, merely that it can be more.
W meth guy!!!!!!
unpopular opinion: people like people because they relate to what they say, not because they were "manipulated". It's the reason so many men like andrew tate because they resonate with him based on their experiences.
That applies for some of them for sure, but you think 13 yo kids who idolize Tate do it because they've had bad experiences with women?
@@66.6howl yay. I predicted someone would strawman my comment with kids. I'm obviously only talking about ADULTS. If you reread my comment, it clearly says "men". Men are adults.
@@painexotic3757 So you agree that the underage part of his fanbase is getting manipulated?
@@66.6howl no, no I do not. Manipulation implies malicious, targeted intent. Tates content is obviously aimed at young adult men, not kids. If kids are falling into his content, you should be blaming their parents for not monitoring what they're doing.
AT is good at pandering to his community. He knows how he needs to present himself & what they want to hear from him. He is exploiting their hurt & anger & is a great grifter. His so- called experience is not exactly the experience of most of these men. What resonates with them is fantasizing abt being a wealthy, " alpha male" who gets lots of women.
This was a really good conversation
LonerBox is a cool guy
"You can't even name the ones you think are genocidal because they'll just sue the shit out of everyone"
He says it like he's shocked people don't want to be labeled genocidal by strangers on the internet🤣🤣🤣
(Dec 14)
Word of the Day: Undulate
Undulate is a formal word that means "to move or to be shaped like waves."
From Merriam-Webster
Damn, Twitch wasn't playing around at even the mention of dual steaming 💀
The problem with censorship is this: it will ALWAYS be used to oppress the most marginalized group throughout history: the individual.
This sounds clever but it’s really just sophistry. Individuals are the only independently existing persons, you can’t censor a “group” apart from the individuals within that group. All you’re actually saying is “censorship is bad because people get censored.”
Thought you were going to say that it always backfires, which I think is mostly true.
"People in BDSM communities are really anal about..." well done, not even breaking stride.
I think canceling is the equivalent of placing all the garbage in a room in the closet. It only places the problem elsewhere not rid of it.
It's worse than that since you put all of the garbage in one isolated room that create new pathogens otherwise impossible.
Canceling is people saying they don’t care what you say. Nothing wrong with that
You can't get rid of the trash though.
I understand that the context in the US is different but I wonder what is Destiny’s opinion on Germany banning Nazi ideology, Eastern block banning Communism and EU now banning RT
I think a great point the guy made is about dogmatism when it comes to certain progressive issues is you say “ trans women are women “ but them cant define what a women is or when challenged you just fall apart it shows your just a mouth piece for your ideology
Well the term is socially constructed, most cultures have a slightly different definition of gender, but from what we know at its basis it’s an identification confined to culture and self expression. So yes trans women are women because nothing really defines a women and it makes it easier in life to be respectful for most. I do it because I care about the ppl I love and I care about humanity and the ability to be fluid.
Conservatives can't define women either lol. Their meme fag definition of "Adult human female" is circular.
How is that "falling apart" though? The silly thing about that stupid question is that even if you completely remove the trans section from it, we would still struggle with a definition because we've moved away from silly stereotypes about gender. It's all purposeful.
Is there any difference between a trans man and a real man?
It turns out there's a vas deferens!
@@kadp8096a woman is not socially constructed. A woman is a human with xx chromosomes, has a vagina/uterus. They are not a figment of our imagination. Just bizzare.
Homeless people and orphans everywhere! Hard pass! Trans issues! Real shit!
Suicide? Who gives a shit!? Someone whistles at a woman? Off with his head!
Lonerbox made it sound like the left doesn’t constantly talk about trans issues as much as the right does. Thats some serious cope.
How is Destiny’s position on the trans debate any different than Holocaust denial debate?
Trans people argue that criticizing them on almost any levels is analogous to actual violence.
Pretty much everyone argues the same about Holocaust denial. Any criticism in any way of Jewish people or the holocaust gets you labeled as Destiny put it here “public enemy no. 1”
This is not an endorsement of any position I’m just asking why he supports shutting down holocaust deniers on some level but not trans deniers so to speak.
The tactics are literally the exact same.
Waste of time.
Because all evidence proves the holocaust was real, trans stuff evidence is disputable.
"Any criticism in any way of Jewish people or the holocaust" isnt analogous to critcism of trans issues imo. good faith criticism of "jewish people" as you put it should be allowed. problems arise when you dont go deeper than that. people shouldnt have an issue with the actual jewish PEOPLE. you have issues with their politics or viewpoints on certain topics, which is allowed to be debated. you cant just lump it into this idea of "jewish people," but holocaust denial is a completely different thing entirely. imo the trans community is starting to realize that just outright labeling someone "public enemy no1" and blackballing them from society isnt a way to progress on the issues being debated. its why people champion this idea of free speech. they just want the ability to disagree without being deplatformed and cancelled from society.
@@ryansimon9855 good faith criticism of Jewish people lmao. That’s enough Internet for today
the difference is, numbnuts, one actually happened and did so definitionally.
the trans genocide, if its an acutal thing, doesn't really have any concrete evidence.
I think there are serious questions one can ask about jews in media representation, but its more questions about nepotism manipulating popculture rather than some evil cabal doing it for nepharious reasons.
You can't deplatform Tate or Fuentes. It only makes them bigger on alt-tech. The game has changed.
Sneako got 100k+ subscribers on Rumble in a day. People are switching over to see their content creators.
All of this is going to have the result that establishment tech (google) will actually have to compete with alt-tech.
Rumble won't be as big as UA-cam but if it gets enough pull through people like Sneako, it will force UA-cam into an actual competition as opposed to a monopoly.
I have to admit I was mainly just UA-cam but I have been visiting Rumble as of late cause I am curious for the stuff UA-cam won't vet. I see Rumble clips come into UA-cam and then I just want to go over and watch the full thing.
I think Destiny likes to have the idea that his thoughts are far left, but in reality, if we actually c̶o̶p̶u̶l̶a̶t̶e̶ cumulate every one of his opinions, he's actually not very far left. he is on the left, but he's left of center. Maybe further left of center than what you would normally think left of center, but he is so far away from far left. But I think in his head it sounds good for him to say that he has opinions that are far left. That's like being a capitalist and saying oh I'm far right because I have these capitalist opinions, but not really.
He’s a LIBERAL!
@galileogalilei6450 that statement doesn't really tell you what side of the spectrum you're on. So there's liberals on the right and then you have liberals on the left.
@@displacegamer1379 He’s on the left.
@galileogalilei6450 yeah of course he is on the left, I don't think anyone was disputing that part.
Who wants to think of themselves as an extremist?
Does anyone know why destiny needs all these trains instead of a standard belt bus?
He has nowhere near enough ovens to justify that many trains
are you trainsphobic?
Destiny x Loner Box arc let’s gooooo
I'm just happy someone got called a fanny on a Destiny vid.
Destiny refuses to stop dead naming Ye but wont dead name Keffals. Why? Is he a common racist trans ally?
Yes. Gigachad
People just say the “politically correct” stuff simply because they don’t want to deal with the backlash. I don’t agree with any of it but keep quiet cuz I’ll be punished for it. That’s why I’m glad that people like the Tates, sneako and young don exists
I feel like a lot of people who believe in deep conspiracies seem to always to associate everything happening in the world is targeting them and everything in the world is about them and then they make it a global issue, i think maybe because some people are emotionally immature and always must pick sides in an issue, idk
Epstien can fall into tht category. Alot of these conspiracies have truth in them
no, you are just arrogant and have no idea what you are talking about
I’m a paranoid person who naturally leans towards extreme conspiratorial thinking and while I can’t speak for all of us I can say that at least for those who are like me you’re wrong.
It’s really just the desire to make sense of things in the world because the single biggest fear for people like us is the unknown.
When you can tie everything together into a clear “plan” it’s very contenting because then it’s no longer an “unknown”
I think its fair to say there was some weird stuff in the podesta emails. Obviously the q anon shit is psychotic
When you scratch beneath the surface of D's persona - you find that he's all about unfocused hate and negativity - the positive for him is a contrivance
I felt that
"I would end up dying and that would trigger the fuck out of me." Destiny 2022
You don't want an autistic-adjecent person being triggered after death. That's how you get wraiths.
on the issue of anti-semitism in britain, i think its a faulty logic to claim that "all british people are pro-israel" and "antisemitism is rampant in the uk", both are missguided pictures of what it may be going on. You don't know if all britbongers are pro-israel, nor all antisemitist attacks have been done by britbongers.
Yeah most "antisemitism" is done by Muslim migrants. But of course a leftist won't acknowledge that.
I strong disagree. Neither Kanye nor Trump or Andrew Tate are fully censored. They can (and have) migrated to different platforms. I strongly believe in a private corporations right to censor those who incite violence as it directly affects the corporation's ability to make money.
In addition, while it's a great ideal that everyday Americans can debate and think freely and logically, this is clearly not the case for a large percentage of the population and can have deep and fatal consequences
The problem is that all of those people arguably have not incited violence.
your opinion is so damn useless
I think the issue (which is starting to change as we can see) is that these specific private companies that are the “platforms” like FB, google, etc dominate the market share SO insanely that they are borderline monopolistic in nature. I’m not sure if I agree with it but at face value the argument for classifying these things as public utilities in the modern world seems pretty reasonable.
What do you think?
Also I’m curious what you think about putting people on no-fly lists and banning them from virtually the entire banking system. That is a form of censorship in itself.
As much as I personally despite Tate, Fuentes, Ye etc. i think that these sorts of measures are absolutely outrageous and illiberal to the core
Destiny looking like papa smurf. All he needs is a red knit beanie.
Legend. Thanks for defending reality bro.
I was really lucky to have some amazing (and very openly SocDem) teachers in high school. I appreciated them a lot even though at the time I was very libertarian.. happens man. But one thing that really stuck with me was how they would always hammer home the point in one way or another that, roughly; censorship doesn’t work. It’s a slippery slope. It can actually lend credence to an idea even if it is terrible and the best way to fight it is always with a better argument.
So now as an adult and a liberal, it’s really disappointing to see the amount of people on our team that are blatantly pro-censorship. They ignore all historical hindsight showing us that the censorship of ideas never ends well , even if they’re bad ideas.
They act like commies, “sure it’s never worked out but when WE do it it will definitely work out!”
Do you think Germany should stop censoring nazi-propaganda? Seems to be working.
@@adrianbrodin1319 “seems to be” is the key. How are we sure that censorship is the primary force keeping the yahtzees at bay more than the 9,000 other variables? Correlation doesn’t imply… you know where I’m going I hate to even say that bc it’s cringe but it’s true.
PS my friend refrain from saying “that word” directly because it seems like UA-cam is censoring you for it
@@TheRealAdam23 I see, I didn't know that was a thing.
Well, if anything, it's a pretty direct example. If you stand around with your arm raised long enough you won't have to guess what the primary force is for very long.
I'd like to hear your thoughts on your own question though. How are you sure censorship is the primary force behind the rise of the people in question and not re-platforming? They never truly disappeared from youtube for example; mentioned and at times hosted by others. Is Andrew Tate really a good example of censorship not working, if he wasn't fully censored?
Do you not think there is a single area where censorship does what it's meant to do? The easy example would be spam, it's never going to disappear but that doesn't mean we shouldn't keep fighting it. Next step would be Destiny himself, who'll ban people off of his twitch chat if they do not meaningfully contribute to the conversation.
@@adrianbrodin1319 also to your other question, yeah I definitely think censorship could do what it’s intended to do. That’s entirely realistic.
Maybe I should clarify that my position is essentially a slippery slope argument + cost benefit . I just don’t think that opening the gates so to speak on censorship is likely to be worth the consequences compared to the threat level of whatever it is you were initially trying to censor.
Once you give people power they never give it back by choice
@@TheRealAdam23 I'm not sure I got your entire reply, it starts with "also to your other question".
Sure, your position makes sense to me. I haven't made my mind up personally, just here to see whether some of my thoughts hold water.
We should look to the stars at daybreak, and remind ourselves of the tasks assigned to them, the same tasks. For stars wear no concealment. - Marcus Aurelius
Coming from Phillip Defranco who was jizzing at the fact Adin Ross didn't "platform" Kanye.
It's funny to see how Destiny is suddenly changing his tune about deplatforming after talking down on Sneako multiple times in the past when Sneako brought forward his beliefs about a deplatforming and censorship agenda being strong in America right now.
There is less censorship now than ever before lol.
@@NothingElseMattersJM agree! Hopefully we will sustain that trend without taking any major interruptions for the next 87 years. As much as us humans have a way of improving our conditions across the board over time we also have a sneaky habit of absolutely smashing progress for a while too
I recently went on an Andrew Tate watching spree and I have to say, he genuinely has a lot of really good advice, but some of the things he says are quite wrong
No, he doesn't. If you have to wade through blatantly misogyny, open denial of mental health, and classism to get to some "good advice" than the advice isn't worth it. Maybe seek out that same advice from somebody who isn't a complete tool?
@@nope5657 Did we watch the same videos? I think he genuinely gives good financial advice, or more specifically encourages people to actually work on something that will set young people up for the future. As someone that survived through depression for about a year, I know that Tate doesn't know what he's talking about, but you don't have to hate his entire character, it's fine if you just take the good things he says. I'm not sure why you say he's classist, he's purely making fun of people that don't put in the work into becoming successful and literally slave away at their job for 50+ years. He put really well, you'd have to work your entire life and not spend a single penny and you'd be able to afford 1 of his 30 cars. It's really not right and it's pretty fucked, which is why he says that people should do anything they can. He grew up poor and did literally anything he could to get a job, including working for free for some time but he realized that simply put, there are people that have unlimited free time and can do literally anything they want, so he aspired to be the same and with enough hard work, that's exactly what happened.
@@therealzizmon1748 Which is why Tate isn't different from a lot of people he simply he what was best for him. A lot of people online have VERY shitty advice or are simply mean people and a lot of them aren't banned. People looked directly at Tate and went "he's evil" after watching some clips. When really he's just a weird dude with clearly a lot of trauma that did something with his life.
Wait where’s the LonerBox manifesto at?
I don't agree with Destiny here at all. Andrew Tate deserves to be not heard about at all!
Why?
12:00 I've heard Destiny say this before and it's right I just wish the other positive affect was considered, when choosing leaders within a group you support how do you filter for arguments you support. All ingroup leaders are going to preach to the same intuitions how do you disassociate from the intuition and explore the substance of matter.
If all you respond to is the intuition pandering then all one needs is the vocab to placate that intuition. Which is why antisocial people gravitate to political careers.
I agree with Destiny that people have no good arguments against Antisemitism. For different reasons but I agree.
Maybe so called antisemites have some good points
@@Shad0wack all they have is the "higher average IQ" meme and even that is a dumb argument.
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“Speaker’s Corner” is a symptom of a far greater problem. Britbongs don’t have freedom of speech in general unless they’re speaking in ultra specific physical areas around the country. Shocking that there are fights when you only allow people to say whatever they want in tiny and specific areas of a town 🙄
WHO COULD HAVE SEEN THAT COMING?
As a bonger, this isn't true.
Article 10 of European Convention of Human Rights is Freedom of Speech.
Its not as strong as the US law. But we still have freedom of speech...
@@mattieboy7777 Brother, look up Mark Meechan and the pug incident. The uk has long gone past any reason or rationality.
Haha, somebody clip the bit where we need “more Destinys, more Albert Einsteins, and more MLKs”
1. Genocides don't start as genocides. Humanity has done quite a few now, so the signs are pretty well-known. The goal isn't to use the "sexiest" language for clout or something. The goal is to call attention to an alarming and accelerating anti-trans sentiment before it's too late to stop it. I get the cynicism, and I'm amazed that anyone isn't just as cynical, but we are terrified as a group, and it seems like that's warranted.
2. Literally most humans are waaaaay beneath you in terms of knowing wtf they're talking about. That's just the human condition. Almost no one thinks deeply about why they believe what they believe; they just act on those beliefs. You, and anyone else who thinks deeply about really any subject at all are in the minority. That isn't stupidity, or malice, that's just what has worked for humans throughout the eons, and it doesn't seem like there's much pressure for it to change, at least in terms of evolution.
3. If we never find the underlying fact of the matter that leads to transness, would you be in favor of simply disallowing transition and/or forced detransition? If not, then what are you proposing besides self ID as a means of determining a person's gender identity?
4. I wish you wouldn't spend so much time lamenting the stupidity of other human beings. Yes, they're dumb, but your anger is being misdirected. They don't have the ability to not be find (neither do you and I), so I think you should focus your anger at circumstance, and not the people who are simply victims of said circumstance. I would bet money, which I know you like, that you can think of specific experiences that you were lucky to have had that taught you an important lesson that most people are not as lucky to have had. Most people are just missing these little tools that you, in your good fortune, were lucky to have found along the way. I am so confused as to how you've managed to gain those tools without gaining compassion.
I probably would have never heard of Andrew Tate if he hadn't been banned from everything. Can't say I agree with all his out of pocket stuff but seems like a gent generally.
28:52 well you need a group if you’re a singular person against groups like that you’d get assaulted or worse right… either it’s a beating or you get a group and it’s fight and the message is lost and the conflict becomes the message.
I'm cool with trans adults, but transitioning children is disgusting.
if my kid wants to be a tree I will inject him with chlorophyll and plant him in the ground because that is MINE and MY DOCTORS decision not the racist patriarchy
Mobilizing myths = make America great again
LTG influencing Destiny with using slick
I think the problem with speakers corner is also why I'm skeptical about immigration. I think you have to be careful importing people with radically different cultures than your own.
I think democracy is also a system which is highly dependent on trust, and like it or not trust breaks down when you have too much immigration coming too quickly from radically different cultures.
20 word "like" used in 1st minute. No thanks.
It's so funny how destiny is going crazy that no one has good arguments against anti-Semitism and the other dude is just like "yeah BUT even if they are (which they are) overrepresented in media it doesn't necessarily mean its a global cabal".
Good argument buddy, LMAO.
There's literal no argument against anti semitism. Even non Americans like me see who rules the world and America lol
Love me some BentoBox. Especially now that the young Rose is no longer around, god rest him
This is an actual question and not a rhetorical device. Can anybody give me examples of censorship actually working?
By “working” I mean, effectively defeating the message that we want to eliminate.
Speaking to the last 5 years specifically, it seems like deplatforming (censorship) has consistently had the exact opposite effect of what was intended and it just amplifies these messages even more.
The only one that kind of comes to mind is Stefan Molyneux but he was already dying out from just being boring, incorrect and saying raysist shxt
I'm pretty sure like all the research that has been done on deplatforming is clear that it DOES reduce a persons reach. The studies go on to say that it's not that simple though. Often they make the observation that deplatforming risks another less moderated platform growing to the point that it becomes just another platform to spread messages, but without the strict TOS. Another observation that's made is that while the ability to reach new people with messages is hindered by deplatforming, it might also make the people already bought in more radical. So you get less spread of the idea, but the supporters can get even crazier in their own echochamber, and that echochamber might grow huge.
As far as I know that's what all the studies say. I don't think there's any debate on whether or not deplatforming reduces someones reach
Deplatforming turns something into a taboo, like "oooo it's bad to watch this". As how it was "bad" to be and or talk about sex so openly.
@@Mrraerae well in the Andrew Tates case which is an outlier clearly, his reach wasn’t noticeably impacted due to the fact that the VAST majority of it was never from his own account it was the mountain of pyramid scheme kids incessantly posting his content. That’s neither her nor there though but worth mentioning since he was the topic of discussion.
Other than that though yeah I don’t have anything to add but thank you for summarizing that for me so well! I do appreciate that my friend 🍻 good guy right there
@@ExeErdna and yeah that’s also true. Makes ya want it more 😉
On Canada and the natives, didnt they actually genocide the natives? So did the US in a period of time so I dont understand destiny's comment on that.
Words are useful because they describe a category of like things. Some of the most well known examples of genocide, include the holocaust, the Cambodian Genocide and the Rwandan genocide. It is not useful to use the same specific word for these events and what is happening in the US to trans people because while both bad, trans issues in the US do not belong in the same descriptive category as the holocaust.
what game is he playing?
Always good to hear Destiny fighting the good fight against insanity.
What I think is so funny is, the Canadian big boobed teacher turned out to be a big troll and suddenly no one talks about it any more.
That's because the trans issue hasn't been a thing here for almost a decade. Americans cared more about this than we did
Blaire White still pretends it was real. (Because of course she does 🙄)
Wait since when? Can someone link that? Either way, didn't the school stand by her anyway?
When was the teacher revealed to be a troll? It's true nobody talks about it as much but I don't remember any talk of them being a troll. Assumed the school just made their decision on the matter and that was it.
@@karlhawkins5164 we dont care, the media pushes these BS stories thst affect like an extreme minority of people to keep us distracted from the fact that organized crime won the war against organized crime in the 50s and 60s and now control our government. Jack Ruby was in the yiddish mafia. Wake up people.
Andrew Tate is fine really over the top reactions to him.
key point - "I like arguing with people" - ie I'll never change my position but only beat you into submission if you don't change yours.
It's interesting how hostile progressives speak about conservatives.
Right, it's like they don't like them
I’m gonna place myself on a pedestal here but I can be genuine friends with absolutely anybody who respects me regardless of their political position unless it’s SUPER insane and extreme like an actual Nazi. I wish more people were like this.
I don’t like the idea of a conservative hating me because I fall on the liberal side of things and I wouldn’t want a conservative to feel like I hate them just because they’re a conservative either, idk
@@TheRealAdam23 that's a cool thing to keep in mind, I respect that. As a conservative I also don't think people with extremely radical positions are extremely likable or tolerable people to be around (Anti-Islam preachers, Islam Hate preachers). I wish their was a fundamentally better run conservative movement that listened to it's constituents instead of GOP Senators only ever deficit spending, or commiting Medicare fraud like Rick Scott.
I have no proof for this but, it is a feeling of mine that the internet brings out the worst advocates to be defenders of their preferred beliefs, because these political advocates may never actually believe for themselves the belief but will profit off audiences that do.
A sad world. I appreciate the reply Austin.
@@czarpskov3337 Hey at the end of the day, two guys with different beliefs just chatting / getting along IS a change in the discourse right?
I would also like to see a stronger and more reasonable republican party. I’m not much a fan of the democrats myself either.
But at the end of the day I mean we’re the ones who keep putting these spooks in office 🤣
18:34 Conservatives still do that with the term "liberal". I see it on more right-leaning sites that I browse, anything even vaguely left-leaning is liberal. Also unironic leftists are liberals to them. Ironically enough, leftists do the same but in reverse. The term literally has zero meaning anymore.
Lonerbox is confirmed rich kid
I’ve had farts more interesting than this conversation
how about you turn off the sink in the background
Hormones for kids is so incredibly fucked up.
what did he tell to his son about andrew tate
Peter Boghossian was right all along about trans/woke orthodoxy
Any example of information prohibition in example did not went well
whats cringe buddy, is you saying things are cringe when you only scratch the surface of those issues and make up a shallow opinion. I hope you win Factorio soon
It's a Jewish belief that when all the tribes return to the homeland that it will be the end times I believe. It's a Christian belief that Jewish people are God's chosen and we are supposed to support them because to do otherwise is to go against God.
36:00 Funny, hearing him complement how Biden is handling trans issues and or speaking about them with our latest little nuclear disaster
who is the blue haired emo chick hosting Destiny’s show
Damn mindaves still not grilling destiny for re-platforming huh? Cringe. Very cringe
And deplatforming/cencorship are very often used as -> underdogboost/ the counter wave is way more extreme and there is way less communication and bringing back to earth. Since when 2 partys are relly fighting dirty there is way less opportunity for consensusforming and win win situations by understanding and way more big polarizing swings and all or nothing.
I think most stuff comes from a thorn tho. That thorn has to be identifyed and if its many start with the biggest and get a cacke diagram of suspected problems -> cut off resuply and spot are big rules of war.
If something is invisible you cant do anything about it.
If something is resupplyed its like a 7 headed-dragon one always grows back.
Also when you dont have the correct target you make more problems and issues and you think you are improving the situation. That is the worst (Thats when you have the wrong ideas whats at issue and you try to fix it in a counter productive way. Then again lerning by doing/slowing getting there/more information can eventually get you there.)
Lonerbox looks like a less creepy mrgirl
So like.... do you have any good arguments on the whole jewish people in a lot of positions of power? You've done a good job deradicalizing me but now i need ammo for my more gone flatmate
There isint one buddy ')
@@Keloot berg and steins win again
Weird take to say sis parents since that implies you can't have gay kids and it's not like adopting kids was an option for guys until like the last 20 years
It's "cis" not sis...
intellectual pluralism has been eroding and it is terrifying
Who the f said its only grooming !?
Humans can confuse their identity till 25, im myself a case, they told me im a lesbian trans man, which if u understand it, u know what a joke it is
A normal teenage boy can consider a natural softness as a major sign of being trans, this thought and "WHAT IF" is exactly what trapped me for YEARS !
Genders education in school for childeren is extremely dangerous as a person that experienced it i call it a crime! If lgbtq dont distance themself from this crime the h8 against them will rise again
Lets not forget its absolutely unneccessary too! Childeren learn to respect lgbtq from adults, teaching them the genders brings nothing but huge mental illnesses or irreversible seggs changing operations, puberty blockers and etc
Who was in paris?
I think it’s fascinating that people are so quick to hate on Trump and Kanye and even deplatform them but won’t pay any mind to the CLEAR fact that Destiny is a girls name.
Stay Mad.
36:30
Destiny: this is such a minority issue why are we wasting so much time on this.
Your whole party is placating to the minority issue whether that be small subsets, or individuals instead of looking at society as a whole.
what do you expect?
fuentes is like obsessed with kanye, i think hes extremely excited to just be near kanye.