JVC CRT Non D-Series RGB Mux Mod - Thomson RCA Arcade Tube - AV-36850
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- Опубліковано 17 лип 2022
- RGB Mux modding my 36" JVC pre D-series the AV-36850 crt cathode ray tube tv. This model has the Thomson / RCA tube used in varies arcade cabs in the 90s and early 2000s.
Music/sound affects by Zapsplat - Ігри
Update.... I dialed in R G B levels and g2 and it looks FANTASTIC!
DETAILS....
www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/comments/y07xrx/finally_had_time_to_dial_in_r_g_b_levels_on_36/?
I got a Panasonic with an M tube. It's freakin gorgeous.
I saw your video about the M tube the day I found mine. I mean, I'm not even 100% sure that's what I have but it got me excited.
Ill be looking for that vid, whats the title?
As you can see I said f### it and shot the footage with my g85 but looking at grabbing an iphone next paycheck to try your tactics out
I've seen your video and I've been on the hunt for one myself!
@@LameGaming it's my most recent crt review. I forget title. But it's the only panasonic tube i got.
Just found this set, only used for five months, free at a garage sale in Jacksonville, FL. Posted address in the CRT Collective, because I've already got a 27" Toshiba with component I'm happy with.
Cool, yeah I posted this vid link there earlier hoping someone would grab that big girl. Makes a fantastic rgb modded set!
good to have you back at it again.
Thank you sir! Im out of town alot for work now but will try to making vids when I can.
@@LameGaming what are you currently using to record your CRT footage?
@@saltymanos A lumix g85 and its a pain in the ass. Theres no lowpass filter in this camera so moire' is a problem, Im able to reduce it some by setting sharpness to -5 in the "natural" image mode preset and then add mid detail back in edit but the rolling bar shows up unless I lower shutter speed to 20 which causes motion smearing.
Riggel gets really good results with an iphone and ProMovie recorder app so ill be grabbing an iphone soon i guess lol. Some shots were recorded on my phone as well (lg v60)
@@LameGaming you can definitely get it done with the g85. There are some things to consider when capturing CRT if your in NTSC you can get much cleaner results when in manual mode and starting off at 60fps in 1080p to match the CRTs 60/50hz depending on what region your CRT is playing at.
To get past the banding try lowing the CRT brightness if you can’t relief that try lowering the cameras ISO and leave your F/stop at 2.8-4f. Custom white balance to 5000 [K]kelvin temperature. Sorry to throw all that camera tech jargon but I know that camera can deliver.
@@saltymanos I appreciate the tips but sadly ive already tried all those suggestions. Even bought a $500 prime 15mm f1.7 leica lense to see how it would do. I setup my tripod and spent half of a day in full OCD mode capturing hundreds of clips at different settings while narrating to myself the settings used.
Your right, 1080p60 at 60 shutter with open aperture , iso 200 to 400 , and sharpness on the sensor turned down gave good results that were smooth and flicker free but every 3-4 seconds that rolling bar would slide down and drove me nuts. I tried all shutter speeds and incriments of 30. Anything above 60 would increase the rolling bars duration, as you get under 30 shutter the bar starts to disapear. At 13 shutter its completely gone but at that low of a shutter its smeary as hell, 20 was a good compromise. 60 should be what works the best but this camera just doesnt sync well with crt frequency for whatever reason. Even tried a tinted glass piece in front of the crt to mask moire 🤣
I updated the g85 firmware and shot some more as well but the update had no affect. I wish you could make fine adjustments to shutter on this camera 😖
Oh.... Was in full manual mode with manual focus as well and tried taking clips at dozens of different focus ranges as well. Full peak focus,slightly underfocus, a little more, a little more, etc etc etc lol
Awesome video man! My son broke my favorite Sony trinitron yesterday while I was working on some convergence! he stuck a screwdriver on the circuit board while It was powered on I had no idea he was in the area or even near me ! Thank God it didn't get shocked... though we'll have to see if I can get it repaired.
I understand how it can be with little ones running around, they are curious about everything. He just wanted to work on the tv too lol. Glad he didnt get zapped! I had my 2yr old niece running around while I did this mod and had to keep telling her to stay away.
Hope its something you can sort out.
Dude… I thought you had many more subs than that already. Mind-blowing! If I could give you all my subs I would, since I don’t even pretend to be a content creator… just got lucky with a viral video a while back.
Makes me wonder if the algorithm hates me 🤣
@@LameGaming They will come! I can’t tell you how many times I’ve searched for specific things and stumbled on your videos recently. Toshiba RGB, Super CD-ROM capacitor, MiSTer Component, etc. Keep expanding your reference content and more people will find you and subscribe once they see your quality, effort, and unique content.
@@emmettturner9452 The shitty part is Im working out of town now and have very little free time =(
@@emmettturner9452 Ow wow.... Your the guy who bought nes games with drugs in them!
Funny you mentioned a viral video.... I just scrolled through your vids to see what went viral and do remember seeing that video a couple years back lol.
@@LameGaming Yeah, that was a crazy week. :) Was worried some crackhead would show up looking for it so I had to share a follow-up video showing that I turned it over to the police. That seemed to get Kotaku and New York Post’s attention since they were able to verify with a police report and that’s when it really took off.
Hey man i stumbled across your channel. Good stuff man. Deffinitely subbed. Youre super knowlegable. Rn i. Tryna find out about modding my jvc tm a9u or if its possble at least. Glad i found your channel
Thanks! Ill take a peak at it when I get some free time. Right now im heading out of town to pick up some more pvm's. The ol lady wont be happy 😖
Lol I know this is an old video but I had to comment on the retro corner! Lol me too my wife says the same😂😂😂
Yeah, luckily I moved and have my own game room now so she cant say a thing anymore lol
Very nice set!
In Europe, we had an advantage of getting RGB right from the factory, but sadly, these giant tubes never made it here (and if so, then they were already 100Hz sets with framedoubling).
I think I remember reading thomson/rca had a European based plant but like you said they werent the same tubes and I think were labled with a sister brand name.
Or I could be remembering things completely wrong lol.
Its crazy how scart rgb never really existed over here.
So I now wonder if you guys had a popular arcade tube that also was sold in consumer sets and what it would of been?
Great video. I managed to do the same mod on an AV36020. Did you run any resistors for the sync? Think my jamma output is too high and making my TV cut off.
I have a Jvc 32d303 with the M tube I think. I'm not exactly sure what the mythical M tube even is at this point. It has a big M on it and says M80JUA061X06. I dunno lol. Love your content.
Did the 32D303 model number have a Y after it on the sticker? That would be fun to test.... Mess with
The model number is AV-32D303 then theres a W, then off to the side there's an ME. Serial No. 13797796 M. My 27D502 with the Thompson tube has all the same W and ME stuff but seriel No. ends with AR. Why is this so dumb?
@@brentimus8051 would be cool to take high res shots of it and a non M tube and zoom in and actually count the lines lol
@@LameGaming I can do some comparions if I didn't break it trying to recap it. Right now the 32 M is in pieces till the last caps get here supposedly tomorrow. Then hopefully...it turns back on. I am not a professional. It's a 27 vs 32 though so they will look different. The 32 M was super sharp before I broke it down. The 27 thompson has incredibly vivid colors.
@@brentimus8051 That would be cool, you should make a video!
You ever play street fighter on fightcade? I'm on there all the time. I got it hooked up to my 36 inch xbr200. I was playing a dude from Brazil today.
No , A buddy who lives on other side of the country mentioned fightcade to me... something I need to look into. What all can be played?
@@LameGaming Fightcade runs off the fbneo emulator so basically most arcade games before 2003. You can also play console games. I've done a few no continue streets of rage 2 playthroughs on there.
Most people use it for fighting games. Sf2. Sf3. Fatal fury. Mvc. Those games typically got 20 or so people on there lookin for matches at any given time.
I've been trying to get someone to do a 2 player 1cc of any arcade game on there so i can record it and do a video.
@@riggel8804 Does 1cc mean one coin completion?
@@LameGaming ye. Typically an arcade term. Ive got a few recorded on my channel. I want to do one 2 player
@@riggel8804 yeah, i just heard a retronauts podcast talking about 1cc-ing metal slug 1 and 2..... Im the wrong guy for that 🤣 I was never really good at any games except mk2 against humans or mike tysons punch out 🤣🤣
Liked and subscribed! Yo, I have a 27" JVC (and a 32" D series that I forgot why I didn't like enough to put away in the shed). The 27" is just looovely, however focus on teh corners is hella soft. I'd love to have a sweet JVC experience like you got here. Would you RGB mod a tv if it has component already? How would you go about fixing edge focus if you wanted to? Much appreciated, bro!
Nah, If its got component already then its 98-100% as good as rgb and wouldnt even bother. I looked for a D-series forever and never found one around here so thats why I grabbed the 36" JVC that didnt have component and rgb modded it.
I know what you mean by edge focus. You can either have the center super sharp and edges a little soft , edges super sharp and center a little soft, or you can dial it in to look decent across the entire screen but its a trade off. Look on the back of your set by the inputs, should be a slot that lets you access the pots on the flyback. Theres g2 voltage pot and focus, play with it untill you get a happy median..... just dont turn the screen g2 pot by accident lol
@@LameGaming Wonderful, thanks for the detailed explanation! Does turning down (or up) the g2 help with focus. I think I read that somehwere. If it's too dangerous to mess with, I won't lol. Appreciate it again, and look forward to more content!
@@mahdiyussuf9804 Just think of screen g2 as a master brightness of the tube. If you have a super dim tube you can increase g2 to give the tube some extra brightness but usually at the cost of washing out the blacks. Increasing g2 too much can overvolt the set and put it in protection mode.
@@LameGaming Got it, thanks man!!
Great video man!, I have a JVC D-Series AV-36D501, it looks almost identical to yours in the inside, it even has the same tube but mine has component, do you think your exact rgb mod apply to mine too?
You would have to pull up your service manual and/or schematic for jungle/micon..... See if they are the same, the factory circuit pathway from micon to jungle on the board would have to be the same as well. Same caps and resistor values on circuit.... If its an even slightly different board then it would probably change things and I assume it would be since it has component.
Honestly .... If I would of found a D series with component then I wouldnt of bothered with rgb since component is arguably probably 95%+ on quality of rgb.... I doubt youd notice a difference that would justify the effort honestly.
Amazing video! I recently found a 36" JVC model AV-36120 and it has a beautiful picture! I was hoping there was a way to mod the TV as it only goes up to S-Video. I hope that I can muster up the knowledge to attempt to mod it, do you think it is similar to yours internally? Thank you!
You would have to see if its using the same micon, I think puzzleheaded did one of those models recently on r/crtgaming
@@LameGaming My TV appears to have Closed Caption, I am hoping I can use this to my advantage. Will update if I am able to pull it off!
@@mastersword427 Id pick puzzleheaded's brain about it... He did a 27" av120
www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/comments/unx7rm/this_weeks_project_clean_and_rgb_mux_mod_a_jvc/?
I got a AV-27950 with the same jungle chip. Trying to RGB mod it for an arcade cabinet. Wondering if I need to do this mux mod? Or if there’s a simpler way to get rgb in since it’s going in an arcade anyway. Very new to this, any info is appreciated.
Id definitely mux mod it. The old hack and switch rgb method might sound easier but youd have to run a ton of wires and lose ability to see osd when rgb is active.
With this set rgb is injected late in the jungles circuitry so none of the menu settings have any effect. I had to use g2 adjustments, and set rgb cutoffs in the service menu to get rgb signal really dialed in..... Muxing allows you to see the osd/service menu while viewing your rgb signal..... Id hate to try to dial things in without that ability, you would have to switch rgb off just to see your menu with the old switch injection method.
Definitely would go with mux method. Would make an awesome arcade cab tube. I thought about using mine with a mistercade in a cab maybe in the future.
@@LameGaming yeah if those adjustments are needed then I have to do the mux. I’ll follow what you did since I have the same jungle chip. I appreciate the reply
@@bartman2468 They were definitely needed on mine but you may have better luck.
My green level was good but red and blue were low, I initially boosted red and blue cutoff but kept triggering overvoltage protection on white screens, I ended up setting cutoffs back to factory and boosting g2 a bit and fine tuning with cutoffs.
Theres more details here if yt lets me link it
shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=69727&p=1507119#p1507119
Great video. I just wish I had the same model. Mines an AV36020, same jungle but different board layout. Is there any way to get a diagram for mine? I posted on shmups and figured I'd try this, too.
This TV didn’t have Component??
Nope, just s video and composite
Hello, i have 2 JVC For RGB mod please help me😢
This same model?