Immanuel Lasker used to play casual chess with a friend. Lasker gave knight odds and always won. When asked how, he said, "He never moves his QR or QN. So I am not giving him N odds. He is giving me R odds."
"Or you could retreat like a Frenchman... because it's in New Orleans!" Kid: "YEAH! BECAUSE NEW ORLEANS WAS OWNED BY FRANCE!! THEN IT PASSED TO SPAIN BEFORE IT PASSED TO THE US!!"
I used to question why a piece can have influence over squares, that it can't LEGALLY move to because it's pinned to a king (like that rook pin). I posted that question on a chess forum and some really smart dude answered showing how absolutely convoluted the game would become if that was allowed (pins everywhere). So, I understand the logic of the guy asking why the king couldn't move to a square that a pinned rook was covering... but alas - not allowed and now it makes sense why.
Another way to think about it is to remember that pins aren't defined in the rules but rather a mental shortcut derived from the rules. In the position at 9:34, if it were white's turn, the reason the rook can't be moved off the first rank is not ultimately because we call it pinned, but because black would be able to capture our king, and it's against the rules to let the opponent do that / that would end the game if playing with "clock move" rules. So we know black cannot move their king onto the e-file because the white rook would capture the black king before the black queen could capture the white king.
@@dsrguru Exactly. Imagine an early version of chess where the kings can be captured and it all makes sense. Much like _en passant_ makes perfect sense if you remember the pawn double move is a convention to speed up the opening.
@@dsrguruThat's the wrong way to think about it. The correct way to think about it is to understand the King fundamentally can't be captured, and that it's all about the inability to move into check. It's not a pin. It's illegal for the King to move into check, the same way it's illegal for a Queen to move as a Knight.
I appreciate all free chess content but the kids in the background really are a distraction for anyone old enough. I tip my hat to you sir! Far more patience than myself
- I swear to god I can give rook odds to Magnus. - No fucking way! - Yes, I can give rook odds to Magnus, and I don't even need to cheat. - Come on! - Perfectly true. However, I did not say who would win.
What I don't understand: In the era of Morphy, the era of being cavalier, of respect, of well-mannered people - why would anyone with a bit of self-esteem left in his body play Morphy with a piece down? Either they win, to which everybody says 'you were up a rook, ofc you win!', or they loose, to which everyone would say that this was a very thorough beating. So why accept at all? Makes no sense. I know that if someone comes to me and offers me rook odds, chances are very high that I am not ready to face that player. And even if I were, winning a rook up means exactly nothing in the grand scheme of things; so I can't even win anything by accepting the odd offer. So why waste time on it? To let the other guy stroke his ego? Nope... At the end of the day, odds are plain stupid. It's like saying 'I'm only gonna bowl with my left hand' to your children, then proceeding to beat them. Well done you, but what you actually did was beat a bunch of children and that's nothing to be proud of, even if you only used your left hand. That's what odd games feel like - adults beating up children, but with one minor inconvenience self-imposed to not make it look as ridiculous. After the game, Morphy isn't happy with winning as he wants to be challenged, and the enemy is very unhappy with loosing as he lost a rook up - poison for his self-esteem. So yeah, games with odds never made much sense to me, they aren't that interesting ( I've yet to see a game with odds given that wasn't won by the superior player - which is always the one giving the odds ) and benefit none of the two players. So, all in all - a bad deal.
All thanks to the ApPauling requests of the public, we were forced to retire Morphy's law and bring you yet another banger from the past featuring Gen Pinegold! Take care everyone. I'll see myself out, I know the way, some say I was made to leave, etc. Mainly, etc.
@DLB-po6nn I can't imagine chess camp with Ben is any more than parents would spend on music lessons or sports or most other youth activities. That said, chess may not be the best outlet for a boy who can't contain verbal outbursts.
@DLB-po6nn A quick google search shows chess camps for youths range from 250-450$ per week which is on the very low end of estimated cost of any youth sport and only around double what parents would be paying for daycare in Georgia. Not sure what "most parents" can and can't afford, but I don't believe the cost of chess camp is any worse than fishing camp, horse riding camp, or a summer athletics program.
I realize it's just a little kid, but Ben Finegold has much patience.
Had, had so much patience.
it's a very annoying little kid lmao
If I was W.C.Fields, I would rather be in Philadelphia
I was coming to the comments to type this word for word.
i have a question… what?
Kid: NAKAMURA WON MAGNUS CARLSEN
Ben: Did he take him home?
Priceless
I won't stop until Ben has talked about every Morphy game on record. Someone should put up a roadmap.
I'm ROFLing over here at Ben's expressions when the kid is talking. 😆😆😆
"34:50 "Granmasters weren't good at the time ... yea he was meek, you know later he inherited the earth" ... underated comment.
OMG, that kid! Ben's interactions with him were just priceless.I didn't even care about the Morphy games after a while.....good grief!
20:15. It was at about this point I found myself more interested in Ben managing the mouthy kid than anything going on in the chess games.
Immanuel Lasker used to play casual chess with a friend. Lasker gave knight odds and always won. When asked how, he said, "He never moves his QR or QN. So I am not giving him N odds. He is giving me R odds."
Was his friend Albert Einstein? I know they were friends, and I saw a game of Einstein's once and he was right to stick with physics.
What is qr and qn?
@@NS-mm6jq queen rook and queen knight
@@12jswilson I dk Maybe. Einstein did not like competitive games.
I thought the kid was unbearable at first. But in time, I came to admire his “Yeah!”.
“I have a question, what?” Ben Finegold, March 11th, 2018.
That's making me laugh every time
I think there was a moment where Ben was wondering whether its him teaching the class, or that kid.
The kid is a testament to BenFingold's great teaching, that little guy knows his stuff. So, enjoy Ben's classes and I have become a Morphy fan.
I'm a simple man: I see Grandmaster Ben Finegold talking about Paul Morphy, I watch.
that kid is surprisingly knowledgeable. 2 knights italian?!
“Who’s turn is it?” “Exactly” 😂
Also, great lecture and so forth. Mostly and so forth
Ben discussing this game at St Louis with GM Ken West is the highlight of my youtube chess learning career
Hi, im Troy maclure. You may remember me from lectures in Grandmaster Benjamin Finegolds lessons on Paul Morphy
"Or you could retreat like a Frenchman... because it's in New Orleans!"
Kid: "YEAH! BECAUSE NEW ORLEANS WAS OWNED BY FRANCE!! THEN IT PASSED TO SPAIN BEFORE IT PASSED TO THE US!!"
At one time people spoke French they're trying to bring that back now.
For those of you who don’t get it, ben said AB Meek would inherit the earth in reference to a Bible quote, which says the meek shall inherit the Earth
"Paul, I am your father!"
Darth Alonzo Morphy, ca. 1840
I used to question why a piece can have influence over squares, that it can't LEGALLY move to because it's pinned to a king (like that rook pin). I posted that question on a chess forum and some really smart dude answered showing how absolutely convoluted the game would become if that was allowed (pins everywhere). So, I understand the logic of the guy asking why the king couldn't move to a square that a pinned rook was covering... but alas - not allowed and now it makes sense why.
Another way to think about it is to remember that pins aren't defined in the rules but rather a mental shortcut derived from the rules. In the position at 9:34, if it were white's turn, the reason the rook can't be moved off the first rank is not ultimately because we call it pinned, but because black would be able to capture our king, and it's against the rules to let the opponent do that / that would end the game if playing with "clock move" rules. So we know black cannot move their king onto the e-file because the white rook would capture the black king before the black queen could capture the white king.
@@dsrguru Exactly. Imagine an early version of chess where the kings can be captured and it all makes sense. Much like _en passant_ makes perfect sense if you remember the pawn double move is a convention to speed up the opening.
@@dsrguruThat's the wrong way to think about it. The correct way to think about it is to understand the King fundamentally can't be captured, and that it's all about the inability to move into check. It's not a pin. It's illegal for the King to move into check, the same way it's illegal for a Queen to move as a Knight.
That kid should be Ben’s normal sidekick for all future lectures. Kid is 🔥🤣🥊 “what?”
7:10 “I have a question, WAT?”
This video is great birth control
I appreciate all free chess content but the kids in the background really are a distraction for anyone old enough.
I tip my hat to you sir! Far more patience than myself
Thanks - very informative video!
They failed to obey the only 2 rules of chess club
They probably never raised their hands.
Morphy is one of the greats. Happy 4th of July Ben & Karen, hope the poker Gods are smiling down in the WSOP currently!
"Hickaroo Nakamura" 🤣💀
Bxe7# is my favorite move of all time. I can't stop laughing! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Nobody has ever told this kid he isn’t the center of the universe.
That history major thing was hilarious
I asked ChatGPT 4 to remove that kids vioce from the video and it worked wonders, ngl.
hahaha this video is hilarious with the kid interrumpting 🙂
Kramnik just posted a video explaining how Morphy was using an engine
Nobody saw that kid after the lecture 😂
Hooray, more Morphy.
Thank you for your work all these years Ben, Happy Fourth of July!
Im a simple guy, I see morphy i click like
Ben lecturing on Morphy games is probably my favourite content on UA-cam. But I can’t sit here and listen to this kid.
I'm not certain, but it seems to me that the kid didn't understand the first two rules, maybe.
31:40 if Kb6 isn't the black queen hanging with check?
I don't think Black is OK there
New Orleans was indeed founded by the French, ruled by the Spanish and then bought by the U.S.
Ooh explains the cajuns
Children - you can't beat them. It's the law.
Unless you are Master Skywalker in his Revenge of the Sith phase.
19:00
So glad Ben's back to his old format. I really didn't like his streaming videos I think these are so much more entertaining and instructive
these are just reuploads this videos from 2018
I think him and Karen are still in Vegas as the WSOP. These are just re-uploaded content from several years ago.
while this is an old video, new Great Players lectures are still being recorded, you just gotta sponsor one😅
Hickory knock a more a sounds like he can play
- I swear to god I can give rook odds to Magnus.
- No fucking way!
- Yes, I can give rook odds to Magnus, and I don't even need to cheat.
- Come on!
- Perfectly true.
However, I did not say who would win.
Im a big fan of Morphy
these kids are hilarious!!!😂😂
I was just about to leave a similar comment but I see you already beat me to it
I agree, love the kids!!! They make this lecture an even better experience. So wholesome!
@@u.v.s.5583I wouldn't describe it as wholesome
kids classes are the best LMAO
What I don't understand: In the era of Morphy, the era of being cavalier, of respect, of well-mannered people - why would anyone with a bit of self-esteem left in his body play Morphy with a piece down?
Either they win, to which everybody says 'you were up a rook, ofc you win!', or they loose, to which everyone would say that this was a very thorough beating. So why accept at all? Makes no sense. I know that if someone comes to me and offers me rook odds, chances are very high that I am not ready to face that player. And even if I were, winning a rook up means exactly nothing in the grand scheme of things; so I can't even win anything by accepting the odd offer. So why waste time on it? To let the other guy stroke his ego? Nope...
At the end of the day, odds are plain stupid. It's like saying 'I'm only gonna bowl with my left hand' to your children, then proceeding to beat them. Well done you, but what you actually did was beat a bunch of children and that's nothing to be proud of, even if you only used your left hand.
That's what odd games feel like - adults beating up children, but with one minor inconvenience self-imposed to not make it look as ridiculous. After the game, Morphy isn't happy with winning as he wants to be challenged, and the enemy is very unhappy with loosing as he lost a rook up - poison for his self-esteem.
So yeah, games with odds never made much sense to me, they aren't that interesting ( I've yet to see a game with odds given that wasn't won by the superior player - which is always the one giving the odds ) and benefit none of the two players. So, all in all - a bad deal.
Probably because there was lots of gambling, I’d guess. They probably thought it would be easy money.
I play handicapped this way with my kids.
Always play bishop F8, Never Play F6
That’s only after casting 😅
its morphy time!
If that kid talked 1/10 of what he did it would be entertaining...maybe 1/20
Must be a car trunk out in the parking lot to throw the kid into?
The jokes going over the kids' heads is funny. Confusing the audience indeed
What?
All thanks to the ApPauling requests of the public, we were forced to retire Morphy's law and bring you yet another banger from the past featuring Gen Pinegold! Take care everyone. I'll see myself out, I know the way, some say I was made to leave, etc. Mainly, etc.
I have many classes as this, most of the time its 5 year, they got many stories. I have the class wait for them to say there story.
I have a question. What?
@@chrisSo91 I wrote it too fast. Kids age 5, they like to talk about things, sometimes not even about chess. We wait for them to finish.
@@chrisSo91 tell me you've never spoken to someone who speaks english as a second language without telling me you've never etc
@12:27 Ben's students are taking after him.
he used to tell the kids to stop talking. whos hick-a-roo?
Lmao at your two rules hahaha
ban that kid and his children's childrens.
Morrrrrphyyyyyyyyyy
Hickaroo
If the kid talks like that when playing chess, his opponents will get the beatdown for sure.
Why is that kid shouting all the time?
Probably because he doesn't have parents who teach him any manners.
@DLB-po6nn
I can't imagine chess camp with Ben is any more than parents would spend on music lessons or sports or most other youth activities. That said, chess may not be the best outlet for a boy who can't contain verbal outbursts.
@DLB-po6nn
A quick google search shows chess camps for youths range from 250-450$ per week which is on the very low end of estimated cost of any youth sport and only around double what parents would be paying for daycare in Georgia.
Not sure what "most parents" can and can't afford, but I don't believe the cost of chess camp is any worse than fishing camp, horse riding camp, or a summer athletics program.
No talking
I’m Ben Finegold and you’re not
that kid must be a really annoying teenager now
Kids are horrible 😅😅😅
Ben, refund that kid. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The child was not very accurate. And frankly childish.
Your a comedy genius......perhaps better than your elo?
what