Understanding Spy Movement [Commentary]
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- Clip at 8:30 thanks to my friend 3dayrespawn, you can check out his full video on that here: • Feign Jumping [Tutorial]
Music:
J-Walk - French Letter
Bedsides - Some Place Quiet
Tru Comers - New World
Centz - London Underground
![Tricks, etc. [Voice Commentary]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/7DGr85c3rsY/mqdefault.jpg)
140k🎉still rewatching in 2024
lenny same
Same
same
2020 still super helpful
same, i drop spy 20 bombs now but still trying to improve
1. watches Slurgi play TF2
2. Gets inspired & motivated and goes to play TF2
3. Gets rekt
4. Cries
5. Repeats
That's how I learned.
***** Learnt not Learned
stephen allen Wait a second....
*Rips off Grammar Nazi arm patch and runs into the forest sobbing*
Aha :3
***** Don't do that. :(The internet says they're both right, but Learnt is common-ish outside of North America.
Very helpful video! I don't play spy very often, but it's very good to understand the enemies methods so that I can avoid falling for simple manipulation. Basically what I've learned is... DON'T try and melee a Spy! Use your gun or simply stay out of melee range until you can get assistance. A good Spy can easily land a backstab on you when you're chasing them.
Well, most of the time, if you don't we can just run away.
It's good to know that the bigger TF2 UA-camrs watch each other. It gives you a sense of the community that the game has developed as well as the knowledge that even the good players desire to understand more about the game.
OatmealTheCrazy And most of the time, we can use our gun to outdmg the enemy.
Uncle Dane you should give this guy a shoutout, he is probably the second most helpful tutorials, after yours of course
If you play a class in tf2 less you are better then the people who main that class unless if they are a comp player or an expert on it.
"Movement is a channel (in) which players communicate through that is open to manipulation." - Slurgi, Understanding Spy Movement
Luv ur frags : )
the sheer nostalgia from watching this
ik :(((
What separates slurgi from most other spies is analyzing other players, thinking consciously about trickstabs, and not just sticking to the matter of "press a press d get kills". You even did some circlestrafes there. His movement and thought process is also phenomenal.
I watch MrPaladin For mindset, stabby for quick reacting and flashy stabs, and Slurgi for movement and tricking enemies.
+subhim2 I wonder what videos these pro spies watched or all of them are self taugh? xD
+Lizard reptilian What division you are does not show how good of a player is. I bet I could beat him as a medic
+TheUKNutter spy isn't about 1v1. Also he would just blast your head off. Mr. Paladin is a pretty crappy spy. Slurgi definitely knows his stuff and then stabby is a great competitive spy, less so of a pub spy.
+ProGuyGaming! No he won't.
TheUKNutter
Oh okay. I forget about the part where stabby just wont shoot... Yeah okay bud. Medics are easy to kill 1v1, one headshot two bodyshots does a maximum of 202 dmg. Thats more than enough to kill a medic, even if it takes you a while after hitting him once. Idiot.
It took me about 2 weeks after finding this channel, but I can somewhat get stabs like slurgi now. I have 230 hours in spy and spent hours 100-200 only working on amby aim. Which isn't a bad thing to do. The first 100 were just basic spying around stuffs. Anyways, after about 2 weeks of trying to learn how to move like slurgi, I can now walk into a crowd of 4-5 people and trickstab as many as i can, then if i get at low health, i can keep a distance and headshot them. It is so rewarding. I feel like these tutorials are going to be what let me become a jack of all trades.
well i keep watching the video and i cant understand what he means would you help me ?
iroslayer -_- I quit spy sorry :/
Lifemarr why ?
iroslayer -_- I found out about 6s
Lifemarr well if you remember can you tell me or teach me
"And here I'm going to decloak in front of half the enemy team and set timers on each of them so that I can jump off this active teleporter, trickstab half of them then walk backwards towards this pyro, then immediately go towards a spun up heavy. I then trickstab the pyro off the heavy's knockback and make my escape."
It's all in the muscle memory, conscious thought rarely goes through your mind in regards as to how you play as so many things are racing through your head.
I wish trickstabs didn't look as weird as they do from the perspective of the one getting stabbed, because a lot of the times it just looks like he's not even on the edge of being able to backstab you.
I'm so bummed that i didn't bump into these spy channels like Stabby and Slurgi sooner. I've plaid 700+ hours of spy so far and it's always just been about stab everything that turns it's back to you. shoot every head which isn't moving too erratically. I've never put so much tough into what I'm doing in game until now. I've seen a dramatic increase in my success at stuff like trick stabs and Juking players in melee range and with the IW. I really appreciate these videos Slurgi thanks and keep up the good work!
I have this list
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15bBYnhuWZphjE-IrXbHZu6cEZ7FjStwJ8a7L_CxQ_bk/edit#gid=0
It's basically my collection for personal use or to help new/struggling players.
Maybe some day I'll be good at spy long enough to make my own videos.
OatmealTheCrazy Nice work dude and nice mention of the OMFGNinja the legend.
Lucas Cavalcanti He was great and all, but I wish SubtleArt got more recognition. He was one of the first well known spies if not the first. Sadly TF2 was way smaller when he was popular. Named my revolver after him since he always played stock.
Is very sad that he is stoped play tf2 he was my spy hero in the past now me new hero is slurgi do u watch?
Lucas Cavalcanti He's in the list, and he didn't just stop. He died.
So basically, if movement is a form of language, you can tell lies with it
haha
i think most players in this game, not just spies, underestimate the importance of movement.
dude you're like a magician
Totally agree. It must take you only nanoseconds to figure this stuff out.
This is a really interesting and challenging video. I thought the philosophy of playing Spy is to strike distracted/unaware players and nope out of danger when spotted, but you're showing how to dance in someone's face and still defeat them. Quite a different approach!
thank you so much for this masterpiece!
While I don't play spy any more, I still use this mindset with other classes and not just to fight decent spies. You can manipulate people with scout as well to get back scatter crits, or market gardens. If you are reading this Slurgi, thanks for being the absolute king.
4 almost 5 years later and I still refer young spies to the same old video. Slurgi you are a legend.
Iv been so hyped for this vid Slurgi and let me say the hype was real, well done vid
whatched this vid 6 times I keep coming back
I admit I've failed to resist being hyped for this video :)
Oh my goodness, though this was originally posted 5 years ago, this helped so so much. Thanks Slurgi
Slurgi, you know, you are my ideal when playing spy. But you see not everyone can do like this. The reason is PING. Like I have never played lower than 190 ping. And when it comes to trick stabs, the only stabs we can do is stair, side and matador stabs and, to some extent corner stab if the enemy has little or no reflexes. The lag compensation sometimes makes things harder by rewinding the game and blah blah. We know already.
But really, whenever I see your videos, it makes me play more of this game and discover the different techniques and play styles of spy! Thank you so much slugi, you made me understand all the stair stabs and other ones!!
Thanks once again
M. Asbaat Amar.
Thanks for everything Slurgi
Something every aspiring spy should know: BE UNPREDICTABLE! This was a very enlightening video to watch, and one that every new spy Main should take a look at.
The next tricks tab video you make, can you show us the perspective of the other player so we can have a better understanding of why the trick works?
you dont know how trickstabs work? pffttt
You've said this amazingly well.
Great job!
Thanks for using Some Place Quiet! So cool seeing it in a TF2 video, of all places! Thanks again :)
I think that you can practice as much you want, but if you dont have a good ping (40-30) it's A LOT harder to do those crazy range matadors or trickstabs in general.
That's what i thought in 2000 hours
totally agree with you i played spy for 300 h when i play with the invis watch i can juke people like slurgi said in the video but when it comes to crazy matadors its way harder when you have a shitty ping 80 90 sometimes when my internet is good i can get a ping of 60 70 and with this lowerping i get way more trickstabs
mouvement is really important even with a high ping you can still juke poeple to escape when it comes to trickstabs its way harder
94GOOGLE94 I also have 50fps :D
Maddisch on my standard 30fps comp I just used maxframes+ m0re's config. Everything looks like shit, but I had to limit it to 120.
OatmealTheCrazy
Do you have to put the m0res config into the cfg folder?
Maddisch rename whatever config you want to use as autoexec.cfg and put it in cfg foler
this video was actually super helpful. I've had "good movement" for a while in that I'm able to airstrafe and dodge well (soldier main, rocket jumping and all that), but I never thought of movement as a form of communication. after hearing that in this video though I have to say that's actually pretty spot on. great vid!
Good players don't use melee, they use guns.
Regardless, excellent video.
In comp play you should abide to that rule, but in pubs there is plenty of time trickstabs are a faster way of killing some1.
Great players use both.
its medieval mode = melee only and bows
Hamza Akhtar What if you are not playing degroot keep?
MrJason005 Great players use both.
-General Confusion
I keep coming back to this video. It's so chill and informative. Love you slurgi. Hopefully TF2 stays alive until they admit it needs community control.
The idea of communicating your movement to your opponent helped me understand how to make some tricks work, and how to fool the enemy team more consistently. Also, illusions are probably the most fun part of spying.
These movement things are really important as its look, i'm playing spy for 5 years and still love how this and others spy videos(like stabby's one) helps me to improve my playstyle. Of course there is no one best but keep practicing and understanding really helps you going to be better in this class. Also keep it a good spying video! :)
Very informative. Wish this video existed when I was into TF2.
you left tf2?, sad.
You are my only proper spy teacher that helped me massively. Appreciate that.
Watching Slurgi and Stabby's video really did help me improve a ton.
I would've loved to see the dodging your brother parts from his perspective too
Great job thinking about what really makes an effective player overall, spy or not, rather than focusing only on the last-second stab movement as most guides do. Just when I thought spy guides had everything covered. Adding to the top of my guides playlist :)
slurgi you dont even need all of these trick stab videos. all you need is a movement video and a sidestab video.
still your videos are really helpful and i love them all cant wait for more.
Slurgi ive tried to add you twice but what i really meant to add was because i want you to make a video on how to know where they are looking or how to understand our movement like if we move in a specific direction how to figure out where would the enemy fall on our trap when to strafe when to execute our stab.
This was the reason why i wanted to add you.
Thanks for sharing this with me Slurgi, this video really helped me to realize I need to practice movement more
probably the best videos for spy tips, enjoyed the vid just like the rest that u have uploaded
Another explanation/closer look into the spy, you gotta love em'. Thanks for uploading
Am I the only one who think "R.I.P dead ringer" everytime I see these videos ?
Dead Ringer is OP as fuck atm.
Damnit i was going to make a muscle memory video lol, But thanks for the tips man!
***** your videos are awesome white rice ;) i hope you'll have a lot of succes in your life with skatebording and all your projects you're awesome and very freindly good luck dude we'll miss you
Thanks Slurgi
Really appreciate your vids i find them entertaining yet education, which is a big feat since most of my teachers cant do that :) so cheers and keep up the good work
Really useful. That idea of making people do stuff makes a lot of sense. Now to get good at movement.
Thw a lot for this video, i was waiting since the annoucement on the steam group and at least it's here ! Thx again
is nice to watch this vids because if u watch a spy main player, u can learn the movements. even if u are not a spy main.
I found a null movement script to be a very useful thing, almost necessary.
So I have 400+ hrs as Spy, mostly because I just enjoy playing Spy, and I had never tried any of this before. I watched this vid and practiced a ton on degroot and IT ACTUALLY WORKS. You need to assess the average player skill level on a server as soon as you hop on, and then you can trick away with movement so convincingly. Really good players expect you to juke and dodge in certain ways, so you need to outwit them. Noob players don't even expect you to do that, so if you juke and dodge against them, you're actually setting yourself up for failure because they won't do what you expect them to do.
It's like a never-ending mindgame. Makes Spy so much more fun. You know it's working when you force half the enemy team to go Pyro and flame away like there's no tomorrow.
Awesome video Slurgi! Almost 1000 hours and I'm still learning new things!
MF DOOM of spy tutorials
this still helps new players
I luv you slurgi youre my favorite spy ever you are so good i became good because of you, i used to suck but then i got better and better, i watched all of your turorials over and over again and now i have a 2 minute compilation of trickstabs, its all because of movement, i got 3 matadors in a row, thank you so much! I will always subscribe to you, i showed you to all my friends that play spy, and all 3 think you are awesome.
TF2Slurgi wow great video man! i was a spy noob!before see ur videos Thx a lot man!
thx m8
I am impatient guy and I'm gonna rage a lot as spy but still try to improve, meaby day by day I can get better
3:31 had 65 hp (Regular melee damage is 65) but because tf2 back then depended on where you hit the target it did 61 dmg wOt
My only problem is I get really nervous when I do a trickstab
If you're nervous it's because you're thinking in the present, but as a spy you should always be thinking in the future.
Your music is always the coolest!!
Great video man, this really helped a lot! Keep chugging out content like this and youll be the next TF2 youtube celeb :D
Not to complain about anything in the video (it's amazing!) but I think it would've been nice to have this uploaded in 60fps so you could get a better look at some of the stabs/moves you make in the video.
Guessing most clips are in 30fps though so I doubt it would be possible :/
***** I don't know if you know already or not but you can actually upload to youtube in 60fps now and it will actually play back at 60fps at hd quality.
This is an amazing video, Slurgi. Thanks!
Very helpful. Everytime I’m in this situation the enemy gets a crit hit and I just die 😊
The key to avoiding being hit with trickstabs is the same as trying to execute one. Use your movement. Trick the enemy(spy) into acting first.
Make him think he can stairstab you but stay just out of range so he jumps down in front of you as an easy target. Follow to a corner but stop early/take it wide so they can't cornerstab you and it fucks with their prediction, etc.
Don't chase a spy with melee. You have a gun. Unfortunatly, so does he- but most forget they own one.. especially when trick stabbing for fun haha.
Play like a spy to kill a good spy.
Make them think you are a sheep, but be a wolf.
The biggest problem for most people, IMO, is that they just don't know how well a spy can take advantage of the natural lag between players. What you see on your screen isn't perfectly matched with your enemies screen. A lot of trick stabs work because you are actually ahead of where the enemy sees your character model by ~100ms. Tracking be damned if your target isn't where it is shown to be. Sure his hitbox might be there but his knife is already in your back lol.
But yeah, good video.
Like slurgi said, tell people where to look/aim and then do the opposite.
Predict their prediction by feeding them movement information. It's a language most people don't even know they are reading... so you can lie very easily ;)
That's what lets you slip behind someone while they are looking right at you haha.
standing still can be the most unpredictable thing to a spy, I agree
Just wow. Respect. Those were tricks I've never seen before. Subscribed
he brings a whole new meaning to pub spy
Even after the tenth time, I'm mesmerised watching this.
I've never really noticed before, but why don't you have a disguise model in your hud so you can see enemy weapons at a glance?
Hi
I love your taste in music
So trickstabs are basically like lies. You lie to them about your future position.
Good way to think about it
... this is what i'm missing. I'm good at trickstabbing and this would just be the next leap.
this is really impressive
I started playing TF2 just to play Spy. I don't really like FPS games, tbh, but... I love playing Spy for same reason I love magic tricks. Deception and manipulation are able to do amazing things... Or in TF2, make someone ragequit.
I think I like the idea of that not just for my power lust, but also for fact that it's not easy to do, but it's hella fun, and it can be rewarding.
Thanks for an amazing video, I hope it'll help me.
My ankles broke just watching the video
A true ninja. 2fast2quick
Beautiful movement
man you rly ninja in tf2 with the spy class
I've never watched you before, but I could easily fool spies at their own game like MrPaladin with my movement. This will make it even easier. Thanks!
Mr paladin isn't that good he's not bad but he's not that good he just plays against bad people
+KidneyStonez bad people? Bro I know he doesn't. He plays against steel players at best. Wins against them too.
TheUKNutter ok your right i used the wrong word my fault. In some not all but some on his videos he plays against people that nust instaleld the game. Also he gets away with stuff he should not be able to get away with (in his earlier videos) hes a good spy but he gets really lucky
just
KidneyStonez You've gotta be in his videos! All of his videos are with his subscribers, and many people try and kill him and/or pocket him. Well that's what has been happening this year. I always get put against really good players when I go on valve payload servers for some reason. I find it hard to keep up to be the MVP.
Was told to go here. Still cant predict pyros around corners.
Still coming back to this video 2021
I've done this once, but don't know if people will fall for it.
Step 1: Pretend to be AFK and DON'T disguise
Step 2: Wait for enemy to start taunt kill
Step 3: Get your easy stab
"Are you having problems?" YES!
"With spy in tf2?" Oh never mind
Thank you for your time and efforts
I remember this one thing you did. I was a spy after u. I noticed you were about to corner stab me, so I back away and then you strafe to do the attempt but continued to a full 270 and got me, I didn't even dare to turn towards the door to u. How ;;
Because the moment u backed away, u receive 10% speed reduction. Since slurgi kept moving forward, he caught up and backstabbed you. That's why it's important to strafe away to avoid that 10% speed reduction when backing up.
He did a C2C. search for c2c by culruldud
Backstab someone in the spine. Get slash damage. They turn around and backstab you from the belly bump. 100+ ping in a nutshell.
I used to have problems but after about a month I'm doing really good now
Oh ya, this one time I lasted the full game just juking people in medical in front of them, and got mvp
Good work. Air control is important! Air control control separates the good players from the less experienced players.
That was exactly the video I needed.
Thanks mate.
Just need to train and improve now...
Good job, keep going =)
Oh, I wanted to ask as well if you had any advice about how to practice it. Is there any map in your knowledge that is good to train on? Medieval maybe?
Amazing video. Best video in a while. More videos just like this please :)
dodging is an art
Thanks for still making videos!
Strafing is fun. I bunny hop and air strafe in all the Source games.
In my opinion surfing is the best way to practice strafing
But the airaccelerate is so much higher on surf servers so you can get used to being able to do a quick 180 at 2500 units per second and then stopping instantly by tapping S.
Is this like stabby's long lost spy brother
At 2:23 i learned how to matador like a pro THANK YOU
I used to sorta spam wasd until the moment I saw my hand move into the backstab motion, which worked like once
top notch man, nice vid!
Wow thx alot slurgi it really helped me.
me:*Watches any tf2 youtuber (any class)
me:I'll main (that class)