Ever noticed that in "Meet the Spy", when the RED Spy fights the Sniper, he pretty much does a sidestab, by having the Sniper charge at him, sidestep, turn around, and get Sniper's back.
@@cryptable_ yes it can't. but why would a pyro go near a spy while equipped with a flamethrower? I say, airblast the spy and pin him on the wall while puffing flames. even with dead ringer equipped you still can airblast the spy if you're quick enough. edit: grammar
Medic: I AM MELTIIIIING!!!!!!(17 health) Scout: OH YEAH!(124 health) *takes full health pack right in front of medic* Medic: *dies* *LOUD KID IN VOICE CHAT INTENSIFIES* *ragequit* Scout: *laughs*
Hitscan is clientside. Hit detection on all hitscan weapons is calculated by the client which is why high-ping snipers have a significant advantage when peeking, and is why hitscan classes are playable at high ping whereas projectile classes aren't. Heavies hitting you around corners ONLY happens while they can still see your hitbox. However, player rotation as backstabs are concerned is determined serverside. And since relative rotation of the players is what determines a backstab, this is what creates facestabs and failstabs. You can't see what the server sees which means preventing these situations is basically impossible except by simply stabbing people from further behind them or while they're unaware. Your point that face/failstabs don't exist is just silly in my opinion. They're not predictable or preventable, so they ARE basically random.
@@brenosl7 I watched this video simply to understand how the man with the spiffy mask could possibly instakill me while remaining in my FOV. I suppose I gotta buy a better connection
And they are extremely fast, that's what i noticed from their gameplay from mine, may i can do stuff, but because i dont do it at the speed of light everyone gets to remember to not get trickstabed or shot the spy
When I started as a spy main I wanted to know how to trickstab because of how handy it was. So I searched up tutorials and for years I improved over time. Though when I come back to most of them, I realize they were either too old to be useful or did not show how hard it was to use in a real situation, especially as a beginner and I didn't notice because I thought I was just really bad because I was new to the game. No matter what though, no matter how good or bad I am nowadays I always come back to this tutorial whenever I've lost my mojo or have taken too long of a break from the game. Because this is the only tutorial that simply explains trickstabs names, ways to perform them, and shows footage of how to pull them off in a real match, and which situation best to pull it off in and how to pull it off in that situation against a real player. Thanks Stary.
I guess this is motivation to make it. Great video stary. glad you mentioned the flip stab part with the teleporter. I only figured that out 3 years ago.
In half the time of the original Paladin tutorial and with much better information, guidance, and examples, you’ve successfully made a general trickstab tutorial. Thank you, as I now don’t feel the need to. 8) But I will make my own commentaries sometime anyways.
Moo? True but thats what separates this video from Mr Paladin’s. This is more general knowledge that highlights certain things, mr p’s breaks down a few types of stabs into more detail.
How to counter that kind of spies: 1. be pyro, heavy, soldier or demo. 2. be afraid of any kind of stairs. 3. look almost always up. 4. have nice aim. 5. go backwards (and crouch, if he has ambassador). 6. never use melee. EZ.
I mean, pressing the s key is just asking to get trickstabbed, so no to the go backwards. Always strafe and stay out of melee range... unless you're an overly aggressive medic like me who ubersaws literally everything.
2022ians watching the only tf2 tutorials available, here's a quick tip. Don't think of situations as ok it's time to do (trickstab type) think of it as what maneuvers can I combine using these umbrella terms to reach my opponents back as fast as possible.
Why is everyone shitting at Mr. P? He's such a sweet, chill dude. I mean, sure, he ain't no war machine, but hey so what? He teached me a bunch and his videos are pretty entertaining and laid back. That being said, this was a very educating vid and I might watch it more often to get better at the tricks.
Louis the II King of Hungary and Bohemia him, as he was obviously there and remembers the fun he had. But I'm guessing you don't know much about fun do you?
Yeah, fell for the Dropstab the other day. Chased a spy up some stairs waiting for that le epic mlg stair jump stab, but instead he just walked off. I followed and was going to scorch him and he got me in midair; very well played.
I honestly didn't know wtf a backstab was, not only does this tutorial teach you how to backstab it also teaches you what to look out for when someone is trying to backstab you. Very helpful tyvm
I like this type of content way more than the "anime thumbnail, compilation of destroying people with the baguette class." videos. Keep it up :thumbs_up:
Great video. If you want a more in-depth explanation of some of these stabs, I cannot recommend CulRulDud's circlestrafing series enough. As an example, CulRulDud explains that 4:25 and 4:26 are exactly the same stab: they're both level 1 stabs, where the opponent strafes towards you. You get those players by, as StaryKrow said, strafing sideways and eventually stabbing. 2:41 is a level 4 stab, where the opponent strafes around you. You get those players by moving forwards and backwards.
Omg the fail stabs happens so many times it pisses me off, when i'm about to backstab the last one single frame fails and the entire animation ends and no backstab, like wtf.
Now everytime someone accuses me of facestabs I just reply with "It's doesn't matter what you or I see. It's what the server sees. And it sees a back."
I domt get how that Asian girl playing scout thought that was lag at all. Even if she doesn’t know about the hit boxes, the spy was completely out of her vision... that’s a backstab.
Chilly Willy its not as easy as people said. Its hard using interp since you must use your instinct because you were playing behind others and cl interp is just a joke that stary made.
How is this the best guide I’ve seen out here, I’ve been playing spy for years and I’ve actually learned something new lol. Imma be honest I never knew the flipstab was a thing.
![[TF2] Default Sniper](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/KWaKQB2tHq4/mqdefault.jpg)
Finally a good trickstab tutorial, I'll be sending this one to those who constantly ask me to teach them.
Thanks Stary, you saved my life.
sterikrau pls pin
pls 1v1 him pls pls pls
MRswipez1 statup
Oh hi
Could we get a 1v1 vid of Swipez and Stary?
Jokes aside, this is actually the most comprehensive trickstab video I could find. Nothing else explained the hitboxes so well.
Ikr
Hi
What jokes 😐
@@tylerpaul6614 are you dense
hello not spy i am also not a spy
I always knew StaryKrow was a robot
why are you so late?
WHY THE FUCK DO I SEE U EVERYWHERE
GoldenDoc.Sonic same here
o shit boys he cracked the code
You've got some competition with Justin man you gotta step it up
Ever noticed that in "Meet the Spy", when the RED Spy fights the Sniper, he pretty much does a sidestab, by having the Sniper charge at him, sidestep, turn around, and get Sniper's back.
first trickstab ever existed?
Kids : oh man this video gonna help me get skill
Pyro mains : lol
for kids kinda but for me i just wanted to learn how to do the stabs they lockhard but i want to try it even if it means that il suck
Laser Dolphin but spy no have gun
I dont take what furries say seriously
The secret of being a good spy
You need to be:
A pyro main
A spy main
And get gud at pyro
And then you now how a pyro thinks
@@pootpoot4301
DiD yOu JuSt DiSrEsPeCtEd My FeLlOw FuRriEs?!111!!1!!!!!
You forgot to teach the trickstab at *8:41*
Cppie2 :D that is for a huntsman tutorial
That's called the predator missile stab
“You are now the most hated person in tf2”
Did I miss the step where I download aimbot and play sniper?
kaden elliott Why tho?
You did... Its in the super fine print...
And switch to your Artifact: Dota Card Game conscious objector after every kill to show it in the killcam.
It's you again lol
Get good
Get lmaobox
2:43 no one is gonna talk about spy left hand ?
Jare Jare Daze
What dk you mean “no one?” The majority of the comments are talking about that lmao
Yare Yare Daze it’s a mod that reskins the dead ringer.
I saw it to xd
I saw it
I did ;-;
soo many trickstabs to practice.. one airblast to counter them all
Strýko Fester and i can hold m1 and sometimes accidentally click m2
Airblast cant counter a facestab. Only if spy was airblasted before hitboxes have touched eachother.
@@cryptable_ yes it can't. but why would a pyro go near a spy while equipped with a flamethrower? I say, airblast the spy and pin him on the wall while puffing flames. even with dead ringer equipped you still can airblast the spy if you're quick enough.
edit: grammar
here is my special trickstab and its called revolver
@@noh_mercy3473 detonator jump then french fries.
Stary: Not only spy is the second fastest class in the game
Me: *Like father like son*
actually i think medic is faster than spy
i just searched in google and it seems that spy and medic have equal speed
@@unbreakablem7130 theyr equal
@@kiro_luv8424 dude you said that when he already knows
@@unbreakablem7130
Medic’s speed is almost identical to a scout when he’s healing one
Spy: tries to trickstab
Pyro: *M2*
So true
What...? Pyro pressing M2? THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW THEY CAN DO THAT!
The Boi I’m a pyro main and I do that all the time
@@gregheffley7726 bruh it's a joke of that only implies to wm1 phlog pyros or just wm1 pyros in general
@@TrizzyB47 the w+m1 meme is dead
"You are now the most hated player in tf2"
Didnt know this was a pyro guidr
This is a cutoff specifically from the Phlogistinator guide
That is the guide of how cancele animacion of the phlogisnitador
"The circlestrafe. Use against targets who like to hit W a lot."
*kills pyro*
_nice_
Woah its me
@@Axenscity hahhaha
I met a pyro who literally just spazzed out flicking his wrist everywhere so i couldnt even get near his back
666 likes for a reason
Ill make sure to only do sm1
Starly : "dont be predictable"
F2P shadowdeath1234xxx spy main standing still on stop of stair for 20min: say wut now ?
That's basically me with the cloak and dagger lol
bout to change my name to that and make people annoyed about getting killed by the edgy 12 year old
5:40
Did... Did you just commit a Scout..?
DID YOU JUST TAKE A FULL HEALTH PACK AT 124 HEALTH?!
Flame the Maniaac that is the ultimate bruh moment
Niiue ikr
😳
Oolk
Medic: I AM MELTIIIIING!!!!!!(17 health)
Scout: OH YEAH!(124 health) *takes full health pack right in front of medic*
Medic: *dies* *LOUD KID IN VOICE CHAT INTENSIFIES* *ragequit*
Scout: *laughs*
Spy > Anakin Skywalker
Reason: Spy won against people with the high ground.
So obi wan
Anakin spywalker
@@jahcob11 nice pun
@@jahcob11 I am ze spy
Damn, you have a very seductive voice StaryKrow. You should apply to be an anime English dub voice actor.
And seductive art~
The voice is soo gud
GLaDOS
sounds like a fat black man to me.
e621.net/post/index/1/starykrow
And if you're a weeb, your trick stabbing skills increases by 50%
Blind Man Adding an Amine profile pic and changing your name to Japanese will give 50% facestab bonus
Oh shit but im engi main and random crit is in my side while using eureka effect and pomson with short circuit
I cannot be spy main anymore i lose the trickstab skill
Blind Man I'm a weeb, but I main medic.
The Gamer Whos Bored
bad
Looks like Stary was cheating this entire time. He ain't using aimbot, though, he IS the bot.
Oh k
Ya know.... I’m an engineer and heavy main... I have honestly no idea why I’m here.
*_backstab_*
Herobro / TF2 learn what they do and learn to fight against it
Ok
Me *hears all these hard and complex trickstabs*
Narrator: Now on to the advanced ones
Me: *W H A T*
I keep doing sidestabs and crap accidentally so
edit: or habitually
Starykrow and swipez are the same person
YaBoiSlendeR OH SHIT
Except swipez has worse editing
Anime be like
Swipez is when starys mpd kicks in
Really intense one too
Ye
Okay
Thanks GladOS
HELL SPOON GLaDOS*
HELL SPOON siri*
Hitscan is clientside. Hit detection on all hitscan weapons is calculated by the client which is why high-ping snipers have a significant advantage when peeking, and is why hitscan classes are playable at high ping whereas projectile classes aren't. Heavies hitting you around corners ONLY happens while they can still see your hitbox. However, player rotation as backstabs are concerned is determined serverside. And since relative rotation of the players is what determines a backstab, this is what creates facestabs and failstabs. You can't see what the server sees which means preventing these situations is basically impossible except by simply stabbing people from further behind them or while they're unaware. Your point that face/failstabs don't exist is just silly in my opinion. They're not predictable or preventable, so they ARE basically random.
Did anyone read all of this? Or am i the only no life here?
@@chillnye1011 It's not that long, you aren't special.
Thats like giving random crits to the already powerful abilitiy to kill an enemy in a single hit.
@@brenosl7 I watched this video simply to understand how the man with the spiffy mask could possibly instakill me while remaining in my FOV. I suppose I gotta buy a better connection
@@chillnye1011 don't listen to him, you are special
3:41 that literally a butt stab
Asstab
spy the ass creck dealer
BUTTSEX
2:42 i see that middle finger mod 😅
Me too XD
Nein
Karma Charger
I have the most.
The Gronch 2:44
7:07 xDDDDDD
Statip
No u
GoOD daY AlL mR pAliDeN HeRE
I feel so bad that Mr. P is Australian, makes us look retarded af
S3NPAI
so basically it's hns
With no gs
You're here too franz?!
FranzJ epic white male is here to press the p on comment section
so when you doin a tf2 vid?
so basically you don’t actually understand and just tried to stay relevant
2:44 Ah, I love when Spy flips everyone off :P
OwO
@@crystleclemons598 no
@@crystleclemons598 no
Mr Paladin tutorial: 18 mins
StaryKrow tutorial: 9 mins
@@SomeEpicDoge your telling me this isnt his real voice?
Mrpaladin doesn't know how to jump stab lol
@@slane9393 I hope You do
@@othila9902 look st your channel
@@slane9393 My channel has nothing to do in this convo lol
Still hoping that you can do stairsrab amigo
What's this? An informative non - meme video from starykrow
*Who are you and what have you done with my favorite weeb*
ikr dude
8:41 non meme?
*youre wrong lad*
Why is Cephalon Shy telling me how to trickstab in TF2
Maybe because ur probably shit at spy
WrldProxTV you don't even know shy
Yeah lol (Dk’s Lover girl)
Tired from all the Mags, even Shy needs some time off to backstab some enemies
because stary is a robot
Me: plays spy
Everyone: turns around
Every spy main:plays spy
Everyone: Did you hear anything
And they are extremely fast, that's what i noticed from their gameplay from mine, may i can do stuff, but because i dont do it at the speed of light everyone gets to remember to not get trickstabed or shot the spy
*Good day yall Mr.paladin here*
*and today I'll teach you how to trickstab*
「 Wintertime 」 But I said that first... :(
Why do these get all the likes :(
Dud ur starting to appear everwhere
Evil i didnt really knew . i swear
Its.. Mr🅱️elodin here
Why does MrPaladin sound so different?
NikolasBruno you're as dumb as patrick
stop this argument lol
**G'DAY YALL, MR. PALADIN HERE**
*THIS IS CANCER*
YAEGER how is he a pedo.... is it cause he’s *AUSTRALIAN*
Why are u guys so rude
YAEGER no you and you ᕙ(❛.❛)ᕗ
YAEGER bitch I’m a grill
When I started as a spy main I wanted to know how to trickstab because of how handy it was. So I searched up tutorials and for years I improved over time. Though when I come back to most of them, I realize they were either too old to be useful or did not show how hard it was to use in a real situation, especially as a beginner and I didn't notice because I thought I was just really bad because I was new to the game. No matter what though, no matter how good or bad I am nowadays I always come back to this tutorial whenever I've lost my mojo or have taken too long of a break from the game. Because this is the only tutorial that simply explains trickstabs names, ways to perform them, and shows footage of how to pull them off in a real match, and which situation best to pull it off in and how to pull it off in that situation against a real player. Thanks Stary.
"Congratulations! You are officially the most hated player in TF2!"
XDDDDDD
Lol
I guess this is motivation to make it. Great video stary. glad you mentioned the flip stab part with the teleporter. I only figured that out 3 years ago.
Theoretical Spy Can you teach me how to make G'day all Mr paladin here stab plz.
In half the time of the original Paladin tutorial and with much better information, guidance, and examples, you’ve successfully made a general trickstab tutorial. Thank you, as I now don’t feel the need to. 8)
But I will make my own commentaries sometime anyways.
hell yeah dude
Gottem
Moo? but with a worse voice. seriously i hated that voice whole time. it was pinching in my ear.
well some people prefer to be anonymous on the internet
Moo? True but thats what separates this video from Mr Paladin’s. This is more general knowledge that highlights certain things, mr p’s breaks down a few types of stabs into more detail.
6:37 Poor F2p medic had no idea what was happening
How to counter that kind of spies:
1. be pyro, heavy, soldier or demo.
2. be afraid of any kind of stairs.
3. look almost always up.
4. have nice aim.
5. go backwards (and crouch, if he has ambassador).
6. never use melee.
EZ.
P U S S Y
You forgot one thing. People are stupid.
Spy has a gun!!!
I mean, pressing the s key is just asking to get trickstabbed, so no to the go backwards. Always strafe and stay out of melee range... unless you're an overly aggressive medic like me who ubersaws literally everything.
Spy has a gun and he can use him
Still
8:23 the salt from Skymin Slash 😂😂😂
4:11"... For targets who love to hold w "
5:55 " the most important factor in the stab is timing"
*laugh in 102ms ping*
Great video though
Can you teach the paladinstab?
You forgot to teach the most important trickstab of all...
The crab stab.
crab walk to make the enemy feel safe in killing you, strafe and stab?
shad slayer
Why of course.
2:44 Spy Flicks em off?
It's a taunt
@@nathanperez9596 Its a mod that reskins the dead ringer.
*F U C K Y O U*
2022ians watching the only tf2 tutorials available, here's a quick tip. Don't think of situations as ok it's time to do (trickstab type) think of it as what maneuvers can I combine using these umbrella terms to reach my opponents back as fast as possible.
8:22 StaryKrow makes TF2Tubers mad part 420 - Skymin edition
Huh a real video
I honestly expected a cl_interp 5 montage or something
Cppie2 :D That's what we were all expecting.
it’s the starykrow way
Why is everyone shitting at Mr. P?
He's such a sweet, chill dude. I mean, sure, he ain't no war machine, but hey so what?
He teached me a bunch and his videos are pretty entertaining and laid back.
That being said, this was a very educating vid and I might watch it more often to get better at the tricks.
Joshualacruz he's chill ? No he got a big ego too you know nothing of him
Elegant Spy
Enlighten me.
Where and when is his big ego so obvious?
Joshualacruz in his last video. The fact that you dont know about it shows that you only defend paladin
Elegant Spy
His Q&A or the vid about hats?
Joshualacruz the anti cheat video
"there's no such thing as face stabs"
Proceeds to explain how face stabs happen
The reason why I subbed: anime
The reason I love this channel: *anime*
Shy Gamer ok?
This is a great guide, but always remember the best trickstab in the game: Your fucking gun.
"Now please, don't ask me for anything again."
Can you teach me how to aim? >:]
Stary how 2 gud wit the amby? :3
mad boi he has like 8k hours
Step 1: go to the website LMAObox...
Play lot
6:55 "all that matters is if you're having fun." THIS MAN GETS IT! LISTEN TO HIM
how to get better at spy in general:
1. equip "The Anime Profile Picture"
2. win.
lmao You used clips from our Ready Steady Pan game
Louis the II King of Hungary and Bohemia him, as he was obviously there and remembers the fun he had. But I'm guessing you don't know much about fun do you?
Hi daddy!
“Trickstabbing is situational”
Every gibus spy that just watched this video: *”I AM THE SITUATION”*
Lmfao
Yeah, fell for the Dropstab the other day. Chased a spy up some stairs waiting for that le epic mlg stair jump stab, but instead he just walked off. I followed and was going to scorch him and he got me in midair; very well played.
Starykrow vs Mrpaladin
Top 10 Anime battles
StaryKrow vs Swipez
@@mazume191 We have it
Chun Jie Chen who would be the bully and who would be the loserr
@Chun Jie Chen yes pls
2:25 R.I.P. RobTheAwsm
"So how did you learn to backstab?"
GLaDOS thaught me
I honestly didn't know wtf a backstab was, not only does this tutorial teach you how to backstab it also teaches you what to look out for when someone is trying to backstab you. Very helpful tyvm
"oh one last thing I wanted to ask you fo-"
*I am emmediately obliterated by a laser beam sent by the gods
That guy on csgo: what is ur gab class in tf2
Other guys: demopan medic heavy scout
Me: spy
'Instant kick'
Alternative title: Fastest way to make the entire lobby hate you in TF2
Me: Wants to learn to Trickstab while watching a helpful video and play at the same time
Source Code: "I DON'T THINK SO"
I like this type of content way more than the "anime thumbnail, compilation of destroying people with the baguette class." videos. Keep it up :thumbs_up:
Saph agreed
My hitreg be like: OOH I SEE YOU'RE STABBING SOMEONE I WILL SHOW YOU THE ANIMATION OF STAB BUT ACTUALLY YOU WILL JUST HIT HIS BACK
Me: **on the side of an enemy**
Team Fortress: *I think not*
Finally a good trickstab video from someone who actually plays spy and knows wassup.
hold on a second... starykrow = quiet shy... makes sense tbh
faite warframe?
2:43 did anyone see that?
For what?
Lol the spy flipped him off
I was wondering if i was the only one...
yes. everybody did
So glaDOs increased the population of trickstabbers?
Time to burn sum
His voice is not glados cephalon shy
Oooohhhhh
As an up and coming spy main this was very helpful for both playing my other main pyro and spy as well. Thank you!
I hope you're going to tell us what the thumbnail is from.
For research, of course.
In the event you still don’t know, it’s The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya.
@@Straw_Breaker
guess whos back for more
@@heyimlithuanian1003 pardon?
The only time that I trust a robot voice.
* hears Howard music *
* dies of terminal autism *
Great video. If you want a more in-depth explanation of some of these stabs, I cannot recommend CulRulDud's circlestrafing series enough.
As an example, CulRulDud explains that 4:25 and 4:26 are exactly the same stab: they're both level 1 stabs, where the opponent strafes towards you. You get those players by, as StaryKrow said, strafing sideways and eventually stabbing. 2:41 is a level 4 stab, where the opponent strafes around you. You get those players by moving forwards and backwards.
Omg the fail stabs happens so many times it pisses me off, when i'm about to backstab the last one single frame fails and the entire animation ends and no backstab, like wtf.
Try playing around with your interp default interp is un reasonably high ide recommend cl_updaterate 66, cl_cmdrate 66, cl_interp_ratio 1, cl_interp 0
I know i really need to know how to fix this its so annoying
Even with butterknoves also not just backstabs
Now everytime someone accuses me of facestabs I just reply with "It's doesn't matter what you or I see. It's what the server sees. And it sees a back."
I domt get how that Asian girl playing scout thought that was lag at all. Even if she doesn’t know about the hit boxes, the spy was completely out of her vision... that’s a backstab.
That's skymin lol, pretty sure she's also not asian. But she does have a nitpick for spies lmao
Cocali she is
she does know about melee hitboxes she made a whole video about it, she just doesn’t know about spy
I don't even play Spy, I just find these types of videos really interesting
"I've watched a tutorial, I must be instantly the best spy in the world!"
-pablo Gonzales 2010
0:30 Gl.. GlaDos is you ?
Opponent in trick stab vids: **clueless and confused**
My opponents when i try to trick stab: *i seen all your movements AND techniques*
02:25 Oh hey, that's Rob
Wait wuz that guy at 7:07 real paladin
I didnt know shy had a no swearing sister.
Ps: this will be useful for spies....you monster
Shy bot 1.0 didn't have the swear module yet
Is this some Warframe in my TF2 content??!!1!
noooooo...... *hides warframe graffiti*
The generous square hit box is a clarifying explanation. Now I will become the best spy ever.
I don't see enemies are approaching indeed.
anyone knows the song playig from 0:00 till 0:24?
took around 2 minutes to find it by typing the lyrics in google: ua-cam.com/video/R0YTMQTK7pU/v-deo.html
Double You aye, thanks homie
The cl_interp command that literally makes you lag so you can trickstab easier is super scummy and shouldn't be allowed
Chilly Willy no it doesnt are you dumb ?
Elegant Spy causing yourself to lag behind to make backstabs easier is fair???
Chilly Willy its not as easy as people said. Its hard using interp since you must use your instinct because you were playing behind others and cl interp is just a joke that stary made.
Layney gamer indeed
Mercury I can’t tell if you’re joking because this is not how the interpolation command works and is actually way harder and unplayable
Was that ending a jojo part 5 reference?
hi my name is snail I noticed it as well
How is this the best guide I’ve seen out here, I’ve been playing spy for years and I’ve actually learned something new lol. Imma be honest I never knew the flipstab was a thing.
8:41 is this a new update?
Yea
Yes graphic setting for 1990s pc
8:41 dat huntsman frag tho
0:01
Whats the song name
Just the hitbox part is enough to explain everything, amazing!
*5:05* is this the real moo?
Cppie2 :D shatop idiomt