Gran Turismo 7 - PS5 vs PS4 Pro vs PS4 Cross-Gen Comparison - The Ultimate Head-to-Head!
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- Опубліковано 4 бер 2022
- How does Polyphony Digital scale the best Gran Turismo yet between three consoles with so many differences? Replay data can be shared across all PlayStations, allowing John Linneman and Alex Battaglia to produce one of the most dynamic comparison videos we've ever produced.
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Base PS4 is holding up alot better towards the end of it's life than the PS3 did.
The devs stopped trying. It was hard.
Ps4 is a breeze by now, owing to its more pc centric SDK
Due to PS5 shortages, not “good will” from devs.. it is all about money
@@6reen6uy Yeah, the Cell architecture is an absolute nightmare to work on. No wonder GT5 took 5 years to be released.
The ps3 and 360 were a weird hybrid between the system on a chip, like the ps2, and a pc. Now, we're fully in the game console is just a slightly specialized pc. Should make generation changes much smoother and much more akin to just upgrading a pc.
@@Zdman2001 You don't seem to know what a PC is.
Damn being able to compare the exact same save through both platforms not only makes the comparison super clean but also makes your guys jobs 100x easier! Great feature
The PS4 GT7 is a little better than PS5.
@@purwantiallan5089 god no lol
The back and forth gameplay between PS5 and PS4 Pro was so satisfying to watch. This video is awesome, thanks for your work!
I agree 👍🏼
When talking about technology, there's a concept called "the killer app". Basically, it's that piece of software that makes buying hardware worthwhile. Even 2 years after its release, the PS5 still doesn't have that killer app. It has games and it has exclusives, but they are still being developed for the PS4. The PS5 has such a small install base, developers aren't making games that utilize the PS5's hardware. Instead, they are developing for the PS4 and porting to the PS5.
It's impressive that the old consoles still keep up that good (despite loading times) by utilizing clever rendering tricks. We will see what the new generation can manage in the future with such tricks or even better ones ...
I remember when new consoles meant big leaps. Now it is a small step.
Welp, the PS4 pro has a rather powerful GPU, and half the RAM of the PS5, though the CPU was bad for it's time even.
Compare that with the jump from PS3 to 4: immeasurably better GPU, 16x the RAM, a usable harddrive(PS3 was bottlenecked by a really slow interface).
@@ThePsychoticWombat ps4 profs ram is slower then ps5's though. It is not the same ram
@@solid_justice5855 hence the resolution drop and reconstruction
@@paulclinton6414 new consoles are never huge leaps at the start of their life span. PS4 games from its first 2 years weren't that much better than PS3 games, but PS4 games in its last 2 years after massive step ups from PS3 games. The PS5 is gonna be the same, you just gotta give the devs some time to get used to and understand the capabilities of the new console.
The loading of PS5 is just insane. We are looking at 40 to 50 times the difference in loading speed when directly compared. Not even 1 second compared to 40 plus seconds on the HDD consoles!
Fast SSD is what I love about this gen.
I got so used to waiting for the loading times to finish so I go in my phone for a while but this time the PS5 won't let me didnt even have to touch my phone what a beast of a console!
@@itsGcEdit How much GT7 ps4 loading times improve with a SSD?
Some developers think that PS5 loading times are too fast and now they cannot show a loading screen with tips
@@santiagomoralesgarcia1802 not that much. Something like only a 50% improvement. So basically in gt7 at most 20 seconds faster.
This was the BEST comparison. Switching between the to clips is waaaaay better and easier to tell the difference than she by side. I wish you could do this on other comparison videos.
Man I remember going from the N64 to the ps2 to the 360 now that was a huge generational leap in technology I'll never forget.
Law of diminishing returns :)
I agree, but there are a few things that are blurring the picture this generation. The 1.5 : pro / Series X console updates and cross-generation games. It's always going to hold back the new systems.
I followed the exact same path of consoles growing up. And very much agree.
@@anis6800 yep. Beat me to it.
Best times to be a gamer. Devs had so many creative ideas
As a fellow car guy, I can appreciate that John has been using some really cool retro cars for his GT7 thumbnails like the F40 and now the FD rx-7. I share your love for the classics too, john!
Man, the PS4 version being a great experience is what makes this such a great game.
Personally PS4 is what I have and knowing it's good time with great graphics and performance is such a nice peace of mind, at least compared to many other cross gen titles I've been seeing recently.
Have to say, this was the most understandable of all the DF videos I've seen down the years - swapping between the same footage from different consoles really massively helped show the differences, which I often struggle to see/notice. Good work, lads!
They did a great job making sure each console was optimized and pushed as far as it could, even the PS4. I don't think anyone that doesn't have a PS5 will be disappointed with the version they're playing on
Sony quality
I was honestly looking for a ps5 digital. just to play gt7 since I assumed it was only on ps5 I can deal with playing it on the ps4 if I can get my hands on one. I miss the progression of gt compared to Forza.
They reduced graphics quality flatting down to the PS4 capabilities. Same model and number of polygons on PS4 and PS5. In such way PS5 is pretty useless, money waster. They actually developed this game for PS4 and put some additional trees and texture in PS5, pretty ridiculous.
Thats bullshit, you dont even have the game
@@TheRathead80 Go through Sony Direct. That's where I got my Ps5 digital. It took me around 1 month of trying everyday but everywhere else would sell out instantly even if I hit refresh the second the drop went live. (There are places to get inside information) The servers get overwhelmed meaning your debit card is useless unless you use paypal. & bots are way too fast.
But sony direct puts everyone in a waiting room on another server so if you get lucky & get a good place in line you can just buy it with a debit card with no issues at all. If you use an incognito tab & normal tab you actually get 2 places in line, doubling your chances. My wait time was around 15 mins & the disc version sold out right when I tried adding to cart but I don't regret the digital version at all. I download most of my games when they're on psn sales anyways. Good luck
Polyphony has made the right calls for every version and all look awesome to me!
the in motion comparison of the foliage and stuff between versions was really cool 👍 love that
Holy shit, I wish EVERY game would have ability to play replays across multiple consoles for digital Foundry to compare, it made it sooooo easy to see in real time the generation console changes!
The loading times on PS5 are absolutely stunning. Genuinely its like the whole game is always loaded for you. Amazing architecture of the PS5
Why does it mostly seem that cartridge-like load times are the sole highlight of the PS5? So pathetic
@@counterstriker3971 you mad that you're still on ps4
I know its great for replaying a license test for the 80th time to get gold.
@@counterstriker3971 all your comments are just bashing PS5... Get a life
@@Tool0GT92 I feel that... or accidentally exiting a license test that you're not happy with, but it's no big deal because PS5 load times.
I remember when going from 1 generation to the other was a pretty significant jump but from PS4 to PS5 if these guys don't point out the differences I wouldn't even notice it.
Its still early in the life cycle, cant compare much when it was basically made for PS4 just had minor upgrades to PS5. Either way PS5 is a significant jump over PS4, especially in performance. UA-cam doesn't justify the FULL experience
It’s because we’ve kinda reached a plateau in graphical fidelity, now the difference is basically Ray Tracing vs older Screen Space Reflections
I'm surprised how close the PS4 Pro version got to the PS5. I didn't even know this was coming to the PS4. Essentially the PS4 Pro version is GT7 at medium settings compared to High/Ultra on PS5. Lastly based on this video it appears there were cutdowns compared to what Sony showed off a year ago.
Nothing surprising really. It looks close to PS5 because they had to make it work on PS4, meaning PS5 couldn't have been pushed over the limit as it would break PS4. They could have squeezed a lot more from PS5 if they only built this for PS5, like dynamic culling, VRS, higher LOD, textures, etc...
It tends to happen as they get down to optimizing the game. Still looks pretty good on both PS4 pro and PS5
I play it on PS4 Pro and the game looks amazing! The car models and lighting even on PS4 Pro make the cars from FH5 on my Series X look like plastic toys. Before launch I played a lot of GT Sport as well and GT7 is still a sweet nice upgrade. Not only in the visual and audio department but the entire game as well. GT7 basically made the entirety of GT Sport completely obsolete.
PS4 pro with an ssd and new thermal paste/pads is amazing
@@sermerlin1 huh?
The biggest difference, though, is the LOAD TIMES!!! I was playing GT7 on PS5 for the first time last night, and it's amazing how quickly you can move around the game, especially compared to GT Sport. That really does make the experience 10x better.
Makes doing the license tests so much quicker.
It’s almost flawless, isn’t it? Nothing feels like a chore with how fast it all loads. It’s such a great thing.
It really does. Only thing that let's it down is the menu isn't the quickest to navigate.
Another thing everyone is forgetting about with the load times of the actual real world time wasted
What i mean is this if you play 100 hours of gt7 on a ps4 you probably have an Additional hour of two of gameplay that’s does absolutely nothing aka wasted time
@@cookedit yeah I’ve noticed some frame drops
My takeaway from this is the sheer speed of that SSD and what’s possible when it’s utilised…. 0.9 seconds 🤪
- never forget the dedicated hardware and API for decompression/caching.
That's what makes the SSD in Series and PS5 shine. It's not just the physical SSD unit -- it's the next-gen storage IO paired with it.
You could use a blistering fast SSD on last-gen and it's still missing that crucial hardware-accelerated IO component.
Lol when your game looks like a PS3 game without any 4K textures..😂 of course is going to load fast 🤣
@@griffgames9538 ,
Hardware acceleration on last-gen is NOT the only thing missing. What's missing is that none of the games are written to take advantage of the SSD. The data gets moved from the SSD/HDD into the shared memory (or system + VRAM on PC).... because OTHER tasks that involve the CPU/GPU are also going on during initial game setup the speed of the SSD doesn't matter much... you could put in a normal 550MBps sequential and get very similar load times to a drive that's HALF the speed.
The entire game ENGINE needs to be written to request assets ON-THE-FLY before drive speed matters much. Or the console's OS moving lumps of pre-prepared data (like game state saves). Or whatever... but speeding up the I/O on last-gen does very little if the game can't utlize it... same as on PC when a 3.5GBps SSD barely loads a game faster than a 0.5GBps SSD.
So to be CLEAR:
You need BOTH the hardware I/O to be present AND the game to be able to utilize it.
@@photonboy999 Yup.
@@damgood7525 child dragging on the console wars like it's still 2006 found
I was surprised by alix defending the defending the PS5 dips vs the PS4 versions in the rainy areas. He says that they're really low res effects on PS4 and that keeps the fps up over PS5 basically. That's kind of a poor excuse because PS5 is significantly more powerful than those PS4 systems, so really it should be able to handle it, and if it isn't maybe they're pushing it too far.
Yeah it was very obvious that he was trying to defend the ps5 from its shame ahha long live the ps4 pro (with SSD)
Your forgetting the ps4 and 4 pro are running at lower res then the 5 is, significantly more powerful yes, but the rendering is also significantly more demanding. If the 4's were to try and render the same native 4k as the 5 they would shit the bed completely.
@@crisnmaryfam7344 not forgetting any of that, PS5 should be more than capable of all that. If they make another gt game on PS5 it will look significantly better than this, because this game was designed around PS4 and they just added more for ps5 which is very inneficiant.
It's not really as sognificant as you think, the SSD, CPU and RAM are doing the work. The PS4 pro is equivalent to maybe a rx 580/1060 vs the ps5 which is 2070 super quality. A decent jump by all means but it's not insane like it was from ps2-ps3 or ps3-ps4.
Loving the game so far. Some awesomely beautiful moments to be had. Extremely polished and great fun!
Sooo polished! I'm actually very impressed at the level of polish I find myself in awe when a moment comes where the environment lighting hits the screen I have to pause it and just stare!
This. People criticize the graphics, but here's the catch: games like Forza Horizon 5 must sacrifice draw distance to achieve great looks, which leads to pop ins and visible LOD transitions. GT7 has very few, if any pop ins, and the lighting is the best ever seen in a racing game.
My Nissan Z '23 and my golf gti and v8 vantage keep slipping when shifting gears at low gears. Can you guys help figure out what's going on and what I need to change on the cars?
@@nightdriver7216 people also seem to forget that GT7 pushes these visuals while at constant native 4k at 60fps.
Forza (Horizon) and GT are wildly different games and graphics engines - forza is open-world for a start. F Horizon manages 60fps at a lower resolution and 4k at 30fps. Both are beautiful and great games. People need to chill!😅
Happy racing, fam :)
This game is really making me consider pausing my Horizon Forbidden West campaign
Edit - decided to buy it, too much ubisoft type collectable crap in Horizon Forbidden West. The first game was much better, sometimes keeping things simple is better than making things complicated.
I wonder if the PS4 will end up being Sony's new PS2, it's amazing how long the PS2 lasted and even when a good part of the world had already jumped to the new generation it still received games like Sonic Unleashed, Star Wars Force Unleashed, Need for Speed Undercover and Tomb Raider Underworld because it was still a cheaper option for those who wanted a console but couldn't buy a new generation console, especially here in Brazil where many still had the PS2 as their main console until 2014.
It's really cool to see when a console crosses all the barriers and ends up lasting that long. (and it's great for people like me who can't afford a new console yet but want to enjoy the new games)
Yep, PS4 is the new PS2
@@PauloR2T Obviously, just remember, the PS4 has a higher number of installed machines than the PS5 so it makes more sense to focus on the PS4 first and then port it to PS5 because its like i said, more people out there own a PS4 than a PS5.
I doubt the PS4 will go on for 2 console generations like the PS2 but I could see it receiving games up until 2024. PS3 actually also lasted a long time due to the Japanese market having a very slow transition to the PS4. Now it’s even worse for the PS5 in japan where even fewer people are purchasing a PS5 due to Sony and japan’s preference for portable gaming
@@DieHardjagged the same was true in first 2 years of PS4 life in comparison to PS3.
I get it the reason why less titles were cross-gen back then is connected to different architecture and most probably a significantly higher cost of developing for both. I believe we will a few more titles for PS4.
I believe it will due to how covid has screwed up their plans in fact i also feel PS5 will have the shortest in terms of time between generation to generation while ps4 holds up well in the meantime
Great video guys. The flicking back and forth between systems was awesome. I'm enjoying it on PS5. The motion blurs sick and load times make it a breeze to play. But glad to know the guys on PS4 are still getting a good deal. Good job Sony.
Those shots switching from 5 to 4pro were amazing, congrats
The takeaway from this is how impressive the base console is.
Take away from this how they never pushed the PS5.
Amazing for a 9 year old 400 $ machine.
@@glenmcl True
GT7 is a ps4 game that's ported to the ps5
So the last gen consoles doing "impressive" really isn't considering Polyphony prioritized the last gen consoles
@Salt Maker Drive Club physics are trash. Stop being a graphics hoar.
I know the all the rage is in Elden Ring right now, as well as Horizon Forbidden West, but I’m glad GT7 came out so there’s a little something for everyone and truly enjoying my first GT since GT6 on PS3.
Great editing on the compares - very smooth. Well done guys!
Another great video. Loved the switching back and forth For comparisons.
It would be nice to see a performance RT mode. Maybe it could be done at 1800p or 1440p. Also, great video guys.
Does seem like an over sight given how much praise performance RT modes have gotten
I'm waiting for this as well. I wish that Polyphony could find a way to integrate RT into actual gameplay as opposed to just replays and demo mode.
Think more like 1080p60. The ray tracing on the ps5 isnt so strong.
@@meowmeow2759 I think it could be possible at 1440p if you look at what Insomniac did with Ratchet & Clank and Miles Morales. If they lower the RT reflection resolution to also help.
@@TristanTheVRGamecat I don’t think it’s oversight. Yamauchi has always been a stickler for the best possible quality out of the game engine on any given system. He’d much rather have the highest resolution, highest frame rate, highest highest quality raytracing possible. He may consider a lower resolution raytracing on the cars ruins the beauty of said vehicles, reason why it wasn’t a goal to implement it.
Full marks for showing AE86 Levin car in the comparison footage.
Digital Foundary, you know your stuff 👍🏻!
Having a PS4 and PS5, didn't know about the cross-saving feature, that's really cool!
Don't need a ps4 anymore
Nobody No one
@@putinpower yes you need. Ps5 isn't available unless you're lucky
Haha PlayStation. Good Luck pathetic specs
@@neoone75 ps5 ? Nobody with a brain buys that
@@neoone75 you must know some really unlucky people, because getting a ps5 today is heavily available.
Very impressed with the analysis of GT7 . I found this channel a few months ago and now they are my go to for all my video game tech info ! Excellent work gentlemen !
Ι think the next gen differences in graphics will be seen more in the future updates where completely new tracks will be added. The new tracks in gt7 (trial mountain and deepforest) look absolutely stunning. All the other tracks are just gt sport tracks but a bit enchanced
damage control
As long as it has to run on PS4 it will not look next gen. Hope I wrong but I can't see how it's logically possible
How do GT7 fans feel about the insane microtransactions? single cars costing up to $200 and $20-$50 being a fairly average price for most cars 🤯
@@lordxboss5700 reserved for the rich kids that will fund the game. I’ll just grind and earn the cars.
@@jakee5059 everything is going that route. Halo infinite disc didn’t even have the game on it.
Really cool video, I've been really enjoying all the details, especially the reflection and ray of lights. It's very immersive. For real. Thanks for your detailed analysis. Keeps my eyes even more focused.
the synced comparison is insane. Nice work!
The loading time differences are insane.
loving gt7, just unlocked nurburgring and exploring the online trial run / social options so far, really cool, you can really tell this is a ps4/pro game that is extremely suped up for the ps5 with addition of 4k60 and RT for replays and photos, and it's early in the gen so the release makes sense, but this just makes me further more excited about the future of GT as well, the data loading in and out via SSD and compression tech of the ps5 is perfect for a track racing game where you can only see a small segment of the full track at the same time - reminds me of DF videos on crash bandicoot retro talking about the streaming technology to get the highest resolution assets - this really is just a taste of what GT can be on the ps5 and dare i say the ps5 pro...... if it will have a dedicated gpu unit for RT 4k60 with RT should be easy, with a lot more complexity in background and environment details as a ps5 only game
Usually never comment on your videos, but, I really appreciate the flashing back and forth between the different versions in real time like that! I hate having to look at different parts of my screen to see the difference between games.
Amazing video showing the comparison. It's on point. Love it.
I absolutely love the work you guys do but as someone who has not gone too far out of the way to find a PS5, I look at this video and say to myself that the only thing that makes the PS5 better in terms of experience would be the greatly reduced load times. Hats off to PD for not short changing us folks who don't have time to fight ordering bots or pay an king's ransom to gougers.
Continue the good fight lad. Never pay a scalper for gouging prices.
I fought for 4 months until i finally got one. It was stressful and frustrating. You're right though, for now the loading times are the only real benefit. Framerate is nice, but not needed. Man I'm loving elden ring
Another *huge* benefit is the noise. My PS4 Pro sounded like it was about to explode sometimes. It was very annoying.
And about getting a PS5, can't you order it online and then have it sent when it's available? That's how I got mine at retail price nine months after launch (I placed the order just after.)
I was shocked to see base ps4 targeting 60fps, a few fps drops here and there but in the main it gives a good showing.
Idk how it's surprising every single GT game has been 60fps since the PS2 era it's just not something they have ever advertised
@@tankiller9638 its a great technical achievement given the quality of the visuals. 60fps is something I never take for granted especially when so many titles nowadays show poor performance.
They could have pushed more detail on PS4 with a 30 FPS lock.
I would also say it's not so hard to achieve high frame rate on these type of games, the world is mostly empty with the only entities being the cars.
GT7 with 30fps locked?? I dont think so kiddo
@@Jay-jb2vr if you'll fall asleep by playing a driving sim might aswell do it in a cinematic style.
Those loading times are incredible, under a second!! Also impressed by how much that motion blur ties everything together.
looks amazing! I love that you guys could make the video with the same replays and flip between them. Holy smokes
I love your work guys! In all honesty, I am shocked how minor the improvements are between a generation - perhaps taking into account my expectations of a generation jump. Sad to find out the ray-tracing is replays only, it hardly seems worth mentioning to me!
Well considering replays are a huge part of the game, I would say its definitely worth mentioning.
Rather disable RT and enjoy 60 FPS replays
Nothing to be shocked over.
@@Wiiillllson151 how are replays a "huge part of the game" lol let alone "ray tracing in replays"
@@metadata4255 Dude how do you think video uploads work? The replay actually has better spatial Audio and and the global illumination in RT mode Is phenomenal. I always save a replay of Great Races and honestly It can be better watching it then driving considering the action shots it produces.
i have liked and commented every single one of your video. I love all your work - i love the quality it sets. most importantly - it is a mark of dedication that continues to inspire. Thank you! Huge fan, always.
One of the best comparison videos and analysis! Great job guys! 👍
Again and as always a fantastic comparison video from DF.
Many thanks to John and Alex for this. Impressive stuff.
Looking forward to play GT7 on my Ps5 next week.
I remember the time we compare mega drive and snes, sega saturn to playstation, dreamcast to playstation 2 to xbox. we can see distinctive graphic difference. Nowadays, a cross gen comparison, I have to put my glasses on and lean very close to the monitor, still can't see much of difference. well, I think the fun of graphics comparison is pretty much over.
On PS5, what tripped me out was when buying a car, you can set it to dynamic scenery to show the car in motion in different areas, but you can also change the color instantly while it's doing that.
Idk but little things like that is crazy to me lol
To be fair you could already change the color of the vehicle in real time on GT Sport while it is driving on those demo scenes you describe.
@@MegaRayland cool.
I was finally able to get ps5 at GameStop this morning and the loading times alone is worth it. Now I feel more inclined to tune my cars due to loading times
Cheers guys, answered all the questions I had. Nice one !
maybe it's just me, but when playing on PS5 the graphics look good but not crazy realistic during the races themselves, but during the replay it looks like I'm watching real footage of a race. It's crazy
That's because during a race the graphics are turned down a little to hit the targeted frames
Polyphony Digital has always been really good at squeezing out graphical fidelity while keeping performance high, and I'm definitely more than happy with how things turned out on base PS4 vs. PS5. Can't wait when a PS5 actually becomes attainable so i can get those faster load times
the perfectly matched driving and transitions from 3:16 on trial mountain is soooo goooood
Wow i had just watched the review video yesterday and now you've done this. That was fast. You deserve a like for this effort with much love.
I was so hyped when it got announced and i am not disappointed even though my expectations were high. It's rare not to be disappointed when a hyped videogame finally releases.
Except for the fact that 98% of the game will be unplayable in 5 or 10 years when the servers go offline.
The game is beautiful, and the controls are tight. I'm always telling myself, " Just one more race." lol
Playing GT7 on a PS5 is *tight*
Beautiful? LMAOOOOO
I'll wait till he goes on sale but this game looks fun+
Shoutout to the editor (or whoever) decided to switch back and forth between the two versions! That's exactly what I like to see when comparing - makes it so much easier - appreciate the time and effort y'all keep putting into these videos! Much love!
Edit: Just got to the 7:00 mark where y'all explain how this was possible lol. Man, if only every game allowed this feature! Comparison videos would be L I T.
Exelent video as allways. Btw loved the fact that you using Takumi AE 86 for almost the hole video :)
So for $10 extra, the PS5 version gives you more grass/trees and faster loading times?
Getting it looking that good on the original PS4 is pretty impressive tbh :)
@Salt Maker it also runs at 30FPS only, which is a sacrilege for racing games
Lol.. their the same game 😂 except $ony charges you $70 for the
Paystation 5 version 🤣 Pay Has No Limit For the Payers $$$
@@damgood7525 I rather pay for games than play half ass effort games on gamepass like halo infinite campaign.
@@Mike-wc3jo oh you measn half ass games like the 92 meta Forza Horizon 5.. 😂 huge open world wicht look and plays miles better then this ps3 looking game at $70.. stay on point kid. Halo is a first person shooter not the same comparison 🤣 but at least you tried
That's definitely the most impressive comparison yet, being able to run the same in-game replay footage between all three consoles sure worked wonders!😁👍👏
the editing on this video is amazing thanks so much
What about performance when you lock PS4 Pro to 1080p? Apart from inclusion of motion blur, does it also increse performance?
Yeah, I would have liked to have known this as well. They almost completely glossed over the PS4 Pro in 1080p ... they only mentioned it because of motion blur being available on PS4 Pro in that particular mode. It would have been interesting to see if the PS4 Pro could maintain a flat 60FPS on the rainy track with all the cars ahead of you in 1080p, etc.
Maybe I missed it, but what about the Dualsense? I’m interested to know, how they implemented it in this game :)
Check reviews from other channels, it's very interesting
Lots of vibrating
Awesome video. Thank you guys.
Brilliant analysis as always by you guys.
I've got this for the PS5 and overall I'm happy with it...it's a tad buggy online at the moment and replays are prone to slight slowdown during specific races.
I'd imagine Polyphony are on the case already 👍
Great job DF i am loving the game on PS4 Pro and had no reason to be worried thanks again, now back to racing ;)
Nice feedback thanks
Digital Foundry, keeping developers on their toes lol
You guys do such a great job breaking everything down.. this will be my first GT game with a steering wheel....
Playing moon over the castle in the background from the second game intro is a great move :) I like that more than the new version in the GT7 intro
I’ve got it on ps5. When I booted it up. I thought for sure I’m going with the ray tracing mode. I know it’s not in gameplay, but in everything else. Photo mode, replays, menus etc. but… when in the garage viewing my cars in scapes etc, then flipping over to performance mode. Performance is so much better. Can barely notice the ray tracing in all honesty. In fact, I didn’t really notice it at all. Only if you look for it. In performance mode, everything else is so smooth. It actually looks next gen. Performance mode easily.
I've seen some comparisons and feel the same way. Looks like the ray tracing is not that extensive, and they've had to cut resolution/aliasing to compensate. In some scenes, the non-raytraced lighting also just looks overall better. I've kept it on performance mode from the beginning and replays/scapes are a sight to behold.
The gameplay always stays in performance mode. So it’s better to just keep it in RT mode. You get RT in menus, scapes and replays and gameplay in performance. Best of both worlds.
@@maxminy5634 I know.
But the ray tracing makes the performance look awful. I know it’s 30. But 60 is so much more appealing to the eyes. And plus I can’t even tell. For me, it’s not worth the trade off.
@@richwatson1985 the gameplay doesn’t go to 30. The only thing in 30 and RT is the replays. You’re playing the same way regardless of performance or RT mode
@@maxminy5634 yes I know 😂 I know gameplay is 60. Gameplay is 60 regardless of what mode you choose. And the rest is 30 in ray tracing. I’m saying the way the 30fps is done, I don’t think it’s that great. I think overall it looks better in performance mode for the menus, photo mode, replays etc
I wonder if an aggressive DRS solution would be enough to implement RT reflections during gameplay while retaining the same or similar level of performance.
Either way, it seems odd to not include DRS even for a game that's *mostly* locked to it's target framerate. Given how minor the frame drops are, DRS could probably eliminate those entirely while only having to make very minor adjustments to resolution
It would be too costly a hit. Maybe ps6 time or if they drop a PC port.
@@crazykenbei no it wouldn't, if they're dropping less than 10 frames during performance bottlenecks and the frame drops don't happen that often, that means the hit to performance is minimal at best. Which means the resolution wouldn't have to drop very much at all, and even when it does dip it wouldn't last for very long. I'm talking specifically about the PS5 version though. Also whether the resolution dip is too costly varies from person to person, I'd be fine with anything from 1400p-2160p personally
@@apictureoffunction probably but Gran Turismo is a series that isn't about compromising and cutting corners. It's supposed to be a tour de force in the car visuals. I think they would rather just wait when the console tech is powerful enough or when they don't have to deal with the cross gen stuff.
If you aren’t looking at the different versions side by side, the base PS4 version looks great!
Looks basically the same everywhere, it's a cross gen game and it shows
I'm really happy how the ps4 version turned out, but I hope they fix the small framerate issue.
Im sure a patch for all 3 versions is in the works.
So basically YET another reason to not hunt for a ps5 since I have a ps4 pro w an upgraded SSD
These side by sides are so good. One of the few games that allows this sort of direct comparison I guess? Well done fellas
5:22 May have forgotten to add the “PS4 Pro” tag on the bottom left as it was switching. Great video!
Ngl, I wished GT7 was current-gen only. Whilst GT7 looks great on PS5 it is clearly built on GT sport (which is last-gen). So at the end of the day GT7 is just a nicer looking GT sport.
I just feel last-gen is holding back (graphically) current-gen games.
Or they just can't be arsed to make an effort because lets be honest there was hardly a leap from GT6 ps3 to GTsport.
@@johnbishop2536 True. I almost forgot how GT5 had premium and PS2 era car models. But the decision to go cross-gen is understandable seeing that we’re in 2022 and still hard to find PS5.
I don't think Polyphony could pump out a proper next-gen GT7 that quickly. GT7 was always going to be a nicer looking GT Sport unless they delayed it to 2025-2026.
Forza Motorsport is gonna blow this out of the water
Honestly, not a big difference imo. Like Alex said it's basically the difference between PC low-medium and ultra settings which oftentimes don't impress me anyways.
Little bit more detail here, better reflections there and higher res and sure, ray-tracing in some cases.
Considering the major difference in hardware power, you would expect a little more, but for cross-gen games I guess that's to be expected.
Cool analysis! One thing I saw in this video that I don't think I heard mentioned is that reflections do not appear to have the "effects" applied to surfaces in them or, at least there's some lessened LOD variation of them applied instead.
e.g. @20:55 the alpha layer of the tarmac tears(?) do not render properly in the reflection... but the underlying (probably) vectorised letters are...
Wow this is so comprehensive. Thank you for this awesome video, I think I am now in love with both Gran Turismo 7 and PS5. I never played the GT series and the closest I've come to a driving simulator was Assetto Corsa and Project Cars 2. I have a PS4 Pro with a couple upgrades, but it can't compete with a PS5.
Wow, massive cross-gen differences but a stunning achievement everywhere. Dare I dream about a PC release one day? Awesome job John and Alex!
It’s in the September nvidia leak. So potentially!
@@MrThecoolman no that leak is just a stress test
@@MrThecoolman 🤣🤣🤣🤣😅
Difference?
I'd kill for a PC port
I love how you guys keep in parts where the crew stumbles over a word or two like with Alex suddenly becoming inebriated while saying "Playstation 5" at 13:17. Made me laugh. Happens to me all too often.
Great Video, as you mentioned l really love that PD took the time to make the game so playable across the 3 platforms and didn't rush out a 1/2 completed game like nearly all game do now then fix with updates if you are lucky. Really love PD ideology and commitment to making a high quality product. There are a few issues with the game that l would like changed, like no tuning in dailies or making dailies that have & haven't got tuning but overall a Great Release.
Great works as always
Great work on the comparision. I think PS4 Pro is holding up quite well. The difference is very big between the versions and there are some fps drops but I think on it's own it looks pretty decent. I'm on Xbox but props to Polyphony for giving last gen PlayStation good experience in GT7. Also, it was good to hear Nurburgring Suite from Enthusia in the background!
base ps4 as well is holding up well
Overall what looks better GT7 on PS4-Pro
Or Forza 7 on One X ?
@@TelscombeTerror My knowledge is rather limited as I didn't play GT7 but it definitely has better car models and lighting than FM7. FM7 has tons of cars but they are less accurate than GT - some car models are quite old and car sounds are worse. FM7 on the other hand should have more stable framerate and it runs in native 4K.
@@TelscombeTerror Forza cuz it's native 4k
@@TelscombeTerror You can argue it comes down to taste. I think GT7 looks like a Micheal Bay movie, so forza looks more like real life, despite not having as much detail, being 5 years old. Forza maybe looks a bit washed out in comparison but I prefer that. Both games are probably worth a play. You'll have to track down Forza 2nd hand because MS don't sell it anymore.
I'm in love with this game 😊❤️
& i really hope they make/port it to Playstation VR2
Really?
@@artmars5799 why not racing games are best played in vr you can turn ya head use your mirrors actually effectively and with a good wheel with some decent feedback can be super immersive
Polyphony probably already have the PSVR2 Dev kit... GT is a triple A title for Sony ..makes huge sence to implement it to shift head sets when they are eventually available.
@@artmars5799 You’d be surprised at how many sim racing games support VR & how much demand there is for the ones that don’t to do so. Having tried GT Sport on the original PSVR & Project CARS on my Rift S, there definitely is a benefit (driving does feel more natural in VR as you can utilize techniques you would in real life, such as looking where you want to go).
@@NN010 don't forget using VR is often cheaper than a triple monitor setup for sims.
Explanation on how they managed to get the exact same clips on different consoles at 6:44.
Edit: I see they've included it in the description too. Nice.
So good to hear Enthusia's Nürburgring Suite at the beginning of racing game videos from Digital Foundry... someone has very good taste in music!
I wonder what they could've done if they developed this game for the ps5 only
A lot more I expect. The rain effects are still some way behind Forza Motorsport 7, and PS4 could be the reason.
yes!!! sucks we still have a PS4 game 😑😑😑😑
@@grumpyrocker lol that was made for Xbox one. Forza Motorsport will be series consoles only and that will blow this out of the water.
@@grumpyrocker But FM7 was made for the base xbox one wich is weaker than the base ps4. And still looks better than this.
@@007Dcastillo 1080p does not look better than 4k lmao. And GT sport even looks better than forza 7. But yeah the rain effects are the only thing that doesn’t look amazing. Driveclub rain effects even look better
I’m hating this game. The last GT game I played was GT5. This one seems very restrictive to start, I wish I could get my money back.
something about the field of view in third person does a really good job at making you feel like you are driving fast even when your not driving at 100mph, cant explain it hope others noticed his too
Gt5 opening cinematic is so nostalgic I played the hell out of that game hope to get this soon
I love the optimization effort the put in! This game is absolutely beautiful! looking forward to upgrading my tv to next years highest end model so i can get next gen image quality from this.
A little bit disapointet that there was no direct comparison with GT Sport, since it was mentioned so oftne in this video. Also i would have liked more Ps4 footage, since this is the most played on console. Also i am missing the respect towards PD for bringing such a superb version to a console thats almost 9 years old.
Nice work, guys!!!!!!!!
this is a great comparison, thank you.