I live in upstate NY. We have to fill our 500 gallon propane every month and a half in the winter. That's pretty expensive. We're making the change to electric everything (boiler, hot water heater, stove) as we will make our money back in less than 2 years. Where we live and with what we use for gas the electric makes way more sense to me.
Same. Hudson Valley area. We've converted to electric everything. Heat pumps, water heater, stove, etc. We're planning on installing solar panels, and hopefully that will make us more energy efficient and independent.
Cost per BTU would be way cheaper with a wood boiler. 1 Cord of wood is about 200 bucks, with electric that BTU output will cost $934.80 at .11c per KW.
It sounds like you either have a large space or are not very well insulated. If it's the latter, I'd spend my $$ on getting better insulation and sealing all house penetrations - like caulking around windows, hose bibs, etc. Get triple paned windows next - they are normally only $100 more than double paned and are double the efficiency. I did this on my place and cut my building load by 2/3's. Where I am, they are trying to push folks to electric over natural gas. Not sure which way to go - am even looking at solar as a possible booster to get ground water up from 45 degrees to 75 degrees. Then picking something to get the last 30 degrees.
@@petersamios5409 You're probably right. our house is 100+ years old. Insulating everything has been both expensive and a slow process as we have to rip out the old lath and plaster walls, insulate, then re-drywall everything. Some of the insulation is literally made up of newspaper haha.
Electric water heaters are popular in Europe because they can run double the voltage we can in America. A 220v line requires a thick and expensive cable to carry current, but if you have a higher voltage grid you don’t need big cables because the heater isn’t drawing huge current when it has voltage instead.
I've never seen a gas tankless that costs nearly that much. Mine have cost $1200 for two and $980 for my newest. No way it costs $3k+ to install. Flow rates also vary, since the rating is based on a 40° temp rise. 50° water to 130° lowers the gpm
Society has a large population of people with disposable income today, they are more educated in certain areas and way less in others but they don’t realize this. Since no one wants to work today used car salesman have moved into the plumbing market and educated idiots will pay their prices. There’s 3 rules in plumbing and it doesn’t take a genius to know them.
i have a 24KW electric unit. its spec say 4.68 GPM Flow rate, but my ground water is much warmer then we thought. So we have seen much higher flow rates and still keeping the temp up. its just used more power
Our experinces...While out of town a HVAC company charged me $2300 to replace a 40gall gravity draft NG HW tank at a rental, so I have been installing Stiebel Eltron electric units in all our upstate NY properties. Some are already 12 years old. In 2009 I replaced our 80gall NG HW tank with a cheap NG on-demand jaccuzzi I got at Lowes for $150. It was return & had everything with it. My NG bill dropped $1600 the following year & that old system is still running. But at the time we had 5 teenage showers going every morning with 2 of them teenage girls so that 80gall HW tank would run out of HW fast. My Lakehouse neighbor paid $3200 to replace his propane HW tank, has to drain & winterize every year, pay for the propane tank rental & refill & his propane fce is never used. That same year 2015 I installed a $699 Stiebel Eltron in our ALL ELECTRIC lakehouse & our highest electric bill since was $68 (summer 2024) with our mini split a/c etc also running constantly. 4 years ago I installed a Stiebel Eltron ($799) in our Scottsdale vacation home & the NG bill dropped from $145 to $16/month. Our old 50gall HW tank cooked HW constantly even when the garage was 110deg F. Our cooktop & BBQ are now the only systems using NG & the NG fces have NEVER been used. 5 years ago I installed an $899 AO Smith 166kBTU NG HW system in our 7 unit apt bldg. It replaced the 75gall NG HW tank that constantly ran out of HW & after 5-6 years they all leaked.The NG billing dropped signifcantly & with 17-20 taking showers no-one has complained about no HW. That same year my BIL replaced two 75gall NG HW tanks with a NG Navien system ($7200) & he had call backs for several months after for board issues & still waits minutes for HW to arrive at the faucetts.
I live in a RV. Right now I have the stock gas/electric HWH. All I use my hot water for is showering. I do have a dishwasher but it has its own heating element. Would a electric HWH be enough for me? And how long can you shower with an electric on demand HWH?
If you have power outage and have a standby generator. The generator may have a hard time getting the electric hot water heater; water hot. Something to consider.
I prefer electric. It's safer, cleaner for the environment, and requires less. Although it is for a 2 story house, there are only 2 - 3 of us, and we aren't excessive with the hot water.
@@Tustian999 I don't have one yet because I couldn't get enough info in time, to make me comfortable enough to switch to tankless. I ended up just getting a better upgraded "traditional" one. But I was looking at ones from Stiebel Eltron and EcoSmart (because of the lifetime warranty). Although Rheem is a big manufacturer, for tankless water heaters, I saw too many negative reviews.
I cannot have electric tankless water heater because I live in California rural at constantly electrically outages. So, propane is wiser plus, using generator for the balancing heating and start up flame too.
I am a plumber and if you want to install electric remember the capacity of gpm greatly diminish vs a gas . I don’t doubt that electric will be the top water heaters in the future but right now the technology is not there
Operating costs are too variable from place to place because of cost per kwh, ground water temp, temp setting, demand and flow rates. Electric is 100% efficient vs less than 100% for gas.
That nonstop background music is so freaking annoying. I cant comprehend what your saying. when you talk to your customers, do you have the music playing in the background?
Plumbers will always tell you gas tankless water heaters because they make a big profit in gas installation. Electric ⚡️ is the much cheaper and safer.
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I live in upstate NY. We have to fill our 500 gallon propane every month and a half in the winter. That's pretty expensive. We're making the change to electric everything (boiler, hot water heater, stove) as we will make our money back in less than 2 years. Where we live and with what we use for gas the electric makes way more sense to me.
Same. Hudson Valley area. We've converted to electric everything. Heat pumps, water heater, stove, etc. We're planning on installing solar panels, and hopefully that will make us more energy efficient and independent.
Cost per BTU would be way cheaper with a wood boiler. 1 Cord of wood is about 200 bucks, with electric that BTU output will cost $934.80 at .11c per KW.
It sounds like you either have a large space or are not very well insulated. If it's the latter, I'd spend my $$ on getting better insulation and sealing all house penetrations - like caulking around windows, hose bibs, etc. Get triple paned windows next - they are normally only $100 more than double paned and are double the efficiency. I did this on my place and cut my building load by 2/3's.
Where I am, they are trying to push folks to electric over natural gas. Not sure which way to go - am even looking at solar as a possible booster to get ground water up from 45 degrees to 75 degrees. Then picking something to get the last 30 degrees.
@@petersamios5409 You're probably right. our house is 100+ years old. Insulating everything has been both expensive and a slow process as we have to rip out the old lath and plaster walls, insulate, then re-drywall everything. Some of the insulation is literally made up of newspaper haha.
I think you will regret this in the near future with electric costs
Electric water heaters are popular in Europe because they can run double the voltage we can in America.
A 220v line requires a thick and expensive cable to carry current, but if you have a higher voltage grid you don’t need big cables because the heater isn’t drawing huge current when it has voltage instead.
I've never seen a gas tankless that costs nearly that much. Mine have cost $1200 for two and $980 for my newest. No way it costs $3k+ to install. Flow rates also vary, since the rating is based on a 40° temp rise. 50° water to 130° lowers the gpm
Society has a large population of people with disposable income today, they are more educated in certain areas and way less in others but they don’t realize this. Since no one wants to work today used car salesman have moved into the plumbing market and educated idiots will pay their prices. There’s 3 rules in plumbing and it doesn’t take a genius to know them.
i have a 24KW electric unit. its spec say 4.68 GPM Flow rate, but my ground water is much warmer then we thought. So we have seen much higher flow rates and still keeping the temp up. its just used more power
Our experinces...While out of town a HVAC company charged me $2300 to replace a 40gall gravity draft NG HW tank at a rental, so I have been installing Stiebel Eltron electric units in all our upstate NY properties. Some are already 12 years old.
In 2009 I replaced our 80gall NG HW tank with a cheap NG on-demand jaccuzzi I got at Lowes for $150. It was return & had everything with it. My NG bill dropped $1600 the following year & that old system is still running. But at the time we had 5 teenage showers going every morning with 2 of them teenage girls so that 80gall HW tank would run out of HW fast.
My Lakehouse neighbor paid $3200 to replace his propane HW tank, has to drain & winterize every year, pay for the propane tank rental & refill & his propane fce is never used. That same year 2015 I installed a $699 Stiebel Eltron in our ALL ELECTRIC lakehouse & our highest electric bill since was $68 (summer 2024) with our mini split a/c etc also running constantly.
4 years ago I installed a Stiebel Eltron ($799) in our Scottsdale vacation home & the NG bill dropped from $145 to $16/month. Our old 50gall HW tank cooked HW constantly even when the garage was 110deg F. Our cooktop & BBQ are now the only systems using NG & the NG fces have NEVER been used.
5 years ago I installed an $899 AO Smith 166kBTU NG HW system in our 7 unit apt bldg. It replaced the 75gall NG HW tank that constantly ran out of HW & after 5-6 years they all leaked.The NG billing dropped signifcantly & with 17-20 taking showers no-one has complained about no HW. That same year my BIL replaced two 75gall NG HW tanks with a NG Navien system ($7200) & he had call backs for several months after for board issues & still waits minutes for HW to arrive at the faucetts.
Thanks for sharing your valuable experience
I’d hate to have a tankless water heater installed outside with all that copper out in California 😂
Your estimated cost is way off
I live in a RV. Right now I have the stock gas/electric HWH. All I use my hot water for is showering. I do have a dishwasher but it has its own heating element. Would a electric HWH be enough for me? And how long can you shower with an electric on demand HWH?
Has anyone done the utility cost analysis of Tankless GAS vs ELECTRIC?
That's the only thing that matters
Too variable to make a blanket statement. Depends on how much $ per kwh, demand, temp rise, etc.
Are they good for boats
Of course plumbers prefer the gas tankless heater because they make more money with installation and maintenance. 😂
It is true that gas tankless is better than electric. electric tankless won’t even pass title 24
If you have power outage and have a standby generator. The generator may have a hard time getting the electric hot water heater; water hot. Something to consider.
Very clear information presented!
For outdoor installation, what is the sound each unit produces?
sounds like rocket at launch
I prefer electric. It's safer, cleaner for the environment, and requires less. Although it is for a 2 story house, there are only 2 - 3 of us, and we aren't excessive with the hot water.
What make .model do you have and recommend? We need it for shower and kitchen. Thanks
@@Tustian999 I don't have one yet because I couldn't get enough info in time, to make me comfortable enough to switch to tankless. I ended up just getting a better upgraded "traditional" one. But I was looking at ones from Stiebel Eltron and EcoSmart (because of the lifetime warranty). Although Rheem is a big manufacturer, for tankless water heaters, I saw too many negative reviews.
@@Silentgenius01 You mentioned two brand names of the water heaters... Are they tankless or conventional ones? Thank you.
@@sibiryak2004 Tankless
I cannot have electric tankless water heater because I live in California rural at constantly electrically outages. So, propane is wiser plus, using generator for the balancing heating and start up flame too.
Direct solar water heater is the best.
Can you install electric tankless water heater outdoors?
Keep in mind, most large volume electric tankless needs 2x100a breakers. If you have 100a entrance, you can't use one
You failed to mention the safety aspect. I'll take electric over gas any day to avoid gas leaks and fires/explosions.
risk adverse people should not bother even bother watching.
I am a plumber and if you want to install electric remember the capacity of gpm greatly diminish vs a gas .
I don’t doubt that electric will be the top water heaters in the future but right now the technology is not there
Quite informative.
very informative thanks
Nothing has been more relied on then a 40
Gallon gas
Anyone know what error code h103 is on a rheem tankless electric? Brand new no hot water through it and getting that code.
Did you google it and find your answer?
Every electric on demand I’ve seen is about 90 amps. So for the average 200 amp service half will be for one appliance, no thx.
No way it uses more than an electric range/oven 😂
they both have to be plugged in
Operating costs are too variable from place to place because of cost per kwh, ground water temp, temp setting, demand and flow rates. Electric is 100% efficient vs less than 100% for gas.
gas is always cheaper than electric
That nonstop background music is so freaking annoying. I cant comprehend what your saying. when you talk to your customers, do you have the music playing in the background?
Plumbers will always tell you gas tankless water heaters because they make a big profit in gas installation. Electric ⚡️ is the much cheaper and safer.
See I would think electric would cost more due to constant usage of electricity
@@Yeekieedepends on how well the home is insulated, local kwh costs, etc.
Electricity has become expensive AF in my country. I'm considering switching to gas
@@Yeekiee it is
I don't think hiring an electrician is cheaper than hiring a plumber. Plumbers know that natural gas is cheaper than electric to operate.
We have no gas, not an option.
eat some beans
Democrat run hellscapes are no where to expect to be years down the road.
Commiefornia!
if you cant say what the maintenance is, then why are you making a video.