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To avoid waiting for hot water and preventing the cold water sandwich, I have a tankless hot water heater that feeds a small (7 gal) electric water heater. There is marginal standby loss and because the water is already heated by the tankless, the cost to operate has actually been less than running a recirc pump. It's worked great, especially with 6 people taking showers in the morning. The setup is also used for in floor radiant heat - it's an open loop system and we haven't had any issues heating the house and taking showers, even when it's -10 out. An added advantage is the system is designed to pull heat out of the floors during the summer whenever we use hot water!
JB I kind of get what you're saying but can you give more specifics? I'm shopping for a new heater and like the sound of what you're saying. Thanks
@@bdyt Not sure what more specifics you're looking for... It's an open loop system with 2 zones. I use a Takagi water heater with 3 Armstrong pumps running the primary loop and secondaries. The hot water makeup runs through the radiant loops for a bunch of reasons and feeds a 7 gal electric water heater through a mixing valve. Radiantec has a bunch of examples of an open loop system that could answer your questions - my system is much different but the same in principle.
@@JB-nf8nk thanks for the reply. Will check it out
I thought about doing this myself, but I just realized I didn't care about waiting 30 seconds for hot water. Glad to hear my idea would have worked though :-)
Brilliant
I have a tankless water heater and I love it. It is true, you dont have instant hot water, but once you have hot water you have endless hot water. No more worrying about people using up all the hot water.
if the unit heats 3 gallons per minute, that's what you get... if the demand - even short-term - is more, something's gotta give...
@@patklemmensen1694 that's true, but you also scale to your normal use. The regeneration time you need in a tank also makes a big difference.
Most domestic tankless heaters are at least 6gpm. I have a big Navien, I have had a routine service once in 9 years, and it runs perfectly.
I did dual tankless (they have a cable that they talk to each other through so only 1 is used unless the second is needed) and I've never hit a high enough demand to turn on the second tankless. I guess at least I have an automatic backup if one dies. That said, I need to replace my whole home water pressure regulator as if you run more than a couple of showers at a time you run out of pressure, so if I get my pressure issue resolved it might be enough load to trigger the second. I believe mine are 9GPM.
@@lynbartram3491 you voided your warranty by not getting maintained yearly. Good job.
5 years ago went from electric hot water heater and oil boiler to gas tank less water heater for both. Went from 4200.00 to just under 1000.00 a year. Great saving but few hassles when it comes to hot water. But still very happy with it. Your video showed me some stuff I didn't know. We are on well water. Going to install filter. Thanks
I have had an electric tankless for 11 years now fed by well water and no filter. No problems.
Been reading that if you do run into a problem caused by hard water the manufacturer won't honor the warranty. You might want to check into that.
We installed a tankless unit about 3 years ago. For whatever ridiculous reason, some Texas municipalities allow the water heater to be put in the attic! When it came time to replace, we wanted tankless for the endless hot water but also did not want 40 gallons of water being a sitting time bomb in the attic. No regrets! We can use both showers and laundry at same time. There is a slight delay for hot water reaching taps but no more than the tank unit. Was recommended to have unit flushed once a years to remove scale and deposits since our water here in the Houston area is rock hard. All in all, the pros far outweighed the cons for our situation.
What gpm tankless do you have??
@@cassthompson3386 3.3GPM
Endless hot water? Only until the unit either fails or the electric power goes out.
I have a propane unit with built in recirculating pump. Built it into a new home about five years ago.
Also, my home is on a farm about 20 miles from the nearest big city, about a half hour drive.
The first three years were flawless. Everything about it was very nice. With the built in pump and appropriate house plumbing loop, hot water reached the faucets in a few seconds.
Then, it started throwing fault codes and shutting itself off. Tried calling the manufacturer’s authorized dealers. And discovered there are plenty of folks who can put one in and virtually no-one who knows how to fix one.
Finally got one guy to come out and the first thing he said was “never seen one of these before.” So, he wanted to descale it and we did. That was all he knew how to do. Of course that didn’t fix that it would still shutdown multiple times per day.
As an engineer I can attest that these things are very complex. Processors, pumps, fans, motorized valves, igniters, flame sensors, leak sensors, temperature sensors, power supplies, regulators, and more. It all has to play together or you get a cold shower.
So, I got on the phone to the manufacturer support. They didn’t seem too surprised when I explained they had no local technical support. After working through all the fault codes, they announced I needed a new recirc pump and sent one. Even though the old pump felt like it was running, I did the replacement and the unit started working properly.
I noticed on the new pump box a sticker with the words “new impeller”. So I took the original pump apart and found that all the blades had broken off the impeller disk. The motor would spin, but not move any water, causing a heat exchanger over temp and other related codes. Hopefully the new pump with the “new impeller” has a longer life.
At least it was back running.
15 month later, a different failure and I’m on the phone to the manufacturer again. More parts sent and its back running again. 5 more days living with cold water only.
So far, the list price of the parts installed adds up to about $500 that were covered under the 5 yr parts warrantee. But, when the warrantee expires I expect they’ll want cash for the next failure.
At that point, instead of further tankless investment I believe I’ll switch to a tank unit and take the tankless out back. Shooting on my property is legal here and I’m curious to see how the unit reacts to various firearms.
I never wanted to become a tankless technician and I believe it will be very satisfying to put the unit out of its misery. Maybe I’ll do a video about it.
The lesson learned: If you’re not in a major metropolitan area with the technical support needed to fix these things, go with something simpler and supportable.
I bought a unbranded China tankless propane water heater from eBay for a $140, It uses about $7 worth of propane a month and I take a shower every day. I have 3 tankless water heaters in my home. One for each bathroom and one for the kitchen. Each one runs off a 5 gallon barbecue tank. To me you can't beat it.
And how much does the recirculating pump cost to run with the instant system? Sounds like a very expensive system just to get a 20 second saving on waiting for hot water.
Recirculating pumps cost money because you're using the pipe (which is usually poorly-insulated) as a tank.
The alternative, which will save water and energy, is a point-of-use instant water heater, which can sit in a cabinet underneath the sink.
Point-of-use heaters are usually electric.
I had a tankless water heater the was made turn of the 20th Century. It was probably removed from the house it was in about the same time the Water Heater with a insulated storage tank was perfected. So they upgraded. Now 100 years later, tankless water heaters are the rage
Tankless water heaters are energy hogs. Longer showers will be a thing especially if you have children.
Also, a recirculating pump sounds like a great way to burn tons of energy for the relatively small privilege of instant hot water.
Which is better gas or electric tankless
i looked online and tankless water heaters are now around $150 to $300
Wow your price for a traditional water heater is wayyyy expensive. I just installed one for half that much.
Tankless is a nightmare
This video should come with a disclaimer
I Tried one & hated it! Water did not get hot enough for me at all. I went back to an electric hot water tank. The tankless sits in the attic..............
Don’t let this video scare you! While this info may be correct, there’s no beating a tankless water heater. Especially for large families. If anyone’s on the fence, don’t be. Tankless water heaters are Lifechangers. I have installed many of these and I’ve never had a single complaint. Everyone loves them. While it may not be instant hot water it is continuous hot water for as long as you need it. I have a family of five and we used to get mad at each other for running out all the hot water. That conversation ended 10 years ago when we installed our tankless. While there may be a little maintenance, it’s very minimal.
Yes absolutely, I would never install a tank system ever again, don't know why they sell them
and this is the biggest factor for going tankless... a never ending supply of hotwater, so 3, 4, 5 showers in a row NO PROBLEM!
Even going back for servicing units, I've never heard a single complaint. Tankless is well worth the extra couple hundred bucks depending on the wh, cheaper to do tankless now than a direct vent .
I'm agree with you. I like a more tankless heater, but only if I can change water temperature outside of the heater
Yep, thats the best reason, never run out of hot water. Just filling up the Jacuzzi tub in our bath took all the hot water for just one person.
How did they get the price of tank water heater to $2000? I can get someone to install it for $150.
“Someone” or a licensed plumber that has to pull permits and are insured?
I think the idea that you get instant hot water from a tankless got started because awhile back tankless heaters were typically under counter units at the point of use, so they did provide hot water quicker than a whole house unit.
Exactly correct.......
Use a recirculating valve or a buy a tankless that has one built-in. You can most certainly have instant hot water if you install the correct equipment.
@@Balticblue93 I chose not to get the recirculating feature on my Navien heater. I personally just don't see it as an issue. My home is relatively small so maybe it's not as noticeable to me. But I would rather let the water that's been sitting in the lines evacuate before washing or drinking anyway.
@@accidental_relevance That is fair, my first house did not have a recirculating valve and it didn't bother me either. It took exactly 59 seconds to have FULL temp water in the farthest faucet. But once I tried the recirculation valve at a friends house, I immediately installed one. I think my next system will for sure be a Navien instead of a Rinnai or Rheem (even though I love both and have owned both, currently a Rinnai). I can understand your concern about the water, but remember it is being recirculating, so it is just sitting there. I am not talking you into it, just saying. But I also have mostly PEX, a full home house filter, a scale filter and water softener. Plus my LG refrigerator has a filter, so my drinking water is nearly perfect based on the two tests I have had done. Nice talking to you!
This is what isn't mentioned. Some people do install both points of access and tankless for instant hot water that is endless until you run out of propane. There are large electric on demand water heaters that are very good as well.
Went with tankless on my recent house I built. Didn't concern myself too much with the additional cost for install. I did it because I have a family of 5 and it was impossible for all of us to have a hot shower at night. In my opinion it was the best choice I made
This is a perfect example of why tankless is a great investment. Thank you for sharing this great information. This will certainly help people like yourself make a better decision.
Any issues or things you'd done differently?
@@shanew7361 none at all. I've had it for 7 years now and wouldn't change a thing
2 story or 1floor?
@@franklinmobley25 2 story. 2 full baths downstairs and 1 upstairs
These guys just don’t like tankless. Tankless is way more efficient and if cared for and properly maintenances it will last an extra 10 years of life
Fiirst, thank you guys for something besides sales BS. I retired from the plumbing trade at the end of '19 after forty-six years in the trade in NC. Thirty-two of those years I owned my residential/commercial plumbing, water/sewer utilities company. Every word you said is accurate. Like anything, there are people that love and swear by their tankless heater. There are also those that buy a pre-owned house and have the tankless removed and a tank type installed. For what it is worth, when customers would ask my opinion regarding the two designs I have told every one of them that if someone gave me three tankless heaters for personal use, I would still pay for a tank type heater. Just one plumber's opinion. 🤔🇺🇲
Is there an electric tank less water heater?🤷♀️
Go TANKLESS! I’ve had one for 12 years, no problems, just endless hot water and no expense when not running! Those big tanks are a flood waiting to happen, I’ve seen it and those I know have gone TANKLESS and love em!
My Bradford White 50-gallon came with the house that I purchased in Dec93, believe it or not, I didn't know its brand until I found it got leaking problem recently (it got safety drain pan so no damaged) .
I live in a 1 bedroom condo - replaced a failed water heater with a rheem tankless - 169.00 a 110 no less so that the old water heater electric would work (the wire size used on old water tank was enough for 110 v and amp requirements but not for 220 v on a larger tankless). I also live in florida so didnt need a giant rise and I would never change its been running flawlessly for over 7 years now, my power bill was massively less due to the old water heater being in such bad shape. these guys are making assumptions that are pretty broad. do the math and check you needs. but i wont have another tank heater if i can help it.
I had a tankless installed at my old house in 2017 for about $1400 (even though it had to be completely relocated from where the old one was). Also, they left out the part where they're supposed to last about 25 years vs 6 years for a tank water heater. Me thinks this is clickbait bullshit.
Our tankless has been a nightmare 😢
@@patriciacarranza4550 would care to elaborate?
Tankless outside. I do not care about delay or operating cost. My family of five now never run out of hot water. Tank heater flooded my downstairs when it prematurely ruptured. I also gained the space from the hot water heater closet to add to my master suite. Win-Win!!
Lier..cold water at my sink and tub wastes over 10 gallons a day for shower only..forget taking a tub..unless a very short distance and a recirculating pump added.. it wastes a hell of a lot of water... they are crap...I want my tanked back..I miss tubbing
@@petero2693 *liar
also who the hell calls it tubbing?!
@@petero2693 Tubbing?
@@petero2693 You've either got a bad heater or it's installed wrong, we've been using tankless water heaters in the UK since the 70s, never had a an issue except during a power outage, besides instead of calling some one a lier or LIAR just because they've got different results than you how about asking what brand they are using, or whether it's gas or electric, do they use a whole house or point of contact, how far from the first outlet is the heater, all things that can effect the efficiency of any heating system.
“Mom where’s dad?”
“Oh, he’s tubbing right now honey “
We built our house about 11 years ago. We put in a tankless water heater at the time. It's been great. We have 3 bathrooms and all can use the shower at the same time. I've done the required maintenance and have soft water, both important. We had tank heaters before and like this so much better.
What gpm tankless did you get??
Just buy a regular gas/electric water heater and install it yourself, you'll be way ahead of all this fancy jazz, but thanks cool video
We've had a Rinai in our home for 12 years and will never go back to a 'tanked' water heater! Have to call BS on the additional time it takes for hot water to get to faucets. Hot water exits the unit immediately after it senses water flow. We can also take back to back showers, and for as long as we wish, without worry of running out of hot water.
I agree. We have a Rinai as well for about as long as you've had. Never done any maintenance on it, either. Heck, this is the first time I've heard that it's even possible! Put a water softener in about five years ago, but never had a problem with the tankless. Running the gas line can be prohibitively expensive, though. Fortunately, we only needed a few feet extra.
I put in a new electric-tankless water heater it cost $549. It Takes care of my entire house 2 kitchens 3 bathrooms it dropped my electric bill by $30 per month over a tank type water heater I have had it for about 13 years with no problems and we run well water through it with no filters and I get hot water at my tap faster than I ever did with my tank type
I smell infomercial for tank water heaters.
We switched from tank to tankless 10 years ago and have been saving a lot of money. Moreover, tankless saves a lot of space also. As for the delay, there's no problem since our bathroom is pretty close to the water heater.
Use a recirculating valve or a buy a tankless that has one built-in. You can most certainly have instant hot water if you install the correct equipment. Problem solved!
@@owenblake90 My water in my neighborhood has their own aquifer. Why do you ask? I am not sure what point you are trying to make. My water is hard as hell, I will look up the test results, plus iron and sediment are so high in like a week it turns the filter this crazy red color. So I have a three filter whole house filtration system with a de-scaler before it goes into the water softener and then into the tankless water heater. My first tankless that I owned at a previous house was an awesome model Rheem that I installed myself with filtration and softener and I used a recirculating valve at the bathroom in my master bathroom. The next house, I put the same filtration in and put in a Rinnai Tankless system that has a recirculation valve buiilt-in. But the delay does not really bother me as I can wait the 60 seconds it takes to get to full temperature at the sink or shower. I just did it for my wife and family since it was included but I can disable it.
I am not sure what you mean by how many times was it flushed? And the amount of natural gas used to heat the water is barely even quantifiable on the bill. Either way, I have it set to manually fire the burner before the water is turned on. I am not sure what calculator you are using, but this is a high efficiency system on the new one and it barely uses any natural gas at all. Hell, my gas fireplace uses more. And it isn't all about saving energy or power because I do not care actually. I care about having endless filtered and soft water for my wife and family, plus clothes get cleaner and no white scale or mildew. The $5 bucks that is use to circulate early in the morning is tiny compared to running an 80 gallon hybrid tank for a whole family that some companies have tried to sell me.
@@Balticblue93 recirculating valve - I am sure eats away at those savings big time keeping your hot water lines filled with 120 water unless it is on a timer. Again more upfront costs
@@condor5635 at 3 bucks per 1000 gallons, I doubt i will be filing bankruptcy anytime soon because of my recirc valve. And we have two programs, one that has it ready in the morning and one by the manual button, if it is outside those hours. It also hooked to my phone by WiFi and knows if we are home. What has you so worried about what is going on in my house anyways?
@@Balticblue93 - happy you have it set up nicely the way you like it
We love our tankless water heater, I suffer from migraine headaches and most times I stand under the hot water and let it beat my neck and my head, back to front for as long as I could with a tank heater and would run it out of hot water, but with the tankless heater I'll stay under the hot water until most if not all the pain leaves. For me the tankless is a God send.
you electric bill will be over the roof then
@@MrBemnet1 natural gas. The smaller electric ones that are installed directly into bathrooms is more a European thing, or at your barber shop.
@@bobnothing4921 I see. but still the cost will be high .
@@MrBemnet1 It's really not. My entire families usage for an entire month costs me around $9, and we're a family of 6.
@@bobnothing4921 - Are you trying to kid us all? Do you have an additional source of power beside the grid?
This video didn’t age well when it comes to pricing. The price gap has shrunk drastically over the past year. Every tank manufacturer has had about 4 price increases this year ~35% spike
@Lungho there are companies that gouge out there for sure, but $2k installed is not gouging. My guess is you have no idea what running a business and having overhead is all about.
@@trailheadmedia5578there’s also tons of videos where install techs simply estimate what they think a customer can afford, and quote outlandish install prices based on that.
See a couple BMWs in the driveway? Install cost goes up by $1000 for no reason other than that.
Couldn’t disagree more. My tankless water heater works like a charm, was not expensive to install and saves much more than they indicated. I’ve had it fo 10 years and yes, I have to perform the simple maintenance as they described but anybody can do it. And by the way, I’m a retired home builder and have installed many many tankless water heaters.
Like it states depending on family size. Tankless water heaters are good for a small family with one kitchen and 1 and a half bathroom more than that it's not cost effective. I can put up a tank water heater for about 1000 every 10 years and still be bellow the tankless price at the end of 50 years. Do your math. Look at all the facts. Look at the installation cost. Look at maintenance cost Tank water heater have none they are so inexpensive that it breaks I put in a new one myself can you do that with tankless? I have a few friends with tankless for about 5 years and now are going back to tanks I wonder why...... but not everyone has the same opinion, and not the same size house so it might be good for a older couple with no kids in the house or a summer/vacation home used a few months out of the year.
@@jorgemat8080 you can put in a tankless yourself, and tankless nowadays cost no more then a tanked. Get the right size for your family and can use many different appliances and showers at once. I paid $350 for a tankless from Menards 6 years ago. Can run shower, dishwasher and laundry at the same time. Uses only about 5 therms a month in gas or less.
All I could think watching this video was they sound like farriers warning about how those newfangled automobile things aren’t as slick as you think and horseshoes are cheap and reliable
I installed an electric tankless water heater I bought off Amazon for about 500 bucks...love it! Sure you have to wait a minute or so for hot water but it's not long at all. Plus I can run 2 showers, sinks, and whatever n never run out of hot water 🤷♂️ tankless is definitely the way to go
@@jorgemat8080 anyone taking advice from your comment is either a Biden supporter or brain dead. Which actually they both correlate. You have zero real world experience owning a tank less system and your ignorant points about costs and performance of the systems prove that. Every comment in this video proves these two idiots in this video wrong with just about every point they tried to make. Tank and tankless both cost the same for purchasing the units and large families use them without issues. Go be a keyboard warrior somewhere else where uneducated people like yourself will fall for it
I’m not sure why you are so negative about the tankless heaters. It’s the way to go for large families, you need to up date this video and show the Laing pump to cure the problem pipe runs. Also a water softener is the way to go, the conditioner cartridge is a water of money.
I will definitely not opt for a tankless geyser. My wife gets out from the shower only after there is no more hot water. If we had a tankless gyser, she would spend an hour in the shower!
I saw a tankless in Belgium it was in the bathroom by the shower that’s instant hot when showering and I cooked breakfast while showering very great
Europeans seem not to mind having a polished (mechanical-looking) box on the wall near the kitchen and/or bathroom. It certainly makes things more efficient and "instant!"
I see you made some hard boiled eggs 🥚 👀
Replaced my tank water heater last year. 30 minutes and I took a crap halfway through (washed my hands after, too). Who are these guys charging $600 for a $20 job? Do the math, $1200 an hour. Bet they charge a service fee on top. Plumbers.
You need new gas line silly. .or didnt you read installation info...
They didn't say replace a tank less water they said going from water to a tank less
@@larata9 why do you need a new gas line and even id you did it doesnt take that long to run one from the existing line
@@handyman7748 Tankless heaters consume gas at a much faster rate, although it’s for a shorter amount of time, only while you’re using the water. It’s pretty likely you’ll need a larger diameter gas pipe going to it.
I recommend against the recirculating pump. For a tankless water heater that requires the heater function to work almost full time completely eliminating the energy savings of the hot water on demand provided by the tankless water heater. If you want instant hot water, plan for an under counter heater. Much cheaper.
You are correct there. I was actually thinking the same thing. They made a bit of a fail on saying that. Lol
Damn good point, I thought that recirculating pump was a good idea until you pointed that out. Thanks !.
The recirc pumps have timers on them so you can set it to run only during peak times when you have the need for instant hot water keeping it from running all the time and putting unnecessary wear and tear on the tankless unit. Does hurt your overall savings but not that much.
@@nickgafa8527 just a hint on this thing you're saying and why it doesn't make sense. When the water is flowing the burner is on until the safety kicks in and shuts the burner off. At that point the water is hot enough to burn you. To restart the burner the water flow has to stop. All timers have a minimum number of minutes between events but you would only need about 1 minute of run time for the circulation pump per 10 minutes off time roughly. I believe the time minimum on pumps is 10 minutes. That is why a circulation pump isn't a good thing. On a regular water heater the water will never get above what you set it for on the tank. Now all this depends on the brand and model tankless setup you have but for the most part it's the way it goes.
I agree, with a recirculating pump the water in the pipes is being reheated regularly, effectively making your pipes into hot water storage, ie you have turned your pipes into a hot water tank! And with the volume vs surface area of the pipes compared to a tank I expect it would be quite inefficient to keep water in pipes warm.
I bought a house with a tankless heater and it seemed all I ever did was watch cold water pour down the drain for minutes waiting for the water to get hot. If I turned the tap off for a minute and then back on again....I had to watch more water go down the drain while waiting to get hot water....again! So there's more than energy savings to consider.....its a huge waster of water! I now have a tank type heater and I no longer waste water and the tankless acts as a standby if there are any problems....none so far however.
I was just wondering how much water people waste, as well, because they claim an "endless supply of hot water," once the thing kicks in, which translates to staying in the shower longer, etc. 🤔
I love my tankless water heater. It does take a little longer to get hot water, but it literally never runs out. It takes up practically 0 space, is stupid easy to install by yourself. I paid $1000 dollars for my rinnai, the comparable tank was $700. I did an interior install so I used the existing ducting and gas line.
I love it.
It is rare that the existing gas line and vent is sufficient for a tankless. Most standard natural gas water heaters 35 to 45 thousand BTUH. A tankless heater may be rated 180 thousand BTUH and requires a larger gas supply line. Some models also require special venting. You were lucky you could use the existing setup.
Can you link the one you went with? Also, how many gallons did your previous tank hold? I’m trying to find something equivalent to replace my 40 gal tank for a 1900sq ft home. Any recommendations? Thanks!
It is unbelievable with all the haters posting on here. There is no magic to install a tankless water heater as long as you follow code and some common sense. The math is actually quite simple and the home owners can pull their own permits around this area. Condensing units have a few extra items. I still prefer the concentric models that are mid efficiency. But I also install a recirculating valve, scale filtration system and a water softener. Rinnai or Rheem are the most popular in these parts. You can easily buy them online and not have to pay insane markup.
@@vwspicer There's no way on God's green earth he didn't have to change something on the supply and vent side of things. For starters, a gas powered tankless that uses over 110,000 BTU will need a 3/4 supply line and also use a 5 inch vent - either atmospheric or powered. No residential water heater I know of needs these things. They all use a 1/2 supply and a 3 inch vent line. Sorry, @iangreenlee2330, but I call BS.
I loved my tankless. We since moved to another house with an old water heater and it runs out of hot water daily. I never ran out of hot water with the tankless. I definitely miss it!
If you still have this old water heater, it more than likely needs a new "dip Tube", that is the tube that takes the cold water towards the bottom of the water heater tank to heat it. When that tube fails, that cold water mixes with the hot water at the top of the tank, when it should be at the bottom of the tank, that is more than likely why you run out of hot water, it has nothing to do with tank or tankless.
@@michaelwright1602 - I ran into that problem several years ago, I finally figured it out when my faucet screens kept getting clogged with plastic.
@michaelwright I appreciate the info! I should have tried that before replacing it! Dang it!
I have an electric tankless titan brand. Takes it a min to get the water to the fixture but when its hot your not running out. I love it.
And if you tub its ice cold water 15 minutes later..
@@petero2693 7 gallon/min. Can run a tub all day long. Run both showers at the same time.
*you’re
@@petero2693 So water that was heated by a tankless loses it's heat faster than water that was heated by a tank??
@@thepianist7084 , it seems like it cools down in the pipes faster at least. Just got a tankless & it seems to cool faster between uses and takes almost twice as long for hot water to arrive. Great for showers but I think I miss my tank for washing dishes. I don't know, at least in our house it was not a 1 for 1 trade off like I thought. I liked my 65g tank better since we have small family & never ran out of hot water to begin with but because of regulation change or something we could only replace with 50g which would make jacuzzi tub pointless. If the bills are lower, I will like it better.
went tankless a few years ago and will never go back to a h.w. tank again
I hate having to wait for my tankless, it sucks. waiting 15 to 60 seconds for hot water sucks ass. you guys might not care.. but I do. I turned my tankless off, and reinstalled a tank with solar water from the roof. best thing I ever did. having a tank and a tankless gas backup is best, instant hot water, and endless hot water.
Don’t think. Just go TANKLESS
I was a certified HVAC tech/installer.
These guys are fear mongering & speculating.
I bought a new Dunkirk tankless heater last year to replace an older tankless heater.
My 1st months gas saving was $300.
We are a family of 4 with 2 dogs.
We have had 0 problems with a tankless heater.
You are paying to reheat water, cycle after cycle.
Thats expensive and dumb.
Thats why tankless systems were made.
On demand hot water.
Pay for what you use/heat, when you need/want it.
Do not pay to heat your water 15 times before you turn the water on to use it.
These guys are clowns telling you to go old school.
Buy a new Dunkirk, pay for someone who KNOWS how to install it and sit back.....your bank account will thank you later.
I won't have anything but a tankless water heater. Remember tanked water heaters are engineered to only develop a leak when you are out of town.
That for sure is one of the cons!
Yeah bc tankless never leak 🤦🏼♂️
That is true. Mine started leaking just when I was leaving to play golf. It always happens that way.
@@aron6998 Not quite true. My 1985 Thermar tankless developed a small leak in the heat exchanger when it was 33 years old. Just a wet spot on basement floor the size of a dinner plate but couldn't repair it and company had gone out of business. Navien here we come.
@@craigerickson1910 I was being facetious because the main comment implied tankless doesn’t leak like a tank heater....see the emoji with the hand on the face?
Your video leaves the impression that you think that installing a tankless water heater is not a good idea. A tankless is not for everyone. There are disadvantages over a tank type as you point out, but there are also advantages. A more balanced analysis would have been more helpful. What I like about my high efficiency Rinnai tankless is:
1) The cost of operation is much lower for our household of just two people
2) It takes up much less space in my small garage
3) It doesn't need to be turned off and drained when we leave home for months, and then relighted on return
4) It has a service life twice that of a typical tank heater (if flushed with vinegar yearly)
5) It's very quiet
You can use the pumps to circulate water to keep pipes hot but it costs a lot more in utilities than you might think. Hot water pipes aren't insulated and the added costs of running a pump. Just locate tank/tanks closer to the demand.
Just what I needed to hear. I think I'll stick with a traditional tank.
I have the new Dunkirk tankless water tank.
Its great !
Instant hot water, we never hear it and its located just off of our kitchen.
We have baseboard heat also.
Not 1 problem & we will not go back to a full tank system again.
Electric bill dropped by just over $300 a month.
Tankless Bosch was a disaster for me in rural Montana. First problem was that I needed to upsize my flue a lot to meet installation specs. That let in lots of cold air in subzero temps which eventually froze the innards and caused a huge leak. Luckily it happened just as we got home from skiing and I was able to save the house. We also found that these were never really made for really cold well water. It just takes too long to heat vs some southern California installation. It would heat it up, but it took forever to get the hot water started at the bathtub level. This also caused a huge added load of cold water into our septic system. Good for city slickers in warm climates with tepid water systems. Not good for us.I was SO happy to get rid of the thing and go back to a conventional water heater.
I live in rural PA with cold winters, and my tankless works just fine. Much better than the tank heater in fact.
@@michaelburbank2276 Well if you want another one it’s out under a tree in my yard waiting to go to the recyclers. You can come pick it up if you’re in the Bitterroot. It’s a Bosch. The existing plumbing lines where it was installed were less than optimally routed. That caused at least some of the large delay I discovered and fixed that in a recent remodel. But I bought two electrics without even considering a tankless. There were also other issues to consider in our home with drafting and the creation of negative pressures caused by the huge flu required for the propane flames and how they reacted with our wood stoves. Never again for me. Hope you do better.
We have both systems and we are on a well with a whole house generator. Our tank unit is a A.O. Smith (75 gallon ) and we have two Noritz tankless. Both systems have served us well but our water is highly processed. The conventional tank is used in our 4,500 square-foot home and the two tankless units are used in our detached 2,500 sf garage with guest quarters. One tankless is used for potable water and the other is used for a radiant heated floor with a glycol mix on a closed loop system. Both system are supplied from a 600 gallon whole house reverse osmosis system along with a Kinetico softeners, iron tanks to remove iron, calcite tank to manage PH along with a multi-stage filtration system, and chlorinator. Hands down I prefer the A.O. Smith! First and foremost, water quality is everything to a tankless water heater. The tankless are fine but are slow to heat. There is more maintenance with a tankless and they are far more costly to repair and/or replace. Our A.O. Smith is 16 years old and it still going strong, likely due to the reverse osmosis and having a neutral pH. Tankless water heaters are far less forgiving on water quality and can be temperamental if you don't have clean regulated voltage. Power surges can wreak havoc on them. Loose power, no hot water. Warranties mean very little and you will jump through many hoops in trying to make a claim. They definitely have their place and they work well in our situation. One last thing, tankless water heaters can leak as well. Hope it helps.
With the tankless heater with the recirculation pump wouldn't that cause the heater to continuously run?
I would like to know that too, I suspect those don't run constantly, maybe they kick in when you turn on the water to get it there quicker. IMHO there should be a button near each faucet that would make it run for 30 seconds, but I doubt that is the case.
Replaced a gas-fired tank heater with a Bosch tankless for our small home and we love it. Brand new in the box, I found it on craigs list for $750; another $40 to install myself. Absolutely love it in our two-person home. We use about 60 gallons of propane per year to heat our water and run our stove/oven. I would never go back to a tank heater again.
In 2021 replaced my 50 gal tank with recirc to a Navien Tankless with built in recirc. Been very happy with it. There was not too much involved in the switch over. Already had a water softener which is recommended with a tankless system. Navien is a premium product so expect to pay a little more for quality and reliability.
Navien's are trash. Look for the oily residue and leaking from the heat exchanger.
I've installed over 500 Rinnia tankless units.... Once installed homeowners would never go back
Power outage
@@zdwade small battery pack can run it for up to 6hrs..... That's a lot of hot water.
500 and never go back? Sounds like horse shit.
@@andriyshapovalov8886 done as many as 9 in one week. Been installing them since 1998. You do the math ?
@@jasonpatterson947 so, you decide to reply while ignoring the question. I see.
My experience with tankless in Mexico was not good. I had hard water and it caused a lot of problems with the tankless system. I also have a hybrid system with rapid heating and a small tank, it also develops mineral deposits fast because of the rapid intense heating. I prefer old fashioned tank water heaters, less cost and maintenance imho.
If these guys both came over at the same time wearing that outfit I think I’d freak out and just run away.
See ya! 😃😃
Not me. Come on over, guys. Ready for a spit roast. 😍😁
The LAST thing you ever want in your home is a tankless water heater. We got ours because at the time there were ridiculous incentives from the government. We wound up paying very little for it. Now...here is the deal. I had to personally descale that thing at least twice a year, and that was max. To do so I had to purchase a fairly expensive pump and gallons of CLR which isn't cheap! Hook everything up and let it run for awhile. Left one of those valves they mention in the vid cracked which sent CLR through the whole system and it was MONTHS getting rid of that awful taste in the water. (Of course if you are independently and reliably wealthy you can pay a plumber to clean the thing. Stand around for hours, his money meter running the whole time.)
And...guess what? Those expensive submersible water pumps aren't made to run CLR. You won't get much life out of the things.Then...on top of all of that the lime that would normally drop to the bottom of a conventional tank flakes and shoots through your system ending up in your faucet filters, shower heads, and worst, in your washer strainer filter. You don't want to have to break *that* connection very often.
Even better the darn tankless would 'cycle'. It would NOT maintain a perfect temp. It would cut on and off sending alternate hot and cold water to the darn shower. Bad. Real bad.
So no...never ever go tankless. We finally weedpatched that gas hoggy thing and went back to good old inside tank electric. It was like getting our life back. I say this with the certainty of experience: Be tempted not.
You have bad water to start with is your problem a filtration system of filters isn't that expensive bet your toilets and sink are scaled up also along with your pipes
@@lutomson3496 Got lime by the bucketloads for sure. I guess in selected spots water has no lime or iron or other appreciable minerals. In these cases I still wouldn't have a tankless for all the other reasons people mention. It's a technology that isn't there yet. As I mentioned when that thing finally played out we felt like a burden had been lifted.
I agree with them. We bought an electric all stainless Whirlpool 5500 watts water heater and our electric is cheap and we don’t run out of water and only the computer wore out after 12 years and it was under warranty so we only paid a plumber 65 dollars to install the new computer. The cost of our 60 gallon was 380 dollars in 07. How are we losing? We aren’t! We would have paid out 2500 back in 07 or 08 for a tankless. We didn’t. People are so stupid today or gullible. You hear what I said. If you try to install a good tankless water heater for a family of four or six people and most people don’t even have children today other than one or two and then they think they’ve got to have everything you know like a bath or two each day which is stupid and ridiculous. But anyway, if you buy a tankless that will take care of six people today it will cost you over $3500. Now I can go out and buy the same time water heater that I did back when our house was new and I can get that installed for about $700 today so how am I losing money and our power bill is cheap
We know this because when there is no air conditioning, running nor heat in the later spring or mid to late or fall in our area, the power bill runs just a little over $100 and we have everything electric in the house including the stove I am correct.
Tankless water heater’s only about $100 more at Lowe’s. I have a gas tankless heater on the outside of my house. I have a slab foundation, so not sure why you would need a crawl space. Estimated life expectancy on mine is 30 years, twice as long as the average standard tank water heater. I’ve never had a problem with mine in the 10 years I’ve had it.
Do you remember what brand unit it is?
The primary reason I went with a tankless water heater was space (and ability to mount on a wall) but found that nearly unlimited hot water was great (ie shower a washing at the same time) saving is third on the list. Some tankless heaters have 20 year warranty
On the heat exchanger only. The Industry standard is typically 15 as long as you are maintaining yearly. If you have missed a year your warranty is gone.
This is true but the reality is that family of 4 never really needs more than a 50 gallon tank.
@@Clesarie my family of four needs more than 50 gallons I ha e a wife and 2 little girls that love their showers hot and long.
@@damiendoisher7812 gas heaters have heat exchangers. Electric heaters have coupled coils that can be replaced.
@@brandonhvacants2217 What matters in sizing a water heater it's delivery of heated water per hour. 50 gal delivered 12.5 gal at a time simultaneously to 4 people is different from 50 gal delivered sequentially.
Consumers watching this heard a hot water tank is $600 at Lowe’s, I’ll just go get it myself
Right. This what I found, $550-600 at Lowe's. If you can do the install work and dispose of the existing tank, then that is cheapest way to go. That's true even if you have to buy another one every 8 years or so. They wanted to charge me $720 for installation. I questioned it, but they said it is the standard charge for everybody.
@@georgesealy4706 you pay for all the knowledge, school , and tools they have to get to be a solid plumber. Similar to a doctor, lawyer, mechanic
@@ryanfrederick5393 That's fine, and I respect that. I brought in an excellent plumber to install the tankless. The work has to be done well, and it was a new situation. The thing is I thought $720 was a little high given that it was a replacement job. The tank was sitting in my garage with easy access and all the wiring was in place. I even had it drained. It seemed as though it should take about 2 hours at most.
Tankless hands down is a much better product...Their is a huge difference between a gas hot water and an electric... Electric not much saving but gas huge savings. These guys are getting paid off to talk nonsense. I've had both for years and hands down my tankless has been lower maintenance and zero issues. As far as maintenance extremely easy especially on a Navien. I I would not trade my tankless nor would any of my neighbors that have converted to tankless go back to a Tank. That's old technology for old plumbers that didn't get proper education or training and control voltage and exchangers.
I had a tankless for years. Every year giving problems. Water stop heating for no reason and I changed for another tankless that never worked in the first place despite I have Water pressure and electricity going normal 240v. I will try the tank one. But big frustration with American system. I would gladly have electric shower with resistance. In Brasil I had and when stop just replace the resistance in one minute and done
I had a tankless gas water heater... (on demand)... it was great. You could take a shower all day if you wanted to.
I wish I could go to yhe bathroom vanity sink , turn on the tap and get warm water. That is why I think abput an under sink water heater. Not to save money.
If you install two tank style water heaters, side by side, you get unlimited hot water. Tank one takes cold water and warms it, and tank two takes the warm water and heats it. The only issue is that it takes twice the space but its a great solution if you want unlimited hot water. My bill stayed about the same.
I’ve seen dual-unit tank heater systems plumbed both ways. In a house across the street from where I grew up, they have a pair connected sequentially like you describe. In my current apartment, they just have a pair of heaters plumbed in parallel to supply the whole 16-unit building. They’re just (commercial line) 50-gallon tanks with 40,000 BTU/hr input, which is IMO too small for the task. Still, that pair of heaters doesn’t do too bad a job. There are YT videos about the pros/cons of each approach.
They should be balanced, the 2nd heater is hardly doing anything, that is the wrong way to install 2 water heaters.inspectors in my area will not pass
Our architect planned our new house to include a water softener and a tankless water heater. But with just two retirees in the house you have me thinking about ROI for tankless given the difference in cost and installation. I'm definitely going to have a lengthy discussion about this with our builder before we go ahead with it. The water softener is a go in any case, but I'm thinking it will lengthen the life of a standard tanked water heater as well.
You just need to keep the anode rod replaced regularly. Softened water is great but it is corrosive due to the salt. It will consume an anode quicker than hard water. My last tank died in 10 years die to failed anode...i didn't know. But I do now and have a powered anode now.
You will never ever never regret having a tankless 37 years in the trade have had my Baxi combo boiler 20 years and never had any issues....well maybe one ..... ..:):)
but its just more then cost it Convenience as well as space .....A well installed boiler with filters whole house as it should be will out last any water tank those boys have 30 years combined I have 37 years ....
Ive put in hundreds of these and yes there can be issues as with any . Ive replaced more tanks then the on demand boilers ....
Do not let one appion sway you just look at the comments
Just make sure you flush your tankless unit once a year, if your warranty calls for it!!!! Your heat exchanger will not be covered if you don't do it annually....
You guys have to realize, these people have been installing "Tanked" water heaters for 30 years. They do not like change. Therefore, new is bad. Tankless heaters take the same amount of time to reach your faucet as tanked. There is no benefits to a tanked heater, other than that's what you already have. These two guys are trying to sway your opinion based on lies
So much for being home experts. Big time wrong on this one. They need to go back to calling people up and telling them their car warranty is almost up.
What is wrong with you? If you don’t like these guys, don’t watch their channel. You sound like a terrible person. Get another hobby.
hahaha that's pretty epic.
Install a water softener helps. Can install probably 3 water heaters over 30 years for the cost of 1 tankless water heater. Water incoming temp will skew energy ratings like in the northeast. Also very expensive to repair tankless and get the parts because most suppliers don't stock. Many plumbers are not versed in the repair department of tankless. Home owners don't want to put money into maintenance, they are there own worst enemy.
If you can replace 3 power vented water heaters for the same price as one tankless you’re doing something wrong.
This was pretty biased. Tankless is still better. These guys made it sound like it wasn’t a good investment lol
if you're a couple of adults, no kids, no long showers, no jetted tub, and no need for large volumes of hot water, you might be okay with a tankless - BUT your hot-water needs can't exceed the unit's output (so, no starting a load of laundry & hitting the shower)... if your water has ANY minerals on it, and you don't have a softener in your home, save your money and get a tanked unit, they're not quite as finicky on hard water.
In the long run tankless will likely cost you considerably more to install, operate and maintain.
Had my tankless for over 10 years. Only had to clean the igniter once. It is the size of a suit case. If it goes bad now, i can easily replace it.
So you put a tiny unit like a bosh under the sink.. instant warm water then the main unit sends it prewarmed.. now you got hot water... simple.. works in my rv as well.. pulling 30 degree water yo start with takes a little extra oomph... no matter how good the system
$2000 dollars to change a hwt?!? You guys must be billing out $600 an hour.
That's what I thought. Even when I have my handyman do a swap instead of doing it myself it isn't but a couple hundred dollars on top of materials. Unless you have to replace subflooring and stuff it is a couple hours at most.
I Worked for a large popular drain company with rooter in the name. Cheapest we could do a water heater replacement is like 1500$. It’s not just parts but a markup on the parts too. So a 600$ tank is now 800$ and that’s just your tank. Throw in a couple new valves and small parts and mark them up and boom 900$ Now figure in the time is takes for me to go get your parts, driving a licensed company vehicle with company gas. I use a company credit card to purchase the parts. Now the job itself we charge about 300$ for. Now you’re around 1200$ but In NY state you get a lovely tax on everything. That will bring you to about 1300$ but most of the time with necessary parts it’s more like 1500$! I feel bad charging customers that rate, but we were paid commission, so even though I did the work, I get like 75$ of the 300 for the work, and probably around 100$ total in my paycheck after you add a smaller commission on parts.
So the worker actually only gets around 100$ for the new tank. The rest cover the costs of the business. Our boss had a 100,000$ insurance bill every single month. He paid for all gas and maintenance on equipment and vehicles. Paid for tools etc.... it takes a ton of money to get a company vehicle loaded with equipment, tools, and a good plumber on your doorstep, and that’s before work is done. Now multiply the costs by 20 plumbers in their own vans, and suddenly you have to make a lot of money to cover the expenses. I hope this helps explain the costs!
For people like me that can not get natural gas they are not a good option
@@jamesblanton3744 Why?
@@pewing99 from the research I have done the electric ones are not efficient and propane is super expensive in my area
This is the best video I've seen for whether or not to buy a tankless gas water heater. With gas being so low that 8 dollars savings a month might be only be 4 now. It's just not worth it.
It's even less if you have higher usage in your house!
In truth u don't buy tankless based on saving money based on gas. Yes u will save some money, but the reason for buying is to never run out, and not have 50 gallons of water sitting in attic ready to destroy your home.
The main reason to go tankless is unlimited hot water, not cost. They require good water quality and annual descale, trap cleaning. A home owner can learn to do this if inclined. Combustion chamber needs to be cleaned also but frequency depends on gas, cleanliness of intake air and how well tuned combustion is.
Heaters with flue pipes have high standby losses up the flue. Electric tanked heaters are efficient but can be very expensive to run depending on utility rates and have slow recovery. Indirect stainless tanks are the least maintenance, have almost zero standby loss and provide instant hot water if installed correctly. But they require a boiler. Point of use electric require large electric loads, scale up quickly and are usually not recommended.
Dave! Come do a water heater video with us. You nailed it! 💪
$1400 to put in a lousy water heater don't you think you're ripping people off
For instant hot water isn’t it necessary to install a hot water circulation line. I don’t see how just a pump would work without a whole circuit.
I've lived in two different places in Scotland. I'm used to mini-tankless water heaters in the bathroom and kitchen, under the sink and in the shower. Instant hot water, no myth. It's bewildering to me that anyone would want to put a giant tankless water heater in the basement. It ruins the whole point.
I suspect that the mini-tankless units that you are talking about are the electric models, not the ones that use natural gas... I live in an area where we are subject to power outages, often prolonged outages due to hurricanes, so having natural gas for various things in addition to electricity is just a lot more practical... By splitting the energy usage between natural gas and electricity, my emergency generator does not need to be as large... Plus, by converting it to run on natural gas, I don't even have to have 55g drums of gasoline sitting around the house in case (when) we loose power... While my neighbors were sitting in their dark houses and taking cold showers after our last major hurricane for 2 weeks, my house was lit, I had hot showers, was able to cook, and could keep the sleeping area of my house air-conditioned to 70F... Maybe 70F would be considered a temperature that you try to *warm* up your house to in the *summer* in Scotland, but here in Texas with our heat and humidity, it is considered a nice chilly temperature...
My tankless was only 1K installed and has none of the "extras" and "must haves" recommended here. It's been zero maintenance for over 20 years already. This video is a myth.
What brand did you buy because i thought these tanks were fairly new to do the market
Your video was great and informative and I agree with everything you mentioned. I am a licensed Refrigeration Mechanic and Heating Technician in Toronto Canada for 20 years. I also am Nate certified in the USA as I used to work for Lennox Canada. There are positive and negatives for both tank and tankless, but I will never go back to a tank after installing my Rinnai tankless. It is quiet, small/out of the way, I can get endless hot water after the initial delay, but most important, it delivers clean water. The amount of bacteria and calcium that builds up in a tank is incredible, especially bacteria if a tank is set to low. Tankless units MUST be maintained yearly and have a higher repair/maintenance cost associated with them due to the complexity and amount of components. Tanks also require maintenance, but are always overlooked. They should also be flushed yearly and T&P should be manually opened and closed to prevent calcium build up. I know are aware that tanks also require maintenance, you just left it out of your video. Maintenance/repairs/installation are a fraction for me compared to a homeowner, but my Rinnai has been running problem free for 11 years now. Companies I have worked for installed all tankless brands and I would ONLY recommend Rinnai. Great video.
very insightful comment, thank you 🙏
Very helpful for me bro I'm from Toronto North and I have an old farm I need to switch to tankless
Thank you
Any particular Rinnai models that have been super reliable?
I have a tankless water heater and it is excellent and better than the hot water tank. Don’t have to worry about flooding.
No tankless for me. I maintain my Traditional just fine. Had it for 12 years spent maybe $100 in maintenance items. Sometimes old school is better
Family of 5 (now 6 with my mother-in-law), so glad we went tankless. Soft water and once-a-year cleaning has proven perfect for us. No issues thus far besides the installer never properly venting the units intake air (fixed). Endless hot water is amazing!
Omg, thats rough broski my condolences 😔 I'd loose my mind if my mother in law had 2 move in. Glad you got lots of hot water tho
@@jabroski69 🤣
My tankless install probably less than half that total and not having that big tank saved me a lot of space. Water takes a few seconds longer to get hot compared to a tank, but it's endless hot water after that. Never have to worry about running out of hot water.
Is it electric or gas? Did you save money on your bills in comparison with the tank?
@@squidusn71 It's electric and I really didn't pay that close attention to my bill. Although it has been a long time since I've thought that my electric bill was kind of high. So I would say it's either the same or slightly lower. It certainly would save money when I leave town since it's not heating water all the time.
Tankless heaters in rural locations where well water is at a low temperature (around 40° F) cannot heat water fast enough or to a significant temperature to make showering comfortable. I worked at a hardware store where these tankless units were sold. We sold only 8 units in 2 years. All of them were returned because they just could not heat the well water to a high enough temperature to be serviceable.
It's a bit counter-intuitive on how to increase the water temperature when taking a shower if you have a tankless system... Instead of turning the hot water flow *up*, you need to turn it *down* and then adjust the cold water accordingly... I figured this out at an AirBnB rental that had a tankless system... My wife didn't figure it out and she ended up with a rather cool shower on a cold winter day and I ended up with a hot shower, albeit with a slightly reduced flow rate than she experienced...
I will NOT be buying a tankless hot water heater for my home...
Have you thought of a double tankless in series with each other? I have never implemented that, but theoretically a first heater would heat the water to a middle warm temperature, and the other one would reach the final temperature.
After all, it's all a matter of amounts of energy. You just need to provide more.
I put in a tankless and my bill went from 45 a month to 15 a month so it depends on your application I guess. That is for a gas water heater
I have to wait for the cold water to move through the pipes anyway…but a circulating pump would be the best option…a tankless is space saving and I like it because I never run out of hot water opposed to a tank system.
I never run out of hot one with the tank. So what?
Huge space saver. Decent energy savings if you manage your hot water usage. We have one and love it. But we also live in a very small house so space is a premium.
Wait until that thing goes out, your average bill will be 500 buck.
@@dangda-ww7de I haven't seen a tank water heater for less than $400 in years so I would say the repair will be about the same. Plus having to worry if you are going to be able to fit the same size tank in is pain.
@@pewing99 That is just 1 repair, as you know the tankless got many electronic inside so anything can go wrong, and to wait for part will average 3days, can you go without hotwater for 3 days?
@@dangda-ww7de I went without electricity for two weeks during an ice storm and I survived. That was 1991. No I wouldn't want to do it again. But three days is no big deal. Yeah there are electronics inside a tankless but they are modular and easy to remove and replace. Even the homeowner can do it if you have a multimeter and a little knowledde easily gained from UA-cam.
Don't be afraid of fixing things if you do some homework. It ain't rocket science. I installed my own Navien 180S tankless at age 75. Cost me $1500. Two trusted plumbing supply houses each gave me estimate around $4000. My dollars per hour savings paid for way more than the beer I drank installing it ha-ha.
@@craigerickson1910 I have an electric tank water heater right now, and i'm thinking about going with a Navien tankless gas water heater. How is the performance and the efficiency? It's hard enough to find savings comparisons going from tank to tankless, even harder going from electric tank to gas tankless. Thanks
I have a tankless water heater and love it. I will say one main advantage of a tank water heater with a battery igniter is when the power goes out (no generator) and you're on city water, you still have hot water. Found that out during Hurricane Sandy before I went tankless. We were out of power for 9 days but I still had hot water for bathing. Now I'm tankless and have a Generac natural gas generator so no worries now.
You guys are a complete joke your salesman not plumbers
I have a tankless at a place where I am not always there. No pilot light to light. Uses no gas till I turn on the gas and water tap.
When we got our tankless we saved a lot more than the tags said, it was noticeable year over year on the gas usage….
We save $50/month, of course it depends on water usage/family size, but have to disagree with cost savings.
Interesting...Let's think long term and break down your "cost savings". A 40 gallon gas water heater usually cost $1200 installed and will last at least 10 years UNTOUCHED with ZERO maintenance. Gas usage and initial cost come out to $392 per year to own and operate over 10 years.
A tankless water heater usually cost $3000 installed and will MAYBE last10 years and WILL require maintenance. Gas usage and initial cost come out to $478 per year to own and operate over 10 years. Can you please tell me the savings you are talking about?
@@plumberguy1689 You sound like the kind of guy everybody wants to fire but can't because the union won't let them without a fight even though you take 16 smoke breaks a day and always finish behind schedule.
I've had my tankless water heater since 2005 no problems yet. It runs two bathroom showers at the same time. With a big family it has been a blessing. I do have soft water.
My wife installed all of our tankless water heaters. 2 rental houses and our new house. They have been in for about 10 years, and NO PROBLEMS, JUST common REGULAR inspections
I had a tankless water heater in a brand new townhome. Problems started after year 1. Every time using the master shower the hot water would shut off after 3 minutes. The hot water heater was constantly flashing a code 11 when the hot water stopped. Had a certified repair technician come out to look at it. The expert simply said it could "be any number of things" based on the error code. Needless to say we never fixed the issue before selling the home. The take away is that if it works it is great but when you run into problems it can be extremely difficult to diagnose the problems with these. You could end up paying a lot of money in trip costs for technicians to figure the issue out by trial and error. The house was under warranty and even with all trip costs pre-paid they still never got it fixed for us.
sounds like you didn't get the best tech in your home it should only take around 10-20 minutes diagnose any residential system.
@@willlive6845 i thought the same thing! They sent out 3 different technicians and all of them were playing the trial and error game based on the error code. Saying if this doesnt work call us back again. Too much of a headache but that was just my experience.
@@ByteMasterPro do you know what brand it was? “Flashing 11” is an error code and it would be a very distinct issue, and definitely fixable. Horrible company came to your home.
If you had a garden tub, or a free standing tub, most tankless systems cant support that much GPM in a home and self sustain. Different sizes do different things. Plus if it was flashing an error code 11 it was a Rhinnai and those are destined to fail within 6-8 years
@@mrfrog2494 What? Free standing tubs are more of a reason to get a tankless. Tankless heaters can provide north of 9 gpm at a 75 degree rise; tub fillers have an average of 3 gpm (floor mount) on the high end, and 2.2 on the average end.
Saving $100/year for tankless, not having to worry about it flooding your house when it quits, and not having to continously heat the water in the tank systems are all pluses for me.
A couple significant things left out of this…
1) Tankless water heaters - properly maintained - will last 20-25 years on average (it’s not unheard of to see residential units lasting upwards of 30 years). Compare that to the average lifespan of a traditional tank-style water heater that lasts only 8-12 years on average and you’ll be spending far more money (not to mention time and hassle) on your tank-style heater over the long haul.
2) Tank-style water heaters can often leak causing hundreds, if not thousands of dollars in damage when they do. This is a risk that just doesn’t exist with a tankless water heater.
3) Tank-style water heaters lose capacity as they get older, so you’ll find yourself with less and less available hot water as the unit ages.
4) Tankless is just better for almost everyone. The important thing is to make sure you get a unit that will meet the demands of your living situation.
Very good point on longevity. Very little information is provided on this factor.
BUT THESE TWO CLOWNS IN THIS VIDEO .....providing information ......oh God this was horrible to listen to these clowns just to get the information.
OMG ......ABSOLUTELY PAINFUL LISTENING TO THESE TWO CLOWNS!!!!
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i don't get it . why do most western country prefer/tank/tankless water heater instead of those instant water heater which u fix right in the toilet?
@@kayposia4997 fix to the toilet? What on earth are you even talking about? I’m very skeptical that is even a thing that exists - I mean, who wants hot water in their toilet? That also couldn’t possibly feed hot water everywhere in the house so it’s virtually useless even if it does exist.
not toilet bowl. where i'm from toilet means bathroom. anyway i get it now. 'hot water everywhere in the house' . thanks for answering my question.
I have a direct vent tank water heater that is over 25 yrs old with no problems. Propane fueled. Our water is from a well that I soften and adjust pH but it is still moderately hard. We have not lost capacity and have 3 bathrooms. I have flushed it twice in 25 yrs and never noticed rust or debris. Anode is original. The building code requires that the water heater sit in a pan that is drained outside. If a leak does cause a lot of damage the house was poorly designed/built in this respect. A tankless water heater can leak and cause extensive damage if it is not outside or situated properly also. I was planning for the eventual replacement of the water heater and was looking into tankless. I am inclined to stick with tank-type now.
HAVC guy here for 25 yrs. You’ll NEVER get 20 years out of a tankless, even with diligent maintenance. Wall mount boilers and water heaters are a HUGE ripoff. Pure junk. Stick with the tried and true tank for a water heater and cast iron boiler. The general public gets blinded by “efficiency” numbers.
I'm a used to was appliance guy for 9 years. 20 years here is about average for a water heater. We got mebbe 7 out of that goshforsaken tankless. I know I know. I sound like I hate the thing. I didn't...at first. New modern toy and all. My wife hated it from the first. Ha! With a passion! She hated the thing and she never had to do the biannual flush....though she did have to deal with the washing machine fill getting crawly from the limed up filter screen. Nope...never again.