Listen to the onboard video of the Ferraris, and the insane sound of their hybrid power unit. It sounds like they are using the MGU-K to fill in the brief power loss from the ICE during the shifts!
*Worth noting!* This video is specific to the 24 Hours of Le Mans race (and more specifically, Cadillac's LMDh build), and doesn't dive into the differences between LMDh & LMH, WEC & IMSA, and the differences between the cars used in each (for example, LMH cars can have 200kW of electric power). As an introductory video on the subject, I didn't want to constantly have to clarify between different acronyms. Something I think Formula 1 does really well are their educational pieces surrounding technical aspects of the sport - would be great to see the same out of WEC/IMSA!
It's specific to the LMDh tech regs, in fact. LMH run at the 24 Hours of Le Mans (one won it, even). So you can't really say that at Le Mans they are limited to 30kW electric, because they really aren't. LMDh specifically are. ;) Might seem nit-picky, and I get your point of the confusing acronyms, but that shouldn't stand in the way of facts. ;) P.S.: another nit-pick, if you put the electric motor on the front axle, then you definitely have more than 30kW, since only LMH can do it. :)
@@sidewalkere I was about to pick that nit myself, because LMDh's *HAVE* to be hybrid. They get no choice in the matter, but the flip-side of that is that for LMDh's that isn't their part.... Cadillac, Porsche, BMW & Acura (*cough*Honda*cough*, in IMSA-only at the moment) (as of next year to be joined by Alpine's A424Beta) do not supply the electric motor and battery themselves, that comes from a set of suppliers that adhere to the same spec for each. The result is that costs are controlled, for the most part. This is both for WEC and IMSA. Ferrari, Toyota, Peugeot, Glickenhaus, and Vanwall don't have this limitation being LMH's, with Ferrari, Peugeot & Toyota being the hybrids in that category. In fact I highly suspect that the reason to you are seeing Ferrari in WEC (and therefore taking LeMans) has alot to do with the F1 cost cap and their rather heated displeasure at it. Ferrari loved to toss money that that division of the company, it part of the reason that it was founded. So when FIA said "None of that, here is a cost cap", Ferrari quickly spun up a LMH project and did what they wanted with the money. I am not sure if that was the direct response but the result speaks for themselves. Then there is Peugeot's ground effect car, with wild aero and no rear wing....... Yeah, LMH's can take some liberties. Also, I am not so sure that the rotary in an option for the powertrain, last that I heard on that is that it was banned outright after the 787B legendary run.... but that was for the Group C rules and the times.... they have changed, I am not so sure that the ban still applies.
I think its arguable with rotary being 4 stroke, which I think the rule specified as 4 stroke.... Also in LMH the Hybrid activation speed is part of the BoP, Ferrari/Toyota was actually at 190kph. And Peugeot at 150kph. Its dependent on tire size choice and other consideration....
@@racingmaniacgt1 As I said, I am not sure if the rotary ban still applies but at the moment... No manufacturer seems to wants to dare it. We will have to see what other LMH's/LMDh's come out (their is going to be another by the end of this season, and more next year) but I suspect that very few want to touch the rotary if only because reliability is a huge concern. Fair enough with the LMH's but the fact remains that cost is no objective barrier to them, if their are other rules that tame performance... cool. Been liking the racing so far.
@@ergoproxy-gx2cq LMP1(although LMP1 turned into Hypercars, I'm not talking about Hypercars) had domination just like F1 but because it's endurance racing, it wasn't as visible as in F1. Actually F1 was the same, there was domination, but because of reliability it wasn't as easy to notice.
Correction: Hybrid activation threshold for AWD cars is NOT 120 km/h as claimed in the video. It depends on tire width and it's 190 km/h for both Toyota & Ferrari and it's 150 km/h for Peugeot!
@@ReXzz I thought none of the cars were allowed to use any hybrid power until higher speeds except in the pits, so that way they were all combustion only at lower speeds to equalize it.
I’ve been a huge LeMans fan since that year Audi had the brilliant idea to make the entire rear section of the car a replaceable element, cutting a gearbox change from most of an hour to 5 minutes. ACO changed the rules after that but it still gave an example of both the level of innovation possible, and the fact that the engineers and mechanics remain an active part of the team until 4:00 on Sunday. This year did not disappoint. After 23-1/2 hours, the two leading cars were still on the same lap. And hearts stopped when the leading Ferrari had trouble restarting after their last fuel stop. It’s simply brilliant.
Since there is so much equalization, seems Cadilac is going for the "keep it simple and make it to the end of the race" strategy. BTW great video had no idea there were so many detailed rules and regulations.
@@shiftfocus1 The rule of endurance racing, LeMans especially because.... LeMan's isn't a full year race track. You can only prepare for it so much for it and you only get five days total for the track (for 2 Practice & Qualifying sessions [the last Qualifying session dubbed Hyperpole] and the race itself) after that? Part that is used for the Mulsanne straight... that is a public highway. The chicanes on it? Roundabouts. You only get one real shot to have an impact on it. Lose and that is it. You get to wait a year to try again... so half the racers at LeMans just want to finish. After a brutal day (and this year was nutty with the rain), that in itself is a prize.
@@DuvJones I mean the Mulsanne chicanes don't even have road roundabouts, the public road just goes straight where the tires are placed. I think you are thinking about a few years ago they made new roundabouts that bypassed the tack, one after Tetre Rouge and one after the first chicane. None of the chicanes on track are public roads, and technically Mulsanne and Arnage entry are now full race track. The only track corner fully part of the roadway is Indianapolis.
So happy you share some light onto the WEC. I get that from an engineering perspective it may not seem as interesting, but despite mandated downforce and drag figures the manufacturers came up with some interesting aero details to gain hidden advantages. I would love to see more videos on the technical details of both LMH and LMDh as those were both thrown in the mix in this video.
what variation? i swear people who say that there is much less variation in endurance racing isnt watching endurance racing. more chances for things going wrong for the winning teams maybe
I've always enjoyed how much more analogous to road cars endurance cars are. you know, headlights, space for 2 people, have to withstand abuse for long periods of time. I find the tech so cool, and more likely to make its way to my honda civic in the future
@@TCA17 is that so? I've seen pictures, and it does seem like a smaller cockpit If it wasn't for the giant racing seat, you could probably make it work, though it'd be cramped The garage 56 nascar sure did, though, and the gte cars of course
10:03 remember that the time penalty for hybrids also means that they just don't have to rush the refueling process, which is a small advantage, but still an advantage.
I just love the variety of cars, in terms of sights and sounds, for both WEC and IMSA. I've only been to a few IMSA races in person, but every time is an amazing experience hearing the how each car flys by or downshifts into a corner. The Cadillacs always leave me astonished as they roar by accelerating and upshifting, but also when they're downshifting. It is quite addicting, I must say!
Having watched this years race, I personally believe we are seeing a return to the golden era of Group C, possibly even better. What would be awesome is if in the same manner as the IMSA prototypes competed at LeMans for the first time in decades, the WEC cars come fight it out at Daytona (the prototypes are visibly and significantly faster compared to anything racing there in the past 30 years).
Jason''s videos are always entertaining and packed with information. He is obviously well caffeinated and enthusiastic about whatever topic he is exploring. This quality can be enhanced by playing his videos at twice normal speed.
Think balance of performance is very much counter productive to the LMH class. Motorsport is just as much about the engineering as it is about the driving. Artificially decreasing performance is not in the spirit of the sport. That's also why I don't mind F1s periods of dominance. It's the task of the other teams to catch up, not the the FIA to step in. If people would be really interested in that, then spec series with the same vehicles across the whole field would be more popular. For example LMP2 consists solely of the Orecas nowadays. But that isn't the case. People want to see different cars from different teams competing. That's why Rally, GT racing, F1 and LMP1/LMH are generally the most popular motorsports categories. Edit: It also makes the engine variety much less important and exciting, considering they all are limited to the same power output. The less restrictions are within motorsport, the more exciting it gets, that's why Group B is generally considered the golden age of the rally sport.
While I disagree with the spirit of BoP, I do believe it is necessary to keep the sport alive. Without it, you get the formula one problem of whoever spends the most wins the most and teams start dropping out. For years, the WEC had maybe 5-6 cars running the the top class, and now there’s 16! You cannot argue that it hasn’t been good for the sport. While it can be exciting (for the first few races) seeing a team build a monster of car, we nearly lost LMP1 because no one else could afford, or didn’t have any interest in a financial pissing contest with toyota. Quite simply, LMH/DH wouldn’t exist without BoP Also, the intended function if BoP is not to make the cars 100% equal, but the reign the cars more closely together. If all goes according to plan, better engineered cars will still perform, and the lesser cars will not do well. We saw this in Le Mans this year, Ferrari and Toyota still came out on top while the lesser cars did not. BoP is an adaptive system that changes race to race. When implemented correctly, it will make the sport more appealing for new teams while still rewarding clever engineering. The FIA is trying to achieve the same thing in f1 with cost caps, but it clearly isn’t working (not yet anyway, we’ll see). If you want to sit there and watch the big spender dominate race after race, be my guest. I took a hiatus from f1 when mercedes won 7 championships in a row, and I believe the majority of fans share the same sentiment. Personally, I’ve started to prefer IndyCar to f1 because it is a spec series and the racing is pure. We’ve had 5 different winners across 9 races so far this season, it’s become an absolute treat to watch!
I mean go watch some Group B or Can-Am for the unrestricted leagues. They're usually dominated by the best engineering, not racing. As said in the video, racing is entertainment. Especially close racing.
I think the engineering to come out of endurance racing is way better than what comes from F1. Endurance cars are built to not just run high power, but to keep doing it for an extended period of time. That type of engineering has more real world applications than an engine that only produces power for a couple of hours a day.
Yep. Precisely. F1 race distance in the entire calendar is about the same as what the hypercars cover at Le Mans. F1 teams go through several components across the year while you want to not have to replace anything during an endurance race. I think endurance racing is mental overall.
It’s mostly electronics now. All the mechanical stuff is way too expensive to be used in road cars. And sometimes road cars are more advanced than race cars eg with active suspension banned
I mean sure but any engine that revs at 13-15K revs per min is bound to unravel themselves. Especially when you throw forced induction at it and design it to rev high and rev fast.
@@sweetcheels reliability is one thing but a racing engine will be rather uncomfortable to drive on the street. And as long as racing and daily driving engines have different goals it won’t be that easy to use whatever racing tech on the road. Eg direct fuel injection and multiple stage forced induction were in wide use 80 (eighty) years ago in high performance applications and see how long did it take to become commonplace in road cars
But if we go as more entertainment=better series, then it means that best motorsport series is NASCAR with its playoff and stage systems and best races are superspeedway ones because it is unpredictable. And if we dig deeper, then scriped moments work better for sports since you can create entertainment
He was all over Instagram (I think real time- but I could be mistaken). Even if you do follow him you may have been too busy to be on your phone I’m sure
1 rule, petrol, 4 stroke engine. 2 rule, not more than 500kw. There goes the Audi Diesel engine that walloped all comers, and the Mazda Wankel engine that won it’s only race. Rather a pity we couldn’t see these developing further as race engines, particularly the diesel as it used less fuel over the course of the race.
Very nice video! One more thing to note regarding the BoP in my opinion is that is also helps to motivate manufacturers to invest in their brands' motorsport sections. If no BoP would be present, I think way less teams would even start to challenge the Toyota's recent rule over the endurance racing. By having some security in the fact that the rules will help you balance out the head start other team might already have, I think the beancounters are then more willing to allow their brand to take part in the sport.
While I agree that F1 is a engineering competition, it's not just the car. If that was the case then Red Bull should be finishing 1-2 every race, however Max wins and often Perez is way behind. This means that there is the element of the driver as well. Great videos. Keep them coming.
I do hate the balance of performance part of the rules. If its a better car and complies with the rules it shouldn’t be penalized. Better is just better.
LMP1 and LMP2 are my favorites. With the right modifications they can be as fast or faster than modern F1 cars, since the only real engine regs were that you needed a 1.9 liter turbo V6 and had to use race gas (4 liter V8 for LMP2). The exhaust recovery systems and MGU were much more powerful, they had AWD, and there was more room on the body to put dive planes for ground effect downforce (though there were limits on how much ground effect you could make). Porsche broke the Nurburgring lap record by modifying a 919 LMP1 car, a record previously held by a modern F1 car, with just a 10 percent increase in downforce.
Lovely to see you touch on the hypercar/lmdh tech! Shook your hand when you were standing in the fanzone at Le Mans! Was really nice to just say hi. Was so nervous I forgot to introduce myself but you kindly asked my name! 😁 Hope you had a great weekend!
I’m a fan and dislike BoP in many cases. I wouldn’t mind seeing an unlimited class where manufacturers can go full out and see what they can do with hybrid systems and all the tech available to them. Give them a realistic HP number they can reach and a min/max weight and see what they can do within those limits without penalizing anyone for being faster.
i disagree with "racing is SUPPOSED to be entertainment". Racing is racing because people like to race. The cars being impressive machines to behold and the on track drama is the byproduct. If the cars are absolutely awesome and the rules are stable and simple, the racing will be close and "entertaining".
Great vid as always. I really love endurance racing, always something going on, and so many variables. Combining 3-4 classes in one race always makes for interesting situations. Plus all 3 classes just look so cool, haha
Restrictions lead to really interesting changes for engines. A great example is the new gt3 mustang being 5.4 L . It has a 94mm bore and 97mm stroke. Typically you'd see an over square design like you do on the base 5.0 (93x92.7) but rules limit intake size so the torque for rpm tradoff is worth it.
Well they can’t really make the bore much bigger within the coyote block architecture, so these dimensions are probably more about increasing overall displacement than about the b/s ratio
I HATE all these rules. I would much rather see an open series that was driven by innovation than “close racing for entertainment”. Bring back Can Am! Probably why I don’t follow any race series anymore.
also 100% agree, those old days were the REAL days 👍, these days it is all about the entertainment 👎 If any sport is regulated by RULES then the racing is defo NOT FOR REAL. It is either driven by corparte decision, or driven by technical advanscment with hindering. (Hmmmm, I guess this is where the safety snowflakes chip in with their pennyworth). Oh dear . . . . . . . . . everyone can never all be happy ha ha ha ha
They are indeed amazing pieces of engineering. I've been looking forward to these rules changes from ACO for a while. It was an absolutely epic race this year!
You "gotta" read the book "How to Build a Car: The Autobiography of the World's Greatest Formula 1 Designer" by Adrian Newey for even more history and insight into the topics you bring up at the end of your usual great video.
I personally would like to have everyone satisfied: the teams (and their engineers) and the fans I think that toppling over the technical work just for the sake of "entertainment" isn't the way to go: it kinda disrespects one very crucial and characteristic aspect of the sport...and isn't fair in the end (to me at least). Anyway, great video!
Could you do a video on the differences between the LMH and LMDh cars? Because a couple of things you said are specific to one ruleset. Mostly the Hybrid stuff, because LMDh uses a spec part whereas LMH is a lot more open.
WEC rules say that the engine shall not make more than 670hp. However, the thing about normal engines, when they say they have 670hp, it has a MAXIMUM of 670hp at a specific rpm, and most of the time it doesn't. so it makes sense to make an engine that has more than the 670hp, and then restrict it thru mapping to increase the rev range that max power is developed. And of course, the other way is to fill in the power difference with the electric motors.
I knew nothing about endurance racing before watching this video, and boy does it sound pointless. If they want "fair" races they should just give every team the same exact car and let the true best shine through. I don't think anybody would ever consider making marathon runners carry additional weight because they're too good, so why do it here? Either let capitalistic engineering thrive by imposing as few limits as possible, or let driver skill shine by giving everyone the same car.
Would like to see greater novelty in car construction. Here is one race series we came up with: 1) each grid (the set of cars that show up for the race) is ranked higher (ie. closer to pole position for the race start) for grid positions as the size of their engine shrinks. So a 2-cylinder engine has a qualifying advantage to a 4- or 6-cylinder engine 2) absolutely no limits to the engine construction. 2-stroke, or 4-stroke, or diesel, or rotary, or some novel design - only requirement is the engine must run on no greater than 93 octane pump gas (mixed with 2-stroke oil for a 2-stroke motor) or pump-grade diesel. Limit of 1 liter max. 3) each car is ranked higher up the grid as the team budgets shrink. So a team that spends $100k is ranked higher on the grid than a team that spends $500k 4) absolute limit of $1 million for the team budget 5) there must be 5 cameras on each car: cockpit, front-facing, rear-facing, and one facing outward from each side So the race will consist of 1- or 2-cylinder engines, and really cheap cars. This will get rid of the 'throw money at the problem' people who basically ruined F1. It will shift emphasis back to HUMAN CLEVERNESS in engineering. F1 and Indy car had much more freedom for car design in the past (remember the turbine cars from Lotus and Granetelli at the Indy 500?) Colin Chapman's ground effects and so many other design novelties would never be allowed - all designs are set and heavily influenced by Mercedes, et al. *_FORMULA ONE has become as exciting as WATCHING A GUY PLAY MINIATURE GOLF FOR 2 HOURS_* They forgot that racing is a SPECTATOR sport. NOVELTY is why people will pay for tickets. Not sameness. SAMENESS lacks the appeal of novelty. You want to see some real racing? Watch the Isle of Man TT. Or the Megavalanche bike downhill, the winter version .
I wish F1 would bring back the 1989 engine regulations. Back then you could do whatever engine layout you wanted up to 12 cylinders, and a maximum displacement of 3.5 liters. It would be interesting to see what the engine manufacturers would make to compete.
Exactly, depending on the design decisions that the engine manufacturers make. To keep and even playing field I think they should change how they regulate powertrain design, N/A or forced induction. Boost pressure and rev limit should be inversely proportional to the engine size, but for naturally aspirated engines, they would be instead, just regulating specific things such port volume and flow, rev limit and restrictor size. Wasn’t there at one point in F1 history, where V12s, V10s, and V8s shared the same grid? I think what they should do, instead is that, make the electrical components specific to the hybrid system, such as the electric motors, batteries, inverters, and ECU standard equipment supplied by the FIA, but let the manufactures play with engine configurations. Imagine if Ferrari brought back their V12 that can rev to the moon? Isn’t Porsche and Audi coming back? We know Porsche can do really good powertrains, their 919 has a turbocharged V4 engine hooked up to the hybrid system. Imagine if they brought that kind of technology into F1, what if Renault Alpine looked into their past to prepare for the future? Look at the stuff they did for Group B and Group S, imagine, four-cylinder engines came back to F1. Isn’t and American team join too? A 2026 V8 F1 car? That sounds like something that would crash the Internet the moment someone steps on its throttle
Problem is that, eventually, everyone will go to the one that turns out to be most effective design (in 3.5l, it either V10 or V8). That's why in F1 (and WRC) mandate single engine type
Endurance racing lost me when they went so strict with power curves and forced gear selection. I love that all the engines CAN be different, but when they all have the same max power and curves there is no real difference and the end result is.. well not as good as F1 even with their restrictive formula. In the good old days with the LMP900 and LMP675 (then LMP1 and LMP2) there were all sorts of different engines, and even Diesel, and bio-butanol fuels and it was truly a haven for technology.
well, LMP900 had restrictions on engine size as well… and to be honest, without BoP and such limitations prototype endurance racing likely wouldn‘t exist anymore, those regulations are also a cost-cutting measure to prevent what happened with the overly expensive LMP1-H cars…
Honestly F1 was cool as a kid, but nowadays I feel like it was only interesting up until the 70s, possibly 80s. The most enjoyable part of racing is teams constantly bending the rules and pushing boundaries to make the best vehicle possible, and it becomes much less interesting when too many restrictions are placed. Le Mans gets around this by running multiple different classes in the same race, which makes things a lot more entertaining to watch.
One edit you should make is that the boost numbers are set by the BOP from IMSA/FIA/ACO, usually a week or more before the race. Something interesting is that the 5.5L V8 DPI Cadillacs in IMSA were the most fuel efficient cars in the category even though they were racing against a Nissan 3.8L TT V6, an Acura 3.5L TT V6, and a Mazda 2.0L TT I4. Another interesting thing is that GM invested a lot of money making their pushrod V8's breath more easily in the 1990's (at one point the LS V8 was the most efficiently breathing engine on Earth). They did this for several reasons: 1) it was cheaper to do this than develop a new engine family from scratch 2) to improve fuel economy and reduce emissions 3) a pushrod engine is more compact than overhead cam design (the last generation of Chevy Impala had an option for a FWD longitudinally mounted LS V8, and also google LS swapped Volkswagen from some crazy stuff).
I love that you caught a selfie with Mighty Car Mods! You and they are kind of the polar opposite approaches to the same subject matter, in the best of ways. 😂
I feel like this has been a really good way to get Americans interested in Le Mans. It looks like a lot of people haven't heard of it before, even though it has been running for a century.
The biggest problem I have wit BOP is that there is the chance that you simply have to be lucky to have the best package without actually having the best package because the officials messed up the BOP. For example this year a Ferrari won the N24H the first time. The 296GT3 is a new car so officials have little data for it and when I watched the race I immidiately saw how fast the car was compared to the others on the long straight. They were pretty much given the victory on the silver plate. It's simply not fair. And at Le Mans Toyota, although I'm no Toyota fan got hit by BOP before the weekend more than any other car.
Actually... the race winner at LeMans got hit with the second biggest penalty with the BoP adjustment. Yeah, Toyota got nailed, that is what happens when you are 1-2 a lot (and it happened twice in WEC this year so far, Sebring and Spa) but so did Ferrari and I will have to remind you that Car 51 won... They were not pleased with it at the time. Today? Do you think that they care? As for the N24H... I can see the problem with that because the only racing data on the 296GT3 was at IMSA. They are not connected with the endurance or GT circuits and a new car harms that since it's just out of the blue for all purposes. Next year is going to be a handful.
They actually got the perfomance very, very close. Until Hirakawa sent the Toyota off the black stuff they had a very good chance. The Ferrari wasn't cruising then.
I have to disagree. The purpose of racing is perfection, the fact that people like to watch it is secondary. Competition brings out the best in everyone so you want there to be classes but every driver is different, every car is different, so we need a little wiggle room.
MATE, I was just doing some programming (IN RUST BTW ;) ) which is what cool/popular people do, while waiting for the austrian grand prix qualifying session...and was wanting pretty much this exact video. Ahhh, engineering explained is a legend, ABSOLUTE ANIMAL.
I love that nerd recognises nerd and the premier engineering teams of the world also love your channel and get you out to review stuff. It's so cool to see! 😂❤
@@AzathothsAlarmClock 787b was the car, 787 was earlier model. Motor proved itself to last the whole race and was in excelent condition afterwards, to the point that the engine could go for another round while the chassis was almost ripped apart. True example of what a rotary is capable of in racing applications
Is the performance penalty any different than making a Michael Jordan wear steel tipped work boots when he’s playing basketball? What about allowing the New Jersey Jets to take steroids?
In person F1 is very impressive I find it pretty boring watching on screen but gt and le mans series cars are far more interesting rules wise and to watch and even the type of race events on the calendar are just better 👌
Wow! Balance of Performance is ridiculous! Makes the "racing" about as real as professional wrestling. It would be like making a boxer wear an eye patch or knee capping an MMA fighter before the match because they are too good.
for me also, BoP means 'Bit o Pathetic'. If a manufacturer can make a faster better car that wins when they find the driver that suits it, then why not let them win all the while. It should give the other manufactuers something to aim to acheive themselves . . . . . but sadly in this new world all the losers do are complain that the winners must be stopped using rules regulations that hinder the winners and aid the losers. Oh dear . . . . . .
F1 rules : get whatever output you want from your engine as long as they are all the same Hypercars rules : do whatever you want with your engine as long as they all have the same output
The problem with F1 is engines are frozen you cannot change anything except for reliability reasons so you cannot catch up with a more powerful or more efficient engine.
@@LG-ct8tw Thanks to Karen Horner secretly preparing a engine boost juste before the freeze and work around the aero engineering advantage they have. With hypercar you can change what you want but your output is regulated by mandatory curves and values. And if your car happen to be too fast you have to sand bag by regulation. It is like "come and show off your techs and designs, the regulation will ensure that lap time is close"
Each of your episodes seems more interesting than the previous one... I'm wondering if it's due to the efficiency of the powertrain or you're now sporting a TT you're dialling in...? Much respect from BC, Canada.
As an outsider to hypercar racing, feel like balance of performance makes the open-ended-mess of the rules less useful. Why bother trying to be as efficient as possible with a hybrid so that I can save time in the pits if I'm penalized for it? Let the teams stick by the decisions they made to make what they hope is the best car they can within the given rules. I understand some of the balancing, for example adding ballast to make all drivers + ballast >= # (I know other races do this) so that you can't have an anorexic midget as a strategy (let's not put winning ahead of health). But let the skills of the engineers and drivers be what determines races. And before next season, maybe tweak the rules to balance the playing field.
BOP is the wrong way to do things. It's penalizing engineering in a sport where a part of the sport is supposed to be engineering. Engineers are basically incentivized to try and cheat the BOP system. If you wan't equal cars you should have a spec series or do things like GT racing is doing things.
I've never been a fan of ultra high revving engines like motorbikes and Formula 1, they just sound way too aggressive to me. Big engines though, like LMP cars or muscle cars... Oh man, that's my jam (the diesel cars from a few years ago such as the Peugeot 908 and the Audi R10 will always have a special place in my heart)
I love endurance racing the BOP has been a real drag especially when there is a clear sweat heart like when ford brought back the GT…. They sand bagged and had a more then friendly BOP just so the fair tail ending would happen like wrestling match
I think it needs to be mentioned that it’s not quite as simple as BoP penalizes good engineering. There are still ways to engineer a winning car even with BoP. For example - a car with +10kg of ballast will still have an advantage over an otherwise identical car that has that same 10kg baked into the design since ballast can be added in strategic areas on the car to lower the center of gravity, compensate for aero balance, etc. There’s a reason why the Glickenhaus hasn’t been able to compete with the Toyota and it’s not because of bad BoP.
Also reliability, handling characteristics across a variety of circuits, track conditions, tire conditions, etc., and ability to quickly “turn on” tires and maximize their life
So. As always a great explanation. However I must say that the cosworth DFV, many Indy, and of course 24h of Le Mans engines had a flat plane V8 layout. Vibrations aren't an issue in that terms in an Endurance race. But, anyway, that Cadillac powerplant sounds insane
Another aspect that is making WEC more attractive: the brands involved. In F1 we essentially only have Ferrari Aston Martin and Mercedes competing for relevant spots on the grid. Meanwhile, next year the WEC prototype class is going to include Ferrari Porsche Toyota Cadillac Peugeot Lamborghini BMW Alpine Acura..I mean can you even imagine that? All these brands competing for win on the same track, in the same race? I get goosebumps just thinking about it. F1 might want to reconsider it's current regulations because their spot at the pinnacle of racing is shaking
Ok, hold up because Acura is the funny one. The reason for that is because of a rather odd fact... Acura doesn't exist outside of the United States, it's parent company is Honda. Honda has yet to voice if they want in on the international endurance competition. So the ARX-06, their LMDh spec ride, is stuck in the US for the moment, unless Honda says they are in.
f1 does not need manufacturers and brands. it has always been ferrari + everyone else. just look at the success of cosworth as an engine manufacturer and williams and mclaren as teams. all catering to manufacturers does is make the sport more boring. a great example of this are the turbo-hybid engines. they did it for the road relevance, yet they have no road relevance. they'll do the next ones for "net zero" yet there's no reason why they can't be v12 engines, many more of those on the road than single turbo v6 motors. manufacturers are cancer and they are detrimental to motorsports because they aren't fans of it, they just want to show off or capitalize
Seeing Jason alongside Marty and Moog really caught me off guard there as an Aussie. What were those two doing up at Le Mans, it's like the furthest thing from their wheelhouse.
Formula 1 is like the 'Professional' version of the collegiate Aerospace competitions of Design, Build, Fly competitions. It's just Design, Build, Race. The most obvious differences being Finances and Level of Education. I've read so many research papers that came out of Formula 1 because the authors got their research from participating in Formula 1. In other words the researcher got their PH D because of the existence of Formula 1. Formula 1 has helped Engineers acquire their PH D.
Yeah I grew up an F1 fan and will always love it. BUUUUUT, its pretty boring anymore. I was watching some Japanese motorsport this weekend in the Super Taikyu Series which features commercially available cars like GR86s, Miatas, even Honda Fits! It was a blast and featured some great racing. I know that the financial backing for racing depends on it being entertaining, however that entertainment used to be based on the combination of driving and engineering. If you have obscure handicaps decide the race, why not just play bingo and pick a card out of a hat?
Actually, even before that.... Enzo LOVED endurance racing. His company, Ferrari was founded on that passion. Last time Ferrari was at LeMans was when he was alive and they had a reputation. This year, Ferrari is honestly questioning why it took them 50 years to come back if it was this "easy".
@@DuvJones It was not that easy. Prototype racing is expensive, and they have also been racing in F1 for as long as it existed. For the most part of those 50 years, they just couldn't afford it, and today they are still the only manufacturer to compete in both F1 and Hypercar (until Alpine next year, the A480 wasn't their design), and it took the disappearance of the prohibitely expensive LMP1 program for them to return. And they also just built the car, it is operated by AF Corse. Money is the game, and the Hypercar program really changed the game. I don't think it could have happened before.
I love both F1 and Le Mans/endurance but to me F1 is the pinnacle of open-wheel racing, but Le Mans is the pinnacle of motorsport: long tracks, long races, pit crews doing so much more, fast exotic cars, road car relevancy, overtaking galore, the best journeyman drivers in the world, Le Mans has it all!
Anything from NA V8's to twin turbo hybrid V6's. The amount of variation in that class is amazing
Porsche 919 used a turbo V4
but he didn't mention diesel power
It seems like that was all the "variety", 1 crossplane V8, 1 flat plane V8 and a bunch of twin turbo V6s.
@@Cre8LoungeThere's one rule and you couldn't remember it
@@nizm0man that's an lmp1
When they switch from the electric motor to internal combustion, it is amazing! That brutal sound! The hypercars sound like they were made by skynet.
Yes!! It's awesome when they leave the pits and the engine fires up!
Listen to the onboard video of the Ferraris, and the insane sound of their hybrid power unit. It sounds like they are using the MGU-K to fill in the brief power loss from the ICE during the shifts!
@@EngineeringExplained
You have the seat the best sounding car outside of the Nascar 24.
Been more reliable
Cadillac's switch sounds like someone had the best fart in their life and I love it so much.
Awesome to bump into you mate glad we had a chance for a quick baguette selfie!
Baguette collab definitely needed 🥖
I was like hold on! Those are the fellas from MCM!
Yeah very nice to see y'all together
😂
*Worth noting!* This video is specific to the 24 Hours of Le Mans race (and more specifically, Cadillac's LMDh build), and doesn't dive into the differences between LMDh & LMH, WEC & IMSA, and the differences between the cars used in each (for example, LMH cars can have 200kW of electric power). As an introductory video on the subject, I didn't want to constantly have to clarify between different acronyms. Something I think Formula 1 does really well are their educational pieces surrounding technical aspects of the sport - would be great to see the same out of WEC/IMSA!
It's specific to the LMDh tech regs, in fact. LMH run at the 24 Hours of Le Mans (one won it, even). So you can't really say that at Le Mans they are limited to 30kW electric, because they really aren't. LMDh specifically are. ;)
Might seem nit-picky, and I get your point of the confusing acronyms, but that shouldn't stand in the way of facts. ;)
P.S.: another nit-pick, if you put the electric motor on the front axle, then you definitely have more than 30kW, since only LMH can do it. :)
@@sidewalkere
I was about to pick that nit myself, because LMDh's *HAVE* to be hybrid. They get no choice in the matter, but the flip-side of that is that for LMDh's that isn't their part.... Cadillac, Porsche, BMW & Acura (*cough*Honda*cough*, in IMSA-only at the moment) (as of next year to be joined by Alpine's A424Beta) do not supply the electric motor and battery themselves, that comes from a set of suppliers that adhere to the same spec for each. The result is that costs are controlled, for the most part. This is both for WEC and IMSA.
Ferrari, Toyota, Peugeot, Glickenhaus, and Vanwall don't have this limitation being LMH's, with Ferrari, Peugeot & Toyota being the hybrids in that category. In fact I highly suspect that the reason to you are seeing Ferrari in WEC (and therefore taking LeMans) has alot to do with the F1 cost cap and their rather heated displeasure at it. Ferrari loved to toss money that that division of the company, it part of the reason that it was founded. So when FIA said "None of that, here is a cost cap", Ferrari quickly spun up a LMH project and did what they wanted with the money. I am not sure if that was the direct response but the result speaks for themselves. Then there is Peugeot's ground effect car, with wild aero and no rear wing....... Yeah, LMH's can take some liberties.
Also, I am not so sure that the rotary in an option for the powertrain, last that I heard on that is that it was banned outright after the 787B legendary run.... but that was for the Group C rules and the times.... they have changed, I am not so sure that the ban still applies.
I think its arguable with rotary being 4 stroke, which I think the rule specified as 4 stroke....
Also in LMH the Hybrid activation speed is part of the BoP, Ferrari/Toyota was actually at 190kph. And Peugeot at 150kph. Its dependent on tire size choice and other consideration....
@@racingmaniacgt1
As I said, I am not sure if the rotary ban still applies but at the moment... No manufacturer seems to wants to dare it. We will have to see what other LMH's/LMDh's come out (their is going to be another by the end of this season, and more next year) but I suspect that very few want to touch the rotary if only because reliability is a huge concern.
Fair enough with the LMH's but the fact remains that cost is no objective barrier to them, if their are other rules that tame performance... cool. Been liking the racing so far.
We would love a video on that anyhow!
I have to say that the 24 hours of Le Mans was actually more fun to watch then the last few f1 races.
le mans is almost always more fun than most F1 races
@@joeygold24didn't Toyota win LMP1 class like 5 time in a row?
@@garbage2882true but Ferrari won this year and Leclerc got to see what a good team looks like from the AF Corse paddock. So excitment is back
@@ergoproxy-gx2cq LMP1(although LMP1 turned into Hypercars, I'm not talking about Hypercars) had domination just like F1 but because it's endurance racing, it wasn't as visible as in F1. Actually F1 was the same, there was domination, but because of reliability it wasn't as easy to notice.
"Actually"😂
Correction: Hybrid activation threshold for AWD cars is NOT 120 km/h as claimed in the video. It depends on tire width and it's 190 km/h for both Toyota & Ferrari and it's 150 km/h for Peugeot!
It is also active at very low speed, notably in the pitlane.
@@falinestixiaolong9691 the pitlane is an exception - ONLY there it can be activated below the activation thresholds
Isn't it 120 km/h for the RWD cars though? I haven't heard anything about that.
@@fsendventd first of all: nope, absolutely not
Second: what kind of sense would that make?
@@ReXzz I thought none of the cars were allowed to use any hybrid power until higher speeds except in the pits, so that way they were all combustion only at lower speeds to equalize it.
I’ve been a huge LeMans fan since that year Audi had the brilliant idea to make the entire rear section of the car a replaceable element, cutting a gearbox change from most of an hour to 5 minutes. ACO changed the rules after that but it still gave an example of both the level of innovation possible, and the fact that the engineers and mechanics remain an active part of the team until 4:00 on Sunday.
This year did not disappoint. After 23-1/2 hours, the two leading cars were still on the same lap. And hearts stopped when the leading Ferrari had trouble restarting after their last fuel stop. It’s simply brilliant.
Since there is so much equalization, seems Cadilac is going for the "keep it simple and make it to the end of the race" strategy. BTW great video had no idea there were so many detailed rules and regulations.
“To finish first, you must first finish.” - Juan Manuel Fangio
@@shiftfocus1
The rule of endurance racing, LeMans especially because.... LeMan's isn't a full year race track. You can only prepare for it so much for it and you only get five days total for the track (for 2 Practice & Qualifying sessions [the last Qualifying session dubbed Hyperpole] and the race itself) after that? Part that is used for the Mulsanne straight... that is a public highway. The chicanes on it? Roundabouts.
You only get one real shot to have an impact on it. Lose and that is it. You get to wait a year to try again... so half the racers at LeMans just want to finish. After a brutal day (and this year was nutty with the rain), that in itself is a prize.
@@DuvJones The chicanes are actual permanent race track.
@@burddog0792
Not the ones on the Mulsanne straight...
@@DuvJones I mean the Mulsanne chicanes don't even have road roundabouts, the public road just goes straight where the tires are placed.
I think you are thinking about a few years ago they made new roundabouts that bypassed the tack, one after Tetre Rouge and one after the first chicane. None of the chicanes on track are public roads, and technically Mulsanne and Arnage entry are now full race track. The only track corner fully part of the roadway is Indianapolis.
So happy you share some light onto the WEC. I get that from an engineering perspective it may not seem as interesting, but despite mandated downforce and drag figures the manufacturers came up with some interesting aero details to gain hidden advantages. I would love to see more videos on the technical details of both LMH and LMDh as those were both thrown in the mix in this video.
But if you find the hidden advantage, the ACO will come and take it away (BoP) …
@@sking2173nope thats not how bop works
@@eelinyman3771 Hmmm, are we sure about that ?
Maybe not technically but I love the variation with the prototypes and those V8's just sound better than F1 V6's anyway.
what variation? i swear people who say that there is much less variation in endurance racing isnt watching endurance racing. more chances for things going wrong for the winning teams maybe
Even the hypercar v6s sound better than the f1 v6s in my opinion. I found the Acura lmdh surprisingly loud and nice sounding at Daytona this year
The more cylinders and cams = better noise. Also inline engines sound better than V’s with the same cylinder count.
@@drewski5730flat engines sound better at 6 compared to V and inline
I've always enjoyed how much more analogous to road cars endurance cars are. you know, headlights, space for 2 people, have to withstand abuse for long periods of time. I find the tech so cool, and more likely to make its way to my honda civic in the future
@juancuelloespinosa I agree, it takes up more than 2 hours of your Sunday though
For the top cars, no longer space for 2 people anymore
@@TCA17yeah this bothers me and I always wished the regulations actually required a test where you seat two people
Don't listen to the haters, your Civic is most definitely an endurance racer! (emphasis on endurance).
@@TCA17 is that so? I've seen pictures, and it does seem like a smaller cockpit
If it wasn't for the giant racing seat, you could probably make it work, though it'd be cramped
The garage 56 nascar sure did, though, and the gte cars of course
10:03 remember that the time penalty for hybrids also means that they just don't have to rush the refueling process, which is a small advantage, but still an advantage.
A video showing the difference in design of cross vs flat plane crank would be good. Most ppl have never even seen a crank.
Yeah that subject has not been fully beaten to death. With crank shaft's in full view no less.
Here you go! ua-cam.com/video/KZLygdpg3LU/v-deo.html
And this dives into the specifics: ua-cam.com/video/_TssXF8yQek/v-deo.html
Pretty sure he’s already done one
@@EngineeringExplained thank you
@@ShainAndrewslol
MCM !! Wooo. Nice to see Marty and Moog making an appearance.
Considering the balance of performance thing Toyota’s dominance is pretty incredible. This year’s Le Mans was a ton of fun to watch.
I just love the variety of cars, in terms of sights and sounds, for both WEC and IMSA. I've only been to a few IMSA races in person, but every time is an amazing experience hearing the how each car flys by or downshifts into a corner. The Cadillacs always leave me astonished as they roar by accelerating and upshifting, but also when they're downshifting. It is quite addicting, I must say!
Having watched this years race, I personally believe we are seeing a return to the golden era of Group C, possibly even better. What would be awesome is if in the same manner as the IMSA prototypes competed at LeMans for the first time in decades, the WEC cars come fight it out at Daytona (the prototypes are visibly and significantly faster compared to anything racing there in the past 30 years).
Ferrari and toyota have massive relevance in the usa. Hopefully Acura also can go the other way.
This year's Le Mans was incredible. Very fun race to watch. Great video.
Shoutout to the mad lads at Mighty Car Mods 0:21
Jason''s videos are always entertaining and packed with information. He is obviously well caffeinated and enthusiastic about whatever topic he is exploring. This quality can be enhanced by playing his videos at twice normal speed.
Think balance of performance is very much counter productive to the LMH class. Motorsport is just as much about the engineering as it is about the driving. Artificially decreasing performance is not in the spirit of the sport. That's also why I don't mind F1s periods of dominance. It's the task of the other teams to catch up, not the the FIA to step in.
If people would be really interested in that, then spec series with the same vehicles across the whole field would be more popular. For example LMP2 consists solely of the Orecas nowadays.
But that isn't the case. People want to see different cars from different teams competing. That's why Rally, GT racing, F1 and LMP1/LMH are generally the most popular motorsports categories.
Edit: It also makes the engine variety much less important and exciting, considering they all are limited to the same power output.
The less restrictions are within motorsport, the more exciting it gets, that's why Group B is generally considered the golden age of the rally sport.
Yeah, I agree it’s better when there’s more variety between competitors.
While I disagree with the spirit of BoP, I do believe it is necessary to keep the sport alive. Without it, you get the formula one problem of whoever spends the most wins the most and teams start dropping out. For years, the WEC had maybe 5-6 cars running the the top class, and now there’s 16! You cannot argue that it hasn’t been good for the sport. While it can be exciting (for the first few races) seeing a team build a monster of car, we nearly lost LMP1 because no one else could afford, or didn’t have any interest in a financial pissing contest with toyota. Quite simply, LMH/DH wouldn’t exist without BoP
Also, the intended function if BoP is not to make the cars 100% equal, but the reign the cars more closely together. If all goes according to plan, better engineered cars will still perform, and the lesser cars will not do well. We saw this in Le Mans this year, Ferrari and Toyota still came out on top while the lesser cars did not.
BoP is an adaptive system that changes race to race. When implemented correctly, it will make the sport more appealing for new teams while still rewarding clever engineering. The FIA is trying to achieve the same thing in f1 with cost caps, but it clearly isn’t working (not yet anyway, we’ll see). If you want to sit there and watch the big spender dominate race after race, be my guest. I took a hiatus from f1 when mercedes won 7 championships in a row, and I believe the majority of fans share the same sentiment.
Personally, I’ve started to prefer IndyCar to f1 because it is a spec series and the racing is pure. We’ve had 5 different winners across 9 races so far this season, it’s become an absolute treat to watch!
This is the problem with modern racing leagues, many of them have over regulated and led to a complete lack of interesting technological competition.
I mean go watch some Group B or Can-Am for the unrestricted leagues. They're usually dominated by the best engineering, not racing.
As said in the video, racing is entertainment. Especially close racing.
I think the engineering to come out of endurance racing is way better than what comes from F1. Endurance cars are built to not just run high power, but to keep doing it for an extended period of time. That type of engineering has more real world applications than an engine that only produces power for a couple of hours a day.
Yep. Precisely. F1 race distance in the entire calendar is about the same as what the hypercars cover at Le Mans.
F1 teams go through several components across the year while you want to not have to replace anything during an endurance race. I think endurance racing is mental overall.
It’s mostly electronics now. All the mechanical stuff is way too expensive to be used in road cars. And sometimes road cars are more advanced than race cars eg with active suspension banned
I mean sure but any engine that revs at 13-15K revs per min is bound to unravel themselves. Especially when you throw forced induction at it and design it to rev high and rev fast.
@@sweetcheels reliability is one thing but a racing engine will be rather uncomfortable to drive on the street. And as long as racing and daily driving engines have different goals it won’t be that easy to use whatever racing tech on the road. Eg direct fuel injection and multiple stage forced induction were in wide use 80 (eighty) years ago in high performance applications and see how long did it take to become commonplace in road cars
@@sweetcheels oh and some things detrimental to racing are very useful in road cars. Like traction control and ABS
But if we go as more entertainment=better series, then it means that best motorsport series is NASCAR with its playoff and stage systems and best races are superspeedway ones because it is unpredictable. And if we dig deeper, then scriped moments work better for sports since you can create entertainment
Wish I’d known you were at Le Mans, would have said hello! Absolutely loved the sound of the Cadillacs. They were second only to the Cup Car.
He was all over Instagram (I think real time- but I could be mistaken). Even if you do follow him you may have been too busy to be on your phone I’m sure
@@jeremyspecce I don’t actually follow him on Instagram, but tbf the phone signal at Le Mans was truly awful.
1 rule, petrol, 4 stroke engine.
2 rule, not more than 500kw.
There goes the Audi Diesel engine that walloped all comers, and the Mazda Wankel engine that won it’s only race.
Rather a pity we couldn’t see these developing further as race engines, particularly the diesel as it used less fuel over the course of the race.
Very nice video! One more thing to note regarding the BoP in my opinion is that is also helps to motivate manufacturers to invest in their brands' motorsport sections. If no BoP would be present, I think way less teams would even start to challenge the Toyota's recent rule over the endurance racing. By having some security in the fact that the rules will help you balance out the head start other team might already have, I think the beancounters are then more willing to allow their brand to take part in the sport.
Just a heads up, there's the 24 hours of Spa coming up this weekend.
and it is available for free on UA-cam as a stream (in most countries I think).
Thanks for the reminder
While I agree that F1 is a engineering competition, it's not just the car. If that was the case then Red Bull should be finishing 1-2 every race, however Max wins and often Perez is way behind. This means that there is the element of the driver as well.
Great videos. Keep them coming.
I do hate the balance of performance part of the rules. If its a better car and complies with the rules it shouldn’t be penalized. Better is just better.
imo, Le Mans is the highest form of racing. True endurance testing of man and machine. Being fast isn't enough.
Preach
Le Mans is a fast track though, not enough hairpins and chicanes.
@@shapshooter7769 the track is largely composed of hairpins and chicanes lol
2:35 I think a 500KW power limit is a giant rule, jason
Haha fair - I was referring to the engine design!
LMP1 and LMP2 are my favorites. With the right modifications they can be as fast or faster than modern F1 cars, since the only real engine regs were that you needed a 1.9 liter turbo V6 and had to use race gas (4 liter V8 for LMP2). The exhaust recovery systems and MGU were much more powerful, they had AWD, and there was more room on the body to put dive planes for ground effect downforce (though there were limits on how much ground effect you could make). Porsche broke the Nurburgring lap record by modifying a 919 LMP1 car, a record previously held by a modern F1 car, with just a 10 percent increase in downforce.
Lovely to see you touch on the hypercar/lmdh tech!
Shook your hand when you were standing in the fanzone at Le Mans! Was really nice to just say hi. Was so nervous I forgot to introduce myself but you kindly asked my name! 😁
Hope you had a great weekend!
Loved seeing the picture with you and the mighty car mods guys
As a long time Formula 1 fan, who's only recently taken interest in WEC, I found this very interesting. Thank you, Jason.
I’m a fan and dislike BoP in many cases. I wouldn’t mind seeing an unlimited class where manufacturers can go full out and see what they can do with hybrid systems and all the tech available to them. Give them a realistic HP number they can reach and a min/max weight and see what they can do within those limits without penalizing anyone for being faster.
Yes, Yes, Yes
i disagree with "racing is SUPPOSED to be entertainment". Racing is racing because people like to race. The cars being impressive machines to behold and the on track drama is the byproduct. If the cars are absolutely awesome and the rules are stable and simple, the racing will be close and "entertaining".
100% agree👍
Great vid as always. I really love endurance racing, always something going on, and so many variables. Combining 3-4 classes in one race always makes for interesting situations. Plus all 3 classes just look so cool, haha
Restrictions lead to really interesting changes for engines. A great example is the new gt3 mustang being 5.4 L . It has a 94mm bore and 97mm stroke. Typically you'd see an over square design like you do on the base 5.0 (93x92.7) but rules limit intake size so the torque for rpm tradoff is worth it.
Well they can’t really make the bore much bigger within the coyote block architecture, so these dimensions are probably more about increasing overall displacement than about the b/s ratio
I HATE all these rules. I would much rather see an open series that was driven by innovation than “close racing for entertainment”. Bring back Can Am! Probably why I don’t follow any race series anymore.
also 100% agree, those old days were the REAL days 👍, these days it is all about the entertainment 👎 If any sport is regulated by RULES then the racing is defo NOT FOR REAL. It is either driven by corparte decision, or driven by technical advanscment with hindering. (Hmmmm, I guess this is where the safety snowflakes chip in with their pennyworth). Oh dear . . . . . . . . . everyone can never all be happy ha ha ha ha
They are indeed amazing pieces of engineering. I've been looking forward to these rules changes from ACO for a while. It was an absolutely epic race this year!
You "gotta" read the book "How to Build a Car: The Autobiography of the World's Greatest Formula 1 Designer" by Adrian Newey for even more history and insight into the topics you bring up at the end of your usual great video.
I personally would like to have everyone satisfied: the teams (and their engineers) and the fans
I think that toppling over the technical work just for the sake of "entertainment" isn't the way to go: it kinda disrespects one very crucial and characteristic aspect of the sport...and isn't fair in the end (to me at least).
Anyway, great video!
Could you do a video on the differences between the LMH and LMDh cars?
Because a couple of things you said are specific to one ruleset.
Mostly the Hybrid stuff, because LMDh uses a spec part whereas LMH is a lot more open.
WEC rules say that the engine shall not make more than 670hp. However, the thing about normal engines, when they say they have 670hp, it has a MAXIMUM of 670hp at a specific rpm, and most of the time it doesn't. so it makes sense to make an engine that has more than the 670hp, and then restrict it thru mapping to increase the rev range that max power is developed. And of course, the other way is to fill in the power difference with the electric motors.
I knew nothing about endurance racing before watching this video, and boy does it sound pointless. If they want "fair" races they should just give every team the same exact car and let the true best shine through. I don't think anybody would ever consider making marathon runners carry additional weight because they're too good, so why do it here? Either let capitalistic engineering thrive by imposing as few limits as possible, or let driver skill shine by giving everyone the same car.
This Cadi is simply SUPERB
The engine is the best sounding on the grid and the chassis is another masterpiece by Dallara 😍😍😍
Would like to see greater novelty in car construction. Here is one race series we came up with:
1) each grid (the set of cars that show up for the race) is ranked higher (ie. closer to pole position for the race start) for grid positions as the size of their engine shrinks. So a 2-cylinder engine has a qualifying advantage to a 4- or 6-cylinder engine
2) absolutely no limits to the engine construction. 2-stroke, or 4-stroke, or diesel, or rotary, or some novel design - only requirement is the engine must run on no greater than 93 octane pump gas (mixed with 2-stroke oil for a 2-stroke motor) or pump-grade diesel. Limit of 1 liter max.
3) each car is ranked higher up the grid as the team budgets shrink. So a team that spends $100k is ranked higher on the grid than a team that spends $500k
4) absolute limit of $1 million for the team budget
5) there must be 5 cameras on each car: cockpit, front-facing, rear-facing, and one facing outward from each side
So the race will consist of 1- or 2-cylinder engines, and really cheap cars.
This will get rid of the 'throw money at the problem' people who basically ruined F1. It will shift emphasis back to HUMAN CLEVERNESS in engineering.
F1 and Indy car had much more freedom for car design in the past (remember the turbine cars from Lotus and Granetelli at the Indy 500?)
Colin Chapman's ground effects and so many other design novelties would never be allowed - all designs are set and heavily influenced by Mercedes, et al.
*_FORMULA ONE has become as exciting as WATCHING A GUY PLAY MINIATURE GOLF FOR 2 HOURS_*
They forgot that racing is a SPECTATOR sport. NOVELTY is why people will pay for tickets. Not sameness. SAMENESS lacks the appeal of novelty.
You want to see some real racing? Watch the Isle of Man TT. Or the Megavalanche bike downhill, the winter version
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Liberty Media and the FIA should recognise that all sport is showbiz and that racers are there to entertain as well as win.
Really cool to see you there, still amazed that I got to talk to you
I wish F1 would bring back the 1989 engine regulations. Back then you could do whatever engine layout you wanted up to 12 cylinders, and a maximum displacement of 3.5 liters. It would be interesting to see what the engine manufacturers would make to compete.
Exactly, depending on the design decisions that the engine manufacturers make. To keep and even playing field I think they should change how they regulate powertrain design, N/A or forced induction. Boost pressure and rev limit should be inversely proportional to the engine size, but for naturally aspirated engines, they would be instead, just regulating specific things such port volume and flow, rev limit and restrictor size. Wasn’t there at one point in F1 history, where V12s, V10s, and V8s shared the same grid? I think what they should do, instead is that, make the electrical components specific to the hybrid system, such as the electric motors, batteries, inverters, and ECU standard equipment supplied by the FIA, but let the manufactures play with engine configurations. Imagine if Ferrari brought back their V12 that can rev to the moon? Isn’t Porsche and Audi coming back? We know Porsche can do really good powertrains, their 919 has a turbocharged V4 engine hooked up to the hybrid system. Imagine if they brought that kind of technology into F1, what if Renault Alpine looked into their past to prepare for the future? Look at the stuff they did for Group B and Group S, imagine, four-cylinder engines came back to F1. Isn’t and American team join too? A 2026 V8 F1 car? That sounds like something that would crash the Internet the moment someone steps on its throttle
Problem is that, eventually, everyone will go to the one that turns out to be most effective design (in 3.5l, it either V10 or V8). That's why in F1 (and WRC) mandate single engine type
Endurance racing lost me when they went so strict with power curves and forced gear selection. I love that all the engines CAN be different, but when they all have the same max power and curves there is no real difference and the end result is.. well not as good as F1 even with their restrictive formula. In the good old days with the LMP900 and LMP675 (then LMP1 and LMP2) there were all sorts of different engines, and even Diesel, and bio-butanol fuels and it was truly a haven for technology.
well, LMP900 had restrictions on engine size as well… and to be honest, without BoP and such limitations prototype endurance racing likely wouldn‘t exist anymore, those regulations are also a cost-cutting measure to prevent what happened with the overly expensive LMP1-H cars…
Honestly F1 was cool as a kid, but nowadays I feel like it was only interesting up until the 70s, possibly 80s. The most enjoyable part of racing is teams constantly bending the rules and pushing boundaries to make the best vehicle possible, and it becomes much less interesting when too many restrictions are placed. Le Mans gets around this by running multiple different classes in the same race, which makes things a lot more entertaining to watch.
So much content, well-explained in a short time. Amazing! Thank you :)
so cool to see you hang out with MCM. i saw that pic in one of their videos and it reminded me i hadn't seen any of your videos pop up in awhile
One edit you should make is that the boost numbers are set by the BOP from IMSA/FIA/ACO, usually a week or more before the race.
Something interesting is that the 5.5L V8 DPI Cadillacs in IMSA were the most fuel efficient cars in the category even though they were racing against a Nissan 3.8L TT V6, an Acura 3.5L TT V6, and a Mazda 2.0L TT I4.
Another interesting thing is that GM invested a lot of money making their pushrod V8's breath more easily in the 1990's (at one point the LS V8 was the most efficiently breathing engine on Earth). They did this for several reasons: 1) it was cheaper to do this than develop a new engine family from scratch 2) to improve fuel economy and reduce emissions 3) a pushrod engine is more compact than overhead cam design (the last generation of Chevy Impala had an option for a FWD longitudinally mounted LS V8, and also google LS swapped Volkswagen from some crazy stuff).
I love that you caught a selfie with Mighty Car Mods! You and they are kind of the polar opposite approaches to the same subject matter, in the best of ways. 😂
Superb video and especially as I watched it during the 24hr du Mans 2024 so it meant much more as the different cars flash by. Cheers for that.
I love the picture of you with Emilia Hartford! My two favorite YT channels together.
They need a race with zero rules
I feel like this has been a really good way to get Americans interested in Le Mans. It looks like a lot of people haven't heard of it before, even though it has been running for a century.
Americans are simple people and only like watching cars go in endless circles aka nascar. They don't watch cultured racing.
The biggest problem I have wit BOP is that there is the chance that you simply have to be lucky to have the best package without actually having the best package because the officials messed up the BOP. For example this year a Ferrari won the N24H the first time. The 296GT3 is a new car so officials have little data for it and when I watched the race I immidiately saw how fast the car was compared to the others on the long straight. They were pretty much given the victory on the silver plate. It's simply not fair. And at Le Mans Toyota, although I'm no Toyota fan got hit by BOP before the weekend more than any other car.
That's a reasonable concern. The only scientific solution is to have two races, one with BOP and the other without.
@@extragoodesounds like crying to me lmaooo
Actually... the race winner at LeMans got hit with the second biggest penalty with the BoP adjustment.
Yeah, Toyota got nailed, that is what happens when you are 1-2 a lot (and it happened twice in WEC this year so far, Sebring and Spa) but so did Ferrari and I will have to remind you that Car 51 won...
They were not pleased with it at the time. Today? Do you think that they care?
As for the N24H... I can see the problem with that because the only racing data on the 296GT3 was at IMSA. They are not connected with the endurance or GT circuits and a new car harms that since it's just out of the blue for all purposes. Next year is going to be a handful.
They actually got the perfomance very, very close. Until Hirakawa sent the Toyota off the black stuff they had a very good chance. The Ferrari wasn't cruising then.
I have to disagree. The purpose of racing is perfection, the fact that people like to watch it is secondary. Competition brings out the best in everyone so you want there to be classes but every driver is different, every car is different, so we need a little wiggle room.
MATE, I was just doing some programming (IN RUST BTW ;) ) which is what cool/popular people do, while waiting for the austrian grand prix qualifying session...and was wanting pretty much this exact video.
Ahhh, engineering explained is a legend, ABSOLUTE ANIMAL.
I love that nerd recognises nerd and the premier engineering teams of the world also love your channel and get you out to review stuff. It's so cool to see! 😂❤
2:40 :(
RIP the legendary rotary 787B
@@AzathothsAlarmClock 787b was the car, 787 was earlier model. Motor proved itself to last the whole race and was in excelent condition afterwards, to the point that the engine could go for another round while the chassis was almost ripped apart. True example of what a rotary is capable of in racing applications
Is the performance penalty any different than making a Michael Jordan wear steel tipped work boots when he’s playing basketball? What about allowing the New Jersey Jets to take steroids?
this comment is about the pic of Marty and Moog from Mighty Car Mods and you and it goes something like this: seeing this made me so happy!
In person F1 is very impressive I find it pretty boring watching on screen but gt and le mans series cars are far more interesting rules wise and to watch and even the type of race events on the calendar are just better 👌
No joke, I went to a F1 race in person many years ago and almost feel asleep half way through.
Wow! Balance of Performance is ridiculous! Makes the "racing" about as real as professional wrestling. It would be like making a boxer wear an eye patch or knee capping an MMA fighter before the match because they are too good.
for me also, BoP means 'Bit o Pathetic'. If a manufacturer can make a faster better car that wins when they find the driver that suits it, then why not let them win all the while. It should give the other manufactuers something to aim to acheive themselves . . . . . but sadly in this new world all the losers do are complain that the winners must be stopped using rules regulations that hinder the winners and aid the losers. Oh dear . . . . . .
F1 rules : get whatever output you want from your engine as long as they are all the same
Hypercars rules : do whatever you want with your engine as long as they all have the same output
The problem with F1 is engines are frozen you cannot change anything except for reliability reasons so you cannot catch up with a more powerful or more efficient engine.
@@LG-ct8tw Thanks to Karen Horner secretly preparing a engine boost juste before the freeze and work around the aero engineering advantage they have.
With hypercar you can change what you want but your output is regulated by mandatory curves and values. And if your car happen to be too fast you have to sand bag by regulation.
It is like "come and show off your techs and designs, the regulation will ensure that lap time is close"
Each of your episodes seems more interesting than the previous one... I'm wondering if it's due to the efficiency of the powertrain or you're now sporting a TT you're dialling in...?
Much respect from BC, Canada.
Nice, I was the 6 Hours of Glen and man the Cadillac sounds like a weapon on track. It's unbelievable
As an outsider to hypercar racing, feel like balance of performance makes the open-ended-mess of the rules less useful. Why bother trying to be as efficient as possible with a hybrid so that I can save time in the pits if I'm penalized for it? Let the teams stick by the decisions they made to make what they hope is the best car they can within the given rules. I understand some of the balancing, for example adding ballast to make all drivers + ballast >= # (I know other races do this) so that you can't have an anorexic midget as a strategy (let's not put winning ahead of health). But let the skills of the engineers and drivers be what determines races. And before next season, maybe tweak the rules to balance the playing field.
Great work Jason, excellent way of explaining some of the complexities of our sport.
BOP is the wrong way to do things. It's penalizing engineering in a sport where a part of the sport is supposed to be engineering. Engineers are basically incentivized to try and cheat the BOP system. If you wan't equal cars you should have a spec series or do things like GT racing is doing things.
Mate, you forgot WEC also predictable..
Ferrari just lucky winning in Le Mans
King Toyota still strong in WEC & LMDh are slower as f***
I've never been a fan of ultra high revving engines like motorbikes and Formula 1, they just sound way too aggressive to me. Big engines though, like LMP cars or muscle cars... Oh man, that's my jam (the diesel cars from a few years ago such as the Peugeot 908 and the Audi R10 will always have a special place in my heart)
I like the lower rpm growl bigger engines make under heavy load. high-revving whiney engines just seem they are built to expire.
Peugeot 908 HDi has to be my all-time fav 👍🏻
I'd prefer fewer rules... Great video!
I love endurance racing the BOP has been a real drag especially when there is a clear sweat heart like when ford brought back the GT…. They sand bagged and had a more then friendly BOP just so the fair tail ending would happen like wrestling match
Hello Jason, thanks for this video, it was nice to watch. Did you see my comment on your Vision EQXX video yet?
Balance of performance rules hurt the engineer in me. In the soul.
As a nascar fan who watched for garage 56 lemans is definitely a great race, and I liked how much more competitive it is than f1 or indycar
Watched this past 24hr of le mans and was actually enjoying it. I was surprised how cool it was. Never was interested in it before.
haha that pic with Mighty Car Mods. Very cool!
Very, very good! Short and sweet.
I think it needs to be mentioned that it’s not quite as simple as BoP penalizes good engineering.
There are still ways to engineer a winning car even with BoP. For example - a car with +10kg of ballast will still have an advantage over an otherwise identical car that has that same 10kg baked into the design since ballast can be added in strategic areas on the car to lower the center of gravity, compensate for aero balance, etc.
There’s a reason why the Glickenhaus hasn’t been able to compete with the Toyota and it’s not because of bad BoP.
Wouldn’t they then just penalize you further by reducing your power or something?
Also reliability, handling characteristics across a variety of circuits, track conditions, tire conditions, etc., and ability to quickly “turn on” tires and maximize their life
So. As always a great explanation. However I must say that the cosworth DFV, many Indy, and of course 24h of Le Mans engines had a flat plane V8 layout. Vibrations aren't an issue in that terms in an Endurance race. But, anyway, that Cadillac powerplant sounds insane
Very well explained like always thanks a lot I understand now hypercar interest. Great strategy
Thanks for this excellent, interesting video about one of my favorite motorsports!
Another aspect that is making WEC more attractive: the brands involved. In F1 we essentially only have Ferrari Aston Martin and Mercedes competing for relevant spots on the grid. Meanwhile, next year the WEC prototype class is going to include Ferrari Porsche Toyota Cadillac Peugeot Lamborghini BMW Alpine Acura..I mean can you even imagine that? All these brands competing for win on the same track, in the same race? I get goosebumps just thinking about it. F1 might want to reconsider it's current regulations because their spot at the pinnacle of racing is shaking
Ok, hold up because Acura is the funny one. The reason for that is because of a rather odd fact... Acura doesn't exist outside of the United States, it's parent company is Honda. Honda has yet to voice if they want in on the international endurance competition.
So the ARX-06, their LMDh spec ride, is stuck in the US for the moment, unless Honda says they are in.
f1 does not need manufacturers and brands. it has always been ferrari + everyone else. just look at the success of cosworth as an engine manufacturer and williams and mclaren as teams. all catering to manufacturers does is make the sport more boring. a great example of this are the turbo-hybid engines. they did it for the road relevance, yet they have no road relevance. they'll do the next ones for "net zero" yet there's no reason why they can't be v12 engines, many more of those on the road than single turbo v6 motors. manufacturers are cancer and they are detrimental to motorsports because they aren't fans of it, they just want to show off or capitalize
Seeing Jason alongside Marty and Moog really caught me off guard there as an Aussie. What were those two doing up at Le Mans, it's like the furthest thing from their wheelhouse.
Formula 1 is like the 'Professional' version of the collegiate Aerospace competitions of Design, Build, Fly competitions. It's just Design, Build, Race. The most obvious differences being Finances and Level of Education. I've read so many research papers that came out of Formula 1 because the authors got their research from participating in Formula 1. In other words the researcher got their PH D because of the existence of Formula 1. Formula 1 has helped Engineers acquire their PH D.
Yeah I grew up an F1 fan and will always love it. BUUUUUT, its pretty boring anymore. I was watching some Japanese motorsport this weekend in the Super Taikyu Series which features commercially available cars like GR86s, Miatas, even Honda Fits! It was a blast and featured some great racing. I know that the financial backing for racing depends on it being entertaining, however that entertainment used to be based on the combination of driving and engineering. If you have obscure handicaps decide the race, why not just play bingo and pick a card out of a hat?
sounds like video game pvp balancers
Are Hypercar engines cooler than F1? After LeMans, I think Ferrari would say "SÌ".
Actually, even before that.... Enzo LOVED endurance racing. His company, Ferrari was founded on that passion. Last time Ferrari was at LeMans was when he was alive and they had a reputation.
This year, Ferrari is honestly questioning why it took them 50 years to come back if it was this "easy".
@@DuvJones It was not that easy. Prototype racing is expensive, and they have also been racing in F1 for as long as it existed. For the most part of those 50 years, they just couldn't afford it, and today they are still the only manufacturer to compete in both F1 and Hypercar (until Alpine next year, the A480 wasn't their design), and it took the disappearance of the prohibitely expensive LMP1 program for them to return. And they also just built the car, it is operated by AF Corse. Money is the game, and the Hypercar program really changed the game. I don't think it could have happened before.
BRUH!! You Got A Selfie with MIGHTY CAR MODS?!? Been following those guys for well over 10 years!
You can run a rotary? Since when is a rotary 4 stroke?
I love both F1 and Le Mans/endurance but to me F1 is the pinnacle of open-wheel racing, but Le Mans is the pinnacle of motorsport: long tracks, long races, pit crews doing so much more, fast exotic cars, road car relevancy, overtaking galore, the best journeyman drivers in the world, Le Mans has it all!
BOP is a very efficient means of rendering any results at best irrelevant and at worst bought before the start flag waves.