The difference is that the LMH/LMDH are much slower than Group C cars because of the speed record. Since 1990 till today, FIA placed 2 chicanes in Mulsanne straight that prevented speed record and banned rotary engines because it was too noisy which was a shame and it made the endurance series switched from Group C to GT1 cars in 1995 till 2000.
@@frankj0484 they didn't ban rotary engines for being noisy. it was just regulations in general. if noise was the reason the other engines would've been banned too
A pretty critical detail about the all wheel drive lmh cars, the awd only engages at a certain speed so it doesn’t give them any acceleration advantage
These cars are a huge success IMO. I've been going to Watkins Glen since the late 80's, those GTP's were awesome and these cars are on par for sure. Both series as a whole I think are far better than years past. The GT3 are excellent as well. Sportscar racing has never been better.
only correction to make is that the LMDh are not based on next gen LMP2 Chassis. They were originally going to be based on next gen LMP2 Chassis, but recently the ACO completely rewrote the next gen LMP2 Regs so that is no longer the case.
Great stuff FJ! Both series are great to watch and thriving which will see more manufacturers wanting to join. Rumblings about Ford and Alfa Romeo looking to entering the top class sounds promising and exciting. Looking forward to the Rolex 24 to kick off the 2025 sportscar season.
I also wish the 2 chicanes in Mulsanne straight should be removed and for hybrid cars, they should be around between 1000-1100bhp in order to have masive speed record as Group C cars.
@@MultiChorlonot security, cost It's just waaaayyyy easier to make around 400-550 hp engine that last 24 hour. So you can just strap the production engine and called it a day. Which explain why SO many manufacture tempted to join
Great classes, so many options like in Group C in the past. I love it. My personal favorite will be the Aston with its V12 engine. I hope Mercedes, Audi, Mclaren and Chevrolet will join some day
Forget about it. Audi recently left the WEC, after years of successful racing, to join Formula 1, and Chevrolet already has Cadillac representing GM in the WEC and IMSA championships.
Fantastic video and was exactly what I was looking for. Subscribed. If you are looking for a future subject to cover, I would love to know more about the likes of Porsche and BMW participating in LMDh, which is more restrictive, instead of LMH, which would give them more opportunities for advanced development. Either way, thanks.
Thank you, I am really happy to hear that you have subscribed! I have a video here which may help which explains all the details of each Hypercar for 2025. ua-cam.com/video/h3cpxS7l6Bk/v-deo.htmlsi=EM05JrJttRB0LyER
I don't see LMDh restrictive at all. Its more of cost effective approach as they use proven components otherwise styling and engine is up to the manufacturer.
They need more power. Most of them are already as light as they can get but the hybrid powertrains bump them up by around 200-250lbs compared to the heaviest LMP1's. If they get them up to about 750hp then they can get closer to LMP1 speeds/laptimes
The old LMP1's were rocket ships - which was nice, but I think the ACO and IMSA have got Hypercar just about right. Most of the performance difference is due to the extra weight and lower downforce of the Hypercars - and as a result they move around alot. Most importantly - they still *look* fast and they race really well. Who really cares about the lap time if the cars are a joy to watch?
@mattwhorlow9900 can't disagree. The racing has been mad good especially this past season. And with more manufacturers on the way it will be even better
The one bummer about IMSA and WEC now is that the street versions of the hypercars are, in many cases, much more powerful than their racing counterparts.The Aston Martin Valkyrie streetcar has 1,160 hp! Now, I know power-to-weight ratio evens that out. But, still, it would fun to see them run the full-power versions of those cars.
That's the case with everything though. Road going hypercars can always get more power than anything that isn't a dragster. HP is easy, HP for racing is harder and more expensive, that said, LMH cars do feel a bit underpowered for a modern top line racer. I get that they do it for costs but yeah, idk 800hp would have been more ideal imo.
@@pannonianfit1582 That's Rally. A very different discipline, with very different demands. No one cares for a rally car (that has to traverse rough terrain and air at rapid speeds) to have a complicated heavy hybrid energy, the RoI is far smaller than it is for top line performance racers that benefit from the extra mechanical balance and traction that can be had with a hybrid powertrain. Like or loathe it, ditch hybrids and I promise you, you'll lose ⅔rds of the grid, almost instantaneously.
The problem nowadays is that with all these letters are quite complicated for new fan. Basically, let's start with the fact that are 2 distinct things in racing outside of F1: Car regulations and championship classes. That said, LMH and lmdh are car regulations. Now the complicated part. In IMSA (the north american endurance series) and in WEC you have respectively GTP and Hypercar. GTP and Hypercar are the championship classes in which you find the car that follows the LMH and LMDh regulations. Technically you could build an LMH car and this car would never compete in the Hypercar class of the WEC. I hope I make it more clear for the new comers. Don't hesitate if you have any questions
For the first time in years sports cars look like they are back on top where they belong. Sports car racing is older than Grand Prix (F1). Beyond the prototype class they look like real cars that are on the street. Love it. Thanks 🎸🔪
I hope the rules will stay around with only minor tweaks. There is also a minimum aerodynamic drag coefficient that must be met. I wish the Delta Wing was brought back.
They’re both great successes but I personally don’t understand why they’re not both just the same, the regulations should be the same for both so that all of the entries can race in both championships
Great video, just a shame it's not up to date even though it only came out THREE DAYS ago. Why do I say it's out of date ? Simple : Glickenhaus, Vanwall & Isotta Fraschini are NOT competing in the WEC this year. Other than that, brilliant video full of really interesting facts. EDIT : EDIT : EDIT : Thank you FormulaJonah for pointing out that the reason you listed the teams that aren't competing is for completeness and NOT to suggest that they would necessarily be competing this year. MY MISUNDERSTANDING. THANK YOU FOR POINTING OUT WHAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO.
If you are referring to the segment that lists the cars, that is for entries that have raced in the past, present, and future, which why I mentioned that Glickenhaus competed from 2021-2023, and Vanwall only raced in 2023 in the video. Hope this clears that up! Thanks for watching, and I am really happy that you liked the video!
love it and i hope for 2030 they blend the lmh and lmdh into one rule set with a bit more power or less drag for better top speeds. I wish the lemans laptimes to fall under the 3 mins
Yeah a completely blended ruleset would be great. My hope is that you get a GT1 style class where the tintop has to be based on a hypercar that is actually sold. BOP should make a class like that viable
@@RD-wg9em it would be cool but i dont think we will have the top class based on real cars anytime soon, bmw/honda/toyota/etc... dont have a "hypercar" and i dont think they will anytime soon. the idea of using a modified lmp2 chassis for cost saving is what allow so many cars in wec/imsa. GT3 for road cars chassis and modified "lmp2" is as good we will get it.
@ yeah that’s the only issue. A dream scenario would be allowing manufacturers to license a hypercar to use as a base, but yeah a true GT1 class isn’t viable. The current rules have the sport in a really healthy place, a blended ruleset next would be fantastic.
If all 14 manufacturer race in the top class at WEC we won't probably see the lmp2 because of the 2 cars per manufacturer rule so 14 x 2 = 28 plus those privateer teams like proton and af course so it will be 30 then those large numbers of lmgt3 then lmp2 will be erase in the WEC
If the cars can race in either series what would be the reson to build one over the other? What would be my motivation to build and LMDh instead of an LMH spec?
They sell around 6,400 per year, so they are well over the minimum for IMSA. I rarely see a newer A.M. on the road, so I am very surprised by the number too!
I’m surprised some teams went down the LMH route. LMH are so much more expensive, bespoke and more advanced than the spec restrictive LMDh cars, yet BoP and the regs means their performance is on a par with the LMDh cars. And that’s probably because the DPi cars which LMDh replaced were essentially LMP2 style cars, so costs and performance needed to be kept similar.
The LMH route allows the manufacturer to explore and implement their own drive train systems. Especially with the hybrid as its of their own design and choosing. The lmdh is basically a spec class of sorts; their only free choice is the engine and styling aspect everything is a controlled part
The cars can have pretty big differences even with BoP. Before the Hybrids, the Acura DPi was incredible on bumpy street circuits with it's much better damping, the Cadillac was great anywhere that needed it's torque, the Mazdas were good at tracks where torque didn't matter as much and the Nissans were amazing at night running as their engines seemed to love it.
@10:34 it says on screen that manufacturers must *produce* 2500 cars per year, but the voice over says that they must *sell* 2500 cars per year. These two sentences mean totally different things, and clarity there would be appreciated. Overall a great video though.
I hope Ford commits this time. If they do and debut in 2026, they will have 4 years of racing the car instead of 3 years if they debut in 2027. Does it make sense to debut in 2027?
They won't make it for 2026 if they haven't started development on the car. Also it isn't unlikely that with so much manufacturer support that the LMDh and LMH regulations get extended again past 2029 with probably the only change is some tweeking with the regs to allow hydrogen powered cars to compete and make them competitive
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but why would a team choose one regulation set to another if both LMH and LMDh can race in both WEC and IMSA? Is one set more advantageous to one series than another because it looked like most WEC cars were LMH and most IMSA cars were LMDh
I’m afraid that’s not quite right though. LMDh hasn’t been renamed just yet, but IMSA’s main prototype class originally called the DPi Class, was renamed to GTP for as you mentioned, as a callback to the previous era. Hope this helps! 😉
There is one big difference between LMH and LMdH, LMH can not enable electrinic motor when speed is lower than 190km/h. LMH can only lauched by engine but LMdH can be lauched by electronic motor.
Now the reg's are extended to 29, about time both Jaguar and Audi brought themselves back into the top flight. Let's not forget that Audi had a project ready to go and then at the last second canned it to go to F1. It's still a possibility in my opinion. JUST IMAGINE!!!
I don’t have hopes for Audi returning to prototype racing as they’re already struggling with their F1 team.. and as for jaguar I mean look at mess that is Their current brand image I don’t think they’ll return to ICE cars or racing as such.
I wish Jaguar should return to endurance series but it got completely destroyed by wokeness and their current brand image.🤦♂️ For Audi, they struggle with F1 entry but both Lamborghini and Porsche are always race in every motorsport series despite they're both VW. Lambo just stayed away from WEC for only this year but it'll return with the Temerario.🤷♂️
For the Valkyrie LMH which is a non-hybrid hypercar, the starting motor and KERS actually use as a catapult and backup generator is the reason why it started from EV mode and then switched to gas mode. Both KERS & starting motor can prevent non-hybrid hypercars from ending up like Glickenhaus and Vanwall.
Also LMDh's hybrid system is a spec part from Xtrac, Bosch and Williams Advanced Engineering whereas the Le Mans Hypercars from Toyota, Ferrari and Peugeot can use their own hybrid system
if the lmdh can't be derived from road cars how did the AMR Valkyrie get into the class? because this isn't a hybrid system, and doesn't follow a lot of the rules that you mentioned for LMDH
I don’t quite understand. If you say the regs are quite different, how’re some manufacturers like Porsche, Cadillac and BMW compete in both series? Does that mean that the LMH BMW is different to the LMDh BMW? Sorry that I’m being quite slow
After some googling, both rulesets have similar performance windows. Min weight, max power, and downforce and drag figures are the same in both regulations. The only difference ends up being that LMH cars can be 4wheel drive. They basically wrote the rulesets with compatibility in mind, and there's always BoP to nerf the overperforming regulation.
Each manufacturer commits to one regulation, so in the case of Porsche, Cadillac, and BMW they all pick LMDh and run an LMDh car in the WEC and IMSA. Hope this helps!
For customer teams, of course they're allowed to run with a single car but for the factory teams, they're required to have 2 cars because of the 2 car mandate policy.
Wait, so if LMH were allowed to race in IMSA this whole time, why hasn't Ferrari or Toyota joined in on the fun? They got money - were they racing at the European and Asian Le Mans instead?
Le Mans Hypercar’s have indeed been allowed to race in IMSA this whole time, and from my understanding Toyota and Ferrari are simply focusing their time on the WEC, and choosing not to expand into IMSA.
The only pissy thing the fia/aco did is made the rule that teams have to run at least 2 cars which is why IF had to pull out and vanwall despite the behind the scenes nonsense cant run anymore The fia as per always meddle with things so the big OEMs have the say in how things operate
I'm not sure if Vanwall of IF would have raced even if it was only one car. IF tried last year and couldn't complete the season, Vanwall was in P nowhere all year. The two car rule is somewhat necessary, if a manufacturer doesn't have two cars they wouldn't be competitive anyway and would have no chance in the manufacturer standings.
It seems that the BoP in both series seems to lead to or favor the outcomes of races.I don`t think that is fair to the drivers or the manufacturers. Just my take. I think weight and max HP on the dyno should be the only balance, maybe limiting drive configuration to rear wheel drive or all 4 wheel drive.
That wouldn't work to well either as every car has different cateristics for eg at lemans the ferrari's & lil less prominently the Toyota's were the fastest cars down the mullsane despite being the heaviest & having the lower power & the porsche's & cadi's were the quickest on average through the medium to high speed porsche curves where it's practically impossible to pass
@@Maenfyprecisely this. BOP ensuring good racing is a side effect, its main purpose is to prevent manufacturers from spending millions to enhance performance.
Costs and manufacturer desire. Lmh is more expensive but grants more manufacturing freedom, vice Versa for lmdh. Also worth noting that lmdh was also designed to be aligned with the new LMP2 regs that were being introduced before they were discarded as well.
I wish FIA/ACO to get rid of the 2 chicanes in Mulsanne stright, abolish BOP & 2500 cars per year and bring back the regulations by making LMH/LMDH/LMP1 to have high speed as Group C cars like between 400 & 420kph(248-261mph) & cornering speed like Super Formula & motorcycles & allow various tires like Super GT for factory & customer teams.
That 2500 car requirement is a IMSA rule & no BOP = no mfg's AKA LMP1 from 2018 till its demise when Toyota was the only mfg in lmp1H due its rising costs
The problem is the BOP & 2 chicanes that actually prevented them achieve massive speed record like Group C cars do. It's better that the 2 chicanes should be removed, abolishing BOP and the regulations should be around between 1000-1100bhp(including hybrid systems on LMDH/LMH) in order to make them to reach the same speed as the Peugeot W88, Porsche 962C, Jaguar XJR-9 & Mercedes C11.
@@frankj0484 - "It's better that the 2 chicanes should be removed" - except, the chicanes has enough data to confirm that it actually improves the racing. "abolishing BOP" - and then complain about skyrocketing costs, resulting in less manufacturers entering? "and the regulations should be around between 1000-1100bhp" - again, skyrocketing costs.
I don’t think Lamborghini will race at Le Mans, which is really sad tbh. You can check out this video if you would like further details on the exit from them: ua-cam.com/video/IelSqMn-6ho/v-deo.htmlsi=LFfEfPf9PkWudcas
Jonah, please. I feel like you're not bringing anything that what we know already. Talk about subjects that are interesting, hence like "why is the golden era working so well ?". Ffs not that complicated to do a subject that isn't only reading the recent news. Do better
Love both WEC and IMSA.
Me too, they're great
Me too :)
@@luvilela1278 Me too ;)
Me too. Started watching midway last season. This year I'll be watching every race in both WEC and IMSA.
Same
Same thing as back in the day when it was Group C and GTP in the 80s and 90s. This generation it's LMH and LMDH
The difference is that the LMH/LMDH are much slower than Group C cars because of the speed record. Since 1990 till today, FIA placed 2 chicanes in Mulsanne straight that prevented speed record and banned rotary engines because it was too noisy which was a shame and it made the endurance series switched from Group C to GT1 cars in 1995 till 2000.
@@frankj0484he’s talking about the inclusion of two regulations of cars that raced in the 80s in comparison to the current regs
@@frankj0484 they didn't ban rotary engines for being noisy. it was just regulations in general. if noise was the reason the other engines would've been banned too
A pretty critical detail about the all wheel drive lmh cars, the awd only engages at a certain speed so it doesn’t give them any acceleration advantage
Then why implement AWD at all? Genuine question
@@leow2672stability in high speed corners.
@ I believe it’s because of weight distribution and that’s it lol
@@leow2672 Better tire ware. Not all 700 hp goes through the rear wheels
The grid diversity is next level in WEC and IMSA going into the 2025 season. Imo these regulations are a HUGE success.
These cars are a huge success IMO. I've been going to Watkins Glen since the late 80's, those GTP's were awesome and these cars are on par for sure. Both series as a whole I think are far better than years past. The GT3 are excellent as well. Sportscar racing has never been better.
only correction to make is that the LMDh are not based on next gen LMP2 Chassis. They were originally going to be based on next gen LMP2 Chassis, but recently the ACO completely rewrote the next gen LMP2 Regs so that is no longer the case.
Unless they rewrote the requirements for the survival cell, crash structure, and suspension geometry, it doesn't matter.
This year i'll buy the full season WEC coverage. Last year i only watched the big one live.
Great stuff FJ! Both series are great to watch and thriving which will see more manufacturers wanting to join. Rumblings about Ford and Alfa Romeo looking to entering the top class sounds promising and exciting. Looking forward to the Rolex 24 to kick off the 2025 sportscar season.
I watched the entirety of the 2024 season in both WEC and IMSA and didn't know that the LMH regulations could have AWD lmao. Thanks Jonah
I wish they bump the power up to at least 700-725hp by now
I also wish the 2 chicanes in Mulsanne straight should be removed and for hybrid cars, they should be around between 1000-1100bhp in order to have masive speed record as Group C cars.
@@frankj0484they stopped that because of security reasons. I’m sure that racing drivers have a will to live, just like you
@@MultiChorlonot security, cost
It's just waaaayyyy easier to make around 400-550 hp engine that last 24 hour. So you can just strap the production engine and called it a day. Which explain why SO many manufacture tempted to join
@bocahdongo7769 multi's safety comment was more towards the unrealistic demand to go back to the chicanless mulsanne straight of the 80's and older
but....why?
Great classes, so many options like in Group C in the past. I love it. My personal favorite will be the Aston with its V12 engine. I hope Mercedes, Audi, Mclaren and Chevrolet will join some day
Forget about it. Audi recently left the WEC, after years of successful racing, to join Formula 1, and Chevrolet already has Cadillac representing GM in the WEC and IMSA championships.
Fantastic video and was exactly what I was looking for.
Subscribed.
If you are looking for a future subject to cover, I would love to know more about the likes of Porsche and BMW participating in LMDh, which is more restrictive, instead of LMH, which would give them more opportunities for advanced development.
Either way, thanks.
Thank you, I am really happy to hear that you have subscribed! I have a video here which may help which explains all the details of each Hypercar for 2025. ua-cam.com/video/h3cpxS7l6Bk/v-deo.htmlsi=EM05JrJttRB0LyER
I don't see LMDh restrictive at all. Its more of cost effective approach as they use proven components otherwise styling and engine is up to the manufacturer.
I wish the Hypercars were closer to lmp1 speeds
They need more power. Most of them are already as light as they can get but the hybrid powertrains bump them up by around 200-250lbs compared to the heaviest LMP1's. If they get them up to about 750hp then they can get closer to LMP1 speeds/laptimes
@@halow4seems daft that the valkyrie, and half a dozen other production hypercars are too powerful to compete....
well I think it will be too expensive but raising it from 680hp to 750hp isn't a big problem
The old LMP1's were rocket ships - which was nice, but I think the ACO and IMSA have got Hypercar just about right. Most of the performance difference is due to the extra weight and lower downforce of the Hypercars - and as a result they move around alot. Most importantly - they still *look* fast and they race really well. Who really cares about the lap time if the cars are a joy to watch?
@mattwhorlow9900 can't disagree. The racing has been mad good especially this past season. And with more manufacturers on the way it will be even better
The one bummer about IMSA and WEC now is that the street versions of the hypercars are, in many cases, much more powerful than their racing counterparts.The Aston Martin Valkyrie streetcar has 1,160 hp!
Now, I know power-to-weight ratio evens that out. But, still, it would fun to see them run the full-power versions of those cars.
That's the case with everything though. Road going hypercars can always get more power than anything that isn't a dragster. HP is easy, HP for racing is harder and more expensive, that said, LMH cars do feel a bit underpowered for a modern top line racer. I get that they do it for costs but yeah, idk 800hp would have been more ideal imo.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks they need to go back to 900 hp/900 kg/NA engines
@@pannonianfit1582 Unfortunately during a modern hybrid era most would leave if they were forced to use NA's.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks this year world rally championship has ditch the hybrids for NA engines, teams reported high cost of maintaining it
@@pannonianfit1582 That's Rally. A very different discipline, with very different demands. No one cares for a rally car (that has to traverse rough terrain and air at rapid speeds) to have a complicated heavy hybrid energy, the RoI is far smaller than it is for top line performance racers that benefit from the extra mechanical balance and traction that can be had with a hybrid powertrain. Like or loathe it, ditch hybrids and I promise you, you'll lose ⅔rds of the grid, almost instantaneously.
Thank you, great video!
The problem nowadays is that with all these letters are quite complicated for new fan. Basically, let's start with the fact that are 2 distinct things in racing outside of F1: Car regulations and championship classes. That said, LMH and lmdh are car regulations. Now the complicated part. In IMSA (the north american endurance series) and in WEC you have respectively GTP and Hypercar. GTP and Hypercar are the championship classes in which you find the car that follows the LMH and LMDh regulations. Technically you could build an LMH car and this car would never compete in the Hypercar class of the WEC. I hope I make it more clear for the new comers. Don't hesitate if you have any questions
@markhunt7434 ok so there is a rule that mandate all LMH to race in Hypercar but not GTP?
would love in depth comparison video of 2000's and early 2010's GT1 class cars vs GTE vs current GT3 class
The Aston Martin Valkyrie AMR-LMH is yet to make its debut in WEC in February, so let's wish them good luck!
I LOVE IT ALL!! But I would always favour LMH since the French started all this over 100yrs ago😅😅😅 great video thanks 👍
For the first time in years sports cars look like they are back on top where they belong. Sports car racing is older than Grand Prix (F1). Beyond the prototype class they look like real cars that are on the street. Love it. Thanks 🎸🔪
And don't forget that IMSA (in Europe) and GT racing in overall are accessible live on youtube. What a time to be alive!
@@m4ch3te Europe, Canada - basically everywhere other than USA you can watch IMSA free w/o using a VPN connection.
I loved the lmp1 cars back in the day but I think I might like the hypercars a bit more especially the Peugeot
Le WEC, un championnat fantastique ❤🎉et 🎉
I hope the rules will stay around with only minor tweaks. There is also a minimum aerodynamic drag coefficient that must be met. I wish the Delta Wing was brought back.
Will you be at Laguna sea this year? I’m going and i haven’t been to an imsa race yet so your videos have helped with learning about the series.
4:31 Williams Advanced Engineering (WAE) is the Williams you know that racing in the Formula 1 series
They’re both great successes but I personally don’t understand why they’re not both just the same, the regulations should be the same for both so that all of the entries can race in both championships
Great video, just a shame it's not up to date even though it only came out THREE DAYS ago.
Why do I say it's out of date ?
Simple : Glickenhaus, Vanwall & Isotta Fraschini are NOT competing in the WEC this year.
Other than that, brilliant video full of really interesting facts.
EDIT : EDIT : EDIT : Thank you FormulaJonah for pointing out that the reason you listed the teams that aren't competing is for completeness and NOT to suggest that they would necessarily be competing this year. MY MISUNDERSTANDING. THANK YOU FOR POINTING OUT WHAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO.
If you are referring to the segment that lists the cars, that is for entries that have raced in the past, present, and future, which why I mentioned that Glickenhaus competed from 2021-2023, and Vanwall only raced in 2023 in the video. Hope this clears that up!
Thanks for watching, and I am really happy that you liked the video!
love it and i hope for 2030 they blend the lmh and lmdh into one rule set with a bit more power or less drag for better top speeds. I wish the lemans laptimes to fall under the 3 mins
Yeah a completely blended ruleset would be great.
My hope is that you get a GT1 style class where the tintop has to be based on a hypercar that is actually sold. BOP should make a class like that viable
@@RD-wg9em it would be cool but i dont think we will have the top class based on real cars anytime soon, bmw/honda/toyota/etc... dont have a "hypercar" and i dont think they will anytime soon. the idea of using a modified lmp2 chassis for cost saving is what allow so many cars in wec/imsa. GT3 for road cars chassis and modified "lmp2" is as good we will get it.
@ yeah that’s the only issue. A dream scenario would be allowing manufacturers to license a hypercar to use as a base, but yeah a true GT1 class isn’t viable.
The current rules have the sport in a really healthy place, a blended ruleset next would be fantastic.
This is why I want Le Mans Ultimate to succeed.
Brilliantly explained...thank you!
If all 14 manufacturer race in the top class at WEC we won't probably see the lmp2 because of the 2 cars per manufacturer rule so 14 x 2 = 28 plus those privateer teams like proton and af course so it will be 30 then those large numbers of lmgt3 then lmp2 will be erase in the WEC
Good. The more the better, either get LMP2 out of here in it's own series or get rid of the 2 car mandate for GTP
@@halow4 I think its good to remove lmp2 because I kinda think that the lmdh should have been the lmp2 replacement
@@halow4u do realise the 2 car mandate is for factory teams only
LMP2 doesn't compete in WEC
If the cars can race in either series what would be the reson to build one over the other? What would be my motivation to build and LMDh instead of an LMH spec?
Ford is talking about having a hypercar program
Surprised that Aston Martin achieves the minimal production requirement.
They sell around 6,400 per year, so they are well over the minimum for IMSA. I rarely see a newer A.M. on the road, so I am very surprised by the number too!
I’m surprised some teams went down the LMH route. LMH are so much more expensive, bespoke and more advanced than the spec restrictive LMDh cars, yet BoP and the regs means their performance is on a par with the LMDh cars. And that’s probably because the DPi cars which LMDh replaced were essentially LMP2 style cars, so costs and performance needed to be kept similar.
The LMH route allows the manufacturer to explore and implement their own drive train systems. Especially with the hybrid as its of their own design and choosing.
The lmdh is basically a spec class of sorts; their only free choice is the engine and styling aspect everything is a controlled part
The cars can have pretty big differences even with BoP. Before the Hybrids, the Acura DPi was incredible on bumpy street circuits with it's much better damping, the Cadillac was great anywhere that needed it's torque, the Mazdas were good at tracks where torque didn't matter as much and the Nissans were amazing at night running as their engines seemed to love it.
@10:34 it says on screen that manufacturers must *produce* 2500 cars per year, but the voice over says that they must *sell* 2500 cars per year. These two sentences mean totally different things, and clarity there would be appreciated. Overall a great video though.
Sure wish they would converge into one GT1 class.
I hope Ford commits this time.
If they do and debut in 2026, they will have 4 years of racing the car instead of 3 years if they debut in 2027. Does it make sense to debut in 2027?
they had just announced their entrance for LMDh
@chenyeanmingtakumi9033 wait what? It's official?
@@chenyeanmingtakumi9033 no they haven't
@@chenyeanmingtakumi9033they announced they are considering, no commitment at all. They been saying it since 2022…
They won't make it for 2026 if they haven't started development on the car. Also it isn't unlikely that with so much manufacturer support that the LMDh and LMH regulations get extended again past 2029 with probably the only change is some tweeking with the regs to allow hydrogen powered cars to compete and make them competitive
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but why would a team choose one regulation set to another if both LMH and LMDh can race in both WEC and IMSA? Is one set more advantageous to one series than another because it looked like most WEC cars were LMH and most IMSA cars were LMDh
When are you gonna address the situation with the rumours about ford entering the hypercar class, I need to know more
Did you also watch the 24h of Dubai?
I have been keeping an eye on it!
@FormulaJonah And now BMW has won it and could be a good Omen for the 24h of Daytona
For anyone who might be confused LMDh was renamed to GTP as a homage to the earlier running
I’m afraid that’s not quite right though. LMDh hasn’t been renamed just yet, but IMSA’s main prototype class originally called the DPi Class, was renamed to GTP for as you mentioned, as a callback to the previous era.
Hope this helps! 😉
There is one big difference between LMH and LMdH, LMH can not enable electrinic motor when speed is lower than 190km/h. LMH can only lauched by engine but LMdH can be lauched by electronic motor.
No not really. Toyota, Ferrari and Peugeot have the hybrid to ICE start. Only Aston Martin does not have that.
Now the reg's are extended to 29, about time both Jaguar and Audi brought themselves back into the top flight. Let's not forget that Audi had a project ready to go and then at the last second canned it to go to F1. It's still a possibility in my opinion. JUST IMAGINE!!!
I don’t have hopes for Audi returning to prototype racing as they’re already struggling with their F1 team.. and as for jaguar I mean look at mess that is Their current brand image I don’t think they’ll return to ICE cars or racing as such.
I wish Jaguar should return to endurance series but it got completely destroyed by wokeness and their current brand image.🤦♂️ For Audi, they struggle with F1 entry but both Lamborghini and Porsche are always race in every motorsport series despite they're both VW. Lambo just stayed away from WEC for only this year but it'll return with the Temerario.🤷♂️
Can’t forget that the hybrid system on the LMDh cars it can’t activate until 80kmh
For the Valkyrie LMH which is a non-hybrid hypercar, the starting motor and KERS actually use as a catapult and backup generator is the reason why it started from EV mode and then switched to gas mode. Both KERS & starting motor can prevent non-hybrid hypercars from ending up like Glickenhaus and Vanwall.
@ but that’s irrelevant to what I’m actually talking about which isn’t it’s start but when the engine is running and on track running as a hybrid
Also LMDh's hybrid system is a spec part from Xtrac, Bosch and Williams Advanced Engineering whereas the Le Mans Hypercars from Toyota, Ferrari and Peugeot can use their own hybrid system
if the lmdh can't be derived from road cars how did the AMR Valkyrie get into the class? because this isn't a hybrid system, and doesn't follow a lot of the rules that you mentioned for LMDH
It's an LMH not LMDH.LMH can race in IMSA if the company has sales in America and certain number of annual roadcar production globally
The Aston Martin AMR-LMH competes in both the WEC and IMSA but it doesn’t run as an LMDh, but as an LMH (Le Mans Hypercar) Hope this helps!
LMDh is the car regulation and has nothing to do with the class name in IMSA that is GTP which allows both LMH amd LMDh cars to compete
Will you make the compare of DPI and LMP1
I don’t quite understand. If you say the regs are quite different, how’re some manufacturers like Porsche, Cadillac and BMW compete in both series? Does that mean that the LMH BMW is different to the LMDh BMW? Sorry that I’m being quite slow
I have the same question, it's not mentioned
@ maybe it is just not that clear to me and you lol
After some googling, both rulesets have similar performance windows. Min weight, max power, and downforce and drag figures are the same in both regulations.
The only difference ends up being that LMH cars can be 4wheel drive.
They basically wrote the rulesets with compatibility in mind, and there's always BoP to nerf the overperforming regulation.
Each manufacturer commits to one regulation, so in the case of Porsche, Cadillac, and BMW they all pick LMDh and run an LMDh car in the WEC and IMSA. Hope this helps!
@@FormulaJonah but doesn’t sticking to IMSA regs make u inferior from the start? Since u don’t get 4wd
I saw last season that cars can reach up to 700 hp ? what happed ?
So if I was a Privateer and wanted to run a Lamborghini LMDh car in WEC, by myself, i'm ALLOWED?
For customer teams, of course they're allowed to run with a single car but for the factory teams, they're required to have 2 cars because of the 2 car mandate policy.
@@frankj0484 Well only if there already are 2 cars of that brand in the championship. 1 JOTA or 1 privateer Ferrari only wouldn't work either.
What is the car at 2:54?
Vanwall Vandervell 1000, a street counterpart from their LMH version, Vanwall Vandervell 680
I see you changed the font you use 😏
Wait, so if LMH were allowed to race in IMSA this whole time, why hasn't Ferrari or Toyota joined in on the fun? They got money - were they racing at the European and Asian Le Mans instead?
Le Mans Hypercar’s have indeed been allowed to race in IMSA this whole time, and from my understanding Toyota and Ferrari are simply focusing their time on the WEC, and choosing not to expand into IMSA.
The only pissy thing the fia/aco did is made the rule that teams have to run at least 2 cars which is why IF had to pull out and vanwall despite the behind the scenes nonsense cant run anymore
The fia as per always meddle with things so the big OEMs have the say in how things operate
I'm not sure if Vanwall of IF would have raced even if it was only one car. IF tried last year and couldn't complete the season, Vanwall was in P nowhere all year. The two car rule is somewhat necessary, if a manufacturer doesn't have two cars they wouldn't be competitive anyway and would have no chance in the manufacturer standings.
Fortes rumores da Ford entrando no regulamento LMDh
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Watched this video twice 😅😅 lol
Interesting how Alpine Lmdh but doesn't compete in IMSA. Also why is IMSA so damn strict calm down 😆
It seems that the BoP in both series seems to lead to or favor the outcomes of races.I don`t think that is fair to the drivers or the manufacturers. Just my take. I think weight and max HP on the dyno should be the only balance, maybe limiting drive configuration to rear wheel drive or all 4 wheel drive.
Well without BoP it would turn into another cost battle and only 2 manufacturers would remain, that's how LMP1 ended.
That wouldn't work to well either as every car has different cateristics for eg at lemans the ferrari's & lil less prominently the Toyota's were the fastest cars down the mullsane despite being the heaviest & having the lower power & the porsche's & cadi's were the quickest on average through the medium to high speed porsche curves where it's practically impossible to pass
@@Maenfyprecisely this.
BOP ensuring good racing is a side effect, its main purpose is to prevent manufacturers from spending millions to enhance performance.
The h in LMDh doesn't mean anything? That's extremely annoying
i think it means hybrid
car manufacturers actually trying to spark the automotive downfall era, and we should be thankful
Dont get Why they didnt just make one set of regulations for both WEC and IMSA
Costs and manufacturer desire.
Lmh is more expensive but grants more manufacturing freedom, vice Versa for lmdh.
Also worth noting that lmdh was also designed to be aligned with the new LMP2 regs that were being introduced before they were discarded as well.
Looks like ford is about join as lmdh because it's been all over the news
Well the same applies to McLaren for 3 years now and they still haven't joined yet.
Toyota needs to come over and so does Ferrari 😭😭 I wanna see them at indy
I wish FIA/ACO to get rid of the 2 chicanes in Mulsanne stright, abolish BOP & 2500 cars per year and bring back the regulations by making LMH/LMDH/LMP1 to have high speed as Group C cars like between 400 & 420kph(248-261mph) & cornering speed like Super Formula & motorcycles & allow various tires like Super GT for factory & customer teams.
That 2500 car requirement is a IMSA rule & no BOP = no mfg's AKA LMP1 from 2018 till its demise when Toyota was the only mfg in lmp1H due its rising costs
It’s a fun dream, but the series would die very quickly if this actually happened.
Is there any regulation regarding engine displacement ??
No, it’s just that due to the overall limit on horsepower high displacement doesn’t really give a big advantage.
@rexthewolf3149 So there is no problem, if a manufacturer use a 6 litre engine
@rexthewolf3149 What about forced induction , can a manufacturer run a supercharged engine
@@akashsanthosh6989 You could do both but you would be doing it more for style. Like the Aston Martin V12
@@akashsanthosh6989Sure, Toyota is running a 3,5l twin turbo V6.
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Why even bother with LMDh at this point
A LMDh car won the WEC driver's title and just missed out on the teams championship on the last race of the season.
@@GeeShocker not teams', manufacturers'
Adding the LMDh option saved the Hypercar concept. WEC and IMSA GTP are both healthy series thanks to the diversity.
@@curtishoffmeister9399lmdh seems like is the more popular spec manufacturers are going with now.
Well for one over half the grid are lmdh's
Audi please come back with a diesel ❤️
670 hp is to low
The problem is the BOP & 2 chicanes that actually prevented them achieve massive speed record like Group C cars do. It's better that the 2 chicanes should be removed, abolishing BOP and the regulations should be around between 1000-1100bhp(including hybrid systems on LMDH/LMH) in order to make them to reach the same speed as the Peugeot W88, Porsche 962C, Jaguar XJR-9 & Mercedes C11.
@@frankj0484 - "It's better that the 2 chicanes should be removed" - except, the chicanes has enough data to confirm that it actually improves the racing.
"abolishing BOP" - and then complain about skyrocketing costs, resulting in less manufacturers entering?
"and the regulations should be around between 1000-1100bhp" - again, skyrocketing costs.
Lamborghini runs in WEC as well as IMSA
Unfortunately Lamborghini chose to pull out of the WEC I am afraid. 😞
@@FormulaJonah Aw damn I missed that. Maybe they'll still race at Le Mans?
I don’t think Lamborghini will race at Le Mans, which is really sad tbh. You can check out this video if you would like further details on the exit from them: ua-cam.com/video/IelSqMn-6ho/v-deo.htmlsi=LFfEfPf9PkWudcas
@mrdisco99 they wont be able to due to not having full season entries which is a requirement for lemans participation
Lmp1, Lmp2 and Lmp3 was easier
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I thought Glickenhaus was out. Belly up?
If your referring to the list at the end, that is for all existing LMH and LMDh projects, no matter if they are past, present, or future
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Jonah, please. I feel like you're not bringing anything that what we know already. Talk about subjects that are interesting, hence like "why is the golden era working so well ?". Ffs not that complicated to do a subject that isn't only reading the recent news. Do better
Here I go watching all the regulatory details but not knowing where to even watch/stream a race 🥲
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