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12:01 _"Like seriously. I thought robots were meant to make it that intead of us all having to do jobs inputing numbers into spreadsheets we can have infinite leasure time drawing pictures and writing poetry. But instead AI is drawing pictures and writing poetry and we all are being forced into inputing numbers into a spread sheet. Something went wrong somewhere."_
This is a genius quote which makes me very sad and while it was meant as a joke it rang very true.
Remember Murphy's Law. If it can go wrong it will, them McNamara reponce "Murphy was an optimist.".
When you think about it, it makes a lot more sense, though.
If an AI flies a plane incorrectly, a plane crashes and hundreds of people die.
If an AI drives a car incorrectly, there's an accident and potential fatalities.
But if an AI makes a picture of a person with 6 fingers, so what?
Simply, the penalty for getting art wrong is nonexistent in many cases, since people might just want to do something like install StableDiffusion and throw in a prompt.
Definitely quote of the day..
"Like, seriously, I thought robots were meant to make it so that instead of us all having to do jobs like imputing numbers into spreadsheets, we could have infinite leisure time, drawing pictures and writing poetry. But instead, AI is drawing pictures and writing poetry and we're all being forced into imputing numbers into a spreadsheet.
Something went wrong somewhere."
Capitalism.
Capitalism went wrong.
Not that capitalism itself is bad, but the recent massive concentration of capital in the hands of a few companies is ruining the economy.
This isn't a problem with AI, it's a problem with modern economics. Not that we can't solve this, though.
Also what went wrong was lifting content from a meme word for word and presenting it as their own. But like the clickbait tittle or the doomrant without any nuance or depth, I do agree that in the end they all come down to capitalism and getting out content with minimal effort to as large group of consumers as possible.
It always surprises me that people are surprised that AI went into the "creative" space. In order for AI to interact with the physical world it needs some sort of interface. Guess what art and writing already have that, they are called printers and monitors. So, an AI can generate a piece of "art" and it gets sent to the printer and viola art. The reason we don't see it in fast food places and other areas is that the AI is perfectly capable of figuring out HOW to mop a floor but quite simply it CAN'T mop a floor without a robot or some other form of interface. We didn't see it in fast food places because it was cheaper to invest in human labor for low skill activities than invest in the equipment to make it automated. Then the fry cook wanted $25 an hour and now the upfront cost looks a lot more economical. Now instead of a whole team of cooks and staff you only need 2-3 people to monitor the machines and do clean up. Capitalism plays into it but it would be the same in any economic system. Why have a human do boring, repetitive labor and who will make mistakes because it is boring and repetitive when you can use a machine that doesn't care if it does something once or 100,000 times?
This is why we need a universal living income..F basic it should match roughly lower middle class.
Good point. Also, I think a lot of this stuff is being falsely labeled. True AI is based around crating something that can learn and grow. A lot of this stuff is actually BI, which is where a set of guiding rules and parameters is set up for the program to operate within, and it simply automates the running of those rules. The fact that each of these programs only does one thing (write a poem, do a piece of art, etc) will usually give this away, as a 'true' AI could learn to do most anything.@@guyfalcurious762
Dungeons and Dragons has always been a creation of the minds of DMs and Players. All published DnD content could be deleted destroyed, never to be republished and never to make another penny for greedy corporations and Dungeons and Dragons would still exist. The core of DnD is communal storytelling. It always has been. You do not need The Underarm Mole Hair Compendium Volumes 4 5 and 6 to tell a story with your friends.
To be fair though, TUMH Compendiums 4-6 do add a lot of interesting subcutaneous encounters to the game.
Facts, back in 2007 I ran the game for three hours in a line for convention badges with spare change, and that's it, no books, paper, pencils, or dice, and no one else had a smartphone (which I didn't use) either.
@@hlaw2830 Facts, back in 19(mumble mumble), my friends and I would sit in a pizza place after school and play with just a d20 and a d6 (because I always had those in my bag). The books and rules just gave us an agreed framework to go from (so nobody could just announce, “I do a backflip and snap the orc’s neck and save the day”).
@@SPQRKlio I started running the game with a copy of Holmes Basic I picked up for $0.50 at a yard sale in 1996, three months later I was home brewing level four, and I think we may have misread each other in that other thread?
@@hlaw2830 Possibly we misread each other. It’s hard sometimes to connect or to get the right words across in a comments thread. I’m feeling pretty relaxed about everything today, so I hope we’ll all be discussing things freely the next time Discourse gets us all riled up.
I work for a company that, among other things, is a publisher. My boss wants us to use AI to write and illustrate books, on the weird argument that AI usage in creative industries is coming so we “have no choice” and the exceptionally weird argument that since some of our books have strict and specific content guidelines, this will free authors and artists to do the projects they want to do somewhere else. I’m on the boss’s poop-list now for refusing to agree that giving all the entry-level, learn-the-ropes and build-your-resume and make-a-little-income projects to AI benefits human creators OR the end user. I’ve been splutteringly apoplectic for days.
Defiance, love to see it. Be well.
It has been decades since I read or produced fiction (in any medium), mostly because it seemed, to me, like it was mostly being produced by executive decisions that had little or nothing to do with the artistic value of the thing produced. Honestly, at this point I would trust an AI to produce artwork that more directly tied to the fictional text I wrote, as opposed to all the other demands that humans are trying to meet.
You Boss is right. The number of human beings that will be able to produce better products in creative industries than AI will approach zero within a decade. Those two or three people will be revered though.
@@yzfool6639 So, is it that you propose that we should work toward cutting off the entry points into a creative career, and cut off the income that allows some humans to make the attempt, so that there are only three slots left for people who want those creative careers? And-serious question-should we just buy and consume the AI creations while we… do what? Work our assigned jobs and go home to sit on our hands with our figurative mouths open to be fed?
(That sounded a little grumpy toward you, I think. I’ve been irritable since my convo with my boss.)
Also-and this is a personal thing: Call me a crazy human, but one of the reasons I want a story or piece of art is _because_ it’s a thing a living being created. I’m no more interested in being “fooled” by AI than I am in being lied to in general.
@@yzfool6639 exactly. I like to equate it to fast food. Do gourmet chefs still exist? of course, but they are for the rare occasion that anyone care. Most everyone else is perfectly happy to just swing through and grab a tasty burger for a faction of the cost and time. All of these writers and artists are whining without realizing why the market is shifting. Ppl want faster cheaper access to these services and products. if writers and artists can't or won't deliver , someone is gonna find a market solution, annnnnnd they have! Now they want to cry about it.
Artists get all the credit for complaining but writers have been complaining loudly as well. We have the same fears as our visual art comrades. We'll both be drowned out by slop.
There is a fairly big issue with that view. For decades writers have been recycling material from years prior. Things like Star Trek, BSG, Lethal Weapon, TMNT, He-Man, G.I. Joe, Ghostbusters, ect. and that is just the 80's remix that for a few were 60's remix. At what point does plagiarism by humans equal plagiarism from A.I.?
Yes some may have a unique gimmick to a new story and that becomes the argument for "new material" but the general consensus is that, for the most part, every story is just a reimagination of another story. Now the issue is that A.I. Is potentially more creative than humans so it must be stopped.
I imagine that argument was used by every person who had a job/skill replaced by technology.
Eventually Humanity WILL make ourselves trivial through technology, we are at the tip of the spear that will make humanity trivial. This "gender identity" BS is a perfect example. We have people who haven't grown up throwing a temper tantrum because they are being told "you aren't happy because you were born wrong." But this is a different branch of the argument for writing off Humanity as a bad idea.
@@nickm9102You have a fundamental misunderstanding of how humans not only create art but how that creative process translates into the marketable products that we use.
Take a look at Kindle Unlimited. You’re already drowned out by slop, no AI required.
@@nickm9102 "I imagine that argument was used by every person who had a job/skill replaced by technology."
That you use "imagine" here is very telling. Most pro-A.I. techbros have "imagined" what the anti-A.I. stances are without listening to them, just as it's imagined that the Luddites were against technology itself when in reality they were against the benefits of technology being hoarded by the very few on top. Being replaced by technology is a real fear, but there are much broader fears about losing control of our own culture and art. It's weird that techbros seem to reduce A.I. to the difference between knitting needles and a loom when it is a much greater threat to human society. Surveillance, spamming, propaganda and mass unemployment are merely the forseeable issues with A.I.
I see no need to make a dinstinction, writers are artists in their own rights, same with pretty much any creatives. I think the visual types get more recognition on the fight against AI because it's easier to illustrate (literally). The general public understand quicker with an image rather than with a written explanation.
As an RPG publisher that does not use AI at all and continues to support artists and writers, this is a good move, and I applaud it. I was worried there though for like a minute and a half. WotC is slowly digging its own grave, I have a feeling they are heading towards another 4th edition.
Slowly?
Not really. Read the fine print. If you use any content that isn't open license then WoTC has copyright on your creation. So by allowing ai generated from users WoTC is just expanding their own content for free. It's actually smart on their part to do it that way.
@@IncabAI-generated art is uncopyrightable. PETA already opened and closed that door with chimp photography.
@@Incab WotC can keep spamming content, but people also have to buy it for it to mean anything. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't force it to drink.
You can see how this trend is playing out in Magic the Gathering. WotC used to release a few things every couple of months. Now they're releasing like 6 things each month. It's overwhelming and players are getting burned out by it. But unlike a TCG which relies on official content, a TTRPG has the benefit of allowing full homemade content. There is a possibility WotC will produce so much overpriced official D&D content people will eventually get fed up with it, stop buying, and either move on to making their own, or another system.
I'm already there. I've stopped buying D&D content. I'm happy enough with what I got. 5e is a bland cookie-cutter system, but it's good for getting new players into the game. Then I get them to play older editions, like 3.5e, and other systems, like Cyberpunk 2020. I've also started developing my own systems.
Fourth Edition was actually good. It at least had its own identity. 5th Edition is pretty much a watered-down 3rd Edition. It was made very simplistic to appeal to new players, and on that level, it worked like a charm. Its main mistake was laying it out in such a way that it felt like you were making a character for an MMO. Basically, every edition of the game does that to some extent, they just don't point out that This class is a Defender, this class is a Striker, this class is a Controller, etc. It really put me off at first as well, but a few years after release I actually decided to really go over the material and learn the game, and it was actually exactly the kind of thing I had been wanting, I just let the strange looking format and mmo terminology upset me.
I feel attacked. As you were joking about putting numbers into a spreadsheet... I was literally putting numbers into a spreadsheet because I´m too lazy to learn how to write a script for exponential regression models.
Just ask ChatGPT to write a script for you. It's a decent entry- to mid-level programmer. Not brilliant but can get the job done.
a program.
it's called a program.
As large language models start eating their own outputs it's only going to get worse.
Worse than Disney? :D
@@ChristianIceprobably yes, becauae AI is not sentient yet, so it will be used by this corporations to replace workers.
Executives, the people actually making the decisions remain the same, so we will continue to get derivative, safe products, because they are guaranteed to make money.
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I was talking about the quality of the products.
As for the workers, if you think AI will impact writers and painters, think again.
Bus drivers, taxi drivers, truckers, and every single job thatis repetitive or has anything to do with databases (law, medicine, you name it) will go away as well.
Art is probably one of the new things that will survive the AI revolution.
Today, as we speak, there's not really a division between artists and AI, but between artists who use AI as a tool to be more proficient, and the artists who don't.
Same thing for writers.
AI can only spit out stuff that already exist, it's its limitation due to its very nature.
If you have the coolest idea and it really is original, don't worry, AI knows nothing about it.
@@ChristianIceArt as a Hobby will remain but it is naive to think art won't be replaced like other jobs, specially entry level ones under the system we currently live in, they will at least try and as someone living in a third world country where people have very litlle acess and are not very discerning, they will consume AI content because most people don't care about creativity or the artist, or soul and a lot of people don't know how to differentiate between what is AI and what is the work of a person.
@@bluester7177
For sure the market will change, but think about it.
Who will produce better art, an artist that will use AI as a tool or a nobody who can't even count fingers?
Art needs visions, ideas, critical eye. knowledge. It's a whole language you can't simply mimick without the artist.
At the same time an artist will be able to realize his vision in a better way and in a fraction of the time.
Will we need fewer people to carry on with the industry?
Probably, but that's just history repeating itself.
If an artist don't think he can compete with the mediocrity that is popping out everywhere, well, it means t's not a big loss, sorry if that hurts somebody's feelings.
Here I was alarmed thinking this was bad, but actually banning AI generated book spam on places like Drive Thru RPG or One Book Shelf is actually quite logical. Authors should be legitimate and spend the time and effort in actually writing their modules.
Until you can't recognize AI-generated books next week.
@@yzfool6639 An AI-generated random table/random encounters book is feasible. Maybe even a hexcrawler setting without any plot. However, the leap between that and something like a working rules-system or even an internally-consistent adventure module is larger than you think.
Absolutely, the title of this video is massively overhyped
@@avradio0b Also, an internally-consistent adventure is just one of the minimums, a low bar. It has to be entertaining too.
@@mechatankzilla4733 Its not overhyped so much as it isn't what you were expecting. It was a switcheroo.
I tested ChatGPT by telling it to DM a game for me. I was a half orc rogue. It set the scene (typical fantasy town) and attempted to break into a large house for some robbery. So far so good...
1. I attempted to sneak kill a guard and it wouldn't let me due to violence.
2. I attempted to challenge the guard openly and it wouldn't let me due to violence.
3. I attempted to goad the guard to attack me and it wouldn't due to violence.
4. I attempted to steal something directly in front of the guard. The guard did not react.
5. I gave up.
liberal city simulator 9000
Gotta use the open source ones now. They gutted chatgpt.
Seems like my players...who don't want me to dm because my monsters are realistically rabidly "fierce" and monsterlike ie gnolls WILL eat dead literally anything. I like to be fierce but leave a way if they figure out...how to actually win fights non traditionally ie the way I play my gnolls is they rabidly hungry to the point if one of them dies they'll be eaten by some other gnoll. If say someone were to drag te gnoll body into a choke point you could have a massive advantage but nooooo "that's awful because duh canibalisim"
@@silverscalederg8632 let me guess, they all play tiefling characters
@@marcogenovesi8570 Nah even more brain dead most played human charecters...like dude what the hell are you playing a fantasy roleplaying game for if you pick a species you can see by looking outside
While AI is interesting, I fear all that will be lost with respect to human imagination and creation, if we become to dependent on it.
Humans are pretty smart. They become dependent on superior technology as soon as that becomes evident.
Imagination and creation are what will be lost.
@@yzfool6639 And sometimes that dumbs us down. That is the point. It doesn't always dumb us down, it depends on the tech. But this isn't mere "tech." It isn't the difference between a shovel and a tractor. Tractor makes the farmer more efficient than the shovel, but doesn't entirely replace the farmer leaving him homeless.
One of the other crazy things is how much plagiary AI art can output. I could see platforms having policies about AI generated material just to avoid those lawsuits.
I've been advocating this for a long time on Amazon, but it works for any other platform as well. Every single book that gets uploaded comes with a $20 (or whatever) evaluation fee. A real human being reads it and determines if it meets minimum quality standards. If not, it gets rejected, the fee gets kept and they move on. That will not only get rid of bad AI work, but bad human work. It will also keep the spam off because scammers aren't going to want to spend a ton of money uploading a ton of content, only to have it all rejected. Some people will get jobs doing all the reading and while you'll have less content overall, you'll have better content, increasing consumer confidence.
It's a win-win for everyone except the scammers.
The only issue with this is if Amazon, or the individual reviewing, refuses books based purely on the subject matter. Like how Elon Musk deletes anything on Twitter he personally doesn't like.
Aside from that one concern, it's a great idea.
This is a terrible idea purely because of the profit margins of independent writers. The vast majority of independently written and published books sell between 0-100 copies, with most not making over even 20 dollars in profit. This can continue for an entire series an author has written, or even their entire life's work regardless of quality.
Most of the writing field is *marketing* driven, not art-driven. You can't succeed in writing by being honest and good at what you do. It's just not possible anymore. Not to mention people who publish books often do so while completely broke. Those types of people for whom 20 dollars decides whether or not they eat for the week because they spend 95% of their money on rent and bills.
@@genera1013I didn’t think about that but you’re right. Then it’s a question about censorship using this model as a shield. No easy solution here.
@@darkbeetlebot If you don't have the confidence that your product is going to make $20 over the entire life of the run, then you probably shouldn't be doing it in the first place.
@@genera1013 That is entirely up to Amazon. It's their platform, they get to make those decisions on a corporate level. For individuals, that's something for HR to handle. If they're not doing the job that you're paying them to do, they shouldn't have the job.
With the explosion of AI, authors and artists can begin to advertise their work as "Hand crafted"
Silver linings and all.
Amish artwork incoming.
"Genuine artificial hand crafted AI art product."
I'm amazed no one's thinking about that, honestly I was thinking the stamp of "human quality" would be marketed like crazy already.
A.I will never figure that out...
pretty sure noone will ever start using "human quality" as a prompt literally the next day
Meat Popsicle Stamp of Approval!
Many moons ago, I used to be hopeful for using AI and robots to do hard work for humans and make the lives of everyone better.
Now, I'm in the 40k side. Destroy all Abominable Intelligence.
doesn't have to be 40k, it could be dune! :)
@@Ezberron We are on the road to enslavement. The time for the Butlerian Jihad draws near.
@@Ezberron Or even Star Trek dealing with the Borg.
Won’t lie. Back when AI art first hit the scene I used it to show areas and places to my players since making multiple fully scenic boards would be too much for one campaign and I’m not pumping out 10 unique pieces of art for a one shot campaign.
I think Kevin Siembieda of Palladium RPGs was concerned about this back in the '90s.
he was ignored
Well, his stuff is often ignored, sadly
@@stefanjakubowski8222 and now everyone must feel silly
Remember one thing, the USA Copyright Office has... put a soft 'patch' on this already... You can't copyright anything AI created.
Except it's currently impossible to tell. So they will issue that copyright because they don't have to tools to call the "writer" a tool for using tools.
Not true. AI assisted art is able to be protected under copyright in the US. And anything done with Ai is also copyright protected under the Berne Convention internationally. The US copyright office is just one of many. Only has to be recognized by one in the world.
@@Incab The US Copyright Office has received applications to register a wide variety of arguably creative objects for copyright protection in recent years, including driftwood that has been shaped and smoothed by the ocean, a photograph taken by a monkey, a mural painted by an elephant and the look of natural stone for its cut marks, defects and other qualities. In every instance, its response has been the same: no. The Copyright Office Compendium, its guide to policies and procedures, explicitly states that works created by nature, animals or plants cannot be registered. That also includes “works produced by a machine or mere mechanical process that operates randomly or automatically without any creative input or intervention from a human author”.
This is from this year, and its talking bout the Zendaih comic which was granted a copyright in totality but not for the images inside individually because of the fact they were generated by AI, you can read it all here: www.theartnewspaper.com/2023/05/04/us-copyright-office-artificial-intelligence-art-regulation
Oh no.... now I want the banned dungeon discourse module more than ever.
This makes me wonder if TTRPGs are starting to come full circle with the beginning. I was there (albeit really young) when the D&D blue box came out.
All we had was those simple rules and our imagination. Then came the mega- monolith era. Now, granted there are more books to inspire the imagination and whole complete systems. Yet, are we back to our system books and our imagination?
There are detectors, but they are in a constant state of catch-up. They would stop the the vast bulk of muck, but anyone who understands prompting with a particular predefined tone and register will easily get by the filter.
Yeah, I think this is a huge issue facing RPGs, one that I'm not sure has a great solution
If there was a reddit style quality filter on content, the absolute drek (both AI and Human made) would sink to the bottom and the quality stuff (again, regardless of authorship) would rise to the top.
I love using AI stuff in my games. I have used to add additional background to NPCs, more descrptions for towns, etc. I have even used it to generate images for some of my stuff. I have found it has really made the game work better. However, this is all just for my own personal game, none of it is sold or even made available anywhere else.
It will help everyone do anything better. Interesting times ahead.
@@yzfool6639 Strangely this is not actually true. Researchers have actually studied this. For example AI coding assistants help senior programmers FAR more than it helps junion programmers or beginning programmers. For beginners it can actually lower their productivity while for seniors it can be a 50% boost or more.
It has to do with understand what the AI can and can't do and also have to formulate exactly what you need. Seniors understand what they need to do and can give good prompts that the AI can implement.
The same is also true of art, writing, and other fields.
for the struggling individual, AI is nice for making quick reference art, thumbnails, voice-acting for certain scenes, and character backstories. I'm pretty torn about it all, because I am one of these individuals directly benefitting from this (like how you use it in your games), but I can see where the problems are in terms of widespread company use.
it's gonna be strange times for people like you and me.
@@TheDoc_K I think we are going to need to come up with rules and standards for using it for personal usage and monetizing it. I am not even sure what that would be because I have a hard time seeing how these models are really that much different that humans learning art.
I have been on enough digital art sites over the years that it seems quite common to remake older works to learn or to make art in the style of someone else. That is considered okay but not when one of these AI systems do it. Part of the issue is scale. It is certaintly a hard problem.
@@Immudzen the big problem is consent from the looks of it, usually someone's older work being remade is flattering, or their asked for their permission; people not ok with that happening tend to have the remade works taken down.
but the guys developing AI art programs just scrounge the art en masse, instead of asking for volunteers or commissioning submissions; it's not even that the amount of people that would say no would be important, they were never given the choice to begin with.
im so sick of seeing ai art on pinterest. i hate how much crap it churns out
I, on the other hand, love it! More art to draw inspiration from
I'm bothered by the lack of Discourse Erotic Dungeon Adventure modules. And relieved by that absence, at the same time.
Ah F.A.T.A.L the greatest RPG ever...if you're the love child of Ron Jeremy and Jeffrey Dahmer
Imagine that. Automation ruins jobs and businesses. As a blue collar machinist we have been screaming this for 40 years. So yeah.... told you so.
they thought it only applied to manual labor jobs muahahahahaha.
It only affects a tiny fraction of artists. Music has been digitalized since the 70s and there are still music performers. Much ado about nothing imo.
@@Incab I kind of agree , really. Same as how the camera only effected a small group of artists in the long run. Not to mention it spawned several other art forms of it's own in the process. There is just a glut of "writers and artists" right now who had a bit of a windfall over the last 20 years of the massive uptik in content consumption by first world countries. They'll still be working on the bespoke products, but for the average "hamburger" daily stuff , it'll be all Ai gen.
@@Incab the difference here is that the digitalization you speak of is just "using fake drums but still having to out the sounds together yourself to make something of your own". Visual art also has been digitalized since the ~90s. It's called Photoshop and MSPaint. What AI does is it takes the artist out of the picture entirely, you simply tell the bot to make you a song or image and it does it. It stole its whole database off the internet without any artist's permission too.
You don't just tell the drum machine or MS paint to just make the thing for you.
@@Lycaon1765 Name for me any art medium of any type at any time that did not teach, "Take it and make it your own."
Really? I did nothing?
I make a start image of say an orc over at mage. Run through my basic prompt I made, not ai made, until I get something close to the pose, skin color, expression I want. Open GIMP, take out the extra hand, take out the oddball stuff in the background, cut off the leg and rotate so it looks like it's taking a step forward, insert behind the treasure chest I made previously so the orc is standing in front of it, highlight areas I want torchlight on and up the gamma while applying some reds and yellow, insert dark clouds, perhaps add a .png rain drop overlay so it is now raining, take the entire image over to playground, run through at about 70% image strength so it doesn't change my image but blends the edit cuts. And there's my finished image.
I did nothing? This is nothing different from the digital art I've been doing with photoshop and GIMP for the last 30 years.
The reason given for straight text to image not being able to be copyrighted in the US is it lacked the “human authorship” necessary for protection.
If you want something specific you have to do the work, show the ai what to do and you are using it as a filter in your graphics software. That's why ai assisted art CAN be copyrighted.
And the myth that ai art anyway can't be copyrighted is a lie of omission. The UK grants copyright and that copyright transfers to the US through the Berne Convention under international law that the US is a signatory of.
Specifically as to your point. When I used to teach guitar on of the first things I would have my students do is pick up a copy of Metallica's Kill 'em All album sheet music. The guitar work is basically a study in how to apply the A Minor Pentatonic scale.
What you are trying to say is that because my students learned applied music theory from copyrighted music everything they compose for the rest of their life is stolen from Metallica.
Absurd.
I am guessing that pretty much the new requirement will be "show your work, show me the drafts".
The AI detecting AI failed, it just got pulled for a high failure rate.
Wasn't expecting an AI video when I clicked on this but glad to see it's full of really good points. I just want to add that AI models are trained on existing, often copyright, work. It is incredibly exploitive in it's creation. You did say that artists and creatives in general are upset but it's important to note that they are upset because the AI models are using their own work, without consent, compensation, or credit, in order to produce a product that directly competes with them. I've heard it called "selling our work back to us"
Kinda like the Amazon business model. Amazon will let you sell your goods on their platform, but if they see you are doing really well they'll make their own version of your "store" and then bury yours in the results.
My english language and writing skills are shit, BUT my game design ideas are pretty damn good. When I first heard/found out about ChatGPT, I immediately started writing a d10 RPG system (my rule designs, GPTs English writing skills). I made more progress than I ever had. I think i'm good designer but without AI I would never be able to create what is in my own RPG design with my own English writing skills.
I'm torn on this issue, as I can see both sides. I'm a writer who wants to put my writing work out there, but I'm also a college student with a low-income job. It's hard to pay someone to do art for you when you have almost no money.
Same. That's why they are allowing AI art as long as it's in a legitimately written module. You just have to make a note that the art was created with the help of an AI. For us, yes, some of our art is made with "help". We still need to clean it up etc. Not unlike some artists I know who also use AI to generate a project from a rough sketch.
I think that's a great opportunity to find artists to collaborate with, either friends you know or artists looking to get their feet wet. Obviously you should treat them well, and return the favor when you can
At the cost of being harsh, there are a lot of ways you can work around the problem without using a technology that steal jobs and usage consent. Keep your project unambitious, just settle for a cover art rather than more than one image. Surf through art forums and communities, you may find out somebody willing to make you a cover for very little money or even no money at all, perhaps a novice artist who is not yet out in the big world and still honing their skills, or someone willing to let you use art they've already done for a school project: likely you won't get a Giotto, but it's going to be good enough. Surf through _writing and reading_ forums, advertise your book and try to get enough of a sequitur so that you'll be sure some people are gonna buy your book even if gets released in a cheap format such as Kindle. Ask a little loan to your family and to friends you know are doing well, it might feel like begging but people close to you are not gonna have any problem helping out, especially if you're asking for little to each - if five people give you twenty dollars, you already have one hundred dollars. And/or - and I know you're gonna hate this because you probably hear this a lot already - just save up, of course if you're in a very, very bad situation I understand that's not possible, but otherwise even just putting aside ten dollars a month will get you a hundred dollars after then month.
Of course all of these things will require some sacrifices - wether in results on in your own actions - but I feel it's far better than using a tool that's controversial at best and actively harming people with similar interests as yours (if not the same interest, since I'd like to remind AI is being used for writing, too) at worst.
We are the machine that created a machine to have more freedom than ourselves.
Bravo people, bravo.
Not to be that guy, but Clarke didn't write about AI other than HAL. You probably meant Asimov :D
Also +1 to your next roll for slyly just dropping that FATAL reference in there.... although maybe I shouldn't advertise that I recognized that...
@ thatguy... ironic that his initials were "IA." Apparently "I Robot" rules don't apply to entities without a body to go along with intelligence...
@@makdaddi3921 technically the 3 Laws are supposed to be hardware, not software... although this was back when the concept of hard/firm/soft was embryonic, so it's not surprising. This is why they shut down if they break one, their hardware literally melts lol. I don't think anyone at the time could conceive of an AI that was separate from its hardware tbh.
@@jasonGamesMaster No they could conceive of people being that stupid. They were just wiser and coded THAT rule in hardware where it belongs.
No one should ever reference [THE GAME THAT SHOULD NOT BE NAMED!]. We read it and reviewed it so others didn't have to. Let it die. Forgotten.
We've already seen the AI nonsense with swimmable mermaid tails; a company called Finfolk held a design-a-tail contest and an AI artist won over people who spent actual work. And even worse? Despite having it in their rules that AI-generated designs were banned, they went through with the winning AI tail and you can buy it. :,)
And for the banner books? Maybe we start having Prohibition Era-type libraries. Bootleggers? No, we're doing bootleggers now.
As always when abusive policies spawn into this market, Paizo will come to the rescue by making their own Drivethru and own Roll20... probably "with gambling and wh...".
There are detection systems for determining AI generated content (at least for text). While it can't tell definitively whether something is AI generated, it can give a probability level. So it would be up to the user to set their own probability thresholds to determine if something is AI written.
This is another reason why some of us won't get rid of our 1980s, 1990s & 2000s era game books
My collection of Fighting Fantasy books is holy to me. As are my Lone Wolf and Way of the Tiger books.
I almost cried, running to check on my books. Made of paper. On my shelves. Luckily, they are still there and will provide all the content my make believe world will ever need.
I am an artist. I am here to ask people who have been playing around with AI art thinking it's harmless, please stop. AI programs scrape the internet to train themselves on how to create their artwork and writing and then use that data to create content that they sell. They are using the creative works of others to sell a product without compensating the creatives behind the work their emulating. This isn't a question of just big companies, this includes small, individual artists and creatives. While some of the products are free that will only be the case as long as they can't make a profit from them. Once the developers feel they have a marketable product, they will market it. Laws to protect creatives have not kept up with the speed of AI development so I ask people to avoid AI art and writing programs until the laws catch up to protect the creative minds who produce your content.
Really Hmm I asked one to draw this (if you are a artist then is this a challage)
It is market day in a small country village and a female human bard is standing on a makeshift stage playing a fiddle. Looking around the seen while she plays and sees the loyacle tavern and taps her left foot in time with what she plays. Just to her left is her travleing pack and scarbboard Rapier.
The AI had a fit and refused to even try to draw this, is this that much of challage?
@@Delgen1951 Yeah, that's a challenging piece. That's an expensive piece too. You're asking for what sounds like a complicated, detailed background for a full body commission and reading between the lines I can assume you want certain poses and perhaps more than one person in the final work, seeing as she'd likely have an audience or the market would have other people wandering it. You haven't added near enough detail to properly complete that as a commission and there are multiple spelling errors that the computer would have to decipher to spit out a picture. If you came to me with that as a base idea I'd be asking you a ton more questions to find out what exactly you wanted from the piece and it already sounds like it would be a several hundred dollar price point based on how many hours it would likely take to get done. If you only gave me this much information I wouldn't draw it either.
I am also an artist and writer.
I will ask you to stop looking at any pieces of art for reference or technical inspiration as you could use that information in your brain and replicate it.
See how dumb that sounds?
I'm also a programmer. You have no idea how art AI works. None. You're regurgitating lines....ironically like AI.
Btw how vocal were you against industrial work being replaced with machinery or being outsourced?
I love your content. Fascinating stuff.
woohoo! glad you enjoy it :D
Thanks for keeping viewers updated on corporate shenanigans. 👍
I am torn on AI. If it gives us Six from the Cylons I think I might be ok with it.
She had a few drawbacks....nuclear assault being not the least.
It won’t. It isn’t actually intelligent.
It can easily give us the nuclear bombing of the colonies. And Terminator's future.
I am sooo glad I have a lot of my old RPG books now.
This is why companies will generate AI art or AI text, have an artist or writer tweak it, but keep the fact it was partially done in AI in house and covert.
A.i. needs heavy regulation now, not tomorrow, not next week, now.
"Men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them."
Paul Atreides.
The thing that went wrong is we expected techbros to do things to benefit humanity, when we all see they don't give a shit about it. They just want easy money (that's what happens when you tell people to learn to code just because it will make them lots of cash) and they don't value creativity and culture. They both are just wrappers and neans to drive their advertising to get money.
They went for artists first just so they didn't have to pay us.
Lol, imagine thinking its the actual programmers who decide the direction and not the management and the shareholders.
A story I seem to remember is about Leonardo and Miguel Angel painting two frescos in a chamber. They had to be about a battle. Leonardo painted an impressive battle, Miguel Angel instead painted the soldiers scrambling out of their camp to go to battle. AI is as good as its programing. We don't need programing. The best of us can come up with wonders most cannot imagine, therefore cannot program. But if AI comes up with wonders most cannot imagine it will smother the human SOUL. Because people will just give up.
Good thing I still have all the physical copies of all my old books and know how to make my own games if I didn't.
What if you were to use AI as an aid to get the backbone of your module laid down, and then manually went in and ironed out, adjusted, or themed things to a story the AI produced? Would there be an allowance for that, or would they just unilaterally ban all AI in the production? And if not, how would you be expected to verify that it's not entirely AI created?
And for completely manual creators, would you see that as a problem for a writer to utilize AI in this way? I still feel like this antipathy against AI driven anything is much like how digital art was perceived when it gained traction.
Gotta recognize that AI is the worst rn that it will ever be. Virtually all art is at risk of drowning in tsunamis of amalgamations. So a company/schmuck can rake in low-effort money.
*has been*, not 'will be' -- AI is advancing incredibly fast and it will only get worse and more confusing before it gets better.
People need to start writing their own game content.
OMG, I cant believe you referenced Bunnies & Burrows ..
Genius. This lady is a genius.
As a writer, the thing that pisses me off the most about AI creation is that someone else is benefiting from MY labor without my permission or compensation. When I sell a story to an anthology, I am compensated for the use of my work per a legal contract. AI companies don't give a fuck about the millions of creators whose work they turned into fodder to feed their machines. Their AI wouldn't exist without ME SPECIFICALLY and CREATORS IN GENERAL. I want a piece of that pie. We all deserve our fair slice. But these money-grubbing companies refuse to acknowledge how useless their programs would be without the CREATIVES they leeched from like the parasites they are.
The theft of other people's intellectual property--usually considered a crime in most legal jurisdictions--is the most insidious aspect of AI. The companies that benefit from distributing and selling AI-generated content should be pursued through every legal channel, but it won't happen. Not unless enough credible well-known authors and artists launch a class action to protect the intellectual property of all artists and writers. I'm not a lawyer. I've no idea if such a thing is even possible. But I believe that's what it would take to contain both the theft of the original creator's online published intellectual property and the spread of AI generated content into mainstream media.
There are a number of AI writing analysis tools on the web now, and the better ones are pretty good.
On the subject, I an 100% in favor of the bans. While I do believe (as a tech nerd/developer myself) that AI does have a place in assisting us in the creation process, the wholesale creation of content from wholly AI sources is little more than laziness and cheating the system. People who use AI like this should be ashamed.
I am hoping legislation comes about to make misrepresentation of origin illegal under copyright law.
I think A.I. is really fun. I love my little A.I. text adventures. In the grand scheme of things, it isn't worth it though. The costs to society are just too high and we should consider ways to eliminate generative A.I. entirely.
The key question is whether ir not they are open source
@@Magicwillnz There are valid and useful uses of generative AI, especially in the learning process. AI used to make human endeavors better is always a good thing, in my book.
Using it to replace humans, not so much.
So, the tech is fine, the problems are in how it is trained, marketed, and used.
@@ArchaeanDragon I don't disagree with you, but how do you guarantee it doesn't replace humans? There is only one safe way. Despite some legitimate uses for AI, I can't see it as anything but a net negative. People don't seem to appreciate how powerful a tool a.i is for fraud, plagiarism, surveillance and propaganda. All these things vastly outweigh the legit uses as a toy.
I really enjoyed your Treaty of Westphalia reference.
How dare you bring up that circumference table. I had almost forgotten... And then you brought the trauma back.
A.I. is a tool. It's not supposed to make prefect content It's supposed to make something that's enough to give inspiration.
Not only that, we're literally dealing with this currently as a developer of Oblivion Oddities!
I have been trying to make sure every artist rights are protected because I have been preparing for A.I. content & the issues we are currently having for 10 years minimum.
But yet we can't even get people to be able to find our content after spending the last 10 year's literally listening to everyone in the TTRPG communities to develop my game Oblivion Oddities. We don't have a kick-starter. We do have a gofundme.
We're trying to make it easier for creatives to get into.
We're literally the answer to all of this cause we have been collecting information & data for the last 10 years to solve all of these problems.
You're literally asking for us as a company to exist & help fix the problem. We're real & here, we're trying! We need to be noticed!
Publishers can just get an intern to lightly rewrite AI written content and be able to say "no it's not written by AI."
That said, as a DM: (For art) I'm poor and can't afford to get commissioned art for all my characters and npcs, so before midjourney I had to either spend an eternity trawling google for art I could "borrow", or just have text based tokens and rely on verbal descriptions of characters, so artists weren't getting paid by me anyway.
everything is available online. free of charge. if you know where to look.
why would you have to pay for anything?
@@sabin97 To support artists, isn't that what the AI discussion is all about?
@@ChiliConCarnage
you're not supporting the artists.
you are supporting the rich who own the work the artists make.
@@sabin97 wtf??
@@ChiliConCarnage
the rich are theones who make money from most published works.
2:31 -Mad Respect to Tetsuo: the Iron Man. Best reference all month!
"No way to detect [AI written] content..."
Easy solution: train another AI to analyze the content.
I definitely know what you are saying. AI has gotten to the point of where entire books of all genre are being put out. You no longer need the creative, just type in a genre and show two characters and you can have a true book written about them. Sorry, I'm a starving writer. Even erotic romance books are now being written by AIs. We are going to have to put a true stop to AI content otherwise it will end up shaping the future of us and our children. My rant is over. Take Care and Stay Safe.
No AI will be as good as Chuck Tingle tho
Can we stop calling it A.I. (artificial intelligence) and instead call it C.B.I. (computer based intelligence), because I would argue that a lot of writers for WoTC have artificial intelligence.
As in they like to think that they are smart but their really not.
Lol
No. Nerds are not allowed to name anything, for reasons your post makes obvious. Just keep inventing great things and we'll take it from there.
I don't even think they have artificial intelligence--that would be a step up from what they have.
I prefer Artificial Dumbness.😁
@@kerwinbrown4180 Natural Stupidity. AI is no match for it.
What a strange world we live in now. Thank you for the video.
The goal should be for voluntary compliance vs. detection, this can only be done with open submission and a "statement" of human only content by verified people and a strict penalty (monetary and banning of the person)for anything found to be generated.
Full disclosure: I am an artist. My ambition has always been to get good enough to create work for RPGs. Seeing that career path going away is upsetting, but I think it's a small piece of a bigger picture. What happens when individual creation becomes the sole province of hobbyists whose production is limited by 40-hour day jobs and the rare person who is so rich that "Batman" is otherwise a viable career option? What happens when the media we consume is largely or almost wholly reliant on datasets that someone owns and controls? As an artist I don't want my creativity slaved to a dataset that I have to rent out from some tech billionaire. As a citizen and a human being, I don't want a handful of companies to establish chokepoints where they can monetize and control creativity itself.
I do, I VERY much do. What I want is for these companies to empty the pockets of everyone else to the point where they don't have consumers anymore. What happens when no one can buy their products? What happens when people have to rise up against a few people owning everything or starve? This is what it's going to take for people to put an end to the insanity that is our current way of doing things, and what AI can and should do is allow us to create a world where money isn't necessary and we can leisure and such. You know, the Utopian dream. I haven't given up on it, and if we can't have a Utopia...well, I think we should just destroy ourselves.
This is what happens:
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I totally support this. I don't want to pay for content that was not created by a biological writer. AI just writes what it finds on the Interwebs pits by scouring and putting together what it finds. There is a lot of good content out there written by human beings. Let's support that content not cheap content because it was recycled by a Terminator.
heheh... Blade Runners for the RPG companies. lol
"AI was supposed to make our lives easier so we can draw pictures and write poetry but now AI is drawing pictures and writing poetry while we punch numbers in a spreadsheet" - I laughed at this but I feel like I should have cried too. 😅 Maybe because I'm a professional spreadsheet number puncher?
I use AI extensively often, for what I do with memes I love it. It's a power tool. Anybody can pick up a nail gun, but only a carpenter can build a house with it.
Except you are going to become the nail gun and AI is going to become the carpenter.
The only solution i can see it would be to institute an association of 3rd party creators heavely monitored while everyone outside of it, who sells 3rd party content, is banned from selling products.
I know that its heavely drakonian however the only alternatives would be to ban ai softwares (which i would approve).
The way to break into adventure/supplement writing is to build a following. Put some good content out there without charging. I’ve seen a few calls for submissions that gets reviewed prior to being included in their compilations. Kevin Crawford puts out a paired down free version of SWN for people to try. Expecting to charge for adventures as an unknown is ludicrous.
My prediction? The response to a.i is going to be small, insular groups and invite only clubs. Rpgs, streamers, writers, musician, artists and so will go covert with a small and personal collection of fans and clients. The days of mass production for the public at large are over. The moment a creative works go public is the moment they'll lose control over that work and cease earning income from that work. The 21st century will not have rock stars but it will have neighborhood heroes.
I think "real" artists are going to go back to traditional arts (Painting, Live music, Architecture, Sculpting, etc). While the corporate art world tosses out the majority of their human artists. Hopefully this'll cause people to bring art back into our public spaces as they've mostly grown ugly from neglect due to artists going digital.
And as a side note, I think the traditional book publishing industry is actually one of the few art industries equipped enough to keep human authors floating. Publishers are the way forward for human artists.
The best way to recognize non-AI generated works of text is the inclusion of mind bendingly gratuitous sexual content. A machine has yet to master the thirst, so perversion has just become the best authentication method.
Reality has a sick sense of humor, don't it?
If folks really want AI content, surely they can churn that stuff out at home, can't they?
As long as we have channels like this I'm confident we can navigate this storm. Just do your do diligence and spend your money were it counts.
And Here I was, an artist thinking of of starting looking for jobs related to stuff I've been training in for almost my entire life and to start building a true portfolio... And I can't even start because AI art is cheaper. Great...
Dude, nothing can make your already purchased books worthless. You can still play them regardless of whatever nonsense you are making up.
Good job not watching the video.
Rapid fire commenting I see
I'm not that surprised. Roleplaying outside of video games is hilariously expensive and abusive of its customers.
Only if you want. You can play ttrpgs and just buy some dice and make the rest up based on a free system like Cairn.
@@BanjoSick True. There are many great, cheap games out there
How do you conclude it's more expensive? One of the main criticisms of WOTC right now is that they're new platform will contain micro transactions and subscriptions. The vast majority of RPG's just require you to purchase a single rulebook for the same price as a video game.
@@irishthump73 Many RPG video games are for sale on Steam for cheap prices, and modders and indie developers can make their own RPGs rather easily.
Well, that really depends on how you justify that argument. I would actually disagree. Table top RPGs can be one of the most cost effective mediums of entertainment that currently exist. We can take DnD as an example, but this applies to any AAA published system (Pathfinder included). If I'm a GM, I realistically need to purchase 3 books (PBH, DMG and MM). Those three books give me 100% of what I need to run a full-on DnD campaign (actually an unlimited number of them). So, if I run a campaign once every other week, I will have run 26 sessions of the course of a year. That means I spent around $5.75 per session with most sessions being 4 hours or so (that seems to be the average I could find) - and that entertains 3 to 7 people on average.
If I go to a movie, at minimum is is going to cost me around $10.00 for two hours of entertainment. That is without buying popcorn and a drink. If I buy a book to read, it is going to cost me around $12 for around 6 hours of entertainment. Sure, I can read the book as many times as I want, but all following read throughs are never as entertaining as the first since you know what is going to happen. Going out on the town could easily cost me $100 or more for a single night.
So, while the buy in might seem high, the actual cost over a year is about as good a deal as you can get, either as a GM or a player.
Now, one might argue that most people will buy more than just the basic books. They will want the splat books to improve their options. This is true, but like popcorn and soda at a movie, it is a purely voluntary expense and is NOT required to play the game. Further, a group can split the cost of the book(s) and bring the overall cost per player down a lot more. This is true of the core books as well. You do NOT NEED one player's handbook per player. Sure, it is convenient, but it is a voluntary expense that is NOT required to play.
The costs associated with gaming are no different than the costs associated with any other hobby. How much you put into it is something you must decide. Sure, putting more money into it MAY get you a better experience, but that is highly subjective (with some exceptions in some hobbies where cost often equates to quality of final product - I'm looking at you astrophotography).
But that being said, the crux of this video is right, but for reasons no one realizes. If one thinks the outputs of things like ChatGPT are pretty good right now - what is coming down the pipeline in systems that are not even known to the general public yet, are terrifying. And the problem of language models eating their own seems to have been solved to a massive extent - especially when you are developing systems that are specialized in specific types of content. It is going to get a lot worse than anyone realizes.
I'm an artist, started drawing when I was 5 or 6 and it was my main hobby since then, so about 33 years doing art, mostly digital these days but I still love good old oil paints as well.
Anyway I said that so I could say this: I love AI art generation, I think its wonderful and I hope it keeps getting better. I also hope it gets regulated properly, but I doubt it will. I don't think it will take my job, in fact I know it won't due to the nature of my job, but I worry for others and would suggest those folks start taking steps to protect themselves going forward.
The final outcome of this will most likely be that the quality of AI created content will improve, and the job of the creatives will be to sculpt the output and train the AI. The people who want to write books will write books that connect with their audience in the way that AI is not really able to, and there will likely be a market for that as well. Unfortunately, most developers are going to have to create some sort of walled garden for their player base, which will ultimately lead to stronger communities, but less travel between communities as there will likely be some form of cost associated in acquiring or maintaining your citizenship in the garden.
AI is for those who are lazy or unskilled. Period.
Cameras are for those who are unskilled with paintbrushes
@@LightPink techno-progressive burn!
Lol
@@LightPink well it is
Unskilled in an area perhaps. But it's useful for small groups to make a finished product. You could be a good author, but a bad artist and use AI to make cover art for your novel for instance. Maybe you're good at drawing but use AI to help you generate dialog for your comic book. Few people are good in all areas, and AI can be good to fill in the gaps.
@@LightPinkNot comparable at all. Being a good photographer still takes years of experience. It takes time to learn composition, lighting, appealing angles, the rule of 3rds, etc. Being a "good" AI creator takes a few hours.
Our only D&D saw a lot of investment but drowned due not to AI but to single page cash ins of recent WOTC books.
AI art is valid and while we at Stygian Fox dont use it, it does seem that SOME artists who are the most vocal are angry that theyre not being hired anyway. Our books are full of stock art because we're left with 2 choices: pay artists an amount we cant afford, or have no art. Both would kill our business. The RPG industry is so saturated that sales are a lot lower than in the 80s and profits are hard to come by. This means theres less money to spend on art, editors, spellcheckers, etc.
The sad thing is, its coming, and those who complain, rightly or wrongly, are just gonna seem like luddites.
I started my adult life as a graphic designer (supplanted by Photoshop), then as a cartographer (supplanted by libraries and Google), and unless we go 'bespoke' and see all but the top 1% of writers and artists employed, then its game over.
AI is nothing but a filter to sift out bad artists, bad writers, and bad companies.
AI isn't a filter, it literally just destroys the industry from the ground-up. Using ChatGPT or MidJourney isn't really a skill that an "artist" or "writer" exclusively has. It's something that takes like 2 days to learn max. Once AI hits the point where nobody can tell the difference between it and you, your AI art-riddled books will hit the slush pile and nobody will want them. They'll be able to generate their _own_ in seconds and you'll have wasted your time and money, while _also_ contributing to the death of art. You shouldn't be so in-favor of this SkyNet shit.
AI art is not valid.
The more I hear about Wizard's VTT the more I'm glad my group meets in person.
Hopefully, like most things in life it will peak and fall back to an acceptable level based on demand. I like to call it "Simulated Intelligence." I think that's more accurate.
This was a great video. Have a like.
Two thing to mention on the other hand:
First, do not discourage you potential for art. If you try, you may eventually become a great artist. Well, if you have the time and passion.
Second, the Ai art stuff was actually predicted by several stories. The 2000AD comic actually predicted AI art, with the short Kenny Who? stories concentrating on this topic, and the damage it does to creatives. And those were writen in the 1980s.
3:18 It's so magical to drive artists out of business.
I guess you're just going to ignore the rest of the video where I talk about all the problems of AI content then? >.>
Why? Why is it magical to have millions of people out of jobs? Also, artists are not the only ones threatened, most administrative, creative, intellect focused work is going to be affected in the future.
Once the technology is good enough, it'll just change what "artist" means. The only ones that'll go out of business are the ones that refuse to adapt.
How about this for today: AI art is kind of shit with things like hands and eyes. So why can't an artist just sell retouches instead of / in addition to whole works? Like instead of selling a whole portrait, have them bring your or generate your own AI portrait and use actual artistic skill to unfuck it? EZPZ, still the same size market, less actual work per project~
"Today, AI is the worst it will ever be again."
If you're still mad, just ponder on the transfer of industry between horse drawn carriages and automobiles.
@@jessehatred3667People like you will truly never understand how much it hurts to be pushed out of the only thing you enjoy being a legitimate job until it inevitably happens to you.
Good luck in 10-30 years. You'll be sorry you let this happen to creatives once whatever your passion job is ruined by AI or robotics :)
@@jessehatred3667 it isn't necessarily less work to fix things, that's an art director job and they are often senior artists who are well paid, the art industry is already incredibly hard for new people to get in, Ai will just make it nearly impossible for entry level people.
Also, people more often than not don't want to pay for commisions which are completely done by someone, why would they want to pay for retouches?
Hell, I'm a tattoo artist and often people disregard all the work and the equipment I need to use and want free tattoos and I can't actually show receipts telling them how much I give to the studio I work on, How much it costs to get there, how much a cartridge costs , among other things.
AI lacks creativity and critical thinking. You can use it as inspiration or a jumping off point, but I can't imagine using anything AI generated as a finished product. That's just plain lazy.
Yeah, the honour system has problems. But all it takes to make it work is the ability for users to report violations and the platform to ban those publishers responsible.
Basically, you tell publishers 'these are the rules', and then you follow the usual procedures for enforcing such things: maybe you forgive the ocasional slip up that is corrected when it's pointed out (maybe someone else snuck something past them, after all), but repeated violations are a clear sign of a bad actor, and an honour system works just fine if you can flat out ban bad actors from participating upon detecting them.
Works just fine so long as the scale of operations isn't so large that you have to start automating the process just to keep up.
I won't say much about the visual arts aspects, mostly because I am openly and loudly critical of the idea that my text must be festooned with extraneous graphics. On that front, the thing most resent is the validity of the idea; the art does sell copy, even when it doesn't do anything to support what is being conveyed within the text. I think the text issue is a much shorter term problem. In the near term, AI will can be trained to suss out AI written texts; and, that will catch most of it. However, in the longer term, AI will be like any other author; it can register and maintain its own copyright. I don't mean these trained language models that are currently being called AI; I mean when we actually get one that at least needs to be granted the legal status of personhood (which has nothing to do with whether or not the entity in question is thought to have the moral/philosophical status of personhood).
There's nothing wrong with AI art, and Ai, but it's not always accurate. A professional artist or artist in general can usually produce quality.
I think I agree with you a bit here. AI art feels like exactly what she described in the video. A placeholder that can feign quality to someone who wouldn't get anywhere close to even that far on their own or for people who don't want to take the time to learn an entire craft just to supplement their main free time activity or hire someone for commissions because they're spending all their money on content for said free time activity.
AI art is a "means to an end" not the "be all end all" and the only reason an AI generated RPG adventure would do well compared to a AI generated book or show is that the adventure lets the DM and players add the characterization as opposed to the robot not grasping that subtle nuance.
I feel like it all serves a purpose, but the more quality craved, the less likely AI content will be sought after. And if these websites that sell the stuff offer comments or reviews on the page, people can talk about it. Heck they can talk about it on Reddit or Twitter too especially if Wizards tries passing off AI content as not AI content.
@@AcePlaysTCGs
While people talk about AI vs Artists, unfolding reality is Artists who use AI vs Artists who don't.
It's a tool, and if you give a tool in the hands of a professional the result will be always better than the tool used by a nobody with no idea, no vision, no knowledge and no eye.
@@ChristianIce That's true. Me with an electric drill vs my grandpa with an electric drill yields two different outcomes lol. Granted anyone can take the time to learn how to use the tool, it does take time. And there will be errors along the way. And in those errors is even more room for learning. I'd like to think the entire AI arena could be utilized well once we've worked out all the kinks and growing pains.
@@ChristianIcethat really isn't true. Eventually the only difference between a "professional" using AI and a "novice" will be a few hours of learning how to prompt jockey (which, in of itself will become less and less of an issue as ChatGPT becomes the best prompt writer possible.)
Folks are always so fucking vague when they say shit like this because they know it's patently bullshit.
@@damienthonk1506
Doesn't make sense, AI will improve, but the artists using AI will be always a step forward.
It's an additional value that exists no matter how good AI is.
1st woo!
I use ai art generator for important pieces of my game but I've also used chagpt to stat out a boss monster "Fungal Matron".
Why do you need it, dont you have enough imagination to stat out the monster on your own? or ask people for help as to what the stats would be?
Are you unable to come up with ideas on your own? unable to do a bit of research? or heck, just roll some dice?
@@artsveiman7776 because I've been running games for 20 odd years and I experiment with new tools. The monster itself came from my imagination as did its tactics and abilities. I just had it do the raw numbers work.
Honestly Chat GPT is great to save you time on busywork. Want a rough idea for a CR 5 drow warlock, but don't want to bother typing an entire statblock, just tell the AI to do it.
@@taragnor exactly
@@taragnor If you feel that DnD is work as opposed to fun, then DnD is not the game you want.
If expending braincells to come up with a story or character idea is too much for you, then you should stick to something that requires you to think as little as possible.
the sundial guy got me... lol... great video ... ( this was not written by AI ) ;)
They took our jerbs !
The drive to AI driven content is being pushed by two factors: companies experiencing sales drops because of inflation and people not being willing to put out $60 for a 30 page pdf of samey dreck put out by corporate writers, and “artists” who want $500 for a three inch square piece of art that looks like it was made by a three year old with finger paints. Both parties have priced themselves out of the market for the level of material they produce. AI is cheap, fast, and if it turns out a total turd, you lose relatively nothing in tossing it and trying again.
I'd take $500 finger paintings over A.I. dreck.
AI is the polar opposite of DnD.
DnD is something meant to be creative and promote creativity and allow people to expand their creative skills
it is also a game for people to have fun while creating it; so If you need a computer to procedurally generate your content you are
1- lacking the creativity
2- have no interest in being creative,
3- just simply find DnD a tedious game
So, dont play it, this is NOT the game for you.
its like wanting to play Warhammer, but dont want to assemble and paint the miniatures.
GTFO and dont ruin the game for the rest of us.
I agree with you, but what if someone wants to paint/build a mini, but doesn't have access to it
(I.e. those figurines aren't sold in their gaming store, they don't have a TTRPG/gaming store near them, the prices are obscenely inflated, etc)
I know this was meant as an analogy, but we have to keep in mind that not everyone can access those materials or do those tasks.
In the far flung future, archeologists will be tasked with collecting the varied sacred oral sets of house rules that managed to survive the disintegration of the rpg books/digital archives. Hundred year old dotters will be urged to speak at great length into recording devices so the rich tapestry of what little remains of the great RPG age might not slide quietly into oblivion.
Or.... the genie is out of the box and story telling will just adapt.
I use mythic rpg system solo. Everything in my world is made up out of thin air. Suck it A.I…. Then again we may be in a simulation…. Damnit.
you people just need to play other games. So many better games out there than DnD
That's the point of this video, bud. The number one site for providing non-D&D content is being inundated with A.I. written bullspit, and is wholly unprepared to try and filter it out. If this site becomes unreliable as a marketplace of non-D&D-related source material, people may abandon the hobby due to lack of creative support, or (gods forbid) turn to WotC for their RPG fix.
Anxiety attack due to this
I'd rather have "Breaking Bad, but in Space" personally, but France is cool too.
Orwell actually did foretell a future where the only creative works allowed were those made by computers. All the books and music, etc. And the worst part is the average person was just fine with it, singing the songs the computers wrote as they went about their work. 1984.