Wizards Just Revealed a D&D Nightmare. Everyone cheered…

Поділитися
Вставка
  • Опубліковано 14 кві 2023
  • PATREON: / discourseminiatures
    TWITCH: / discoursegames
    WARGAMING: / @discourseminis
    DISCORD: / discord
    UK AFFILIATE: affiliates.waylandgames.co.uk...
    TIPS: ko-fi.com/discourse
    MERCH: discourse-miniatures.creator-...
    Affiliate links that I have put in the description of this video link to those companies that I myself have purchased from and had good dealings with as a consumer. I would recommend these companies! These help support the channel, and don't cost you anything to use, so if you're going to feed your plastic addiction, this is a great way to do so!
    All images belong to their respective owners.
    ✘ Title: Covert Affair ✘ Music: Kevin MacLeod ✘ License: CC BY 3.0 (goo.gl/BlcHZR) ✘ Download: incompetech.com/music/royalty-...

КОМЕНТАРІ • 594

  • @walterstarr1588
    @walterstarr1588 Рік тому +384

    Remember, Microsoft said that Windows 10 was the last edition of Windows there would ever be, all you will get are updates, with two major upgrades each year. We all saw how that worked out.

    • @opscontaylor8195
      @opscontaylor8195 Рік тому +26

      Oh, yeah, I remember.
      I also remember calling bullshit and no one believing me.

    • @AnonAdderlan
      @AnonAdderlan Рік тому +24

      And #WotC is full of Microsoft execs now.

    • @nickm9102
      @nickm9102 Рік тому +8

      What do you expect from the same people who brought you that lie? But look on the bright side. You will own your D&D materials like you own your Microsoft Office materials.

    • @Awol991
      @Awol991 Рік тому +4

      Greed wins, every time.

    • @timothyquinn4919
      @timothyquinn4919 Рік тому +1

      I can't play space marine Microsoft are bunch of heritics and it's unplayable on 11.

  • @TheDungeonMinister
    @TheDungeonMinister Рік тому +55

    I like how her accent makes "content creators" sound like "content critters." I want the stats for content critters, because they sound delightful.

    • @dungeonsanddiscourse
      @dungeonsanddiscourse  Рік тому +12

      me too :D

    • @agentarclight3016
      @agentarclight3016 Рік тому +5

      Here you go!
      Content Critters
      Small beast, unaligned
      Armor Class: 12
      Hit Points: 10 (3d6)
      Speed: 30 ft.
      STR DEX CON INT WIS CHA
      4 (-3) 14 (+2) 10 (+0) 2 (-4) 10 (+0) 4 (-3)
      Skills: Perception +2
      Senses: passive Perception 12
      Languages: -
      Challenge: 1/4 (50 XP)
      Traits
      Pack Tactics
      The Content Critter has advantage on an attack roll against a creature if at least one of the Content Critter's allies is within 5 feet of the creature and the ally isn’t incapacitated.
      Keen Hearing and Smell
      The Content Critter has advantage on Wisdom (Perception) checks that rely on hearing or smell.
      Actions
      Bite
      Melee Weapon Attack: +4 to hit, reach 5 ft., one target.
      Hit: 4 (1d4 + 2) piercing damage.
      Scratch
      Melee Weapon Attack: +4 to hit, reach 5 ft., one target.
      Hit: 4 (1d4 + 2) slashing damage.
      Content Creator (1/day)
      The Content Critter can create a 10-foot radius area of bright light as a bonus action. Every creature within the area must make a Wisdom saving throw (DC 10). On a failed save, the creature is charmed by the Content Critter for 1 minute. While charmed, the creature must use its turn to move towards the Content Critter's position or to take the Dash or Disengage action, if it cannot move closer. A creature can repeat the saving throw at the end of each of its turns, ending the effect on itself on a success.

  • @jled787
    @jled787 Рік тому +88

    To be more accurate, they had a technical issue that delayed their presentation so to avoid "dead air" they opened up to accept questions from the content creators. And boy did that backfire beautifully.

    • @JacksonOwex
      @JacksonOwex Рік тому +4

      Everything they've done to "fix the problem" has only made things worse! You'd think SOMEONE in a multi-BILLION dollar company would realize that they just need to STOP trying to "fix" the problems, most people have gone right on back to D&D anyway, sadly!
      I don't know what the hell she's seen on Bob World Builder's Channel to make her think he's stopped with 5E, he's done a FEW videos about other games but still is pumping out that D&D content as if nothing has changed. Perhaps I missed something and she wasn't trying to imply that Bob had changed his content.
      DM Lair(Is it singular or possessive DM?) has only RECENTLY started to do videos that aren't D&D related, though it could just be a one off for him too!

    • @irrevenant3
      @irrevenant3 Рік тому +2

      @@JacksonOwex I just found my way here here from the DM Lair video that said he's consciously moving away from D&D in favour of Pathfinder and details his reasons why: ua-cam.com/video/H9rEJiAFXY4/v-deo.html
      P.S. It's "The DM Lair".

    • @kagato23
      @kagato23 Рік тому

      @@JacksonOwex ideological stances are all well and good but money is money. Also as third-party you’re not necessarily giving WOTC money in fact, you’re definitely not unless you are on DMsguild

  • @michaelgorham2100
    @michaelgorham2100 Рік тому +56

    The change from "ONE D&D" to "Just D&D" is a bait and switch, IMO.
    They wanted to use the OGL change to monopolize their game. They got caught. They were likely going to use the new edition to promote their monopoly and VTT and create their walled garden with Whales they could milk for the coming decade. But since they flopped, they now are pretending that ONE D&D wasn't anything more than a rules update.
    They will wait a few years, draft up a license similar to the 4e GSL (since they can't do the OGL anymore, and the ORC is going to be a stable replacement anyway), then start releasing "D&D Premium" as a new edition ONLY available to digital subscribers (Why pay for print when you can replicate PDFs for free?), and have this truly new edition, which will probably look more like 4e than 5e (but will "feel" evolved from 5e) made under the stringent new license they make.
    Which will probably also have clauses for not sharing PDFs, if they can get away with it...

    • @TexasFriedCriminal
      @TexasFriedCriminal Рік тому +1

      It's also pretty unjust, that D&D....

    • @aartadventure
      @aartadventure Рік тому +1

      100% this. It also means they can stop putting much effort into it (since it isn't going to earn them lots of money), and instead focus secretly on their new evil plan. And trust me, with their new hires such as the former Microsoft CEO, they have evil plans. The first of which will be insane microtransactions associated with their VTT.

    • @kagato23
      @kagato23 Рік тому +2

      They really won’t though. Not because of any sudden growth of conscience, but pure pragmatism. What you describe is sticking your hand back in the flame after 2nd degree burns. It won’t work and they actually know that now. Any new license will simply trigger this again no matter what name it falls under. Creative Commons was a self-crippling to prove they couldn’t do what you just described
      Also they won’t make it like 4e because 4e was their biggest flop.

    • @michaelgorham2100
      @michaelgorham2100 Рік тому +1

      @kagato23 WotC has made multiple "flops" in business despite proof that these moves are unsuccessful.
      Proof of that is 4e directly. 4e was made to monopolize D&D and create a VTT that would ultimately make WotC the premiere TTRPG. In addition, in doing so, they created the GSL in the hopes that it would make obsolete the OGL 1.0a
      The result was that 4e pushed extant fans away to their biggest competitor, which used the OGL 1.0a to maintain the product line of WotC's most successful edition, 3.5
      So what did WotC just try to do?
      Monopolize D&D and make it the premiere TTRPG that functions simultaneous to a VTT. They also tried to remove their previous mistake of leaving the OGL available for competitors to use by trying to effectively kill it.
      You say that they used the CC license as a pragmatic move to show good will.
      I say they used the CC to attain their goal, and 5e was a sacrifice to do exactly what they intended all along: kill the OGL.
      Now that the OGL is no longer in primary use, aka effectively defunct, they can determine to withhold FUTURE content from being placed under the CC in order to make it impossible for competitors to monetize, and they have been released from the obligation to use the OGL anymore.
      What's more is that they have a big sugar daddy (Hasbro) to pay to scoop up creators that used to work for their primary competitors. Which foolishly published under the OGL, and will also publish under the ORC, so WotC is free to "borrow" creativity from their competition...
      Which is what they intended to do with their OGL "update" anyway.
      Yes, this move is pragmatic. It is cheaper to use a CC because they don't have to hire lawyers to resolve any document issues, they get exactly what they want anyway (the OGL removed by default of using the CC), they are free now to use a GSL in future content without concern, they still get to steal competitors work if they want...
      WotC didn't stop making mistakes. They are continuing to make the same ones they have always made. They are just doing so more easily, and are enabled by circumstance. WotC's dream was content akin to 4e. Not mechanics wise, but based on the business model of it.
      And they will step on as many rakes as they need to to repeat their mistake and attain their goal.
      This is the second time, at least, that they have stepped on a rake to repeat history, and arguably the 4th time if you count the mistakes made in MtG land...

    • @kagato23
      @kagato23 Рік тому

      @@michaelgorham2100 less goodwill and more the only move available with the realization that 0 trust existed for any new version even if all it did was update terms.
      WOTC tried with 4e. Hasbro tried with 5e. Different management needing to learn the same lesson. Shareholders might be the god who needs appeasement but the shareholders don’t like it when the banks are saying the company’s making bad decisions with their IPs. And feedback where 86% dissatisfaction with a boycott attached was in the LEAST objected to change is a fairly clear picture painter. Any content they produce not using the license will immediately be red flagged, by those like you who are sure they will do it. They won’t do it
      because they can’t. They have run a successful business for the most part. They aren’t idiots despite making idiot moves recently, at least collectively. They didn’t need to “sacrificed the old OGL to not release stuff under it anyway? So not sure how any of this would be strategy. They just tried to do that and we are here. I struggle to see how they failed to do this as a strategy to fail to do it. Maybe if they leaned into “6.0 new rules” but they have now made a point of saying it’s a 5e revision. Empasizing they will still use their “sacrificed” system makes it much harder and they many reasons not to do that if your read is accurate.
      The OGL 1.0a always allowed for Wizards to use other content put under their license as their own. They even included acknowledgment of that in the 2014 FAQ. Whatever else you want to say, we can’t say they abused it yet. As to paying money to scoop up competitors, okay? That’s just good business? Why wouldn’t they want to acquire proven talent for themselves?
      They still need lawyers, even when your position in a document issue is rock solid, if you go to court somebody has to be there for you.
      The problem is this isn’t rakes anymore. They tried, and sure if they could get their goal they’d have done so, but the rakes became a thorny hedge and the hedge is on perpetual fire. They might look for a way around it (probably by monetizing the VTT as much as they can and slapping proprietary on virtually anything you put in there, making it a Dmsguild where anything on there needs be exclusive, none of this is saying I trust them) but they won’t try to go through it.

  • @shadowhenge7118
    @shadowhenge7118 Рік тому +58

    I get the feeling like Wizards wants to get into the mobile game realm of nickle and diming you for a ton of stuff you can only keep using if you keep using thier software. It was ok with ttrpg because we could use our set pieces and minis however wanted to, make up our own, whatever. Now it'd be a walled garden where everything costs extra all of the time.

    • @DoinItforNewCommTech
      @DoinItforNewCommTech Рік тому +4

      Just watch the physical book releases become rarer and rarer, as all the player-facing content gets released as D&D Beyond-exclusive DLC. Maybe we'll get a "Tasha's Cauldron of Everything Else" physical compendium eventually, but book releases will go from quarterly, to yearly, before we know what's hit us. The quality won't improve, cuz they'll still be rushing out content online, but we'll just get less books. I'd bet money on this.

    • @Grigeral
      @Grigeral Рік тому +1

      @@nowayjosedaniel That costs money. They want to make all the money while spending as little as possible.

    • @kagato23
      @kagato23 Рік тому +1

      @@nowayjosedaniel no it’s not. The digitization aside, the play is inherently different. A video game doesn’t let you not-quite play by its rules for the sake of rule of cool. Or fail to let you do what’s in the rules cause the DM has a preference against that.

    • @kagato23
      @kagato23 Рік тому

      @@nowayjosedaniel but they’ve already seen with pissing off the main niche audience gets them games gotta sell. Either way they won’t be trying to convert a vtt into a video game.

    • @ChickenSoupMusic
      @ChickenSoupMusic Рік тому

      The CEO actually said so. She is a fan of monetizing the game in the same way video games are monetized. She is a terrible leader. She doesn’t understand the product or community.

  • @MrSkullhead1
    @MrSkullhead1 Рік тому +26

    It's not like Hasbro would set up an "open" marketplace, get third-party authors dependent upon it as a revenue stream and then change the terms to something more in line with what they wanted in the first place, would they?

    • @kagato23
      @kagato23 Рік тому +2

      I honestly believe they won’t based on simple pragmatism. The attempt to change failed. The attempt to change comparatively little failed because they lost all trust. They put it in creative comments as a offering from being defeated. They can’t change it now because the cc license means the creators can outright ignore it now. There is no take back. They’d have to make an entirely new system which they also backpedaled on for the same lack of trust.

  • @shastamcnasty2159
    @shastamcnasty2159 Рік тому +27

    Been playing a fusion of v. 1 -5e for years with my group.. we don't ever NEED to buy anything.. most of it comes from us and just the core books of most editions. People should remember DND is only supposed to be a framework for a collective exercise in problem solving and imagination. You can 100% play with a full custom rule set. Never needed any books we just "Thought" we did. A friend of mine went to college with Gary, my friends character is known as Salem (Druid). Gary asked him one day(long ago),"Are you a wizard or a druid?" To which my dear friend replied I think I'd like to be a druid. They spoke that day about high fantasy together and enjoyed storytelling... There were no dice only conversation. This friend of mine played a campaign from 1975~ until 2016 RIP friend. He taught many of us on V1 as this was the only one he cared to DM with. The best thing about V1 even with many of the appendices and extra books is that it's always presented itself as a guide, a "Suggestion". DMs and players need to collectively get back to the roots. Pick or create a set of rules you all agree on per each group and have fun, make experiences and memories. DnD is the most inexpensive game I own, I can play with only a 20sided and 2 d10 no books necessary. The framework for RPGs is there, explore it. Cheers, thanks for content as always~

  • @Romanus7867
    @Romanus7867 Рік тому +131

    My theory is that someone understands the power that "5e" has on the web. It's literal shorthand on the internet, and giving that up gives up some kind of virtual real estate that few companies have access to. It's really smart not to want to give up "5e".

    • @blshouse
      @blshouse Рік тому +13

      So was 3e, in its day. 3.5 was pretty well accepted, but 4e... That was what Hasbro/WotC are trying all over again. Because all the people who know better have retired.

    • @thecactusman17
      @thecactusman17 Рік тому +9

      It's literally shorthand in game stores since 3rd parties can't legally use the actual D&D logo.

    • @xczechr
      @xczechr Рік тому +2

      Not to mention that as soon as they say 6e, sales of the current books will drop off a cliff.

    • @Rabijeel
      @Rabijeel Рік тому +1

      It is. As "5e" has become a common Brand and thus looses Protection by Law even more - which they wanted to counteract with that ridiculous "newOGL".
      "ONE D&D" is burned beyond recognition as "Unifying" did not go well - so now a better approach, a more lenient and casual - is demanded - "Just D&D".
      Just D&D will be then Brand to the "5e" as "3.5" is to many others.
      If they just lable their Books "5e compatible" it is a free Ad Slogan coming along the Rebranding they did - and it changed a lot, and we all can parttake in shaping that Future with hate and disdain or with careful trust and covered creidit we give - as we ought to be the "Heroes" here and not the "Villians" - and Wizzard is the King, so to speak.

    • @Shalakor
      @Shalakor Рік тому +1

      @@nowayjosedaniel You can basically type any string of words into google while including "5e" and the results will prioritize trying to find D&D content.

  • @cumulus1869
    @cumulus1869 Рік тому +11

    3:18 "Something tells me like the, 'Pleasure Palace of the B'thuvian Demon Whore.'"-
    *immediately pauses video to google the shit out of that*

  • @LaserCat006
    @LaserCat006 Рік тому +43

    That "Dramatization" of the QA might be my favorite thing ever 😂😂😂. Amazing job 👏

    • @laughingpanda4395
      @laughingpanda4395 Рік тому

      Yeah it's amazing she seems to know exactly how it went even though she wasnt there 🙄
      Negative videos garner more views than positive. Shes selling you garbage and you're eating it up. Be better.

    • @rickbruner5525
      @rickbruner5525 Рік тому

      @@laughingpanda4395 So just how much is WotC paying you to shill for them?

    • @laughingpanda4395
      @laughingpanda4395 Рік тому

      @@rickbruner5525 I'm not. D&D has been a part of my life for over 30 years now. I dont throw that away so easily. Plus these videos are pure conjecture and others have come out with first hand experience that completely debunks all this bs. She sounds like a jaded ex girlfriend and I find it annoying.
      What exactly did WotC ACTUALLY DO to you? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. In fact they almost made a mistake and ended up giving us more than we anticipated. So what's to be all pissy about exactly? Everything is going into creative commons so it's not as if they can even try it again so again I ask, what exactly did they do?

  • @jonathanfrank1812
    @jonathanfrank1812 Рік тому +24

    You are the highest quality example of the "person unreasonably emphatic next to a microphone" genre I have come across and I look forward to your future D&D focused rants. Subscribed!

  • @fernandozavaletabustos205
    @fernandozavaletabustos205 Рік тому +61

    I hope you can make a video on the ORC contents that Azura Law published, in order to not only focus on the negative parts of the TTRPG industry.

    • @chipsalom
      @chipsalom Рік тому +11

      I totally agree. Takes like this day in day our are really getting exhausting. Sadly, chucking hand grenades inspires more interaction and traffic than simply informing ppl.
      The rate at which pplz channels started to get noticed and increased in subs wasn't lost on reaction farming style channels.

    • @tiamatspawn4597
      @tiamatspawn4597 Рік тому +2

      Don't think they will do that. Negativity sells and that's all they've been doing since the OGL fiasco. Although Social Blade does say their views are dwindling and they haven't had a video hit 100k since the OGL discourse. Honestly hope channels like this go the way of the dinosaur. Its just tripe drama to get clicks.

    • @tiamatspawn4597
      @tiamatspawn4597 Рік тому

      @@nowayjosedaniel its click bait and negativity. you're just to strung up in it to see that. a lot of what you and this channel is saying sounds like " DnD too popular now gerrrr play other game!" comes off as very " you cant like that and you should feel bad for liking it"

    • @Dracobyte
      @Dracobyte Рік тому +2

      ​@@nowayjosedaniel More reason to promote other alternatives to D&D, highlight their differences and avoid oversaturation of drama channels that cover the TTRPG industry.

    • @Dracobyte
      @Dracobyte Рік тому +2

      ​@@tiamatspawn4597 yeah but negativity can only take you so far in results. It also damage your mental health, limiting your ability to enjoy positive yhing outside your work and getting you trapped in a viciously cirvle of hate and cinicism.
      I am not asking to stop covering news, but a variety of content would be welcomed.

  • @DoinItforNewCommTech
    @DoinItforNewCommTech Рік тому +14

    Once Chris Cox and the Tobacco Industry lady leave, some new executive will come in and want to leave their mark. Which will mean a new edition. This ALWAYS happens with live services.

    • @Rabijeel
      @Rabijeel Рік тому

      Then we should make it clear what we want and how the new one can cvontribute, leave his mark and do not harm rather than enrich the whole Shebang - like Gamers should do, right?
      But hey, New Players are always Spotlighthoggers, lets hate our GM for the new Player he might bring one day - that sure is healthy, right?

  • @mrgunn2726
    @mrgunn2726 Рік тому +13

    You noticed WotC's legerdemain did you. Glad someone did, they also said the only way to get hardcopy books going forward would be if you signed up for DnDBeyond. While we are whinging on about coporate control of market places and about WizBro's ham handed machinations, what about the near monopoly of OneBookShelf hmm... Good video Discourse, thanks for keeping us informed!

    • @Newnodrogbob
      @Newnodrogbob Рік тому

      Really? That makes very little sense considering their stance on supporting your friendly local game store…

  • @maggintons
    @maggintons Рік тому +57

    Im not worried about third parties going to D&D Beyond, theres enough players in the world who know how to buy books from other storefronts, My main fear is players becoming over reliant on D&D beyond. Its literally the only way I keep track of D&D spells.

    • @davidburns9766
      @davidburns9766 Рік тому +11

      Gamemaster 5 app is a great tool, or we also use 5e tools. I hate DnDbeyond with a passion

    • @nickm9102
      @nickm9102 Рік тому +2

      I have several apps on my phone for character sheets and spells but it doesn't look like the guy who made it has kept up with it. As I have not seen anything from Tasha's or later for it. He only gave basics for making your own stuff so kinda time consuming to input new information.
      As for beyond I like it but now that WotC has it I'm more concerned about its usability for anything not "Official WotC" mainly because I don't want to manually input a subclass Feat or Item and find out WotC claimed it as their own.

    • @colinsmith1495
      @colinsmith1495 Рік тому +5

      @@nickm9102 I imagine he hasn't updated it because he doesn't have permission from WotC to do so and he needs that for legal reasons. It'd be cool to make a simple 'make your own in my app' option where you could just fill in everything from the books you own. It'd take a little work, but WotC never needs to know or care. HE didn't publish their works, THEY did.

    • @richedawg
      @richedawg Рік тому

      @@davidburns9766 My current DM relies on it. I refuse to use it.

    • @LHRPG_Official
      @LHRPG_Official Рік тому +3

      Unless you have books and spell cards

  • @tripp4130
    @tripp4130 Рік тому +22

    I am a Forever GM and I am in the process of transitioning from 5e to Pathfinder 2e. Third party creators make content that has a tendency to fix the bloated mess that is 5e that at least makes it playable. The OGL was the last straw with 5e, I'm out...

    • @mrgunn2726
      @mrgunn2726 Рік тому

      @Tripp I guess going from pooping in a field to pooping in an outhouse is an improvement. 🤨

    • @kagato23
      @kagato23 Рік тому

      Pathfinder trades bloat for convolution. Which admittedly is great if your an older D&D edition fan, that was its point. But it’s definitely harder to learn and draw in new people.
      The real rub is without getting too complicated it fixes some 5e balance issues and could be converted but won’t cause even if the license allows it it’s still pathfinder and pathfinder already did it.

    • @tripp4130
      @tripp4130 Рік тому

      @@kagato23 is there a game system you prefer over 5e?

    • @kagato23
      @kagato23 Рік тому

      @@tripp4130 right now, no. I miss 3.5 in a lot of ways but admit it has some of the same problems.

    • @mrgunn2726
      @mrgunn2726 Рік тому

      @@tripp4130
      Golden Thrones: ICRPG, OSE, ShadowDark, D&D B/X, Low Fantasy Gaming, EZD6, Hyperboria.
      American Standards: Cthulhu Darkages, Savage Worlds, Deathbringer, DungeonWorld, Fantasy Age, Witcher,
      Toto Bidets: GURPs, HarnMaster, WHFRP, DCC

  • @TalesAscen
    @TalesAscen Рік тому +15

    I'm still gonna call it D&D 6th edition for 3 reasons. 1, it's been almost 10 years since 5th came out, as opposed to the time between 3 to 3.5. 2, yes the 2014 PHB will still be "relevant" but at the same time they have changed too much. 3, 3.5 was a lot of fixing really broken things like nerfing spells like haste and time stop.

    • @arphod
      @arphod Рік тому

      I don't understand how 3.0 Haste made it out of playtesting.

    • @kagato23
      @kagato23 Рік тому

      It’s a 5.75! 😂😊

  • @dlaserus
    @dlaserus Рік тому +7

    Wizards will never run out of content for this edition, just look at how they have been putting content for it so far. Each book simply recycles (often with changes) content from other books. This is Wizard's plan for dnd going forward. They will never run out of content, because they can always just use old content to fill it! And if people like he old content, they will just like this new stuff more in an infinite feedback loop of money. . . I mean love!

  • @samsinger5135
    @samsinger5135 Рік тому +8

    My guess is that they pulled back about the new OGL and now trying to bring it around the other way in a sweeter looking way

  • @BeckJoseR
    @BeckJoseR Рік тому +21

    I'm just a Grognard, but I've seen the game I love get destroyed as it's popularity gets bigger.
    Started as a group of people who got made fun of for playing a game that we loved. Then, those people want in on it and decide to completely ruin it.
    Bring back my half-elf fighting evil orcs. Stop bringing your real life into the fantasy story. Leave it at the door.

    • @JacksonOwex
      @JacksonOwex Рік тому

      Amen Brother! I miss the days of being ostracized and having to hide that I play D&D, and other TTRPGs(even back then I wanted more)!

    • @iantaran2843
      @iantaran2843 Рік тому +1

      🤘
      The third party OSR community is the only thing that keeps the game alive for me.
      Astonishing Swordsmen and Sorcerers of Hyperborea is life.

    • @Dracobyte
      @Dracobyte Рік тому

      Have you considered trying other games? If so, which one would you recommend?

    • @user-qd8yy9lc4g
      @user-qd8yy9lc4g Рік тому

      Have you ever considered that you never leave your real life? Nor does anyone? You just don't have anything in D&D that would pull you out of character and make you think about your own life experiences, and think that having such things is wrong somehow?

    • @iantaran2843
      @iantaran2843 Рік тому +2

      @@user-qd8yy9lc4g I think you have entirely missed homies point. 😅
      Sorry for whatever your investment in this is.

  • @nobillismccaw7450
    @nobillismccaw7450 Рік тому +8

    So, when they realised part of their company was making profit, they set out to destroy that part.

    • @daedalus6796
      @daedalus6796 Рік тому +1

      It wasn't making 'enough' profit was the issue.

  • @charlesvincent4127
    @charlesvincent4127 Рік тому +15

    Well, It seems to me that the new VTT is in beta/pre-beta in terms of development so flexibility and customizability would be basically nil much like prerelease games that people buy and test. I am glad that the creators were holding their feet to the fire though.
    Edit
    Really got a laugh out of the female version of Ozzy princess of darkness as the Dr. evil of the Hasbro Corp lol.

  • @frankb3347
    @frankb3347 Рік тому +1

    Around here we call that "getting them on the reservation".

  • @SilentSooYun
    @SilentSooYun Рік тому +3

    6:20 SEGA!
    Okay, the joke doesn't really work in print, but to those that remember the adverts...

  • @diegotartaglia
    @diegotartaglia Рік тому +7

    Your mr Hasbro dramatization was amazing. Totally nailed, the way I imagine it.

  • @Nemhyz
    @Nemhyz Рік тому +14

    Saying half races are inherently racist is basically saying interracial relationships are wrong/no longer going to be in the system... Which is ACTUALLY kinda racist lmao. Dude put his whole foot in his mouth with that one

    • @dzmitry_k
      @dzmitry_k Рік тому +3

      The problem is not with the existence of mixed-race people, but with how they're described in DnD. "Half-elf" assumes that human is the default (otherwise we'd call them "half-elf half-human", but half-human part is ignored because humans are default). What is racist is the idea that some race is the "default" and others are some obscure edge cases.
      I belive *that* was what the WotC people meant, although I guess the wording was not perfect.

    • @FlameQwert
      @FlameQwert Рік тому

      @@dzmitry_k so their solution is to have hard racial bonus mechanics locked to a specific race so that half race characters are not "actually" half but SOLELY one or the other... which is even more bio-essentialist and downright victorian eugenicist lmaooo

    • @JacksonOwex
      @JacksonOwex Рік тому +1

      @@dzmitry_k Since when? I've always wondered about Half-orc Dwarves, and half-elf gnomes(though gnomes are kind of just half elf and half dwarf anyway). I never realized how simple minded the rest of the world was!
      But yeah, you keep letting WotC/Hasbro gaslight you into thinking they are just despicable pieces of crap!

    • @dzmitry_k
      @dzmitry_k Рік тому

      ​@@JacksonOwex "Since when?" - this discourse is several decade long, if not longer. People have been criticising the concept of race in fantasy, and in DnD specifically, for decades. Maybe you ignored them, but really, there has been a lot of discourse around it for ages.
      And if you're talking about WotC, see what they actually said: "the half construction is inherently racist". The problem is *not* with mixed races, the problem is with the construction DnD is using to represent them. You're totally overblowing it.

    • @irrevenant3
      @irrevenant3 Рік тому

      @@JacksonOwex That you've "always wondered about half-orc Dwarves and half-elf gnomes" after some 50+ years of the game is *because* D&D has never covered them and "half-X" has always assumed the other half is human. IIRC, some sources even say that humans are the only race that can interbreed with others.

  • @novasiri7809
    @novasiri7809 Рік тому +11

    Something about the half-race removal that some friends of mine pointed out...
    Teiflings.
    They are THE Half-Race and the most popular one. Sooo.. if they're doing away with them,. does that just make Teiflings full playable Devils?? Not too great on WotC's part if they're still fighting the whole 'Satanic Panic'. That'll go over well.
    'Hey Billy what are you playing?'
    'Oh you know, the literal spawn of satan.'
    '.. Oh.'

    • @cronykil74
      @cronykil74 Рік тому +3

      I will now exclusively play trans teifling lore bards (librarians). Take that Florida/Texas/Tennessee/et al.

    • @novasiri7809
      @novasiri7809 Рік тому +1

      @@cronykil74 Hell yeah!!!

    • @maeve615
      @maeve615 Рік тому

      It's not that mixed parentage don't/won't exist. The term "half-XYZ" has racist connotations of some race being considered the 'default' or "normal" race. "Half-breed" was (and still is in some areas) common real world slur against people with mix parentage. People kind of need to slow down for 10min to understand what is actually going on & what the context is. But what I see a lot of is people falling in to some variation of 'their taking away this thing I like!' with out further examination. And I get it, a lot of people resist letting go of familiar things when the change is nuanced in its genesis & they have an strong emotional investment.

    • @eyeofbraille4659
      @eyeofbraille4659 Рік тому +2

      @@maeve615 With respect, you're talking rubbish. "Half-breed" hasn't even been considered an offensive term for very long (and still isn't, by most people who don't have a problem with human comingling or an ideological axe to grind), let alone a phrase that has long-standing use as a slur. There are other, much worse and much more common, much more specific slurs that were used for people of mixed ancestry in times and places where this was both common and viewed with disapproval. On the contrary, "half-breed" was seen as clinical or neutral language to the point where governments chose that as suitable phrasing for incorporation into the language of bills designed to promote the welfare of people of mixed ancestry, and some groups of people with mixed ancestry who wanted to advocate for their rights saw the term as fitting enough to use in the name of their organization, as when a group comprised of the children of indigenous Canadians and white settlers decided upon the name "Halfbreed Association of Northern Alberta" in 1932.
      It's almost as though the professor of language who originated the use of the term "half-elf" in fantasy knew more about the connotation of words than some rando at Wizards of the Coast did. Imagine that!

  • @jeffhatch679
    @jeffhatch679 Рік тому +8

    Great video! I always enjoy your snark.

  • @Wesley_Youre_a_Rabbit
    @Wesley_Youre_a_Rabbit Рік тому +6

    Once CR drops their own system, it’s over for the 5e hype, Wizards Hasbro will be GUTTED. 😆

    • @JacksonOwex
      @JacksonOwex Рік тому +1

      God I hope so!

    • @TheAchilles26
      @TheAchilles26 Рік тому +1

      ​@Carter Gabriel most of 5E's new players were brought in by Critical Role

    • @LB-yg2br
      @LB-yg2br Рік тому +2

      @@nowayjosedaniel unfortunately it IS that popular but I agree, I couldn’t make it past the first episode of campaign one because it was SOOO boring. Like, why would I want to watch other people that I don’t know play dnd??? Why wouldn’t I just go play it myself?

    • @nevisysbryd7450
      @nevisysbryd7450 Рік тому

      @@TheAchilles26 There is only anecdotal evidence of this. None of the information that we have points to a major increase in search engine traffic or sales for 5e around the time of Critical Role. In contrast, 5e's boom lines up very well with Stranger Things.

    • @nevisysbryd7450
      @nevisysbryd7450 Рік тому

      @@nowayjosedaniel Bob the Worldbuilder did some search engine research and there is no evidence of CR being significant from there, nor do the sales really line up temporally. Stranger Things appears (from very limited data) to have been the real major point of increased interest.

  • @hiro2protagonist
    @hiro2protagonist Рік тому +2

    Words are wind, except when they’re written, then they’re en-light-ending.
    Seriously, I’m gonna use that next time someone says some bs.

  • @iantaran2843
    @iantaran2843 Рік тому +5

    I didn't think I would find myself agreeing with the creator so much 🤣
    This is the first video I've watched and...
    My kinda humor and anarchy.

  • @dimitriid
    @dimitriid Рік тому +13

    The sad part is that well, you're right about everything you mentioned yet it won't matter at all: They still got the movie and that is doing rather well, so they actually *can* afford to burn down a couple of 100k influencers if they play their cards right and capitalie on the movie.

    • @MuRpHyKn0t
      @MuRpHyKn0t Рік тому +10

      The movie still hasn't made it's production budget back at the box office.

    • @colinsmith1495
      @colinsmith1495 Рік тому +2

      @@MuRpHyKn0t It also doesn't make profit for WotC, just attention. It makes profit for Paramount (pretty sure it was Paramount) who paid WotC for a license to make such a movie.

    • @Badjujubee
      @Badjujubee Рік тому +1

      The movie has had a catastrophic drop off in sales. They just timed it really bad between JW4 and Super Mario.

    • @JacksonOwex
      @JacksonOwex Рік тому

      @@colinsmith1495 Depends on what kind of agreement was made for the usage of the property owned by Hasbro.

    • @JacksonOwex
      @JacksonOwex Рік тому

      @@Badjujubee Timing has little to do with it. I a world where D&D is no longer ostracized as much as it used to be(there ARE still people out there that will hate on it) and most people have at least heard about it you're not going to draw people from outside in with a movie!
      If people wanted to check out D&D, they HAVE, if they don't want to check out D&D, no movie is going to make them think "Oh my God this movie was amazing! Now I HAVE to go spend 100 dollars to play this game!"

  • @christraven
    @christraven Рік тому +13

    SO glad I just sold off the last of my 5e stuff. Indie games, whether their systems are crap or not, just feel like they have more heart to them than the corporate stuff.

    • @JacksonOwex
      @JacksonOwex Рік тому

      SOME of your stuff MIGHT have still been useful. Though as crappy as 5E is as a system it's not very likely!

  • @pdubb9754
    @pdubb9754 Рік тому +4

    Its getting harder for me to get worked up about stuff since the creative commons thing. D&D has essentially become an a la carte system.

    • @tylerdurham6091
      @tylerdurham6091 Рік тому +1

      ​@@nowayjosedaniel let people play what they want

  • @daedalus6796
    @daedalus6796 Рік тому +7

    Hasbro are doing a brilliant job advertising Pathfinder.

  • @BouncingTribbles
    @BouncingTribbles Рік тому +11

    So when do you think they're going to actually just name it 5.5? I'm already calling it Five Point Five or Advanced Fifth when it comes up

    • @SamanthaAnnFox
      @SamanthaAnnFox Рік тому +2

      Please don't call it Advanced fifth edition. That's an insult to AD&D and I'm calling my improved 5th edition home ruleset that. I'd call WOTC version WOKE 5TH EDITION.

  • @ernestorodriguez3637
    @ernestorodriguez3637 Рік тому +1

    The frame to your glasses are projecting the background!

  • @panhandlersparadise1733
    @panhandlersparadise1733 Рік тому

    The Content Creator Summit was an absolute success! Everything is relative, I'm comparing it to Fyre Festival, not the first season of Real World on MTV.

  • @user-tp9gy8kt2q
    @user-tp9gy8kt2q Рік тому +1

    I thought that the title "One D&D" was some kind of inside joke, because THAT was the answer to the challenge that my fellow gamers would ask of a poser:
    "Yeah, I've played D&D before. I didn't think it was all that great, or all that difficult.."
    "Oh yeah? You played? But did you win..?!
    "Sure, yeah, I Won D&D.."
    "Oh, look fellas, he Won D&D.."
    And that's how we immediately knew he was a poser..
    So when I saw the term "One D&D" used, I had to suspect the use of it was actually a joke..
    Guess not..
    Or maybe it's a big joke on corporate D&D executives that have never actually played the damn game..
    Thanks for the "rant inside of a rant" content - I find it informative, insightful and amusing.

  • @thenight527
    @thenight527 Рік тому +5

    One word - pathfinder

    • @lukasl3440
      @lukasl3440 Рік тому +2

      Two words - Year Zero
      Four words - City of the Mist
      And other TTRPGs

    • @JacksonOwex
      @JacksonOwex Рік тому

      @@lukasl3440 City of Mist(is it "of the" or just "of"?) looks AWESOME! Wish I had money to get some of the books, and that I actually live somewhere that I could find people to play games with!

  • @jamesbarantor7094
    @jamesbarantor7094 Рік тому +1

    I'm still pretty convinced that they will be doing the service sooner with the move to beyond and that books will be released well after the rules are live on the subscription online services. I also wouldn't doubt all books will be "collector grade" and have a markup, so it drives folks to use the online versions and spend more money on microtransactions there.

  • @jaykarimi7123
    @jaykarimi7123 Рік тому +3

    Did no-one catch that selling on their platform or marketplace, same difference will be using the same rules as DM's guild? This means you give up not only half the $ but they own the rights to it. Did I misunderstand this because I'd think everyone would be up in arms about Hasbro/WOTC taking your rights to your product, like in the first OGL "draft." Why isn't anyone fighting or mentioning this?

    • @JacksonOwex
      @JacksonOwex Рік тому +2

      Obviously some people are, you just did! I did in one of the first few comments on the video.

    • @ScottBaker_
      @ScottBaker_ Рік тому

      The ownership part also matches how DDB functioned even before they were bought.

  • @VolgClawtooth
    @VolgClawtooth Рік тому +1

    as someone who owns D&D books from Dungeons and Dragons, Advanced Dungeons and Dragons, 3.0, 3.5 and 5..0.. Hasborg is past due for a flaming death or monopoly breakup...

  • @jthompson7175
    @jthompson7175 Рік тому

    This is Hasbro. They made a Transformers movie in the 80's and killed off most of the autobots in the first 20 minutes so they could sell more toys. There's no such thing as the end of editions. RIP Optimus Prime... until he had his rude awakening. (Anyone else watch Dr Smoov's videos? Those were the shit.)

  • @HighmageDerin
    @HighmageDerin Рік тому +2

    The people who still willingly continue to support Wizards of the Coast are now to be considered the scum of the Earth. I play DnD literally my entire life from the time I was a tiny teenager, And I mean that literally because I was a scrawny runt Constantly bullied throughout my life DnD was my escape and I've played since the very beginning of 2nd Edition. I have nearly every 2nd edition product. If it wasn't for a fire at a friend's house where I left the books I'd have many many of the 3rd and 3.5 edition stuff. By the time 4th edition came out I was adulting. But got back into it for 5th edition. And then the woke mob like it came for so many other of the properties I grew up with finally attached itself to the game that literally saved my life from committing suicide DnD. I've moved on to Pathfinder learning a whole new system a whole new way to play. And will not be spending any more of my hard earned money on a company That decides chasing after the victims of a mind virus is more lucrative than providing Good wholesome entertainment where people can be what they want To the true geeks and nerds and otaku's out there!
    If you're not a woke idiot if you have any semblance of a soul in you If you Refuse to serve the inhabitants of the abyss, Move on to another system. Don't buy their products or anything they license. Let the company go into bankruptcy until they have no choice but to sell off all of their properties to cover their debt and maybe just maybe the next owner of DnD will treat it with reverence and love and respect that it deserves!

  • @riduckulus1574
    @riduckulus1574 Рік тому

    Who could've guessed that dousing yourself in kerosene and then pissing off all the people with lit torches was a bad idea?

  • @Antimonium
    @Antimonium Рік тому +1

    Has a single person ever thought the term race or the concept of half-races were problematic before wizards put their dirty mittens on them?

    • @kagato23
      @kagato23 Рік тому

      Race as a term yes. Half-something I’ve seen the opposite. Admittedly the latter is anecdotal from my wife, who’s Biracial and pretty far left on the spectrum, thing is, she’s opposed to it. She knows a lot of people who identify as half-whatever, and while yeah the implication is the other is white, that’s assumed cause that’s usually the case! The people it’s not the case for say half-this/half that. But they are still using half-x for the term. So this decision ignores the reality for many people and she thinks she won’t be alone resenting it if they don’t revise: many biracial get a lot of societal pressure to “choose” a race, they won’t appreciate the implication that they have to do so on the mechanical side of these kinds of characters either. She’s fine with species as a term but wants to see the common half species as a thing even if you can’t do them all (all the humanoids able to mix is 36 half combos).
      When I told her about all this she said “is thier diversity team actually a bunch of white people overthinking this? Cause that’s usually who comes up with these kinds of ‘not a problem for us’ solutions.”

  • @Slayernuke83
    @Slayernuke83 Рік тому +17

    Way to keep speaking the concerns that some of us older players have. Keep fighting the good fight. Solidarity.

  • @TexasFriedCriminal
    @TexasFriedCriminal Рік тому

    It is said (around 1420), that there is no way to support a game like D&D without constant new editions to kick up sales again. This however is less required to support the game, than to support the capital that realizes its growth in the form of that release cycle. The game can do perfectly all right without new editions. Furthermore, this need to feed Moloch removes any incentive to create a game that actually will not need to be massively overhauled later on as leaving open issues that gall players sufficiently to serve as comprehensible justification for why a new edition is good and necessary and promise something good for the players instead of just more expenses.

  • @PWingert1966
    @PWingert1966 Рік тому +4

    I really need the Pleasure Prison cover as a wall sized postern now. can you vector that up so I can get it printed as a 4 ' x 7' poster? That way I can cover the front door of my gaming room with it so my players know where they are going. And, what to expect once there.

  • @ClockworkOuroborous
    @ClockworkOuroborous Рік тому

    I know you're saying "Creators" but I'm hearing it as "Critters", and it's just delightful.

  • @jamestaylor3805
    @jamestaylor3805 Рік тому +3

    The bigger concern, if you sell on the official page they may demand exclusivity, limiting the creation of other markets.

    • @JacksonOwex
      @JacksonOwex Рік тому +2

      Most platforms like that already do demand exclusivity. What I worry about is that there will be a clause in the contracts to put your material on the site that says WotC is free to use ANY and ALL material published on their site WITHOUT knowledge or compensation to the person who actually created it.
      This get's WotC what they wanted with the "License back"(I think that's what it was called) clause or whatever they tried to get into the "draft" OGL. Though this time it's not completely disgusting, only mostly!
      People beware signing ANY contract, but ESPECIALLY ones that have anything to do with things related to WotC!

    • @ScottBaker_
      @ScottBaker_ Рік тому

      So just like DM Guild. Where they get 25%(?) of the money.

    • @jamestaylor3805
      @jamestaylor3805 Рік тому

      @@ScottBaker_ grow up and work on comprehension without personal bias.

    • @ScottBaker_
      @ScottBaker_ Рік тому

      @@jamestaylor3805 So making a direct comparison isn't comprehension? Not sure what dictionary you use. Please focus on not being a troll. (Dang it, feeding the trolls again.)

  • @valasdarkholme6255
    @valasdarkholme6255 Рік тому

    > This is about locking people into being beholden to WotC. Yes. That's definitely the point.

  • @alexbarrett3832
    @alexbarrett3832 Рік тому

    I don't think anyone who's seen a previous public playtest thought "onednd" was going to stay the title, it was obviously a code name. WotC never officially called 5e, 5e either. They don't like putting edition numbers on the cover at all, not since 4e days. Ultimately we call it that because its SRD 5.1. If the new SRD update is 5.5 we'll call it that, but given their rhetoric i suspect they'll call it 5.2, and within a few months that will be it's name!

  • @samurguybriyongtan146
    @samurguybriyongtan146 Рік тому

    This is the walled garden folks have been talking about.

  • @sadlobster1
    @sadlobster1 Рік тому +6

    Here is a big question I've had on my mind for a long time but never knew how or when to ask it...until now.
    So, here it goes
    Since so many people have proclaimed that D&D has become a mess and have migrated over to other tabletop RPGs to satisfy their fantasy cravings. Is it possible for someone like me to create their OWN kind of fantasy game with mechanics, classes, creatures and so on near similar to that of D&D?
    I know some people say Pathfinder is already a good replacement but upon doing research on the game, I see many things lacking that keeps it from being as memorable as D&D has been

    • @davidburns9766
      @davidburns9766 Рік тому +1

      Why not simply switch to pathfinder and add in the things you want?
      Or there has to be a system that would suit what you need, building a system from scratch is a difficult undertaking

    • @williamings773
      @williamings773 Рік тому +3

      There are clones for every edition of d&d out there.

    • @sadlobster1
      @sadlobster1 Рік тому +2

      @@davidburns9766 Among the things I consider to be lacking in Pathfinder are the following.
      There are zero bards (which is like one of the coolest fantasy classes around)
      The race selection is sorely limited (and I stand by the use of that word because "species" and "ancestry" just doesn't seem to fit in a fantasy setting)
      There are no barbarians, no dragon-like races, no unique settings like Strixhaven or the one belonging to Dimension 20's Fantasy High
      Finally, the designs of all the creatures and races seem lackluster compared to what D&D has given us.
      As for creating my own campaign; I would do one set in world of dragon-like peoples, one inspired by Guillermo Del Toro's fantasy ideas (like maybe Pan's Labyrinth,) one loosely based off of Brian Griffin's Space Shire 7 or a sort of fantastical yet modern setting like Disney's Onward or Fantasy High

    • @Warforged117
      @Warforged117 Рік тому +1

      ​@@sadlobster1 That's totally fair if Pathfinder doesn't gel with you but as someone who has started playing and GMing 2e quite recently;
      Bards and barbarians are core character classes in pathfinder and have been since its first edition? They operate very similarly to their 5e counterparts and in fact I've found the bard to be even more of a supportive useful member of the party in pathfinder, not to mention martial classes actually being able to keep up with spellcasters in the awesome department!
      The race/species thing is kind of semantics isn't it? And regardless, you can be anything from an automaton to a child of the planes of chaos and order, as well as having aasimar or tiefling heritage as someone like an orc which is far more freeing and frankly way more customisable! I do very much get you with the sadness at the lack of dragon bornesque options!! 😢
      As for settings, they have kept their official settings to Golarion, but on there you have a mega city, a steam punk rebel nation, mammoth fighting giant slaying barbarian tribes, ancient Egyptian inspired fantasy, a series of pirate nations, as so much more to play around with, or you just do what I did and homebrew stuff. It isn't the end of the world and as much as I enjoyed strixhaven as a concept a. Magical school ain't exactly a novel concept and b. There are far better systems that aren't even pathfinder to play a magic school like game in
      Whatever you chose to do, I hope you have an amazing time playing the games you like, I'd just suggest giving it a chance! :D

    • @unnefer001
      @unnefer001 Рік тому +3

      @@sadlobster1 Did you pick up the Beginner Box Set from PF2E and think that was all there was? Your claims about the limitations of PF2E don't really make any sense. Play it or don't but I think you are very confused as to what PF2E is.

  • @dosuserx
    @dosuserx Рік тому

    issues with d&d that can't/won't be solved under current management:
    1. ogl? the company has said that the old ogl will remain available to 5e content. but they are now confusingly gonna call 6th edition 5th revised. but wouldn't that kinda confuse the difference in legal rules that apply 5e ogl1 and the new 6th edition stuff with the new legal standard? like wouldn't that jeopardize the validity of the new ogl because the editions are deceptively named.
    2. vtt isn't friendly to DMs. if my campaign is dependant on open source models or expensive paid dlc models, its gonna drain the community's lifeblood quickly. but its also clearly being used to accomplish a goal that it can't accomplish. you can't replace a dm. how is the game going generate endless random forests with the exact features that match the parties roll on their encounter table? how is the game gonna replace/improve upon imagination. the vtt should look more like paper than a AAA game. it should be demo'd with DMs testing out the creation modes. i don't get the sense that 1d&d vtt is the vtt that DMs or players are looking for. a better idea would be for them to build as a playable book of many tables. d&d is calling it a game, not a game creation studio.
    3. grifting. I'm not exactly an active player but i was once and the d&d of today is gonna lose its original audience in the desire to attract new ones. its not that they aren't trying hard enough, they are doing what every big gaming company does, bribe the influencers. but the users of a game like the sims or nba 2k24 are reliant on their respective companies to produce the new versions of the products they love. d&d on the other hand comes on books and generally can't become incompatible with your hardware. and the users are smarter and more vocal, and they roleplay creative problem-solving for fun. its not gonna be easy to move them this way.

  • @Svartalf14
    @Svartalf14 11 місяців тому

    if hasbrow wizards kill the half elves, they'll also cut the last shred of support I had for them

  • @simongervais9302
    @simongervais9302 Рік тому +1

    It's normal that DnD wants to stay dominant. If they find a way to do it that serves creators and players, I'm here for it. Asking them to support any other game system is ridiculous imho. There is always Roll20 for that.
    Why not call races Ancestry, just like they started doing already ? It's vague enough to be PC for the foreseeable future and the ancestry system opened up a lot of PC customization. Species is bad because it implies that they cannot reproduce together as easily.
    PS : I loved the prequels come on I know you did too. Or now you love it for the memes

  • @mikevreeland8889
    @mikevreeland8889 Рік тому

    WotC's vision of the future of the game is a slicker version of Solasta.

  • @GreenBlueWalkthrough
    @GreenBlueWalkthrough Рік тому

    14:26 Meanwhile Battletech has no edtions and is doing just fine 40 years later.

  • @Attrowoods
    @Attrowoods Рік тому +2

    I don't care about any VTT. I am minimal in any battle maps or battle visualization. At this point I am leaning towards only physical books.

    • @mrgunn2726
      @mrgunn2726 Рік тому

      @Attrowoods Woods Well if you want DnD hard copies you are going to have to sign up for DnDBeyond.

    • @Attrowoods
      @Attrowoods Рік тому

      ​@@mrgunn2726 I enjoy watching what they are doing. I already plan on staying in PF 2e systems for the next couple years for now. I am 5 sessions into a new campaign and my players are loving the system.

  • @JacksonOwex
    @JacksonOwex Рік тому +12

    7:55 AHHHHH! THAT'S how they get all the money and material from the creators that they wanted before!!! Good move, Hasbro, good move!
    Also, isn't this what DM's Guild already is?! Though like Beyond(used to be at least), I don't know how much, if any, control WotC/Hasbro has over DM's Guild!

    • @dzmitry_k
      @dzmitry_k Рік тому +1

      DM's Guild goesn't belong to Wizards of the Coast, it's a partnership between WotC and OneBookShelf (the people behind DriveThruRpg).
      If they switch to using DnD Beyond instead of DM's Guild, WotC won't have to pay OneBookShelf.

    • @JacksonOwex
      @JacksonOwex Рік тому

      @@dzmitry_k Well my point was that WotC profits from DM's Guild so basically all your info does is prove my statement, they will now be able to get EVEN MORE money!
      I'm sure they're also trying to weasel a nice clause that gives the USAGE of things created by others as well, like they tried with with the "draft" of the new ogl!

  • @meander112
    @meander112 Рік тому +1

    Engagement for the engagement god.

  • @orokusaki1243
    @orokusaki1243 Рік тому +3

    Excellent!
    Hasbro/WotC plays to win. The losers will be the players. I thought there was no "winning" in D&D?
    Allowing the Hasbro/WotC corporation to control the narrative, is like that adversarial DM who can smite you with the "hand of god" or "falling rocks" whenever the player doesn't stick to that pre-written narrative.
    This is definitely a break-up point, people gotta go explore those other game systems - and not just Pathfinder. There's more to RPGs than medieval high fantasy swords and sorcery.

    • @JacksonOwex
      @JacksonOwex Рік тому +1

      THANK YOU!!! I wish more people talked about the HUNDREDS of other games that exist but everyone is too Gods damned obsessed with D&D(thanks pop culture) to bother trying to learn ANY new games! It's always "I don't have the time" or "It's too hard" and other shit like that!
      If you had the time to play D&D you have time to learn a new system!

    • @orokusaki1243
      @orokusaki1243 Рік тому

      @@JacksonOwex For sure! And for that, they either miss out on one of those other gems, or they are forever stuck in d&d-land. Most games are learnable in under 30 minutes. Mastery, of course, will take more time.
      Even if they do want the swords and sorcery, there's other systems out there (that some may claim) do it even better. D&D is but the gateway.
      Perhaps, there's more RPG "casuals" out there than we realize. They're the ones inflating the numbers, and are the cause of Hasbro/WotC's salivation at potential earnings. Marketing brought them in, and these players are happy to flounder around in D&D, with no desire to try other game systems.

  • @tyrongkojy
    @tyrongkojy Рік тому

    I still remember when people were bitching that 4e was going to use a system just like Beyond.
    Now they're applauding.

  • @Svartalf14
    @Svartalf14 11 місяців тому

    I'm old enough to be your dad, and I never buy a phone without an answering machine attached

  • @Plasmagon99
    @Plasmagon99 Рік тому +1

    Congrats on the first organic Frasier joke! lol.

  • @minipaintingforyou
    @minipaintingforyou Рік тому +3

    Imagine steam only selling valve games… pretty sure that idea would be dead on arrival 😅
    I don’t see this as a threat. Let Hasbro inject all those new customers into the TTRPG community, the seem to believe they can convert millions of outsiders. Once those tried DnD, they’re inevitably going to look up resources online and find the breadth of what is available on the other side of the paywall.
    I see millions of new players as a win, no matter their beginning trajectory. 😊

  • @raymarquardt5157
    @raymarquardt5157 Рік тому +1

    "Not a new edition" B.S. coincidentally makes their VTT easier to build and manage, as they can just bake the ruleset in and change it when new books come out, removing the requirements of ruleset version management, selectable rule set editions, etc. Also would explain their lack of support for other games in the VTT.
    Of course, if they're doing this, it would make baseline 5e impossible to play, and you'd be prepping games for an ever-shifting pile of changing rules. At least on D&D Beyond VTT or whatever they name it.

  • @ChrissieBear
    @ChrissieBear Рік тому

    Folk sounds cool. Reminds me of how Pillars of Eternity collectively called races "kith".

  • @torfinnzempel6123
    @torfinnzempel6123 Рік тому

    You nailed the head on the coffin.

  • @snuggiethegoblin7101
    @snuggiethegoblin7101 Рік тому +2

    lol Mr. Hasbro though 😂

  • @anathamon
    @anathamon Рік тому +1

    i really look forward to these videos.

  • @theanimaster
    @theanimaster Рік тому +2

    Ugh… “species”??? That is EXACTLY what Dragon Dice did… strangely enough - also a former TSR product. It’s is such an awkward word to use for gaming…

  • @seannemo8076
    @seannemo8076 Рік тому

    OK, where did you find that picture of the CR cast?! I can't find it, and it would make an amazing desktop...

  • @Ishpeck
    @Ishpeck Рік тому

    @13:09 it's not a 5.5. They're changing enough that the most appropriate label is the dreaded "6th edition."

    • @JacksonOwex
      @JacksonOwex Рік тому +1

      We also already have 5.5, it came when they released TCoE!

  • @paulmdevenney
    @paulmdevenney Рік тому +3

    Kudos for referencing NWM, still the best game toolkit ever delivered...

  • @scalylayde8751
    @scalylayde8751 Рік тому

    Gamers have been watching this happen with video games for years. Mods become popular, companies tries to monetize, the community throws a fuss and they back off, and then they sneak in something small once it's blowing over, thereby the company takes an inch. Rinse, repeat.

  • @AcePlaysTCGs
    @AcePlaysTCGs Рік тому

    I'm curious how much of the OGL stuff was them more or less reacting to how a lot of people refer to tabletop in general as "playing D&D". I know a lot of people who shorthand it to that whether they're doing D&D or Pathfinder or whatever. The business minds at Wizards might've been trying to play into some of the nomenclature and got caught up in wanting the numbers to match the words. Like the business trying to react to the culture whether it works like that or not. Is it possible Wizards wants a line in the sand to separate D&D from Pathfinder and we're all just reacting poorly to it because they overreacted?

  • @borisderrikson8394
    @borisderrikson8394 Рік тому

    One cannot simply be racist to a mythical race.

  • @chazzitz-wh4ly
    @chazzitz-wh4ly Рік тому +1

    That’s a pretty and flashy VTT, but I’ll stick to Foundry it has a lot more stuff I can customize and open to many different systems. All these new systems coming out need a VTT they can play on. D&D flubbing their base is so refreshing because of all these new options coming out, and opening new existing options.

  • @theresidentviking4876
    @theresidentviking4876 Рік тому

    Idk when people say that WOTC is planing to kill all other TTRPGS I find it hard to believe that's possible, just because DND holds the largest collective of players you will never be able to go to game store/anything where TTRPG players gather and not hear about alternatives to try out for new experiences. Critical rolls new TTRPG is probably be as big as Pathfinder. If not closer to the dnd size, once it's released, there will always be competition.
    And now that WOTC has runed there PR, I don't think that many people are going to cling to them like they would apple or Android.
    As for dndbeyond marketplace I don't mind it as it gives the hobbiest a way to make a quick buck on the side if they start to develop good quality homebrew that with just a few button clicks can sell a product that's a great opportunity if your not able to market your own Kickstarter or patron

  • @helgaratbone1691
    @helgaratbone1691 Рік тому +2

    D&D is now edition fluid!

  • @saraphys5555
    @saraphys5555 Рік тому +3

    There's alot in this to unpack... so I think I'll just comment on the smaller points...
    1. Did you notice that its only the "Half-" half-races that are being called "racist"? Nothing from the Tieflings (Half-demons), Aasimar (half-celestials), Goliath's (half-giants), Genasi (half-elementals), and Dragonborn (half-dragons, but not half-dragons, but they are), etc... so its less that they dont approve of "half-races" anymore, and more that they like it when the half-race has a name...
    So...lets say...
    Tanites for the Half-Elves
    Orsmen for the Half-Orcs
    Done, great, lets move on...even though this is mostly an issue for groups who play in the WotC Forgotten Realms of 5E, where the lore is so mish-mash now, it doesn't resemble Ed Greenwood's world at all; and it was WotC who decided to make Tanis Half-Elven's backstory the CANNON LORE of how all "Half-" races come about; even though Tanis is an exception from a bad point in Krynn's timeline, and not a reflection of the world as a whole!
    But, c'mon, thats too much work to put in for WotC... after all, let us not forget the holy text of 5E Spelljammer "The DM decides"
    ...yes, words to do nothing and get paid for...
    2. Yeah, so, how is this gonna be 5.5 if they are systematically changing up the way classes, spells, etc...work?
    So, Eldritch Blast is now a power exclusive to Warlocks...but I can just bring my 5.0E PHB and in there its a Cantrip that a Wizard or Lore Bard can learn... THIS COMPLETELY BREAKS THIS REVISION EDITION OF FIFTH EDITION! So, like everything else, WotC has broken it before release, because they didnt think it through.
    3. ah... screw it...
    Y'know what? I dont care anymore...I moved my game to the Cypher System from Monte Cook Games a year ago (after having run several one shots for my group), so I really dont care what stupidity WotC/Hasbro come up with next. Iv seen this all before from them in 3/3.5, and then 4E... they seem incapable of learning.
    Oh, and when I say I moved my game...i mean that, Its the same campaign, but different game system mechanics now running it... think of it like Mass Effect 1 to Mass Effect 2...but, backwards... Mass Effect 2 was very good at being a combat game...but Mass Effect 1 was a far better RPG (of the two). Cypher is a far better TTRPG then D&D5Era; and because of that, My world has all the mechanics it needs to function that D&D5Era just never gave us...like proper vehicle combat mechanics, crafting (if you cant find good crafting mechanics in Cypher, look in Numenera Destiny), Settlement building, hirelings, trade (both economic, and player downtime work), etc...
    Not to mention, Cypher/Numenera has much better "ship to ship" combat rules, and doesn't try to convince you to NOT have ship-to-ship combat in your SPACE SHIP CAMPAIGN!!!
    Just remember, your campaign is not your system...
    If you dont like D&D and the lack of rules in 5era; then just change to a new game... Pathfinder, Shadowrun, Cypher, FATE, AGE, Call of Cthulhu, Star Trek, Star Wars, etc...
    Chances are, you'll find a system that plays the game you WANT to play, rather then trying to conform your homebrew world into a system that doesn't accomodate it! After all, how important are classes to characters in your world? Do they define them? Or do they merely provide a character with the skills they need?
    AGE system by Green Ronin Gaming does D&D 5E, just better, then D&D 5E, in every way...in my opinion.
    Pathfinder is better if you want "5E Advanced", because its basically revised, functioning, 3.5 D&D...
    Cypher offers players broad customisation for characters, and focuses on roleplaying and narrative over "everything is combat".
    Shadowrun is for Heisting...generally, it offers more, but its the OG of "plan how to steal the thing, then improvise when it goes wrong"...LOL.
    And everything else is franchise-based...so instead of that Star Trek conversion for D&D5E, just go play Star Trek Adventures by Modiphius, for example.

  • @badnewsBH
    @badnewsBH Рік тому +1

    Yep, still not buying any more D&D stuff while Hasbro is involved.

  • @JeffsGameBox
    @JeffsGameBox Рік тому +22

    Careful. The shills and fanboys are probably going to rage on this one.
    It's a great video. Keep speaking the truth. ❤👽😁

    • @JeffsGameBox
      @JeffsGameBox Рік тому

      @@chipsalom At least it's not the CIA.

  • @imrahilneill5181
    @imrahilneill5181 Рік тому +1

    Really like the videos, just curious to know where your accent is from. I can't place it. Cheers!

  • @scienceguy8888
    @scienceguy8888 Рік тому +8

    "Eventually there'll be too many books" Have you seen WotC's printing record for 5e? They published 6 books in 10 years! utterly abysmal!

    • @FlameQwert
      @FlameQwert Рік тому

      not even good books either. and way too big to be useful modular

  • @nosaurian
    @nosaurian Рік тому +2

    I come here because I want to be informed, entertained, and also slightly disturbed. The Frasier jokes were a little too much, though

    • @dungeonsanddiscourse
      @dungeonsanddiscourse  Рік тому +1

      never enough frasier

    • @JacksonOwex
      @JacksonOwex Рік тому +1

      "I have a fever, and the only cure is MORE COWB...(I mean...) MORE FRASIER!"

  • @DicePunk
    @DicePunk Рік тому

    D&D beyond marketplace means 3rd parties now need to approach WOTC to get permission to do what is essentially in the privacy of their proverbial home, so to speak.
    If I want to give out free content, do charity, or retroactively change things, well better run that by corporate first. Might be an oversimplification of the problem, but you get it.

  • @fjdoucet1465
    @fjdoucet1465 Рік тому +1

    You are a delight. Keep blasting away at our corporate evil overlords.

  • @jimmysmith2249
    @jimmysmith2249 Рік тому

    "Potato" in the punch bowl.

    • @JacksonOwex
      @JacksonOwex Рік тому

      I mean, I love potatoes but I don't want one in my punch! Do you?! ;)

  • @dhost3911
    @dhost3911 Рік тому +2

    Hated the prequels?! Mutiny! lol

  • @trioofone8911
    @trioofone8911 Рік тому

    Great vidwo. Ok, subscribed. 😊

  • @raymarquardt5157
    @raymarquardt5157 Рік тому +1

    Not too worried about a D&D Beyond marketplace. They already have the DM's Guild and a lot of creators quickly realized the license terms were not creator friendly. People use it when they absolutely need access to WotC proprietary content in their content.

    • @JacksonOwex
      @JacksonOwex Рік тому

      Yeah, they are pretty trash, though all the things like that are pretty similar! Now just think how terrible it would be if WotC/Hasbro had FULL control over the site? Remember that "license back" crap from the "draft" OGL? It rears it's ugly head again!

  • @discrot8568
    @discrot8568 Рік тому

    Your taste in movies may be trash, but you're correct about business stuff.

  • @teddynoteddie6826
    @teddynoteddie6826 Рік тому +1

    Happy your video hit my feed.

  • @Nemhyz
    @Nemhyz Рік тому +10

    DM Lair didn't drop shit lmao. He gives 16 minutes of reasons why he's leaving DND.... but then says he'll still be running current games for the channel, releasing more of his DM content for 5e, and to the question of releasing PF2E exclusive content said it's a big maybe (lets be real probably wont pay him nearly as well) BUT HE IS GOING TO USE THE TERM GAMEMASTER INSTEAD OF DUNGEON MASTER!!!!! WAOW SO BRAVE. He is literally trying to have his cake and eat it too. Saying he doesn't support Hasbro WOTC to appear morally good but still going to make content for 5e cause it's his job. Dude is standing on a soap box made of playing cards and that video really turned me off from his brand cause it's complete bs

    • @embergrit2305
      @embergrit2305 Рік тому

      Agreed. Also the backpedaling and cowardice to talk about their calling “half-races inherently racist”. He wont touch it and really most including here, wont call Jeremy Crawford and WoTC out on this! They are going down with the ship and allowing this insanity to continue because it too polarizing. WoTC need called out just like they did on the OGL. We are leaving 3rd party and content creators for not calling out bull.

    • @archimedesd5794
      @archimedesd5794 Рік тому +3

      He's well over priced and I honestly find his stuff fairly generic anyway. Also hate the fact his characters all sound like a bratty 12 year olds common interpretation of the classes.

    • @Jackalblade9
      @Jackalblade9 Рік тому +3

      Yeah, I've got no use for that guy.

    • @MK_ULTRA420
      @MK_ULTRA420 Рік тому +1

      He's a DnD player are you truly surprised?

    • @Nemhyz
      @Nemhyz Рік тому

      @@MK_ULTRA420 Yes because literally the ENTIRE video up until the end where he basically tells us he's still going to create and make money off dnd....BUT WONT USE DUNGEON MASTER (waow) was full of great information and seemed like he was really taking a stand. Not this fake ima pretend to take a stand so I look better but still making all of my money from their system

  • @drift9365
    @drift9365 Рік тому +1

    Buying books forever, or paying for a live services forever. If only there was a meme where the guy hates one thing but loves the other :)

    • @zavano92
      @zavano92 Рік тому +1

      There is a difference though. The Live Service will turn off one day and leave you with nothing.