The BIG PROBLEM with Critical Role's new show
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Remember in Call of Cthulhu: the more time and effort you put into your character’s backstory, the funnier it’ll be when they die in the first session.
so many times
Happened last time we played
That also applies to D&D! 😁
@ those poor, poor wizards
I'm starting to feel like an outlier because I like running Call of Cthulhu modern instead of in the 1920's. It adds something to the campaign when it's the party vs the unspeakable horrors and also vs the groups that may be organized to keep the horrors out of public knowledge
If Candela Obscura is making you a bit afraid, then it must be working as a horror game already! 😧
Not me. It comes off as CoC modern political propaganda. Nothing "dark" about it.
@@walterroche8192 you sound like the typical "nostalgic" uncle that says how much he misses the good old times in family dinners... and, in between, plenty of racist, homophobic and conservative bullshit.
@walter roche Nice guess. "Everything I don't like is nu-political this and that".
@@walterroche8192 Agreed. Talisin wasn't even 5 words into the description before "diverse" was mentioned. System is pretty uninspired, and has no connective tissue to the traditional horror genre. Strikes me as D&D horror.
@@scottwalker6947 well you people seem to suffer of some kind of phobias, so I'm sure you'll be terrified by those things out of your 18th century mindset ✨
For me, I get more of a steampunk vibe from their game. Almost like a Jules Verne style game, rather than the Cthulhu Horror. And, without knowing what it will play like, I would imagine this pointing more people in the direction of Call of Cthulhu how want a meatier horror game with less fantasy elements.
Yeah, now if it draws more on victorian/gothic era horror, like Shelly, Stoker, Poe, Blackwood etc, then that would be worth it, just to mine for content if nothing else
Indeed, I agree
For me the -punk genre is about humanity in a fantastic world.
Gothic horror isn't about the triumph of human spirit in defeating eldritch horrors. For me.
I think it's going to be much like Sagas of Sundry. That was an eldritch horror game Geek and Sundry did after they were bought by LDN (but before CR left to make their own company). It was based on the Dread game system (basically just Jenga instead of dice rolls). The first season was called Dread. It started as a one-shot for International TableTop Day, with Matt, Taliesin, and a few other G&S alums, with Ivan Von Norman (the bartender from CR's Undeadwood) as the gamemaster. Then they made it a full series, and added in other puzzles. Season 2 was Madness, and had Marisha, Liam, and Erika Ishii. For both series, Darin DePaul served as a sort of Rod Serling style narrator. Which is what I think Taliesin is going to be doing on CO. So not specifically based on the Cthulhu mythos, but in that style.
@@Imagicka yeah, -punk is definitely not about triumph, it's almost always dystopian and about living through the next day. Solar and steam are the only -punks I'm aware of that aren't and steampunk often is but it's also often an excuse for using magic with a posh British accent
I can see the Critters jumping to the new system, but I don't think they'll be pulling people away from CoC. It's two different audiences.
I agree. I have very little interest in CO atm. Once we have rules to look at, maybe. But Matt Mercer neither sells or dissuades me from anything. I don't play D&D 5e and that was true before him and it will be after, lol.
There is in fact a third possibility.
Critters jumping on the horror genre and try out CoC as well.
I play both D&D and Call of Cthulhu. Damn, I'm rare-ish.
The new system isn't Candella Obscura. It's Illuminated Worlds. Which to me sounds like a generic RPG system that can be flavored however you want, rather than specifically eldritch horror or whatever CO is going to be. So I don't think it's going to be a CoC blocker 😁. If you're into that mythos and style of gameplay, CoC is going to do it better than a generic system. Plus IW is specifically geared for short-term campaigns. Their other system they mentioned (dagger-something) is the D&D killer.
@@simonfernandes6809 a lot of people I know play both. I did myself for years, until 5e decided to become more like 3.5.
ngl the green screen mistake with the Call of Cthulhu book being purple like the background actually looks like it'd make for a really cool limited edition book
Please don't, I now feel like I want the Lizards something book for another game I don't play and I make excuses because I am an Orc /Ork at heart 💚
Don’t lie
Ok I don’t normally do this but I am 10 minutes in and still waiting on why there is a big problem with critical roles new game lol
My problem is that it's not new it's just blades in the dark
As a long time Keeper and occasional investigator I share your concerns. I do have hope for CoC keeping it's position in the ttrpg world. With 40 years of content in a fully backwards compatible system I have no plans to abandon my favorite game system.
yeah this is a gut reaction for me, i will forever love my cthulhu
There will always be base for CoC, even with the mercerite cult, lol
Unless the system is simpler than CoC, which I doubt, it wont have legs for a long run, it will be like many home mades, cool for a while, then dropped to the floor
NGL this smells of the same kind of reaction that hardcore D&D fans had when Pathfinder came out, or hardcore Warhammer fans whenever someone mentions that they're preferring non-GW wargames. Maybe having something else overtake CoC as the foremost game of that genre would not be so bad.
@@stefanjakubowski8222 *especially* with the mercerite cult. Taliesin is a huge CoC fan and explicitly prefers CoC to D&D.
@@stefanjakubowski8222 I looked at the core rules, they put the pdfs on their site. IMO it kinda sounds like a better system overall. It _is_ simpler than CoC to achieve the same goals, and it makes use of more contemporary innovations in game mechanics. The devs knew what they were doing in terms of core rules and systems.
@1:05 "I apologize to all the Pinkertons in the audience" earned my like. The laughs didn't end after that, either.
I will finish the video, though from the outset I feel like leaning into separation and divisiveness doesn't really serve D&D. CritRole has used different systems many, many, many times. I use a different system for my therapeutically applied TTRPG, but it is a boon for D&,D regardless of system.
But hey, I'll reserve further judgement and pop back to comment at the end!
Edit: that rage bit was fab
Edit again: look, I think the concern is fair, but to the level of it being a big problem when we know closer to nothing about the content or system... It seems a little premature? If people love it, it will no doubt bring them to Call and they'll love that, too. A full tide makes all ships in the harbour rise, after all!
Competition is always a good thing.
Copyrights expire for a reason, and that reason is that culture as a whole is more important than profit.
Call of Cthulhu is not going anywhere, but *if* those guys manage to make something so good that people will love it more than COC, so be it, it will mean that we have something better.
Assuming equal exposure. Which is most definitely not the case.
RPG evolution. There's surely discussions about Old School RPGs vs New School RPGs out there.
Does D&D, and CoC, embrace enough New School despite their roots in the 1970s? Should they? Or should they retain a balance of the two? How much of that balance will CR's IW RPG have? Perhaps it will be entirely New School.
Competition to make a better product, the perfect mouse trap.
Seeing ChristianIce have the single most relevant comment under such a video is an experience I am not really sure how to describe.
Non mi aspettavo di trovare ChristianIce qui ma sono comunque felice di averlo fatto
not going to lie, CoC in Purple looks really good
Candela Obscura takes from CoC, yes. It takes even more from Vaesen tho. I'm just glad that the creators have mentioned the systems they take inspiration from (Vaesen and Blades in the Dark) in the manual, thus spreading the word about these fantastic games to the CR community, and hopefully bringing new people into the genre.
TLDR: This can be very good for CoC and other horror games
Completions breeds innovation. People act like they have no choice but once you have the rules you can play forever. No company tells me which fantasy or horror game I play.
Horror's ability to blend with other genres is one of my favorite things about it.
Seeing the Critical Role folk’s attitude over time, I would predict it makes itself different enough to not threaten CoC, attracting a segment of their players, and a segment of D&D but reproducing/threatening neither. Perhaps it will be the gateway game into something more hardcore like CoC? The game space is large enough for many games,gamers, and styles of play.
With the fantasy setup I think you are onto something. Sounds more like a horror Eberron to me
Personally I see no danger for Call of Cthulhu from Candela Obscura. I expect Candela Obscura to be good. I expect it's going to be a big hit for a few months. But it's focus on one-shots and short adventures means Critical Role is relatively soon going to switch to different show or different setting. With them moving on to something else, the popularity of the system will quickly evaporate. And although Candela Obscura might be good and have support from it's creators, the amount of resources and content Call of Cthulhu already offers, means it will take a long time for Cthulhu to be dethroned. Although an actual competition in the genre might be a good thing.
There once was a laundromat in my street. It was doing fine. Then a second one opened a few houses away with lower prices. The first one had to lower prices. Then both went bankrupt, as there weren't enough customers.
It took years for a new one to open there again.
came here to learn about CR new show and all i got was a 20 minute advert for something im not interested in.
I don't think Pinkerton jokes are ever going to get old! I've never tried Call of Cthulhu, although one of our group wants to run a short campaign on it soon. We're actually really happy to have an excuse to try other systems.
19:10 into this, still waiting for you to make a legitimate point.
Oh... it never happened...
Anyway, my take: absolutely ANYTHING that fractions complacent D&D players away into other settings (and more importantly, systems) stands to potentially benefit every other system out there. If it forces CoC to evolve into a better system, on the way (and trust me, it needs to), so much the better.
8 months later we've seen the reviews. I don't think we've got anything to worry about
This is less of a Matt Mercer issue and more of a "everybody wants to run but very few want to see thier characters forced to eat dirt" issue.
Really?
My players generally love when their players eat dirt?
I think most of my issues with the system are the same ones I have with the newer attempts white wolf made (and use for stuff like L.A. by Night) at remaking their system. When every basic action you attempt seems to literally be capable of causing damage to your character and you don't really have any basic abilities you feel like you can count on the whole system feels really like a drag to play. Watching the first episode Laura's character Arlo takes way more damage than anybody else just cause she tries to do things to obtain information and move the plot forward. It feels like not only do you get the consequences of not succeeding but then you also get the punishment of taking damage just from trying to use a basic ability. Same reason if anyone ever wants to play White Wolf content that I would break out the oWoD books and set everything in late 90s early 2000s, having to make a hunger test and potentially frenzy every time you use any vampiric power at all is just too punishing on players, you should be scared of the things around you and the world around you in a setting...not the dice and dots on your sheet.
I hope Candela Obscura will be more like a fantasy/steampunk horror game and not a CoC knock-off.
The problem with CoC is that the original material it is based on is, well, *of its time* at best. CO was made by people who are clearly CoC fans, and their system and setting is different enough to be refreshing while being meant to scratch a similar itch. I think I might end up liking it more than CoC, personally.
@@Gabdube I have to read the rules first. The short rule intro video sounded good. As someone who contributes to several indie ttrpgs, dice pool systems are always interesting to me because all the games I'm working on also use dice pools. I'm pretty excited and from how it sounded in the video, they kept it different enough from CoC.
I do agree with lots of Lovecraft's content being racist and xenophobic in nature. Though in my experience, CoC adventures, at least the ones from Chaosium, are aware of that and try to offer an experience where those elements are not part of the experience. I can see how Lovecraft can be off-putting for many because of the many issues.
@@cheesy_87 oh I wasn't even going to mention all the fundamental and diverse forms of bigotries permeating throughout Lovecraft's body of work and general life; my point of it being "of its time" is also that it kinda just hasn't held up in terms of narrative quality as far as eldritch-horror writing goes nowadays. Lovecraft has been significantly outdone and surpassed by *many* other writers. His stuff is only still kept current by the sheer force of intergenerational nerd tradition and massive nostalgia... which don't tend to breed good literary works or game design innovation.
It's 2024, the Mickey Mouse joke just expired...
They say that the Quickstart Rules for Candela Obscura will be released (somewhere, they didn't specify in the post) in the morning of their first game (May 25, 2023). They are apparently -7 time zone.
Update: they're live and available now. Just need to give them "an email address" and they'll give you a download button in return. can probably unsubscribe if they send you stuff.
I dont think anyone is actually into 5th ed as their fave system, there are just people who have never played anything else
Nah, there are plenty of people who actively enjoy 5e even though they play and have played many other systems. Case in point - my old roleplaying group. We played 3rd. 3.5, pathfinder, feng shui, Rifts, shadowrun, cyberpunk, dungeonworld, 4e D&D, 5e D&D, Vampire the Masquerade, Werewolf the Apocalypse, Mutants and Masterminds, Paranoia, the old marvel roleplaying system, The One Ring, and I'm sure I'm leaving out others. Their favorite system is 5e. And fully half of those guys grew up on 1e and 2e.
It's their favorite system because they haven't tried anything else.
@@jaimerivera2382 being old doesnt mean you have good taste.
@@TheBananamonger taste is subjective and they like what they like after trying all those systems, get over it lol
I have never played a TTRPG in my life but I have read a lot of different systems rules, and I can tell you if I have to choose a system to play one day it will be 5e.
Everything else seems either too complex or too simple, I think 5e hit the nail on the head, it's complex enough and simple enough at the same time.
this does not make sense... so I cannot realese a new TTRPG that will outshine another TTRPG? Just because your favorite game won't have the spotlight anymore means that CR should not create their own game(that may have the vibe and horror but are not the same).
And the Matt Mercer effect it's not his fault, so when someone does something with much pasion it's bad because other people will think that it is always like that? I feel the blame it's elsewhere.
bye.
sorry if bad grammar
I love yoshitoshi’s paintings. Freaky horror classic art.
Critical Role is a good show and I genuinely hope Matt Mercer does well with his own system, but there's no denying that I, as a player of lesser known RPGs and whose first experience was actually with CoC rather than D&D, I would have liked that rather than bring some homebrew to the table, they would have used the opportunity of their fame to bring knowledge about other systems.
I don't know; something like trying Pathfinder again so that more people play it; playing CoC since they want a horror game set in the 20's so badly; or directly giving a chance to unfairly forgotten systems (Ryuutama, ahem, ahem, a favorite of mine whose community pretty much death outside of Japan, ahem, ahem)
They did a Call of Cthulhu one-shot a few years ago cause Taliesin Jaffe is a lover of the system, and style, so he was the GM of that particular game.
My initial gut reaction to the Candela Obscura announcement was similar, a sinking feeling of loss for Call of Cthulhu since I want more people to try it out. My goal though is to avoid be stubborn or combative about it, and to try to use it as a gateway to CoC. If my d&d group sees CR playing their new system and wants to try something like it, I don't want to put them off of the genre with an "umm actually my game is already better". I'd sooner try adapting one of my favorite CoC scenarios to it and say "hey if you liked this, guess where there's a ton more!" and hope to redirect some of the energy into an interest in CoC. Also, CoC has a huge head start on Illuminated Worlds because of all of the settings that have already been made for it (it would take CR a huge amount of time to build a world to compete with that found in the Delta Green books, for example, and you can hook players with that).
Keeper Discourse, "When you drop your trousers, you see that your 'nards have been replaced with the face of Anthony Charles Lynton Blair!!"
Player fails SAN roll, "LINES AND VEILS!!! LINES AND VEILS!!! LINES AND VEILS!!! "
Wow, the call of cuthulu book cover looks great in purple
That purple CoC looked dope though
So what i heard from them is "i dont't like it because its diffrent from the game i like but its not diffrent enough and i need views". I got some news for everyone who says candela isn't original enough, ahem THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A COMPLETLEY ORIGINAL IDEA IN 2023!!!!! Everything as been done now all we can do is put our own spin on it. Even CoC runs the basic sytem that was developed for rune quest paste and copy time to edit. Im gonna simpify it if you know you know "i can like kissey kissey goo goo and skull squisher".
"Methinks the lady doth protest too much"
Critical Role doing their thing may have an impact on both D&D and CoC, but those ripples will be very small.
The audience for Critical Role is only a percentage of the player pool of either of those games, and despite everyone thinking that they are some magical group that can warp the fabric of the industry, they are just another player in it and perhaps they might even fail as a company...we shall see.
There are 2 million CR subscribers on UA-cam alone, and their videos, even for the current mary sue endlessly dragging campaign 3 are routinely over 500k on YT not counting Twitch subscribers and viewers. If D&D sold 2 million PHBs that would be headline news in the RPG space. CR is possibly bigger than D&D.
Candela Obscura isn't made by Matthew Mercer though...
If anything, he seems to have next to nothing to do with its creation apart from being a creator for the same publisher.
If you're going to be making a 20 minute long video explaining the supposed issue with a piece of artistic work, then at least do the diligence of crediting and subsequently putting the blame on the right people in your statement piece :/
Candela Obscura will be have their own fanbase, probably based on the Critical Rol hypetrain with all those players who are enthralled by the Matt Mercer effect. CoC will be fine.
The time travel machine reminded me of the scene from The IT Crowd where they showed The Internet, which had no wires because it was wireless. :-D
There's also games like Monster of the Week and City of Mist that take place in modern day as well.
You can also play Call of Cthulhu in a modern day setting as well, it doesn't have to be in the 1920s.
My new favorite is actually Kult: Divinity Lost. Everyone who loves deep thenati. Horror with AMAZING backstory, should check it out.
I have a contradictory perspective to the one in this video you might consider;
Critical Role has brought so many people into fantasy TTRPGs who otherwise might never have begun playing, and while many may stay in 5e, many also branch out into other games, at least once in a while. Why mightn't they do the same for horror?
Market share is nice and all, but when the market grows everyone can make gains. Especially in the opening years, people will certainly finish everything Darrington Press has to offer in the horror genera and want to continue experiencing the fun, and that's where an established brand like CoC can swoop in and provide, as mentioned in the video, decades of backwards-compatible content.
I don't think there's a problem with Candela Obscura picking up a similar pitch to CoC whatsoever, because it's only going to grow the awareness of and the hunger for horror content, and that is a situation where CoC can shine, because of their extensive and quality backlog. The more people play TTRPGs, the more space there is for new companies at the table, and the more content we players have to chose from.
As someone who knows next to nothing about CoC or D&D, I don't have anything of value to add. Just commenting for the algorithm.
And then we're all surprised to discover that Candela Obscura has nothing in common with Call of Cthulhu except a 1920s flavor setting and a cat named N****rman.
I'm not *that* worried about Candela Obscura somehow replacing Call of Cthulhu. What I *am* worried about is now the Mercer effect spreading to CoC tables. It's bad enough in D&D. Though maybe, just maybe, it will open up some of their fervent watchers to branch out into other games - help broaden some perspectives.
Also, hilarious vid today. I haven't laughed out loud like that in ages.
Candela Obscura is just another D6 system rip-off. You can pretty much take any other D6 system, apply the CO setting, and it'd work just fine with maybe a few tweaks here and there. It's anti-climactic, feels like a cash-in, and I'm frankly not particularly interested in it.
First thing I thought when I saw the trailer for Candela Obscura was: "Is this Steampunk CoC?"
Honestly, I'm kinda disappointed Candela Obscura didn't do something more original with the setting. They could have forgone the Roaring 20's vibe and done a bizzare fusion of High Victorian and the 70's 'sex, drugs and rock'n'roll'.
Ahh Call of Cthulhu - The joy of being the parties scientist and researcher and the one trying to rationalise every encounter and devise way to counter them... the joys of chemical warfare versus the occult....
Those were a lot of words to explain that setting (Fantasy, SciFi, 1920s, etc) and genre (horror, adventure, mystery, etc) are not the same.
My problem with their whole "new" system is that mechanically it is Blades in the Dark. And with the Steampunk with Ghosts theme it is thematically Blades in the Dark as well. Frankly the Cirt Role team kind of made a poster child move that kind of validates the concerns that probably drove Wizards of the Coast to make a grap for the revenue from products that build on their ruleset ...
Would it have killed them to at least aknowledge the true creators of the system and announce that they made some changes to setting, story and such?
But they did, it's even on the instructions book with all other sorts of inspirations from other games, books, etc
I thought this was a CR rant and thought Call of Cthulhu was an ad section and was thinking "dang how long is this ad taking?"
Im going to Gen Con. CR is supposed to be there. Ill stop by their booth and see whats up......
My take: CO is a system to attract the Critter Cult fandom into COC; hopefully they discover its been done before, and better.
You telling me horror is your favorite and we’re not getting a spin off Horror & Discourse UA-cam film channel? How dare you.
The rambling, Christ above. All this to say you're afraid CR is gonna kill CoC? A system they've played on their channel, in a video (I believe) was sponsored by said system. Cosmic horror doesn't just belong to one company.
Yeah I dunno, I'm gonna wait and actually see how it plays out before I form an opinion.
11:41 When she gets to the point.
F#@&ing thank you!!
Where is the link to episode 1 and why is it like a scavenger hunt to find it
The green screen error made me think "that's a cool printing"
I'm sure that CR loves CoC and would have loved to use it as the engine of their show, but after the OGL fiasco I think that CR doesn't want to be beholden to another gaming company ever again.
Especially because CoC doesn't actually HAVE an open license. If it does hurt Chaosium, it's their own fault, tbh. I sort of hope CO is OpenQuest CoC, lol. That would be hilarious
A shame CR doesn't do sci-fi. My favourite RPG, Eclipse Phase, is basically Call of Cthulu in space under the CC-BY-SA licence.
We are , somewhat of a Pinkertons in my CoC group right now . Except it isn't some MTG UA-cam who got send cards by accident, it's...(check's notes) a cult lead by two werewolves, who are trying to unbind the shard of a god in our employees mansion.
I mean , I get it , the guy has a mummy and a spider lair that defies space on his adict , but that is no reason to raid it in .. the 3-4 days we have until the full moon . I am sure nothing bad will happen. And the keeper's suggestion to call out backup characters for , , backup is nothing to wary about.
(Starting to become glad we raided some of the cults guns right now)
Call of Cthulhu is the antithesis of Dungeons and Dragons and Wizards of the Coast. Edit: (and that is not a bad thing)
Like Elric and Conan
12:41 As an American her accent really made me think she said "hot tickler" and now I'm disappointed...
My group never latched on to Call of Cthulhu. They don't enjoy short one shot games; where in the end you basically lose at some level. They tend to like character development and long running stories. CoC was simply too much Boy Scout camp out horror story with broader participation and clunky combat. The White Wolf World of Darkness series enables you to tell the same type of stories on a personal level and keep the story running; too each their own.
Competition, however, is always good for the market.
If your favorite system gets replaced because someone offers a better/alternative product, in the end, the community wins.
CoC has always been a niche game. It was created to fill a specific niche of storytelling and gameplay. It will remain a beloved niche game for those seeking horror genre.
Damn this girl skates between a thumbs-ups and an unsubscribe with each video. Good vid.
Chaosium not being part of the OSR is an odd statement. They are an OG RPG, they brought a skill based approach to RPGs vs Classes.
i mean, to me the OSR movement is a pretty recent thing, and Chaosium predate it. It's hard for me to think of it in that category when I was playing the game before OSR was talked about in my circles.
I don't think you can call CoC an OSR game.
It's just a classic, and it didn't go through all the mess D&D went.
What would it be, the OSR version of itself?
@@dungeonsanddiscourse I see your point, I guess I just always considered CoC part of Old School Gaming, as opposed to New Skool. The OSR is more about a revival of a style of play from the 70s & 80s, though to date myself I never played any different from what I learned playing AD&D.
Illuminated worlds isnt horror specific. Its short game themed, not meant for long campaigns. Candela obscura is just a group using illuminated worlds for their horror game. I knownits a nitpick but we are dnd players/DM’s
Great, I tried to follow your video and now I have ADHD.
What edition or version would you recommend? I have not played it for over 10 years.
What was the name of the greatest scenario again? Would like to purchase it thanks
It's called In Media Res :)
I don't think Mörk Borg or Cyborg were ever meant to compete with Call of Cthulhu, it really seems like they were more going for the DnD/OSR crowd and Cyberpunk crowd.
Also I wouldn't consider any of the big Börg hacks straight up horror (except Vast Grimm), but definitely most of not all of them have horror elements deeply embedded in their DNA. Call of Cthulhu is my favorite RPG as well but I highly recommend the Borg games as well.
I doubt CR will push CoC away. Im sure as hell the CR system will sell well to all their fan base but CoC already has an established fan base and everyone who was remotely interested in the genre has already tried or is playing CoC.
For Crs system to push CoC away it would have to be genuenly better then CoC
Junkies, indeed!
Holy canoli. You are an amazing presenter/UA-camr. Your videos (ooh, is my boomer showing) are informative and amusing. Thank you for your awesomeness.
Even if the green screen kinda messed it up at 1:13, colored variants of CoC would be cool!
Great Video! When I saw your cool Purple Logo Starter Set, I wanted one!
Chaosium’s Call of Cthulhu is a classic. I remember when I played it in the early 90s there was a mystique about it and if you lived through an adventure it was like finding magical items in any other game. They have some big books to fill.
I think when comes to lovecraftian not be claimed also has a wee bit to do with his flaming racism too....i know, i know art, artist. But in terms of greater context its probably there, just like the punk scene, dont like its there, but it is
Candela Obscura is no threat to Call of Cthulhu.
Both CoC & CO focus on different aspects of horror.
I like both.
That picture was distinctly lacking of the elder god of going back on your pledges…. Starmerashtor
Their Candela Obscura streams have a fraction of the viewership their DnD game has. I don\t think their fans are that interested in horror games, CoC is save in my opinion. I also saw some unflattering reviews that influenced against trying it.
I had to get my Thieve's Cant cypher out to discern what you tried to say in this video...
I dunno, the only critters I know are intense dnd fans. Can't imagine them ever trying even Candelabra Obfuscation, but if they do end up branching out, it'll probably lead them towards systems like CoC that have much more content out there for them.
i like this way of thinking Emily, i hope you're right :D
May I suggwstvyou read the Classic
Philospher's Stone by Colin Wilson
It posits ans alteenative view of the mythos, where humans develop psychic abilities to counter the mythos
I'm not clear why they're doing this. Getting out from under the Pinkertons makes sense as a priority, but is Chaosium publically traded? Is there something about the CoC mechanics that doesn't serve the Critters needs? Is this just so Taliesin doesn't have to say Lovecraft's name?
Seven hours of rambling to get to what point? That CO is a cosmic horror-ish TTRPG with Victorian/Edwardian aesthetics? Uh, I think we all knew that.
Call of Cthulhu players spontaneously combusting would be on brand, though...
very true!
Honestly. Nothing can surplang call of cthulu
I dont see Candle Obscura damaging CoC. The CR fanscape is based around a lasting love of the characters in a game setting. So either CO will alienate them with deaths and removals or CO wont have the same meat grinder aspect of CoC. If anything this could bring more people to CoC just to see what its about.
16:23 - OK, I'm all Captain America "I understood that reference!" here, but what story was it that ended with the main character finding the person he was talking to was nothing more than a disguise being worn by a Mi-Go or the like? Because that looks like what you're referencing here.
Also, people forget that Mi-Go can do that. They're fungus, trimming or reshaping their bodies is a cause of discomfort but not fatal nor long-term disabling. They make themselves a person suit out of the protoflesh from one of the Mythos entities (think it's the one stuck in the Moon, but don't quote me, that was old Delta Green stuff) and walk around undetected. Easier to scope out targets for abduction and brain cannister usage that way.
Remember, Cthulu saves...in case He gets hungry later
You took 18 minutes to say "they're practically the same and I'm sad about that".
The scenario is call "In Media Res" from "The Resurrected III: Out of the Vault." Best of luck getting a copy (if you're real creative or have a rather big cthulu buff or ttrpg oriented friend a digital copy is possible and cheaper in all likelihood).
the COC is the horror godzilla of RPGs.
There is a TON of Call of Cthulhu stuff. It's gonna take years (decades?) for any new system to supplant it, just because there's so much of it.
I mean people still playing 3.5/Pathfinder 1e aren't rare and that's not even supported by mainstream publishers anymore.
My big problem with CoC is how crunchy it is with percentiles. I had my love Affair with GURPS for 20+ years, and I can't go back to such a relationship. But godsdamn I love the vibe.
How much to pay you to run CoC for me?
idk, I kinda doubt that this new system will replace Call of Cthulu any time soon. There's no reason why those two can't co-exist. Like there's multiple high fantasy ttrpgs with very similar 'vibes' that are played consistently and sell well. Even if there is a most popular one (remains to be seen which one that will be in this case) that doesn't mean that the others are unpopular or not successful
The ttrpg community is rapidly expanding (in part thanks to critical role), so it's not like players are an insanely limited resource, that is stolen aways from other titles. I'm sure there will be people on both sides, who prefer one system over the other and maybe even some people who play both from time to time
Ah common. I played Call of Cthulhu thirty-five (or forty) years ago. I know how the game works. The game works like the stories. You hope to go insane before being eaten by a monster that looks like a naked tree.
Candela Obsura is a shadow copy of Blades in the Dark
I find it ironic that you said you were slightly afraid of what the "new" horror might be/do. Afraid of horror...
spooky :D
The Call of Cthulhu book appearing mysteriously in the wrong color seems so on brand for the game :D
I have a feeling many Critical Role fans, that buy Candela Obscura, were not likely to ever buy Call of Cthulhu, so Chaosium isn't losing anything. I still have not watched the show, I hear it is funny.
I'm running Mörk Borg at Gen Con this August, in Indianapolis, Indiana. It is my favorite RPG ever, the Doom Metal esthetic is perfect for an end of the World fantasy horror game and best of all Johan and Pelle are fantastic people. Imagine playing a game made by folks you like and respect.
CoC in purple looks pretty good actually.