Weyoun: “I just wanted you to know that you can't just say ‘All disagreements are resolved’ and expect anything to happen.” Picard: “I didn't say it. I declared it.”
It is actually a shame we never saw what the enterprise under Picard did during the domininon war. (But I guess there a like 500 Books about it, right?)
Apparently they were worried about Picard's stability after being assimilated by the Borg, and the Enterprise was mostly sent around on diplomatic missions, mainly to impress people with how the Federation was so unconcerned with the war that they sent their flagship, one of the most powerful ships in their fleet, to serve as an interstellar Hyatt for ambassadors to rub elbows in.
Lol, the Breen got screwed so hard by the dominion, they joined literally as the dominion surrendered. You can't see their faces but you just know the ones standing behind the changeling are just steaming mad. 😂
And The Breen, though possessing the “Star Trek c list alien races” mysteriousness and scary alien tech (like the Tholian web or the Sheliak colony ship creepiness ) and the backstory of 1v1 ing the Klingons and winning, ultimately turned out to be something of a paper tiger. Their exclusive energy draining beam weapon was reverse engineered by the Allies and without that tech their ships were a one trick ponies. Suck to be them.
@@captainLoknarWell, if they didn't sign, they would either have to negotiate a different peace on their own, in a weaker position, or continue fighting the alliance on their own.
The moment Dukat brokered an alliance between Cardassia and the Dominion, war was inevitable. DS9 even showed had Bajor allied with Cardassia, war would never have happened. The Federation made the mistake letting the spoonheads be put in such a bad position. Naturally they'd look for some way out of it.
Never back your enemy so far into a corner that you give him no other way out. Always let him have a way to "lose with honor". Or, as was the case in WW2, have such overwhelming force that literally nothing the enemy can do will matter.
@@darthimperious1594 "And if your enemy is stubborn, then obliterate them so completely that the next one is more willing to take the loss." - Genghis Khan probably
The original comment here about the Cardassians ... Gul Dukat, in particular ... is the most accurate. After the failed Tal Shiar/Obsidian Order op in the GQ ... the Cardassians were ripe for Gul Dukat to do EXACTLY what he did (which is why the Dominion targeted those two secret organizations specifically). The Cardassians had been looking to regain stature in the AQ ... and Gul Dukat wanted stature for himself. it was a recipe for intergalactic disaster. Truth be told, Sisko gave the Federation as much time as one human could for them to prepare for war. He kept Bajor out of the fighting outright. He got the Klingons back in the fold, and worked with Garak to get the Romulans off the NAP.
and Janeway would give diplomacy a try with the Dominion but at the first point she sees it’s pointless, she’d be more ruthless than Sisko to protect her crew. (just putting it out there, i love her)
I dunno, she was often a terrible tactician---remember "The Year of Hell" where she waited until the enemy ship had hit Voyager enough to kill a bridge crewmember and THEN decided to go to battlestations? LOL
You mean she'd be motivated by random bursts of passion and anger, all while spouting something about the prime directive whilst simultaneously ignoring it and being an absolute hypocrite?
@@williewhite1901 The Dominion are not the Borg. The Borg would probably consider the Dominion to be beneath them and not even bother assimilating them.
@@davidwuhrer6704 unlikely, remember the jemhadar was born in maturation chambers and, like the klingons, would fight to the death. "Obedience is life" and "it's a good day to die". On the other hand, Chief O'Brian, "I'm Alive and plan to stay that way ". And the Borg, "resistance is futile".
It never happened and by Picard season II the Bajorians might have FTL flight. In DS9 Picard literally put light years between himself and Bajor. Was a jerk to Sisko even though Sisko had every reason to *HATE* Picard
@@project_nihilist Sisko had zero reason to hate Picard. You don't blame someone for what they did when they were assimilated. Also, when was Picard ever a dick to Sisko? He made him tea and said nice to meet you.
Thanks for your thoughts. I can see you r more of a sisko guy. But Picard has always had his great speaking skills. Have a great weekend 👍👍👍🖖🏻live long & prosper
Picard was captain of the Enterprise during the Dominion war. He was in charge of keeping the Alpha Quadrant togather but I believe he was in command when they destroyed the shipyard and he helped Liberate Betazed
As with all peace treaties in the past, the negotiators never take into consideration future problems which could occur as a result of the reasons for a peace treaty in the first place. For example: the negotiators of the Vietnam War never considered demanding the release of all POW's being held in captivity by the NVA. To this day, how many of our fighting men in North Vietnam have died waiting to be released so that they could come home. No one knows. In this instance, the Alpha Quadrant never considered that many founders were still out and about thinking of ways to seek revenge against the federation, klingons, romulans, etc. for their defeat during the dominion war. Had they even considered having all founders still in the Alpha quadrant return to the great link, then it is probable that what happened on Picard season 3 would not have happened. Just a thought. However, I think that Mr. Roddenberry( R.I.P. ) would have been proud of the end result either way.
They did research many years ago and found out that 70 per cent of gang leaders were left-handed. And southpaws are overly-represented in our list of presidents as well. Fully -one-third were, and are.
Some people did. Bismarck brokered a secret deal between Germany and Russia that made war impossible. Then he was fired by his boss who didn't like the idea of peace at all. The next guy to think of it was assassinated. Then war was declared. Then the Tsar abdicated. This resulted in several groups wanting to ascend to power. One of them (the Communists) signed a treaty to opt out of the war. The infighting that followed was even more brutal and outlasted the Great War itself. Then things looked mostly peaceful again for a while, until there was a coup in Germany. Some treaties were changed to appease any reason Germany might have had to go to war, the Communists even bribed them, but to no avail. Meanwhile, Japan was already in Manchuria to protect those poor Koreans and Chinese from the evils of Communism. War had broken out again before most realised it. Even though the Communists put a stop to the treasonous war-mongering Germans, and even though neither Germany nor the Communists have started a war again since then, war has never stopped. There is just too much money to be made. So of course when Russia stopped being communist, they almost immediately started a war with Chechnya. Ka-ching!
Next a Cardassian will start calling them to see if they would like an extended warranty and the Dominion will go back through the wormhole in annoyance.
If only it was that simply lol. But I do wonder how things would have played out if Picard was in Sisko's shoes, being as he's far more diplomatic, would have been interesting to see some of the conversations with him and Dukat, weyoun and others.
It would have been pointless, because the Dominion would have just used Picard's attempts for peace to step all over him. Part of Sisko's usefulness was that he never believed the dominion actually wanted peace, thus couldn't be lulled into a false perception of peace. So all they would have done was tell Picard one thing and do another. Picard was the type of man who would drop his guard just to try to calm things, but that would have been a critical error when dealing with the dominion, as they had no intention of peace.
@@peoplez129 I disagree on this. Picard was a highly intelligent man, a student of history, and he could read his opponents. He definitely would have been more by the book than Sisko, but I don't doubt that Picard would have realized what kind of monsters he was dealing with and would have behaved appropriately.
@@ricardogalvan1031 We see multiple times where Picard dropped his guard to give an olive branch in hopes of calming things. But that's exactly the games the Dominion liked to play. You can see many times how Weyun would say one thing to Sisko but it being a front. The Dominion would even pretend to be keeping up its end of the bargain, while secretly doing other things. Picard wasn't dumb, but it's not about being dumb, it's about making concessions that become critical mistakes that allow the Dominion to get what they want. Picard is more of a "well we did everything we could to appease them" type of person. But when it plays into the hands of your enemies rather than thwarting them, it's a crucial mistake. Even Sisko almost made some mistakes, for example, giving up territory that the Dominion secretly wanted for their white supply. Picard might have actually given it to them as an olive branch, not even realizing it was going to be used for that.
Personally I think when the war started any STTNG movie after the war was started should have been about how Picard & Enterprise handled the war on their end.
Something I find strange is that they always allow armed Jem Hadar onto the station. That would be like if a Russian ambassador were to come to the Pentagon, and they allowed him to have armed soldiers.
My guess is Picard was never at any negotiation tables because he saw that the Dominion had no real interest in diplomacy and used it as a trapped, but never brought the Enterprise to the frontlines because he didn’t want to be a war man, knew the Federation weren’t a military, didn’t want to drag his crew into the fray and wished to keep his ship or the name ‘Enterprise’ painted on its hull from being tainted by war, especially given that it’s the flagship of Starfleet and that meant something big.
Picard too soft for the Dominion he had a chance to destroy the borg when they created that program and then the admiral d got on his butt for not doing it
Exactly. Picard thinks his principles are above reproach and because of that thinking it has cost Starfleet on more than one occasion. Sisko on the other hand is a realist and realizes everything isn't black & white, there are shades of gray. Picard & Janeway believe in doing the right thing no matter what. Sisko understands that the right thing isn't necessarily the best thing.
Resistance is futile. Your cultural and individual distinctiveness will be added to our own. You will live forever, or be forgotten by history. And you can put away your guns, they won't work here.
I always thought a simple scene where the Defiant was surrounded in battle and the Enterprise-E swung by and destroyed a few enemy ships in one salvo while on its way into the thick of the Dominion Fleet while picking off ships as it flew on. No hails but maybe a close up of the hull showing her name briefly, letting us know that she’s there taking the fight to the enemy. 🥹🥲
Never noticed it til now, but the actress of the Founder is a leftie. Kinda brings a smile to my face that one of the main villains is a Southpaw like myself.
Picard would never have stood for peace between the federation/starfleet and the dominion, if he knew what they stood for... At least after the first 4 years of TNG.
Yes bc he would delay rearmament and preparation giving the Dominion a huge advantage, putting billions of lives at risk. Remember he got Maxwell fired despite his accurate warnings about Cardassian militarization of the DMZ.
The female founder must have been given the cure; she looks in good shape. I don't know where is in the timeline, nut as a prophet Sisko has some control over the wormhole.
This is right at the very end of DS9 after Odo cured the Founder of the Section 31 virus and agreed to return to the Great Link to do the same for the rest of his people.
What's sad, is this is actually a typical Star Trek resolution! Anyone remember Species 8472? No...of course not, because of this. I'm just glad they didn't that we're all good and peaceful now crap with the Dominion!
As much as I loved TNG, DS9 is far & away my favorite series in the franchise. I have it on DVD and will give a kidney (not exactly mine) if Paramount/ CBS/ Viacom/ Whomever remasters the series in high definition and re-releases it.
"That's not our captain!" "Doesn't matter who he is, we can't let him get away with this." Oh wait, wrong captain. Wrong series. Wrong ship. The Vulcans are pacifists. As Surak explained in _The Savage Curtain,_ Vulkans would rather die than participate in war. This is how they achieved peace. And as ambassador Spock observed, Picard had an almost Vulcanian personality. So… War? We don't do that anymore, Q. Alii belli gererunt… "Why do you resist? We offer superior technology, immortality, and an improved quality of life for all." "It's vile!" "It's just like the Federation."
The Dominion wanted to get as many warships through the wormhole as possible during peacetime, in order to conquer the Alpha quadrant afterwards when their forces, would have even outmatched the collected superpowers in the Alpha quadrants armies. The dominion was therefore winning the pre-war peace by having warships pass into the Alpha quadrant from the gamma quadrant through the wormhole and Starfleet was forced to mine the wormhole closed, if it wanted to survive in the near future. The Dominion is a hyperpower in the gamma quadrant, were as the federation only was one of the superpowers in the Alfa quadrant. No matter Picard, the war was inevitable because of the dominion's ideology of domination of all solid lifeforms, into submission. " What you can control, can't hurt you". The founders and the dominions ideology. The only reason the combined forces of the Federation, Klingons, and Romulans were able to defeat the Dominion was, that the dominion didn't get their full forces through the wormhole before it was mined and later because the beings in the wormhole, didn't allow the main force, to pass it. The distance from the Gamma- too the Alpha quadrant by warship at full warp speed constantly, were 70.000 light-years or about 70 years of travel. 1000 lightyears in a year of travel at full warp. The dominions war breed biologically engineered Jem'Hadars only normally had a lifespan of 20 years and no-one had lived past 30. Therefore a dominion military army could not travel by full warp from the Gamma to the Alpha quadrant, since all soldiers would so had died many times over from old age, before they would have arrived. so to summarise, even Picard's skills in diplomacy wouldn't have changed anything, if he had been in the DS9 series. But his skill in perceiving malicious deception would had probably and he would have collapsed the wormhole at once or had it mined, longtime before Sisko reacted and did something about it.
Wouldn't it have been fun if, instead of taking DS9, the cardassians just formed a warp bubble around Terok Nor and parked it right between DS9 and the worm hole?
Picard wouldn't have given the Dominion any reason to start a war. If they had started a war anyway, it would not have been with the Federation. Afterwards, the Federation would have been the strongest power left. Either way, the Federation would have assimilated the Dominion sooner or later. The Klingon empire was about to join, and reunification with Romulus was within reach.
@@potsdam28 Not an excuse, of course they don't need that. But war is a costly endeavour, the Dominion didn't attack right away, they tried diplomacy first. If weapons and the unconditional loyalty of their thralls was all they had, with no sustainable economy to feed their troops, war woukd have been the Dominion''s only option (absent an altruistic civ to nurture them, but the Founders would not have liked not being at the top anymore). But they tried diplomacy first, so war was not their only option nor their first resort; they felt they had something left to lose. They did try to colonise the alpha quadrant through more subtle, and much cheaper, means. Which failed. They might have started a war either way, but there was no reason for the Federation to be involved. But with Sisko, the Dominion had only two choices: Attack the Federation, or give up all their assets in the alpha quadrant and risk being attacked by any of the powers there. Sisko got the Federation involved because above all he wanted to protect Bajor at any cost. (How patronising; and he said in the first episode that he didn't want the Federation to unilaterally set Bajoran policy just because they could.) Who does this Sisko think he is, making far-reaching decisions for others like that? A Bajoran Prophet or something?
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As part of the treaty, the federation gets control of the Weyoun clones so they can kill him over and over.
PERHAPS
HE SHOULD TALK TO
WORF AGAIN
Weyoun was cool tho
@@andrewblanchard2398 **sets to loop**
But there weren’t any clones left.
Killing a Weyoun clone now part of the final exam at Starfleet Academy.
I liked the part where Captain Kirk said "I shall make a peace treaty" and then peace treatied all over the place onto the Founder.
I liked the part where Kirk banged the female founder while teaching her about this strange emotion called love.
i like the part where you learn a second joke.
@@TheEvilCheesecakeYea I'm not even sure what this repurposed Morbius meme is even doing here
Weyoun: “I just wanted you to know that you can't just say ‘All disagreements are resolved’ and expect anything to happen.”
Picard: “I didn't say it. I declared it.”
😂 I got this.
It is actually a shame we never saw what the enterprise under Picard did during the domininon war. (But I guess there a like 500 Books about it, right?)
I wish Insurrection was about the Dominion War...
I wish
@@seanraines5871 you wish what?
@Tracchofyre I was referring to within the realm of the movie Insurrection...
Apparently they were worried about Picard's stability after being assimilated by the Borg, and the Enterprise was mostly sent around on diplomatic missions, mainly to impress people with how the Federation was so unconcerned with the war that they sent their flagship, one of the most powerful ships in their fleet, to serve as an interstellar Hyatt for ambassadors to rub elbows in.
Lol, the Breen got screwed so hard by the dominion, they joined literally as the dominion surrendered. You can't see their faces but you just know the ones standing behind the changeling are just steaming mad. 😂
Or they're playing a long game and plotting against everyone else, simply using the Dominion as pawns.
I thought the same thing.
And The Breen, though possessing the “Star Trek c list alien races” mysteriousness and scary alien tech (like the Tholian web or the Sheliak colony ship creepiness ) and the backstory of 1v1 ing the Klingons and winning, ultimately turned out to be something of a paper tiger. Their exclusive energy draining beam weapon was reverse engineered by the Allies and without that tech their ships were a one trick ponies. Suck to be them.
I found it out of character of them showing up to singing the peace treaty. How does that make sense?
@@captainLoknarWell, if they didn't sign, they would either have to negotiate a different peace on their own, in a weaker position, or continue fighting the alliance on their own.
I've always wondered: when the female Founder signed the peace treaty, what did she write? If she had a name, it was never mentioned in the series.
She signed FS. FEMALE SHAPE SHIFTER.
It was shape-shiftink
The pen wasn't real; just an extension of her arm. The mark she made was the changeling equivalent of a mushroom stamp.
I'd guess she wrote down "Founder", followed by the full formal name of the Dominion.
The drop in the ocean
I liked Weyoun better when he was Shran the Andorian.
or Brunt.
Me too
Agreed
Shran’rian Law
I liked him better when he was Herbert West
Hi Jeffrey combs, even under that makeup, I can still recognize that amazing voice
The moment Dukat brokered an alliance between Cardassia and the Dominion, war was inevitable. DS9 even showed had Bajor allied with Cardassia, war would never have happened. The Federation made the mistake letting the spoonheads be put in such a bad position. Naturally they'd look for some way out of it.
Never back your enemy so far into a corner that you give him no other way out. Always let him have a way to "lose with honor". Or, as was the case in WW2, have such overwhelming force that literally nothing the enemy can do will matter.
@@darthimperious1594 "And if your enemy is stubborn, then obliterate them so completely that the next one is more willing to take the loss." - Genghis Khan probably
Yes, it's kind of a WWI Germany or 21st century Russia diplomacy error. Shaft people economically and marginalize them culturally, and lash out.
The Dominion goaded the Klingons into attacking.
The original comment here about the Cardassians ... Gul Dukat, in particular ... is the most accurate. After the failed Tal Shiar/Obsidian Order op in the GQ ... the Cardassians were ripe for Gul Dukat to do EXACTLY what he did (which is why the Dominion targeted those two secret organizations specifically). The Cardassians had been looking to regain stature in the AQ ... and Gul Dukat wanted stature for himself. it was a recipe for intergalactic disaster.
Truth be told, Sisko gave the Federation as much time as one human could for them to prepare for war. He kept Bajor out of the fighting outright. He got the Klingons back in the fold, and worked with Garak to get the Romulans off the NAP.
and Janeway would give diplomacy a try with the Dominion but at the first point she sees it’s pointless, she’d be more ruthless than Sisko to protect her crew.
(just putting it out there, i love her)
Janeway was WEAK both physically and mentally.
I dunno, she was often a terrible tactician---remember "The Year of Hell" where she waited until the enemy ship had hit Voyager enough to kill a bridge crewmember and THEN decided to go to battlestations? LOL
I love Janeway too but to get in the way of her crew is asking for it
You mean she'd be motivated by random bursts of passion and anger, all while spouting something about the prime directive whilst simultaneously ignoring it and being an absolute hypocrite?
I thought Janeway 1v1ing the borg was Mary Sue-tier ngl.
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
Perfect line from Data, Brent spiner delivered it perfectly
_yes, fascinating indeed_
I'd love to know what her signature said:
'Shapeshifter Karen'
I don't think any of Picard's rousing speeches would have stopped the Dominion from attacking
You're right, it took Species 8472, Janeway and the marquis to stop the Borg. Picard never defeated them.
@@williewhite1901 The Dominion are not the Borg.
The Borg would probably consider the Dominion to be beneath them and not even bother assimilating them.
@@davidwuhrer6704 unlikely, remember the jemhadar was born in maturation chambers and, like the klingons, would fight to the death. "Obedience is life" and "it's a good day to die". On the other hand, Chief O'Brian, "I'm Alive and plan to stay that way ". And the Borg, "resistance is futile".
@@williewhite1901 That's why the Dominion are of no worth to the Borg.
I agree, but the Borg couldn't survive an attack by the Breen.
Only Picard could talk them out of war by his mere presences
The ORIGINAL Picard could. Not this shadow of the man on television right now.
It never happened and by Picard season II the Bajorians might have FTL flight.
In DS9 Picard literally put light years between himself and Bajor. Was a jerk to Sisko even though Sisko had every reason to *HATE* Picard
@@project_nihilist Sisko had zero reason to hate Picard. You don't blame someone for what they did when they were assimilated. Also, when was Picard ever a dick to Sisko? He made him tea and said nice to meet you.
Thanks for your thoughts. I can see you r more of a sisko guy. But Picard has always had his great speaking skills.
Have a great weekend 👍👍👍🖖🏻live long & prosper
He wasn't a jerk to sisko,by the end of the pilot they respected eachother and sisko forgave him in away.
Still better writing than star trek Discovery
Monkeys throwing sh*t at the cameras is better then STD (notice I used the initials?).
Or voyager for that matter
@@ansonellis443 I found Voyager very also ran obviously a cash cow.
Picard. Tri Lithium Balls.
😂
Picard was captain of the Enterprise during the Dominion war. He was in charge of keeping the Alpha Quadrant togather but I believe he was in command when they destroyed the shipyard and he helped Liberate Betazed
this is how peace is made
Correct he and the Enterprise did alot behind the scenes and also drove the breen from earth and helped vulcan and the battles near it.
As with all peace treaties in the past, the negotiators never take into consideration future problems which could occur as a result of the reasons for a peace treaty in the first place. For example: the negotiators of the Vietnam War never considered demanding the release of all POW's being held in captivity by the NVA. To this day, how many of our fighting men in North Vietnam have died waiting to be released so that they could come home. No one knows. In this instance, the Alpha Quadrant never considered that many founders were still out and about thinking of ways to seek revenge against the federation, klingons, romulans, etc. for their defeat during the dominion war. Had they even considered having all founders still in the Alpha quadrant return to the great link, then it is probable that what happened on Picard season 3 would not have happened. Just a thought. However, I think that Mr. Roddenberry( R.I.P. ) would have been proud of the end result either way.
Founders at the highest levels are left-handed.
Founders use signatures ?!
@@casbot71 I think she wrote FUCK YOU on the surrender document.
They did research many years ago and found out that 70 per cent of gang leaders were left-handed. And southpaws are overly-represented in our list of presidents as well. Fully -one-third were, and are.
@@casbot71 Founders use hands?
It was so simple! I wish someone came up with this brilliant idea during WW1, WW2 wouldn't even happened and neither would communism!
Some people did.
Bismarck brokered a secret deal between Germany and Russia that made war impossible. Then he was fired by his boss who didn't like the idea of peace at all.
The next guy to think of it was assassinated. Then war was declared.
Then the Tsar abdicated. This resulted in several groups wanting to ascend to power. One of them (the Communists) signed a treaty to opt out of the war. The infighting that followed was even more brutal and outlasted the Great War itself.
Then things looked mostly peaceful again for a while, until there was a coup in Germany. Some treaties were changed to appease any reason Germany might have had to go to war, the Communists even bribed them, but to no avail. Meanwhile, Japan was already in Manchuria to protect those poor Koreans and Chinese from the evils of Communism. War had broken out again before most realised it.
Even though the Communists put a stop to the treasonous war-mongering Germans, and even though neither Germany nor the Communists have started a war again since then, war has never stopped. There is just too much money to be made.
So of course when Russia stopped being communist, they almost immediately started a war with Chechnya. Ka-ching!
Actually it was when Dr. Bashir walked in and said "We can at least agree that Stacy's mom has got it going on, right?"
If only it were that simple.
Last scene: the Dominion just BOUGHT DS9 and they’re signing the paper work.
Next a Cardassian will start calling them to see if they would like an extended warranty and the Dominion will go back through the wormhole in annoyance.
Hello, could you do a versus video of The Jem'Hadar against the Super Soldiers of TNG Season 3 Eps.11 "The Hunted".
Or vs Khan and company
I too find the federations soldiers to be weak, and slow. They look and act more like Hollywood extras rather than U.S. Marines.
If only it was that simply lol.
But I do wonder how things would have played out if Picard was in Sisko's shoes, being as he's far more diplomatic, would have been interesting to see some of the conversations with him and Dukat, weyoun and others.
It would have been pointless, because the Dominion would have just used Picard's attempts for peace to step all over him. Part of Sisko's usefulness was that he never believed the dominion actually wanted peace, thus couldn't be lulled into a false perception of peace. So all they would have done was tell Picard one thing and do another. Picard was the type of man who would drop his guard just to try to calm things, but that would have been a critical error when dealing with the dominion, as they had no intention of peace.
@@peoplez129 I disagree on this. Picard was a highly intelligent man, a student of history, and he could read his opponents. He definitely would have been more by the book than Sisko, but I don't doubt that Picard would have realized what kind of monsters he was dealing with and would have behaved appropriately.
@@ricardogalvan1031 We see multiple times where Picard dropped his guard to give an olive branch in hopes of calming things. But that's exactly the games the Dominion liked to play. You can see many times how Weyun would say one thing to Sisko but it being a front. The Dominion would even pretend to be keeping up its end of the bargain, while secretly doing other things. Picard wasn't dumb, but it's not about being dumb, it's about making concessions that become critical mistakes that allow the Dominion to get what they want. Picard is more of a "well we did everything we could to appease them" type of person. But when it plays into the hands of your enemies rather than thwarting them, it's a crucial mistake. Even Sisko almost made some mistakes, for example, giving up territory that the Dominion secretly wanted for their white supply. Picard might have actually given it to them as an olive branch, not even realizing it was going to be used for that.
There’s an old vulcan saying “only Picard can end a galactic conflict with a toast”
I see what you did there
😂🤣
Only Deng could go to Japan.
CLASSIC
JEAN LUC PICARD
I wished there were at least mentions on the show. A line here, a tactical map with the enterprise on it.
0:22 I was expecting “that’ll be the day” or his first contact outburst
I was expecting the Recut Picard that pulverized Cardassia
Picard would never have lasted 1 season against the Dominion.
They'd have gone the way of the Odyssey
Personally I think when the war started any STTNG movie after the war was started should have been about how Picard & Enterprise handled the war on their end.
Biggest missed opportunity of all time…
Something I find strange is that they always allow armed Jem Hadar onto the station. That would be like if a Russian ambassador were to come to the Pentagon, and they allowed him to have armed soldiers.
Jean-Luc Picard. Truly the master diplomat.
My guess is Picard was never at any negotiation tables because he saw that the Dominion had no real interest in diplomacy and used it as a trapped, but never brought the Enterprise to the frontlines because he didn’t want to be a war man, knew the Federation weren’t a military, didn’t want to drag his crew into the fray and wished to keep his ship or the name ‘Enterprise’ painted on its hull from being tainted by war, especially given that it’s the flagship of Starfleet and that meant something big.
Picard would’ve ended the war quickly, by surrendering once again.
Well he is French.
I hereby declare this disagreement in abeyance! Now, do you want to wait for the Grizzelas to wake up, or are you going to let me have my minefield? 😛
Make it so
Balder heads prevailed
Picard too soft for the Dominion he had a chance to destroy the borg when they created that program and then the admiral d got on his butt for not doing it
He did the right thing for the time
Exactly. Picard thinks his principles are above reproach and because of that thinking it has cost Starfleet on more than one occasion. Sisko on the other hand is a realist and realizes everything isn't black & white, there are shades of gray. Picard & Janeway believe in doing the right thing no matter what. Sisko understands that the right thing isn't necessarily the best thing.
Resistance is futile. Your cultural and individual distinctiveness will be added to our own. You will live forever, or be forgotten by history.
And you can put away your guns, they won't work here.
Odo ended the Dominion War, on Cardassia Prime, when he melded with, (Salome Jens) the Female Changeling, Founder.
And healed her from Section 31's plague.
@@johngregory4801 yeah, he shapeshfted her changeling right in front of Col. Keri and Garak!
Just a thought, I found it funny that the founder would be signing in ink like in the olden days :D
They have to respect other cultures for there to be peace.
Shame on me - I automatically thought of the walking robot corpse of Picard, not the ACTUAL Picard… my bad, but also Paramount/CBS’ bad…
That was, absolutely... thrilling.
and stupid.
I always thought a simple scene where the Defiant was surrounded in battle and the Enterprise-E swung by and destroyed a few enemy ships in one salvo while on its way into the thick of the Dominion Fleet while picking off ships as it flew on.
No hails but maybe a close up of the hull showing her name briefly, letting us know that she’s there taking the fight to the enemy. 🥹🥲
Never noticed it til now, but the actress of the Founder is a leftie. Kinda brings a smile to my face that one of the main villains is a Southpaw like myself.
The treaty is laminated, just like the menu at IHOP
Where do those > 100k views come from? 😲
There are some peace only found on the other side of war
If they only knew what came next...
All mon Capitan would have done is quote Shakespeare then slink off to Whoopi Goldbergs bar
Sits anxiously at Guidan's bar. Guiden tells him a story like "war bad" and Picard's like that's it! And solves the whole thing
So,, Shram of the Andorian character still came around to play the kadasian 🤔?
Picard would never have stood for peace between the federation/starfleet and the dominion, if he knew what they stood for... At least after the first 4 years of TNG.
Yeah… The Dominion are honestly worse than the Borg. The Borg are more like a force of nature. The Dominion is consciously evil.
But there was still a war, with mournful music playing and everything.
I wonder why Picard and the Enterprise didn't fight in the Dominion War?
Wow! That went well.
Lol Picard wouldve just blundered away any Federation advantage in pursuit of his idealism.
Would he be wrong though
Yes bc he would delay rearmament and preparation giving the Dominion a huge advantage, putting billions of lives at risk. Remember he got Maxwell fired despite his accurate warnings about Cardassian militarization of the DMZ.
@@no1reallycaresabout2 What advantages? The Dominion always had superior tech and numbers.
Starfleet tradition > Dominion politics,..
If not, there’s always 31…
Whew!
That was a close one....
@@syaondri And Jadzia might've died!
Damn... Some people want to take all the credit for themselves.
I always thought Jean Luc was above all that.
Pity.
😂🤣
The female founder must have been given the cure; she looks in good shape. I don't know where is in the timeline, nut as a prophet Sisko has some control over the wormhole.
This is right at the very end of DS9 after Odo cured the Founder of the Section 31 virus and agreed to return to the Great Link to do the same for the rest of his people.
I wonder what the Female changling signed. She doesn’t even have an official name nor cares to have one.
Garak killed Weyoun 7 on Cardassia Prime. He was the last Weyoun Clone.
That dude looks like Zoolander.
Weyoun lost his antennae and became another type of pink skin!? 😂
Only a piece of paper, still take over the alpha quadrant 😅😃🤣😂
Does the dominion owns a vineyard?
WELL there went at least a couple seasons right there...wiped right out...
Make it so!
thank you . ( 2022 / June / 24 )
Kevin moynihan here I hope this true very bad if the Dominion win against the u.f.p in 2023
Picard is my favorite human. He solves all problems.
01:09 Pen toss had a hint too much attitude behind it for my liking. 🤔
John Travolta let himself go, eh?
LOL LOOK 1:08 behind the others. This guys with the helm with green eys visitor, looks that thing not like the helm, Leia used in star wars? xD
Must of missed that episode...🤔🤔
1:08 I'm assuming the Founders never needed to sign documents before, so did she create a signature just for this?
What's sad, is this is actually a typical Star Trek resolution! Anyone remember Species 8472? No...of course not, because of this. I'm just glad they didn't that we're all good and peaceful now crap with the Dominion!
Now kiss and make up.
too bad. A few more seasons with war and a few less about Quark getting his ears massaged would have been nice.
Yea picard wouldn't last 10 seconds dealing with the dominion
As much as I loved TNG, DS9 is far & away my favorite series in the franchise. I have it on DVD and will give a kidney (not exactly mine) if Paramount/ CBS/ Viacom/ Whomever remasters the series in high definition and re-releases it.
Only seems as it should be . Since one man took it upon himself to start that war in the first place one man should end it .
I wish picard and the enterprise were part of the dominion war
Yes, that would have been interesting
"That's not our captain!"
"Doesn't matter who he is, we can't let him get away with this."
Oh wait, wrong captain. Wrong series. Wrong ship.
The Vulcans are pacifists. As Surak explained in _The Savage Curtain,_ Vulkans would rather die than participate in war. This is how they achieved peace.
And as ambassador Spock observed, Picard had an almost Vulcanian personality.
So…
War? We don't do that anymore, Q.
Alii belli gererunt…
"Why do you resist? We offer superior technology, immortality, and an improved quality of life for all."
"It's vile!"
"It's just like the Federation."
LIKE A BOSS!
Man that could have saved six seasons
Brilliant!
Hahaha totally resolved
Jeffrey Combes!
Ok that was funny.
Well that was easy😄
Yet another example of how incredibly unrealistic “Gene’s Vision” was
When pricard speaks even Q listens Intently
What choice does Q have? Janeway declines every offer and Sisko punched him. Even the lower deckers don't want him around.
Yeah sure
The Dominion wanted to get as many warships through the wormhole as possible during peacetime, in order to conquer the Alpha quadrant afterwards when their forces, would have even outmatched the collected superpowers in the Alpha quadrants armies. The dominion was therefore winning the pre-war peace by having warships pass into the Alpha quadrant from the gamma quadrant through the wormhole and Starfleet was forced to mine the wormhole closed, if it wanted to survive in the near future. The Dominion is a hyperpower in the gamma quadrant, were as the federation only was one of the superpowers in the Alfa quadrant. No matter Picard, the war was inevitable because of the dominion's ideology of domination of all solid lifeforms, into submission. " What you can control, can't hurt you". The founders and the dominions ideology. The only reason the combined forces of the Federation, Klingons, and Romulans were able to defeat the Dominion was, that the dominion didn't get their full forces through the wormhole before it was mined and later because the beings in the wormhole, didn't allow the main force, to pass it. The distance from the Gamma- too the Alpha quadrant by warship at full warp speed constantly, were 70.000 light-years or about 70 years of travel. 1000 lightyears in a year of travel at full warp. The dominions war breed biologically engineered Jem'Hadars only normally had a lifespan of 20 years and no-one had lived past 30. Therefore a dominion military army could not travel by full warp from the Gamma to the Alpha quadrant, since all soldiers would so had died many times over from old age, before they would have arrived.
so to summarise, even Picard's skills in diplomacy wouldn't have changed anything, if he had been in the DS9 series. But his skill in perceiving malicious deception would had probably and he would have collapsed the wormhole at once or had it mined, longtime before Sisko reacted and did something about it.
Picard is a waste of time
Janeway would have done her i dont like threats or you speech scared the shit out of weyoun and they would have had to re write the whole series lol
Leave it to Picard to fix everything with one sentence. lol
Wouldn't it have been fun if, instead of taking DS9, the cardassians just formed a warp bubble around Terok Nor and parked it right between DS9 and the worm hole?
Terak nor is ds9
Unless you mean empak nor, the sister station
Wow. So...this was stupid.
Picard would shut down wormhole before dominion ever really got started.
He’d be concerned that would alienate the Bajorans since their gods live in it
Naw potsdam28 is right
Picard wouldn't have given the Dominion any reason to start a war.
If they had started a war anyway, it would not have been with the Federation.
Afterwards, the Federation would have been the strongest power left.
Either way, the Federation would have assimilated the Dominion sooner or later. The Klingon empire was about to join, and reunification with Romulus was within reach.
@@davidwuhrer6704 Dominion didn’t need an excuse. Plus he was willing to blockade Romulans from entering Klingon space.
@@potsdam28 Not an excuse, of course they don't need that. But war is a costly endeavour, the Dominion didn't attack right away, they tried diplomacy first.
If weapons and the unconditional loyalty of their thralls was all they had, with no sustainable economy to feed their troops, war woukd have been the Dominion''s only option (absent an altruistic civ to nurture them, but the Founders would not have liked not being at the top anymore).
But they tried diplomacy first, so war was not their only option nor their first resort; they felt they had something left to lose. They did try to colonise the alpha quadrant through more subtle, and much cheaper, means. Which failed.
They might have started a war either way, but there was no reason for the Federation to be involved. But with Sisko, the Dominion had only two choices: Attack the Federation, or give up all their assets in the alpha quadrant and risk being attacked by any of the powers there. Sisko got the Federation involved because above all he wanted to protect Bajor at any cost. (How patronising; and he said in the first episode that he didn't want the Federation to unilaterally set Bajoran policy just because they could.)
Who does this Sisko think he is, making far-reaching decisions for others like that? A Bajoran Prophet or something?