First Time Hearing Fleetwood Mac - The Chain Reaction Video - ROCK MIXED WITH A LITTLE COUNTRY?
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Rumors released in 1977 and over 40 million albums sold worldwide. All while there were several breakups going on in the band. This is a group of highly talented people individually, but exploded collectively with hit after hit. You simply must do this entire album. Many of the band members have continued making music for 50 years. But we lost Christine McVie recently. RIP.
This band is indeed one of the most popular in US and many other countries!
They are legends
Hey guys thats not a banjo , its a dobro guitar. Lindsey Buckingham is a very unique guitar player. He uses a few alternate tunings and has a sort of unorthadox picking approach at times. Also , you've probably heard Fleetwood Mac before just didn't know it was them. Their music has been used in commercials & tv , not sure about movies.
Lindsey did Holliday Road for the movie Vacation
@@michaelsmith-iu1be “The Chain” was also included in Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
Aka ‘resonator guitar’
He is such an underrated guitarist. Love him!
Fleetwood Mac are a British/American rock band formed in London in 1967. Their album "Rumours" (1977) has sold over 40 million copies worldwide, making it one of the best-selling albums in history. All the songs on it are great. "Go Your Own Way", "Dreams", "Don't Stop", "You Make Loving Fun". "Second Hand News", "Gold Dust Woman" etc. Other songs from other albums are "Over My Head", "Say You Love Me", "Rhiannon", "Landslide", "Tusk", "Think About Me", "Sara", "Hold Me", "Love In Store", "Gypsy", "Oh Diane" etc. Sadly Christine McVie passed away last year.
'You Make Loving Fun' is one of my favorites
you forgot their most popular earlier songs Hypnotize
Well, they were a British band until Mick Fleetwood heard the album Americans Buckingham Nicks had put out and asked them to join the band.
Dagmars you always come with a 🔥 list! 😂
Unreal album
You never know what you’re going to get from 70’s music; This album is a masterpiece and all teenagers from the 70’s had this album playing on our turntables, great group
The thing that amazes me is that they managed to complete the album without chopping eachother to pieces or od 😂
Yes we did ! 😊
And most the adults as well.
Lot's of variety in Fleetwood Mac to check out! Particularly since three members take turns as lead vocalist and there was a completely different blues version of the band early in their career. Also, this album was made while everyone in the band was going through a break up...in most cases, with each other! The guitarist and one of the singers were breaking up and the bassist and Keyboardist were going through a divorce. They were all writing songs directed at each other! It's an emotionally charged album.
As you described a band full of a lot of drama and BS, but it did result in good music for those of us on the outside.
That sounds like a giant ball of energy worth looking into! 😂
Now you're getting Rock royalty Hall of Fame Fleetwood Mac
Landslide, Dreams, Rhiannon, Gypsy, Sara, Gold Dust Woman, Everywhere, Go Your Own Way, You Make Loving Fun, Tusk, Never Going Back Again, Don't Stop, Silver Springs( live from The Dance), Say You Love Me, Over My Head are good songs too start with. They are a mix of American and British. Three different members sing lead. Stevie Nicks would be the most famous member. She is a rock goddess and has been known to enchant reactors with her voice and presence even with songs that care decades old.
Thx for all the intel & suggestions!
Back story on this band is crucial. Two couples (guitarist Lindsey Buckingham-singer Stevie Nicks, bassist John McVie-singer/keyboards Christine McVie) were breaking up when this record was made.
Their best music a mix of anguished breakup songs (like this) and breezy/beautiful love songs.
Personal and musical chemistry intertwined.
Mick Fleetwood was having the same issues.
Great reaction guys! They were extremely popular back in the day and have a large selection of songs to choose from. Several band members had on and off again relationships and the emotions come though in their songs.
The entire Rumours album is amazing…and their 1988 album Tango in the Night is excellent.
Keep reacting to Fleetwood Mac.
Thank god for the dysfunction in this band that gave us so much awesome music👍🏼
Good introduction to The Mac .. please continue. ❤
When the band was writing the song, there 3 couples going through breakups. The chain was the band Fleetwood Mac, they voweled to never let the personal problems break up the band.
Formed in the 60s by drummer MICK FLEETWOOD, (Fleetwood Mick) the group went through several guitar changes, style, and personnel. In 1975, Mick heard a tape by Buckingham/Nicks and really liked the guitar. Linsey Buckingham happened to be there in the studio. Mick asked him to join the group, and Linsey said "as long as my girlfriend Stevie (Nicks, the queen of rock and roll). After discussions with Christine and John McVeigh (keys and bass) they gave it a try. One of rocks most talented and mystical bands.
The style you are looking for is "Desert Rock". Filled with traces of Spanish style guitar, Texas blues, flamenco, and mariachi. The Doors and the Eagles also did some "Desert Rock" songs, indicative of the southern California, Sound City sound. Tom Petty, and the Eagles also recorded there, all using a unique sounding Neve console in the booth.
"FM" sound is also a term used for this.
The entire Rumors album is amazing. A true classic. A vibe of it’s own you have to listen to.
One of the best albums ever produced.
Unquestionably one of the greatest albums ever made. Incredible female vocalists and songwriters and then Lindsey Buckingham songwriting, singing and guitar plucking is epic. You should just pick a song a month and go with it. Dreams, Gold Dust Woman, You Make Loving Fun, Go Your Own Way
Fleetwood Mac was founded by guitarists and vocalists Peter Green and Jeremy Spencer and drummer Mick Fleetwood. Bob Brunning was hired as a temporary bass guitarist before John McVie joined the line-up in time for their eponymous debut album. Danny Kirwan joined as a third guitarist and vocalist in 1968. Keyboardist and vocalist Christine Perfect, who contributed as a session musician starting with the band's second album, married McVie and joined Fleetwood Mac as a full member in 1970, becoming known as Christine McVie. Wikipedia.
Fleetwood after Mick Fleetwood.
Mac after John McVie.
Stevie and Lindsey trying to mend their ongoing relationship. I'm 70 now, back when I was 24 or so, Rumours came out. Every song is fantastic. Back then, it was the time of getting high on the beach, Disco, and never thinking that all this would be analyzed by future generations like a course in archaeology.
Always been one of my favorites! ❤
You guy's are my fave couple on youtube:). You guy's have a great sense of humor and u like good music
Thank you! :)
Just found your channel, I can't wait to suggest some music for you...I'm retired radio jock from the 70's-2011, Primarly in "classic rock" but there is so, so much to dive into...but Fleetwood Mac was considered rock back in the day, a little softer, but there wasn't a teenager alive at that time that didn't have this album, I had it on 8-track, cassette, and album. Rock ON!!
Fleetwood Mac is great, a great cover to this song was done by Little Big Town at the CMA’s live with Keith Urban on the guitar which you will appreciate. A fun song by Little Big Town that will get stuck in your head I’d called Wine, Beer, whiskey. I never knew you could make a song with so many types of liquor 😂
Then you’d like the song “One Bourbon, One Scotch, and One Beer”!.
One of the most recognizable bass lines in music history, and some of the most incredible lyricism ever.
Originally started by Peter Green. Great British Blues Guitarist. To date this album has sold over 40 million copies. From the base bit was used for years by the BBC as the theme for their Formula 1 coverage.
The greatest soap opera ever written does not compare with the real life story and drama of Fleetwood Mac. Lying, cheating, betrayal, LOVE and then HATRED, the scandals are too numerous to list. There were 2 couples in Fleetwood Mac, and as those relationships were crashing they created this LEGENDARY album--"Rumours". It's all there in the song lyrics.
They had a few hits in the late 60s my favourite being the instrumental Albatross which hit number one.
The live version of Silver Springs from The Dance is, in my opinion, the best song recorded for the album but it was left off of it. It is phenomenal, as are your reactions!
I remember when literally everybody had this on vinyl. I think you could get it for 2 books of S & H stamps.
Stevie Nick's voice is one of the most recognizable voice in rock
An Iconic Band in the history of Music. Rumours continues to be the Top Selling Album of all times.
Y’all “must” read the background surrounding the writing and recording of this Album! The story of Fleetwood Mac and member are too important to not know…then continue reacting. And in that, y’all will discover the Great, Iconic, Stevie Nicks.
One of the top selling albums. Michael Jackson’s Thriller is #1 I believe. Rumors in top five for sure, along with Hotel California by The Eagles.
The "Chain is the Band -- "love and running in the shadows' was the cheating since 2 couples divorcee and broke up... with cheating and drugs fueled the recording sessions. The entire album is what was happening to them at the moment -- Lindsey's amazing guitar solo let out so much rage he felt on his breakup with Stevie at the time -- image reliving those feelings every night playing those songs
This is a tough song to be introduced to Fleetwood Mac. This song is very much about the ending of relationships. Imagine singing about your breakup with the person your leaving is standing right next to you. Live versions you can see the anger as they sing the lyrics.
Fleetwood mac "rhiannon " live 1976. Stevie nicks goes off at the end.
Appreciate and enjoy your thoughtful reaction.
I have one suggestion: Listen to each song from start to finish, because otherwise you dampen for yourselves the musical and emotional impact of critical transitions. To enjoy and appreciate a song completely, you must listen to it from start to finish. Doing so will add value to you already thoughtful reactions.
This song was the first conceived and the last finished for the band's iconic album Rumours, which was created and produced at a time when all members of the band were going through break-ups: Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham, the marriage of John and Christine McVie, and Mick Fleetwood’s marriage to Jenny Boyd. Christine McVie started the composition, others added elements, but the song wasn't unified and recorded until John McVie riffed that incredible baseline that appears three minutes into The Chain. While each band member contributed elements of music, Stevie Nicks wrote the lyrics herself, and along with the music, creates a song that shows the tug of war that occurs as couples fall apart.
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@@rogerdaly6326 Not true. The fair practice exception to copyright protection is much more nuanced than that, and most of the reaction channels I follow never interrupt the song, not even once. They include @andyandalex @JustJP @SalvoG @WILBURNREACTIONS @DiconDissectionalReactions @ElokHsu @Kingejoe @fatherandsonreactions @broaction5343 @thisisitreactions and @JMBOYTV but there are many others.
Most artists do not seek to block UA-cam videos whether their songs are paused. A few, such as the Beatles, block many videos regardless of how many times reactors pause. It's a point that many reactors and viewers don't understand clearly, but I encourage you to view some of the many examples I shared.
They use a lot of styles to create atmosphere in their music
This is not a banjo. It is Lindsey Buckingham on electric guitar. He does often use a banjo claw-hammer technique with the guitar. The effect is totally mesmerizing. Lindsey and Mark Knopfler both play electric guitar finger style, which is sort of unusual.
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At the time of Rumours guitarist and vocalist Lindsey Buckingham was going through a divorce with singer Steve Nicks. And keyboardplayer and vocalist Christine McVie was going through a divorce with bassplayer John McVie. Happy times to record an album.
four classic albums of 1977 Rumours Fleetwood Mac,Silk Degrees Boz Scaggs,Hotel California The Eagles and Bat Out Of Hell Meatloaf
The bass riff on this to me will always be Formula 1 intro music
Stevie and Lindsey are from America! Please play Silver Spring! Thanks!
If you like the end of that song, you'll love this one from start to finish.
Fleetwood Mac/Lindsey Buckingham ~ I'm So Afraid ~ Live 1982
It features the incredible finger-picking rock guitar licks of Lindsey Buckingham. NOT TO BE MISSED!
Nice chain reaction :)
Fleetwood Mac is awesome. You guys GOTTA react to Silver Springs live at Warner Bros. Studios in Burbank, CA in May 1997. Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham (lead guitarist and co-lead vocalist), if you don't yet know, had been in a relationship. Here's a comment from the official YT vid to give you a taste: "Lindsey stealing little glances throughout, then Stevie full on staring into his soul. You cannot tell me she wasn't casting a spell with the intensity of her voice/eyes/emotion. Powerful" Check it out!
You need to check out the original Peter Green Fleetwood Mac(1967-1970). The original "Black Magic Woman" 1968 Peter Green. Then '70-'74 great stuff like Bob Welch "Hypnotized" 1973. I think the 1972 Album "Bare Trees" is a gem "Spare Me a Little of Your Love" Christy McVie(RIP) and many many others. Also Christine Mcvie with "Chicken Shack" sing (Etta James) I'd Rather Go Blind '67
Ok. This was an ok start to your MAC journey. Plz try GYPSY, HYPNOTIZED, AS LONG AS YOU FOLLOW,RHIANNON, AND SO MANY other hits they had. Christine moved just passed a few month ago. R.I.P. to her. Songbird was one of her great leads. Got to see them in Hawaii back in the late 70s and the were great live!!
Just found your channel. An important point to note with Fleetwood Mac is that they went through a radical change in their line up after the departure of Peter Green. The earlier line up was far more blues orientated which I preferred but then I'm of an older generation. That is not to say it was necessarily better or worse and Mac was a consistently good band throughout its existence..
Rock music evolved from the early 1950s to the early-mid-70s and began to incorporate different musical genres. If you're under 40, it might be hard to understand how rock music was still new enough that bands experimented with various musical styles. You don't hear that as much today. So, in the case of Fleetwood Mac, which started out as more of a blues rock band, they morphed into a band that incorporated a lot more folk or country. Bands changed their styles. Look at The Beatles and compare their pre-1965 albums with anything after late 1966-67. They didn't change because the label said to. They changed because they wanted to go in a different direction. That became much harder to do later because labels wanted bands to fit into specific niches - the ones they decided would be marketable. You didn't get a promotional budget if your band didn't fit into one of those niches.
Saw them in 90 in Cinncinatti on their first final Farewell Tour. No Lindsey Buckingham but an amazing show. Try "Edge of Seventeen".
That whome album is awesome....
As you've learned by the time I post this, this is indeed somewhat atypical of The Mac. Unusual structure, relatively little melody. In short, Fleetwood Mac is a long running band, and began as a British blues band in the 60s, named after drummer Mick Fleetwood and Bassist John McVie. After many successful permutations, remaining members Mick and John, and John's wife Christine, took LA duo (Lindsey) Buckingham (Stevie) Nicks into the band, and made history in the 70s. Lots and lots of great stuff.
check out Tusk and Rhiannon by them...
Just fyi it’s not a banjo , it’s Lyndsay Buckinghams custom semi acoustic electric geetar 😅
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You are so right that you are just scratching the surface. Especially when it comes to classic rock as there are the super groups and best known bands which you seem to be working your way through. I think you've done the Beatles, Led Zeppelin and now Fleetwood Mac. I am not sure if you've done the Eagles, Pink Floyd, The Rolling Stones, The Who or Queen. There is a deep, deep well of rock music. I have a Spotify playlist I call 6 Decades of Rock and it has so much more than the best known rock bands, which are represented of course, but lessor known bands and current bands sound just as good alongside the giants of rock.
A suggestion for the next Fleetwood Mac song, "Silver Springs".
Please listen to and give your reaction to Fleetwood mac Songs Dreams / Rhianon / from the Fleetwood Mac Rumours album and Sara /Beautiful Child/ Storms from the Fleetwood Mac Tusk Album .
Dreams is coming but waiting on a copyright claim
try al murry-aka-pub landlord,how the stock market works.
There is no banjo in this song.
That instrument is called a dobro.
7:47 that's a snare drum not a kick drum.
Nobody will complain if you do the live version of this. The emotion adds a whole other layer to this song.
Agree 100%. The raw emotion, when they're staring daggers at each other across the stage, really brings out the meaning of the lyrics.
Ahhhh when younger people discover real music from my youth.....😅. There is not a bad song on this album
Second Hand News is not up to the rest in my opinion
All music is real music
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@@joellansdowne2259 No it's not
Even Songbird?
RIP Christine McVie (12 July 43 - 30 November 22), keyboardist & vocalist. Her song "Songbird" was played a lot in tribute at her passing.
And that's an absolutely wonderful song --- Should be on your list to react to guys!!!
Not to mention Everywhere! It just makes my heart burst no matter where in the world or life I am. and love her lead vocals ❤
Songbird is the one song that rivals The Chain for Best song on Rumours.
Fleetwood Mac 'Rumors', one of the greatest classic rock albums ever made.
Only band in the world that writes and sings hate songd about each other...mostly Stevie and Lindsey. She makes him sing her breakup songs to him..
Pay attention to the lyrics
And she sings the break up songs he wrote about her.
We recently found out ABBA did that too! 😂
It’s not a banjo. It’s Lindsay Buckingham playing his acoustic guitar. An interesting tthing to note is that he finger picks. He’s one of the best guitarists who ever lived. He and Stevie Nicks joined the band as a couple and broke up, but stayed in the band. This song is one of a series of back and forth songs between them in what is the longest running breakup in the history of the world. Listen to Go your own way, Big Love, Blue Letter. But start with their first big hit, Rhiannon. If you stick with it, this is a deep dive that will take a while and you won’t regret it. Much love ❤️
It sounds like a resonator guitar
@@tenoch2112, I never thought it sounded like that.
It was Buckingham playing Dobro (steel) guitar
@@kingspeechless1607, it was his acoustic. The same one he’s used for nearly every song he played on and still uses today. That one and his Les Paul.
And in the understatement of the year, “sounds like the end of a relationship “😂😂😂
Going down a very big rabbit hole with Fleetwood Mac. Enjoy their tracks. I'm from the UK and the end instrumental of this from the bass line was used in our TV highlights coverage of Formula 1 races in the 80's. Very fitting music to the sport!
You need to react to Rhiannon live by Stevie Nicks and Fleetwood Mac one of the great live performances of all time!
Midnight Special version
No banjo on this track. That’s an electric acoustic guitar played by the extremely underrated Lindsey Buckingham. ✌🏼😎
Pretty sure that's a dobro, not an electric acoustic.
One of their best songs…..written during breakups in the band…..
Christine McVie, the keyboardist and one of the songwriters of FW, just recently passed away.
"Rumours" is one of the top selling albums of all time. Recommend listening in its entirety.
SO much to dive into with Fleetwood Mac. Especially on this Rumours album. But one of my favourites by FM is *Rhiannon.* Sung by the lovely Stevie Nicks (she did backing vocals on The Chain). Highly recommend their performance of Rhiannon they did on The Midnight Special. It features so much more than the studio version does (it’s like 2 minutes longer). One of the best live rock performances of all-time imo.
That Midnight Special performance of Rhiannon is a masterpiece.
@@barbjustbarb yeah I get chills every time Stevie goes off at the end
When this album was released in 1977, people gasped at the production values of the album. It was top-tier state-of-the art production for that time. Utter clarity, superb mixing.
The second bass lead part was, as previously mentioned, the Formula 1 theme tune on BBC. It is probably known as the F1 music to most racing fans in the World outside the US.
This album is regarded as one of the greatest perfect albums in rock music. There's just something about rumors., it just kills on every song but each in its own way. And by the way that's not a banjo but a mandolin, but yeah that definitely adds a tiny bit of a Bluegrass or hillbilly element to it, and both of those are also related to country music ultimately. But they were their own sound, to me it's just 70s rock but it's like the best of it.
But seriously, you could wrecked every single song on this album and I don't know if you ever do albums but you could do this one song by song or sometimes people will put two of them together when they go through an album. But this is such an iconic and historic album. It's great to start at the beginning and just experience it all the way to the end, both sides of the record. I can't remember but I think this song might start off side B of the record. It's a fan-favorite but then every song on this album is a fan favorite.
AMEN
The live version of this is amazing.
Any particular one?
@@barsandbarbells2022 yes 1982 Shortly after all of the breakups they went through. ua-cam.com/video/Gus8O0oE0yE/v-deo.html
@@barsandbarbells2022 All are great the one is the 1982 - the Mirage Tour (it was filmed for HBO so they're al dialed up way past 11)
@@barsandbarbells2022 I'm going to say any tbh
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This song is about breakup, well three breakups which took part in band. To much anger venom and sadness in this song, but also what a passion and energy lvl is beyond.
That wasn't a banjo, it was an electric guitar. Lindsey Buckingham has an unorthodox style involving a lot of finger picking.
Lindsey Buckingham, the band's guitarist, is one of the most famous fingerpickers in rock music. Which brings me to another band that you should check out: Dire Straits, fronted by guitar virtuoso Mark Knopfler (also a fingerpicker). Some suggestions would be "Sultans of Swing", "Telegraph Road", "Tunnel of Love", and "Brothers in Arms". Make sure you check out the full versions of these songs! Also, the first three got brilliant live renditions from the album "Alchemy: Dire Straits Live", and the band performed a moving version of the latter at a tribute concert for Nelson Mandela. They also scored other hits, though, such as "Money for Nothing" (the ground-breaking music video is worth checking out, and the song has a magnificent guitar riff) and "Walk of Life".
I totally agree.!!
It's not a banjo, but rather a mandolin.
It's amazing how many young people have no clue as to what a mandolin is. Perhaps it is because groups now days don't use instruments?
Actually it’s a Dobro
@nepromow Thanks - I'll have to look that up!
One of my all time favorites. That effing bass line. *chef's kiss*
🔥 Bass!
John McVie!
Stevie Nicks is the best known member of the group. It's a song that sounds better when it's totally silent outside.
I'd like to request some Styx, perhaps the song Lady.
Great reaction !! Fleetwood Mac is a British/American rock group. The lead singer (Stevie Nicks) and the electric guitar player (Lindsey Buckingham) are both from the USA. The drummer and founding member(Mick Fleetwood) is from Great Britain. The bass player Jon McVie and the keyboard player/lead vocals Christine McVie ( RIP) are also from Britain. Please react to Fleetwood Mac - Dreams. This band is amazing. Cheers!!
In Great Britain this song, the base part anyway, is legendary amongst formula 1 fans as is was used by the BBC for years as its theme music for the Grand Prix.
You definitely need to do Rhiannon live from 1976 Midnight Special!
this is the only song in the bands time together that credits all 5 members as song writters.
I prefer the more rock Peter Green led Fleetwood Mac .
As do many of us .
♥ those bass & drum & drops
By the time Rumours was coming out, none of the band wanting anything to do with each other. They recorded a good portion of the album, as well as this song, in separate recording studios.
In my opinion, The Chain is their love of music and the hard work they did to get them so far. It binds them together through all of their hardships and pain. Every member is credited for writing it.
Wait till you see the live 1982 video. Stevie and Lindsey are glaring daggers at each other, probably hyped up on coke-
you got to play them LIVE....play TUSK with matching band....live from london
Three song suggestions: Luciano Pavarotti- Nessun Dorma
Kim Carnes- Bette Davis Eyes
Van Morrison- Tupelo Honey
Nessun Dorma coming next week!
I love Stevie Nicks because she had this witchy backwoods midnight voodoo shack style to her song writing and even persona. This is a good representation of that.
one of the best albums of all time!
Chain is 1 of my favorite songs by FM! If you don’t like this song, then you probably won’t like Fleetwood Mac. The couple’s in the group were breaking up.
The live version from 1982 is amazing. The angst from failed relationships is crazy
OMG you paused exactly when I thought you would but that's one of the biggest bass drops in history and you paused it!
There's a great live version of this.
The two lead vocals, Stevie Nick's & Lindsey Buckingham, were involved and it ended badly.
They still performed together, as they trade lines in thus the venom between the two of them is apparent.
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Formed by Peter Greene in 1967 as a Blues Band. Peter Greene was a fantastic Blues Guitarist and writer. He left in 71. The band’s founder members John McVie ( base guitar) and Mick Fleetwood ( drummer) have had various members in the band. Christine McVie ( maiden name Prefect) had been in and out of the group. She was songwriter and keyboards and joined the band permanently at the beginning of the 70’s. Married and divorced John McVie. Then around 1973 two Americans Lindsey Buckingham ( Lead Guitarist and vocals) and Stevie Nicks (Lead Vocals and unlimited talent for songwriting) joined the group. They produced a self titled album which was brilliant. However it was followed by the album Rumours, every track is an absolute platinum star. The on off real life relationship between Buckingham and Nicks is reflected in the songs and when they where at their worst that’s when Stevie wrote her best. With only Christine being the Peacemaker. Unfortunately Christine died a few months ago and Lindsey, one of the greatest Guitarists left the band.
You should have watched and reacted to a live version of this. You could really see the anger and bitterness between Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham as they were going through yet another breakup. Also, Lindsey is a vastly underrated guitarist, and Mick Fleetwood is the drummer, but he hardly gets any mention.
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