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4 Hertz reads off if the idem is close to the surface because it reads better in deep ground idems .Picture a cone so at the top of the cone its broad but down deeper it narrows to a piont . Does this help ? Use this deep 4 hertz in OLD SITES only or in the woods. 👍
Hi Larry, I upgraded to the 3.0 and noticed same problems as you. Incorrect depth, pinpointing 3-5” off and 4kz had higher vid numbers. I went back to version 2.2.12 as well. Thanks for your video. You have a very good channel. Thanks Mike
I just got a Nox 800. I took it out yesterday for the first time. I was on an old school property around the old football field that isn't used anymore. I decided to use the 4 khz to look for silver coins since that is what it was intended for. I didn't find silver, but I do recall getting a jumpy high tone on a signal and then changing to multi and it locked in on 12-13. I dug it and it was a nickel. I'm new to the machine, but I thought that was odd. I'm still playing with it. Thanks for the videos. I'm learning from you as well.
I thought the 4kHz was mainly for higher conductors such as silver coins. Multi-frequency will pick up low and high conductor targets well. I think the 4kHz is separate from multi-frequency. I use field 1 and switch from multi to 4kHz when I hear a faint high deep tone to get a better accurate tone/ reading. Sometimes, if I'm at a hard hunted site, I'll leave it on 4kHz to catch any deep silver coins on edge that would otherwise be missed in multi-frequency. If I'm wrong, let me know.
@@ZSmittyman Imo, I think the 4kHz frequency would be most beneficial at heavily hunted sites that have produced lots of silver coins. At these kind of sites, it would be safe to assume, (I know, you shouldn't always assume) that most of the trash has been dug, if it has produced silvers and relics really well. My buddy and I have hunted a local park to death and there is hardly any trash, but it's still sparsely producing good targets. This is where I use the 4kHz to get the deep goodies. Use it at a park and prepare to get plenty of trash. The secret there would be to go for the deep high tones, not the shallow. But you never know, it just might be a shallow silver ring too.
Great video and discovery of how the update runs in 4. Saves me a lot of testing thanks. I mostly am Gulf beach hunting near St. Pete Florida so I don’t plan to use 4 but good to learn what you’re finding about the setting. Multi seems to be best here in Beach 2.
When I first updated i had the same issues I spoke to to Minelab and they told me there were no reported issues. A few days later I got a call back saying that my update was corrupted and to try again. I can see a small difference but not much of one . Definitely I am digging iron and rusty bottle caps I never would have before. Good video.
I Always use the Garrett pin pointer before digging the plug. I've found many coins, rings and artifacts laying on the surface using this method. This will save you time and energy digging plugs, chasing moving targets 😂 or no target when you flip the plug!
Thanks for all the great videos. Just jumped from the AT Pro to the 800 and I've been very intimidated by the machine, but I know I will learn it. Your vids help a lot
I am mostly happy hunting in Park 1,with sensitivity set as high as it goes.When I use the new 4 frequency,it seems a bit squeaky and has different tones that I will have to get used to.I cannot tell if I am finding more targets , because there are not real “control”like a test bed out in the field.What I am doing now is to find a target switch to 4MHZ to check the difference.Than I leave in 4MHZ till I find a target,than switch to multi,etc.This is slow,but hoping for a pattern.
I've updated my NOX 800 from 2.1 to 3.1, then went to the beach and find it so chirping and some time touch target disconnecting issue! So, I've rested it up to the FP, but it never gets solved! I got back home, downgrade it to 2.1 again, then got back to the beach, and then got surprised about the result!! 3.1 absolutely was a dump for me! I never updated it again until a new firmware comes into the market. Thank you for your video.
I'm pretty certain I read somewhere in a book or the manual that the depth indicator in pinpoint mode is not accurate and shouldn't be relied upon. It should be accurate in detect mode unless things are wonky. I do see that on the first target of the video in detect mode in 4khz it indicates 2" or less. Hope that helps, I'd hate for you to nick something good with a tool because that indicator in pinpoint is off! Happy detecting!
Great tutorial on the V3! I’ve done it and I’m still undecided if it’s the right thing to do. You’re right in that it’s better on stability BUT that’s about it. I think I might be missing some coins I would normally find. By the way I’m from the Uk and mainly do beaches. I will carry on but might revert back to V2 if things don’t improve. Great videos. Keep swinging! Pete UK.
I quit doing updates in the 70's ;). Thank you for the video and now somewhat inclined to revert. I don't mind digging junk but don't want to miss gold in the 15 VDI range, my 22 k wedding band.
Before I got my NOX 800 I was using a Fisher Gold Bug Pro that ran 4kz. It was great on brass buttons and buckles and silver coins and civil war bullets down to about 8 inches. In switched to the NOX 800 for the extra depth but it didn’t have 4kz. Looking forward to downloading the 3.0 update and go back over productive areas to see what I might have missed. Love the NOX 800.
Im not sold with the new update yet, although I might try it again after doing a factory reset. I've been using it for 2 weeks now and a lot trash ring in the silver range now. I believe I've dug so much nails and bottle caps now than before I updated. Other than that, great video!
I agree my friend. If you back out of the update be sure to write down any saved programs you may have because I understand you will lose them on the downgrade
Thank you for testing the update 3.0. I want to update my Equinox 800 but my laptop died LOL so now I have to get a PC to update my Equinox to the 3.0 by the way nice video 😃👍
I just got a new 800 5 days ago and it had the 4khz from the factory and my machine doesn't act like this just letting you guys know I've ran it for 5 hours numerous frequencies even 4 and no issues
Minelab says the 4kHz is for deep objects like those found in Asia. Also, they state readings will be different from other freqs. So why are you and others using the new lower freq for coin hunting?
I agree, like any detector with adjustable frequency's the lower ones are more effective with deep higher conductors. Multi Frequency will give a more steady VDI for targets due to the algorithms programed into the software. Use the optional frequency's to suit the various hunting conditions.
@@keithflesser1533 I guess a lot of people hunt the same areas. changing frequencies essentially give you a different machine and you can pickup things you miss. Also, whatever the intentions are for the various settings, real world behaves inexplicably at times and you can pickup good stuff just by doing something different - against all reason!
I know this video is 3 years old but i’ve had my equinox 800 right at three years but due to three shoulder injuries I really haven’t been able to get into this hobby that I initially sat out on. So I found your channel as I’m heal from rotator cuff surgery. I haven’t updated mine and have only used it a handful of times. So question With the Update, then you only switch from multi to four kHz what is the reason why you didn’t try the other kHz? Please forgive my ignorance. As of now, 2024 is there an improvement in the updates? I’m typing with a slight forgive any typos 😊
Hey Sod Buster Great video I haven’t updated my 800 yet I was wandering when you were hunting in the 4 kHz and you had a signal What kind of a signal you would get if you stepped to the side of the target and ran the 800 over target in the other direction I think we might be surprised
I did swing over many of the targets from different directions while I was testing the update but only to be frustrated with how everything was changed for the worse. I actually was losing confidence in the machine and had to remove the update.
Wasnt this not ment to be? I readed a statement of ML that the new 4 khz mode was for a certain type of hunting, i thought it was Asia and war stuff... But they also stated that the new 4khz operates much different compared to the other frequency's and due to that you had to get the feel with it.
the update seems to make the machine over sensitive it just won't lock onto a target like it did before and the 4 khz says every target is in the 30-39 range nails,bottle caps,pull tabs ,etc I'm new to the nox so some of this could be me, but it worked fine before the update thanks
Here is the verbiage from the v3 update document. A new Single Frequency of 4 kHz has been added to the existing 5, 10, 15, 20 and 40 kHz options. This new 4 kHz frequency enhances the detection of large deep targets, particularly those found in parts of Asia. As a result of optimising for these conditions, this new frequency may respond differently for users compared to the other single frequencies. All other single and multi-frequency settings are unchanged in their performance. In addition to the 4 kHz upgrade feature, various stability enhancements have been included.
I knew it was a bottle cap before you Doug it. If the I.D suddenly from about 16 in multi to about 34 in 4 KHz it most likely a bottle cap. Just to double check go into all metal and slowly back off from the target and if it gives an iron grunt then it’s definitely a bottle cap.
I'm having problems with my 600 with the new update as well. My pennies now come in at 25 26 with a silver tone. Screw caps that came in at 21 with a loud high tone now come in at 18 with a low tone. I mainly hunt in park 1 multi frequency. I've tried factory preset 3 different times to get the machine back on track but it's still not right.
i saved my coin program in my profile and switch back and forth to check target also i don't use the pinpoint button iuse the front of the coil where the little diamond mark is.i have the same shovel and my holes are the size of the shovel width
That is exactly what I do. I swing on the target, swing back slowly till the tone disappears. The target is right at the tip of the coil. Dig a small plug and bam, there it is. Makes for a quick target recovery.
Hi Larry, only just bought my 800 and still have a lot to learn, your videos are great and really helping me get to know things. Quick question how do I check what version of the software my machine has loaded ? Apologies if you have said in one of your other vids it’s just I haven’t seen it yet. Thanks again.
You have corrupt software. I would reload Version 2.0 and Version 3.0 I have the new 3.0 and don't have a problem with depth realing, where it pinpoints and no difference in VDI.
Ok I know this that this video is a couple years old and considering I just bought my 800 July 14 2022 and tested couple days later using this Chanel’s instruction and only found trash but it was a test run as the beach I hit was not that good ,I’m guessing that since it’s brand new I haven’t really mucked around(played) with the frequency so I’m new to this and will pick it up quick. I’m guessing that and not being a computer geek or frequency for that matter and a saying I’m sure we’ve all heard is - if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. I’ve still got more to learn and noticed that you were in park mode using frequency 4 what about other modes how does that frequency work will it be better than park compared to gold sites and hot grounds?
I was only running 4 khtz as a test. Run it in multi but you may want to view my other equinox tutorials also ua-cam.com/play/PLjrtO2dCo3KHkjtqTrlcCWu4Q6OpFeyIL.html
I was on 1.7.5 version before the update and I liked that much better , I will be switching back to my old version , it seems to me that they have nulled the machine down to gain the extra stability , there is allways a trade off , field 2 mode on version 3.0 is like field 1 mode on version 1.7.5 if you get me , no good to me
@@SodBustersMetalDetecting I think the 1.7.5 version is great the only reason I was curious to change it is because when I'm running field 2 if I bang the coil on something slightly when swinging it will make a tone which can get abit annoying but I will take that over the nulled down 3.0
I wish ML would have used a number for target depth like the Anfibio Multi from Nokta/Makro has. I think I will do a factory reset on my 600 (I have already applied the 3.1.3).
I just bought my detector last week. Howcdo i know what update i have and ig its up to date. Only new to the 800. Finding a little hard to use . I have been using the a hatrett AT Pro for the last 6 years .i have no idea trouble knowing what i am finding. I know if i should of stuck to garrett now . As i had been told the eqanox 800 was pretty good.
Your detector will have the latest update if you bought it new. The Equinox is a very easy machine to use, watch these videos starting with the getting started videos and it will help you learn the machine. ua-cam.com/play/PLjrtO2dCo3KHkjtqTrlcCWu4Q6OpFeyIL.html
Remove skid plate and thoroughly clean the search coil, factory preset the machine and leave be, no adjustments, no volume adjustment, no sensitivity adjustment, no adjustments. Install update. When update is completed factory preset the machine and power off the machine and replace skid plate and done. Outdoors, power up the machine, hold coil waist high and noise cancel, after noise cancel is complete lower coil to the ground AND THEN hit pinpoint or detect button to exit out of noise cancel. P1, multi, 50 tone (ti/24@vol/2, t2/na@vol/20, RS/3,4,5,or6, F2/4,5,6or7, rej/1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11 and 40. Soil comp/benign eastern Iowa dirt. Go slow and force that seated dime to sing amongst the nails with the DD wiggle. It works for me. Oh and sensitivity 23
Detecting rookie here... what is the advantage of say using a single freq. like 4 over just leaving it in multi? Does multi use all the available frequencies?
Yes multi utilizes all frequencies. I dont use the update which has 4 KHZ but it is meant for deeper large targets from what I understand. It is optimal to hunt in multi
Hi from France...Try that!!!... ... for V3 : Setting- Mode: Park 1, speed 6, Sensitivity 25, Iron Bias F2 4, Freq Multi or 4 Khz... ...try end tell me...best regard's.
I updated and tried 4 khz. I noticed that pulltabs and other aluminum always rang up very high so.....don't like it. My question is then what other changes were done, if any, in the version 3?
@@SodBustersMetalDetecting Got it. I went back and looked and ordered the one you were using. In the same red color too. I just watched the 1870 ranch. Neat. I'm going out to a ranch here in Texas that the original old house burnt down and the replacement house is over a hundred. I'll be the first to detect it. Enjoying your videos. THANKS!
Just go to park 1 and then go to accept/ reject and block out -9 to 24. BOOM YOU GET TO GRAB DIMES QUARTERS HALF DOLLARS AND ALL 90% SILVER COINS! I dont understand why all these you tubers are trying so hard to figure this out. Using the program like that will grab all the easy silver that all the old machine rejected or could not detect...... You dont even have to use the new 4khz. The stabilization update itself is why people are finding more silver.....
@@kansasrelicsandrecovery I tell you what, I live in the United States. So it was not an improvement for me. I dont have any Chinese silver hoards buried in the ground in upstate New York. In my opinion Multi Frequency is still king. I have heard of others that are just using the 4 Khz as a cross reference to multi frequency targets, but it really has not improved my detecting one bit. 4 KHZ HAS NOT PULLED 1 COIN OUT OF ANY AREA I HAVE ALREADY POUNDED WITH MULTI FREQUENCY BEFORE AND AFTER THE UPDATE. So I really dont understand this MASSIVE PHENOMENA of people claiming that they are finding all these silver coins in places that they have hunted before when it has been absolutely untrue for me and im digging in a 220 year old neighborhood with a Militia Training ground ( which is now the part of 2 of the public parks) Which is about the size of 3 Football fields. I have repeatidly pounded these areas before and after the update and not 1 silver coin has been found using 4 khz. NOT ONE! Youd be lucky to get any deep can slaw that i was too lazy to dig. I truly doubt the majority of these people are using their machines properly and they may even be getting lucky by digging up trash and unmasking targets, but this update is not doing anything for people that have been using this machine for almost 3 years and REALLY know how to use it. Its just not possible.
I'm wondering. I just purchased my Nox 800 about a month ago. Do you think they already installed the 3.0 update at the factory? Still trying to get used to it and doing ok with it but digging lots of junk.
The update won't stop you from digging trash, learning the tones of the detector will. Here is a video to learn how to do the update if you want and I have many tutorials for the new equinox user that will help you learn the detector ua-cam.com/video/VmJ_OJO3InQ/v-deo.html
@@SodBustersMetalDetecting Thanks Mark, Yes I have watched a bunch of your videos. I've also liked and subscribed. I'm in NM and will be using this for gold shooting eventually. Our ground here is VERY different from your ground. Its highly mineralized, very alkaline, and hard packed especially when you get down beyond 3-4 inches I guess the way to tell if its got the 3.0 update is to see if its got the 4 khz setting. Mine does not, so it was not preset at the factory on the new machines. One last question. How can you tell when you need to recharge the battery? Thanks again for the informative videos.
Larry, I bought my 800 a couple of weeks ago in March of 2021. Would my 800 have the new update because mine has been acting the same way I get a signal and then its gone erratic number changes and depths are way off. I hunt with my son who has the Gold Monster 1000 and has picked up many more signals. I'm disappointed in the performance of the 800 to much technology in a small package they should have kept it simple.
Steve, follow this videos instructions as if you are going to do an update to see what version is on your machine ua-cam.com/video/VmJ_OJO3InQ/v-deo.html If you do have the 3.0 you can revert back to 2.0
I'll check thank you Larry. One more think I forgot to ask you in some of your setup video's on the 800 you mentioned about a book by Andy Sabisch that would help with setups etc. but there's a blue version and a yellow version which one would you recommend or is one an updated version for the 3.0.
No disrespect but don’t think you are using the 4khz in the way it’s intended and to keep comparing it to the multi frequency is wrong. Very low frequencies are meant for deeper large objects and preferably with a large coil, as it penetrates deeper. Not meant for small shallow objects
Some people prefer single frequency in certain situations such as gold nugget hunting or if emi is too much in multi but in most cases muli is the way to go
I really like your videos, expertise and advices you give. However, this field test video wasn't one of your best. Not in terms of the video quality, but rather in terms of content value. I personally did not derive many useful conclusions from it. The only one clear thing was that the 4khz is useless on nickels, it appears. I wonder if, instead of a nickel, it was a gold ring that would normally come in at 12-13, how the 4khz would react to it. Or how the next comparable frequency, 5 khz (before the update) would react to nickels. Also, there was zero comparison to the way your machine performed before you did the update, in the same park, on similar targets, with all other settings identical. I'd like to see a comprehensive garden test video before and after the update, using the same targets, depth, ground moisture and machine settings, the only variable being all frequencies performance before and after the update. Thank you for your, otherwise impressive, contribution to the metal detecting community. FYI, I updated my 800 to 3.0 a couple of months back and me too I'm not very happy at the moment with it and I'm contemplating on reverting back to 2.0. But I feel that I need more information before doing that. I keep looking for more in depth testing videos on this specific topic and I don't seem to find anything significant. I'm planning on running my own garden test this spring. If anyone happened to have seen one, please point me in the right direction. Thank you.
Thank you for your input and yes I agree that there could have been more comparisons done. I was very frustrated with the performance I got from the update and spent no time going back to the 2.0 version. I appreciate you watching my videos and for being honest in your comment, it helps me improve on helping the community if I know where I lack. Happy hunting
Thanks- I see...but I wonder what the 4khz setting actually does. I’m very intrigued by the guy who commented that when he goes to the beach when he switches back-and-forth if the reading changes it’s always trash. So I can see that the setting would be useful for that👍. GREAT VIDEO...
A friend of mine was telling me that to let the new update settle in you need to factory preset. Is this true and could it be what part of the problem was ?
Nothing to see here. Freq reacts to different conductivity of different metals, and thats why you get different numbers. 4Khz is great for high conductivity metals like silvers and the lower freq goes deeper then higher freqs. thats why the Nox shits all over most single freq detectors.
I purchased the 800 two weeks ago. I have looked for the update by running the update software on my machine and the 3.0 doesn't seem to be available. It tells me my software is up to date and my current version is 2.1.12. Do you know if this update has been removed?
@@SodBustersMetalDetecting I contacted Minelab. They suggested I uninstall the update utility and reinstall through the link they gave me. After doing this I was able to do the update. It would appear that my original version was corrupt.
Finding it hard to find the good points for the update. 4khz is so quiet then goes wild for unlikely targets. You are right about the pinpointing aswell...nightmare. Think I'm gonna continue to learn aswell 😥🤙
19/2/ 2021. I've been detecting for over 20 years & had a dozen different detectors. I recently sold my X-Terra 705 to buy the Minelab Equinox 800. When I detected a target with the X-Terra, the pinpoint mode put me right on top of the target. Since buying the Nox 800, (with the current update) I notice that the target is "pinpointed" about 2 inches from the centre of the coil, thereby making it hard to find. Does anyone have any suggestions please?
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4 Hertz reads off if the idem is close to the surface because it reads better in deep ground idems .Picture a cone so at the top of the cone its broad but down deeper it narrows to a piont . Does this help ? Use this deep 4 hertz in OLD SITES only or in the woods. 👍
Hi Larry, I upgraded to the 3.0 and noticed same problems as you. Incorrect depth, pinpointing 3-5” off and 4kz had higher vid numbers. I went back to version 2.2.12 as well. Thanks for your video. You have a very good channel. Thanks Mike
Thanks Mike I appreciate that. Happy hunting my friend
I just got a Nox 800. I took it out yesterday for the first time. I was on an old school property around the old football field that isn't used anymore. I decided to use the 4 khz to look for silver coins since that is what it was intended for. I didn't find silver, but I do recall getting a jumpy high tone on a signal and then changing to multi and it locked in on 12-13. I dug it and it was a nickel. I'm new to the machine, but I thought that was odd. I'm still playing with it. Thanks for the videos. I'm learning from you as well.
Actually I always change frequencies on a target at the beach. If the ID changes it almost always is a bottle cap.
i heard that you cant change freq.in beach mode
@@georgesocci5237 I actually just switch to another, user mode to do it.
I thought the 4kHz was mainly for higher conductors such as silver coins. Multi-frequency will pick up low and high conductor targets well. I think the 4kHz is separate from multi-frequency. I use field 1 and switch from multi to 4kHz when I hear a faint high deep tone to get a better accurate tone/ reading. Sometimes, if I'm at a hard hunted site, I'll leave it on 4kHz to catch any deep silver coins on edge that would otherwise be missed in multi-frequency. If I'm wrong, let me know.
Luis I really couldn't say at this point. I would be interested to hear more on your experience with the 4 khz on the silver. Thank you for watching.
Luis is right the lower frequency of 4 kHz hits high conductors like silver better but doesn't hit the lower conductors like nickel and gold as well.
@@ZSmittyman Imo, I think the 4kHz frequency would be most beneficial at heavily hunted sites that have produced lots of silver coins. At these kind of sites, it would be safe to assume, (I know, you shouldn't always assume) that most of the trash has been dug, if it has produced silvers and relics really well. My buddy and I have hunted a local park to death and there is hardly any trash, but it's still sparsely producing good targets. This is where I use the 4kHz to get the deep goodies. Use it at a park and prepare to get plenty of trash. The secret there would be to go for the deep high tones, not the shallow. But you never know, it just might be a shallow silver ring too.
Thank you for sharing , still learning meatl detecting. Keep sharing we appreciate your efforts.
Thank you Julian. I appreciate you watching
I never have to go looking further than your channel to find the Nox info that I'm looking for! Thanks.
Thank you Bill, I appreciate you watching
Great video and discovery of how the update runs in 4. Saves me a lot of testing thanks. I mostly am Gulf beach hunting near St. Pete Florida so I don’t plan to use 4 but good to learn what you’re finding about the setting.
Multi seems to be best here in Beach 2.
Yes i prefer multi as well. Thanks for watching and good luck hunting.
When I first updated i had the same issues I spoke to to Minelab and they told me there were no reported issues. A few days later I got a call back saying that my update was corrupted and to try again. I can see a small difference but not much of one . Definitely I am digging iron and rusty bottle caps I never would have before. Good video.
Thanks for watching, happy hunting
I Always use the Garrett pin pointer before digging the plug.
I've found many coins, rings and artifacts laying on the surface using this method.
This will save you time and energy digging plugs, chasing moving targets 😂 or no target when you flip the plug!
Absolutely
I do that as well...do you know how deep the pin pointer can detect?
Thanks for all the great videos. Just jumped from the AT Pro to the 800 and I've been very intimidated by the machine, but I know I will learn it. Your vids help a lot
Awesome, you will learn it in no time. Happy hunting.
This video is making me rethink the update
Well if you update and don't like it you can go back to previous versions
I am mostly happy hunting in Park 1,with sensitivity set as high as it goes.When I use the new 4 frequency,it seems a bit squeaky and has different tones that I will have to get used to.I cannot tell if I am finding more targets , because there are not real “control”like a test bed out in the field.What I am doing now is to find a target switch to 4MHZ to check the difference.Than I leave in 4MHZ till I find a target,than switch to multi,etc.This is slow,but hoping for a pattern.
Yes, keep us informed, I would love to hear your results
I've updated my NOX 800 from 2.1 to 3.1, then went to the beach and find it so chirping and some time touch target disconnecting issue! So, I've rested it up to the FP, but it never gets solved! I got back home, downgrade it to 2.1 again, then got back to the beach, and then got surprised about the result!! 3.1 absolutely was a dump for me! I never updated it again until a new firmware comes into the market. Thank you for your video.
I'm pretty certain I read somewhere in a book or the manual that the depth indicator in pinpoint mode is not accurate and shouldn't be relied upon. It should be accurate in detect mode unless things are wonky. I do see that on the first target of the video in detect mode in 4khz it indicates 2" or less. Hope that helps, I'd hate for you to nick something good with a tool because that indicator in pinpoint is off! Happy detecting!
Thank you steve, some of the targets just seemed to be extreme in depth according to where they were. I appreciate you watching 😊
Great tutorial on the V3! I’ve done it and I’m still undecided if it’s the right thing to do. You’re right in that it’s better on stability BUT that’s about it. I think I might be missing some coins I would normally find. By the way I’m from the Uk and mainly do beaches. I will carry on but might revert back to V2 if things don’t improve. Great videos. Keep swinging! Pete UK.
Thanks Pete, good luck out there
I quit doing updates in the 70's ;). Thank you for the video and now somewhat inclined to revert. I don't mind digging junk but don't want to miss gold in the 15 VDI range, my 22 k wedding band.
Thank you for watching, keep digging the gold.
Do you find gold rings, etc, on multi?
Before I got my NOX 800 I was using a Fisher Gold Bug Pro that ran 4kz. It was great on brass buttons and buckles and silver coins and civil war bullets down to about 8 inches.
In switched to the NOX 800 for the extra depth but it didn’t have 4kz. Looking forward to downloading the 3.0 update and go back over productive areas to see what I might have missed. Love the NOX 800.
Good luck and thanks for watching
With such a quick response, I had to subscribe. Thanks! 👍
@@scottdean7613 thanks for watching
Im not sold with the new update yet, although I might try it again after doing a factory reset. I've been using it for 2 weeks now and a lot trash ring in the silver range now. I believe I've dug so much nails and bottle caps now than before I updated. Other than that, great video!
I agree my friend. If you back out of the update be sure to write down any saved programs you may have because I understand you will lose them on the downgrade
Hi Larry, first i thank you for sharing your first impressions about the new update.
Thank you my friend 😊
Thank you for testing the update 3.0. I want to update my Equinox 800 but my laptop died LOL so now I have to get a PC to update my Equinox to the 3.0 by the way nice video 😃👍
Thank you, I appreciate you watching
The manual says: Noise Cancel should be carried out whenever the
Frequency setting is changed. This might be causing problems.
That is only selecting the quietest channel for the EMI in the area.
Also another factory preset and noise cancel.
i never updated my machine i like it the way it is theres always trouble when you update things no thank you
I don't blame you.
I just got a new 800 5 days ago and it had the 4khz from the factory and my machine doesn't act like this just letting you guys know I've ran it for 5 hours numerous frequencies even 4 and no issues
Minelab says the 4kHz is for deep objects like those found in Asia. Also, they state readings will be different from other freqs. So why are you and others using the new lower freq for coin hunting?
I agree, like any detector with adjustable frequency's the lower ones are more effective with deep higher conductors. Multi Frequency will give a more steady VDI for targets due to the algorithms programed into the software. Use the optional frequency's to suit the various hunting conditions.
This was only a quick test on the update, I wasn't necessarily coin hunting.
@@keithflesser1533 I guess a lot of people hunt the same areas. changing frequencies essentially give you a different machine and you can pickup things you miss. Also, whatever the intentions are for the various settings, real world behaves inexplicably at times and you can pickup good stuff just by doing something different - against all reason!
@@briansewart5885 totally agree with you, same if you were too change coils.
I know this video is 3 years old but i’ve had my equinox 800 right at three years but due to three shoulder injuries I really haven’t been able to get into this hobby that I initially sat out on. So I found your channel as I’m heal from rotator cuff surgery. I haven’t updated mine and have only used it a handful of times. So question With the Update, then you only switch from multi to four kHz what is the reason why you didn’t try the other kHz? Please forgive my ignorance. As of now, 2024 is there an improvement in the updates? I’m typing with a slight forgive any typos 😊
Hey Sod Buster
Great video
I haven’t updated my 800 yet
I was wandering when you were hunting in the 4 kHz and you had a signal
What kind of a signal you would get if you stepped to the side of the target and ran the 800 over target in the other direction
I think we might be surprised
I did swing over many of the targets from different directions while I was testing the update but only to be frustrated with how everything was changed for the worse. I actually was losing confidence in the machine and had to remove the update.
Wasnt this not ment to be? I readed a statement of ML that the new 4 khz mode was for a certain type of hunting, i thought it was Asia and war stuff... But they also stated that the new 4khz operates much different compared to the other frequency's and due to that you had to get the feel with it.
3 years on. What were advanced settings cheers how did ya go with silver.
the update seems to make the machine over sensitive it just won't lock onto a target like it did before and the 4 khz says every target is in the 30-39 range nails,bottle caps,pull tabs ,etc I'm new to the nox so some of this could be me, but it worked fine before the update thanks
Remember this update was for soil in Asia not USA soil it’s an extra frequency to use on silver
Here is the verbiage from the v3 update document.
A new Single Frequency of 4 kHz has been
added to the existing 5, 10, 15, 20 and
40 kHz options. This new 4 kHz frequency
enhances the detection of large deep
targets, particularly those found in parts
of Asia. As a result of optimising for
these conditions, this new frequency may
respond differently for users compared
to the other single frequencies.
All other single and multi-frequency
settings are unchanged in
their performance.
In addition to the 4 kHz upgrade feature,
various stability enhancements have
been included.
How do you find out what software version you have on your Equinox 800? Thanks for your information that has been very helpful
@edmilligan3939 plug it in as if you aregoung to do the update and it will show you what version you have.
Was the update done by Microsoft...lol j/k Great video as always. thank you!
Lol thanks my friend
Starr Lucas that's hilarious 😂 it's a microshaft update!
I knew it was a bottle cap before you Doug it. If the I.D suddenly from about 16 in multi to about 34 in 4 KHz it most likely a bottle cap. Just to double check go into all metal and slowly back off from the target and if it gives an iron grunt then it’s definitely a bottle cap.
I just bought my 800 and I haven’t done any software upgrades yet just trying to learn this thing first.
Good idea.
I'm having problems with my 600 with the new update as well. My pennies now come in at 25 26 with a silver tone. Screw caps that came in at 21 with a loud high tone now come in at 18 with a low tone. I mainly hunt in park 1 multi frequency. I've tried factory preset 3 different times to get the machine back on track but it's still not right.
Be sure to subscribe and hit the bell icon. This Thursday I will have a video out to show what my solution to the problem is 😊
@@SodBustersMetalDetecting Okay. I'll see you on Thursday.
I've updated mine but I haven't tried it out as of yet. I'm waiting for a little cooler weather!
Thanks for testing this out , Don,,,,,,,,,,,
Thanks for watching Don.
I own an 800..... So what did the Update, Update??
i saved my coin program in my profile and switch back and forth to check target also i don't use the pinpoint button iuse the front of the coil where the little diamond mark is.i have the same shovel and my holes are the size of the shovel width
That’s interesting- I’d like to learn this technique for sure!
That is exactly what I do. I swing on the target, swing back slowly till the tone disappears. The target is right at the tip of the coil. Dig a small plug and bam, there it is. Makes for a quick target recovery.
Wow- Luis Villarreal that’s a great tip! Thanks!!
@@luisvillarreal5262, wow! Thanks for the tip!
Mark, is there a special video you can watch about making your own programs for the Nox? I just got mine and have been learning all I can. Thanks.
Nice work!
Thank you
Hi Larry, only just bought my 800 and still have a lot to learn, your videos are great and really helping me get to know things. Quick question how do I check what version of the software my machine has loaded ? Apologies if you have said in one of your other vids it’s just I haven’t seen it yet. Thanks again.
The instructions in this video will take you where you need to be to check ua-cam.com/video/VmJ_OJO3InQ/v-deo.html
You have corrupt software. I would reload Version 2.0 and Version 3.0 I have the new 3.0 and don't have a problem with depth realing, where it pinpoints and no difference in VDI.
Hopefully I can get it resolved. Thanks for watching
So was the first update corrupted and was your update corrupted as well before figuring out that was the problem
@@brucemansfield9190 I had no problem with the version 3.0 when I loaded it.
Ronald Dvorak ok I’m wondering if mine is corrupted also then
Ok I know this that this video is a couple years old and considering I just bought my 800 July 14 2022 and tested couple days later using this Chanel’s instruction and only found trash but it was a test run as the beach I hit was not that good ,I’m guessing that since it’s brand new I haven’t really mucked around(played) with the frequency so I’m new to this and will pick it up quick. I’m guessing that and not being a computer geek or frequency for that matter and a saying I’m sure we’ve all heard is - if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. I’ve still got more to learn and noticed that you were in park mode using frequency 4 what about other modes how does that frequency work will it be better than park compared to gold sites and hot grounds?
I was only running 4 khtz as a test. Run it in multi but you may want to view my other equinox tutorials also ua-cam.com/play/PLjrtO2dCo3KHkjtqTrlcCWu4Q6OpFeyIL.html
I was on 1.7.5 version before the update and I liked that much better , I will be switching back to my old version , it seems to me that they have nulled the machine down to gain the extra stability , there is allways a trade off , field 2 mode on version 3.0 is like field 1 mode on version 1.7.5 if you get me , no good to me
I'm in the 2.0 version which I havent made my mind up on yet
@@SodBustersMetalDetecting I think the 1.7.5 version is great the only reason I was curious to change it is because when I'm running field 2 if I bang the coil on something slightly when swinging it will make a tone which can get abit annoying but I will take that over the nulled down 3.0
I wish ML would have used a number for target depth like the Anfibio Multi from Nokta/Makro has. I think I will do a factory reset on my 600 (I have already applied the 3.1.3).
If that suits you no problem for me ... good hunting
Interesting findings. Haven’t updated yet.
Thank you for watching. This was only a test on the update but hope to have some good hunts coming soon.
I look forward to it!
I just bought my detector last week. Howcdo i know what update i have and ig its up to date. Only new to the 800. Finding a little hard to use . I have been using the a hatrett AT Pro for the last 6 years .i have no idea trouble knowing what i am finding. I know if i should of stuck to garrett now . As i had been told the eqanox 800 was pretty good.
Your detector will have the latest update if you bought it new. The Equinox is a very easy machine to use, watch these videos starting with the getting started videos and it will help you learn the machine. ua-cam.com/play/PLjrtO2dCo3KHkjtqTrlcCWu4Q6OpFeyIL.html
I’m getting some of the same results with the 4 khz but like you said I’m still messing around with it but prefer multi
Remove skid plate and thoroughly clean the search coil, factory preset the machine and leave be, no adjustments, no volume adjustment, no sensitivity adjustment, no adjustments. Install update. When update is completed factory preset the machine and power off the machine and replace skid plate and done. Outdoors, power up the machine, hold coil waist high and noise cancel, after noise cancel is complete lower coil to the ground AND THEN hit pinpoint or detect button to exit out of noise cancel. P1, multi, 50 tone (ti/24@vol/2, t2/na@vol/20, RS/3,4,5,or6, F2/4,5,6or7, rej/1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11 and 40. Soil comp/benign eastern Iowa dirt. Go slow and force that seated dime to sing amongst the nails with the DD wiggle. It works for me. Oh and sensitivity 23
Thanks for the information and happy hunting
Detecting rookie here... what is the advantage of say using a single freq. like 4 over just leaving it in multi? Does multi use all the available frequencies?
Yes multi utilizes all frequencies. I dont use the update which has 4 KHZ but it is meant for deeper large targets from what I understand. It is optimal to hunt in multi
Thanks for the info, i see that you are walking with a very low sensitivity. That is why you only get the shallow targets
Yes, in the first part I was in a low sensitivity and brought it up later. Thank you, I appreciate you watching.
Hi from France...Try that!!!... ... for V3 : Setting- Mode: Park 1, speed 6, Sensitivity 25, Iron Bias F2 4, Freq Multi or 4 Khz... ...try end tell me...best regard's.
Thank you, I ended up restoring back to the previous update. Thank you for the tip though I appreciate it
I updated and tried 4 khz. I noticed that pulltabs and other aluminum always rang up very high so.....don't like it. My question is then what other changes were done, if any, in the version 3?
Glitch in the matrix at 6:40 with the birds in the sky
Any comments on a coil tab stiffener? I noticed you had one in another video.
What would you like to know?
@@SodBustersMetalDetecting Is it something I should have on my detector.
@@floydburkett630 it wouldn't hurt but the main thing is be sure the rubber washers aren't worn and don't overnighten the bolt
@@SodBustersMetalDetecting Got it. I went back and looked and ordered the one you were using. In the same red color too. I just watched the 1870 ranch. Neat. I'm going out to a ranch here in Texas that the original old house burnt down and the replacement house is over a hundred. I'll be the first to detect it. Enjoying your videos. THANKS!
Hi,is the update already on an new detector bought april 27 this year
No I don't believe it is
Do a Factory reset on the nox this should help 👍
I tried that as well but things were still off.
Did they fix V3?
Nice video very clear!
Thank you Kim
Have just got this 800 just got rid off the at pro
I think you will love it Stephen
Would you say the 3.0 update gives a more accurate pinpoint? Also, I’ve heard the 4Khz is better on silver & larger targets.
Mike I talk about that and show my experience of this in The video. Please watch it so you know what I found with the update
Ok. Must have missed those comments. Will watch again. Thanks
NICE HONEST VIDEO ...
That's the only way I will deliver it my friend.
Just go to park 1 and then go to accept/ reject and block out -9 to 24. BOOM YOU GET TO GRAB DIMES QUARTERS HALF DOLLARS AND ALL 90% SILVER COINS! I dont understand why all these you tubers are trying so hard to figure this out. Using the program like that will grab all the easy silver that all the old machine rejected or could not detect...... You dont even have to use the new 4khz. The stabilization update itself is why people are finding more silver.....
This is interesting
@@kansasrelicsandrecovery I tell you what, I live in the United States. So it was not an improvement for me. I dont have any Chinese silver hoards
buried in the ground in upstate New York. In my opinion Multi Frequency is still king. I have heard of others that are
just using the 4 Khz as a cross reference to multi frequency targets, but it really has not improved my detecting one bit.
4 KHZ HAS NOT PULLED 1 COIN OUT OF ANY AREA I HAVE ALREADY POUNDED WITH MULTI FREQUENCY BEFORE AND AFTER THE UPDATE.
So I really dont understand this MASSIVE PHENOMENA of people claiming that they are finding all these silver coins in places that
they have hunted before when it has been absolutely untrue for me and im digging in a 220 year old neighborhood with a
Militia Training ground ( which is now the part of 2 of the public parks) Which is about the size of 3 Football fields. I have repeatidly
pounded these areas before and after the update and not 1 silver coin has been found using 4 khz. NOT ONE! Youd be lucky to get
any deep can slaw that i was too lazy to dig. I truly doubt the majority of these people are using their machines properly
and they may even be getting lucky by digging up trash and unmasking targets, but this update is not doing anything for people that have
been using this machine for almost 3 years and REALLY know how to use it. Its just not possible.
You won't find any gold with all those blocked. Gold rings and such typically VDI from 9 to 22.
Seems different frequencies send the signals at different widths? Maybe the reason the location is a tad different?
It's hard to say at this pont
Great Video!👍
My 800 well tell me that it's a deep signal and it's right on top. It's still in factory settings.
How do you upgrade and How often?
If you have 4khtz on your detector you have the last update
ua-cam.com/video/VmJ_OJO3InQ/v-deo.html
I'm wondering. I just purchased my Nox 800 about a month ago. Do you think they already installed the 3.0 update at the factory? Still trying to get used to it and doing ok with it but digging lots of junk.
The update won't stop you from digging trash, learning the tones of the detector will. Here is a video to learn how to do the update if you want and I have many tutorials for the new equinox user that will help you learn the detector ua-cam.com/video/VmJ_OJO3InQ/v-deo.html
@@SodBustersMetalDetecting Thanks Mark, Yes I have watched a bunch of your videos. I've also liked and subscribed. I'm in NM and will be using this for gold shooting eventually. Our ground here is VERY different from your ground. Its highly mineralized, very alkaline, and hard packed especially when you get down beyond 3-4 inches I guess the way to tell if its got the 3.0 update is to see if its got the 4 khz setting. Mine does not, so it was not preset at the factory on the new machines. One last question. How can you tell when you need to recharge the battery? Thanks again for the informative videos.
What is the best frequency for silver coins ??
I always use multi frequency unless the emi interference won't allow it.
Larry, I bought my 800 a couple of weeks ago in March of 2021. Would my 800 have the new update because mine has been acting the same way I get a signal and then its gone erratic number changes and depths are way off. I hunt with my son who has the Gold Monster 1000 and has picked up many more signals. I'm disappointed in the performance of the 800 to much technology in a small package they should have kept it simple.
Steve, follow this videos instructions as if you are going to do an update to see what version is on your machine ua-cam.com/video/VmJ_OJO3InQ/v-deo.html
If you do have the 3.0 you can revert back to 2.0
If you need to change your version watch this ua-cam.com/video/3ZUC-kyP7mE/v-deo.html
I'll check thank you Larry. One more think I forgot to ask you in some of your setup video's on the 800 you mentioned about a book by Andy Sabisch that would help with setups etc. but there's a blue version and a yellow version which one would you recommend or is one an updated version for the 3.0.
I have the yellow version personally
Great hunt, congrats on the great finds including that large
No disrespect but don’t think you are using the 4khz in the way it’s intended and to keep comparing it to the multi frequency is wrong. Very low frequencies are meant for deeper large objects and preferably with a large coil, as it penetrates deeper. Not meant for small shallow objects
Perhaps but the upgrade itself effected even the multi and the pinpointing features. There were too many negative factors to keep the upgrade.
I’m just wondering what would be the benefit of hunting in megahertz over multi modal mode?
Some people prefer single frequency in certain situations such as gold nugget hunting or if emi is too much in multi but in most cases muli is the way to go
Nice to see another female treasure hunter :)
Wish i had an answer for you but i'm as baffled as you are with that update.Good vid. though. Thanks
I think you will appreciate the video I have coming out this Thursday then. Be sure you are subscribed and hit that bell icon 😊
@@SodBustersMetalDetecting Will do
I don't think there is a machine out there whose depth indicator is accurate due to the various metals and conditions of soil
Big FACTS’!!!!
I really like your videos, expertise and advices you give. However, this field test video wasn't one of your best. Not in terms of the video quality, but rather in terms of content value. I personally did not derive many useful conclusions from it. The only one clear thing was that the 4khz is useless on nickels, it appears. I wonder if, instead of a nickel, it was a gold ring that would normally come in at 12-13, how the 4khz would react to it. Or how the next comparable frequency, 5 khz (before the update) would react to nickels. Also, there was zero comparison to the way your machine performed before you did the update, in the same park, on similar targets, with all other settings identical. I'd like to see a comprehensive garden test video before and after the update, using the same targets, depth, ground moisture and machine settings, the only variable being all frequencies performance before and after the update.
Thank you for your, otherwise impressive, contribution to the metal detecting community.
FYI, I updated my 800 to 3.0 a couple of months back and me too I'm not very happy at the moment with it and I'm contemplating on reverting back to 2.0. But I feel that I need more information before doing that. I keep looking for more in depth testing videos on this specific topic and I don't seem to find anything significant. I'm planning on running my own garden test this spring. If anyone happened to have seen one, please point me in the right direction. Thank you.
Thank you for your input and yes I agree that there could have been more comparisons done. I was very frustrated with the performance I got from the update and spent no time going back to the 2.0 version.
I appreciate you watching my videos and for being honest in your comment, it helps me improve on helping the community if I know where I lack.
Happy hunting
The anti bottle caps feature works best if the iron horse shoe is turned on.
Thanks for the tip George and thanks for watching
한국에도 애퀘녹스 많이사용하고있어요. 저도에퀘녹스사용하고있어요 ㅎㅎ 👍👍👍
Larry what is the purpose of switching from multi frequency to 4 kg hertz?
I was just comparing differences between the 2 modes.
Thanks- I see...but I wonder what the 4khz setting actually does. I’m very intrigued by the guy who commented that when he goes to the beach when he switches back-and-forth if the reading changes it’s always trash. So I can see that the setting would be useful for that👍. GREAT VIDEO...
It is supposed to be better on larger deeper targets
영상잘보고있습니다 좋아요 😃
How's it do in the park 1 and 2.
I experienced issues in everything I tried with the update
A friend of mine was telling me that to let the new update settle in you need to factory preset. Is this true and could it be what part of the problem was ?
That was not my experience. I did a factory preset afterwards and still had issues which led me to restoring back to the 2.0
@S K yes the 2.0
Nothing to see here. Freq reacts to different conductivity of different metals, and thats why you get different numbers. 4Khz is great for high conductivity metals like silvers and the lower freq goes deeper then higher freqs. thats why the Nox shits all over most single freq detectors.
I purchased the 800 two weeks ago. I have looked for the update by running the update software on my machine and the 3.0 doesn't seem to be available. It tells me my software is up to date and my current version is 2.1.12. Do you know if this update has been removed?
I havent heard, I did hear that minelab stated that the 3.0 update did have some issues so it is possible they removed it until they resolve it.
@@SodBustersMetalDetecting I contacted Minelab. They suggested I uninstall the update utility and reinstall through the link they gave me. After doing this I was able to do the update. It would appear that my original version was corrupt.
I think corrupt updates have been common with it.
I read some whare that you need to do a FR before, and after u up grade
After for sure but before wouldn't hurt either.
Be careful. Needles always scare me. I've found them.
I'm worried of hypodermic needles at parks.
Like 43 amigo saludos desde Buenos Aires Argentina 🇦🇷
Finding it hard to find the good points for the update. 4khz is so quiet then goes wild for unlikely targets. You are right about the pinpointing aswell...nightmare. Think I'm gonna continue to learn aswell 😥🤙
Yes, its early and we may find that it has its benefits but time will tell.
If I heard you right, you recommend a factory reset after the update? Do you loose the 3.0 update when you factory reset?
No it will still be updated. Thank you for watching
@@SodBustersMetalDetecting Thank you.
Your sensitivity was set Way to low...
I have the 600 I’m experiencing the same exact thing as you are after the update
Some were happy with the update, others had issues with it. Thanks for watching
Not trying to be funny but man you have nice grass!!! lol
Lol thanks 😅
CHEEK YOUR SENSITIVITY LOOKS LIKE ONLY ON LOW ON YOUR SCREEN
Yes it was at first and I brought it up later
vdi 14-19 are bottle caps
You will also find jewelry and nickels in that range as well.
Turn up the sensitivity, you have way too low
Yes it was at first I realized it later
Sod Busters Metal Detecting it’s still a nice video, thanks for making it
Where are you located, it’s hard in Delaware to find anyone to detect with.
I am in Idaho
Sod Busters Metal Detecting what a beautiful background you have on a daily basis, all we have home here are flat lands lol Take care
All: the update is not called software; it is called *firmware*
Watching your sweeping style tells me you will have wobble shaft in your future.
19/2/ 2021. I've been detecting for over 20 years & had a dozen different detectors. I recently sold my X-Terra 705 to buy the Minelab Equinox 800.
When I detected a target with the X-Terra, the pinpoint mode put me right on top of the target.
Since buying the Nox 800, (with the current update) I notice that the target is "pinpointed" about 2 inches from the centre of the coil, thereby making it hard to find.
Does anyone have any suggestions please?
The 3.0 update is what causes that. This was my remedy ua-cam.com/video/3ZUC-kyP7mE/v-deo.html