What Is A Pattern Maker's Vise and Why Is It The Best
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- Опубліковано 29 чер 2024
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A pattern makers vise was the vice that a pattern maker would use. a pattern maker was the Woodworker that made patterns for casting. a pattern usually had organic flowing shapes. and because of this, the pattern maker had to have a vice that could hold odd shapes.
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My father was a pattern maker when I was a child. When Bethlehem Steel went out of business in Baltimore my father was forced into bankruptcy. As a child I was fascinated by the amount of tools, clamps, etc. I was constantly amazed at his ability to solve complex problems with the required demands placed on him when the Bethlehem Shipyard was in full force.
I own 2 Emmert vises I picked up from Baltimore area! Small world
As a pattern maker these vises were more useful when patterns were made by hand a lot more than now.
The real skill of the pattern maker is to take a 2D drawing and make a 3D pattern ( part) from it in such a way that it could be used to make sand molds from.
Shrinkage, draft to allow it to come out of the sand , cores for hollow areas , under cut etc .
3D printing which we utilizes as well as 3D machining requirers knowledge mentioned above. A 3D drawing is only a starting point.
Without a pattern makers skills you will not be able to make castings efficiently in a foundry
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Any time you have a casting you need a pattern. This is the case from bronze plaques on buildings to 98,000 bhp diesel engines. Growing up in the Detroit area there were pattern makers scattered around Detroit and the suburbs. I remember along Eight Mile Road there were shops that specialized in pattern making amongst the small machine shops. All producing products for the auto industry.
As a naval architect patterns were used for castings used in rudders, rudder horns, bow stems, hawse pipes for anchor chains, gypsy heads on winches, anchors, deck bolsters, mooring fittngs, crankcases, stern tubes, and propellers. The list goes on and on. 3D printing is being used for many parts. But when you have a propeller that is 10m in diameter 3D printing is probably not a choice.
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I like watching (when I can) these odd, but purposeful, tool episodes. It allows my mind to imagine how much ingenuity our forefathers had, and how they built countries like America and England
And to accompany your pattern-maker's vice, you also need your pattern-maker's rulers (a.k.a. "shrink rules") to make allowance for the shrinkage of various metals when castings are made from your patterns.
But store them well away from your regular rulers. You REALLY don't want to get them mixed up. (Don't ask how I know)
That's an awesome vice.! Now imagine, integrating the Fractal Vice into this!...
I have had my 1912 Yost for 25 years, I can't imagine working without it...
I'm in love with your lathe. Well, not in LOVE, per se, but you know. I don't recall seeing it before. Awesome video!
here is the video restoring it. ua-cam.com/video/KHi_MmHxkh8/v-deo.html
@@WoodByWrightHowTo Thanks! I missed that one.
Worked in a pattern shop doing pattern setup for Nidec right outta high-school. The pattern maker guys there were some of the smartest woodworkers I've ever met in my life. I learned more there in a few months than I did in my 4 years of high-school woodshop and building and construction classes. And I didn't even fully grasp like 90% of all the stuff they were doing.
There was this guy Dan that I swear knew or could figure out literally anything woodworking related. He worked in a cabinet shop before he was a pattern maker, used to tell me how he'd have to flatten table topswith a long board with sand paper on it lol. My first day was painting one of the big patterns he had just made and as I was painting it I was absolutely mind boggled by how he could have built this thing. Was a thing of beauty... until it went to the foundry lol where if I remember correctly it came back like 3 weeks later needing some patch work with bondo.
For the measurements for patterns they used shrink tapes that basically had the metal shrink build into every foot incrementally. We also had some shrink rules as well. I remember I couldn't get my own shrink tape because we woulda had to order a whole bunch of them because they didn't just make them in small batches. For a lot of the inside curves/radius we used either leather or wooden fillets and glue them in place.
I don't think I ever saw a 3d printed pattern, but we did have a huge cnc. For patterns that we wouldn't use more than once or twice we it routed them outta Styrofoam but it also made wooden ones as well. Also I don't think I ever say a pattern makers vise in our shop. I know we had bench vises but I don't think they were pattern makers vises.. could totally be wrong on that though as I didn't use the vise much. Last cool detail is that besides the cnc I'm pretty sure most of the big tools we used, huge bandsaws, and disc sanders were extremely old. But they still worked well. Really liked and enjoyed working there was a awesome job.
The old Pattern Maker that I worked with told me that Pattern Makers make lousy cabinet makers. They’re used to working to such tight tolerances that if they made a drawer it would close but you’d never get it opened again.
The pattern makers vice is great for relief carving, rifle stock shaping & carving, cabriole style shaped legs, tapering table legs and so much more. It’s practical application for woodworking is enormous and goes way beyond just making patterns. Thank you as always for exposing this highly adaptable vice to more people.
Watching a Pattern Maker is a parade of unique, interesting tools and techniques to handle that organic shape (a great way to define the product). Once again, thank you.
My Dad found this video and shared it with us.
What an awesome tool! 👍
It's so cool to learn unique things in history. 😊
And we loved your pun at the end! 😄😉👍
I believe pattern makers still exist. My father in law was a pattern maker and also did temp controlled machining which is why he made many parts for nuclear subs and the space shuttle. We also still had pattern makers at McDonnell Douglas / Boeing when I retired in 2001. I recently built my best and last work bench. I have two large Emmert pattern makers vises on it with all the accessories. It may hurt to hear this but my total investment in both vises is $200 and one was never used before.
They are defiantly still around, but they are not common. Wow. What a steel of a deal!
The older ones I have seen on benches also recessed the mounting plate about 1/2below the bench so that when the vise was raise 90 degrees the work piece would lay flat along the entire bench. Also you can cover up the mounting plate with a piece of veneer so it is hidden. Very cool!
At first, I thought wow my vices suck then I see the price. Yeppers I'm good now. Thank you, great video.
For small light work, like model making, Panavise makes small vises that provide three axes of rotation. They also offer several choices for how to mount the vise: clamp, vacuum or screw down, and several jaw geometries, including one for holding flat sheets, e.g. printed circuit boards.
Always enjoy learning new and slightly obscure things about tools and woodworking. Thanks for this video and keep them coming, this is my favorite channel on woodworking!
I recently bought a small bench that has the Veritas version of the Emmert Pattern Maker’s vise, I had wanted one for a decade or more. I love the versatility of it, but Im glade it is on its own bench, leaving my more traditional bench and vises intact. Great video, as always.
The large Emmeritt pattern makers has been on my bench for years. They are the Best vices made. Peroid.
I have a very old Emmerts vise at home that has had a few repairs but I love it. At work we have one made by Kindt-Collins. I believe they bought the patterns from Oliver and made them themselves for a number of years.
Very cool. I'm looking forward to seeing you use this vise on future projects.
About 15years ago, I purchased one from Lee valley, The Tucker Vise.
My wife has that same Oliver vise on her kitchen "workbench". It has the original crank handle still in it. If you want me to take some pictures and take some measurements, just let me know.
In my 50 plus yrs this is the first one I have ever seen or known what I'm looking at it is very cool on your bench. Ceep the videos coming
Can we mayhaps see some pattern making at your Channel soon?
I would love to see some of this amazing work❤
Fascinating breakdown of the pattern maker. One of those things that is obvious upon reflection but never occurred to me!
Excellent video! Very informative, educational and entertaining. Thanks, James!
Awesome vice. It may not be needed by most of us but each us has done something that it could have made life so much easier. If you are getting started, then saving up for one of these might not be a bad idea.
I’m here a year later, but this reminds me of the nicer luthier vices like Total Vice’s Proper’s Guitar Workstation or their finishing station. They’re super specific to the trade. But they will hold an instrument in any convenient orientation and you can tilt or rotate on any axis (just do 1 at a time).
I’ll never buy one. I work on guitars as a hobby. But if it was my livelihood, I’d fork out the cash for the speed and ergonomics.
Interesting and nice video, as always! Thanks for keeping them coming!
It's a pretty impressive vise indeed, James! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
An interesting 10 minutes! Thank you.
Learned a lot from this, thank you.
My guy! Great video! I learned something new today, thank you!
You bought two pattern makers vises, and you're still married? Your wife is a saint. So is mine. She very supportive of my hobby and my tool addiction, but I haven't pushed it that far. Not yet. LOL!
Great summary. Really.
I’m still viseless though, and I can see many ways to manage irregular shapes without a vise.
As you say though, if you were a pattern maker . . .
Love to see you create a pattern for that lathe seat.
Great video. I was always curious about this vise. I am not able to buy one, but it gave me some ideas how to improve my custom made front bench vise 👍 For instance that 4 dogs system can be applied to a custom vise as it hold irregular shapes very effectively. I always have problem with those.
Good videos James, really interesting. Regards Jim UK.
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Thanks for sharing.
Huh, I’ve never seen one of those. I kind of want one for my main woodworking vise 😉
Nice review.🙂🙂
Well here's my comment to help 😀 Really cool vices, but as you said, unless you're making patterns or doing lots of carving, then maybe it'd be worth the $$. Oh also, yeah, still digging on the history lessons of old tools/things from yesteryear.
Awesome thanks for sharing 👍 😀
Does the algorithm rate my comment? I hope not. Thanks for your videos.I always enjoy them.
Your shirt is amazing.
Pricey!
Thank you!!!
Dude, shhhhhhh. You're going to spike the price. ;)
For real. Patternmakers vises are already expensive enough.
Interesting thank you.
Very cool.
Nice one.
great video
Damn. I had a pun, but I lost it after getting in to the comments for a sec. So, well, here's for the algorithm.
I would love to see a series of videos on pattern maker's tools.
I would have to get more. Maybe some day.
Very cool
These vises are cool and would probably be really handy in guitar making, but I don't think I've ever seen one for sale around where I live.
Luthiers use a similar vice, but it is generally made of wood and has a longer nose. they do not need as much clamping force.
The boat builder in me wants one.
Awesome video! Have you used or know anything about the pattern maker saw? I have one and am interested in what ways to use it effectively. Even being pointed in the right direction would be appreciated, because I've had a hard time finding info on them.
ya it is like a back saw and a key hole saw had a kid. it is a bit stiffer then a key hole saw but could still get into tight spots. there are very few places where it shines. but some odd patterns require those capabilities.
@@WoodByWrightHowTo Thank you! That definitely helps me narrow down when to use it.
James is showing us all his vises.
1:27, so it's like the chicken and the egg: what came first, the pattern or the pattern maker's vise?
Suggestion for a Live.....I would love it if you could visit or have a pattern maker join you for questions. They seem like elite level woodworkers with the coolest tools, so obviously I would love to pick their brains if possible.
that has been on my list for a wile. I would love to!
Nice.
0:06 to 0:08. Gave me Hannibal vibes along the same line as "Hello, Clarice "
Wow you’re the luckyezt woodworker on youtube 😱
Hey if your big patern vise is in no use i’ll buy it and pay for shipping !!! Please i need one or else it would be Andrew Klein’s vise 🤷 I’m going to build my bench around it 👍🏼
sorry I am saving that one for my dream bench. but if I had to pick between he pattern makers vice and Andrew Klein’s... I would go with Andrew Klein’s.
@@WoodByWrightHowTo yeah i know Klein’s vise is only for wood and my dream bench is having to work with metal also that’s why i’m looking for a patterns vise . If by any chance you want to sell one of yours tell me ok 😉🇨🇦 Thx for sharing your knowlege 👍🏼
To get the most out of that vice you’re going to need more tools! Specialty tools at that! And now the fun begins!
That is always the case!
Cool! were you ever planning on doing patternmaking/ casting videos?
… the best kind of kill is overkill. This vice is definitely overkill, so super cool, but overkill. Thanks for sharing it with us.
Interesting.
We want to see what you use the pattern makers vice for,I’m sure it will be good.
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Hello joy
I'm a disabled one handed carver who enjoys carving organic flowing art pieces clamping and using a vice is the only way I can do what I do , in your opinion do you reckon a pattern makers vice would be a good investment for a hobbyist like me if you could put a mitten on your none dominant hand and see how easy your vice is to use with limited manipulation with that hand that would be a great help thanks 🙏
It would not be as easy but it would be very doable to run one handed. Everything is friction held so you can loosen each connection just enough to move it with one hand and then reach back down and lock it at that position. So if you found yourself doing odd sculptures that are hard to hold in a traditional vice this might be worth looking at.
I have a pattern makers vise that I bought at Woodcraft, $250, several years ago. It wobbles slightly, just enough to be a distracting annoyance. I feel it when planning wood. Is this to be expected with pattern makers vices, or is mine typical of Asian made vices, thus the saying "you get what you pay for"?
Are we going see to a PatternmakingByWright channel appear?
I have an uninstalled Emmert. I do a lot of carved bowls. I am wondering if it might work well on a carvers/chairmaker's bench--the ones that are roughly '3x3'. What do you think?
There are a lot of applications in carving where it would be great!
Generally, a patternmaker's vise is about like owning a long-coveted antique motorcycle. Nevertheless, in ten or fifteen years of owning a big Oliver I've used the huge capacity revolving, rotating, infinitely tiltable carver's chops more than once. Whee!
that is about the best explanation.
Presumably you misspoke, of course we all need pattern maker vises! If not, it would implicate we could do without some tools and gadgets, which is obviously false...
6:00 woodcraft used to sell a Chinese made one
Yeah I've seen a few of those. And everything I've read on them is they were pretty much trash. I haven't seen them in a long time now.
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Now you need to get a core box plane.
But I've gotta ask, is that lathe seat cast iron, or did they stamp it out of steel plate then hot bend it to a die? Should be easy enough to tell in real life.
some day I want to do a video on one of those! the seat is cast. Most of it is 3/8" thick.
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I checked the price of a new one. 😱
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So when do we get to see if in action?
When the video calls for it.
So it sounds like I have no reason to go looking for a Pattern-makers vise but if I inherit one, SCORE!
soooo. you going to start making paterns???
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Google images search of pattern maker's vise shows two distinct designs, this one and a surface-mounted swivelling vise. I know this because a lot of luthiers use the second type (I'm only amateur, and have yet to purchase one).
does anybody offer classes that would teach pattern making?... I'm only guessing no because it's close to being an extinct trade... if that's the case we definitely lost something...
I don't know of any on that specific topic. it would be a fun one though.
So you need a patern maker vice to create a patern to create a patern maker vice... 😅
Stop taking drugs.
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