How To Install a Pattern Makers Vise In A Woodworking Bench
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- Опубліковано 21 жов 2022
- A Pattern Maker's vice is the most advanced vice with he most capabilities. Today we will be showing how to install a Pattern Maker's vice int to my woodworking bench.
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One vice to rule them all, one vice to bind them; one vice to bring them in, and on the work bench combine them!
An Emmert pattern-makers vise has been the heart of my Shop for the past 45 years. Greatest vise ever invented!
First thing I said when I saw just how much that beast can move: "Dude, I (effing) need that."
That's officially on my woodworking bucket list.
"That isn't a vice. THIS is a vice!"
- James 'Crocodile Dundee' Wright
A friend acquired one of these from an old timer. He said the old timer took a chainsaw to his bench to remove it. Just, CHOP! There you have it!
I'd never seen one of these and am amazed by it. Very beautiful piece of kit. A work of art in itself.
Nice work on the installation!
Really nice to hear you mention “Acorn to Arabella”, I have been really enjoying their project.
In my best upper Midwest dad-voice... "that's slick".... kicks tires
Oh... Wow! 😯
What the heck, James! This vise looks like those small clown cars, that transforms in everything! 😳
I've never seen something like that here in Brazil!
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Nice to see you using a Swedish saw! Hultafors started year 1697 with making ships nail and later axes and other tools.
Yes, and Hultafors makes the best purely metric 3 meter tape I can find though I got the impression it is exported to the US by a Brit company. The model to which I refer is about $30 but has a 100 mm tongue that can be released by a tamboured slide that allows precise inside measurements.
@@markkoons7488 Yes the Talmeter as it is called here in Sweden was invented by Ture Anders Ljungberg = Tal meter in 1954 and Hultafors bought the company 2005.
No no no, we absolutely need one of these! Very cool vise with all the rotations and so... 👍👍
One vise to rule them all!
That's honestly one of the coolest vise's I have ever seen! Had no idea those existed!
Yeah oh man oh buddy! I just bought a 76" beech bench with one of these recessed into the end nice and flush like. Plus it comes with a huge wood turnscrew kind, a chain drive tail vise and a just kinda regular one...
...all for $1k on craigslist 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
Wow! Nice find!
I was just watching your livestream with Rex from a few months ago where y'all talked about these and was curious about these. Fun timing!
I think I need a nap after my head ran through a million billion ways this vice could be used. Looking forward to seeing how you enjoy this addition to your shop. 🎉
After chopping into the bench. The next project will be ....
Build a new bench. Fantastic. 😁😁😁
That vise looks really handy and really expensive.
Yes and Very YES
I was thrilled to get mine, and had it for four years. The most action it saw was me bashing my hip into it. So I sold it for what I paid and do not miss it. Yes, I know that it was an amazingly versatile vise but it really wasn't all that useful day to day. I do have a carving vice for holding odd shaped items, which I have on a cleat that gets held by my leg vise. I certainly hope you remain enamored with yours. Filling in the cavity was a PITA. Good luck, and thanks for all you do.
It is most definitely not a vice for everyone. It does very specific things incredibly well. But not everyone does those things.
I don't have one. But one thing I realize is that a lot of moving parts is not really good. Sure you can adjust it to another position. But can you get it back to the original position?
FWIW. I have sliding miter saw. I just tweak it to exactly 90 degrees. And hopefully forever leave it there. After all 95% of cuts are square cut. Every cut is square.
Me installing a moxon vice to my bench: “I’m a real wood worker now!”
Me watching James install this vice: 😳😳😳
That is a super cool vise.
Totally jealous. I've always wanted one too, but have the same conundrum. Need a bigger bench...bigger shop....etc. I did just get my twin turbo vice from Andy Klein and just need to wrap up work in progress so I can clear the bench and install it!
Really cool, man!
Now , that is a vice 🗜️🗜️!!!!!!!
Have it, love it!
Buys a tool, installs it. Buys another tool, installs it. I think I see a pattern here! In other news, I scored a Millers Falls fore plane in decent, usable condition today for 22 bucks😎
Wow!, that is a cool vice. I think a video saying what that vice can't do might be easier for you to make :)
I thought about you when I saw Steve put his in on A2A! 😀
I need one of these. googled and yeah nahh super nice but I bought a car and truck for less then one vice but I look forward to seeing you enjoy it. it's absolutely a nice upgrade for you workbench
yup. they often cost as much or more then the rest of the bench!
James posts video, I open a new tab to see if I can buy a new vice....
Great content! It takes guts to chop out your bench. Ya gotta put enough work on the bench to gain the confidence level to potentially destroy it.
That is definitely a really cool and I imagine useful vice and I gave a like, but I have to tell you James', I think it's time for an intervention, you really do have an addiction 😆
I have done this same job with my pattern makers vise. So, you have a “vice” for “vise’s”? My installation was difficult because of my bench. A bowling alley with lots of nails! I also did an installation video of my new vise. Found it interesting how you started off so traditional but ended up using power tools. Yeah, me too😊
Here is the link to my install video if interested. Thanks James, looking forward to you showing the uses video.
ua-cam.com/video/h-NQLhUEzM4/v-deo.html
Are you worried about the giant handle in the middle of the bench getting in your way? I envision multiple unintentional groin shots
Not in this case. It is closer in then both of the other two boxes on that side of the bench.
Pretty sure your bench is now named Benchimus Prime.
All the bells and whistles a vise could have, except for quick release. What an absolutely beautiful machine. But given that you can put it vertical, I guess quick release would be a very bad idea. Otherwise it would quickly release your fingers from your hand.
You beat me to it.
I predict a new workbench build by February. You can only modify a bench so much before you decide to start from scratch. Plus, it's content.
Un fortunately my next bench won't fit in this shop. So I got to build the next shop first. But then I need the $40K FIRST.
Do you really need a dining room? Just sayin'.... It's an option.
I have a machinist vice mounted on a fixed arm off one end of my bench to deal with little fiddly bits I would like a bit closer to eyes.
Nice james
New bench build coming? It would be hard to make a better looking bench, but you need a place for that behemoth of a vice.
I have to build a shop that can fit the bench that can fit the vise. Some day!
@@WoodByWrightHowTo , I completely understand that. I'm working in a small corner of our small basement. I have power tools, but it's hard to use them in that space. The older I get, the more I enjoy the quiet of hand tools, anyway.
I need to stop watching your channel. It seems like every time I do I find something that I didn't know I wanted until you introduced me to it. 😂😭
It is a Swiss Army vice. All it needs is a built-in screwdriver and a steel toothpick. Itr slices, it dices, it severs, it maimes!
If the president has a vice president, and you have a vice, then I guess that makes you a viceroy.
You've got some serious Vice issue's.
Impressive you did 99.9% by hand tools.
Really cool vice never seen one.
Dose anyone still make them?
Is there a machine shop metal working version?
No one makes them anymore. You have to find them in the tool collecting an antique world. You can check out www.handtoolfinder.com to see if someone has one around you.
I'd love a pattern makers vice no idea what I'd use it for but. Check out the HNT Gordon pattern makers vice it's such a beautiful piece of engineering.
I'd have probably paid extra for the quick release version.....
They don't call those vises an ""Iron Hand" for nothing. I've got one (it's a real brute) but I haven't had the guts to mount it yet. Now that I see how you did it (the original instruction - from the dark ages - don't help much) I'll probably mount it up this winter. It's actual name is an "Emmert Vise" - they were made in Emmetsburg, PA - I've been there many times (about 30 minutes drive from me) - I've never found the factory (probably burned down or repurposed). Woodcraft used to sell something that looks like the small version. I've never seen a big one before. I don't think anyone sells them anymore - you'd probably find them (if you look carefully) at a hand tool woodworking show. And there's nothing wrong with using a power tool (I do it all the time - go Bosch!)
Stay safe and healthy!
Yup I got both of these at tool meets. The big one I have is a Union. But this one is from Emmert.
Brian, Check out Waynesboro Pa. You'll find a factory called "frick" about 10 miles north of Emmitsburg. The originals where built there but no longer. I also live in Pa and was checking into the factory. I am sure there is a barn somewhere that has a few and nobody knows what they are. This is why i keep going to yard sales in the area.
@@thaynegouse576 I will have to check that out (I was told it was Emmetsburg - but I now see it's Waynesboro - which does make sense. So now I know the area to look in - its even on google maps.
A vice vice advice twice: nice nice
Curious. @13:06 ... Recessing the back jaw into the table. Is it obstructing the vise from turning? At least until it tilted way up.
It is at that point. Later I carved a bit more to free the rotation at any point..
I think it would have been a bit easier to inset the rear jaw into the bench, if you had taken the front jaw and screw assembly off, and just wrestled the back around.
I think you are I are beyond counselling mate.
Do you think a counsellor would provide good ad-vice?
@@steh8217 I think a counsellor might get a good grip on the matter.
These puns are so shocking they're Jaw dropping
@@steh8217 The puns are clamping my style a bit.
Can i ask what kind of vice is this like maker how long and if posible where to find one? With me doing everything from wood work to leather work and makeing custom knifes and saddles i think this would be extremely handy and solve a masive amout of my work holding issues
I usually find them at MWTCA tool meets. You can ask some of the antique tool sellers on www.handtoolfinder.com
So juts landed a Emmert K1 and I’m sitting looking at 90pounds of awesome and scary lol. That being said I am going to build a bench around it ( was thinking the English joiner bench build that Rex shows on his channel) any thoughts on a bench build that would suite a vise like the K1. On a side note thanks for inspiring me and always expanding my understanding, appreciation, and knowledge of hand woodworking. In a complex and busy life hitting the slow down button and working with my hands is like taking a deep breadth.
I would say in English bench would not be the best for advice like this. This vice would end up weighing almost as much as the rest of the bench. And you really need a bench that's about four times the weight at least. I've actually seen a bench fall over when one of these were mounted. If the bench is too light then the center of gravity moves very close to the vise. This means that any work you do in it will easily shake the whole bench. A lot of pattern makers actually mounted their benches to the ground or wall.
Always with something new just to make me jealous....smh. 😆
This episode is dedicated for “add-vise”.
Wow! How did i not know these exist?
Do you own the big version too for when you make your next bench? Or was that borrowed for the video
Yup I got the bigger one for the day I make my dream bench in my dream shop.
Wow, looking forward to it. Any luck sourcing the bench top?
So, are you now on the vice squad?
what would be best style Workbench for this vise? I'm only guessing a Roubo?...
You can put it on anything. as long as the bench is heavy enough that this will not make it tip over.
Have you seen the visa versa?
Hey, I was wondering what the two brands were you are using. The small one looks like the Veritas Tucker's vise. Thanks!
the small one was Emmert and the big one was an oliver.
Thanks so much! My I ask the clamping demsions?
I'm sorry, but I would have brought the router out once the outline was scribed on the top.
I want a pattern makes vice.
couple questions here james. why did you use a devil powered tool? does the larger one have any capabilities that this one doesnt have? where are you at with regard to building the dream shop on your land? could you give a good price point for each of the two pattern vices? btw i had to go to a lower patreon tier for a little while due to medical bills for my wife but i will be back up to normal soon.
LOL I used electrons for speed we had a limited time to get this one in.
The larger one and the smaller one are exactly the same just size.
The shop is being pushed off. Currently can not afford it right now. some day hopefully.
for a larger one you are looking around $1000 for the smaller one you are looking around $600
thanks for the support man. that means more then I can say!
I restored a massive old Oliver patternmaker's vise but put in too short a handle, about 12". Did you have to make your own handle or was it available from current production somewhere?
Mine came with the handle. But the larger one I have I will have to make the handle. No one makes them anymore.
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It looked like recessing the vise are it not able to rotate unless it's raised all the way up, is that why some are not recessed
no if you want it to rotate when flat then you just have to chisel out a bit more. I may do that in the future if I need it. but most of the time if I need to rotate it I will just lift it a bit rotate it and bring it back down.
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Hi James, I am looking for exactly this vise. Can you please give me a hint, where I can buy this vice?. Thank you in advance for your response
H&t Gordon still makes one but it is a very different version. Other than that no one is making a pattern Maker's vice anymore. If you want to find an antique one I would start by going down the list of antique sellers on www.hantoolfinder.com
@@WoodByWrightHowTo Hi James, thank you very much for your advice and sorry for my late reaction. I found the mail just again in my mailbox. Keep gooing, I like your videos very much!
Is the vise that you mounted a new production vise? I have an Emmert and I know they didn’t make them that small. Your big one is an Oliver right? Very cool either way!!!
Yes the large one is an Oliver. The small one was one of the last ones that Emmert sold. This one was never mounted, but was pulled out of a barn earlier this year.
@@WoodByWrightHowTo wow what a find!!!
Always wondered how one of these would be mounted. Will this make one or both of your leg vises redundant or unusable?
The leg vice can do a few other things. But not much.
@@WoodByWrightHowTo Well if one of those leg vises needs a new home let me know 😉
When is a vise a vice? When it’s a pattern maker!
I was going to say when it crosses the pond.
is the installation the same on these vises, regardless of manufacturer?...
Basically yes.
I know there are some people that go viceless while woodworking but now I think that James is stealing there vices
You need a bigger workshop so you can build a bigger bench so you can mount the bigger vice.....😁
Some day. Lol. Some day.
Is this the same thing as a "luthier's vise"?
No. Those are softer and have a longer jaw.
JAMES WRIGHT, but what if your left. Or sometime wrong?
Does them mean 2 wrights make a wrong if your child's left-handed?
Assuming left-handed kids are wrong.
How much doll hairs do vices like them cost?
The big ones are around $1000 the smaller are around $600.
so why are these vises not standard in every workshop?
The big one is usually around $1000 and the smaller one is around $600.
@@WoodByWrightHowTo oh that's actually not as much i would have expected
Where can I get one of those vises?
HNT sells a new version. But other than that there are no modern makers. If you check out www.handtoolfinder.com you might find one or two for sale on some of the online sites. Most the time it's up to who you know.
@@WoodByWrightHowTo Thanks for the answer! I found the HNT Gordon, very nice but also very expensive :D Do you know if those patents from Emmert are still functual (I'm from Germany and have only knowledge on patents here not in the US) or if i can just 3D print (with metal) those vises? I already made a CAD drawing of the parts with some improvements ;)
if i may give some ad vise you probably don’t need anymore vises
A fifth vise, on a five foot long bench? I'm detecting a pattern here ...
Is Sarah aware of your Vices?
Why 'pattern maker' in the name? It makes me think that this was for someone making jigs (patterns) for a final product.
A pattern maker made patterns for casting. So they created a lot of organic and flowing shapes. And with odd shapes they needed a way to hold them.
lol he's tool flexing again
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