I can understand some criticism of Luke, but I don't know how Anakin is a Mary Sue, I'll just remind you that this is a man who broke ties with those who love him with his actions, he broke his wife's heart and contributed to her death and his brother became for a long time his sworn enemy, and became a crippled slave and faithful dog of literally the Devil
Anakin Skywalker: *gets his ass kicked by Count Dooku and spends the Clone Wars learning how to defeat him, puts on leather armor for protection, and grows to be a skilled warrior Sequel Fans: “that sounds like something a Mary Sue would do”
Luke was born with the same raw force potential as anakin Skywalker, luke Skywalker a faster learned than anakin, vader in the return of the jedi novel said that luke is more than all jedi previous him, but that he need experience to master his skills and abilities @benclark4823
"The Force is a tool, Jaden. Sometimes a weapon, sometimes a salve. Dark Side, Light Side, these are distinctions of insignificant difference. Do not fall into the trap of classification. Sentience curses us with a desire to categorize and draw lines, to fear that after this be dragons. But that is illusion. After this is not dragons but more knowledge, deeper understanding. Be at peace with that." - Kyle Katarn. So technically no, it wasn't a game mechanic, it was an established philosophy by some Jedi.
I always took that as a line that reflected how one could play the game. Also I’m going to give Jedi Academy more lax because it was in development probably around the start of Attack of the Clones. That’s the thing, stories released before or during the Prequels are a bit iffy.
@@j.j.plagiarisms7149 That quote is actually from the Novel Crosscurrent, where Jaden feared that using his Dark Side abilities caused him to question himself as a Jedi, but he soon learned that Kyle was trying to tell him to transcend preconceived notions regarding the Dark Side, and that it would lead him to deeper knowledge on the Force itself.
@@brianjordan3841sequel fans aren’t worth considering. And really, are there actual sequel fans? The only people who give a shit about the ST are the Fandem Menace and they are super obsessed with it. No one else cares enough to even remember there ever was a ST.
@@iplaydodgeballexactly. Anakin used the force during podraces, and Luke somehow learned to use telekinesis without Ben ever even mentioning it to him, much less training him in that aspect of the force. Force users always needing training precludes the very first force users being able to discover the force and force powers. It’s painfully obvious that individuals can use force powers unconsciously and without training to at least some degree, perhaps through the Force itself communicating with them on some level. The introduction of Midichloreans gives a mechanism for this communication. That being said, Ray’s abilities are bordering on unbelievable but are not among the main reasons why the ST sucks.
Well said, man. Sequel fanboys can be so biased, especially regarding Rey. Characters like Nomi Sunrider, Bastila Shan, and Satele Shan had years of training, and those characters had to work through it rather than believe in themselves.
@Ralsei Acolyte cause he is God I've heard this analogy before but it's like explaining to flat earthers why the world is round, but they don't get it as much as you try to explain.
In the Expanded Universe there are characters who are very powerful even without having been trained for years, like Nomi Sunrider for example. But the difference between Nomi and Rey is this: Nomi hasn’t had much contact with Jedi masters and she hasn't been trained for years, but she learned to use many of her powers on her own, so she’s still had some kind of extended training. It’s self-taught training, but it’s still training, because to learn how to do something yourself you have to try until you manage to do it. So, all those who want to use the Expanded Universe to justify Rey's powers are wrong.
Some force sensitives may be strong due to the powerful connection to the force and only use one force ability they can master easily. Like when Anakin was 9. Qui-Gon mentioned he has the ability to see things before they happen. And Luke mastered the ability to communicate with force ghosts. The Sunriders have a powerful force ability called Battle Meditation which makes Nomi very useful for it. Nomi had months of training with Master Thon and in later years trained with Vodo Baas, Arca Jeth, and Odan-Urr.
JJ is weird. When I was a kid I would ask, "I wonder if I would be lucky enough to be a force sensitive person in Star Wars," but then realized it didn't matter because I could live that fantasy through the video games or playing with toys and shit. I didn't need Chewbaca or something to reach down deep and use the force when he needed it. LOL
If they would have just explained that Rey was drawing off of Ben's connection of the Force through their bond all would have been fixed but the fans like me are better at coming up with writing and ideas nowadays I guess lol. Forcewave is sadly one of those people that believes that since George sold it that he doesn't get to decide canon anymore. The mocking of JJ Abrams was gold in this lol.
Your concept of force healing is wrong by the way. In the EU, it only accelerated the natural healing process. If it had worked the way it was supposed to as opposed to how Disney wanted it portrayed, Rey wouldn't have been able to heal Kylo at all.
...Which means that the Disney version, which as of the time of writing this is the canon version because the Magic Empire says so, is the unnatural Dark Side version.
@@j.j.plagiarisms7149 when on the Falcon, Finn asked if Rey had flown before and that's what she answered. It obviously wasn't the Falcon though since its stated a few minutes earlier that it hadn't flown for years.
@@lord_destros2188 she could have just 'lied' during their run much in same vain Finn lied to Poe on knowing how to shoot with the TIEs weapons. Not to mention the Millennium Falcon is a ship that requires 2 pilots to fly effectively. Her flying the Falcon like an X-Wing is impossible if I compare it properly to the controls of the P-40 fighter to those of the B-17 Bomber. You had to have super strength to keep the B-17 up in the air for a long time as a single person. Which is why during bailing, the pilots are the last ones to leave. And to go further, never in heated moments is the copilot away from the pilot in any of the Original Trilogy films. And before you bring up the TIE attack in ANH, you don't want your pilots performing fancy maneuvers. I came across information that a Wellington Bomber gunner couldn't keep his head up experiencing less than 3Gs, and this is a bomber.
@@strategicperson95 I never brought up the Falcon except for describing the scene, I already have issue with her flying it by herself. And there's no evidence that proves Rey lied about her apparent ability to fly ships, JJ probably thought that all ships in sw can be flown regardless of how they're made.
If I remember correctly, the Dark Side and the Force (Light Side) are somewhat like a Yin-Yang, but the Sith are what causes the Force to become unbalanced with their reckless use of the Dark Side and their lust for greater power and control. That's why you can have 10,000 Jedi no problem, but even 2 Sith are too much because they're all scheming assholes bent on galactic domination.
13:09 actually, no, Force Heal is a Light Side power, even in Star Wars Legends. Dark Side versions of it are called Force Drain. Granted, great fucking video so far. Especially since Force Heal in Legends has the user go through a lot of training, Meditation. Initial levels of Force Heal required meditation, but greater aptitude usually granted faster regeneration, without need of meditation. Greater levels of attainment were also able to mend far more severe injuries, even major damage to flesh and bone and even going as far as to mend internal damage, such as damage to the heart, lungs, and so forth; even to the point of sustaining functions of lost organs and on rare occasions resurrecting dead tissue or even people, though that was possible if the Brain was still active. (Real world science, you aren't considered dead until your brain stops being active.* A variation of this power was Force Purification, as well as Force Assist which was a Force technique that enabled the user to heal people other than themselves, and with enough concentration, the user was able to heal others' bodies and minds, simultaneously.
Even in the Arthurian Legends, King Arthur didn't start as the perfect warrior, he had to train and be tested in battle and in politics to unite Britain. He was also not the greatest warrior in his court in Camelot, nor did he always win.
This why I love the old pre Disney pre Dave filoni EU, the living force the physical plane, the cosmic force the spiritual realm all were well explained, the force wasn't so watered down and nerfed, the force wasn't just a plot device, even the weakest jedi and sith could pull up some incredible feats of they study the force enough meditate enough, get amped by a very powerful force place called "force nexus" it could be light side force nexus or dark side nexus, sometimes the force will would enchance a force user if he or her need to also jedi and sith could grow more powerful stronger skilled and knowledged by training sparring, meditating, going through war, studying the force by jedi/sith holocroms scrolls, tomes, or even absorbing a powerful force nexus to regain his or her connection to the force, like kyler katarn did after theu dark force series, force users all had different abilities in the force some were born with it some learned it, but not every force users had the same force abilities like in Disney star wars they all use the force in the same way to do the same
I always hate it when people think that because of obi wans dialogue in episode 4 it means everyone can use the force because it clearly never was the case. If anyone could use the force based on believe there's literally 0 reason why luke was perceived to be their only hope and why leia was perceived as the other. They could literaly have grabbed a random kid, make him belueve and train him up. There's noreaaon why it had to be Luke to kill vader...it would even be stupid considering they're father and son as obi wan believed vader had to be defeated and that there was no good left in him.
I feel like force diads or whatever the fuck it is(force bonds?), would be a cool concept if used correctly. For instance (I’m taking an idea was real life and from Jujutsu Kaisen), identical twins(or just normal twins) should have force bonds. This is because due to their genetic info being identical the will of the force treats them as one. (Now create some more implications for that idea, im too tired to do that since it’s 3am and I’m fucked up on pain meds after surgery)
I would also like to add that Luke was coached by the voice of Obi Wan Kenobi during the Death Star trench run n Luke didn’t have a blaster on him while he was hanging nor did he have any other means of getting himself free from the ice so yeah what r his opinions try to use the force to get his lightsaber or hang there until the Wompa decided to eat him let me think what’s a better idea hmm… yeah I think I think I would’ve tried to use the force too
Toxicity isn't cool, man. Isn't it wonderful to discuss things in a calm and reasonable manner, we should attract others as a fandom and not scare them away
The Exile never recovered their powers because they felt and used the Force by forming bonds. It was indirect. Kreia says it right after escaping Peragus. So, the Exile is cut off from the Force until the end of KOTOR 2 and beyond
Well it’s because Disney didn’t understand George Lucas’s Star Wars or haven’t watch the original trilogy or the prequel trilogy of Star Wars because they even don’t care about Star Wars or don’t even know what the force was plus I think it was a big mistake for giving Star Wars to Disney im not saying a hate comment but just my opinion
George being so naive as to never consider that Disney would do whatever it wanted to Star Wars is certainly a falsehood. He knew full well that selling Lucasfilm meant another company would control each property, including Star Wars, and that those franchises would not be static. The original works still exist, and fans can pick and choose whatever they enjoy. But the legal authority to define canon is with the owners of the IP: Disney. I’ve felt that canon arguments have always been useless BS, even during the 90s and 2000s when Lucas implemented his multi tier canon list. All that meant to me is that future works simultaneously were freed but also restricted by previous works. Continuity is fine, but don’t let it get in the way of a hood story. In a way, I prefer the ‘canon’ vs ‘legends’ approach, since aspects of previous works can be referenced without needing to treat the entirety of each existing work as necessary. It also puts my beloved Han Solo trilogy (the real one by Brian Daly) in the same status as the Thrawn trilogy and silly stuff like the Droids cartoon and the Holiday special. It’s fine.
Interpretation argument is oftenly misused but that doesn't mean it's wrong at all. It's because there are many contexts to use this argument in like outside the universe (as you spoke about author's interpretation) and inside of it (when discussing things inside this universe)
Such understanding of the Will of the Force poses DEFINITIVE questions (by the way, what are your sources on this topic?). First. What's the point of dividing it on Light and Dark Sides, if the Force it's natural will is Light Side? Doesn't it make a term Light (and Dark respectively) trivial and thus, useless? In that case, the dychotomy stands between the Force-Compliants and the Force-Benders. It's because otherwise, if the Force wants something, it means it wants as a WHOLE, thus meaning, Dark Force doesn't want to rule. Second. Is the Force never on the bad guys' side willingly or not? One has to answer this question in order to get, how good this concept really is.
have to downright disagree about anakin not being a larry stu its implied by the original release in the scenes that anakin blowing up a single pylon casued the explosion on the trade federation ship. He despite this is more enjoyable to watch change over the course of the prequels than Rey is, The phantom menace is definitely the weakest of the three movies
I Will argue why Rey Skywalker aint a mary sue Ok so in the Force Awakens she's a literal scavenger strughling to eat that's far from a marysue, her flying the falcon makes scense because she scavaged star destroyers which are from a similar era and the kylo ren fight makes scense because Rey is the chosen one of corse she'd be able to use the force due to her 10k plus presumed midiclorian count. The Last Jedi ohhh boy so to start off Luke refuses to teach Rey if Rey was a marysue luke would have done it straight away, her fight with luke makes scense because luke cut himself off from the force, and in the climax REY'S LITERALLY IMMEDIATELY CAPTURED By The First Order Would An Actual Marysue such as anakin im Revenge of the sith I DONT MEAN ANAKIN'S A MARYSUE Just him almost immediately escaping the separtist was kinda a marysuish moment and on crait if rey was a marysue the resistance wouldn't have lost. Riase Of Skywalker She got trsining by Leia so she would know more about the force and would have more lightsaber combat, Her Killing The Emperor ANAKIN WHO IS NOT THE CHOSEN ONE MANAGED TO, So Why Not Rey. And the whole Beliving in the force thing J.J Abrams can do whatever he wants it's his film like how lucas put changes in the OT for example Jar Jar in return of the jedi
Oh boy where do I begin? First of all, she wasn't struggling to get food. Second, just scavenging for parts of a star destroyer will not help you at all with flying it, let alone the Falcon which is completely different. The era doesn't matter, the Falcon is a one-man ship while a star destroyer requires an entire crew. Third, Rey is NEVER said to be the Chosen One and we are never told her midichlorian count. And even if she did she would still need A LOT of training to be able to do any of the things she did even if she had every midichlorian in the galaxy. Also, Luke rejected her at first but it took little to no effort to convince him to do it. When does Anakin immediately escape the separatists? The resistance didn't lose, they won because Rey is Mary Sue and kills Palpatine with no help. And Leia may have training her but that was way after she did things she shouldn't have. And training for a few months doesn't cut it, it takes YEARS to become a Jedi. And Anakin is 100% the Chosen one NOT Rey. And it may be JJ's movie but it is not his franchise and it's not Disney's either. Owning the legal rights does NOT make it yours. George Lucas creating the story and the franchise so it is his. That doesn't mean no one can make star wars content, they just have to be consistent with what George created. Also, WTF ARE YOU ON?! Jar Jar was never in RotJ. To sum it up, everything you just said is wrong.
@@windshieldflipers9294 1 she was, in the force Awakens she had to get incredible mounths of credits for food, 2 Yes The Falcon And Star Destroyers Are Different But Their Still Simlar And The Falcons Not A 1 Man Ship 3 True We Dont Know Her Midiclorian Count, But The Chosen One Is Whoever Destroys The Sith Rey Did That By Killing Palpatine, and the midiclorian count would probably be around anakin if she is the chosen one 4 Yes Rey Needs Training That's The Point Of The Last Jedi For Luke To Train Her 5 yea luke did give in after a moment but for context luke thought about it for a good few hours and it's so he could say his way of thinking 6 in revenge of the sith during Palpatine's rescue they were captured and immediately escaped after a scene 7 i was refearing to the Last Jedi not the rise of Skywalker 8 rey had help from ben solo and the force ghosts of the jedi, a few months can look at luke in the 6 months between empire and return of the jedi he managed to defeat vader without formal training 9 uhh NO, ANAKIN DIDN'T KILL PALPATINE, Well He Did But He Was Revived, Rey Finally Put The Sith Lord Down 10 IT'S ABSOLUTELY DISNEY'S FRANCHISE WTH ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT Why Cant They Do What They Want With A Franchise THEY PAID 4 BLILION FOR 11 Look Up The Special Edition ending to return of the jedi you hear jar jar voice So everything you just said is wrong Oh and for good measure Rey's A Skywalker, it's cannon, not debatable
@@2ndofficercharleslightolle878 1. Even if she was struggling, it wouldn't be very much since she's clearly perfectly healthy and not dead. And that supposed slight struggle is short lived, as she leaves the planet the same day she's introduced 2. When are we told that star destroyers and the falcon are similar? They are completely different. And the falcon IS a one man ship since Rey was able to fly it by herself. And once again, knowing what parts of a ship are worth, does not equate to knowing how to fly one 3. Anakin is said to be the chosen one AND he was the one who destroyed the sith. Yes, the sith come back, but the prophecy never said that they would be gone for good. And Anakin needed training to get to as powerful as he did. 4. How did Rey use mind tricks and defeat a highly trained Kylo Ren BEFORE getting trained by Luke? 5. A few hours of convincing isn't a lot in the grand scheme of things 6. They didn't escape immediately, they were taken to Grievous and had to fight they're way out. Also, Anakin had the help of Obi Wan and R2. 7. They only lost in TLJ because Mary Sue wasn't there to save them until the end 8. If force ghosts can do all the crazy shit they did, why didn't they do it to help Luke in ROTJ? Also, Luke had more training than Rey and was still struggling against Vader. And Vader was holding back because he wanted to turn Luke to the dark side not kill him. Also Luke only defeats Vader cause he taps into the dark side and uses his anger. He also needed Vader to save him from Sidious. 9. Anakin defeated the sith, but of course they didn't stay gone, that doesn't mean that he's not the chosen one. 10. Disney owns the rights to the franchise. That doesn't mean they can change everything that George Lucas created. They bought the franchise from him and then immediately stabbed him in the back and milked it to death. They need to follow the rules of the universe that were established long before they got their shitty hands on it. 11. I have rewatched ROTJ and Jar Jar is most definitely not in it at all. And even if he was that doesn't break continuity or contradict anything. Unlike having Rey do a bunch of shit she shouldn't have been able to do, or changing the rules of the force or hyperspace. Take another month to think of new arguments for me to completely debunk.
Rey isn’t a Mary Sue lol. She fails, has flaws - complex and well developed flaws BTW, and struggles immensely. Also, it’s clear from this awful 27 minute video that you haven’t got a clue how the force works. The force is a soft magic system, not anything close to what you pretend it is. Take your L.
She beat Kylo Ren in their first battle. When it came to Luke fighting Vader at Bespin, HE LOST. "It's magic" is really code for "Don't Think, Just Consume." Now I'm someone who accepts the Disney canon's explanation, but most normies never read those books, so do they count? Lucasfilm prioritizes the casual fans over all other customers, so I don't count it.
@@saberiandream316 She beat Kylo in their first battle, yes. That doesn’t mean anything. Kylo was injured and lost pints of blood. Finn, someone who lost to a stormtrooper in a melee fight, was able to fight better against Kylo. This means Kylo was easier to fight than a First Order stormtrooper in that duel. Luke “lost” in TESB sure. Rey lost in TROS and TLJ. My guy, anyone who unironically says “dOnT tHiNk jUst cOnsuMe” cannot be taken seriously. The Force is magic. Lucas himself has said this. There are no hard magic rules to the Force like there are in other things. I honestly haven’t a clue what your point is in the rest of what you’re saying.
@@ReySkywalker2 except there was an establishment of rules the force had. By Lucas. This was literally in the beginning of the video. And it’s indisputable
@@kingorange7739 There was never, ever any hard rules for the force. Lucas never made any rules, explicitly nor implicitly. Every film added a new force ability and no “training” or amount of learning was ever needed to learn any of them. The video at the start doesn’t prove anything lol. This is indisputable.
I always assumed that Force Heal was an actual power, and not just a video game mechanic, but usually works for minor wounds such as non lethal gunshot, blaster, or stab wounds, and some major wounds, like quickly healing a broken bones or beatings outside of combat, like if you survive an engagement and use that power afterwards, or Palpatine partially healing Vader when finding him at Mustafar after the Battle of the Heroes, but that only amounted to keeping him alive long enough to put him in his armor with the life support systems. Or Darth Plagueis using medichlorian manipulation to bring back Darth Venamis from death and killing him several times over before finally letting him die. Vader also in the Expanded universe was able to use Dark Rage in order to temporarily heal his lungs a few times when his Life support systems were damaged in combat, but as soon as he finished killing all enemies around him and the adrenaline in his bloodstream starts thinning out, and he begins feeling happy to breathe without help from his cybernetics, his lungs weaken once again, and then he chokes again without his armor to keep him alive, requiring him to get back to his meditation chambers, like his room on board the Executor. Lightsaber stabs in one's vitals are too much for Force Heal to overcome, which is why Qui Gon still dying from his wound makes sense to me, and why Kylo and Rey instantly healing each other from lethal wounds is stupid as fuck.
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I can understand some criticism of Luke, but I don't know how Anakin is a Mary Sue, I'll just remind you that this is a man who broke ties with those who love him with his actions, he broke his wife's heart and contributed to her death and his brother became for a long time his sworn enemy, and became a crippled slave and faithful dog of literally the Devil
I don’t understand the criticism of Luke
@@godzpeedx7ii75 how about how Luke defeated Vader in the 6/3 movie despite only having less training than him 🙄
@benclark4823 he litteraly didn't tho, Vader was conflicted and wasn't fighting back full strength
Anakin Skywalker: *gets his ass kicked by Count Dooku and spends the Clone Wars learning how to defeat him, puts on leather armor for protection, and grows to be a skilled warrior
Sequel Fans: “that sounds like something a Mary Sue would do”
Luke was born with the same raw force potential as anakin Skywalker, luke Skywalker a faster learned than anakin, vader in the return of the jedi novel said that luke is more than all jedi previous him, but that he need experience to master his skills and abilities @benclark4823
"The Force is a tool, Jaden. Sometimes a weapon, sometimes a salve. Dark Side, Light Side, these are distinctions of insignificant difference. Do not fall into the trap of classification. Sentience curses us with a desire to categorize and draw lines, to fear that after this be dragons. But that is illusion. After this is not dragons but more knowledge, deeper understanding. Be at peace with that." - Kyle Katarn.
So technically no, it wasn't a game mechanic, it was an established philosophy by some Jedi.
I always took that as a line that reflected how one could play the game. Also I’m going to give Jedi Academy more lax because it was in development probably around the start of Attack of the Clones.
That’s the thing, stories released before or during the Prequels are a bit iffy.
@@j.j.plagiarisms7149 ???
Not technically
@@j.j.plagiarisms7149 That quote is actually from the Novel Crosscurrent, where Jaden feared that using his Dark Side abilities caused him to question himself as a Jedi, but he soon learned that Kyle was trying to tell him to transcend preconceived notions regarding the Dark Side, and that it would lead him to deeper knowledge on the Force itself.
@@OfficialRaveBlitz when was it published, because continuity was also lax since 2008
Finally someone who understands how the force works!
He literally doesn't understand how the force works
He understands it better than sequel fans do
@@brianjordan3841sequel fans aren’t worth considering. And really, are there actual sequel fans? The only people who give a shit about the ST are the Fandem Menace and they are super obsessed with it. No one else cares enough to even remember there ever was a ST.
@@russellharrell2747 amen brother amen although anyone who gets paid to shill 4 Kathleen Kennedy n the sequel trilogy partly counts
@@iplaydodgeballexactly. Anakin used the force during podraces, and Luke somehow learned to use telekinesis without Ben ever even mentioning it to him, much less training him in that aspect of the force. Force users always needing training precludes the very first force users being able to discover the force and force powers. It’s painfully obvious that individuals can use force powers unconsciously and without training to at least some degree, perhaps through the Force itself communicating with them on some level. The introduction of Midichloreans gives a mechanism for this communication.
That being said, Ray’s abilities are bordering on unbelievable but are not among the main reasons why the ST sucks.
Can't believe its come to this point of explaining basic things like how the force even works. Disney REALLY screwed things up.
People have been arguing about how the force works before even the PT.
People have been saying “but wouldn’t balance mean an equal amount of Jedi and sith” for eons, long before Disney got involved.
"That's not how The Force works" -Han Fricken Solo
Well said, man. Sequel fanboys can be so biased, especially regarding Rey. Characters like Nomi Sunrider, Bastila Shan, and Satele Shan had years of training, and those characters had to work through it rather than believe in themselves.
"Who the hell are they?" - The Average Sequel Fan
@@j.j.plagiarisms7149 I've met sequel fans who like the older EU books.
Sequel fans are like Snyder fans, they don't fundamentally understand anything.
@Ralsei Acolyte cause he is God I've heard this analogy before but it's like explaining to flat earthers why the world is round, but they don't get it as much as you try to explain.
@@virgogaming6488 Snyder fans understand a lot dude stfu
In the Expanded Universe there are characters who are very powerful even without having been trained for years, like Nomi Sunrider for example. But the difference between Nomi and Rey is this: Nomi hasn’t had much contact with Jedi masters and she hasn't been trained for years, but she learned to use many of her powers on her own, so she’s still had some kind of extended training. It’s self-taught training, but it’s still training, because to learn how to do something yourself you have to try until you manage to do it. So, all those who want to use the Expanded Universe to justify Rey's powers are wrong.
Obi-Wan could use the Jedi mind trick fresh out of the Temple, and not even as Qui-Gon's Padawan.
@@saberiandream316 No he can’t dude stfu
@@saberiandream316 not true
@@saberiandream316 it didn't do that when he was a padwan
Some force sensitives may be strong due to the powerful connection to the force and only use one force ability they can master easily. Like when Anakin was 9. Qui-Gon mentioned he has the ability to see things before they happen. And Luke mastered the ability to communicate with force ghosts. The Sunriders have a powerful force ability called Battle Meditation which makes Nomi very useful for it. Nomi had months of training with Master Thon and in later years trained with Vodo Baas, Arca Jeth, and Odan-Urr.
I swear to god if anyone ever says Luke or Anakin are Mary Sues I’m going to double down and show them this video
@Ralsei Acolyte cause he is God Nah I’m just a guy who’s just doing what needs to be done.
@Ralsei Acolyte cause he is God 👌
your videos are sooooo underrated
JJ is weird. When I was a kid I would ask, "I wonder if I would be lucky enough to be a force sensitive person in Star Wars," but then realized it didn't matter because I could live that fantasy through the video games or playing with toys and shit. I didn't need Chewbaca or something to reach down deep and use the force when he needed it. LOL
5:47 hilarious Anakin never had reverence for the force until he became vader.
If they would have just explained that Rey was drawing off of Ben's connection of the Force through their bond all would have been fixed but the fans like me are better at coming up with writing and ideas nowadays I guess lol. Forcewave is sadly one of those people that believes that since George sold it that he doesn't get to decide canon anymore. The mocking of JJ Abrams was gold in this lol.
They'll say "Force Healing was a Lost Art".
Your concept of force healing is wrong by the way. In the EU, it only accelerated the natural healing process. If it had worked the way it was supposed to as opposed to how Disney wanted it portrayed, Rey wouldn't have been able to heal Kylo at all.
...Which means that the Disney version, which as of the time of writing this is the canon version because the Magic Empire says so, is the unnatural Dark Side version.
how can you STILL not even have 1 K subs - you shoulda have 100 K
Thank you.
@@j.j.plagiarisms7149 one of my favourite youtubers cheers from Germany
@@rakor8914 Danke
Someday he'll have 10,000 subs! And for that momentous day, JJ should eat a thousand submarine sandwiches on screen! XD
@@saberiandream316years later and it’s just above 5k. Probably because his voice is a bit difficult to listen to after a while.
finally someone who understands the force.
To correct you on one point, Rey does have some piloting experience as she stated that she has flown before but not offworld.
When?
@@j.j.plagiarisms7149 when on the Falcon, Finn asked if Rey had flown before and that's what she answered. It obviously wasn't the Falcon though since its stated a few minutes earlier that it hadn't flown for years.
@@lord_destros2188 she could have just 'lied' during their run much in same vain Finn lied to Poe on knowing how to shoot with the TIEs weapons.
Not to mention the Millennium Falcon is a ship that requires 2 pilots to fly effectively.
Her flying the Falcon like an X-Wing is impossible if I compare it properly to the controls of the P-40 fighter to those of the B-17 Bomber. You had to have super strength to keep the B-17 up in the air for a long time as a single person. Which is why during bailing, the pilots are the last ones to leave.
And to go further, never in heated moments is the copilot away from the pilot in any of the Original Trilogy films.
And before you bring up the TIE attack in ANH, you don't want your pilots performing fancy maneuvers. I came across information that a Wellington Bomber gunner couldn't keep his head up experiencing less than 3Gs, and this is a bomber.
@@strategicperson95 I never brought up the Falcon except for describing the scene, I already have issue with her flying it by herself. And there's no evidence that proves Rey lied about her apparent ability to fly ships, JJ probably thought that all ships in sw can be flown regardless of how they're made.
@@lord_destros2188 Doubt it
If I remember correctly, the Dark Side and the Force (Light Side) are somewhat like a Yin-Yang, but the Sith are what causes the Force to become unbalanced with their reckless use of the Dark Side and their lust for greater power and control. That's why you can have 10,000 Jedi no problem, but even 2 Sith are too much because they're all scheming assholes bent on galactic domination.
The Jedi aren't saints either, y'know
@@jeremyallen492 That’s false
Thank you! Was looking for this interpretation argument.
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20:43 THANK YOU!
13:09 actually, no, Force Heal is a Light Side power, even in Star Wars Legends. Dark Side versions of it are called Force Drain. Granted, great fucking video so far. Especially since Force Heal in Legends has the user go through a lot of training, Meditation.
Initial levels of Force Heal required meditation, but greater aptitude usually granted faster regeneration, without need of meditation. Greater levels of attainment were also able to mend far more severe injuries, even major damage to flesh and bone and even going as far as to mend internal damage, such as damage to the heart, lungs, and so forth; even to the point of sustaining functions of lost organs and on rare occasions resurrecting dead tissue or even people, though that was possible if the Brain was still active. (Real world science, you aren't considered dead until your brain stops being active.*
A variation of this power was Force Purification, as well as Force Assist which was a Force technique that enabled the user to heal people other than themselves, and with enough concentration, the user was able to heal others' bodies and minds, simultaneously.
Even in the Arthurian Legends, King Arthur didn't start as the perfect warrior, he had to train and be tested in battle and in politics to unite Britain. He was also not the greatest warrior in his court in Camelot, nor did he always win.
This why I love the old pre Disney pre Dave filoni EU, the living force the physical plane, the cosmic force the spiritual realm all were well explained, the force wasn't so watered down and nerfed, the force wasn't just a plot device, even the weakest jedi and sith could pull up some incredible feats of they study the force enough meditate enough, get amped by a very powerful force place called "force nexus" it could be light side force nexus or dark side nexus, sometimes the force will would enchance a force user if he or her need to also jedi and sith could grow more powerful stronger skilled and knowledged by training sparring, meditating, going through war, studying the force by jedi/sith holocroms scrolls, tomes, or even absorbing a powerful force nexus to regain his or her connection to the force, like kyler katarn did after theu dark force series, force users all had different abilities in the force some were born with it some learned it, but not every force users had the same force abilities like in Disney star wars they all use the force in the same way to do the same
I always hate it when people think that because of obi wans dialogue in episode 4 it means everyone can use the force because it clearly never was the case. If anyone could use the force based on believe there's literally 0 reason why luke was perceived to be their only hope and why leia was perceived as the other. They could literaly have grabbed a random kid, make him belueve and train him up. There's noreaaon why it had to be Luke to kill vader...it would even be stupid considering they're father and son as obi wan believed vader had to be defeated and that there was no good left in him.
I feel like force diads or whatever the fuck it is(force bonds?), would be a cool concept if used correctly. For instance (I’m taking an idea was real life and from Jujutsu Kaisen), identical twins(or just normal twins) should have force bonds. This is because due to their genetic info being identical the will of the force treats them as one. (Now create some more implications for that idea, im too tired to do that since it’s 3am and I’m fucked up on pain meds after surgery)
So basically what The Acolyte should have been.
If the Jedi aren't Supposed to Have Emotions, Then I Shouldn't be a Star Wars Fan in the 1st Place 😅
I would also like to add that Luke was coached by the voice of Obi Wan Kenobi during the Death Star trench run n Luke didn’t have a blaster on him while he was hanging nor did he have any other means of getting himself free from the ice so yeah what r his opinions try to use the force to get his lightsaber or hang there until the Wompa decided to eat him let me think what’s a better idea hmm… yeah I think I think I would’ve tried to use the force too
This channel is Toxic and I love it
This channel isn’t toxic stfu
"Man-babies" for life!
@@saberiandream316 My taste buds can handle a little bit of toxicity every once in a while
@Ralsei Acolyte cause he is God I agree
Toxicity isn't cool, man. Isn't it wonderful to discuss things in a calm and reasonable manner, we should attract others as a fandom and not scare them away
2:07 Then what did disney buy then? What's the point of buying Star Wars if you're not houng to respect it's core pillars.
luke just believed and blew up the death star
You are based my friend
Brilliant
George Lucas created Star Wars his word for it is law Disney!
Isn’t force heal a light side ability in the games?
The games are looser with canon when it comes to Gameplay and should not always be taken litterally.
The Exile never recovered their powers because they felt and used the Force by forming bonds. It was indirect. Kreia says it right after escaping Peragus. So, the Exile is cut off from the Force until the end of KOTOR 2 and beyond
Well it’s because Disney didn’t understand George Lucas’s Star Wars or haven’t watch the original trilogy or the prequel trilogy of Star Wars because they even don’t care about Star Wars or don’t even know what the force was plus I think it was a big mistake for giving Star Wars to Disney im not saying a hate comment but just my opinion
George being so naive as to never consider that Disney would do whatever it wanted to Star Wars is certainly a falsehood. He knew full well that selling Lucasfilm meant another company would control each property, including Star Wars, and that those franchises would not be static.
The original works still exist, and fans can pick and choose whatever they enjoy. But the legal authority to define canon is with the owners of the IP: Disney.
I’ve felt that canon arguments have always been useless BS, even during the 90s and 2000s when Lucas implemented his multi tier canon list. All that meant to me is that future works simultaneously were freed but also restricted by previous works. Continuity is fine, but don’t let it get in the way of a hood story. In a way, I prefer the ‘canon’ vs ‘legends’ approach, since aspects of previous works can be referenced without needing to treat the entirety of each existing work as necessary. It also puts my beloved Han Solo trilogy (the real one by Brian Daly) in the same status as the Thrawn trilogy and silly stuff like the Droids cartoon and the Holiday special. It’s fine.
13:00 force heal existed in the EU.
Interpretation argument is oftenly misused but that doesn't mean it's wrong at all. It's because there are many contexts to use this argument in like outside the universe (as you spoke about author's interpretation) and inside of it (when discussing things inside this universe)
Such understanding of the Will of the Force poses DEFINITIVE questions (by the way, what are your sources on this topic?).
First. What's the point of dividing it on Light and Dark Sides, if the Force it's natural will is Light Side? Doesn't it make a term Light (and Dark respectively) trivial and thus, useless? In that case, the dychotomy stands between the Force-Compliants and the Force-Benders. It's because otherwise, if the Force wants something, it means it wants as a WHOLE, thus meaning, Dark Force doesn't want to rule.
Second. Is the Force never on the bad guys' side willingly or not? One has to answer this question in order to get, how good this concept really is.
Something tells me you didn't watch the video.
@@BrandontheAwesome something tells me you are not into abstract thinking...
@@mbiwe3ep_on_futanari617 Something tells me you're an idiot.
This is what the original nightsisters in the EU went over. The Nightsisters didn’t see the force are the dark side or light.
have to downright disagree about anakin not being a larry stu its implied by the original release in the scenes that anakin blowing up a single pylon casued the explosion on the trade federation ship.
He despite this is more enjoyable to watch change over the course of the prequels than Rey is, The phantom menace is definitely the weakest of the three movies
I Will argue why Rey Skywalker aint a mary sue
Ok so in the Force Awakens she's a literal scavenger strughling to eat that's far from a marysue, her flying the falcon makes scense because she scavaged star destroyers which are from a similar era and the kylo ren fight makes scense because Rey is the chosen one of corse she'd be able to use the force due to her 10k plus presumed midiclorian count.
The Last Jedi ohhh boy so to start off Luke refuses to teach Rey if Rey was a marysue luke would have done it straight away, her fight with luke makes scense because luke cut himself off from the force, and in the climax REY'S LITERALLY IMMEDIATELY CAPTURED By The First Order Would An Actual Marysue such as anakin im Revenge of the sith I DONT MEAN ANAKIN'S A MARYSUE Just him almost immediately escaping the separtist was kinda a marysuish moment and on crait if rey was a marysue the resistance wouldn't have lost.
Riase Of Skywalker She got trsining by Leia so she would know more about the force and would have more lightsaber combat, Her Killing The Emperor ANAKIN WHO IS NOT THE CHOSEN ONE MANAGED TO, So Why Not Rey.
And the whole Beliving in the force thing J.J Abrams can do whatever he wants it's his film like how lucas put changes in the OT for example Jar Jar in return of the jedi
All of that is false. She IS a Mary Sue and there is already prove that debunked your entire points already
@@vincegreen973 and what's that since she's far from a mary sue
Oh boy where do I begin? First of all, she wasn't struggling to get food. Second, just scavenging for parts of a star destroyer will not help you at all with flying it, let alone the Falcon which is completely different. The era doesn't matter, the Falcon is a one-man ship while a star destroyer requires an entire crew. Third, Rey is NEVER said to be the Chosen One and we are never told her midichlorian count. And even if she did she would still need A LOT of training to be able to do any of the things she did even if she had every midichlorian in the galaxy. Also, Luke rejected her at first but it took little to no effort to convince him to do it. When does Anakin immediately escape the separatists? The resistance didn't lose, they won because Rey is Mary Sue and kills Palpatine with no help. And Leia may have training her but that was way after she did things she shouldn't have. And training for a few months doesn't cut it, it takes YEARS to become a Jedi. And Anakin is 100% the Chosen one NOT Rey. And it may be JJ's movie but it is not his franchise and it's not Disney's either. Owning the legal rights does NOT make it yours. George Lucas creating the story and the franchise so it is his. That doesn't mean no one can make star wars content, they just have to be consistent with what George created. Also, WTF ARE YOU ON?! Jar Jar was never in RotJ. To sum it up, everything you just said is wrong.
@@windshieldflipers9294 1 she was, in the force Awakens she had to get incredible mounths of credits for food,
2 Yes The Falcon And Star Destroyers Are Different But Their Still Simlar And The Falcons Not A 1 Man Ship
3 True We Dont Know Her Midiclorian Count, But The Chosen One Is Whoever Destroys The Sith Rey Did That By Killing Palpatine, and the midiclorian count would probably be around anakin if she is the chosen one
4 Yes Rey Needs Training That's The Point Of The Last Jedi For Luke To Train Her
5 yea luke did give in after a moment but for context luke thought about it for a good few hours and it's so he could say his way of thinking
6 in revenge of the sith during Palpatine's rescue they were captured and immediately escaped after a scene
7 i was refearing to the Last Jedi not the rise of Skywalker
8 rey had help from ben solo and the force ghosts of the jedi, a few months can look at luke in the 6 months between empire and return of the jedi he managed to defeat vader without formal training
9 uhh NO, ANAKIN DIDN'T KILL PALPATINE, Well He Did But He Was Revived, Rey Finally Put The Sith Lord Down
10 IT'S ABSOLUTELY DISNEY'S FRANCHISE WTH ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT Why Cant They Do What They Want With A Franchise THEY PAID 4 BLILION FOR
11 Look Up The Special Edition ending to return of the jedi you hear jar jar voice
So everything you just said is wrong
Oh and for good measure Rey's A Skywalker, it's cannon, not debatable
@@2ndofficercharleslightolle878 1. Even if she was struggling, it wouldn't be very much since she's clearly perfectly healthy and not dead. And that supposed slight struggle is short lived, as she leaves the planet the same day she's introduced
2. When are we told that star destroyers and the falcon are similar? They are completely different. And the falcon IS a one man ship since Rey was able to fly it by herself. And once again, knowing what parts of a ship are worth, does not equate to knowing how to fly one
3. Anakin is said to be the chosen one AND he was the one who destroyed the sith. Yes, the sith come back, but the prophecy never said that they would be gone for good. And Anakin needed training to get to as powerful as he did.
4. How did Rey use mind tricks and defeat a highly trained Kylo Ren BEFORE getting trained by Luke?
5. A few hours of convincing isn't a lot in the grand scheme of things
6. They didn't escape immediately, they were taken to Grievous and had to fight they're way out. Also, Anakin had the help of Obi Wan and R2.
7. They only lost in TLJ because Mary Sue wasn't there to save them until the end
8. If force ghosts can do all the crazy shit they did, why didn't they do it to help Luke in ROTJ? Also, Luke had more training than Rey and was still struggling against Vader. And Vader was holding back because he wanted to turn Luke to the dark side not kill him. Also Luke only defeats Vader cause he taps into the dark side and uses his anger. He also needed Vader to save him from Sidious.
9. Anakin defeated the sith, but of course they didn't stay gone, that doesn't mean that he's not the chosen one.
10. Disney owns the rights to the franchise. That doesn't mean they can change everything that George Lucas created. They bought the franchise from him and then immediately stabbed him in the back and milked it to death. They need to follow the rules of the universe that were established long before they got their shitty hands on it.
11. I have rewatched ROTJ and Jar Jar is most definitely not in it at all. And even if he was that doesn't break continuity or contradict anything. Unlike having Rey do a bunch of shit she shouldn't have been able to do, or changing the rules of the force or hyperspace.
Take another month to think of new arguments for me to completely debunk.
Rey isn’t a Mary Sue lol. She fails, has flaws - complex and well developed flaws BTW, and struggles immensely.
Also, it’s clear from this awful 27 minute video that you haven’t got a clue how the force works. The force is a soft magic system, not anything close to what you pretend it is. Take your L.
She beat Kylo Ren in their first battle. When it came to Luke fighting Vader at Bespin, HE LOST. "It's magic" is really code for "Don't Think, Just Consume." Now I'm someone who accepts the Disney canon's explanation, but most normies never read those books, so do they count? Lucasfilm prioritizes the casual fans over all other customers, so I don't count it.
@@saberiandream316 She beat Kylo in their first battle, yes. That doesn’t mean anything. Kylo was injured and lost pints of blood. Finn, someone who lost to a stormtrooper in a melee fight, was able to fight better against Kylo. This means Kylo was easier to fight than a First Order stormtrooper in that duel.
Luke “lost” in TESB sure. Rey lost in TROS and TLJ.
My guy, anyone who unironically says “dOnT tHiNk jUst cOnsuMe” cannot be taken seriously. The Force is magic. Lucas himself has said this. There are no hard magic rules to the Force like there are in other things.
I honestly haven’t a clue what your point is in the rest of what you’re saying.
@@ReySkywalker2 except there was an establishment of rules the force had. By Lucas. This was literally in the beginning of the video. And it’s indisputable
@@ReySkywalker2 Can you provide a source for the George quote? Because context matters. Something JJ Plagiarisms has done. Can you?
@@kingorange7739 There was never, ever any hard rules for the force. Lucas never made any rules, explicitly nor implicitly. Every film added a new force ability and no “training” or amount of learning was ever needed to learn any of them. The video at the start doesn’t prove anything lol. This is indisputable.
I always assumed that Force Heal was an actual power, and not just a video game mechanic, but usually works for minor wounds such as non lethal gunshot, blaster, or stab wounds, and some major wounds, like quickly healing a broken bones or beatings outside of combat, like if you survive an engagement and use that power afterwards, or Palpatine partially healing Vader when finding him at Mustafar after the Battle of the Heroes, but that only amounted to keeping him alive long enough to put him in his armor with the life support systems. Or Darth Plagueis using medichlorian manipulation to bring back Darth Venamis from death and killing him several times over before finally letting him die. Vader also in the Expanded universe was able to use Dark Rage in order to temporarily heal his lungs a few times when his Life support systems were damaged in combat, but as soon as he finished killing all enemies around him and the adrenaline in his bloodstream starts thinning out, and he begins feeling happy to breathe without help from his cybernetics, his lungs weaken once again, and then he chokes again without his armor to keep him alive, requiring him to get back to his meditation chambers, like his room on board the Executor. Lightsaber stabs in one's vitals are too much for Force Heal to overcome, which is why Qui Gon still dying from his wound makes sense to me, and why Kylo and Rey instantly healing each other from lethal wounds is stupid as fuck.