10 More Things You Asked Us To Try [One-Amp Wet-Dry, Flatwound, Staple P90 & More] - That Pedal Show
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- Опубліковано 13 тра 2024
- You ask, we answer: let’s talk about a Maxon SD-9, Flatwounds on the Jazzmaster, the Strat middle pickup, a Mesa Boogie Mark I lead tone and plenty more…
Life too short for long UA-cam videos? Please see the ‘Interesting bits and go-to sections’ information below.
Welcome to the show. A few months back, Dan and I did a show called ’10 Things You Asked Us To Try’. These things comprise a wide range of suggestions from the TPS audience/family that maybe don’t stretch out to a whole show in isolation, but bunched together make for an interesting voyage of tonal for discovery for me and he. Er, so let’s do it again! The things are listed below in the interesting bits and go-to sections text.
Keep ’em comin’ y’all, and please enjoy the episode!
Pedals & stuff in this episode…
• TheGigRig Three2One
www.thegigrig.com/three2one
• Chase Bliss Audio Automatone Preamp MkII
www.chasebliss.eu/preamp-mkii
• Analog Man Prince Of Tone
www.buyanalogman.com/Analog_M...
• Source Audio Spectrum Intelligent Filter
UK & Europe: bit.ly/30Br91f
Australia: bit.ly/2G8NDgs
USA: bit.ly/3CTpjdp
• Analog Man Maxon SD-9
www.buyanalogman.com/Maxon_SD...
• Boss CE-2w Waza Craft Chorus
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2fkq9tv
Australia: bit.ly/2iqp2rs
USA: bit.ly/30YiTN0
• Catalinbread Topanga
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2mj3leK
Australia: bit.ly/2qVOTyJ
USA: bit.ly/3r9JUYL
• Providence Chrono Delay
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2RMtpjU
• TheGigRig G2
www.thegigrig.com/g2
Mick’s Vlog Board
• DanDrive Secret Machine
Contact Dan directly via Instagram
• Catalinbread Belle Epoch Deluxe
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2RVldeS
USA: bit.ly/308PeAy
Australia: bit.ly/2Ovelqa
• Mythos Argo
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2UT0EVw
USA: bit.ly/3rNY81N
Australia: bit.ly/3qt3Y4s
• Keeley D&M Drive
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2oTblU1
USA: bit.ly/3E2Eqmw
Australia: bit.ly/2pUDUAE
• Supro Tremolo
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2pZrAkZ
USA: imp.i114863.net/r6WQ3
Australia: bit.ly/2K36f3B
• Jam Pedals Ripply Fall
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2PoxKu0
Australia: bit.ly/38Nz0gk
USA: bit.ly/3CW5xOG
• Kingsley Maiden D
kingsleyamplifiers.com/product...
• Kingsley Constable
kingsleyamplifiers.com/product...
• Kingsley Page DS
kingsleyamplifiers.com/product...
• Free The Tone FT-2Y Flight Time
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2uCOem6
• The GigRig QuarterMaster QMX4
UK & Europe: bit.ly/339EG1C
Australia: bit.ly/31fprll
shop.thegigrig.com/quartermas...
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Interesting bits and go-to sections…
- Intro playing: 00:00
- What are we doing today? 02:13
- 1. Mick, Play The Middle Pickup On The Strat: 02:55
- 2. Play Wet-Dry With One Amp Only: 07:45
- 3. Try The Automatone As A Proper Preamp: 14:08
- 4. Try A Staple P90 In The PRS McCarty: 20:30
- 5. Explain A II-V Change: 26:32
- 6. Try Flatwound Strings On Your Jazzmaster: 34:00
- 7. How Do You Make A Chorus Not Sound Cheesy?: 42:22
- 8. Play A Maxon SD-9: 47:20
- 9. Can You Get The Mayer IDLMWLY Tone?: 54:28
- 10. What About The Boogie MkI Lead Tone?: 1:03:54
Guitars in this episode:
• Fender American Vintage ’62 Stratocaster - Mick’s video at bit.ly/2cQv3yT
• 1965 Fender Telecaster - no video yet
• PRS McCarty Soapbar - Mick’s video at bit.ly/30fmsdN
• Fender Classic Series Jazzmaster Lacquer - no video yet
• Gibson Custom 1958 Les Paul Standard - Dan’s video at bit.ly/2dbwbvS
• Gibson Memphis 1958 ES-335 - Mick’s video at bit.ly/2mpJA8X
• Gibson Custom True Historic ’57 Les Paul Goldtop, Murphy Aged
Amps in this episode
• Marshall 1987x with 1960AX cab / Celestion G12M Greenback speakers
UK & Europe: bit.ly/31eVWmc
USA That Pedal Shop: bit.ly/3v3Xazc
• Mesa Boogie Mark I Reissue
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I’d like to see a Firebird one day.
Mick: Play quietly.
Dan: Hits 114 on the db meter.
Welcome to TPS!
@@ThatPedalShow fine with me!!!🤣
maybe? he said: play nicely or be quiet...anyways both occured....rarely thou one would say to a kid: play as loud as you can!!!😆
This show is like a much needed 1 hour brain vacation from this world🙏
Thanks kinda how we see it. :0)
Seriously Dan and Mick thank u guys. I come for the pedals and great sound. I stay for the "tangents" and the utterly stupid dialog that only 2 real friends can ever get to. U guys are the best
I wrote Chase Bliss saying I couldn't find the Tomatone on their website. They say they hate you 😂
Hahahaha!!!!
@@ThatPedalShow they should do a gold version, then it really would be the Au-Tomatone. Every bod happy.
Gerry James Edwards Clever! I like
Top bloke!
In two years they'll release a special edition for 25% more in tomato red.
I nominate "you should try playing left-handed" for the next one
YES!
Suggestion: Pedals with a 12 string guitar
That is far and away the best explanation of chord construction within a key that I've ever seen. THANK YOU. I am so practicing this for the next 3 months.
Amaze balls!
Two conclusions:
1) A whole jazz album from Dan is needed
2) The Les Paul through the Boogie is absofuckinglutely GLORIOUS
Defintely revisit flatwounds on the Jazzmaster. Try it with fuzz and spring reverb. Flatwounds reduce string squeaks, and not being able to bend them as far as nickel wound forces you to play differently. I have a semi-hollow set up with flatwounds constantly.
Always good to have different flavours when writing/recording.
FLATWOUNDS: I found these to be a revelation; and use them on my (humbucker equipped) ES-330. Wonderful 50s tone, and love the feel. Flats are actually quite a more labour intensive string to make; not easy to automate like a roundwound, by the way the flat wire needs to lay down on the core, so typically more expensive because of the hand-work involved. Bonus though is that since they're flat, they last ages as gunk and grime can't really get in between the windings. Mick - recommend giving them a go on the ES-335.
I’m a new flat wound player. 13’s in C standard. Goodness goodness me.
Trying to find the way to sit well on the mix in a band. Bass needs to play higher octaves.
Great show again. With chorus pedals and their potential to sound cheesy, I've found this can vary greatly upon where you place chorus in your signal chain. Back in 1987 I discovered I could eliminate chorus cheese entirely, by placing my chorus pedal in a cupboard in my spare room when I went to gigs. Worked wonders! I assume it's still there, along with my zebra skin spandex, pink Converse and kamikaze headband.
New hero. Zebra skin spandex.
We LOVE you.
The love is mutual.
Funny, especially since Mick wears pink converse on the show sometimes! :D
I LIVE on the middle strat pickup. I use the other positions but middle is home for me! Rock on, dudes!
I've always used the middle for anything that should be a humbucker.
I believe it was Eric Stewart (10CC) who prefered the middle position on most of his guitars, especially on his strats and teles.
It’s my solo sound mainly. Brighter than the neck but not ice picky like the bridge
I think it's the Buddy Holly sound. I know when Richard Thompson appeared on 'Whistle Test' to demonstrate a few tones on his 50s Strat he used the middle pickup to replicate 'That'll Be The Day'. I find it's a great rhythm sound in a threee-piece band, especially when I've got a rails type pickup in the bridge position for the heavier solo tones.
I love it for slide, not to bassy, not too bitey. Just right. Bonnie Raitt uses the middle pickup for her slide work. I find Gilmour tones there, as well. It's just another part of the palette of strat tones .
I really think you guys would have fun with a Fender Bass VI (or equivalent) and find as much inspiration from it as I do.
- Thank you for your consideration.
Incoming Don't Worry solo!
Mark Speer from Khruangbin uses flatwounds and hes just incredible in blues jazz reggae funk fusion
The Michael Landau setting was SICK!!!
Dan, thanks for the clarification on 2,5,1. Clear as mud from here!
Some great face-pulling action from Dan in this episode.
There's nothing wrong with that -cheesy- AWESOME chorus sound. :)
I use stainless half wounds, 12-54 on my Jazzmaster. Simultaneously taming highs, string noise, and prevents the strings jumping off the saddles.
Clapton uses the middle pickup all the time!
Can’t miss TPS Friday even when I’m on vacation (I mean holiday) 😀
I run a "dry-wet-dry" on my floors at home - hoover-mop-hoover. Place comes up a treat!
TacoTacoTacoTaco 😂 no signal chain explanation required there then...
That II-V change explanation was PERFECT with the examples. Thank you. New skill to master unlocked.
Thanks for playing Carlos, Dan!
Some ideas for the next one:
- Would love to see you guys play some "non-traditional material" guitars, i.e. metal neck or bodied guitars, Steinbergers, that sort of thing. How different is it to play one of these vs. one of the classics?
- Trying to make maligned effects sound good. I feel like you guys have tackled this before perhaps with the Metalzone, but what about stuff like the DoD Grunge or some of the less savory Boss Distortions? Is there a way to make these things work, since presumedly they weren't designed to sound 'bad'?
- Barber effects. Never seen one on the show and would love to. The Direct Drive I had blew away every other "Marshall in a box" type effects I ever had, and if I'm not mistaken their Tone Press was the first compression pedal with a blend control. Show 'em some love?
Keep up the good work, gents. Look forward to the show every week!
Love it - thank you for the suggestions!
dan thinks he's looking for a jazz box, but i think he needs to reclaim the jazzmaster in the name of jazz and get a banging vintage JM with some flatwounds instead... don't forget the rhythm circuit.
Yes this!! I actually play loads of jazz on my jazzmaster.
yap - jazzmaster are just wonderful - also for jazz. but so are teles for sure.
But hey - we all know that some new toys which are different to our other beloved toys are such a huge part of the beauty and joy of it all and always inspire us to explore new ways. I belive Dan would love to add a nice jazzbox to his portfolio. I'd like to recommend a nice GIBSON TAL FARLOW. I have one and love it sooo much. It's slightly less thick than most jazz boxes which makes it sit to the body so nice. It has a regular scale length (like F-type guitar) which I love and it sounds really really sweet. ....and I love that it looks a bit different with it's crazy shaped scratchplate.
Maybe it's just me, but I think that is my recommendation for Dan to check out.
But agreed Jazzmasters are wounderful guitars :) 👍
just a few seconds after posting my commemt the scene swithched to Dan explaining II-V-I at 26:40 with a very nice jazz box in his hands so maybe Dan has found his nice Jazzbox already ??
It looked and sounded very nice btw !!!
@@67er_matze97 nahh that's his washburn, he's talked about it before.
@@67er_matze97 nahh that's his washburn, he's talked about it before.
Dan, i think you blew that guys mind with the jazz run. Including the rest of us
That guy has quit.
My favorite day of the week :) Ya’ll are fantastic!!
Today is my birthday and it is new TPS ! Double win !! Thanks guys. You are the best !
Happy Birthday To You!! 💐☀️
This is going to be a great start of the weekend.
Will you do a review of the new ibanez echo shifter 3 delay pedal at some point? I have the old one which I love, but the new features seems attractive.
Have a great weekend!
Great show for my birthday. That staple p90 sounded ace!
Great theory lesson! You explained that very well, plus the examples helped. Wouldn't mind more of that.
Thank you for the 2-5-1 explanation - It's really got me thinking about how I sometimes box myself into the key I'm in rigidly rather than thinking about the destination chord and how to spice things up in getting there. Time to practice for me now! But really appreciate the information on it as well as all your content so thank you so much!
Did you understand all that flat five diminished whatever stuff? I don't know those shapes. Power chords and pentatonic is where I live.
Dan is amazing. I think I'd need to be a lot younger and then go to school to even begin to grasp that advanced playing style. Totally lost by the time he got to using harmonic minor to make chords.
Probably doesn't help that i can't use my 4th finger anymore. Damn arthritis.
Love this series! Here’s a request if you ever do a part three: Experiment with some alternate tunings. You guys are dynamite players and a constant stream of inspiration in standard, half-step standard, and the occasional drop D, but I’d love to see your brains work a little harder in something outside your usual wheelhouse. Cheers, and thanks for the incredible content!
Nice! Let’s do that. I arse around in DADGAD from time to time. Mick here. :0)
@@ThatPedalShow voting for this idea
LOVE the jazz segment! Good job dan!
I recall reading that Jeff beck was running his delay into his 4 hole Marshall like you guys demonstrated, on his Ronnie Scott’s gig. That was some great tone.
That SD-9 sounded great once you dialed it in. I've found with most older distortion pedals I have to pull the treble way back for a usable sound. I've found the same thing with a DS-1.
Excited about flatwounds on the Jazzmaster. You might want to ask Tom Bukovac why he uses flats in the recording studio.
Thank you both for the knowledge and entertainment you've provided over this past year. I hope you never stop making episodes That pedal show. Happy holidays to you both Dan and Mick and your families and friends.
love the middle pickup!
The middle pickup is actually pretty good for Jerry Garcia tone if you want that
I thought the middle pickup sounded best of all of them, personally (I tend to play neck & middle myself on my H/S/S Peavey).
Another really entertaining episode guys, thanks so much.
Awesome! Cheers 😎
Micks expression @39:55 is comedic genius! Worthy of Laurel and Hardy!😂
"Shit man, that little thing really boogies!" Yes it does, Carlos. Yes it does. Dammit! Why do I watch this show? Now I want a Boogie MKI. 😤
I was really surprised by that amp - sounded great. I don't know much about Boogies, usually think automatically about Dual/Triple rectifier 90s and early aughts high gain sludge. I love the two volume knob thing - reminds me of Peavey's pre & post-gain controls. Gives you a lot of control over gain.
Re flat wounds, see Sandra Sherman's channel. Flatwounds appear to support the reduction of finger noise on the fast chord changes used in some forms of jazz. The opportunity cost is sustain and brightness.
You truly have a knack for teaching. Pedals, wave theory, music theory and more. Love what y'all do!
Thank you Tyler!
love seeing Dan's jazz progress! Using the II-V-I in harmonic minor was a super concise and helpful explanation! Really learned something new in a 5 minute video.
Love the Boogie segment. Same as Mick, my main amp for years was a Boogie Mark III. Too loud, too heavy these days. That Mark I sounded great with your playing.
For Episode 3: play a DOD Rubberneck analog delay without previously practicing with it or reading the instructions...
PLEASE try the matthews effects "the architect v3" overdrive!
Thanks so much, Dan, for the II, V, I lesson. I'm in quarantine in Korea and was looking for something to keep me from going loopy. I only recently found your guys' show and your insights and information have done so much to help straighten out my pedal board. Also, how I approach my guitar tone in general. Having fun copping some of your licks, as well. A thought, maybe comparing series and parallel effects loops in different amps might be helpful to some.
Dan you’ve got a great ability to break things down and teach them. Thanks for the II-V lesson
Strat middle position is THE hidden "funk tone" that nobody seems to use. Slap on some mild compression and turn up the funk!
Yep! Absolutely!
Cool show, as always. Fyi, I'm pretty sure Clapton uses the middle pickup on his Strat most of the time.
Middle pickup Mick is revolutionary.
Makes my friday evenings a joy to see you guys do your thing so thank you. Again another video I will leaving a tab open for so I can cherry pick things I think I also need to try.
Thought I'd let you know I recently bought a Foxy Tone Box Octave Fuzz Pedal from Warm Audio to join my small family of pedals and I know this is a subject you guys have covered extensively but I have never heard a Fuzz pedal like this before. I implore you as tube amp enthusiast to try one if you haven’t already. Thanks again for all that you do.
Yay - TPS time!
You guys need a TPS Tomato version of the Tomato pedal...
Mick, middle sounds rad!
Gents, we should correctly lowercase the ii chord, especially since you are educating folks about theory and terminology. “II-V” sounds *quite* different. 😳😬
I ii iii IV V vi vii°
Great episode!! Did not fully realize what a great player Dan truly is. Really enjoyed his I II IV explanation as well as his jazz chops.
OMG when the D&M Drive kicks on 25:03. Wow.
"I might be pregnant"
Made my day too. 🤣
I was under the impression that flatwounds were the strings of choice for many guitar gods until later in the 1960s or early 70s. But I can't remember where I heard that
40:20 smooth jazz with crazy TPS cool cats. Brilliant!
Love the show, great source of inspiration and helped a lot getting through COVID. Thank you! Would love to see you play a Marshall DSL20 combo or hear your thoughts on it. I’ve never heard it mentioned on the show.
One of my favourite lead tones has always been Santana's Yamaha SG into a Boogie. There is an aggressive and harmonic edge that was lost once he started using Dumble's and PRS guitars. Really difficult to replicate well, but closest I got was with a red knob twin, Mesa V twin into the front and a dark sounding Les Paul. Man that rig sang for leads, but not so good when doing Chic covers. :-)
Santana mach 1 (first 4 albums plus a live one maybe) are killer, I lose interest after that
Richard Swan he did some realy interesting stuff with pop singers after that
I'd like to see the Purple Platypus octadrive by Way Huge on the show. It's the Red Llama with an Octavia, quite a unique pedal I think.
Dan! some of the best ever jazz tones I have heard have been out of a tele neck pickup, tone slightly rolled back. No need for a jazz box, love the one you're with!
Thrilled you followed up on the SD9! I can confirm, sitting in front of Landau is a truly special experience.
Happy Friday guys!
The Orange rocker32 has two return inputs and two speakers for wet/dry and stereo. Works brilliantly 🤘🏻🎸👍🤘🏻🎸👍
Yes!! I got one for myself out of my love for the rocker 30... I still run everything into the front, bc I'm just so used to it, never been an fx loop user.. But maybe D&M could give it a go!
I just use 2 amps
Hugh tube yes indeed the Orange and my old Peavey Delta Blues make an unholy noise together 🤘🏻🎸👍🤘🏻🎸👍🤘🏻🎸👍
I was strat middle pickup for about a decade. Great sound for R&B and church. Glad you guys explored that sound on the show
Wow! Really great show guys!
hi, re the chorus thing. i always come back to blues driver, mxr micro chorus and tc flashback. rothery and gilmour fan. if using a strat, use the 2 and 4 with a slower chorus sound, it doesnt sound cheesy if thats what you want. speed it up for leslie sounds.
Hi guys, on the staple P90, a more useful indicator of the effect of the different construction would be the inductance of the pickup. You need an LCR (inductance-capacitance-resistance) meter to measure it, but it is the interplay of those three factors that dictate the behaviour of any coil, including pickups (Der EE make an affordable hand-held meter, very useful!). This is why PRS talk about tuned capacitance/inductance in their pickups. The winding method, wire gauge and wire insulation will dictate the capacitance, as the size is fixed. The magnet type and arrangement will have the largest effect on the inductance of the coil, which is how efficiently a changing magnetic field induces an electric current in the coil of wire, and vice-versa. The resistance is just an indicator of the amount of wire in the coil, and would be the same for a large diameter coil with a few turns and a small diameter coil with lots of turns, if the gauge is the same, although the coils would behave very differently.
Mk1 Boogie as a home amp, love it!!!
Middle position rips👌🔥
i like making non-cheesy chorus sounds with flanger pedals, not chorus pedals haha
Please can you try.......: A Red Llama with the gain just enough to bite, and then run a few pedals into it, particularly a TS, a Rat and a compressor.
You're a legend Dan .. The 2-5-1 of the chord you are moving to .. How did I miss this??? So simple, but my chord changes are awesome now. Thanks heaps !!
Great episode. Legend has it that part of George Harrison/Byrds 12-string sound is due to them using Flatwounds on their Rickenbackers as Roundwounds (and light gauges for that matter) were not readily available. I've never heard a definitive answer to this however.
Nice. Seems feasible
Here’s a suggestion: do a board with only one company’s pedals on it, covering all the main types of effect
Boss, easy peasy
Brandon Bock I thought it didn’t need saying tbh ;)
Boss, MXR and EHX it’s easy to do with
Only problem with boss is that every pedal would be buffered, only problem with mxr and electro harmonix is that none of them are buffered...
Squish The Squash All boss pedals doesn’t stop Steve Vai, but I get what you’re saying but you could always put a buffer into the chain and because they’re not all pedals it’s a workaround
Those "Chromes" flatwounds are a bit bright. Pyramid and Thomastic offer flatwound strings with pure nickel windings, which I think will sound more mellow and jazzy, if that's what you're going for. They are expensive, but should last a long time.
Used to use Thomastic flats on my Yamaha sg can’t get them locally anymore and can’t afford them
So glad you did the strat middle pickup - it’s a fantastic yet often overlooked sound. Hendrix knew the magic of the middle pickup, and used it a lot live.
Ha! I tend to play pretty much all my clean and semi-clean sounds on the middle pickup. It's by far my most used pickup.
Uh....immediately putting flatwounds on my Jazzmaster
My favourite moment of all these question videos, is Dan tilting his head and giving a big sigh, suffering from trying to sum up a complicated answer into a pithy one or two sentence answer.
(and now, Dan playing flatwounds on the Jazzmaster)
Great Jazz playing Dan
Dan's Tele into the Marshall sounds epic!!.. Great playing Guys 🙂
Re: flatwounds. Get Joe Gore (Tonefiend) on the show. 😃 He’s made really good vids on how he uses flatwounds. Plus, he makes really interesting pedals as well.
If & when Joe is in the UK, this would be awesome.
AuTomatoNe. Gold Tomato Neon.
YES!
I switched to flatwounds on my Tele about a year ago, Dan. I love the Tele with flats, it is my go-to guitar.
I never liked my middle pickup - until I got Lollar's. How to make a chorus not-sound cheesy = Boss DC-2W. ( sounds expensive ) with no seasick pitch warble.
What Lollars did you opt for? Blondes or blackface?
@@rdb9936 Dirty Blonde's (same as Blonde, but has slightly Hotter in the bridge) = Phenomenal. I'm on Cloud-9. Got that SRV "Riviera Paradise Tone"
Nice! I have some Imperials on the way - excited to say the least!
@@rdb9936 got a set of their '52 Tele pups for a partscaster build. Nothing started yet but I'm really excited to play them
can ya guys get some fender wide range humbuckers on the show? wanna see what ya guys think :)
Amazing episode as always guys! I would love to see an episode comparing a stereo rig to a wet/dry rig. Maybe focus on some key positives and negative for each setup.
"So very loud"
Lost it 😂🤣😂
The big problem with the Tomatotone is that you don’t know when the controls are at 2 o’clock. Makes it unusable for me.
Take my heart David, it’s yours! (Mick here, natch. )
I was watching an old video comparing boss chorus pedals yesterday in which Dan said he would definitely do an original Boss CE-1 in to a tape delay on a show at some point... did that ever happen?
I would like to see that.
Just over an hour watching most of the video ... and 3 hours getting my head around the 8 minute II-V-I section! An afternoon well spent :D
Best entertainment on youtube keep on keeping on!
Can't recommend the Jam Pedals Ripply Fall highly enough if you want a non-cheesy chorus. Yeah it can do the 80s thing but has so much more to offer...