The Search For Great Tape Delay Tones Part 1 [Fulltone, Roland, Echo Fix, Hiwatt] - That Pedal Show
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- Опубліковано 7 чер 2024
- Why do tape delay machines sound sooooo good? It’s a question we are delving into over a series of shows. We kick off with our personal favourite REAL TAPE machines. Erm, our only machines, in fact.
Life too short for long UA-cam videos? Please see the ‘Interesting bits and go-to sections’ information below.
COVID-19: This video was filmed long before the social distancing measures were advised by various governments across the world. Rest assured that all of us at That Pedal Show began observing social distancing and stay-at-home measures as soon as they were announced.
Be well y’all!
There’s just something magic about tape echo. Be it an Echoplex, Space Echo, Copicat or what have you, that - literally - magnetic blend of warmth and often idiosyncratic unpredictability is what puts the tear in your eye and the emptiness in your wallet.
Both Dan and I have been on a voyage of tape discovery these past months; smitten by the sounds, maddened by the maintenance and confused at the question of why modern pedal simulations just don’t stand up. Or do they?
So in this first instalment of (probably) three, we indulge in the tape machines themselves. Consider it a context setting siting lap of what’s to come. In Part 2 we will delve a little more deeply into the single-head Echoplex side of things and a bunch of modern pedals, then follow that up in Part 3 with a similar treatment of the multi-head Space Echo approach. No, we haven’t looked at the European-style Wems/Meazzis etc… maybe that’s one for the future. At present we don’t own any.
Off we go then… please enjoy the episode!
Pedals & stuff in this episode…
• TheGigRig Three2One
www.thegigrig.com/three2one
• Sonic Research ST-200 Turbo Tuner
Australia: bit.ly/2mR1s8c
• Metropoulos Supa-Boost
store.metropoulos.net/product...
• Thorpy Warthog
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2ELIE48
Australia: bit.ly/2MLINum
USA: bit.ly/3qWCTK7
• Keeley D&M Drive
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2oTblU1
Australia: bit.ly/2pUDUAE
USA: bit.ly/3ltKAoo
• Diamond VIB1 Vibrato
www.diamondpedals.com/products...
• Boss DD-200
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2kyinR3
Australia: bit.ly/2smiUsQ
USA: bit.ly/3ogBT2x
• Fulltone Tube Tape Echo
www.fulltone.com/products/tub...
• Roland RE-201 Space Echo
Try Soundgas: soundgas.com/features/roland-...
• Echo Fix EF-X2
Echo Fix EF-X2 Tape Echo
Australia: bit.ly/2sQ56r3
echofix.com/products/echo-fix...
• Hiwatt Tape Echo
No longer made
• TheGigRig G2
www.thegigrig.com/g2
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Interesting bits and go-to sections…
- Social distancing: 0:00
- Intro playing: 0:48
- Hello and welcome: 2:05
- Where did the PRS DGT go? 2:55
- What are we doing today? 3:50
- Today’s echo machines: 4:30
- Pick / plectrum tangent: 6:35
- Today’s amps: 7:10
- Fulltone preamp on and off: 7:40 (8:23)
- Fulltone preamp overdriving: 8:56
- Mick’s Belle Epoch Deluxe realisation: 10:25
- Fulltone controls and echo sounds: 10:40
- …tone on the repeats: 11:45
- …high and low tape speeds: 12:35
- …with overdrive pedals: 13:40
- Boss DD-200 quick comparison: 14:35
- Slapback sounds from the Fulltone: 15:50
- The importance of the preamp: 18:50
- Roland Space Echo RE-201: 20:35
- RE-201 and TTE quick comparison: 21:17
- RE-201 preamp: 24:15
- RE-201 playback heads: 25:50
- Echo Fix EF-X2: 30:00 (30:50)
- …preamp sound and echo: 32:45
- Hiwatt Custom Tape Echo story: 35:00
- …sounds: 38:15
- …auto tape stop: 40:35
- …multi head: 41:20
- Hiwatt and Boss DD-200 compared: 42:09
- The next shows: 43:00
- What’s the commonality with tape? 44:00
- Schwang to end: 45:55
Guitars in this episode:
• Fender American Vintage ’62 Stratocaster - watch Mick’s video here: bit.ly/2cQv3yT
• Fender Custom Shop ’63 Telecaster - watch Dan’s video here: bit.ly/2Hlpy5Y
• PRS DGT - watch Mick’s video here: bit.ly/2d8Xo2I
• 1961 Fender Stratocaster - no video yet
Amps in this episode
• Two Rock Classic Reverb Signature / 212 cab with TR12-65B speakers
• Marshall 1987x / 1960Ax cab with Celestion G12M Greenback speakers
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I should get university credits for watching this given how much knowledge you guys impart in a single episode... hell, TPS should be required viewing for music curriculums!
Thank you guys so much for continuing to release material during this completely insane time. I am a nurse in America, and I can’t begin to describe the sheer crushing weight of anxiety that health care workers here are experiencing as the coronavirus pandemic begins to ramp up here. This show has always been a refuge for me when the heaviness of my job takes its toll from time to time, and I am very grateful for the joy, knowledge, enthusiasm, and community this show provides. Thank you for giving me something to look forward to. PS those sounds y’all opened this week’s show up with we’re just what I needed!
Tracy! It probably seems a bit weak to say thank you from 3000 miles away, but THANK YOU for the work you’re doing. What is striking to us is the difference with which people are experiencing this. Built up/urban/populated areas seem to be going through anxiety multiplication, whereas some rural/less populated areas are untouched where people don’t come in to contact so much. Hopefully soon it will be a bad memory and not for the first time, more of us need to realise the value of people like you more. Crazy bankers and politicians - literally useless. You guys - saving us. Thank you.
Hey Tracy, Dan here, just to echo what Mick said, it’s truly humbling what you’re doing at the moment, so, thank you, truly 🤓🙏🙏
Thank you so much for all that you're doing!
Thank you Tracy; stay safe and your hard work is for us all. That's pretty heavy.
Tracy, another 'Thank You' from even further away - the Outback, Australia! A toast to you for the exceptional sacrifice you're making every day. We, all the world over, are truly indebted to you. :)
That DGT is a bloody wonderful sounding guitar! Hope you're well guys.
Cheers Chris. Hope you’re well mate. It definitely has a thing! I should really play it more.
Okay, hear me out -
CB's 1962 Strat debut, on TPS. The TONES!!!! Dan might just pass out from joy.
I'll get my popcorn ready.
Craig Crider I second this notion!
Hey guys. Fellow Tube Tape Echo owner here. Funny thing about Mike is when ordering new tapes, you must provide the serial number and where you bought the machine from. And please, please read the manual. There are lots of tidbits about proper maintenance. In particular, it is very important to always unplug the main output when not in use. Not doing so for an extended period of time may cause the pinch roller to go out of round making the tape transport unstable.
It really warms my heart to see you enjoying the glorious tones of a tape echo. There's something special about being in the room hearing that repeat that is very inspiring. I think you relayed that feeling perfectly. Looking forward to your future episodes.
How does Mike respond if you bought the unit second hand? I’m interested in a TTE but the customer service horror stories I hear freak me out.
@@lukeneptune3820 You'll be fine with a used one. Just tell him where you got it from along with the serial number when you need to get new tapes. His are sooo much better than the old Echoplex version.
The instruction manual is available on his website. I highly recommend looking at it to get acquainted with the parts, operation and care of a TTE. Mine is about 15 years old and works flawlessly.
Good luck with your purchase. I think they're amazing.
@@InspiretoVictory thanks for that :)
Good lord those tones in the intro - then the outro!!!.
That Fulltone. Seeing D&M sitting side-by-side back in the good old days.
It made me forget all about Covid-19 and maybe not having a job soon and having to sell all my gear and...
Oh crap. Now I remember. Gonna play the intro again.
EDIT: All the tones in this episode (except for the comparison between the Fulltone TTE & the poor old Boss DD-200!) made me forget about illness and poverty. Thank you TPS. Take care D&M, take care TPS fans. Best wishes to all.
Hey Matt, chin up geezer. There’s an enormous amount of good will out there among humans right now. More than I’ve seen in a long long time. Mick here. Every cloud... ;0)
@@ThatPedalShow Thanks Mick.
Boris Johnson+
Prince Charles+
Rand Paul+
Every cloud :)
Thank you for your unbridled joy at the end of the mega jam to close the show. It really brightened up my dull day :)
The Hiwatt with the Warthog and Supaboost sounded incredible. Damn...
You guys are truly a blessing during these hard times. Please, never stop to do what you do best, as your shows have become part of my daily survival. Love you !!!!!
It is so cool to watch the excitement oozing from your expressions and you both trying to contain yourselves. This is guitar. Great episode guys..
Thank you for putting this out, I don’t know where I’d be without your show on Friday. The tones in this episode are killer from the moment it started. Also, thank you for the heartfelt message in the intro, while I am not personally affected, I know many people who are and it’s great that you guys care. Hope all is well with you guys and stay safe. Sending good will from the states!
Love the end - when Dan lost his mind. This uplifting episode, was much needed today. That Hiwatt Tape Echo Sounded phenomenal. Stay safe fellas.
Love these videos. Thank you for all you guys do. I used to be a digital guy flying every thing through an effects loop. Crystal clear repeats, perfect clean and overdriven modulation. Until I bought a single channel no effects loop amp. Now i have become a volume knob rider, with an analogue delay.. the sound of a amp starting to break up, bordering chaos in the delay now has a magic to it I cant put down. And it's because of you guys showing that perfect isnt always best. Cheers guys. Stay safe.
Welcome Will. You’re among friends here. :0)
Great show. I was shocked by how good the Hiwatt tape delay sounded, the modulation was incredible.
I truly love you guys and what you do! Each time I see a new TPS, especially todays tape echo, I get giddy and my wife and kids just roll their eyes! They just don't get it! This is like my extended online family! Thanks again for all that you guys do!
Back in the 80s, I plugged in an Echoplex five nights a week for a fellow named Robbie Dunbar, it was pretty high mileage but I don't think anyone worried about it breaking.
Thirty years on, we plug one in, it works, *it's a miracle *.
Rust never sleeps.
Thanks guys for being equally entertaining and informative! Great to finally see a PRS!
So glad you got a few episodes 'in the can' for our isolation days. Hope you and yours all stay healthy and happy.
I am in love with tape echo!!! Better yet, I never knew I could just level up to a tube tape echo, crank the volume use it as your overdrive!! You guys continue to to blow my mind. Schwang on!
Thanks for keeping things going and helping keep me sane whilst we're all having to be isolated. Stay safe, best wishes to you all from up here in Glasgow!
I’ve got a setting on my Timeline that’s to die for. Great show, guys. Stay healthy.
Chaps, just received my mug and fridge magnets - thanks so much for the handwritten thank you on the postcard - nice touch - it will go on my music room wall - stay well.
All sound beautiful of course and have their own character. I’m amazed by the Echo Fix, loads of character but super quiet and articulate. My god Dan, that playing at the end was crazy good!
Thank you for all that you do Dan and Mick. Content like this is what we all need in these tough times.
On a personal note, similar to you Mick, I realized I have some underlying anxiety that I think COVID-19 made me aware of it was something I have dealt with without really knowing I had it. Your videos where you get into depression and things have been helpful.
Stay safe in the UK from SLC.
I was fixated on the idea of getting the tube tape echo when you got yours. Then the world collapsed. I look forward to when I can once again direct my attention towards this goal! In the meantime, this is a wonderful bit of inspiration! 🙌🏻
Thank you lads. I‘ve been with you for years now and learnt so much, all the way from string gauges to speaker cabs. Special thanks for opening up the Hiwatt world to me. I recently tested a Custom SS 2x12 Combo at night in the closed-down shop of a friend, together with my Tele. It‘s the loudest, most gloriously chiming 40 watts I’ve ever heard and I‘m going to buy it, come what may. (Would love to try that Hiwatt Tape Echo with it.) Anyway, please keep doing what you do. Thanks for all the knowledge, all the laughs and all that tone!
Yes, I have a Hiwatt SS Combo.
The sound is smooth and balanced, same is true for it's reverb too.
Only downside to it is that there's no presence control or bright switch on it. I play mostly Humbuckers and Filtertrons, so I may soon experiment with adding a bright cap to allow a bit more top end emphasis.
The sheer joy of switching all your pedals on at once! Well done Dan! 😉
This was such a fun episode! Thanks guys!
Commenting to manipulate the algorithm.
Love you guys. Please never stop.
Brilliant, new TPS. Let’s get into it.
Ooh fellas, that HIWATT is a living, breathing thing. Beautifully done. This one lifted the load off for a bit. Thanks guys, from 'Murica.
Thank you, Dan and Mick. I really appreciate the pleasure of your expertise and insight, but most of all your (virtual) company.
Likewise Joe. Thank you for joining us!
Opening riffs healed my world, thank you
Mick, your playing is getting better. Just a factual data point.
Another excellent show - I likely won't ever buy a real tape echo, but at least I know why they are so cherished. Thanks for making my shelter at home so much more tolerable. Stay healthy and be well guys!
O to have unlimited funds...wouldn't that be nice! Thanks for sharing, I am off work and settling in for this episode. It is 7am here in Texas. I'll watch this, have a cup of tea and then go for a nice socially distanced bike ride. EDIT: Oh, this is gonna be good! Mick hit 110dB in the opening jam!
And a toneful good time was had by all. Can't wait for part 2!
Stepping up from delay pedals and acquiring a proper tape echo machine feels like the experience, when a boy stops playing with toys and becomes a real man!
I would love to watch all this great stuff you do with cranked amps, too, to have as a reference point.
Looking forward to the rest of the series!
Cheers, guys, stay healthy and safe!
that PRS doesn't get enough love in this show. It's absolutely brilliant!
Awesome show lads - one of my favourites. Very much looking forward to the follow ups. That hiwatt was a complete surprise!
I am SOO excited for this tape delay miniseries! I hope to glean some pointers and settings from you guys for my Volante. :)
Moo!
26:39 that’s my favourite setting on a space echo too, with the reverb cranked!
29:07 for the Win!!! Sounding killer, spreading the good word Sir X
Great show. I love my old tape units.
One of the things that makes our current world situation feel more normal is watching a new TPS episode on Fridays. Thank you fellas and please y'all (and your families) stay safe. Cheers 🙏🏽
Always very cool when something is so good that it inspires you to bring something special to your playing. Very inspired playing this episode, boys. Thanks for the distraction.
This is definitely the Lords work you’re doing here fellas!
Thanks for having the foresight to get some content in the can before the world went out of control.
I can definitely see a “reel tape” delay in my future!
you are doing "guitar-gods" work. much love to you guys, and thanks so much
Very cool! Stoked for the follow up vids.
Wow, that ending, bravo!
Great episode guys!
Stay safe guys! Loved the content!
Very cool video guys! Awesome tape tones!
That Hiwatt Custom Tape! N-O-I-C-E! ❤️
Just when I started looking into your older tape delay videos, you guys go and post a new one! TPS is bad for my wallet
some really amazing sounds!
Thanks so much fellows! We are so lucky. you make everything a little better.
Awesome show... Monster sounds and playing, cheers :)
Thank you for all you do on here! I hope you and your loved ones are okay!
Super. The follow ups will be really helpful. Interestingly, and I think this is because my first pedal was a digital delay I preferred the modern one.
Oh yes, I've been waiting for this episode !
Ordered my first T-shirt a few days ago, to support you guys. - Thank you for the inspiration, knowledge and entertainment every week - Stay safe...isolate :)
Dan's pure joy face when the FTE and Echo Fix get stacked is everyone watching
Wow! You both never ceases to amaze me. The quality of tone, thought in presentation, and candid banter make your channel my favorite on UA-cam.
I'm more of a live sound guy than electric guitar player but, your videos help me get better tone out of the people I mix for. I learn from you what tone could be.
I wish other demos/shootouts/reviews on the tube would take note that really demonstrating a pedal/effect is much, much more than playing a riff on one setting. Your approach of demonstrating pieces that sum up to a whole are the best parts of really understanding the effect for a complete comparison.
I have been wanting to send you some picks to try and, include a letter with my thoughts on tone wood, winks. Cheers boys! Your videos are my guilty pleasure of UA-cam. Kindly, TimoTe
Ah, cheers TimoTe, that’s very kind, take care, keep safe :)
I don't really care how the RE-201 works or what kind of preamp it has, it sounds bloody amazing ^_^
Mick's intro was amazing. 46:37 Dan is done, we lost him y'all, he's gone. Both sharing their passion with the world, what a great experience.
Such great tones. That preamp in the Fulltone, wow... Great to hear that there are a few weeks more of TPS in the can - will make self-isolation a lot more bearable :-) Best wishes to everyone at TPS over the coming weeks/months, and to all of my fellow fans. Stay safe.
Thank you TPS! Hello friends. Hope you're all keeping well.
Great Show Mates!! Rabbit hole for sure...... Viva La Tape Tones!!! Stay safe, healthy and Groovy!!!........"AND.....you're back in the room!!!"
Amazing gig. Great vid 😍
Great video Gents as always. This one in particular brought back lots of memories. As a 10/11/12/13 year old in the late 70's early 80's I was often dragged, sometimes kicking and screaming, to the local working mens' club on a saturday evening. The trauma was occasionally mitigated by the presence of a performer who shared my first name. He sat (not stood) on the front of the stage and played a white Fender Jaguar (I think) into a Copycat echo system (The one where the tape was open to the elements) into a head and 2x10 cab. Can't remember the make of the amp and cab but WEM or Carlsboro were common at the time. The effect was magical and kept what would have been bored a preteen entertained for a couple of hours, I remember that the echoes were so lush and full and although lately I've tried with modern gear I can't get anyway close to that sound. Just thought I'd share that.
Definitely glad to see the DGT back. A favorite of the show for me. Just does a thing I love.
Tone and the end is begging for Kashmir to be played. ;)
Amazing episode boys. I own and love the RE-201 but after viewing this i may need to expand to a collection
Bless you guys! Awesome as per usual!
WOW! Being a drive junkie I almost didn't watch this episode, glad I did.
The Hiwatt was supreme in its sound, closely followed by the Fulltone. I've just rearranged my pedal board to include my sons Marshall Echohead. You've gotta start somewhere.
Mick is getting better each video! Great intro performance!
No doubt about it...that hiwatt took the prize here! Amazing
The DGT is back !!! My favourite guitar on the show !
Dearest Tone Angels, I adore this video. They’re all amazing. My buddy just had Mark at Victoria amps fix his 201 and it sounds stupendous (we live right by Victoria HQ). Watching this makes me want to consider adding/bringing one to live gigs 😔. Love you two, hope all is well.
Thank Lordy for the humble normality of receiving a TPS episode on a Friday - the world doesn’t seem quite so mad for a short while.
One of your best! Like you said Mick, so evocative. Please don't delay the follow up follow up episode.. Thanks for your work
Two weeks’ time is the first one....
Wow that Hiwatt sounds incredible.
Thanks guys!! Love when you bring in the analog tape delays!!! I could be wrong, but when Dan was playin and Mick was demonstrating the drive of the delay at around 11:40ish, it sounded like Dan was having flashbacks of one of the original Wet/Dry videos....when he had that epic sound/experience going?.
Very glad to see the return of the DGT. It’s consistently the best sounding humbucker guitar in that room :)
Mr Grissom and Mr Smith, we thank you. It is a wonderful thing!
awesome the PRS opens the show... looking forwards to the next 49mins
Thank you for the video.
I am a gigging musician (aka weekend warrior) and I played my last gig couple of weeks ago.
Now, I am looking at the empty weekends and tutoring my two sons on weekdays.
In this madness, it's great to see some things still go on in a regular schedule.
Thank you for helping us to keep our sanity :)
We feel you Burak. Aside from the financial loss, the psychological effect of not playing is probably worse. Chin up dood. It’s going to be a struggle, but it will end.
Thank you for another great show! Can't wait to see your thoughts on the Belle Epoche Deluxe in this context.
It always takes me the whole weekend to watch your show from start to finish, because I have to keep pausing, grabbing a guitar, tweaking some pedals and trying out new things. Thank you for being so inspiring every week! Please, keep on doing this ;-) But the most important thing in these days: stay safe and healthy!
Yes! That’s the best way possible Markus. Same to you man, stay safe you and yours!
Brilliant! Part #2 now, please!
Two weeks’ time.....
Great video guys, love tape echoes. Using the tape echo models in a Boss GT-100 and also Line 6 HX Effects, which are actually pretty good... (watching from Brisbane, Australia.)
Thanks for the re-primer on tape fellas!
News flash from the western front: my want is engaged in a trenchwar battle with my needs.
My financially challenged bankaccount caught in the crossfire suffers from possible collateral damage.
Argggg, cant wait for the white flag of affordability to be waved.
Lets cross our fingers that a peace treaty can be signed.
Anyhow, Mick, good intro thanks, and yes, blue sounds killer to me, as all your tones in the vid.
Dan, pulling off some groovy stonerrock sounds at the end ( stoner metal in the usa)
The combination of you, Red and tape sounds always amazing to me.
Keep the bugs out, stay safe, till next everyone!!
Cheers!
Great show!!!!! Mick the stuff on the DGT in the intro was truly epic! Thought the Hiwatt sounded particularly good, also a slightly friendlier sized unit :-)
as always keep up the good work :-D
Good thing you have so much interesting content up in your sleeve, it helps us forget the current situation for a moment while your PM shows how to archieve herd immunity.
Hey guys, love your show and I appreciate the time, experience and knowledge which goes into each episode.
I would love to hear your have the Roland RE-201 up against a Roland RE-301 which distinguished itself by adding two new features.
The first was a lush, analog chorus effect that was able to be used concurrently or independently from the delay effect to give a pseudo-stereo output option A and B where:
A=Direct+Reverb+Chorus
B=Echo+Chorus+Sound On Sound.
Running the RE-301 with 2 amps is something you need to hear.
Additionally, the RE-301 added a new “Sound on Sound” mode, allowing users to loop phrases and then record additional layers on top. This radical concept at the time contributed to the development of “looping”, a phenomenon that would become huge years later.
+1 for the DGT making an appearance!!! Love mine (it's my profile picture). Hopefully part 2 will have alternatives to an actual tapedelay....like the El Capistan 😉👍👍👍
Yep. El Cap and a handful of others feature strongly in part 2.....
I haven't told Mick and Dan I love them lately, so here goes... I love you very much for being proper gearologists, On a proper journey with guitar, and great folks. Keep on it, and I see a hoodie in my future. Wow...hiwatt?!!
Im glad y'all are distancing. I was oddly, considering all I have to worry about- rents due- worried about it & you. Take care
Yay! TPS day.... new episode...when you guys get a chance you should check out the echopark tape delay, made in Detroit, just across the river from me. You'll be happy that you did!
Hi Dan and Mick, Excellent Show 👍👍👍.
Mick the intro to the Show was Spectacular with the PRS👍.
Dan at 39:04 Absolutely Brilliant 👍.
I am a massive Delay fan, the Tape Delays sounded so warm, I am off to tweak my T-Rex Reptile 2 😳.
Thank you for all the Work you Both do to make TPS!
Take care ♥️🎸👍.
Melbourne, Australia.
Nice one. That DGT sounds great
First show I've watched in 4K. Yay!! Apart from that, every time I hear the DD-200 I think 'What a great little unit for the money!'. Of course the tape units sound more organic etc etc but the practicality factor weighs (in more than one sense) so heavily against them. Fingers crossed this Coronavirus nonsense is over quickly and you guys can start building up that backlog of shows again for us plebs to enjoy. 👍🙂
Yay 🙌 love this show...been laid off the job so..lets watch away
Sorry to hear that Joe. Better times ahead!