You need the subframe brace, because if you upgrade the rear swaybar diameter without one, the thicker swaybar will tear the frame. Thats why everyone uses them.
Thank you for pointing it out! It was bothering me. Like many other mods too often you'll see them used for form rather than function which makes me cringe a bit ngl
@@Mr-Yan. solid suspension is also required need bolf suspension and frame strong enough to hold the sway bar non r civic chassi is too weak for sway bars
What would be the max diameter for a rear sway bar without adding the brace? I’m thinking about adding the 13mm bar, which as far as I know, is the smallest on the EG’s
That brace without a swaybar would work the same as a tie bar, its going to tie those 2 points together and stiffen the subframe, also giving you the option to run a large swaybar without ruining your subframe
Once you brace all the goodies it makes the slow car alot of fun on the highway....at least here on the US. You can take the ramps and curved bridges at 90 and the car won't miss a beat. If you were in a rear wheel car you may wipe out. It's not about making sense with civics.. it's about fun👍..
so funny thing civic have subframe on the rear its just welded to the chasiss not bolted like in most cars its one piece that u can remove spot welds and install new subframe except honda is not producing any more of these but you can find them in catalogs or in collision repair workshop manual also this brace have a very important purpose and even more than one it works like strut brace but for LCA mounts not alowing subframe to flex under load its not important for subframe to be braced for front back flexing because trailing arms are mounted pretty good the most load it gets is from toe angle trying to push and pull left right so brace is literally for that flexing its same as with f1 cars control arms these are very thin and dont look strong but its because these dont have any force applied to them trying to breake them in half but only push pull action also u can install swaybar to it
Yes I am well aware of the sway bar mounting ability I have fitted dozens of them, they don’t do anything if you don’t have a sway bar attached to them
@@TURBOTRISTO they do rear LCA mounting is getting loaded from sides because of toe angle and sliping load when taking a corner bolting a brace means mounts dont flex towards and Apart od eachother
People forget that aluminum ‘work hardens’ over time, causing the metal to become more brittle, best to have the steel bracket in there, the aluminum will always have to be thicker than the steel to match its strength, so why complicate things?
I can't see that subframe brace doing anything noticeable however a short shifter is on my list of mods for the sss. One of the few things I like about the 86 is the stock shifter feel. To my ears that new muffler made a slightly nicer tone.
If they're not using the brace for a sway bar then it serves as a tie bar. Other than that a lot of owners just put it on as a dress up piece. Pretty and cute.
Subframe without the rear arb is pointless, I agree. However the short throw shifter is a worthwhile mod to me at least but it really depends what you are going to do with it. Driving around sometimes I hate how wobbly and rubber like my shifter feels coupled with the large throw it feels like I am driving a van. Future mod is a short shifter just because I want crisper and notchier shifting, but a good idea is to change the bushings as well. If I grab my stock shifter lower, where the metal rod is the shifts are so mint and notchy, it almost feels like a bolt action rifle and that's what I would like to achieve with a short throw shifter. Either new rubber or poly bushings to get rid of that slop in the shifter as much as you can. Short throw shifter with old worn down bushings is just asking for money shifts.
@@TURBOTRISTO Yes, that shifter is a bit of a niche thing. If you are daily driving and want notchy, fast shifts, couple it with new bushings and go for it. But if u plan on slamming the gears like you stole the damn thing you are asking for money shifts at one point.
If they weren't doing lower control arms nor a sway bar yea basically a waste of money on the rear brace lbs no shifter bushing upgrades thats a waste as well exhaust served no purpose also just wasted money all around
@@TURBOTRISTO hopefully they still have the car and are enjoying the little things that you've done and hopefully they've added real upgrades at this point lol
You need the subframe brace, because if you upgrade the rear swaybar diameter without one, the thicker swaybar will tear the frame. Thats why everyone uses them.
Kevin Back I agree!!!!! But 99.9% of Honda boiz don’t have a rear sway bar
Thank you for pointing it out! It was bothering me. Like many other mods too often you'll see them used for form rather than function which makes me cringe a bit ngl
You can tear it out with the standard em1/ek4 swaybar 🥲
@@Mr-Yan. solid suspension is also required
need bolf suspension and frame strong enough to hold the sway bar
non r civic chassi is too weak for sway bars
What would be the max diameter for a rear sway bar without adding the brace? I’m thinking about adding the 13mm bar, which as far as I know, is the smallest on the EG’s
That brace without a swaybar would work the same as a tie bar, its going to tie those 2 points together and stiffen the subframe, also giving you the option to run a large swaybar without ruining your subframe
Exactly but without a sway bar it strengthens a part of the car that doesn’t need strengthening
@@TURBOTRISTO Oh 100%. Still works like a tie bar by connecting those 2 points together, plus having a nice brace/control arms looks great hahah
@@TURBOTRISTO sorry pal but if it didn't do anything Honda wouldn't of put tie bar there on the integra type r
The brace stops the rear subframe from being damaged when you run a big sway bar.
the rear of my EG was ruined this way.
dex yes exactly , 99.9% of cars don’t have a sway bar though just the brace, I have one and a sway bar it’s awesome,
@@rhlastnae5236 hahah I mean 99.9 % of civic owners fit the brace and no sway bar haha
And a short throw shifter is for less travel distance of the shifter equalling faster shifting.
yes very aware, this one is junk and feels like crap, with out any gear box mods its just destroying synchros
Once you brace all the goodies it makes the slow car alot of fun on the highway....at least here on the US. You can take the ramps and curved bridges at 90 and the car won't miss a beat. If you were in a rear wheel car you may wipe out. It's not about making sense with civics.. it's about fun👍..
so funny thing civic have subframe on the rear its just welded to the chasiss not bolted like in most cars
its one piece that u can remove spot welds and install new subframe except honda is not producing any more of these but you can find them in catalogs or in collision repair workshop manual
also this brace have a very important purpose and even more than one
it works like strut brace but for LCA mounts not alowing subframe to flex under load
its not important for subframe to be braced for front back flexing because trailing arms are mounted pretty good
the most load it gets is from toe angle trying to push and pull left right so brace is literally for that flexing
its same as with f1 cars control arms these are very thin and dont look strong but its because these dont have any force applied to them trying to breake them in half but only push pull action
also u can install swaybar to it
Yes I am well aware of the sway bar mounting ability I have fitted dozens of them, they don’t do anything if you don’t have a sway bar attached to them
@@TURBOTRISTO they do rear LCA mounting is getting loaded from sides because of toe angle and sliping load when taking a corner bolting a brace means mounts dont flex towards and Apart od eachother
Short shifter feels great!. Would recommend it.
Good to know!
I can understand why people might think that bar helps but it's not really attached to anything, does look cool though
Claire Willamson it sure does
The rear brace helps. There are videos showing proof. Less body roll........
impossible it doesnt connect the rear wheels at all, its only possible with a sway bar
@TURBOTRISTO I makes the frame of the car stronger and flex less..........
The brace is to reinforce the frame if you run a bigger sway bar. If you dont run a sway bar its pretty much pointless
Exactly
People forget that aluminum ‘work hardens’ over time, causing the metal to become more brittle, best to have the steel bracket in there, the aluminum will always have to be thicker than the steel to match its strength, so why complicate things?
Exactly
Can you run the brace without the swaybar if so how does it perform
You can run the brace with out a sway bar it does absolutely nothing but look cool
How is this muffler any better than stock if you are using a full stock exhaust? curious
it does look cool tho!
Unsure but it sounds sweet
no they aren't worth it unless you have the full exhaust a good clutch and a rear sway bar
Agree bro
I do only maintenance on the stock eg. The car is fun as is on the mountain roads.
awesome man thanks for watching
I can't see that subframe brace doing anything noticeable however a short shifter is on my list of mods for the sss. One of the few things I like about the 86 is the stock shifter feel. To my ears that new muffler made a slightly nicer tone.
Yeah in theory they are good but it just increases the chance of miss shifting and crunching gears
@@TURBOTRISTO 5th to 2nd in 3...2...1 💥
My subframe literally broke in half from just being driven hard (no bottoming out)
no anti roll bar either. CRXes are floppy as shit
Mind asking what brand is the twin loop
Can’t recall
Upgrade to thick sway bar and you find the reason
Yes but 99% of civic owners don’t run any sway bar
Chassis brace looks baller, thats all the function i need 👌
Hahahah that’s about the gist of it too haha
If they're not using the brace for a sway bar then it serves as a tie bar. Other than that a lot of owners just put it on as a dress up piece. Pretty and cute.
Exactly right
Subframe without the rear arb is pointless, I agree. However the short throw shifter is a worthwhile mod to me at least but it really depends what you are going to do with it. Driving around sometimes I hate how wobbly and rubber like my shifter feels coupled with the large throw it feels like I am driving a van. Future mod is a short shifter just because I want crisper and notchier shifting, but a good idea is to change the bushings as well. If I grab my stock shifter lower, where the metal rod is the shifts are so mint and notchy, it almost feels like a bolt action rifle and that's what I would like to achieve with a short throw shifter. Either new rubber or poly bushings to get rid of that slop in the shifter as much as you can. Short throw shifter with old worn down bushings is just asking for money shifts.
That’s a great point man great comment, thanks for watching I also agree, for most people they aren’t going to need or use a short shifter
@@TURBOTRISTO Yes, that shifter is a bit of a niche thing. If you are daily driving and want notchy, fast shifts, couple it with new bushings and go for it. But if u plan on slamming the gears like you stole the damn thing you are asking for money shifts at one point.
Oh man, I thought you’re talking about that hot air intake. 😂
@@rstar88105 also such a bad mod
Ayyyy how goes mate.....looking at getting lower control arms....i already swapped out shifter for a skunk2 and it made a world of difference
Awesome, I’d probably go with hard race lcas or oem replacement be careful of any eBay ones the bushes are too soft and they fail in a few weeks
That brace is for less flex
All braces are for less flex , this one doesn’t do much
Ive never seen a ek hatchback in that color before.
@@vermontvermont9292 green is the most common colour here in Australia
Thanks you!!!
You are welcome brother
Yo forget the honda, that beat at beginning is fire 🔥
thanks for watching brother
I though short shifter was only useful for drag racing and stuff?
Bailys4Dayz people use autos for drag racing :) if they are serious racers
love how you say bolt holes man haha
What do you mean? My accent?
@@TURBOTRISTO yeah it sounds like you're saying buttholes
i am saying buttholes :)
Lots of helpful information thank you 🇺🇸
No worries mate
Gotta start somewhere with mods I guess :)
You sure do eventually they all add up
agreed
lol red brake drums +69KW
I heard they make 72kW
I would say 50rwkws but k
Aidan Hunt haha it has active centre differential engaged
If they weren't doing lower control arms nor a sway bar yea basically a waste of money on the rear brace lbs no shifter bushing upgrades thats a waste as well exhaust served no purpose also just wasted money all around
100000% finally Someone agrees
@@TURBOTRISTO hopefully they still have the car and are enjoying the little things that you've done and hopefully they've added real upgrades at this point lol
You gonna move the steering wheel over to the correct side of the car? lol
its already on the RIGHT side :P
Might send you some of my ozito stuff when I upgrade
Aidan Hunt yassssss please
Since you criticize the brace then make one like you described. Easy money.
ITS ON THE CARDS MATE THANKS FOR WATCHING
Old school Tristan ❤️
Yeah man classiiiique
I think the worst mod was the air filter oem these cars come with a cold air intake
that is also true
Can't forget hood spacers when they don't need the clearance, or a tow strap attached to the lower grill 😂
yup too cringe to see these kids rock them. I own a ek hatch and i'll never do this to my car!
Good man
Im thinking about doing it to my ed6
make sure you get a swaybar otherwise its just a waste of time
Will he be turboinggg his car?
BossDude1 most likley yeah
Where the hell are the sstickier tyres???!?!?!??!?!
Aidan Hunt Francis used them up
Rice it up love the channel
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@@Yamum691 its life changing
Shazzy huh?
CH-assssy
Such an ugly era of a car.
This one wasn’t the prettiest