Man this is so good... Batman is the ultimate tale of suffering and a man who tries to turn it into something good. He continues to fight, he continues to try make sure what happened to him as a child never happens to anyone so no one has to suffer, but he suffers more than all of them. And he suffers because he cares, cares for the victims cares about each death he fails to prevent and it destroys him. Batman is honestly so good I could talk about him all day lol. Anyway, this video is perfect, encapsulates everything about batman, you even made me appreciate Batman Forever a bit more! Keep up the good work, I look forward to your future projects.
Now if only BvS would‘ve told that, outside of symbolism,... If Superman would‘ve been the first life Batman considers taking,... If Superman wouldn‘t have killed,... If Luther would have had any better plan, than trying to frame Superman for a shooting, and a bomb attack,... If they didn‘t just kill of Superman, and with that made him make the choice of either being the worlds savior, or his own forger of fate,... If they didn‘t try to tell the dark knight returns, the death of Superman, and their own story, and in addition to overly build up justice league (by also copying Marvel), in one single movie,... Then it might have been an OK movie.
Hahaha thank you! But please remember my thoughts and feelings aren't fact and you're more than welcome to disagree. If you're interested in seeing more of these BvS discussions I'd suggest looking at HiTop Films' 'Batman Doesn't Kill' video and Loverboy Media's 'Why I Love Batman V Superman'. They're both really reasonable and insightful pieces!
This exactly why I prefer DC. Because they actually make you think about how these heroes and villains have repercussions in the real world. The film was a complete package and an epic journey from start to finish. I love the graphic novels used, the properly executed punchlines, and the background of the characters introduced. This movie did a great job showing the sheer power and destructive capabilities of Demi-gods/Superheroes/Heroes/Kryptonians under on Earth. I am insanely in love with this cinematography and combat sequence. Notice how the female characters didn't bash the man's masculinity or invoke any "girl power" nonsense? And still, they came off as a powerful female character in the movie. (WW, Faora, Luis Lane, Mera, HQ and Martha). That's good writing by Goyer, the Nolan brothers, and Zack Snyder. Also brilliant acting by everyone. I hope WB/DC/HBOMax continues Zack's Vision while also producing standalone films like Joker and The Batman. I love the two versions, and I know Zack's films are expensive to produce but we're just asking them at least stick to the plan so that they can produce it five years even.
Batman *is* every bit as mad as the Joker, but they are *both* absolutely boss level at controlling their own madness. They're both obsessed with controlling every tiny detail of whatever their routines are. They're both super-adaptive psychopaths, both hyper-charismatic leaders, they both compartmentalise. I think the main difference between them is that Bruce/ Batman's narcissism is functionally dynamic as part of Bruce Wayne's elite billionaire playboy identity. Whereas Joker, molded by completely different environmental and formative factors, his narcissism is malignant.
I have always disagreed with the "insane or paychologically damaged" because it is a myth that batman is psychologically damaged. These are the opinions of several psychologists and experts that have destroyed the "Batman is inane" myth , again and again... 1. Dr. Robin S Rosenberg wrote a book and an article (which is an excerpt from the book) to explore and find out whether Batman fits any psychiatric disorder. In her article, she debunks several illnesses associated with Batman namely: Dissociative Identity Disorder, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, Antisocial Personality Disorder. She then starts discussing the behaviours and then says those behaviours were normal and didn't assign any mental illness to those behaviours. 2. Dr. Travis langley, in chapter 14, called "The Assessment", of his book, says in very clear terms that Batman has no specific illness and is not insane or has any kind of mental issues. This is an excerpt from the chapter 14 of his book (the assessment) word for word without paraphrasing:- "Is he psychotic, homicidal, suicidal or gravely disabled? No. Does he have post traumatic disorder?? Even though he shows some symptoms, No. Does he have multiple personality disorder?? Even if that were the correct name for the disorder, no, that one's so far off the target, it's ridiculous. He is the one man who plays several roles and brings different characteristics to different situations with full awareness and memory of what he's doing. How about some sort of obsessive condition? No, no more so than the most driven athletes, activists and artists who make great sacrifices to fulfil their callings in life. If he were compulsive, he would have too little controls over his actions to function so effectively and for so long. People can have personality shortcomings without fitting a psychiatric diagnosis. 4. Dr. Praveen K Kambam and Dr. Vasilis K Pozios (both Psychologists) have concluded that Bruce Wayne doesn't have PTSD because he successfully coped with loss and overcame adversity. To be diagnosed with PTSD, you have to maladaptive to a traumatic event. But Bruce coped with his loss and overcame adversity by training himself and being the best version of himself. This is adapting. Not mal-adapting.
This is an excerpt from the book "Batman and Psychology: A Dark and Stormy Knight" written by Travis Langley. "...Taking up a cause when inspired by a loved one’s death and making it one’s life’s work does not mean the person is mentally ill. Batman channels his grief for his parents into the campaign their deaths inspired, but he’s not alone in that regard. Real-world social superheroes, individuals whose misfortunes push them to levels of social activism that touch so many lives, find new purpose in life and make their losses meaningful by striving to keep others from suffering the same. They may follow their new purposes by raising public awareness of the problems, pushing for stricter laws and tougher penalties, lobbying for indirect deterrents like alcohol taxes, or even pursuing perpetrators.Outraged over the lenient sentence leveled against the drunk driver who killed her daughter in a hit-and-run, Candace Lightner made a vow, promising herself “that I would fight to make this needless homicide count for something in the years ahead,” and went on to found Mothers Against Drunk Drivers (MADD, later renamed Mothers Against Drunk Driving)" There are several people in our real world who become social activists and take up real world issues in the wake of a terrible tragedy. This is what Bruce did too.
Grant Morisson (famous Batman author) was asked if he thought Batman was crazy and he said he never subscribed to the idea that Batman is crazy. He said by being Batman, he is being useful to the community. His words not mine. I can give you a link if you want. Dennis O Neil was also asked if batman was crazy and he said no. I can give you the exact quote and source if you want. Now do you think all these people are wrong.. Greg Ruchka (another famous Batman author credited with works like No Man's land) heavily derided the idea of being batman crazy..
I LOVE this video. I love all of these movies and you did an amazing analysis on all of them, especially batman forever. A much as i love keaton as batman, its clear that kilmer had more development and more of a character arc. One scene that i find applicable to bruce in batman forever is actually from the young justice animated series wonder woman: you indoctrinated robin at the young age of 9 batman: robin needed to help bring the people who murdered his family to justice WW: so he could turn out like you batman: so that he wouldn't great video man, you have earned a subscriber :-) edit: that final line "he chooses to be batman so that no one else has to" reminds me a lot of in batman 89 when he says "its just something i have to do....because no one else can"
I absolutely adore BvS it's a shame people didn't liked it and some didn't understood it. I like the approach of DCEU more of elseworld version of the characters and since thr is so much DC material from animated shows to DCAU it's good that DCEU is different.That Martha scene was so freaking incredible 70+ years of these comic characters and i never saw anyone using it before and it ended up becoming a meme (SAD LIFE). Last but not the least your channel is amazing and i really can't wait for new videos man.I've binged watch every video of Loverboy Media and was going through his twitter and found your channel and OMG i wished i found it earlier. Your work is AMAZING can't wait for you to cover more topics will share your work as much as possible
Looking back, I think my misgivings with BvS has more to do with the portrayal of Lex Luther. While the idea of him being the antithesis of both Batman and Superman makes a great deal of sense, it was executed poorly I believe. For me, he came off as more sniveling and unhinged; an element of chaos, a second rate Joker knockoff rather than the brilliant machiavellian corporate mogul we all know. blowing up capital hill (that incriminated him) and blaming Superman was shit plan at best which just shows his lack of rational thinking and foresight. Lex's hatred for Superman was somewhere between mirroring Batman and outright jealously or an atheistic loathing of the notion that a godlike being among us but ultimately felt ambiguous as a whole. His hatred for Superman always made the most sense for me that Lex sees himself as the pinnacle of human achievement while Clark simply won the lottery. Lex worked to be exceptional where as Superman was born special. As a Villain, Lex is always at his best when he manipulates Superman into, for lack of a better word, falling from grace. Not in the "do what I say or your mother gets it" but rather "Everyday you let Batman live, more people suffer. Can you live with that? Knowing that you could put an end to his reign of terror?". But like Productions Journal put it, Batman is the villain, as jarring as the sounds, BvS. Lex is a just forced narrative to push along the plot.
@@chadsmith8966 I find your comment pretty much true, but must also say that there are many more flaws in BvS, if you ask me. If you want to know my list, I made one under @maxpatersonfilms ˋs comment in the big comment section, but I‘ll write it here again:
My favourite is The Dark Knight Trilogy but love how you explained BF here. Thank you the movie is underrated he’s Batman Forever. You should do Batman Mask Of The Phantasm as well. Subscribed too
I have to admit the Batman who laughs really anoys me. It doesn't seem right to me that the joker toxin would change his motivations and not hamper him instead, he just becomes a high performance plot armoured chaos demon. It shows everything wrong with modern Batmam. Batman after all is just a man and is best in stories independent from the justice league and metahumans.
In the batman vs superman deconstruct when he talks about how batman has become this monstrous creature of the night he plays the sound affect of the man-bat's screech that he makes in batman arkham knight
Bit of constructive criticism only because I think your content is really good and could be better, but maybe buy a better mic. The visuals and writing are really well done but I think the audio holds it back a bit.
Yeah my mic isn't really great and a lot of audio editing can't quite fix it haha. I'm planning on getting a new mic soon though! I'm glad you liked the video though, thanks!
Excellent analysis. But I've always thought that Batfleck was already that hopeless even before the Superman showed up. Because his 20 year-run of being the Batman showed him that it amounted to nothing. But he couldn't stop wearing the cape and cowl because he has nothing else to do and no one else to be, which makes him grieve over his parents even more. So he has grown even more hateful towards anything he deems wrong. And seeing the criminals cower in fear and pain maybe alleviates the pain for a bit, and probably enjoys it. And so it has become a drug. And the Martha scene was the wake-up call.
@@ProductionJournal It is. Nolan's Batman trilogy made me a Batman and DC fan, but so far, Batfleck is the best version of Bruce Wayne/Batman. In my opinion.
God dam! This is just beautifully put together, beautifully tragic but yet hopeful and mentally strengthening, It has so much to show the real and damaged would we live in today, to emphasise what choice is to someone, the true psychology of this has help me through out the years and this just fully completes the true meaning, and I believe it's a strong basis to show how much we need to look at the duality of our own human existence, and rise and embrace the fear we live with and don't acknowledge, Its something to idolise a comic book hero, but it is something else and the impact it can have in the real world. Thank you,
Loved the video and analysis! Also made me think that only sups could’ve helped Batman in BvS giving him hope (although unknowingly) only a "monster" can fight a "nightmare"
I do love a more in-depth look at the things we enjoy as observer to apply to our own lives; morals, dilemmas etc. Thoroughly enjoyed the video. Made me like Batman a little more than usual.
What a God, you appreciate 3 iterations of the character without taking shits on any of them. I truly respect you man. Thank you for opening my eyes to Batman: Forever as well.
Aw thanks mate! I feel like it's always healthier to take a positive approach to critiquing and reviewing something that you're passionate for so I tried to do just that
I often wonder if the alienation of Dick Grayson so much a part of his origin as Nightwing is a bit of Bruce’s choice and not just a consequence of his obsession; A conscious decision to alienate Dick from his own darkness and the path of being The Batman, to encourage him to make a choice.
The reason why he continues to do these the answer lies in The Dark Knight rises movie " The idea was batman can be anyone batman is a symbol" , as a man flesh and blood he can die but as a symbol he can live forever. He was hoping that if he grow old and die someone will take his place and principles.
I bet your parents taught you.... that you MeAn SoMeThInG ThAt You'Re HeRe FoR a ReAsON My parents taught me a different lesson WHEN THEY DIED IN THE GUTTER FOR NO REASON AT ALL. They taught me that the World only makes sense.... WHEN YOU FORCE IT TO.
Batman is my favorite comic book hero...he is human with no actual super powers..that makes the character legit in my mind as he could be a real personality
Great as always! I’ve gotten so used to the Dark Knight Trilogy and Arkham games that I never really had any second thought to Batman Forever and BvS. I hope one day you explore why Batman and Joker compliment each other like no other villain and hero ever will. Order vs. Chaos. What makes Batman so enduring to me is that he embodies “order.” By brute force, fear, cunning and crime solving. All that is chaotic, all that is unlawful, all that is disorder he dismantles those things piece by piece until everything is made right. Until order is restored. That one aspect of his nature has always been enduring and why his polar opposite, Joker, has always been extraordinarily complimentary. The yin and the yang.
Oh shit.... I just realized in Batman Forever Batman essentially created Robin when he couldn’t stop two face. Makes you wonder if the Batman mantle or persona is fated to continue perpetually....bro that’s wild.
I never thought this would happen but this video gave me a certain respect for batman v superman. I mean i still dont realy like the movie but seeing batman as the villain makes a lot of sense and realy switches my point of view on snyders work.
Excellent video you just earned another sub! I still don't like batman forever and batman and robin as they were big tone shifts burton films were much darker vs forever and batman and robin were mostly made to just sell kid toys
This was incredible. And what was really amazing was that you made me appreciate Batman v Superman (a movie I despised) and finally made it make sense.
Yo! I missed a video, but i am back, glad you are too! Fraking good video mate. Keeping production quality and writting in tip-top shape. Love your choice of topic too, though like always, i have a slightly different perspective than you on the minor details!
@@ProductionJournal True that! Keep it up mate, your videos are pretty damn bitchin', hope your channel grows so more people can see your stuff, you should be up there with HiTop and the rest with how polished your videos are.
This is good. The first 2 hours of BVS ultimate edition were absolute love but the Martha scene(idea was good) was executed poorly And one that always puzzled me was if Batman had his inflection point after he gave up on killing Superman and decided to save Martha, he still kills those goons at the warehouse (also the dudes in the car with his plane) so it really felt like a bummer. That inflection point should've made Batman come back to the light and stop killing(because the purpose of him killing, his hunt for Superman, was done)
In defense it was mostly in self defense against a group of heartless mercenaries; he did make a promise to himself at Clark’s funeral that though he failed Clark in life but he won’t in death, saying that he will now try to become who he use to be again with his faith in humanity restored because of Clark’s sacrifice. Plus the whole Martha was probably done better than people claim imo, Clark wasn’t intended to fight Bruce but it was Bruce that demonized his view of Clark for over a year and it was Clark pleading to the guy about to kill him to save someone else rather than himself.
What a breakdown of one of the most complex fiction characters ever! Especially the Batman vs Superman analysis was so apt and opened a new perspective for me. Never ever saw it the way you explained. Great video, great editing and great narration. 🙌
Please do a essay on Superman!! He's so misunderstood because people see him either as boring boy scout or overpowered and stale. I believe he is the greatest of all the superheroes IMO
Great video analysis of the Batman in film but I'm a bit puzzled as to how the Burton Films were omitted from the analysis. Though I don't blame since the Burton Films highlight how Batman is the true identity while Bruce Wayne is merely a mask.
I've always felt that the Burton films never quite did anything great with Bruce Wayne. I loved the dark and brooding aesthetic and the theme of isolation however there wasn't anything across the two Burton films that really stood out to me with interest (nothing, at least, that the films I spoke about here did any differently). I originally had them in my script but cut them out when there wasn't really any insights I could provide!
@@ProductionJournal Fair enough. The Burton Films did more with the Batman identity than Bruce Wayne. Batman 89 had Wayne equally mysterious, socially reclusive and Vicky Vale as a love interest/Journalist served to break him out of his shell abit. The Joker killing helped incorporated him into the Batman Mythology. With Batman Returns, Wayne is more sociable and fully immersed in the Batman Identity. With Selina Kyle/Catwoman he found a sort of kinship due to her own conflict with duality but no relationship would ever work between them. Penguins ongoing resentment at society being dumped in the sewer by his parents for his deformity manifested itself in genocidal manners. Still BR was more Burton than Batman. The psychological aspects were reserved for the villains. Under Burton, Batman was as ruthless as the criminals he hunted.
@@ProductionJournal The Joel Schumacher Films focused too much on being child friendly to the point where any depth to them were overlooked as you've highlighted with Batman forever. Schumacher's Gotham was a perfect neon metropolis that looked like it had an impressive nightlife rather than a crime ridden Hell on Earth, which is what I remember most. With Batman Forever, Bruce Wayne's evolution on his view of Batman went from being a curse to a choice.
As much as I dislike Ben Afflecks Batman and feel that Snyder doesn’t understand the character, I feel like his Batman could’ve worked very well had he not actually killed anyone. Him trying to kill Superman would’ve been much more effective if he had to justify it to himself as his first murder, deluding himself. Then after sparing Clark’s life he completes his arc and realised his wrongdoings, meaning he can have a great character story, without avoiding the consequences of killing people. It was also ruined by the fact that afterwards he goes on to kill more people, despite the fact that he was supposed to be against that.
I prefer Superman and Captain America. Simply because of their old timer morals - which is something we desperately need (old timer morals) In this day & age.
Batman is the greatest Superhero of all time. A terrible tragedy happened to him but instead of letting the situation control him, he got up, stopped whining and took control of the situation and set meaningful goals for himself. Batman can own anything and everything and yet he chooses to spend his money on charity and on his mission as Batman to rid the world of crime sacrificing his body, health, joy and peace in the process. He is our collective rage at injustice and oppression. He is a man searching the dark alleys of his mind to bring balance to an unjust world. He is a social activist. When we step back to gaze long upon the great Batman tapestry, when we look for the common thread woven through it by Kane, Finger, Fox, O’Neil, Englehart, and that endless line of creators, those who have come and gone as well as those who are still weaving, what do we see? We see a hero. We see someone we’d want on our side, a figure we’d love to call forth from our shadows and hurl at those who would do us wrong. We see that part of ourselves that wants to scare all of life’s bullies away, and we like it. He is driven. He is like a revolutionary who stands up to tyrants or the activists who fight against great odds to make this world a better place. Out of tragedy, great good can arise.
Batman is not a regular human, he has trained his mind and body far beyond any normal man, add to that his use of technology and forensic science and the you have what I think is termed a meta human.
DC made a god Superman and maybe thought a god wouldnt fight the world war 2, so one year later they made the most tragic and most relatable superhero the batman, if people started reading this it would make them want to be Batman over superman. The movies just went a step ahead with comics after the war, they made him even more realistic with all his pain coming one after the other through years eg robins death, barbara's incident and so on. They made him a superhero who we can relate to with our own personal demons. Batman is the mortal superhero who can never die.
Congratulations on an analysis of the Batman in BvS that finally makes sense. I was so disgusted with that depiction, that it never even occurred to me that this was deliberately showing a Batman gone mad. I still don’t like the movie, but your thoughtful analysis gives me something to think about.
Thank you! My goal isn't to make people like the movie or Ben Afflecks version of the character, but offer a different perspective and my own insight. I'm glad you enjoyed it!
@@blackadamrockzzz4439 lmfao assuming people don't understand some superhero movie. I swear snyderites are the most pretentious arrogant little pricks. I don't know what's worse, defending a horrendously delivered mediocre bore, or thinking you're smart while doing it
I've been searching for the best analysis video on batman but couldn't until I clicked on your video. Everything was OUT OF THIS WORLD. Your storytelling was phenomenal. Man I wish this video was atleast 60 mint long. The ending gave me goosebumps. Keep the good work up buddy and InshaAllah one this video will hit 1 million. Last but not least please make another video on batman but this time on his animated movies. I'll be waiting for that masterpiece
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Man this is so good... Batman is the ultimate tale of suffering and a man who tries to turn it into something good. He continues to fight, he continues to try make sure what happened to him as a child never happens to anyone so no one has to suffer, but he suffers more than all of them. And he suffers because he cares, cares for the victims cares about each death he fails to prevent and it destroys him. Batman is honestly so good I could talk about him all day lol. Anyway, this video is perfect, encapsulates everything about batman, you even made me appreciate Batman Forever a bit more! Keep up the good work, I look forward to your future projects.
Thanks bro!
He also cares for the vilians he puts away
Now if only BvS would‘ve told that, outside of symbolism,... If Superman would‘ve been the first life Batman considers taking,... If Superman wouldn‘t have killed,... If Luther would have had any better plan, than trying to frame Superman for a shooting, and a bomb attack,... If they didn‘t just kill of Superman, and with that made him make the choice of either being the worlds savior, or his own forger of fate,... If they didn‘t try to tell the dark knight returns, the death of Superman, and their own story, and in addition to overly build up justice league (by also copying Marvel), in one single movie,... Then it might have been an OK movie.
Keep.making.content
Dude that Batman trailer made me genuinely have tears come out of my eyes.
You and me both bro
What trailer?
This is the content i miss on UA-cam
This is too underrated
Thank you dude! This is just passion, expect more soon!
5:25 finally a video explaining and developing the obiously psychology themes and aspects of Batman Forever.
My guy, couldn’t have said it better myself! Quality entertainment
So far I think he solved and described Batman v Superman better than anyone I’ve ever heard try
Hahaha thank you! But please remember my thoughts and feelings aren't fact and you're more than welcome to disagree. If you're interested in seeing more of these BvS discussions I'd suggest looking at HiTop Films' 'Batman Doesn't Kill' video and Loverboy Media's 'Why I Love Batman V Superman'. They're both really reasonable and insightful pieces!
Jesus Christ this is so high end. Great job and great analysis.
Haha thank you! I try
This exactly why I prefer DC. Because they actually make you think about how these heroes and villains have repercussions in the real world. The film was a complete package and an epic journey from start to finish. I love the graphic novels used, the properly executed punchlines, and the background of the characters introduced. This movie did a great job showing the sheer power and destructive capabilities of Demi-gods/Superheroes/Heroes/Kryptonians under on Earth. I am insanely in love with this cinematography and combat sequence. Notice how the female characters didn't bash the man's masculinity or invoke any "girl power" nonsense? And still, they came off as a powerful female character in the movie. (WW, Faora, Luis Lane, Mera, HQ and Martha). That's good writing by Goyer, the Nolan brothers, and Zack Snyder. Also brilliant acting by everyone. I hope WB/DC/HBOMax continues Zack's Vision while also producing standalone films like Joker and The Batman. I love the two versions, and I know Zack's films are expensive to produce but we're just asking them at least stick to the plan so that they can produce it five years even.
This is the only Batman V Superman take that has knocked me even one step back from abject loathing. Very astute.
Superman is a really good guy. Batman has physical damage like all of
us. He's as crazy as the Joker, but he controls his madness ...
Batman *is* every bit as mad as the Joker, but they are *both* absolutely boss level at controlling their own madness. They're both obsessed with controlling every tiny detail of whatever their routines are. They're both super-adaptive psychopaths, both hyper-charismatic leaders, they both compartmentalise. I think the main difference between them is that Bruce/ Batman's narcissism is functionally dynamic as part of Bruce Wayne's elite billionaire playboy identity. Whereas Joker, molded by completely different environmental and formative factors, his narcissism is malignant.
@@nodiggity9472 Nice diagnosis...:)!
I have always disagreed with the "insane or paychologically damaged" because it is a myth that batman is psychologically damaged.
These are the opinions of several psychologists and experts that have destroyed the "Batman is inane" myth , again and again...
1. Dr. Robin S Rosenberg wrote a book and an article (which is an excerpt from the book) to explore and find out whether Batman fits any psychiatric disorder. In her article, she debunks several illnesses associated with Batman namely: Dissociative Identity Disorder, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, Antisocial Personality Disorder. She then starts discussing the behaviours and then says those behaviours were normal and didn't assign any mental illness to those behaviours.
2. Dr. Travis langley, in chapter 14, called "The Assessment", of his book, says in very clear terms that Batman has no specific illness and is not insane or has any kind of mental issues. This is an excerpt from the chapter 14 of his book (the assessment) word for word without paraphrasing:- "Is he psychotic, homicidal, suicidal or gravely disabled? No. Does he have post traumatic disorder?? Even though he shows some symptoms, No. Does he have multiple personality disorder?? Even if that were the correct name for the disorder, no, that one's so far off the target, it's ridiculous. He is the one man who plays several roles and brings different characteristics to different situations with full awareness and memory of what he's doing. How about some sort of obsessive condition? No, no more so than the most driven athletes, activists and artists who make great sacrifices to fulfil their callings in life. If he were compulsive, he would have too little controls over his actions to function so effectively and for so long. People can have personality shortcomings without fitting a psychiatric diagnosis.
4. Dr. Praveen K Kambam and Dr. Vasilis K Pozios (both Psychologists) have concluded that Bruce Wayne doesn't have PTSD because he successfully coped with loss and overcame adversity. To be diagnosed with PTSD, you have to maladaptive to a traumatic event. But Bruce coped with his loss and overcame adversity by training himself and being the best version of himself. This is adapting. Not mal-adapting.
This is an excerpt from the book "Batman and Psychology: A Dark and Stormy Knight" written by Travis Langley.
"...Taking up a cause when inspired by a loved one’s death and making it one’s life’s work does not mean the person is mentally ill. Batman channels his grief for his parents into the campaign their deaths inspired, but he’s not alone in that regard. Real-world social superheroes, individuals whose misfortunes push them to levels of social activism that touch so many lives, find new purpose in life and make their losses meaningful by striving to keep others from suffering the same. They may follow their new purposes by raising public awareness of the problems, pushing for stricter laws and tougher penalties, lobbying for indirect deterrents like alcohol taxes, or even pursuing perpetrators.Outraged over the lenient sentence leveled against the drunk driver who killed her daughter in a hit-and-run, Candace Lightner made a vow, promising herself “that I would fight to make this needless homicide count for something in the years ahead,” and went on to found Mothers Against Drunk Drivers (MADD, later renamed Mothers Against Drunk Driving)"
There are several people in our real world who become social activists and take up real world issues in the wake of a terrible tragedy. This is what Bruce did too.
Grant Morisson (famous Batman author) was asked if he thought Batman was crazy and he said he never subscribed to the idea that Batman is crazy. He said by being Batman, he is being useful to the community. His words not mine. I can give you a link if you want.
Dennis O Neil was also asked if batman was crazy and he said no. I can give you the exact quote and source if you want. Now do you think all these people are wrong..
Greg Ruchka (another famous Batman author credited with works like No Man's land) heavily derided the idea of being batman crazy..
This analysis is incomplete without the mask of the Phantasm
I LOVE this video. I love all of these movies and you did an amazing analysis on all of them, especially batman forever. A much as i love keaton as batman, its clear that kilmer had more development and more of a character arc. One scene that i find applicable to bruce in batman forever is actually from the young justice animated series
wonder woman: you indoctrinated robin at the young age of 9
batman: robin needed to help bring the people who murdered his family to justice
WW: so he could turn out like you
batman: so that he wouldn't
great video man, you have earned a subscriber :-)
edit: that final line "he chooses to be batman so that no one else has to" reminds me a lot of in batman 89 when he says "its just something i have to do....because no one else can"
Thank you dude! I appreciate the support!
I'd recommend Batman: Ego if you haven't already read it, it has a lot to do with his pychology.
That's on my to-read list! I've heard really great things about it!
Great video! Now I want a black and white version of Batman Forever
I absolutely adore BvS it's a shame people didn't liked it and some didn't understood it. I like the approach of DCEU more of elseworld version of the characters and since thr is so much DC material from animated shows to DCAU it's good that DCEU is different.That Martha scene was so freaking incredible 70+ years of these comic characters and i never saw anyone using it before and it ended up becoming a meme (SAD LIFE). Last but not the least your channel is amazing and i really can't wait for new videos man.I've binged watch every video of Loverboy Media and was going through his twitter and found your channel and OMG i wished i found it earlier. Your work is AMAZING can't wait for you to cover more topics will share your work as much as possible
Thank you so much! That means the world to me! I'm planning on covering at least two more of my favourite DC character very soon, so stay tuned!
Production Journal two more?
Production Journal i want 1 million more
Looking back, I think my misgivings with BvS has more to do with the portrayal of Lex Luther. While the idea of him being the antithesis of both Batman and Superman makes a great deal of sense, it was executed poorly I believe. For me, he came off as more sniveling and unhinged; an element of chaos, a second rate Joker knockoff rather than the brilliant machiavellian corporate mogul we all know. blowing up capital hill (that incriminated him) and blaming Superman was shit plan at best which just shows his lack of rational thinking and foresight.
Lex's hatred for Superman was somewhere between mirroring Batman and outright jealously or an atheistic loathing of the notion that a godlike being among us but ultimately felt ambiguous as a whole. His hatred for Superman always made the most sense for me that Lex sees himself as the pinnacle of human achievement while Clark simply won the lottery. Lex worked to be exceptional where as Superman was born special.
As a Villain, Lex is always at his best when he manipulates Superman into, for lack of a better word, falling from grace. Not in the "do what I say or your mother gets it" but rather "Everyday you let Batman live, more people suffer. Can you live with that? Knowing that you could put an end to his reign of terror?".
But like Productions Journal put it, Batman is the villain, as jarring as the sounds, BvS. Lex is a just forced narrative to push along the plot.
@@chadsmith8966 I find your comment pretty much true, but must also say that there are many more flaws in BvS, if you ask me. If you want to know my list, I made one under @maxpatersonfilms ˋs comment in the big comment section, but I‘ll write it here again:
My favourite is The Dark Knight Trilogy but love how you explained BF here. Thank you the movie is underrated he’s Batman Forever. You should do Batman Mask Of The Phantasm as well. Subscribed too
Thank you so much!
I have to admit the Batman who laughs really anoys me. It doesn't seem right to me that the joker toxin would change his motivations and not hamper him instead, he just becomes a high performance plot armoured chaos demon. It shows everything wrong with modern Batmam. Batman after all is just a man and is best in stories independent from the justice league and metahumans.
The Batman Who Laughs I find is interesting conceptually but really kinda underwhelming in actual practice
In the batman vs superman deconstruct when he talks about how batman has become this monstrous creature of the night he plays the sound affect of the man-bat's screech that he makes in batman arkham knight
Yeah I thought it felt spooky enough to include 😂
FINALLY someone gets the whole journey of Batman in Batman v Superman!!! l LOVED it!! Thank you!!!
Tottaly agree with you.
Bit of constructive criticism only because I think your content is really good and could be better, but maybe buy a better mic. The visuals and writing are really well done but I think the audio holds it back a bit.
Yeah my mic isn't really great and a lot of audio editing can't quite fix it haha. I'm planning on getting a new mic soon though! I'm glad you liked the video though, thanks!
Great Video And this is coming from a long Time batman fan
Loved how u included clips from Mask of the Phantasm!
Such a great film
Im getting 80th anniversary for christmas and will see it for the first time
My favorite is under the redhood
Excellent analysis.
But I've always thought that Batfleck was already that hopeless even before the Superman showed up.
Because his 20 year-run of being the Batman showed him that it amounted to nothing.
But he couldn't stop wearing the cape and cowl because he has nothing else to do and no one else to be, which makes him grieve over his parents even more.
So he has grown even more hateful towards anything he deems wrong.
And seeing the criminals cower in fear and pain maybe alleviates the pain for a bit, and probably enjoys it.
And so it has become a drug.
And the Martha scene was the wake-up call.
I find it such an endlessly thought-provoking discussion
@@ProductionJournal It is.
Nolan's Batman trilogy made me a Batman and DC fan, but so far, Batfleck is the best version of Bruce Wayne/Batman.
In my opinion.
Here from the brown table sub
Oh awesome! Thanks man! Glad to see ya 😁
God dam! This is just beautifully put together, beautifully tragic but yet hopeful and mentally strengthening,
It has so much to show the real and damaged would we live in today, to emphasise what choice is to someone, the true psychology of this has help me through out the years and this just fully completes the true meaning, and I believe it's a strong basis to show how much we need to look at the duality of our own human existence, and rise and embrace the fear we live with and don't acknowledge,
Its something to idolise a comic book hero, but it is something else and the impact it can have in the real world.
Thank you,
Loved the video and analysis! Also made me think that only sups could’ve helped Batman in BvS giving him hope (although unknowingly) only a "monster" can fight a "nightmare"
When the context is so deep that you wonder... did you make it up to sound smarter and deep-thinking.
Love the video - definitely thought provoking.
A lot of what I spoke about were actual intended meanings in the films! But yeah I gotta take some creative liberties here and there haha
I do love a more in-depth look at the things we enjoy as observer to apply to our own lives; morals, dilemmas etc.
Thoroughly enjoyed the video. Made me like Batman a little more than usual.
What a God, you appreciate 3 iterations of the character without taking shits on any of them. I truly respect you man. Thank you for opening my eyes to Batman: Forever as well.
Aw thanks mate! I feel like it's always healthier to take a positive approach to critiquing and reviewing something that you're passionate for so I tried to do just that
You reminded us Batman Forever had his highs alongside his lows, i sorta remember them, but maybe it's time for a rewatch
I often wonder if the alienation of Dick Grayson so much a part of his origin as Nightwing is a bit of Bruce’s choice and not just a consequence of his obsession; A conscious decision to alienate Dick from his own darkness and the path of being The Batman, to encourage him to make a choice.
I love this.
great job big man, desperately needs more views
Haha thank you! Please share the video to friends and family if you can! I'd greatly appreciate it!
Nice video laddy
The reason why he continues to do these the answer lies in The Dark Knight rises movie " The idea was batman can be anyone batman is a symbol" , as a man flesh and blood he can die but as a symbol he can live forever. He was hoping that if he grow old and die someone will take his place and principles.
I bet your parents taught you.... that you MeAn SoMeThInG
ThAt You'Re HeRe FoR a ReAsON
My parents taught me a different lesson
WHEN THEY DIED IN THE GUTTER FOR NO REASON AT ALL.
They taught me that the World only makes sense....
WHEN YOU FORCE IT TO.
Batman is my favorite comic book hero...he is human with no actual super powers..that makes the character legit in my mind as he could be a real personality
Seeing batman suffer in bvs hurts to watch because he was/is a man trying to do good trying to stop people from becoming like him.
His superpower is wealth & will 😄
I love Batman Forever
Batman Forever is my favorite Batman movie.
This video is a m a s t e r p i e c e
Thank you
Great as always! I’ve gotten so used to the Dark Knight Trilogy and Arkham games that I never really had any second thought to Batman Forever and BvS.
I hope one day you explore why Batman and Joker compliment each other like no other villain and hero ever will.
Order vs. Chaos.
What makes Batman so enduring to me is that he embodies “order.” By brute force, fear, cunning and crime solving. All that is chaotic, all that is unlawful, all that is disorder he dismantles those things piece by piece until everything is made right. Until order is restored. That one aspect of his nature has always been enduring and why his polar opposite, Joker, has always been extraordinarily complimentary. The yin and the yang.
Guess what? That's my next video...!!!
Daam, I was going to use that for a video of mine, Sigestion: read Scott Snyder run, especially endgame
@@lucascrispim5409 Nobody is stopping you from making the video, I'd love to see it!
Great video 👍
Oh shit.... I just realized in Batman Forever Batman essentially created Robin when he couldn’t stop two face. Makes you wonder if the Batman mantle or persona is fated to continue perpetually....bro that’s wild.
Great video
very cool
I never thought this would happen but this video gave me a certain respect for batman v superman.
I mean i still dont realy like the movie but seeing batman as the villain makes a lot of sense and realy switches my point of view on snyders work.
every batman movie is more darker then the previous one
Except for The Lego Batman Movie. Which is an amazing movie nonetheless
#restorethesnyderverse #BenAffleckBatmanSeries
Excellent video you just earned another sub! I still don't like batman forever and batman and robin as they were big tone shifts burton films were much darker vs forever and batman and robin were mostly made to just sell kid toys
But still an interesting video good job!!
Thank you!
As soon as I heard that batman is all about choices I responded with "and that's why the telltale games are so perfect"
I also made a huge review on Telltales Batman on this channel 😂
@@ProductionJournal I literally watched it the video before this so it was fresh on my mind
This was incredible. And what was really amazing was that you made me appreciate Batman v Superman (a movie I despised) and finally made it make sense.
Yo! I missed a video, but i am back, glad you are too! Fraking good video mate. Keeping production quality and writting in tip-top shape. Love your choice of topic too, though like always, i have a slightly different perspective than you on the minor details!
Thanks for the kind words! And of course, if we agreed on everything then the world would be a boring place
@@ProductionJournal True that! Keep it up mate, your videos are pretty damn bitchin', hope your channel grows so more people can see your stuff, you should be up there with HiTop and the rest with how polished your videos are.
Absolute banger of a video, man. I can't wait to see what's next ✊
I want a Batman Beyond movie.......
This is good. The first 2 hours of BVS ultimate edition were absolute love but the Martha scene(idea was good) was executed poorly
And one that always puzzled me was if Batman had his inflection point after he gave up on killing Superman and decided to save Martha, he still kills those goons at the warehouse (also the dudes in the car with his plane) so it really felt like a bummer. That inflection point should've made Batman come back to the light and stop killing(because the purpose of him killing, his hunt for Superman, was done)
In defense it was mostly in self defense against a group of heartless mercenaries; he did make a promise to himself at Clark’s funeral that though he failed Clark in life but he won’t in death, saying that he will now try to become who he use to be again with his faith in humanity restored because of Clark’s sacrifice. Plus the whole Martha was probably done better than people claim imo, Clark wasn’t intended to fight Bruce but it was Bruce that demonized his view of Clark for over a year and it was Clark pleading to the guy about to kill him to save someone else rather than himself.
What a breakdown of one of the most complex fiction characters ever! Especially the Batman vs Superman analysis was so apt and opened a new perspective for me. Never ever saw it the way you explained. Great video, great editing and great narration. 🙌
Thank you! Next month I'll be covering Tim Burton's Batman '89!
Nice video! Really enjoyed it!
Great Essay. Thank you.
algorithm time
My boy at it again with W's as usual
(9:48) hahahjahahahahahaha!!!
Great video, I am Batman
this is soo good! you should do pt. 2 but only with Matt Reeves’ Batman!
I absolutely will be doing that one day! I love that film!
Harry potter and batman are my fav characters ever
Yes I love Batman
Goddamn bro, this is seriously one of the best analysis videos I've seen! Great job with one.
Amazing video!
Love the video
Thank you!
Please do a essay on Superman!! He's so misunderstood because people see him either as boring boy scout or overpowered and stale. I believe he is the greatest of all the superheroes IMO
I've got plans for it very soon! Keep an eye out for it!
@@ProductionJournal ok I'll subscribe to your channel so I won't miss it👍
Great video analysis of the Batman in film but I'm a bit puzzled as to how the Burton Films were omitted from the analysis. Though I don't blame since the Burton Films highlight how Batman is the true identity while Bruce Wayne is merely a mask.
I've always felt that the Burton films never quite did anything great with Bruce Wayne. I loved the dark and brooding aesthetic and the theme of isolation however there wasn't anything across the two Burton films that really stood out to me with interest (nothing, at least, that the films I spoke about here did any differently). I originally had them in my script but cut them out when there wasn't really any insights I could provide!
@@ProductionJournal Fair enough. The Burton Films did more with the Batman identity than Bruce Wayne. Batman 89 had Wayne equally mysterious, socially reclusive and Vicky Vale as a love interest/Journalist served to break him out of his shell abit. The Joker killing helped incorporated him into the Batman Mythology. With Batman Returns, Wayne is more sociable and fully immersed in the Batman Identity. With Selina Kyle/Catwoman he found a sort of kinship due to her own conflict with duality but no relationship would ever work between them. Penguins ongoing resentment at society being dumped in the sewer by his parents for his deformity manifested itself in genocidal manners. Still BR was more Burton than Batman. The psychological aspects were reserved for the villains. Under Burton, Batman was as ruthless as the criminals he hunted.
@@Senate300 Yeah exactly! The Burton films would be great for an analysis on Batman in pop-culture!
@@ProductionJournal The Joel Schumacher Films focused too much on being child friendly to the point where any depth to them were overlooked as you've highlighted with Batman forever. Schumacher's Gotham was a perfect neon metropolis that looked like it had an impressive nightlife rather than a crime ridden Hell on Earth, which is what I remember most. With Batman Forever, Bruce Wayne's evolution on his view of Batman went from being a curse to a choice.
Dare I say Batman = Michael Jordan.
Thank you for finally giving credit and appreciation to Batman Forever. I know many people do not like the movie but I absolutely love Batman Forever.
Absolutely awesome production bro your work is seriously impressive and entertaining ❤️
Thank you! It took a while to make so I really appreciate your positivity!
Hi man, love your vids, just one question:
Where can i find that comment you quoted?
Thanks
Thank you! If you follow this link, the comment should be pretty close to the top and has a lot of likes
ua-cam.com/video/7wOEYL_DQu0/v-deo.html
@@ProductionJournal LOL i was actually suspecting it was going to be this one!
Thanks man, keep up the good work!
17:25 this why BvS is bad! He already is a ruthless murderer driven by fear and hatred!!!
Not really
@@jawadnasir60061 funny how you dont mention any arguments to support your point. It almost seems as if there are none 🤔
As much as I dislike Ben Afflecks Batman and feel that Snyder doesn’t understand the character, I feel like his Batman could’ve worked very well had he not actually killed anyone. Him trying to kill Superman would’ve been much more effective if he had to justify it to himself as his first murder, deluding himself. Then after sparing Clark’s life he completes his arc and realised his wrongdoings, meaning he can have a great character story, without avoiding the consequences of killing people. It was also ruined by the fact that afterwards he goes on to kill more people, despite the fact that he was supposed to be against that.
I quEStiOn tHe SinCeRitY reGardIng hOw MucH of A BaTmaN fAn yoU ArE
I prefer Superman and Captain America. Simply because of their old timer morals - which is something we desperately need (old timer morals) In this day & age.
Batman is the greatest Superhero of all time. A terrible tragedy happened to him but instead of letting the situation control him, he got up, stopped whining and took control of the situation and set meaningful goals for himself. Batman can own anything and everything and yet he chooses to spend his money on charity and on his mission as Batman to rid the world of crime sacrificing his body, health, joy and peace in the process. He is our collective rage at injustice and oppression. He is a man searching the dark alleys of his mind to bring balance to an unjust world. He is a social activist. When we step back to gaze long upon the great Batman tapestry, when we look for the common thread woven through it by Kane, Finger, Fox, O’Neil, Englehart, and that endless line of creators, those who have come and gone as well as those who are still weaving, what do we see? We see a hero. We see someone we’d want on our side, a figure we’d love to call forth from our shadows and hurl at those who would do us wrong. We see that part of ourselves that wants to scare all of life’s bullies away,
and we like it. He is driven. He is like a revolutionary who stands up to tyrants or the activists who fight against great odds to make this world a better place. Out of tragedy, great good can arise.
damn, great video!!
Thank you!
Batman is not a regular human, he has trained his mind and body far beyond any normal man, add to that his use of technology and forensic science and the you have what I think is termed a meta human.
DC made a god Superman and maybe thought a god wouldnt fight the world war 2, so one year later they made the most tragic and most relatable superhero the batman, if people started reading this it would make them want to be Batman over superman. The movies just went a step ahead with comics after the war, they made him even more realistic with all his pain coming one after the other through years eg robins death, barbara's incident and so on. They made him a superhero who we can relate to with our own personal demons. Batman is the mortal superhero who can never die.
Wow...really great work!! Let's see what Matt Reeves comes up with...💥🦇💥
Ben Affleck best Bruce Wayne, best Batman.
21:11
"So he would turn out like you?"
"So that he wouldn't."
OMFG I get it. The "Lazarus " pit. Is perfect the trilogy starts and end with Ra and Talia.
This is amazing
Thank you dude! Please share it around if you can!
Congratulations on an analysis of the Batman in BvS that finally makes sense. I was so disgusted with that depiction, that it never even occurred to me that this was deliberately showing a Batman gone mad. I still don’t like the movie, but your thoughtful analysis gives me something to think about.
Thank you! My goal isn't to make people like the movie or Ben Afflecks version of the character, but offer a different perspective and my own insight. I'm glad you enjoyed it!
People Hate What They Don't Understand
@@blackadamrockzzz4439 lmfao assuming people don't understand some superhero movie. I swear snyderites are the most pretentious arrogant little pricks. I don't know what's worse, defending a horrendously delivered mediocre bore, or thinking you're smart while doing it
@@kushastea3961
People Hate-Fear What They Dont Understand
@@blackadamrockzzz4439 and people glorify sh*t like how nazis glorify Hitler. Or how snyderites glorify snyder lol
👏....bravo. this was perfect. Good job.
All it takes is one bad day. Scary how true this is ...
His analysis of the "Dark Knight" trilogy is the reason why I love the trilogy, in the first place.
This is so underrated
Damn Jaden that was preety deep. -Love C.E
Wonderful video man! Very well done! You truly understand the character
Aw thank you! Stick around for a while if you want to see some more Batman content 👍
I don’t like BVS but I loved how you explained it
I've been searching for the best analysis video on batman but couldn't until I clicked on your video. Everything was OUT OF THIS WORLD. Your storytelling was phenomenal. Man I wish this video was atleast 60 mint long. The ending gave me goosebumps. Keep the good work up buddy and InshaAllah one this video will hit 1 million. Last but not least please make another video on batman but this time on his animated movies. I'll be waiting for that masterpiece
Thank you so much! I really appreciate that! A video that I'm now working on (hopefully before the Snyder Cut releases) will be about Superman!
Batman forever isn’t that deep tbh lol
Great video but Turn you microphone down