I want to also mention that digital releases are great on platforms like GOG, where DRM isn't a thing and I can back up those install files to my own server and install games without any online launchers or accounts. Check out the newest Podcast episode: ua-cam.com/video/pm6sUW26knE/v-deo.html
I’m sure their investors wants. It’s the Uber-model - offer convenience at a low price point and once you have consumers in a stranglehold you up prices to recoup the initial losses in the “nice guy”-face, and now the consumers have nowhere else to go because the competitors have been wiped out. It’s what Microsoft are doing with all their acquisitions, they don’t give a single shit about making great games, it’s all about market share %. From a business perspective it’s the natural continuation of the move towards “games-as-service” Steam started. The only way of stopping it is if consumers speak with their wallets, and as we all know by now, gamers certainly won’t. They’ll make any old excuse to themselves why this one hyped game is okay to pre-order etc. We all know it. People have been putting up with exceedingly expensive hardware that won’t even run games at a stable framerate because optimisation hardly is a thing anymore. People happily shell out $1000 for a GPU that will be obsolete in 12 months and won’t be able to run the newest games already on the market because they are utterly broken. The games industry treats us all like fools because that is what we collectively are.
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@@StickOfTruthso what Amazon did is called the "Uber-model"?
Everyone I play with on xbox has gamepass, so I wouldn't say its something no one wants. It comes with gold so your essentially paying £4 a month for the games which for me more than pays for starfield and payday 3, yeah I don't get to keep those games but once I 100% starfield I probably won't play for a few years anyway, I also got a 3 month free crunchyroll subscription too which I'm enjoying.
There are a fuck ton of people that would rather have a collection of digital games than lug around a case with games they gotta swap around, especially when there’s a risk of the cartridge/disk breaking. It’s way more convenient and you don’t need Internet to play the games just to install them.
It's really not crazy. The agenda at play is you will own nothing and be happy WEF is here to stay. Apple and other companies have already been planning on doing the same thing. Renting out their products to their customers instead of owning.
They see games as a commercial product… where as most of us including me, see games as pieces of art like a painting from da Vinci himself to be perserved for all of time…
What are you talking about? You pay literally $10 a month for 400 games. Talk all the shit you want about Physical media, you can't play games cheaper than game pass. You don't own the 400 games, but you have access to them. Maybe I am crazy, but I rented most of the games I played anyway. Muta is the one who is disingenuous because he doesn't agree with the idea that some people don't care about physical media. Just because he is a pro physical media doesn't mean anyone is being"facetious" something he doesn't seem to know the meaning of.
This is why piracy will never go away. Whether you support it or not, people will still do it. Except now, it's going to include people that would pay for it, but will NOT purchase the game if they can't own their copy in perpetuity. The companies are biting themselves in the ass long term.
Exactly. I've argued this in Nintendo forums with fans, who are understandbly upset with pirated Nintendo games. Nintendo are notoriously anti-emulation, but if they were not so anti-consumer i.e. shutting down stores, lack luster virtual console and not giving Nintendo fans what they want, emulation may not have grown to be as popular as it is today. Pirates are going to pirate no matter what, but corporate greed makes pirates of once legitimate consumers. I was a huge Apple fan back in the day and purchase hundreds of movies and tv shows via iTunes amassing a 1000+ iTunes media library. Until I began to realize the constrictive nature of Apple's proprietary format .m4V and iTunes gatekeeping i.e. had to log in and authenticate into iTunes to watch my videos, can only really use iTunes etc.. A sunken cost fallacy is a trap, however I managed to replace all my iTunes media via physical discs and ripped them to my storage devices into .MKV formats. The process took a couple years and of course expensive to duplicate my entire library, BUT it allowed me to actually own my content that I bought as well as more freedom to play it on any device and software without being restricted to iTunes. This is the same with games. I was all in into Steam, then I migrated to GoG and looking for ways to duplicate my once Steam library into DRM-free alternatives.
Long-term? What long-term? Most of the companies had shifted to making as much money as possible, as quick as possible, breaking laws and disregarding everything in their way. Like parasites, sucking shares values from one company and moving to other. And the best thing is - they get caught, then they're sorry. And yet there are still people who defend them. And the cycle continues.
No, they're taking a hit now to make it a permanent in the future. Like unity, they know they're screwing certain people but if they get the cash rolling in from the big fish then they don't care. Every publisher knows now are lean times, so now's the best time to push something like this so it becomes ubiquitous tomorrow. If they can weather the storm and not pull a unity they'll have a stronger position and then because that's the new normal, we pay or we don't play. It's not about doing what's right anymore, it's about not being the one on the bottom and then needing to pull a unity to keep being profitable.
Oh no, they will absolutely kill piracy in the future. Piracy will be dead once streaming for video games becomes good and a feasible thing. You won't be able to download any games. You'll be forced to stream games, which will ensure no one gets access to the game files. Then they will charge hourly for games, and if they decide to stop providing service to a game, it will disappear forever. This is the wonderful future that awaits us, thanks Microsoft. 2023: Purchase Digital Games 2050: Streaming Games at an Hourly rate
One of my favorite examples as to why digital-only is TERRIBLE is Scott Pilgrim. The game used to disappear entirely. I am so glad LRG revived it and got a physical edition out there, but it generally shows the issues of Digital-Only releases.
Even if games could still be preserved digitally, we still should never phase out physical media. Fans love to collect and there's a certain magic to owning your game and opening the box that simply pressing A will never be able to replicate. This goes for all forms of physical media as well. Not just gaming.
@@ctg4818I was going to mention how many CDs are probably at the bottom of the ocean or sitting in some toxic dump. Without sarcasm too. We can’t just keep throwing shit into piles. It’s unsustainable, wether climate change is real or not.
@@heyjeySigmaas a zoomer your sadly correct, most of us are too lazy or anxiety ridden to even go to the shop a buy a physical copy (even tho they are literally way cheaper than the crap sold on Sony or Microsoft storefronts) lmao.
@@dopaminedreams1122 You may be a zoomer but at least you admit to your weakness and you're honest, and i like that. You're good in my book, and yes you're right
people dont realize how important physical media really is. All it takes is a power outage, internet outage, bad updates, etc. before digital only starts to seem like a bad idea. not to mention not being able to resell games, let friends borrow them, trading games, etc.
@@GaiaLegend yea I understand from their perspective (obviously don’t agree with it). What I don’t understand is why the average joe is so ready to abandon physical media cause they’re too lazy to take 10 secs to switch a disk. Insanity
I feel like we're in a time where economic problems in our world are starting to reach their boiling point and are even affecting the video games industry
The games aren't being deleted, they're just being put to the side for now till they're re-released and they charge you more for the same game... or less.
Gamepass is being offered at a loss to encourage people to get used to paying for games through subscription. As we've seen with streaming services, they don't intend to offer the same breadth of content for low prices forever. They'll gradually reduce the available games and ramp up the price, and probably introduce tiers with some content behind additional paywalls. It's actually really manipulative and sinister.
It is. I really don't understand the folks who look at a 'small' subscription fee, and think it's a great deal, when they want you to pay that 'small' fee in perpetuity forever. It's just so myopic. "$5 a month! Forever? And I own nothing? Wow! What a deal!" It's no different to a friend who charges you to play on his Xbox for $5 a month. Now, not to say people don't benefit from Gamepass, it's great if you just wanna try a bunch of stuff, and don't like replaying games you've completed. But I want to own it. I want to be in control of when I get to play it and not be pressured to use the subscription. I like watching the same shows over and over.
so now if u wanan play a game lets say Silen Hill (and assume its on GP) how are u gonna play that game?cause remember that game doesnt have a physicall release?so either u play it digitally or u dont play it at all@@elhazthorn918
@elhazthorn918 for 1 dollar i got to try the god aweful remastered version of sanandreas, back 4 blood at release, grounded, the descenders and i got my fix of skate 3.. Quite good value for 1 dollar, but i would still rather buy and play these games on another platform than to use the xbox store if at all possible. To constantly pay for the subscription to play a few games is insane for me, specially when the price is 15 dollars for ultimate, which some games like Skate 3, fusion frenzy etc requires. The sad part is these same games are not possible to buy on pc and you would need to pirate, which im too lazy to do..
That’s how all streaming service work and it honestly won’t work. People will just private music before they pay $20 a month for them. And if the offering on game pass is too limited, they just won’t buy game pass. The only way you’d continue pay a bunch of money for services like this is if the entire market were captured. But it isn’t and never will be because it’s so profitable to just sell games. Like Activision was never gonna out call of duty on gamepass and the only reason they are now is because they were bought by Microsoft. Most other publishers will not follow this direction
Where are these free markets that capitalism is based on? It's all regulation's and corporation colleges lobbying for their own interests. Capitalist's worst enemy is another one. You want to get rid of it as soon as possible to dominate the markets.
@@tostadorafuriosa69 This is what happens when capitalism goes unchecked. Society has to have more substance than just materialism, otherwise we end up in a world like this.
It’s always a treat seeing new videos of muta explaining why physical media is still important along with having an ownership to owning a video game instead of having to rent it the rest of your life not knowing that at any point in time it could get taken away from you and there’s nothing you could do about it.
I went to a used games store recently, and I legitimately got excited when I found XCOM EU, RDR Undead Nightmare, and Resistance 3 compared to buying a modern game online
With how ingrained physical media is in games, a part of me doubts that a full digital future is very unlikely. The industry is going to shoot itself in the foot if people can't own their games, like the parents who refuse to get digital for their kids, or whatever else the reason. Xbox is going to fizzle out if they go all in on this, same with everyone else. As long as demand for videogames exist, there will also be a demand for physical media.
This is what I've been saying for years. Even when movies and TV shows have gone full streaming for a while, DVDs are still being printed. Worse case scenario for games is that companies will print less copies of physical games, but there will always be copies available for people
Haven’t watched the video yet but I have been thinking going back to physical copies because when my internet goes out I want to be able to play my games correctly
It's ingrained in older generations, it's not ingrained in younger generations. As time goes on everything is becoming more digital and honestly it's a inevitability. So Xbox might fizzle out in its current form, but microsoft will probably have a different product to offer, like gamepass or whatever.
Could say the same about the average gamer and "content creators" They hate all these publishers and games allegedly but instantly preorder and spend $100's for 5 days early access on the latest games that's how hypocritical and damaging they truly are to the industry Microsoft wouldn't be doing this if gamers and these hypocritical creators actually had STANDARDS AND VOTED WITH THEIR WALLETS PUTTING THEIR MONEY WHERE THEIR MOUTHS ARE
The people in charge of the companies are business people. Business people don't care about consumers. They care about money. Thus, they make decisions to try and maximize profits and so long as they keep making money, they don't give a crap.
They hate us because we call them out and make it hard for them to get away with a good portion of cheap tactics they wish they could pull off. It's not perfect, but if we didn't do this at all, they would be doing way more. Us doing everything we can is why they disdain and hate us big time.
I'm old school and love holding a physical copy of a game in my hands, be it a physical disc or cartridge. Game preservation should be very important for any gamer whether casual or hard-core. It should also be important to Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo too.
Game companies are just too greedy to not take advantage of digital sales. A major part of the problem is consumers not boycotting. The gaming industry needs that bud light energy if you want any change.
I will ALWAYS purchase the physical version of any game whenever possible. There is nothing more satisfying to me as a collector than building my own physical library of the games I love. The day digital content completely takes over will be a sad day for both collectors and preservationists.
Yeah, honestly. You can even find physical games cheaper than digital, since the digital storefronts always charge top dollar, but the brick and mortar stores need to move stock. If physical goes away, all the power is given to the big corporations.
@@elhazthorn918 oh yeah and I think that’s the direction we are heading sadly. The gamer has no power anymore. Xbox is gamepass hungry and ps is $ hungry as well
I don't think digital revolution would be so terrible, AS LONG AS you're able to back up your library to your own storage yourself. Be it discs, a NAS server, whatever. Ecologically speaking, less plastic for discs and packaging would be great, but not if it makes us all "renters."
I will never defend all digital anything, no matter whos doing it. When Sony and Microsoft dropped their "all digital" consoles, I just remember thinking to myself "Who would buy this shit?"
Exactly no one wants a future where you don't own anything cuz no one will be truly happy only owning something with someone be truly happy what Microsoft and other companies are trying to do is stupid and it will just be the hilarious end of themselves this is why companies shouldn't exist they don't lead invotion just greed.
I love admiring my Steam library, but there's no replacement of the satisfaction I get pulling out my disc book with all my physical media. I totally get Muta's love for having a physical copy of a game.
@@dankmemes8254They are not pro consumer at all but the platform is decent atleast. UI is slowly becoming worse each year and the performance of the client and phone app is bad. Download speeds unmatched though.
@@dankmemes8254 I don't get why valve is really seen that way. I guess the longevity of Steam has proven that it won't just disappear on you, but at the same time there's no guarantee it won't which is the whole argument against sony, MS, Nintendo, etc.
I like my physical collection too, but let's go over the facts. Steam was ahead of the curve. Modern PCs do not lack disk drives because of Steam, they lack disk drives because put plainly they are slower in every dimension. You never needed disks for gaming. And they have a shorter shelf life than your Steam account. They were just the cheapest way at the time. Keep them around for your consoles, otherwise back your games up on as many drives as you can and crack them if you are really worried about your consumer rights. Yes, it would be nice to have at least the option of a physical copy, but now you don't have to worry about that shit getting scratched up. If you were around back then, you remember the disk protector bullshit that was a huge waste of time and money. You remember the toothpaste and the coke and the praying your game would turn on and work. I would take the quality of games back then over what we have now - modern gaming is complete trash - but dicking around with all that is shit we don't need to go back to. Other hardware in our lives gives us enough trouble. Consider becoming an electrician and making money off your pain.
@@SpartanArmy117 Valve IS NOT seen as a pro-consumer company. Large majority of people hate Valve and think their Steam account will be closed for no reason or the service will just fall dead one day. Weird. I was alive in the age of disks. I had to re-buy them because they get scratched up, had to buy disk protectors, had to fuck around with coke and toothpaste to get the games working. I've never had to make more than one Steam account.
Paying $60+ just for a license to play a game is something I'll never do unless there's absolutely no other option anymore. I'm just glad there are still people who understand and appreciate the importance of physical media.
"...unless there's absolutely no other option anymore." And that's why games companies keep treating you like sh1t - because "consumers" always give them a get-out clause. Consumers with no backbones who can't keep their wallets shut are the problem here.
I'm glad modders will always be able to figure out a solution. The Wii U for example already has a ton of stuff you could never access without a modded system because they killed the digital store. I like collecting physical games but if the discs rot away or anything like that I'm not that worried because every system eventually gets emulated and fully dumped online by the community. The consoles and peripherals are pretty crucial though for an authentic experience, which is why I'm glad Atari is making a new 2600 that actually supports original cartridges and controllers, hopefully any future classic consoles take note
I don't know Xbox One will probably never get Modded any time soon since it has all the problems with the all online thingy and needed to log in every now and then
I'd say that sadly this is nothing new. Just remembering Activision doing the same with Overwatch (deleted for Overwatch 2.0 making the disk version worthless) and Destiny 2 (deleting the original data, maps and all other things - making disk version worthless) shows that these companies really do not care about preservation. The way their higher ups and production teams think, just shows that they only want what Mr. Krabs is obsessed about.
Destiny 2 deleting things was to make room for more content, no matter what happened it was bad for everyone and why should devs be so worried about disc version and worry about the minority?
@@Blue-qt8ms Um, because they bought the game so they should be able to fuckin play it? Bungie didn't have to delete anything, they could have made the original game and everything else two optional downloads. That way you can save space once you finish the first half by uninstalling it, while at the same time not making it completely lost. Destiny 2 is a perfect example of why online only games are a horrible idea. Saying it was bad for everyone is just untrue, and you're deluding yourself by defending Bungie's decision to outright delete the game that 500 million people bought.
@@landonkam6727The original Destiny 1 disc (same with D2) says “online-only” on the label. WHY WOULD YOU BUY THESE GAMES PHYSICAL TO BEGIN WITH? It’s literally just a stupid people tax, if you think buying it physically gives you access to the content on the disc forever. If the servers are dead, it’s unplayable, if you don’t update, it’s unplayable. These kinds of games should *ABSOLUTELY* be allowed to exist, just not in physical form. Have people already forgotten WOW and that every expansion originally came on physical disc’s too, even though the moment a new expansion came out all previous disc’s became useless?
@@mhdj14 I agree, games like destiny shouldn't exist in a physical form at all. However destiny does and because of that we should hold it to the same standard. If it has a physical release, it should be able to be played without an internet connection from the moment you buy it.
both Xbox and Sony have this problem, Sony even dedicating an entire version of their consoles to it. I want to be able to actually own the games I buy, and physically sell the games I make. the market needs to move away from digitally owning games, music, ect, and begin buying physical copies again
The way you brought up how the XBone was clowned on back in the day for requiring internet, requiring kinect, requiring the games not to be pre-used really puts into perspective how folks have gradually come to accept the small, insidious compromises over the last decade and by a grand majority wouldn't care less about any of those issues now.
Exactly, I got an Xbox One S for my birthday back in 2022 and it's so ironic how people still shit on it to this day. If the Xbox series S was released at E3 back in 2013 instead of the Xbox One people would be clowning on it as well.
Having a physical collection is absolutely important for me, and not just for preservation’s sake. Sure, it’s convenient to have a digital library, but there’s just something about the experience of opening a case and inserting a disc or a card on a console that can’t be replicated. I even went out of my way and pre-ordered a Japanese physical copy of Like A Dragon Gaiden because Sega bafflingly refused to release the game on that format in the West.
Fr, it’s Im the same with forza, because of those games being delisted, how am I going to play the older forza titles if they faze out the disc drives? 😐
It's just as we feared since their announcement in gaming in the 90s. Microsoft's trojan horse has always been "be the nice guy" until they lock a particular target market. I remember when I was in the military in the late 90s when MS announced the Xbox, during a time when movies were made about their anti-trust/anti-consumer practices. I was ambitious in the tech industry (post service) and us "geeks" were all concerned of how they could damage gaming. Only a few were hyped about Xbox (though they skewed that with aggressive marketing). OG Xbox was relatively decent, but compared to the competition it wasnt close and still had a huge hill to climb. Then 360 hit and it was godlike. Then microtransactions. Then Xbone, and the draconian bs we all feared nearly came with it. Now here we are with subscriptions and monetizing everything. :/
The og xbox was actually a really good console and more powerful than anything at the time. It actually has plenty of games that play in 720p and a couple in 1080.
@@Wunderhassyou know online gaming on consoles was free until Microsoft realized they could make millions off of servers that virtually cost nothing to run?
Microsoft just waited until their target market aged out long enough for the market to forget how anti competitive they were. We should’ve worked this out when they put a paywall in front of online play but we were enamored with the 360 and the bangers that were being released at the time. Halo 2, 3, Gears of War. Now that we’ve had time to see the result it’s not great.
This digital (read: download-only) exclusivity is pretty consistent with Microsoft stating some time ago that video games are now considered a service, and no longer a product. Whether one thinks it's a good or a bad thing depends entirely on his/her current perspective of how the gaming industry is going at the moment.
I think a part of the problem is that video games haven't changed in price for a long time, so instead of raising prices, companies will find every way to save money, and that means getting rid of physical copies so they can eliminate the entire production line.
True. This is actually a fair point that i have thought about as well. I’m sure the devs prefer this as well because they probably get to see more of that money in there pocket. Video games are going to become the new pokemon when it comes to a secondary market. Shoot little second hand shops still sell old gamcube exclusives at full price because they know they can.
Theyve been charging years now for extra stuff to more than make up for it. They constantly push battle passes, dlc, skins, packs and more. They have made up the money they lost in newer greedier ways. cant wait to pay $90-100 for a half finished game that also comes with a regular battlepass, a premium battlepass, and an accelerated battlepasses and dont forget 3 dlcs for 70 a piece just because people like you just take being fked over and dont complain about predatory practices.
@@christonchev9762Most of us? Physical media is so valued that even old and antiquated tech like vinyls are popular. People like physical media, they like collecting physical objects
@@EggEnjoyerThat's a poor comparison, vinyl is a very high quality form of music playback and has remained that way. Other media simply hold value because of nostalgia and availability.
As great as gamepass is, I believe it is killing making of good games and promotes monotization through micro -transactions as they can't make money through selling the game.
The concept of microtransactions in full AAA games becomes even more incredulous in Microsoft's idealized perfect world where everybody just rents from them. You spend those dozens, even hundreds of dollars on your cool little skins, and they're all gone too once M$ decides to pull your game from circulation in game pass, or you just stop paying the sub. Paying hard money to "own" something in a game that you never had ownership of in the first place. It would sound like a completely shameless racket in any other industry than this one.
I remember buying a physical copy of Skyrim back when it released and didn't realize it was just a steam key. Had really bad internet here back then so had to leave my PC at a friend's house for an entire week downloading the 5 gig update at like 12 to 30kbs. One of my fonder memories is finding out I didn't need to insert a disc anymore for Fable 3 once it was installed and being absolutely flabbergasted by that. Every other game required having the disc in.
@@BlackLivesMatter1414 Wish I could have. I think I was 15 years old when the game released. Went with some friends to the big city to stay there for a few days which is about a 10 hour drive from my place. But hey got it working in the end and I still have that copy with its booklet and map. I do remember after that I was super wary of buying games and had to check the back of the box every time to see if they needed an internet connection.
All these industries are trying to make the consumers perpetual renters and I'm happy that everyone is just like I want to own what I buy. I don't want a smart house that can be turned off if I decide I don't want to pay a subscription. I don't want to put hours into a game that the developer can take away even after I pay $75 for it. These industries need to understand that once a consumer buys a product, it no longer belongs to the company. It's extortion
That's why they make you sign contracts so that they can legally extort you in the fine print. We have already reached our dystopian future & it terrifies me every day now. As a species our best days are mostly behind us now as much as we hate to admit it. The fact is that nothing will last forever & that we can lose things at any time.
@@borginburkes1819 Pure Capitalism was a mistake & we aren't going to recover from it. Our world is burning & everything is going to an ever decreasing percentage of people. Expect to be gaslit frequently by propagandists protecting the horded wealth of their masters.
As someone who only buys digital, I can completely understand the reason people buy physical. I fucking hate how companies keep making the most anti consumer decisions possible and people continue to defend it.
@@TheKotor2309 Some people such as myself still prefer digital and i really dont see the problem with that. i see both sides but instead of getting mad at the people who prefer digital, you should direct that hate to the anti consumerist tactics that some very specific companies have put into place.
@@TheKotor2309it's not a crime to buy digital, you just can't buy digital and then be surprised when that game gets ripped from your hands by the company or when you run into specific issues that only pertain to buying digital
@@TheKotor2309 for example a company that's extremely shitty when it comes to digital downloads is ea.. I have need for speed hot pursuit remastered on my steam but in order to even play it you need to make an ea account and download their launcher even though you bought the game on steam.. and if you wanna play it offline well then good luck lmao. Get mad at companies who commit atrocities like that not the people who just want to enjoy the digital version of the game
Thats the issue. people mass those collections. eventually those games are gone to collect or play. where would the average gamer go to? pretty much if they want to do things legally they will have to rent their games. thus making it more popular to do. basically its inevitable whats going on. unless companies change their ways.
On PC you can kind of do it manually by storing the game files in whatever medium you want. Of course if it was using a storefront with built-in DRM it's a bit difficult, but nothing is stopping you otherwise. That presumes that you download the game first of course. Distributing PC games via disc died out a long time ago because a lot of PCs/laptops straight up don't have disc drives anymore lol. A solution could be to distribute via special USB drives, but those are expensive
GOG is the best bet we have. Steam is great, their linux portability is fucking amazing, letting me escape the ugly hellhole of Win11, but I wish they kinda nullify their DRM. Idk man, steam is the best bet for my broke 3rd world ass.
If you have all the files to that game on your PC, backing them up with be the next best thing. As nice as Steam is, it's still DRM. GOG's DRM free philosophy is more consumer-friendly.
I do not care much for the physical vs. digital debate. There are advantages and disadvantages to both. It always comes down to DRM. People who legitimately buy games should never be punished for doing so. The industry has a big problem when it comes to this in general. I appreciate physical copies, and they should always remain available, but there is always a bigger picture to look at here. Physical copies are great at preserving earlier builds of games, but with how many changes patches introduce these days, playing right off the disc with no updates is becoming less and less practical (note that I didn't say you can't do it).
Yeah...I see where Muta is coming from, but in a lot of cases, playing the 1.0 build of a game isn't something I want to do. I do still think I might start buying more physical copies just on principle though. Having the 1.0 build on a disc or cartridge is better than owning nothing.
@@giygas_9577 funnily enough, elden ring's 1.0 build most likely didn't have the spells balanced. like i played elden ring on launch and it was something where if you played a caster, the glintstone pebble was your best spell by far for like half the game.
Than dont do it lol. Im still playing the 1.0 build but updated it and like where some patchs led and go and behold they fked up my build. But now i dont have to deal with that since i didn't update passed the later builds and havin a blast.
Muta for like the past 4-6 months i’ve been watching your content consistently again after not watching since about 2021. Not only do you look healthier but I remember why I was so addicted to your content. Compared to people like Penguinz and Optimus or other people who make content like you, aren’t as informed on the topics they’re speaking about and don’t really take the time to fully research. With your videos you provide full evidence and not paraphrase a single article that helps your point.
Honestly, I think the problem is not having a disk or not, I belive the problem is DRM. You can simply have a copy of all of your games on a HDD (a physical and local one lol), it's just a different storage media. But, DRM will always require the dreaded Intenet connection, indepedently of installation media.
I think the issue with this debate is that a very small minority of disc riders think everyone else agrees with their weird obsession with putting stuff on a big shelf. They haven’t forgot players exist, you have forgot a majority of people playing games couldn’t drum up an ounce of care that they “don’t own” their game.
@@lapz78 They are astroturfing with bots. I dont understand why some people hate Microsoft that much. As a PC gamer I certainly consider the digital era the savior of games, not its death.
This has been an eye opening experience, I honestly didn't know how badly Microsoft has treated Physical Media, let alone preservation. They really shouldn't have ended that Backwards Compatibility program they were doing before, cause now everyone else I feel is taking advantage of their back catalog and rereleasing stuff up the butt, like just the other day the OG Tomb Raider trilogy got a rerelease announcement with gameplay to boot, which is a good start as any, as long as we all can push back over this anti preservation garbage enough, then companies will follow suit, especially more recently with that sinking feeling of the cons of an all digital future started to arrive, delistings, streaming service content jumping ship to another service you name it, it's likely we might be hitting a point where they'll be some laws put in place so us users and the companies that make this content to work under certain guidelines to not be as anti preservation and most importantly anti consumer, cause things like this are becoming more and more common with companies, with pushback and criticism following it like with Microsoft here, there will be changes coming, big ones.
Don't get me wrong, they are just as bad as Sony or Nintendo, but why are is Microsoft being singled out? Gamepass? It's just a really odd attack on Xbox when everyone in the industry is just as guilty.
@@SpartanArmy117Yes, Sony and Nintendo also do this, but I think Xbox is being singled out because of how brazenly they keep trying. And the more Xbox tries and succeeds, the more Sony and Nintendo will say, "Hey, they're getting away with it! Let's do it, too!" Not to mention how hard Xbox makes it for indies to print physical discs. Their minimum number to print is about 10x the amount PlayStation and Nintendo have as a minimum. Which is why Xbox tends to get the least physical versions.
During the tail end of the PS3/360 life cycle I switched pretty much completely over to digital. It saved me space, and more and more often it saved me money because I could buy a lot more games on sale than would normally be seen with physical disc copies. When I have friends who asked why I switched or told me they still used discs I scoffed at them and called them dumb since you still had to install a bunch of data on it anyway. While I do still find that to be true for a lot of games that rely heavily on online modes if you are going to be playing online a majority of your time I think it's a valid criticism. When it comes to more single player focused games where a fresh install is basically all you need to enjoy the full game plus or minus a few bugs here or there that could be alleviated by a newer update I will fully stand by physical media. It's incredibly important and as the previous generations of consoles physical media is slowly being bought up more and more and the prices for those discs, cases, what have you climb year after year it has become undeniable for someone who's digital library on the PS4/5 has almost reached about 500 games that on more than a few purchases, I wish I had the physical copy. I won't always have internet. PlayStation won't always be around, or allow us to play older games on the PS6-7-8s etc. Game Pass won't have all the same games this month as it will the next and the gaming companies know this and continue to throttle us, deceive us and try to manipulate us into thinking that physical media is a thing of the past because that means that we as consumers own what we purchased and they can't on a whim rip it away. There will be a period in all of our lives going forward when we can't play the digital games or at least purchase the ones on the stores because like the PS3/360 generations those storefronts are closing orphaning many games that those companies aren't likely to port onto newer consoles deriding emulation the whole way. We wouldn't have to emulate if they would just do a better job at game preservation. I'd happily pay over and over again for my favorite childhood games on newer hardware because I am a sucker. That may just be me but at least we would have them available. Remember when the big studios said that digital media would likely stay about 10 dollars cheaper since they don't have to pay for discs to be printed? That didn't last very long. Why am I paying the same price and not even getting something I can proudly display on a shelf that I don't have room for? Remember when we had demo discs? We wouldn't have had to worry about Konami taking P.T. from us if we still had those around.
It's the opposite for me. JB-Hifi regularly sells physical games at a fraction of the cost of digital. Nioh Collection on the PlayStation store? $100+ AUD. I got it at JB new for $40 AUD.
The main game I play (and honestly the only game I play) is The Sims 3, and I have the base game and all expansions on physical disk. I never bought into the idea of integrating my game into Steam or Origin (now the EA App) because I don’t truly feel like I’d own the game. With the thousands of hours I put into the game and the innumerable buildings I’ve created in the game, I’d be absolutely PISSED if I no longer had access because something went wrong with Steam or the EA App. Not to mention I want the option to play the game without Internet.
At one point I was all about digital releases, but then the reality set in that it can be a harmful to gaming in the future if a storefront goes down, you lose the games you bought if they don't provide ways to download your digital library of games. So nowadays I'll get physical copies of a game if there is one to get, and it doesn't require additional download from a server.
I don’t think Xbox were really ever dominating the gaming scene - they had a really good foothold and momentum going in the 360 era and then squandered it all with the One.
@@anishbasak3117 that’s kinda what I mean by how they were dominating that generation. I was the only one in my entire friends group that had a PS3, everyone else had 360’s, and really the only thing that held the PS3 back was the fact it was so difficult to develop for. Xbox only managed to dominate that generation because Sony made some technical mishaps with the PS3, and then we got every terrible business decision in the leadup to Xbone and PS4, and everything thereafter.
@@anishbasak3117 They weren't even doing that with the 360, due to the fact that of the 6-7 models (when it comes to the internals, there were 3 models that was released when it comes to the externals) they released of it only 1 didn't have a problem that could make it break or brick it in some way.
I agree on everything except the lazy part, i can get up and change the disc just fine, but the quality of life aspect of having everything digitally organized is simply a preferred choice- not that I'm lazy and have something wrong with me? Remember when we had a second disc to install all the data on and not require internet access? Sure wish i had enough money to build a pc capable of running an emulator past a Gameboy,,,
One problem even with physical media these days is that there is no guarantee that the full game is even on the disk. A perfect example of this is the Spyro Reignited Trilogy. The disk only contains the first game. The other two require a download. It’s not the only game to do this either. Edit: corrected which game. I initially said the Crash Bandicoot trilogy, but I was incorrect after looking it up. Edit 2: Wrote this comment prior to getting to the part in the video where Muta addresses this issue.
You literary can't play the original warcraft3 unless you have the original CD and even still you can't play it online becuse it ""upgrades"" to the reforged version forcing you to use 3rd party servers
@@DPAnime1415 like for example as a primary playstation fan I just enjoy their catalogue of games more .. I saw so many people bashing on every game in the state of play for no reason
We've seen it happened recently with Unity and Reddit. Once you are locked in the Xbox ecosystem they can just f you over and all you can do is cope because your library is in their system. It will eventually happen. Mark my word.
Could say the same about Steam but the vast majority of people dont care about that. GoG is cool for anyone who realizes they like to own at least a few pc games.
They don't want you to own the game. They don't even want you to remember the game past a year because they want you to keep buying/renting new disposable games/services.
If Netflix taught us anything its that the streaming model is flawed and doesn't work. Sure it might get you some short term income but given enough time the market gets saturated and customers start to reject paying 5 different companies a monthly subscription to watch the same content they used to get in one package. Also emulation is going to be a big factor in preservation in the future, both MS & Sony have built their last 2 generation consoles so that they're effectively unrepairable. Multiple critical components are all tied together and locked to the console ID meaning that, in 20 years when PS5 BD driver start failing there is literally nothing anyone can do to fix them.
Netflix is flawed and it doesn't work? Then how and why are they earning profits? 😂 dude the world where people line up to buy movies in DVDs are long gone it ain't coming back 😂
@@Ir-jq5kb And if you understood anything about business you'd know that that was a bad thing. See turns out having a theatrical release, a retail release then multiple distribution licenses on multiple different networks is much more profitable than having a theatrical release followed by dumping it on your own platform that you are paying the running cost for. Instead of selling the same movie 4, 5 or even 6 times they sell it once then make little (if anything) back after that because they are running the servers that are distributing the thing. I'll actually give you that in the case of NetFlix its actually not that big of a deal, they had no significant market presence before streaming but in the case of trad media the NetFlix business model is incredibly damaging and all the big trad media names that threw everything into streaming when it was hot shit are now realising they threw the baby out with the bathwater.
If you want to blame somebody, blame Valve. Steam was the platform that first popularised the idea of locking your purchased game to your account meaning you can't resell them. Steam is glorified DRM and Valve got away with it by having a comprehensive client. But if you have a 1.0 version of a game and no internet connection, you're gonna struggle to get the game working. The 1.0 version might not even work without a patch so you have no chance. And things have only gotten worse since as other companies took their blueprint to extreme lengths. Always on connection, microtransactions, lootboxes... the list goes on and on. Microsoft even forces you to pay a fee to play online. Unbelievable. The massive file sizes of games is also a big problem. If you don't have fast internet it's gonna take you forever to download a game. If you don't have unlimited data then you're gonna hit your data cap... So many issues...
I just find it weird and how he's supposed to be so knowledgeable and yet for some reason he refuses to blame pcgaming for starting this s*** in the first place. While PlayStation games and Xbox what's still 100% on board the physical copy thing PC gaming developers got rid of physical copies completely
@@mariobadia4553 Yeah I 100% agree. The Xbox 360 came out in 2005 and through its entire lifetime you could buy a game on disc, put it in the console and play without an internet connection. You could also sell your games second hand. Even the Xbox One allowed you to do this and that came out in 2013. Meanwhile, Steam came out in 2003, saw widespread adoption in 2004 when Half Life 2 came out and has been limiting customers ability to actually own, preserve and resell games ever since. Valve was the trendsetter in this regard. Consoles didn't start doing this until over a decade later.
@@sleepngnight Yes, I mentioned that in my OP. It's scummy and I'm legit surprised Valve never followed suit. It wasn't always the case though. PS3 had free online play. The point I was making is that the idea of limiting customer's rights began with Valve and consoles took the ball and ran with it, for better or worse. I'm also kinda surprised Steam never bothered to make their own game pass.
@@IAmFromTheYearI don't think Gabe had bad intentions, unlike Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo etc. They have vile corporate motivations, I don't get that same vibe with Gabe
Thank you for the video, this is basically my point on digital vs physical. Digital can be convenient when the situation is perfect for it, aka i can just go to steam, type the name of the game in the search bar, install it and play it. But there are also times when my power goes out and all of a sudden i no longer have access to these games, sure the locally installed ones i can play but i don't have all 1000+ games installed on my hard drive so the fact that i can just go to my shelf and grab a physical disk off it is very much needed at times. Also fun fact, game platforms can and will permanently ban and delete your entire account if they deem is necessary to ban you, for any reason because its their platform. All those hundreds to thousands you paid on those digital games, gone. Only thing stopping you from playing a physical game is your console dying, your disk disintegrating after a few decades, or a house fire. 🙄 There are also the games that were just removed from their respective devs due to licensing issues. Mistover is a good example of this, the game is now gone everywhere, you can't buy it. But i own a copy of it so i can play it whenever i want. Not to meantion the digital only consoles becoming glorified bricks after their stores close down. All in all and the TLDR is: Even if you don't like physical, its something that should exist, otherwise game preservation can go from scrounging a collection for a few thousand dollars, to the game never being available to play legally because nintendo, sony, or microsoft randomly decides that they don't want to pay for server space.
The worry for me is the control this will give them. Microsoft is connected to the government obviously. So what's to stop the government using this as another form of control. For example if you don't do such and such they can restrict things like your gaming.
it wont happen as games get larger and larger its going to be hard for physical media to hold up. even starfield which is running on and ancient engine at this point is 140gb the max a quad layered Blu-ray can hold is 128. while you can put it on two discs this problem is going to be a problem even worse in the future as games are not going to get smaller
@@almostabeast1600 That's kinda why the shift towards day one patches as they ship as much they can on the disk and the rest comes with the day one patches. but seems people only bringing up consoles what about PC's where its pretty much DVD only..
I think the main problem we face is that the logistics and expenses of physical distribution is a hinderance to the big gaming corporations. Back when I worked for corporate I understood that physical media is on its last legs not solely because its more comfortable for the end user to just DL games to a drive, but because corporate is deliberately pushing for physical to go away because printing paper, manufactoring boxes, renting warehouses, transportation, and dealing with middle men is not good business when they can sell you the game with none of those added costs at the same price. You'd think that trimming all that fat would make games substantially cheaper but, fck that.
Games haven't quite kept up with other industries in terms of the pace of price inflation. So if you account for that extra missed inflation, digital copies are probably fairly priced and physical editions could be seen as cheap considering.
I hate it, they always try these underhanded things. We all know they actually just want digital only so they have full control of you having access to a game at all. I swear in 30 years gaming is going to be for the 1% only and it will just be a dick measuring contest to see who can spend the most money to show off how rich they are. You'll have to pay $80 a day to rent the game and then $20 to do basic things like reloading but it'll have some log that other players can see that shows how much you've spent.
It’s actually just dawned on me that Microsoft would be more than happy to get rid of physical media not only to entrap people into their ecosystem but also because their main competitor Sony owns the blu ray format, Microsoft have to pay licensing fees on every physical game sold which gives them all the more incentive to scrap it
@@Wunderhass Xbox BC isn’t even plug and play lmao you have to download the game from the storefront even if you own the disc. But anyway what does any of this have to do with blu ray? Because last time i checked Xbox 360 games were on dual layer DVDs
Took way too long to get to a comment like this. "Physical" media is just digital media recorded on a disc. "Digital" media is just digital media recorded on a "hard disc". This argument is nothing. What we should really be asking for is the right to ownership of our file systems. Thank's GoG.
I started buying disc again after hearing Muta advocating for game disc, and also witnessing big stores that I never thought would shut down in the past few years. I do have to make a case for people playing Consol games outside of US. When I was living in South Korea digital gaming was really the only way because shipping stuff internationally takes a lot of time and money. And sometimes if you buy too much you gotta pay import duty. But now that I’m back in the US, it makes very little difference. It just takes some readjustments mentally
I thnk being able to download the game on an external drive should be the solution.. aka.. Liek gog. You own the game.. its still to me considered psychical.. if you can play things off line.
M8, this drives me crazy too. In 2017, while serving in the Peace Corps in Indonesia, I bought a gaming laptop. I served in a rural village with no wifi and cellular service only on the roof. I downloaded some games from 2008-2012 (Mass Effect) while in the city, but found that I could not play them offline for the later games. ME1 was fine, but I would try starting ME2 and I needed internet to verify that I had the product key or whatever. In 5 years we will own nothing but permission. Many f words.
Well theres a simple solution just don't buy new games there are so many already existing games for a life time anyways and a lot of modern releases are buggy messes.
This is why I pretty much only play PC these days. These consoles are proving themselves time and time again to be untrustworthy and consumer unfriendly. Yes PC is heavily digital as well and expensive, but I feel that with the freedom powers a PC gives you, preservation and the power to the consumer is much more attainable. It's worth it. You are incredibly limited on console at the behest of the corporation. I'm with you Muta. I never want to live in a world where physical media doesn't exist.
We as gamers need a central hub outside of what we have now. We need somewhere where we can display and enjoy the art of gaming to its fullest extent without any pressure on developers to produce simply for profit. I wish gamers, developers, producers and everyone else that feels like I do could create our own space where games are created through passion and love of the art instead of profit.
Another few points related to a couple things you mentioned: Look at the size of save data for a lot of these releases. The Final Fantasy X HD save data is massive compared to the original for no good reason. All the others are like this too. Another thing: the current gen of consoles no longer allow you to manually back up your save data. It's no longer an additional option for those that want to, you're now forced to use their clouds for save backup.
@@somethingwitty309 I believe you can for any ps4 games you play on the ps5 but not any of the actual ps5 games for some reason. At least from what I remember. I haven't tried again or looked it up since shortly after launch.
@@sa_lowellyou would be correct. PS4 games have the option to upload/download save data, but PS5 games only have the option to “check sync status of save data” for whatever reason. Seems like such an unwanted and unnecessary change, but I’m sure they have some bs reason for why they did it.
I don’t own games, but I do own lot’s of movies on Blu-ray, and it’s great because I can not only just watch the movie, but I can watch bts footage, deleted footage, listen to the commentary track, etc. I guess you can see that online as well, but it’s nice to have.
Microsoft has been a problem for the games industry all the way back when they made paying for multiplayer a thing, this is nothing new, and they will keep being a thorn in the side of the industry for as long as they stay around.
It's sad to see just how much Microsoft, Bethesda, Sony, Unity, and so much more are about to go off the cliff, past the point of recovery. Here's hoping someone sane gets into an HR position in one or more of the companies.
Fully agree with you, and the same has happened bad with movies/shows lately too. People are getting sick of having things removed and censored on shows put on streaming. People are, slowly, understanding even at my workplace why physical is needed - so companies can't edit out history they don't like. Know whats happened with that? More people say ARRGH MATEY and drop sub services. I've been buying a lot of shows/movies lately due to this and backing them up myself. So I KNOW I'll have it, unmolested and the best quality possible. Same with games. When physical isn't an option NOR a digital copy (ala Steam or GOG) that allows you to download offline installers and pick what patch(s).. sales will tank and they will shift back. Digital, rental only won't last long at all. It only somewhat 'works' now cause people have the easy option for the most part, of getting a disc.. when that option is gone? Shit will hit the fan in some way. Whether thats people hacking/distributing or something else.
Sadly so many people are willing to just go digital based on supposed conveinence of not having to get off their ass to change discs, but suffer the inconvenience of higher prices with no resale once you've finished the game or if it's a bad game. Now that both consoles are looking to come out without disc drives but make them an add-on is a crime, it'll mean publishers will request less discs to be printed or not do physical copies whatsoever. A lot of people will wait for sales if there is no physical copy, as handing over 60-70 pounds/dollars for a digital code for a game is not the same as having a tangible asset in your hand.
I always enjoyed the thrill of going down to my local video games store and using my hard-earned cash to buy games physically. As time went on however, I slowly switched to digital, not that I wanted to, it was due to the fact that: 1. My gaming laptop doesn’t have a rom drive 2. I found it difficult to purchase DLC for games I already have because of the fact I couldn’t buy it physically, hence the switch to steam 3. Some games I wanted, I couldn’t get physically (e.g. undertale, Trainz railroad simulator 2019, etc.) because of the lack of availability. I’m very glad that I switched to pc from PS4 when I did, too, because I wasn’t willing to hand over my money to Sony.
What's just as bad is that some games that can be played offline actually require the day 1 patch and won't launch without it. We also have games like Halo which makes it pointless buying a physical copy such as MW2. That game had basically no data on the disc and you still needed to download around 70GB when it launched, so there were people like myself who were forced to buy it digitally instead. MW3 will likely be the same and any future games in the franchise too. The one other thing I don't like is when we have a game that can literally be played solo the whole way through, like Outriders for example, but requires you to be connected to a server for whatever reason.
I generally agree with Mutahar and keeping physical media. I love physical media. That being said.... I also think this is incredibly interesting to see how the last hold outs of physical game media owners are thrashing for air while the unstoppable digital media wave overwhelms their lives and normalcy of gaming. It already happened to movies and music. Its fascinating to see the hold outs of gaming.
One major difference I see in gaming as opposed to movies and music is that physical media seems to be disappearing more and more in gaming, i.e. it's no longer an option in an increasing number of cases. While physical movies and music, DVDs, Blu-Rays, CDs and vinyl records are still around. Now, I'm not sure what percentage of movies and music albums are released physically, but I'm fairly sure it's most of them except for smaller productions. It looks like games are approaching an all-digital market much faster now that the ball is rolling compared to the other entertainment industries.
some of us actually want to be able to play a fucking game without internet needing to be required straight up my internet is shit downloading games take way too fucking long
If physical media ever becomes non-existent, it'll just spur a piracy renaissance, and maybe resurge scene groups. The biggest issue with digital, is it can be taken away from you at any time because you don't own it, a crack fixes that. Ideally, though, we'd get a legislative body like the EU to remove the license bullshit and make it so you own the digital copy; period.
Losing physicals just gives the companies a chance to take them away in the future. You might love a lousy game thats hard to get, and if Microsoft takes it off the store or doesn't remaster it, you'll be stuck. Its all presevation in my mind with physicals.
Microsoft also want to monopolize gaming...they already got Halo they don't need Call of Duty as well! Thank God Japan has laws that prevent them from buying Nintendo and Sega or they'd try to own them as well.
How I select a digital game if the list is super long: - it is normally organized in alphabetical order, and if I play it enough times, i know exactly where to drag the scroll bar down to. How I select a physical game if the list is too long: - it is normally organized in alphabetical order, and if I play it enough times, I know exactly which page of the disc binder I should flip open. See? Very different. Disclaimer: I understand digital games can be stored in the cloud, so it can be accessed "anywhere" by just accessing your account, but back then AND today, showing a binder filled with discs is a freaking FLEX and needs no account (at least back then).
Find it funny with the switch physical releases as well. After Muta showed his copy of the final fantasy pixel remasters on a live stream i felt like playing the older FF games. I bought myself a copy from Amazon, and put it into my switch immediately. All the icons popped up for FF 1-6. Once i clicked on one i still had to download the actual game from online. Your telling me they couldn't put old FF games with prettier sprites on one cartridge lol.
I also think you should be able to have physical copies of your installed games and be allowed to store them away on external drives. I can give you a bit more context about why some games are not fully on disks. The reason is simple the disks need to be produced months ahead of the actual release of the game so they can be printed and shiped to the stores. This is a timeframe of like 5 months where the developers can not work on the game. Now the companies could send those developers to work on the next games but if after the actual release problems arise then they need these developers back but they worked for a long time not on these project and would have a really hard time to fix stuff. So what companies nowadays do is to use these 5 months to buxfix and polish the game internaly. That is why you see these 40GB day one patches
I always buy physical 99.9% if the time. The only game I bought digital was the Grandia 1 & 2 Remake because the physical copy was selling for over 100 on Amazon and Ebay and the Digital version was 20.
I buy pysicial 40% of the time and 60% digital. I only buy digital when i get the game for free wish is free why wouldn’t i or when its on a in restible sale of less then 20 dollars XD. When it comes to full price games i get them pysical cause i like it better that way but then i can get a game 90-80-50% off then i just save more plus an added bonus of been less incobidian XD
I regularly find physical games cheaper than digital. Journey to the Savage Planet I got cheaper, despite it being new and sealed. As well as Nioh Collection. The brick and mortar stores have to move stock, so won't overprice stuff, but the digital storefronts can wait forever, and can sell everything for top dollar just because they can.
In my country, majority of people already stopped buying original discs since 360 era cause they found 360 and Ps3 physical discs too expensive, right now you can guess it's way way worse. As someone who likes to collect the games that I loved playing , when I talk to them about the dangers of digital only future, for the most part they don't care.
Its weird how people loved game pass from the start and were forcing me to rent, but i despised that idea so much that i appreciate buying my own games weather theyre from digital or physical, cuz i hate subsription model
I've always been about physical media. As convenient as digital can be, having the disc is great. Tried my hand at emulation for the first time when Rockstar did the PS4/Switch re-release of RDR instead of a PC port, and I have been having so much fun emulating my binder of Xbox 360 games. I absolutely hate these all digital consoles. Even if you don't feel like playing games from the drive, you can at least use the thing to watch UHD Blu-Rays.
To play Wii U games on my Switch I had to buy them again. To play PS4 games on my PS5 I had to buy them again. To play the OG Xbox, 360 and XB1 games on my Series X I got free access and additional updates and improvements. For example, red dead 1 is best played on the series x due to Microsoft's work on it. I'd prefer it if Rockstar would do that themselves for all platforms but I still appreciate stuff like that regardless. They're no saints but they're certianly not the worst Imo. Game preservation doesn't have to be physical discs neither. Besides emulation like you mentioned, my PCs external drive is stacked with games. Both are potential routes digital going can take if they're willing. Seeing as the majority choose digital, this is probably the only alternative available in truly securing a users ownership over a product.
I know exactly what you mean and 100% agree! I was so frustrated 7 months ago when i realized that i can’t play Minecraft anymore without internet connection!!! 😡
Xbox is not ruining the video game industry .....PEOPLE are ruining the video game industry ...namely the people in charge.... dont blame the weapon blame the people holding it....leave my beautiful little xbox alone.
One game I’m surprised you didn’t mention was Hi-Fi Rush. Great game that came out earlier this year. But no physical release for Xbox, purely digital. And a point I want to add on the topic on movies and such. What I kinda find a bit funny is that a good chunk of them, include a code to own the movie digitally on Movies Anywhere free of charge.
Bro, literally a couple weeks ago, I was trying my damnest to find Batman Arkham Origins in both Xbox and PS Store. I was going through my storage unit and found it randomly. I cannot tell you how happy I was! Like I always buy digitally, but since that day, I now try to buy physical copies as much as possible. I have always believe that physical copies were better, I just liked the convenience of digital games. However, after that experience I went through, I cannot tell how much of a inconvenience it is when companies like Microsoft and Sony don't take game preservation serious enough.
MS deffo is devaluating gaming with Gamepass and thus giving devs little to no incentive to actually put out decent products or simply incentivise them to skip the service
I'm not a tech savvy person, but couldn't they have made a disc drive that was capable of reading game discs of this size or give us the option to decide if we wanted to run a disc of the hard drive or disc drive? 🤔 The Xbox 360 had that option way back in the day.
I'm glad Muta Brings light to these topics, This isn't talked about enough, I miss when most people would actually own games as opposed to joining subscription services that changes all the time
Glad you brought this up. When Microsoft changed their t&c the other week that states you don’t own the software you rent the license I suspected you might.
Nope. You actually own software you purchase, games too. Those ''licenses'' are actually copies that you own and you could re-sell those if you wanted. This has already been brought before multiple courts. Including the European court. So all those people rushing to defend these corporations saying ERM YOU DONT OWN ANYTHING YOU OWN A LICENSE! are wrong. You do own the games. Law is above a corporations TOS.@@voidmain7902
I rarely get digital versions. If there is an insane offer on a digital version then I might, but I also grew up with physical games so I prefer having the discs.
Wow here's an amazing idea , if other devs made their games DRM free like Balders Gate 3 , we would OWN THE FILES and play offline and don't need Steam to run... I know I know revolutionary
I want to also mention that digital releases are great on platforms like GOG, where DRM isn't a thing and I can back up those install files to my own server and install games without any online launchers or accounts.
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Its weird how companies always think "innovation" is doing exactly what nobody on earth wants
They make more money so they don’t care. That’s the sad reality here…
I’m sure their investors wants.
It’s the Uber-model - offer convenience at a low price point and once you have consumers in a stranglehold you up prices to recoup the initial losses in the “nice guy”-face, and now the consumers have nowhere else to go because the competitors have been wiped out. It’s what Microsoft are doing with all their acquisitions, they don’t give a single shit about making great games, it’s all about market share %.
From a business perspective it’s the natural continuation of the move towards “games-as-service” Steam started.
The only way of stopping it is if consumers speak with their wallets, and as we all know by now, gamers certainly won’t. They’ll make any old excuse to themselves why this one hyped game is okay to pre-order etc. We all know it. People have been putting up with exceedingly expensive hardware that won’t even run games at a stable framerate because optimisation hardly is a thing anymore. People happily shell out $1000 for a GPU that will be obsolete in 12 months and won’t be able to run the newest games already on the market because they are utterly broken.
The games industry treats us all like fools because that is what we collectively are.
@@StickOfTruthso what Amazon did is called the "Uber-model"?
Everyone I play with on xbox has gamepass, so I wouldn't say its something no one wants.
It comes with gold so your essentially paying £4 a month for the games which for me more than pays for starfield and payday 3, yeah I don't get to keep those games but once I 100% starfield I probably won't play for a few years anyway, I also got a 3 month free crunchyroll subscription too which I'm enjoying.
There are a fuck ton of people that would rather have a collection of digital games than lug around a case with games they gotta swap around, especially when there’s a risk of the cartridge/disk breaking. It’s way more convenient and you don’t need Internet to play the games just to install them.
it's actually sick how they want games to be rented when the hardware to play and use the games is so expensive and a commitment.
It's really not crazy. The agenda at play is you will own nothing and be happy WEF is here to stay. Apple and other companies have already been planning on doing the same thing. Renting out their products to their customers instead of owning.
They see games as a commercial product… where as most of us including me, see games as pieces of art like a painting from da Vinci himself to be perserved for all of time…
What are you talking about? You pay literally $10 a month for 400 games. Talk all the shit you want about Physical media, you can't play games cheaper than game pass. You don't own the 400 games, but you have access to them. Maybe I am crazy, but I rented most of the games I played anyway. Muta is the one who is disingenuous because he doesn't agree with the idea that some people don't care about physical media. Just because he is a pro physical media doesn't mean anyone is being"facetious" something he doesn't seem to know the meaning of.
@@nerdjournal 🤓
@@nerdjournal but seriously, you can rent $10 a month for 400 video games, but that can get taken away from you any time, and nobody wants that
This is why piracy will never go away. Whether you support it or not, people will still do it. Except now, it's going to include people that would pay for it, but will NOT purchase the game if they can't own their copy in perpetuity. The companies are biting themselves in the ass long term.
HAHAHA Nobody loves DanTDM's dog so it threw itself into the trash 😂😂😂😂 my videos are better!
Exactly.
I've argued this in Nintendo forums with fans, who are understandbly upset with pirated Nintendo games.
Nintendo are notoriously anti-emulation, but if they were not so anti-consumer i.e. shutting down stores, lack luster virtual console and not giving Nintendo fans what they want, emulation may not have grown to be as popular as it is today.
Pirates are going to pirate no matter what, but corporate greed makes pirates of once legitimate consumers.
I was a huge Apple fan back in the day and purchase hundreds of movies and tv shows via iTunes amassing a 1000+ iTunes media library.
Until I began to realize the constrictive nature of Apple's proprietary format .m4V and iTunes gatekeeping i.e. had to log in and authenticate into iTunes to watch my videos, can only really use iTunes etc..
A sunken cost fallacy is a trap, however I managed to replace all my iTunes media via physical discs and ripped them to my storage devices into .MKV formats.
The process took a couple years and of course expensive to duplicate my entire library, BUT it allowed me to actually own my content that I bought as well as more freedom to play it on any device and software without being restricted to iTunes.
This is the same with games.
I was all in into Steam, then I migrated to GoG and looking for ways to duplicate my once Steam library into DRM-free alternatives.
Long-term? What long-term? Most of the companies had shifted to making as much money as possible, as quick as possible, breaking laws and disregarding everything in their way. Like parasites, sucking shares values from one company and moving to other.
And the best thing is - they get caught, then they're sorry. And yet there are still people who defend them. And the cycle continues.
No, they're taking a hit now to make it a permanent in the future. Like unity, they know they're screwing certain people but if they get the cash rolling in from the big fish then they don't care. Every publisher knows now are lean times, so now's the best time to push something like this so it becomes ubiquitous tomorrow. If they can weather the storm and not pull a unity they'll have a stronger position and then because that's the new normal, we pay or we don't play. It's not about doing what's right anymore, it's about not being the one on the bottom and then needing to pull a unity to keep being profitable.
Oh no, they will absolutely kill piracy in the future. Piracy will be dead once streaming for video games becomes good and a feasible thing. You won't be able to download any games.
You'll be forced to stream games, which will ensure no one gets access to the game files. Then they will charge hourly for games, and if they decide to stop providing service to a game, it will disappear forever. This is the wonderful future that awaits us, thanks Microsoft.
2023: Purchase Digital Games
2050: Streaming Games at an Hourly rate
One of my favorite examples as to why digital-only is TERRIBLE is Scott Pilgrim. The game used to disappear entirely. I am so glad LRG revived it and got a physical edition out there, but it generally shows the issues of Digital-Only releases.
I was about to say this, too. There are other examples too of games you can't play any more.
Even if games could still be preserved digitally, we still should never phase out physical media. Fans love to collect and there's a certain magic to owning your game and opening the box that simply pressing A will never be able to replicate. This goes for all forms of physical media as well. Not just gaming.
But CaRbOn FoOtPrInT (aka save production costs)
@@ctg4818I was going to mention how many CDs are probably at the bottom of the ocean or sitting in some toxic dump. Without sarcasm too. We can’t just keep throwing shit into piles. It’s unsustainable, wether climate change is real or not.
good luck convincing a zoomer of what you just said.
(i 100% agree with you, but idiotic normie zoomers wont)
@@heyjeySigmaas a zoomer your sadly correct, most of us are too lazy or anxiety ridden to even go to the shop a buy a physical copy (even tho they are literally way cheaper than the crap sold on Sony or Microsoft storefronts) lmao.
@@dopaminedreams1122 You may be a zoomer but at least you admit to your weakness and you're honest, and i like that.
You're good in my book, and yes you're right
people dont realize how important physical media really is. All it takes is a power outage, internet outage, bad updates, etc. before digital only starts to seem like a bad idea. not to mention not being able to resell games, let friends borrow them, trading games, etc.
Exactly. More power is given to people when they have access to physical assets. Wether it be video games, card games, or even cash.
That's I think the point though from the companies perspective, that we are being dependant on them. Without their online service, you have nothing.
umm I still prefer my Steam library over switching a disc
@@GaiaLegend yea I understand from their perspective (obviously don’t agree with it). What I don’t understand is why the average joe is so ready to abandon physical media cause they’re too lazy to take 10 secs to switch a disk. Insanity
@@KreuzDrache 100%
I feel like we're in a time where economic problems in our world are starting to reach their boiling point and are even affecting the video games industry
Weird things are happening
@@anthonykarnes6804agreed, man...
Same pfpppp
The games aren't being deleted, they're just being put to the side for now till they're re-released and they charge you more for the same game... or less.
Are they? Care to elaborate on that with data?
Gamepass is being offered at a loss to encourage people to get used to paying for games through subscription. As we've seen with streaming services, they don't intend to offer the same breadth of content for low prices forever. They'll gradually reduce the available games and ramp up the price, and probably introduce tiers with some content behind additional paywalls. It's actually really manipulative and sinister.
It is. I really don't understand the folks who look at a 'small' subscription fee, and think it's a great deal, when they want you to pay that 'small' fee in perpetuity forever. It's just so myopic.
"$5 a month! Forever? And I own nothing? Wow! What a deal!"
It's no different to a friend who charges you to play on his Xbox for $5 a month.
Now, not to say people don't benefit from Gamepass, it's great if you just wanna try a bunch of stuff, and don't like replaying games you've completed. But I want to own it. I want to be in control of when I get to play it and not be pressured to use the subscription. I like watching the same shows over and over.
so now if u wanan play a game lets say Silen Hill (and assume its on GP) how are u gonna play that game?cause remember that game doesnt have a physicall release?so either u play it digitally or u dont play it at all@@elhazthorn918
Very true
@elhazthorn918 for 1 dollar i got to try the god aweful remastered version of sanandreas, back 4 blood at release, grounded, the descenders and i got my fix of skate 3..
Quite good value for 1 dollar, but i would still rather buy and play these games on another platform than to use the xbox store if at all possible.
To constantly pay for the subscription to play a few games is insane for me, specially when the price is 15 dollars for ultimate, which some games like Skate 3, fusion frenzy etc requires.
The sad part is these same games are not possible to buy on pc and you would need to pirate, which im too lazy to do..
That’s how all streaming service work and it honestly won’t work.
People will just private music before they pay $20 a month for them.
And if the offering on game pass is too limited, they just won’t buy game pass.
The only way you’d continue pay a bunch of money for services like this is if the entire market were captured. But it isn’t and never will be because it’s so profitable to just sell games. Like Activision was never gonna out call of duty on gamepass and the only reason they are now is because they were bought by Microsoft. Most other publishers will not follow this direction
Learning the word “technofeudalism” was one of the most harrowing things I’ve done recently, and this is a prime example of it.
This is just capitalism
It's like a cyberpunk distopia, LOL
@@hawkbirdtree3660except without the cool shit
Where are these free markets that capitalism is based on? It's all regulation's and corporation colleges lobbying for their own interests. Capitalist's worst enemy is another one. You want to get rid of it as soon as possible to dominate the markets.
@@tostadorafuriosa69 This is what happens when capitalism goes unchecked. Society has to have more substance than just materialism, otherwise we end up in a world like this.
It’s always a treat seeing new videos of muta explaining why physical media is still important along with having an ownership to owning a video game instead of having to rent it the rest of your life not knowing that at any point in time it could get taken away from you and there’s nothing you could do about it.
yup
Lol. Yeah you're right 👍 screw it
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I'm still pissed I can't play Techno Kitten Adventures anymore. I wish they made a physical copy
I went to a used games store recently, and I legitimately got excited when I found XCOM EU, RDR Undead Nightmare, and Resistance 3 compared to buying a modern game online
the amount of large companies that are doing bs like this is crazy its like they want piracy to happen
It’s because they are both greedy, a bit reckless, but mostly gonked out of their minds.
With how ingrained physical media is in games, a part of me doubts that a full digital future is very unlikely. The industry is going to shoot itself in the foot if people can't own their games, like the parents who refuse to get digital for their kids, or whatever else the reason. Xbox is going to fizzle out if they go all in on this, same with everyone else. As long as demand for videogames exist, there will also be a demand for physical media.
This is what I've been saying for years. Even when movies and TV shows have gone full streaming for a while, DVDs are still being printed. Worse case scenario for games is that companies will print less copies of physical games, but there will always be copies available for people
we will 100% go digital only. I doubt we'll even have consoles in the future. A subscription to MS, Sony or Nintendo games.
Haven’t watched the video yet but I have been thinking going back to physical copies because when my internet goes out I want to be able to play my games correctly
It's ingrained in older generations, it's not ingrained in younger generations. As time goes on everything is becoming more digital and honestly it's a inevitability. So Xbox might fizzle out in its current form, but microsoft will probably have a different product to offer, like gamepass or whatever.
@@gpolenik*laughs in whatever language you prefer*
I'll never understand gaming companies and their severe disdain to the community and everything about it.
Could say the same about the average gamer and "content creators"
They hate all these publishers and games allegedly but instantly preorder and spend $100's for 5 days early access on the latest games that's how hypocritical and damaging they truly are to the industry
Microsoft wouldn't be doing this if gamers and these hypocritical creators actually had STANDARDS AND VOTED WITH THEIR WALLETS PUTTING THEIR MONEY WHERE THEIR MOUTHS ARE
We are the product. They are simply streamlining the process.
The people in charge of the companies are business people.
Business people don't care about consumers. They care about money.
Thus, they make decisions to try and maximize profits and so long as they keep making money, they don't give a crap.
They hate us because we call them out and make it hard for them to get away with a good portion of cheap tactics they wish they could pull off. It's not perfect, but if we didn't do this at all, they would be doing way more. Us doing everything we can is why they disdain and hate us big time.
i hate them too
I'm old school and love holding a physical copy of a game in my hands, be it a physical disc or cartridge. Game preservation should be very important for any gamer whether casual or hard-core. It should also be important to Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo too.
HAHAHA Nobody loves DanTDM's dog so it threw itself into the trash 😂😂😂😂 my videos are better!
Game companies are just too greedy to not take advantage of digital sales. A major part of the problem is consumers not boycotting. The gaming industry needs that bud light energy if you want any change.
Remember when Microsoft made l4d add on not free like steam because it would set a bad president for other xbox games
Bud light? The heck did they do to get boycotted?
@@dls1960do you live under a rock or something.
Didn't people BOYCOTT Hacktivsion for that thing with COD and that one DLC pack being removed? Good to see how THAT didn't last.
Companies overall do that
You know who else is ruining the video game industry!?
My Uncle, John, he works at Nintendo
You know who ruined him!?
That's cool...
@@aox7507 who?
@@skeletonentertainment4201 ...Is this not a Regular Show reference?
MY MOM!
I will ALWAYS purchase the physical version of any game whenever possible. There is nothing more satisfying to me as a collector than building my own physical library of the games I love. The day digital content completely takes over will be a sad day for both collectors and preservationists.
The day digital takes over (it won’t) will be the day I give up on gaming entirely
Yeah, honestly. You can even find physical games cheaper than digital, since the digital storefronts always charge top dollar, but the brick and mortar stores need to move stock. If physical goes away, all the power is given to the big corporations.
@@elhazthorn918 oh yeah and I think that’s the direction we are heading sadly. The gamer has no power anymore. Xbox is gamepass hungry and ps is $ hungry as well
@@theofficialrafffbro the ps6 wont even have a disk drive
I don't think digital revolution would be so terrible, AS LONG AS you're able to back up your library to your own storage yourself. Be it discs, a NAS server, whatever.
Ecologically speaking, less plastic for discs and packaging would be great, but not if it makes us all "renters."
I will never defend all digital anything, no matter whos doing it. When Sony and Microsoft dropped their "all digital" consoles, I just remember thinking to myself "Who would buy this shit?"
I'm glad I'm not the only one who was thinking the same thing.
Exactly no one wants a future where you don't own anything cuz no one will be truly happy only owning something with someone be truly happy what Microsoft and other companies are trying to do is stupid and it will just be the hilarious end of themselves this is why companies shouldn't exist they don't lead invotion just greed.
I love admiring my Steam library, but there's no replacement of the satisfaction I get pulling out my disc book with all my physical media. I totally get Muta's love for having a physical copy of a game.
At this point valve seems to be the only pro-consumer company and even that i am afraid that won't last
@@dankmemes8254They are not pro consumer at all but the platform is decent atleast. UI is slowly becoming worse each year and the performance of the client and phone app is bad. Download speeds unmatched though.
@@dankmemes8254 I don't get why valve is really seen that way. I guess the longevity of Steam has proven that it won't just disappear on you, but at the same time there's no guarantee it won't which is the whole argument against sony, MS, Nintendo, etc.
I like my physical collection too, but let's go over the facts. Steam was ahead of the curve. Modern PCs do not lack disk drives because of Steam, they lack disk drives because put plainly they are slower in every dimension.
You never needed disks for gaming. And they have a shorter shelf life than your Steam account. They were just the cheapest way at the time. Keep them around for your consoles, otherwise back your games up on as many drives as you can and crack them if you are really worried about your consumer rights.
Yes, it would be nice to have at least the option of a physical copy, but now you don't have to worry about that shit getting scratched up. If you were around back then, you remember the disk protector bullshit that was a huge waste of time and money. You remember the toothpaste and the coke and the praying your game would turn on and work. I would take the quality of games back then over what we have now - modern gaming is complete trash - but dicking around with all that is shit we don't need to go back to. Other hardware in our lives gives us enough trouble. Consider becoming an electrician and making money off your pain.
@@SpartanArmy117 Valve IS NOT seen as a pro-consumer company. Large majority of people hate Valve and think their Steam account will be closed for no reason or the service will just fall dead one day. Weird. I was alive in the age of disks. I had to re-buy them because they get scratched up, had to buy disk protectors, had to fuck around with coke and toothpaste to get the games working. I've never had to make more than one Steam account.
Paying $60+ just for a license to play a game is something I'll never do unless there's absolutely no other option anymore. I'm just glad there are still people who understand and appreciate the importance of physical media.
Just start reading books.
And if there is no other option you will still pay because you are not a true freedom fighter
yo ho ho ever heard of going on a nautical voyage for games? much better
Thats fine man as long as u realize u are in the minority that think like this 😂😂😂
"...unless there's absolutely no other option anymore."
And that's why games companies keep treating you like sh1t - because "consumers" always give them a get-out clause.
Consumers with no backbones who can't keep their wallets shut are the problem here.
I'm glad modders will always be able to figure out a solution. The Wii U for example already has a ton of stuff you could never access without a modded system because they killed the digital store. I like collecting physical games but if the discs rot away or anything like that I'm not that worried because every system eventually gets emulated and fully dumped online by the community.
The consoles and peripherals are pretty crucial though for an authentic experience, which is why I'm glad Atari is making a new 2600 that actually supports original cartridges and controllers, hopefully any future classic consoles take note
HAHAHA Nobody loves DanTDM's dog so it threw itself into the trash 😂😂😂😂 my videos are better!
I don't know Xbox One will probably never get Modded any time soon since it has all the problems with the all online thingy and needed to log in every now and then
I'd say that sadly this is nothing new. Just remembering Activision doing the same with Overwatch (deleted for Overwatch 2.0 making the disk version worthless) and Destiny 2 (deleting the original data, maps and all other things - making disk version worthless) shows that these companies really do not care about preservation. The way their higher ups and production teams think, just shows that they only want what Mr. Krabs is obsessed about.
Yup. Overwatch was the very last online game I ever bought. Such a waste of money.
Destiny 2 deleting things was to make room for more content, no matter what happened it was bad for everyone and why should devs be so worried about disc version and worry about the minority?
@@Blue-qt8ms Um, because they bought the game so they should be able to fuckin play it? Bungie didn't have to delete anything, they could have made the original game and everything else two optional downloads. That way you can save space once you finish the first half by uninstalling it, while at the same time not making it completely lost. Destiny 2 is a perfect example of why online only games are a horrible idea. Saying it was bad for everyone is just untrue, and you're deluding yourself by defending Bungie's decision to outright delete the game that 500 million people bought.
@@landonkam6727The original Destiny 1 disc (same with D2) says “online-only” on the label.
WHY WOULD YOU BUY THESE GAMES PHYSICAL TO BEGIN WITH? It’s literally just a stupid people tax, if you think buying it physically gives you access to the content on the disc forever.
If the servers are dead, it’s unplayable, if you don’t update, it’s unplayable.
These kinds of games should *ABSOLUTELY* be allowed to exist, just not in physical form.
Have people already forgotten WOW and that every expansion originally came on physical disc’s too, even though the moment a new expansion came out all previous disc’s became useless?
@@mhdj14 I agree, games like destiny shouldn't exist in a physical form at all. However destiny does and because of that we should hold it to the same standard. If it has a physical release, it should be able to be played without an internet connection from the moment you buy it.
both Xbox and Sony have this problem, Sony even dedicating an entire version of their consoles to it. I want to be able to actually own the games I buy, and physically sell the games I make. the market needs to move away from digitally owning games, music, ect, and begin buying physical copies again
He can't call out Sony though has to make it seem like a Microsoft only problem
@@liquiddogman3368 He did call out Sony. Twice in this video. Wtf were you watching?
@@liquiddogman3368I mean...Sony offered a choice. Let's not pretend Microsoft isn't the biggest offender. Whataboutism is a scapegoat tactic
@@Laughing_Individual When?
I tend to buy physical, unless it ain't an option, like Remnant from the Ashes, if physical copies existed, I'd buy it physical
The way you brought up how the XBone was clowned on back in the day for requiring internet, requiring kinect, requiring the games not to be pre-used really puts into perspective how folks have gradually come to accept the small, insidious compromises over the last decade and by a grand majority wouldn't care less about any of those issues now.
Exactly, I got an Xbox One S for my birthday back in 2022 and it's so ironic how people still shit on it to this day.
If the Xbox series S was released at E3 back in 2013 instead of the Xbox One people would be clowning on it as well.
Notice how Xbox has none of that now. Not even sure what the point of this comment was.
You actually think people were okay with that?
@@RyanRedbirdgot the Xbox series S and its trash
I love the feeling of popping open a box, taking out a disc, and enjoying the satisfying feeling of the disc rolling into the console.
This will always be superior to just punching in your credit card and pressing a few buttons through digital
Don't forget the smell
Having a physical collection is absolutely important for me, and not just for preservation’s sake. Sure, it’s convenient to have a digital library, but there’s just something about the experience of opening a case and inserting a disc or a card on a console that can’t be replicated.
I even went out of my way and pre-ordered a Japanese physical copy of Like A Dragon Gaiden because Sega bafflingly refused to release the game on that format in the West.
Next gen is going digital since we’re going to be staring at 400GB games and there is no successor to blu ray.
I always and will forever love physical wether it be Games or blurays etc. Fuck DRM
Speaking of Gaiden, will that version have the english dub and subs for it from PlayAsia?
Same to me I really miss the books that came with them to
Fr, it’s Im the same with forza, because of those games being delisted, how am I going to play the older forza titles if they faze out the disc drives? 😐
The fact that they used the term "angst" tells you how sorry they are.
Copy and paste like craaazzyy
🎶CRAWLING IN MY CRAWL🎶
Yea except they never used that term and you just straight up stole this comment to farm some likes.
Holy crap you just stole a comment word for word wow that's insane
You guys are right, digital sucks. I want game pass on a Disc.
It's just as we feared since their announcement in gaming in the 90s. Microsoft's trojan horse has always been "be the nice guy" until they lock a particular target market. I remember when I was in the military in the late 90s when MS announced the Xbox, during a time when movies were made about their anti-trust/anti-consumer practices. I was ambitious in the tech industry (post service) and us "geeks" were all concerned of how they could damage gaming. Only a few were hyped about Xbox (though they skewed that with aggressive marketing). OG Xbox was relatively decent, but compared to the competition it wasnt close and still had a huge hill to climb. Then 360 hit and it was godlike. Then microtransactions. Then Xbone, and the draconian bs we all feared nearly came with it. Now here we are with subscriptions and monetizing everything. :/
The og xbox was actually a really good console and more powerful than anything at the time. It actually has plenty of games that play in 720p and a couple in 1080.
@@Wunderhassyou know online gaming on consoles was free until Microsoft realized they could make millions off of servers that virtually cost nothing to run?
Microsoft just waited until their target market aged out long enough for the market to forget how anti competitive they were. We should’ve worked this out when they put a paywall in front of online play but we were enamored with the 360 and the bangers that were being released at the time. Halo 2, 3, Gears of War. Now that we’ve had time to see the result it’s not great.
@@Wunderhass what's the point of saying Pony? This isnt a sony vs microsoft debate, this is a shitty company vs the consumer debate
@@tranquility6789yeah seems like someone is also a fanboy, Jesus Christ these people still exist smh
This digital (read: download-only) exclusivity is pretty consistent with Microsoft stating some time ago that video games are now considered a service, and no longer a product. Whether one thinks it's a good or a bad thing depends entirely on his/her current perspective of how the gaming industry is going at the moment.
VGaaS???
All software moved to a service model a long time ago. Its just becoming more visible with games.
@@stefanmadethen5359i get it, that’s good 😂
I think a part of the problem is that video games haven't changed in price for a long time, so instead of raising prices, companies will find every way to save money, and that means getting rid of physical copies so they can eliminate the entire production line.
True. This is actually a fair point that i have thought about as well. I’m sure the devs prefer this as well because they probably get to see more of that money in there pocket. Video games are going to become the new pokemon when it comes to a secondary market. Shoot little second hand shops still sell old gamcube exclusives at full price because they know they can.
@@MobiusMC yeah, now they will raise the prices even more and add even more MTX
Theyve been charging years now for extra stuff to more than make up for it. They constantly push battle passes, dlc, skins, packs and more. They have made up the money they lost in newer greedier ways. cant wait to pay $90-100 for a half finished game that also comes with a regular battlepass, a premium battlepass, and an accelerated battlepasses and dont forget 3 dlcs for 70 a piece just because people like you just take being fked over and dont complain about predatory practices.
This. It's time that prices reflect economic realities.
That's the companies fault for ballooning their game budgets. They need more fiscally conservative people at these companies.
Nothing beats the feeling of buying the game disc, having the discs in your hand and put it in
tho most of us have a problem with that time consuming and Space
@@christonchev9762 takes like 5 seconds to put a disc in
@@christonchev9762Most of us? Physical media is so valued that even old and antiquated tech like vinyls are popular.
People like physical media, they like collecting physical objects
in 1999 it was actually cool
@@EggEnjoyerThat's a poor comparison, vinyl is a very high quality form of music playback and has remained that way. Other media simply hold value because of nostalgia and availability.
As great as gamepass is, I believe it is killing making of good games and promotes monotization through micro -transactions as they can't make money through selling the game.
It does feel like that sometimes yeah.
Agree.
The concept of microtransactions in full AAA games becomes even more incredulous in Microsoft's idealized perfect world where everybody just rents from them. You spend those dozens, even hundreds of dollars on your cool little skins, and they're all gone too once M$ decides to pull your game from circulation in game pass, or you just stop paying the sub. Paying hard money to "own" something in a game that you never had ownership of in the first place. It would sound like a completely shameless racket in any other industry than this one.
well why would you buy cosmetics in the first place? @@blueray222
MS literally pays devs for their games to come to game pass. So saying their games won't make money is wrong.
I remember buying a physical copy of Skyrim back when it released and didn't realize it was just a steam key. Had really bad internet here back then so had to leave my PC at a friend's house for an entire week downloading the 5 gig update at like 12 to 30kbs.
One of my fonder memories is finding out I didn't need to insert a disc anymore for Fable 3 once it was installed and being absolutely flabbergasted by that. Every other game required having the disc in.
@@BlackLivesMatter1414 Wish I could have. I think I was 15 years old when the game released. Went with some friends to the big city to stay there for a few days which is about a 10 hour drive from my place. But hey got it working in the end and I still have that copy with its booklet and map.
I do remember after that I was super wary of buying games and had to check the back of the box every time to see if they needed an internet connection.
All these industries are trying to make the consumers perpetual renters and I'm happy that everyone is just like I want to own what I buy. I don't want a smart house that can be turned off if I decide I don't want to pay a subscription. I don't want to put hours into a game that the developer can take away even after I pay $75 for it. These industries need to understand that once a consumer buys a product, it no longer belongs to the company. It's extortion
That's why they make you sign contracts so that they can legally extort you in the fine print. We have already reached our dystopian future & it terrifies me every day now. As a species our best days are mostly behind us now as much as we hate to admit it. The fact is that nothing will last forever & that we can lose things at any time.
@@bookmew1081same shit is happening to housing. All land is being bought up and in the future, we will only be able to rent
@@borginburkes1819 Pure Capitalism was a mistake & we aren't going to recover from it. Our world is burning & everything is going to an ever decreasing percentage of people. Expect to be gaslit frequently by propagandists protecting the horded wealth of their masters.
@@borginburkes1819except for the elites, rules don't apply to them, only us peasants.
I only have a dumb house but I pay a subscription to use like 3 tiny rooms in it anyway
As someone who only buys digital, I can completely understand the reason people buy physical. I fucking hate how companies keep making the most anti consumer decisions possible and people continue to defend it.
But you’re also defending it by only buying digital 🤔
@@TheKotor2309 Some people such as myself still prefer digital and i really dont see the problem with that. i see both sides but instead of getting mad at the people who prefer digital, you should direct that hate to the anti consumerist tactics that some very specific companies have put into place.
@@TheKotor2309it's not a crime to buy digital, you just can't buy digital and then be surprised when that game gets ripped from your hands by the company or when you run into specific issues that only pertain to buying digital
@@TheKotor2309some people, myself included, don’t have a lot of space to store disks and disk cases.
@@TheKotor2309 for example a company that's extremely shitty when it comes to digital downloads is ea.. I have need for speed hot pursuit remastered on my steam but in order to even play it you need to make an ea account and download their launcher even though you bought the game on steam.. and if you wanna play it offline well then good luck lmao. Get mad at companies who commit atrocities like that not the people who just want to enjoy the digital version of the game
This is why I've slowly amassed a record collection. I REALLY wish there was a way to get physical copies of games for PC. That would be rad.
Thats the issue. people mass those collections. eventually those games are gone to collect or play. where would the average gamer go to? pretty much if they want to do things legally they will have to rent their games. thus making it more popular to do. basically its inevitable whats going on. unless companies change their ways.
On PC you can kind of do it manually by storing the game files in whatever medium you want. Of course if it was using a storefront with built-in DRM it's a bit difficult, but nothing is stopping you otherwise. That presumes that you download the game first of course.
Distributing PC games via disc died out a long time ago because a lot of PCs/laptops straight up don't have disc drives anymore lol. A solution could be to distribute via special USB drives, but those are expensive
Dude same. The last PC game i managed to get physically on discs is The Witcher 3.
GOG is the best bet we have. Steam is great, their linux portability is fucking amazing, letting me escape the ugly hellhole of Win11, but I wish they kinda nullify their DRM. Idk man, steam is the best bet for my broke 3rd world ass.
If you have all the files to that game on your PC, backing them up with be the next best thing.
As nice as Steam is, it's still DRM. GOG's DRM free philosophy is more consumer-friendly.
I do not care much for the physical vs. digital debate. There are advantages and disadvantages to both. It always comes down to DRM. People who legitimately buy games should never be punished for doing so. The industry has a big problem when it comes to this in general. I appreciate physical copies, and they should always remain available, but there is always a bigger picture to look at here. Physical copies are great at preserving earlier builds of games, but with how many changes patches introduce these days, playing right off the disc with no updates is becoming less and less practical (note that I didn't say you can't do it).
DRM needs to either be banned outright or be regulated.
Yeah...I see where Muta is coming from, but in a lot of cases, playing the 1.0 build of a game isn't something I want to do. I do still think I might start buying more physical copies just on principle though. Having the 1.0 build on a disc or cartridge is better than owning nothing.
@@giygas_9577 funnily enough, elden ring's 1.0 build most likely didn't have the spells balanced. like i played elden ring on launch and it was something where if you played a caster, the glintstone pebble was your best spell by far for like half the game.
Than dont do it lol. Im still playing the 1.0 build but updated it and like where some patchs led and go and behold they fked up my build. But now i dont have to deal with that since i didn't update passed the later builds and havin a blast.
@@colonian83pre patched Elden ring is cursed. Just get Rivers of blood, level dex and arcane, spam weapon art, instant carry Yoo no fam I’m good lol
Muta for like the past 4-6 months i’ve been watching your content consistently again after not watching since about 2021. Not only do you look healthier but I remember why I was so addicted to your content. Compared to people like Penguinz and Optimus or other people who make content like you, aren’t as informed on the topics they’re speaking about and don’t really take the time to fully research. With your videos you provide full evidence and not paraphrase a single article that helps your point.
yeah at least he shows some originality
Not to dís moistkritical but he’ll talk about the subject for like 3-4 minutes and then insert 10 minute stream clips rephrasing what he said
@@keizzerrhexx8274 Gotta catch that 8-10min time for revenue
Honestly, I think the problem is not having a disk or not, I belive the problem is DRM.
You can simply have a copy of all of your games on a HDD (a physical and local one lol), it's just a different storage media.
But, DRM will always require the dreaded Intenet connection, indepedently of installation media.
The issue with most big companies is that they hire corporate yes men that only focus on increasing profits. And they forget the players even exist!
Bro does not need to comment 4 times
@@lapz78Zoomers when they're forced to read more than two words:
I think the issue with this debate is that a very small minority of disc riders think everyone else agrees with their weird obsession with putting stuff on a big shelf.
They haven’t forgot players exist, you have forgot a majority of people playing games couldn’t drum up an ounce of care that they “don’t own” their game.
@@notimportant3033 He posted 4 comments saying the same thing
@@lapz78 They are astroturfing with bots. I dont understand why some people hate Microsoft that much. As a PC gamer I certainly consider the digital era the savior of games, not its death.
This has been an eye opening experience, I honestly didn't know how badly Microsoft has treated Physical Media, let alone preservation. They really shouldn't have ended that Backwards Compatibility program they were doing before, cause now everyone else I feel is taking advantage of their back catalog and rereleasing stuff up the butt, like just the other day the OG Tomb Raider trilogy got a rerelease announcement with gameplay to boot, which is a good start as any, as long as we all can push back over this anti preservation garbage enough, then companies will follow suit, especially more recently with that sinking feeling of the cons of an all digital future started to arrive, delistings, streaming service content jumping ship to another service you name it, it's likely we might be hitting a point where they'll be some laws put in place so us users and the companies that make this content to work under certain guidelines to not be as anti preservation and most importantly anti consumer, cause things like this are becoming more and more common with companies, with pushback and criticism following it like with Microsoft here, there will be changes coming, big ones.
Don't get me wrong, they are just as bad as Sony or Nintendo, but why are is Microsoft being singled out? Gamepass? It's just a really odd attack on Xbox when everyone in the industry is just as guilty.
This is the 2nd time Microsoft gave up on backwards compatibility. It happened to the 360 with og xbox games and just recently happened.
@@SpartanArmy117facts
@@SpartanArmy117Yes, Sony and Nintendo also do this, but I think Xbox is being singled out because of how brazenly they keep trying. And the more Xbox tries and succeeds, the more Sony and Nintendo will say, "Hey, they're getting away with it! Let's do it, too!"
Not to mention how hard Xbox makes it for indies to print physical discs. Their minimum number to print is about 10x the amount PlayStation and Nintendo have as a minimum. Which is why Xbox tends to get the least physical versions.
You should see how game pass hurts studios
During the tail end of the PS3/360 life cycle I switched pretty much completely over to digital. It saved me space, and more and more often it saved me money because I could buy a lot more games on sale than would normally be seen with physical disc copies. When I have friends who asked why I switched or told me they still used discs I scoffed at them and called them dumb since you still had to install a bunch of data on it anyway. While I do still find that to be true for a lot of games that rely heavily on online modes if you are going to be playing online a majority of your time I think it's a valid criticism. When it comes to more single player focused games where a fresh install is basically all you need to enjoy the full game plus or minus a few bugs here or there that could be alleviated by a newer update I will fully stand by physical media. It's incredibly important and as the previous generations of consoles physical media is slowly being bought up more and more and the prices for those discs, cases, what have you climb year after year it has become undeniable for someone who's digital library on the PS4/5 has almost reached about 500 games that on more than a few purchases, I wish I had the physical copy.
I won't always have internet. PlayStation won't always be around, or allow us to play older games on the PS6-7-8s etc. Game Pass won't have all the same games this month as it will the next and the gaming companies know this and continue to throttle us, deceive us and try to manipulate us into thinking that physical media is a thing of the past because that means that we as consumers own what we purchased and they can't on a whim rip it away. There will be a period in all of our lives going forward when we can't play the digital games or at least purchase the ones on the stores because like the PS3/360 generations those storefronts are closing orphaning many games that those companies aren't likely to port onto newer consoles deriding emulation the whole way. We wouldn't have to emulate if they would just do a better job at game preservation. I'd happily pay over and over again for my favorite childhood games on newer hardware because I am a sucker. That may just be me but at least we would have them available.
Remember when the big studios said that digital media would likely stay about 10 dollars cheaper since they don't have to pay for discs to be printed? That didn't last very long. Why am I paying the same price and not even getting something I can proudly display on a shelf that I don't have room for? Remember when we had demo discs? We wouldn't have had to worry about Konami taking P.T. from us if we still had those around.
Don't. The only reason you should buy digital is if you save 50% on the price or more. It is a crime to pay full price for a digital game.
It's the opposite for me. JB-Hifi regularly sells physical games at a fraction of the cost of digital. Nioh Collection on the PlayStation store? $100+ AUD. I got it at JB new for $40 AUD.
The main game I play (and honestly the only game I play) is The Sims 3, and I have the base game and all expansions on physical disk. I never bought into the idea of integrating my game into Steam or Origin (now the EA App) because I don’t truly feel like I’d own the game.
With the thousands of hours I put into the game and the innumerable buildings I’ve created in the game, I’d be absolutely PISSED if I no longer had access because something went wrong with Steam or the EA App. Not to mention I want the option to play the game without Internet.
At one point I was all about digital releases, but then the reality set in that it can be a harmful to gaming in the future if a storefront goes down, you lose the games you bought if they don't provide ways to download your digital library of games. So nowadays I'll get physical copies of a game if there is one to get, and it doesn't require additional download from a server.
I find it wild how Xbox was dominating the gaming scene just a couple short generations ago only to evolve to this today.
What a rough downfall.
I don’t think Xbox were really ever dominating the gaming scene - they had a really good foothold and momentum going in the 360 era and then squandered it all with the One.
@@anishbasak3117 that’s kinda what I mean by how they were dominating that generation. I was the only one in my entire friends group that had a PS3, everyone else had 360’s, and really the only thing that held the PS3 back was the fact it was so difficult to develop for.
Xbox only managed to dominate that generation because Sony made some technical mishaps with the PS3, and then we got every terrible business decision in the leadup to Xbone and PS4, and everything thereafter.
to be fair, Halo 3 really just is _that_ good
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@@anishbasak3117 They weren't even doing that with the 360, due to the fact that of the 6-7 models (when it comes to the internals, there were 3 models that was released when it comes to the externals) they released of it only 1 didn't have a problem that could make it break or brick it in some way.
I agree on everything except the lazy part, i can get up and change the disc just fine, but the quality of life aspect of having everything digitally organized is simply a preferred choice- not that I'm lazy and have something wrong with me? Remember when we had a second disc to install all the data on and not require internet access?
Sure wish i had enough money to build a pc capable of running an emulator past a Gameboy,,,
One problem even with physical media these days is that there is no guarantee that the full game is even on the disk. A perfect example of this is the Spyro Reignited Trilogy. The disk only contains the first game. The other two require a download. It’s not the only game to do this either.
Edit: corrected which game. I initially said the Crash Bandicoot trilogy, but I was incorrect after looking it up.
Edit 2: Wrote this comment prior to getting to the part in the video where Muta addresses this issue.
You literary can't play the original warcraft3 unless you have the original CD and even still you can't play it online becuse it ""upgrades"" to the reforged version forcing you to use 3rd party servers
Muta mostly talked about have a partial copy on disk, but it's true, some games just have the license keys on disk 😅😅😢
Man i just play games and fart at my desk. All this drama be ruining my vibe.
Fax
Finally, a true and pure human being.
This is ironicly how I feel about console wars share your experience enjoy your games
@@sourlab why do people still do console wars? Both Xbox and PlayStation have their ups and downs.
@@DPAnime1415 like for example as a primary playstation fan I just enjoy their catalogue of games more .. I saw so many people bashing on every game in the state of play for no reason
I wished we had a gaming fallout like back in the 80’s to give these damn companies a reality check.
I think it's coming ...
@@lashed1980 I hope really soon. We absolutely need one.
@lashed1980 oh it is definitely coming brother
We've seen it happened recently with Unity and Reddit. Once you are locked in the Xbox ecosystem they can just f you over and all you can do is cope because your library is in their system. It will eventually happen. Mark my word.
Could say the same about Steam but the vast majority of people dont care about that. GoG is cool for anyone who realizes they like to own at least a few pc games.
They don't want you to own the game. They don't even want you to remember the game past a year because they want you to keep buying/renting new disposable games/services.
Think the zoomers who can't consume more than 30 seconds of any product.
If Netflix taught us anything its that the streaming model is flawed and doesn't work. Sure it might get you some short term income but given enough time the market gets saturated and customers start to reject paying 5 different companies a monthly subscription to watch the same content they used to get in one package. Also emulation is going to be a big factor in preservation in the future, both MS & Sony have built their last 2 generation consoles so that they're effectively unrepairable. Multiple critical components are all tied together and locked to the console ID meaning that, in 20 years when PS5 BD driver start failing there is literally nothing anyone can do to fix them.
Yeah instead of paying 5 services they stick to one or two lmao.
What even is the point of of mentioning Netflix here lol
Netflix is flawed and it doesn't work? Then how and why are they earning profits? 😂 dude the world where people line up to buy movies in DVDs are long gone it ain't coming back 😂
@@Ir-jq5kb And if you understood anything about business you'd know that that was a bad thing. See turns out having a theatrical release, a retail release then multiple distribution licenses on multiple different networks is much more profitable than having a theatrical release followed by dumping it on your own platform that you are paying the running cost for. Instead of selling the same movie 4, 5 or even 6 times they sell it once then make little (if anything) back after that because they are running the servers that are distributing the thing. I'll actually give you that in the case of NetFlix its actually not that big of a deal, they had no significant market presence before streaming but in the case of trad media the NetFlix business model is incredibly damaging and all the big trad media names that threw everything into streaming when it was hot shit are now realising they threw the baby out with the bathwater.
If you want to blame somebody, blame Valve. Steam was the platform that first popularised the idea of locking your purchased game to your account meaning you can't resell them.
Steam is glorified DRM and Valve got away with it by having a comprehensive client.
But if you have a 1.0 version of a game and no internet connection, you're gonna struggle to get the game working. The 1.0 version might not even work without a patch so you have no chance.
And things have only gotten worse since as other companies took their blueprint to extreme lengths. Always on connection, microtransactions, lootboxes... the list goes on and on. Microsoft even forces you to pay a fee to play online. Unbelievable.
The massive file sizes of games is also a big problem. If you don't have fast internet it's gonna take you forever to download a game. If you don't have unlimited data then you're gonna hit your data cap...
So many issues...
I just find it weird and how he's supposed to be so knowledgeable and yet for some reason he refuses to blame pcgaming for starting this s*** in the first place. While PlayStation games and Xbox what's still 100% on board the physical copy thing PC gaming developers got rid of physical copies completely
@@mariobadia4553 Yeah I 100% agree. The Xbox 360 came out in 2005 and through its entire lifetime you could buy a game on disc, put it in the console and play without an internet connection. You could also sell your games second hand. Even the Xbox One allowed you to do this and that came out in 2013.
Meanwhile, Steam came out in 2003, saw widespread adoption in 2004 when Half Life 2 came out and has been limiting customers ability to actually own, preserve and resell games ever since.
Valve was the trendsetter in this regard. Consoles didn't start doing this until over a decade later.
You do know all the other console companies also force you to pay to play online, except for steam.
@@sleepngnight Yes, I mentioned that in my OP. It's scummy and I'm legit surprised Valve never followed suit. It wasn't always the case though. PS3 had free online play. The point I was making is that the idea of limiting customer's rights began with Valve and consoles took the ball and ran with it, for better or worse. I'm also kinda surprised Steam never bothered to make their own game pass.
@@IAmFromTheYearI don't think Gabe had bad intentions, unlike Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo etc. They have vile corporate motivations, I don't get that same vibe with Gabe
Thank you for the video, this is basically my point on digital vs physical. Digital can be convenient when the situation is perfect for it, aka i can just go to steam, type the name of the game in the search bar, install it and play it. But there are also times when my power goes out and all of a sudden i no longer have access to these games, sure the locally installed ones i can play but i don't have all 1000+ games installed on my hard drive so the fact that i can just go to my shelf and grab a physical disk off it is very much needed at times. Also fun fact, game platforms can and will permanently ban and delete your entire account if they deem is necessary to ban you, for any reason because its their platform. All those hundreds to thousands you paid on those digital games, gone. Only thing stopping you from playing a physical game is your console dying, your disk disintegrating after a few decades, or a house fire. 🙄
There are also the games that were just removed from their respective devs due to licensing issues. Mistover is a good example of this, the game is now gone everywhere, you can't buy it. But i own a copy of it so i can play it whenever i want. Not to meantion the digital only consoles becoming glorified bricks after their stores close down.
All in all and the TLDR is: Even if you don't like physical, its something that should exist, otherwise game preservation can go from scrounging a collection for a few thousand dollars, to the game never being available to play legally because nintendo, sony, or microsoft randomly decides that they don't want to pay for server space.
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The worry for me is the control this will give them. Microsoft is connected to the government obviously. So what's to stop the government using this as another form of control. For example if you don't do such and such they can restrict things like your gaming.
Lmaoooo
Futurama. We will be in futurama
I hope we witness a Renaissance of Physical Media taking over digital once again. Keep on preserving physical media
it wont happen as games get larger and larger its going to be hard for physical media to hold up. even starfield which is running on and ancient engine at this point is 140gb the max a quad layered Blu-ray can hold is 128. while you can put it on two discs this problem is going to be a problem even worse in the future as games are not going to get smaller
@@almostabeast1600 That's kinda why the shift towards day one patches as they ship as much they can on the disk and the rest comes with the day one patches.
but seems people only bringing up consoles what about PC's where its pretty much DVD only..
That would be nice.
I think the main problem we face is that the logistics and expenses of physical distribution is a hinderance to the big gaming corporations.
Back when I worked for corporate I understood that physical media is on its last legs not solely because its more comfortable for the end user to just DL games to a drive, but because corporate is deliberately pushing for physical to go away because printing paper, manufactoring boxes, renting warehouses, transportation, and dealing with middle men is not good business when they can sell you the game with none of those added costs at the same price.
You'd think that trimming all that fat would make games substantially cheaper but, fck that.
Isn't the games cheaper compared to back then I'm pretty sure it would have cost over 100$ by now
Games haven't quite kept up with other industries in terms of the pace of price inflation. So if you account for that extra missed inflation, digital copies are probably fairly priced and physical editions could be seen as cheap considering.
@@lzrdwzrd999 that what I have been saying but apparently that makes me a corporate simp
This is all too complicated, I miss the days where you could just pop a disc into your PS2. We don’t need all this extra shit
I hate it, they always try these underhanded things. We all know they actually just want digital only so they have full control of you having access to a game at all. I swear in 30 years gaming is going to be for the 1% only and it will just be a dick measuring contest to see who can spend the most money to show off how rich they are. You'll have to pay $80 a day to rent the game and then $20 to do basic things like reloading but it'll have some log that other players can see that shows how much you've spent.
It’s actually just dawned on me that Microsoft would be more than happy to get rid of physical media not only to entrap people into their ecosystem but also because their main competitor Sony owns the blu ray format, Microsoft have to pay licensing fees on every physical game sold which gives them all the more incentive to scrap it
@@Wunderhass Xbox BC isn’t even plug and play lmao you have to download the game from the storefront even if you own the disc. But anyway what does any of this have to do with blu ray? Because last time i checked Xbox 360 games were on dual layer DVDs
This is why I LOVE GoG. I just have a big hard drive with all the offline installers for my games.
Took way too long to get to a comment like this. "Physical" media is just digital media recorded on a disc. "Digital" media is just digital media recorded on a "hard disc". This argument is nothing. What we should really be asking for is the right to ownership of our file systems. Thank's GoG.
I started buying disc again after hearing Muta advocating for game disc, and also witnessing big stores that I never thought would shut down in the past few years.
I do have to make a case for people playing Consol games outside of US. When I was living in South Korea digital gaming was really the only way because shipping stuff internationally takes a lot of time and money. And sometimes if you buy too much you gotta pay import duty. But now that I’m back in the US, it makes very little difference. It just takes some readjustments mentally
I thnk being able to download the game on an external drive should be the solution.. aka.. Liek gog. You own the game.. its still to me considered psychical.. if you can play things off line.
M8, this drives me crazy too. In 2017, while serving in the Peace Corps in Indonesia, I bought a gaming laptop. I served in a rural village with no wifi and cellular service only on the roof. I downloaded some games from 2008-2012 (Mass Effect) while in the city, but found that I could not play them offline for the later games. ME1 was fine, but I would try starting ME2 and I needed internet to verify that I had the product key or whatever.
In 5 years we will own nothing but permission. Many f words.
Well theres a simple solution just don't buy new games there are so many already existing games for a life time anyways and a lot of modern releases are buggy messes.
This is why I pretty much only play PC these days. These consoles are proving themselves time and time again to be untrustworthy and consumer unfriendly. Yes PC is heavily digital as well and expensive, but I feel that with the freedom powers a PC gives you, preservation and the power to the consumer is much more attainable. It's worth it. You are incredibly limited on console at the behest of the corporation. I'm with you Muta. I never want to live in a world where physical media doesn't exist.
Not to mention if the companies fuck you over on PC we can just sail the seven seas.
@@mildgod5353pirating is deserved to games and companies that treat customers like crap and make bad products
And because of mods keeping games longevity way more than on console lol, switched from being a playstation fan boy to playing on pc now
@@mildgod5353: I fully do not condone, nor tolerate piracy of any kind! *wink* *wink* 😉
We as gamers need a central hub outside of what we have now. We need somewhere where we can display and enjoy the art of gaming to its fullest extent without any pressure on developers to produce simply for profit. I wish gamers, developers, producers and everyone else that feels like I do could create our own space where games are created through passion and love of the art instead of profit.
Do you have money for that? No? Tough shit.
@@alalalala57 you don't know if I do or I don't. I'll say I've been blessed, and I have compassion for everyone.
games has always been profit driven since the arcade days
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Impossible under capitalism, sorry.
Another few points related to a couple things you mentioned: Look at the size of save data for a lot of these releases. The Final Fantasy X HD save data is massive compared to the original for no good reason. All the others are like this too.
Another thing: the current gen of consoles no longer allow you to manually back up your save data. It's no longer an additional option for those that want to, you're now forced to use their clouds for save backup.
I’m pretty sure you can still back up save data to external drive on ps5- not sure about Xbox or switch though
@@somethingwitty309 I believe you can for any ps4 games you play on the ps5 but not any of the actual ps5 games for some reason. At least from what I remember. I haven't tried again or looked it up since shortly after launch.
Correction, sort of. You can do a FULL system backup and restore, but that's the only way.
@@sa_lowellyou would be correct. PS4 games have the option to upload/download save data, but PS5 games only have the option to “check sync status of save data” for whatever reason. Seems like such an unwanted and unnecessary change, but I’m sure they have some bs reason for why they did it.
I don’t own games, but I do own lot’s of movies on Blu-ray, and it’s great because I can not only just watch the movie, but I can watch bts footage, deleted footage, listen to the commentary track, etc. I guess you can see that online as well, but it’s nice to have.
Muta is describing the exact reason why ive been moving further and further away from video games as my main form of entertainment.
what you do ?
@Despicable_Gamerhow
Microsoft has been a problem for the games industry all the way back when they made paying for multiplayer a thing, this is nothing new, and they will keep being a thorn in the side of the industry for as long as they stay around.
I’ve been saying for over a decade that MS is a blight on gaming, people called me a troll.
It's sad to see just how much Microsoft, Bethesda, Sony, Unity, and so much more are about to go off the cliff, past the point of recovery. Here's hoping someone sane gets into an HR position in one or more of the companies.
Fully agree with you, and the same has happened bad with movies/shows lately too. People are getting sick of having things removed and censored on shows put on streaming. People are, slowly, understanding even at my workplace why physical is needed - so companies can't edit out history they don't like.
Know whats happened with that? More people say ARRGH MATEY and drop sub services.
I've been buying a lot of shows/movies lately due to this and backing them up myself. So I KNOW I'll have it, unmolested and the best quality possible.
Same with games.
When physical isn't an option NOR a digital copy (ala Steam or GOG) that allows you to download offline installers and pick what patch(s).. sales will tank and they will shift back. Digital, rental only won't last long at all. It only somewhat 'works' now cause people have the easy option for the most part, of getting a disc.. when that option is gone? Shit will hit the fan in some way. Whether thats people hacking/distributing or something else.
Feels like we're in a second golden age of piracy. Reminds me of the limewire days
Sadly so many people are willing to just go digital based on supposed conveinence of not having to get off their ass to change discs, but suffer the inconvenience of higher prices with no resale once you've finished the game or if it's a bad game.
Now that both consoles are looking to come out without disc drives but make them an add-on is a crime, it'll mean publishers will request less discs to be printed or not do physical copies whatsoever. A lot of people will wait for sales if there is no physical copy, as handing over 60-70 pounds/dollars for a digital code for a game is not the same as having a tangible asset in your hand.
I always enjoyed the thrill of going down to my local video games store and using my hard-earned cash to buy games physically.
As time went on however, I slowly switched to digital, not that I wanted to, it was due to the fact that:
1. My gaming laptop doesn’t have a rom drive
2. I found it difficult to purchase DLC for games I already have because of the fact I couldn’t buy it physically, hence the switch to steam
3. Some games I wanted, I couldn’t get physically (e.g. undertale, Trainz railroad simulator 2019, etc.) because of the lack of availability.
I’m very glad that I switched to pc from PS4 when I did, too, because I wasn’t willing to hand over my money to Sony.
I don't really give a shit, when I die I'll only take the memories, but I agree that there should be options for those that prefer disks
What's just as bad is that some games that can be played offline actually require the day 1 patch and won't launch without it.
We also have games like Halo which makes it pointless buying a physical copy such as MW2. That game had basically no data on the disc and you still needed to download around 70GB when it launched, so there were people like myself who were forced to buy it digitally instead. MW3 will likely be the same and any future games in the franchise too.
The one other thing I don't like is when we have a game that can literally be played solo the whole way through, like Outriders for example, but requires you to be connected to a server for whatever reason.
I generally agree with Mutahar and keeping physical media. I love physical media. That being said.... I also think this is incredibly interesting to see how the last hold outs of physical game media owners are thrashing for air while the unstoppable digital media wave overwhelms their lives and normalcy of gaming. It already happened to movies and music. Its fascinating to see the hold outs of gaming.
One major difference I see in gaming as opposed to movies and music is that physical media seems to be disappearing more and more in gaming, i.e. it's no longer an option in an increasing number of cases. While physical movies and music, DVDs, Blu-Rays, CDs and vinyl records are still around. Now, I'm not sure what percentage of movies and music albums are released physically, but I'm fairly sure it's most of them except for smaller productions. It looks like games are approaching an all-digital market much faster now that the ball is rolling compared to the other entertainment industries.
some of us actually want to be able to play a fucking game without internet needing to be required
straight up
my internet is shit
downloading games take way too fucking long
@@poke_dettaskill issue
If physical media ever becomes non-existent, it'll just spur a piracy renaissance, and maybe resurge scene groups. The biggest issue with digital, is it can be taken away from you at any time because you don't own it, a crack fixes that.
Ideally, though, we'd get a legislative body like the EU to remove the license bullshit and make it so you own the digital copy; period.
Get gud
Losing physicals just gives the companies a chance to take them away in the future.
You might love a lousy game thats hard to get, and if Microsoft takes it off the store or doesn't remaster it, you'll be stuck.
Its all presevation in my mind with physicals.
Microsoft also want to monopolize gaming...they already got Halo they don't need Call of Duty as well! Thank God Japan has laws that prevent them from buying Nintendo and Sega or they'd try to own them as well.
How I select a digital game if the list is super long:
- it is normally organized in alphabetical order, and if I play it enough times, i know exactly where to drag the scroll bar down to.
How I select a physical game if the list is too long:
- it is normally organized in alphabetical order, and if I play it enough times, I know exactly which page of the disc binder I should flip open.
See? Very different.
Disclaimer: I understand digital games can be stored in the cloud, so it can be accessed "anywhere" by just accessing your account, but back then AND today, showing a binder filled with discs is a freaking FLEX and needs no account (at least back then).
Find it funny with the switch physical releases as well. After Muta showed his copy of the final fantasy pixel remasters on a live stream i felt like playing the older FF games. I bought myself a copy from Amazon, and put it into my switch immediately. All the icons popped up for FF 1-6. Once i clicked on one i still had to download the actual game from online. Your telling me they couldn't put old FF games with prettier sprites on one cartridge lol.
Which is why tons of sail the sea. So you can just put them old roms on whatever you want
I also think you should be able to have physical copies of your installed games and be allowed to store them away on external drives. I can give you a bit more context about why some games are not fully on disks. The reason is simple the disks need to be produced months ahead of the actual release of the game so they can be printed and shiped to the stores. This is a timeframe of like 5 months where the developers can not work on the game. Now the companies could send those developers to work on the next games but if after the actual release problems arise then they need these developers back but they worked for a long time not on these project and would have a really hard time to fix stuff. So what companies nowadays do is to use these 5 months to buxfix and polish the game internaly. That is why you see these 40GB day one patches
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3:00 used to be 99 percent now it's probobly closer to 70 with stuff like cyberpunk popping up on release
I always buy physical 99.9% if the time. The only game I bought digital was the Grandia 1 & 2 Remake because the physical copy was selling for over 100 on Amazon and Ebay and the Digital version was 20.
I buy pysicial 40% of the time and 60% digital. I only buy digital when i get the game for free wish is free why wouldn’t i or when its on a in restible sale of less then 20 dollars XD. When it comes to full price games i get them pysical cause i like it better that way but then i can get a game 90-80-50% off then i just save more plus an added bonus of been less incobidian XD
I regularly find physical games cheaper than digital. Journey to the Savage Planet I got cheaper, despite it being new and sealed. As well as Nioh Collection. The brick and mortar stores have to move stock, so won't overprice stuff, but the digital storefronts can wait forever, and can sell everything for top dollar just because they can.
Its crazy how fast the physical games market is shrinking. We even started having AAA games without a physical copy.
In my country, majority of people already stopped buying original discs since 360 era cause they found 360 and Ps3 physical discs too expensive, right now you can guess it's way way worse. As someone who likes to collect the games that I loved playing , when I talk to them about the dangers of digital only future, for the most part they don't care.
Its weird how people loved game pass from the start and were forcing me to rent, but i despised that idea so much that i appreciate buying my own games weather theyre from digital or physical, cuz i hate subsription model
I've always been about physical media. As convenient as digital can be, having the disc is great. Tried my hand at emulation for the first time when Rockstar did the PS4/Switch re-release of RDR instead of a PC port, and I have been having so much fun emulating my binder of Xbox 360 games. I absolutely hate these all digital consoles. Even if you don't feel like playing games from the drive, you can at least use the thing to watch UHD Blu-Rays.
To play Wii U games on my Switch I had to buy them again.
To play PS4 games on my PS5 I had to buy them again.
To play the OG Xbox, 360 and XB1 games on my Series X I got free access and additional updates and improvements. For example, red dead 1 is best played on the series x due to Microsoft's work on it. I'd prefer it if Rockstar would do that themselves for all platforms but I still appreciate stuff like that regardless. They're no saints but they're certianly not the worst Imo.
Game preservation doesn't have to be physical discs neither. Besides emulation like you mentioned, my PCs external drive is stacked with games. Both are potential routes digital going can take if they're willing. Seeing as the majority choose digital, this is probably the only alternative available in truly securing a users ownership over a product.
I know exactly what you mean and 100% agree! I was so frustrated 7 months ago when i realized that i can’t play Minecraft anymore without internet connection!!! 😡
Xbox is not ruining the video game industry .....PEOPLE are ruining the video game industry ...namely the people in charge.... dont blame the weapon blame the people holding it....leave my beautiful little xbox alone.
One game I’m surprised you didn’t mention was Hi-Fi Rush. Great game that came out earlier this year. But no physical release for Xbox, purely digital.
And a point I want to add on the topic on movies and such. What I kinda find a bit funny is that a good chunk of them, include a code to own the movie digitally on Movies Anywhere free of charge.
This. Puts me in a shitty situation where I only want to buy a physical version, which doesn't exist, but I also want to support the devs
Bro, literally a couple weeks ago, I was trying my damnest to find Batman Arkham Origins in both Xbox and PS Store. I was going through my storage unit and found it randomly. I cannot tell you how happy I was!
Like I always buy digitally, but since that day, I now try to buy physical copies as much as possible. I have always believe that physical copies were better, I just liked the convenience of digital games. However, after that experience I went through, I cannot tell how much of a inconvenience it is when companies like Microsoft and Sony don't take game preservation serious enough.
On Xbox you need a physical disk because of licencing
MS deffo is devaluating gaming with Gamepass and thus giving devs little to no incentive to actually put out decent products or simply incentivise them to skip the service
I'm not a tech savvy person, but couldn't they have made a disc drive that was capable of reading game discs of this size or give us the option to decide if we wanted to run a disc of the hard drive or disc drive? 🤔 The Xbox 360 had that option way back in the day.
I understand but tbh I only prefer digital cause sometimes CDs could get fucked up and that’s gonna cause you to waste another $60-$70 on a game
Yeah I always hated having to be super delicate with the things because even a minor scratch could screw the thing up
Discs are a lot harder to scratch now
Seems like you need to be more careful with your CDs
blu rays dont scratch easily
I'm glad Muta Brings light to these topics, This isn't talked about enough, I miss when most people would actually own games as opposed to joining subscription services that changes all the time
Subscriptions gave access to games for millions of people that otherwise wouldn’t have another way to play it
Glad you brought this up. When Microsoft changed their t&c the other week that states you don’t own the software you rent the license I suspected you might.
Isn't this always the case though?
Nope. You actually own software you purchase, games too. Those ''licenses'' are actually copies that you own and you could re-sell those if you wanted. This has already been brought before multiple courts. Including the European court. So all those people rushing to defend these corporations saying ERM YOU DONT OWN ANYTHING YOU OWN A LICENSE! are wrong. You do own the games. Law is above a corporations TOS.@@voidmain7902
This is why I skipped the new Forza, it requires an online connection... to play offline single player.
I rarely get digital versions. If there is an insane offer on a digital version then I might, but I also grew up with physical games so I prefer having the discs.
That’s how I operate… I only buy digital on deals.
Wow here's an amazing idea , if other devs made their games DRM free like Balders Gate 3 , we would OWN THE FILES and play offline and don't need Steam to run... I know I know revolutionary